The Art of a Well-Placed ‘No’

Guests - Kait Klusewitz (she/her), Muralist/Artist | Caroline Lampinen (she/her), ArtistBringing art to business and business to art, hosts Michelle Bond and Joan Kanner dive into a vibrant discussion on "Proofing Stage" with two extraordinary creatives. Kait Klusewitz and Caroline Lampinen join the episode to unpack the powerful intersection of creativity and social impact. Celebrated for their engagement with community and social movements—particularly their support for the Black Lives Matter initiative—they share how they've transitioned from “W2” jobs to self-employment and roles that fuse passion and talent with purpose and personal well-being.The conversation spans the essential tactics for setting both personal and professional boundaries. From navigating client expectations to appropriately valuing their creative output, Kait and Caroline deliver actionable advice not just for artists but for any entrepreneur.For anyone drawn to entrepreneurship, art, or social advocacy, this episode is a treasure trove of insights on handling the hurdles of small business ownership while using one’s craft to foster community and advocate for change. Tune in to hear Michelle, Joan, and their guests explore the art of running businesses that do more than just succeed—they make a significant impact.Gems include:Sometimes the $$$ just isn’t worth itSetting boundaries for yourself, not just othersHaving an art soulmate is (okay) everythingBurnout can mean you’re not charging enoughDeveloping a signature artistic style takes timeThe power of leveraging your industry’s ecosystemResentment isn’t just a River in Egypt!LinksConnect with Kait Klusewitz:Kait K Designs, She/Her@kaitkdesignshttps://www.kaitkdesigns.com/Connect with Caroline Lampinen,Artist, Okay Everything, She/Her@okay_everythinghttps://okayeverything.com/More on working with Creatives: S1: EP9, Points for Creativity“The Capers Song” written and performed by Katie LongTheme music by Thorn HazeAdditional music: “Downfall” by AlisaBeats (via Pixabay)Podcast cover art by Lisa OryeExecutive Producers,  Joan Kanner and Michelle BondPodcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fmFind more at proofingstage.comFollow us on Instagram and Threads @proofingstageJoin Proofing Stage+ to support us supporting you, AND access new bonus content in-between episodes!See Buzzsprout's Privacy Policy for listener privacy and read our disclaimer here.