The Changing Face of Theological Education with Bob Hill and Philip Amerson

In this episode, Philip Amerson welcomes Bob Hill, Dean of Marsh Chapel at Boston University and professor at the School of Theology, for a thoughtful conversation about the evolving landscape of theological education, the unique depth of the Gospel of John, and the ongoing importance of parish ministry and pastoral leadership. Their friendly and insightful exchange brims with wisdom from decades in ministry and teaching, and offers encouragement for all who care about the future of church life and theological reflection.Three Key Takeaways from the Episode:1. Theological Education is Evolving, but its Foundations Remain VitalBob Hill and Philip Amerson reminisce about their long involvement in theological education, noting the ever-shifting context and the valuable constancy of scriptural engagement. Bob Hill shares that despite changes in student demographics and interests, there remains a “fascination for the scripture and with and in the scripture.” Faculty at Boston University, both longstanding and new, bring energy and global perspectives, ensuring that students continue to wrestle with pivotal texts and ideas. The episode highlights the importance of not just academic study but also spiritual and pastoral formation for future church leaders.2. The Gospel of John: Embracing Difference and DepthA portion of the conversation dives into the uniqueness of the Gospel of John. Bob Hill reveals that the one word he wants his students to remember is “different,” emphasizing the Gospel's mysterious and multi-layered nature. Both speakers reflect on the many “twists and turns” in Johannine literature and encourage new and seasoned readers alike to remain open to the Gospel’s depths, rather than simply seeking quick summaries or easy conclusions. This approach, they argue, mirrors the complexity and wonder at the heart of faith.3. Reclaiming the ‘Romance’ and Civic Power of Parish MinistryThe episode addresses changing attitudes toward parish ministry, as fewer students pursue traditional parish roles. Yet both Philip Amerson and Bob Hill make a compelling case for the privilege and beauty of local church leadership, describing it as an opportunity to “speak about what we don’t speak enough about in civil society.” They also highlight the role of clergy as “citizen advocates,” nurturing civil society and providing a grounding, hopeful voice in times of change and resistance. The conversation ends with an appreciation for poetry’s power to nourish the soul and sustain hope.To Be and Do continues to offer thoughtful dialogue for those engaged in ministry, theological study, and the life of the church. This episode is rich with practical wisdom, inspiration, and a spirit of honest, hopeful inquiry.