"To Be And Do" with Philip Amerson

Best of To Be and Do:In this captivating episode of "To Be and Do," host Philip Amerson welcomes Bishop Ken Carder to discuss his life journey and the influential themes within his recent work, "Shifting Margins: From Fear and Exclusion Toward Love and Belonging." This episode delves into the wisdom gained from Bishop Carder's experiences as both a pastor and a bishop, his profound understanding of institutional influence, and the deeply personal encounters that have shaped his theological perspectives.Ken Carder reflects on the theme of "shifting margins," a concept inspired by the work of John Swinton from Scotland's Saint Andrews. This idea, which suggests that Jesus shifts the margins to place the marginalized at the center, has guided Carder's personal and professional journey. From his upbringing in Southern Appalachia to his pastoral roles, Carder's life reflects a continuous broadening of understanding and inclusivity.Key takeaway points include:Shifting Margins and Expanding Horizons: Carder shares how his life's journey has been a constant evolution of shifting margins, moving from limitations of poverty and rigid beliefs to a more inclusive understanding of belonging and love. This growth is seen not just in personal relationships but in the broadening of theological perspectives, highlighting the ever-expanding nature of understanding God.Institutional Influence and Personal Responsibility: Carder candidly discusses the dual nature of institutions that shape us, noting that while they are necessary, they can also perpetuate societal sins like racism and privilege. He emphasizes the importance of not allowing institutions to bear the burden of our sins, thereby shirking personal responsibility.Moments of Conversion and Recognition: Throughout his narrative, Carder identifies pivotal life moments as conversions, times when his perspectives were realigned. One notable story is of learning the disparity in salaries with fellow pastor Tom Barrington, highlighting systemic racial inequities within the church and awakening Carder to his inherent privilege.Reconciliation through Second Corinthians 5: Carder discusses how the passage "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself" has been a guiding light in his ministry, reinforcing the call to live into reconciliation in a world marked by division.Symbolic Relics and Personal Heritage: The episode touches on the power of tangible objects, like Carder's grandfather's pocketknife, which serves as a reminder of the wisdom in simplicity and the value retained beyond functional capacities.As you listen to this heartfelt dialogue, you'll find inspiration in Carder's journey of recognizing and embracing change, weaving a narrative of personal growth towards a more inclusive understanding of humanity and God.Get the Book "Shifting Margins: From Fear and Exclusion Toward Love and Belonging"

Best of To Be and Do: In the latest episode of "To Be and Do," Phil Amerson takes a deep dive into the complex and contentious issue of Christian nationalism. Drawing from personal experiences, historical context, and the insights of various scholars, Phil offers a thoughtful examination of why Christian nationalism is gaining momentum in the United States and why it presents a challenge to both the Christian faith and the nation's values.Phil begins by addressing the rise of Christian nationalism in Indiana, where figures like Lt. Gov. Micah Beckwith publicly endorse the ideology. He identifies a growing movement that seeks to eliminate funding for diversity, equity, and inclusion based on the notion that this aligns with "what God intended for America."Phil highlights the works of authors like Andrew Whitehead and Tim Alberta, who provide valuable perspectives on Christian nationalism's roots. He explains that this ideology is not new, referencing historical debates in Britain and introducing the term "antidisestablishmentarianism" to explain the historical push for religious influence in government affairs.The narrative continues by challenging the misconception that America was founded as a solely Christian nation. Phil underscores the diversity in religious and cultural expressions at the nation's founding, illustrated by references to the first amendment's establishment clause.Evangelical scholar Kevin DeYoung's analysis is brought into focus, revealing that while there's an understandable hunger for Christian nationalism among some, it fails the "biblical smell test," lacking a true alignment with Christian teachings.Phil reflects on his own experiences, recalling sermons from the 1960s that warned against a Catholic America under JFK's presidency. He also recounts insights from African American evangelist Tom Skinner, who criticized the whitewashed representation of Jesus prevalent in American churches.Throughout the episode, Phil stresses the importance of confronting the fraudulent portrayal of Christ promoted by Christian nationalism, highlighting its underlying racism and antisemitism, as seen during events like the 2017 Charlottesville rally.The episode concludes with a powerful call to action, inspired by British Methodist preacher Donald English's notion of providing "free samples" rather than being mere salesmen of the gospel. Phil urges listeners to embody the true essence of Christianity, which is welcoming and inclusive, fostering a space where diverse voices are valued.Key Takeaways:Christian nationalism is gaining traction but conflicts with foundational US principles and Christian teachings.Historical contexts, like Britain's religious debates, offer insight into the recurring nature of these ideologies.The US Constitution's establishment clause historically supports religious diversity and freedom.Misinterpretations of America's religious foundations can lead to exclusionary and harmful ideologies.True Christianity should focus on inclusivity and embodying Christ’s teachings, not nationalism.

In this uplifting episode of the "To Be and Do" podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes renowned composer, performer, and all-around creative force Ken Medema for a conversation brimming with humor, heart, and musical insight. From the outset, it's clear that their friendship is built on decades of camaraderie and good-natured ribbing, instantly putting listeners at ease and drawing them into an authentic dialogue.The episode begins with Phil Amerson highlighting the many hats worn by Ken Medema—artist, composer, performer, and advocate for justice. Ken Medema describes his multifaceted work, from performing concerts in churches and fundraising for nonprofits, to nurturing a unique house church for Broadway entertainers who have felt alienated by traditional church environments. Through his Interlude foundation, Ken Medema not only brings music to diverse communities, but also creates spaces of belonging and support, especially for artists who often find themselves on the fringes.A touching centerpiece of this episode comes when Phil Amerson shares an experience involving a homeless woman on a cold Midwestern morning and the simple but profound offer of a cup of coffee from a stranger. Ken Medema, with his signature improvisational brilliance, turns this story into a heartfelt song, capturing the human longing to be seen and the transformative power of small acts of kindness.Throughout their conversation, Ken Medema and Phil Amerson reflect on the importance of community and interdependence, especially through music. They discuss the unique, holy moments shared by choir members breathing in unison before singing—a metaphor for working together towards something none could achieve alone. Ken Medema expresses his passion for choirs, both in church and the wider community, noting how these gatherings foster support and leadership beyond their musical contributions.Key Takeaways:Small Acts, Big Impact: Simple gestures—like offering coffee to someone in need—carry profound meaning and are opportunities for connection and compassion.Music as Community: Choirs and communal singing create deep bonds, offering not just harmony in music but also support and togetherness, especially important as church choirs wane and community choirs rise.Inclusive Spiritual Spaces:Ken Medema's work with the Interlude foundation shows the power of creating alternative spiritual communities where everyone, especially those who feel marginalized, can belong.The Power of Story and Song:Ken Medemademonstrates how stories, when set to music, can help us see one another more clearly and honor the sacredness in everyday encounters.Listeners are left inspired by the gentle wisdom and creative spirit that define both this episode and the enduring friendship at its core.

Best of To Be and Do:In this deeply engaging episode of "To Be And Do," hosted by Phil Amerson, listeners are invited into the life and reflections of Bud Herron. A storyteller with a rich background in media, Bud shares profound insights shaped by his experiences from his upbringing and college years at Indiana University. Growing up in Hope, Indiana, Bud paints a vivid picture of his middle-class family life, the socio-economic divides present in his childhood town, and the unexpected perspective he gained upon meeting Pat Patterson, a brilliant peer from a small town in Indiana.Pat, who lived in a repurposed train station and hailed from an exceptionally humble background, epitomized resilience and brilliance, majoring in Russian and economics at Indiana University despite dire financial constraints. The bond Bud formed with Pat was transformative, challenging his understanding of poverty and altruism. One poignant story that stands out involves Bud visiting Pat's home, experiencing firsthand the environment Pat was initially embarrassed to reveal. That visit, combined with Pat's views on altruism, left a mark on Bud's philosophy of giving and community engagement.Here are a few key takeaways from this episode:Understanding Poverty Through Personal Connections: Bud's friendship with Pat deepened his empathy and understanding of economic hardship beyond his own experiences. It illustrates the importance of genuine human connection in understanding different life circumstances.Altruism with Integrity: Pat Patterson’s belief that true altruism doesn't seek payment in the form of public acknowledgment or personal satisfaction challenges listeners to examine their motives in giving.Empathy in Redevelopment: Pat’s success as the redevelopment director for Bloomington's Pigeon Hill area was rooted in his deep empathy and personal relationships with residents, emphasizing the pivotal role of knowing and caring for the people served.The Ripple Effect of Support: The episode highlights the powerful ripple effect of support as seen in Pat’s efforts to help his brothers and mother improve their lives, creating a broader impact than initially visible.Community and Belonging: Through shared stories and support, Bud and Phil highlight that building genuine community connections fosters lasting change and personal growth.Join Phil Amerson and Bud Herron as they explore these life lessons, inviting listeners to reflect on the depth of their impact within their communities through personal connections and authentic giving.

Best of To Be and Do:In this deeply moving episode, Philip Amerson welcomes Tom Heaton for a candid and vulnerable conversation on grief, faith, and the abiding power of human connection. Tom Heaton, a pastor, blogger, and humanitarian, shares the tragic experiences of losing both of his sons, Jose and Manny, to acts of violence. The episode explores his responses not just as a father but also as a Christian and a pastor, and what these experiences have taught him about God, prayer, and being present for others during times of unspeakable pain. Listeners are guided into a discussion that goes well beyond personal sorrow and toward a broader conversation on theology, community, and finding hope when faced with life's harshest realities.Three Key Takeaways1. The Transformative Power of PresenceTom Heaton reflects on how, even in the deepest moments of grief, the presence and care of others—friends, colleagues, even unexpected individuals like Detective Trent Stinson—became tangible manifestations of God’s love and comfort (08:02). Rather than theological answers or empty reassurances, it was “God's warm embrace” through community that helped him hold on in his darkest hours.2. Redefining Prayer and God’s Role in SufferingTom Heaton shares an evolution in his understanding of God and prayer. He rejects the notion of a "puppet master" God who controls every event, emphasizing instead a God who is always present with us, who “cries with us” in pain (12:15). Prayer, for Tom Heaton, becomes less about asking for intervention and more about being present with the divine presence that remains steadfast through suffering and loss.3. The Importance of Honest and Compassionate TheologyBoth Philip Emerson and Tom Heaton critique "bad theology" that tries to offer quick or simplistic explanations for tragedy, such as suggesting God needed another angel or orchestrates loss for a reason (14:09). Instead, they advocate for a theology centered on compassion, honesty, and the recognition of human agency and freedom—even when it causes pain. Their discussion urges a faith that accompanies, not explains away, grief and brokenness.Resources and Further ReadingFind more of Tom Heaton’s reflections at his blog here.Recommended theologian: Marjorie Suhaki on God’s presence in suffering (15:18).To share your story or find support in grief, connect with us at the Belonging Exchange.Learn MoreTo support or learn about Mission Guatemala, visit missionguatemala.comWant more stories of connection and belonging? Check out past episodes on our blog.ABOUT TOM HEATONTom Heaton is a retired United Methodist pastor who served congregations across Indiana for nearly thirty years and later led mission and justice ministries for the Indiana Conference of the UMC.He is also the founder of Mission Guatemala, a nonprofit ministry serving rural communities in Guatemala through healthcare, education, nutrition, and community development. His years in Guatemala deeply shaped both his faith and the way he understands prayer, suffering, and the presence of God in ordinary life.Tom holds a Bachelor of Science in Communications from the University of Evansville and a Master of Divinity from Christian Theological Seminary. He writes and speaks about faith, prayer, grief, and everyday life with honesty, warmth, and a pastor’s heart.email: [email protected]

Best of To Be and Do:To Be and Do Podcast: Show NotesHost: Phil Amerson | Guest: Seana MurphyIn this deeply engaging episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes Seana Murphy, a proud parent, experienced professional, and lifelong learner, for a conversation full of wisdom, reflection, and encouragement. Phil, ever grateful to his many "teachers," counts Seana among them—though she reminds us that the lessons go both ways, especially when it comes to building community and finding abundance in unexpected places.Seana invites listeners to reconsider preconceived ideas about poverty and resilience, drawing from her own experiences growing up in a so-called “low wealth neighborhood.” While acknowledging that material poverty offers little romance in the day-to-day, she highlights the essential “invisible economies” that often exist in such communities—networks of support, food, stories, and skill-sharing that sustain neighbors even when outside institutions close their doors. Phil and Seana reminisce about local figures like Mister Danner, who hired kids and taught practical life skills, or community members who shared meals and gardens, emphasizing the wealth of gifts and talents already present if only we pause to look.Their conversation explores the challenges and unintended consequences of well-meaning but sometimes poorly executed interventions, such as school desegregation and external social programs. Seana raises critical questions around who defines what help is needed, and who is consulted in the process, urging an asset-based approach that recognizes and uplifts those existing sources of abundance.As the episode transitions to issues like healthcare and education, Seana shares practical ways abundance shows up—and can be tapped—in the everyday lives of families and communities. Whether it’s encouraging doctors to ask about their patients’ lives beyond medical charts or joining GirlTrek walking groups to overcome isolation, Seana’s stories offer practical wisdom for finding connection and healing.Top Takeaways:Abundance Exists All Around Us. Even in under-resourced neighborhoods, networks of support, knowledge, and skill abound. The key is learning to “strain your eyes” to see it.Ask Different Questions. Real connection begins when we ask about the whole person: their joys, their stories, and what makes them dance—not just statistics or symptoms.Resilience Is a Community Virtue. Seana’s story illustrates how resilience is forged through both challenge and support, and how demanding too much of it—especially from children—is an injustice.Health and Healing Are Community Matters. Trust and wellness aren’t built in institutions alone, but in relationships—among neighbors, caregivers, and longstanding community “healers.”Interdependence Is Strength. Echoing the podcast’s core, Seana and Phil remind us that belonging and mutual support are more powerful than any single hero’s journey.Tune in to be encouraged—and inspired to look again at the hidden abundance that surrounds us every day.

Best of To Be and Do:In this compelling episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes Tim Soerens, executive director of the Parish Collective, for an enriching conversation about what it means to be the church in the neighborhood and how that impacts both individual lives and communities. Listeners are taken on a journey that weaves together stories of playful evangelism, real-life examples of neighborhood flourishing, and the deeper meaning of church as a connective force in society.The episode opens with Amerson reflecting on Soerens’ writing in “The New Parish” and his more recent book, “Everywhere You Look.” Soerens explains the mission of the Parish Collective: to connect people who seek to be and become the church right where they live, emphasizing the importance of reorganizing church life around local relationships that actively pursue the well-being, or “shalom,” of their neighborhoods 01:09.Conversation Highlights & TakeawaysThe Power of Place-Based FaithSoerens discusses how focusing on the neighborhood allows the church to ask, “What is God doing here and now, with these people?” rather than simply striving for bigger services or attendance numbers 12:58. This localized approach shifts the conversation from competition among churches to collaboration for the flourishing of the community.Weak Ties and Neighborhood CohesionThe discussion delves into the social science of “weak ties” or “bridging relationships.” Speaker A and Soerens recount how simple, repeated encounters—like seeing a neighbor at the grocery store—can gradually foster connective tissue in a community 16:55. This relational glue is essential for lasting change.Leadership as Convening, Not ControllingThe role of leadership is reimagined as “convening” rather than commanding. Drawing on insights from Peter Block and John McKnight, Soerens highlights the radical impact of leaders who focus on connecting people, rather than simply leading them 24:46.The Unique Role of the Church in SocietySoerens argues the church, unlike any other institution, is uniquely positioned to serve as the connective tissue among different sectors—business, education, politics, and more—bringing neighbors together for the common good 14:50.Whether you’re a pastor, layperson, or someone who simply cares about the place you call home, this episode is full of ideas and stories to help you “be and do” in ways that can transform your own neighborhood, one connection at a time.

Best of To Be and Do:Show Notes: To Be and Do In this heartfelt episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson welcomes longtime friends and collaborators, Calvin Kimbrough and Nelia Kimbrough, for a reflective and inspiring conversation about a lifetime of ministry, community building, and joyful, radical hospitality. With decades of collective experience as educators, artists, activists, and spiritual leaders, the Kimbroughs share vibrant stories from their journeys in places like Nashville, Atlanta, and Evansville.Listeners are treated to personal narratives that reveal how childhood experiences—like Nelia Kimbrough’s memories of a “hole in the hedge” connecting separate communities, and Calvin Kimbrough’s time with his grandfather in a segregated Nashville—formed a foundation for their lifelong commitment to bridging divides. The couple recounts how formative relationships and transformative experiences led them to co-found Patchwork Central and later join the Open Door Community, always centering their work on proximity to the marginalized.Phil Amerson, himself a participant in this shared history, draws out reflections on legacy and the evolving work of Patchwork Central. The Kimbroughs express deep joy seeing a new generation, represented by Amy and John Rich, expand and reimagine the mission. The conversation highlights how vital it is to keep ministries open to renewal, always responding dynamically to changing needs.Takeaways from the Episode:Bridging Divides: Whether through literal holes in hedges or inclusive worship services, true community is built by finding—then widening—connections between different groups. For the Kimbroughs, lasting joy comes from these small but transformative acts of bridging.Legacy and Adaptation: The Kimbroughs’ pride in Patchwork Central’s evolution, particularly the new initiatives after their leadership, underscores the importance of building institutions that outlast individuals and adapt to the times.Power of “Weak Ties” or Bridging Relationships: Communities flourish when they foster not only strong personal bonds but also many “bridging” relationships—expanding circles that renew and diversify participation.Learning from Proximity: Being close to suffering and need, as described in experiences at Open Door, is challenging but essential to authentic service. This proximity not only transforms those who serve but honors the dignity of those served.Supporting Evolving Work: The Kimbroughs encourage listeners to support organizations like Patchwork Central, reminding us all that lasting community work relies on ongoing engagement and generosity.This episode is a beautiful testament to a life dedicated to weaving relationships and creating spaces of belonging—a must-listen for anyone interested in community, faith, and the art of making connections that endure.

In this "Because" episode of “To Be and Do,” the focus turns to a reflection on the difference between “shibboleth” and story—a conversation rooted in language, belonging, and the deeper meaning behind words. The episode opens with a reflection on the biblical term “shibboleth,” highlighting how, in the Book of Judges, it was used as a password to distinguish insiders from outsiders by the mere sound of a word. This serves as a springboard for considering how language can be used to divide or unite, particularly within the church and the broader society 00:02.The conversation focused on the way repeated catchphrases, or “shibboleths,” can become empty platitudes, especially when used without genuine understanding or connection. The discussion explored the sadness in hearing jargon and code words dominate dialogue within the nation and church settings, prompting the question: Do these words make any real difference 01:13?One concept discussed was the contrasting power of “story.” Through personal anecdote, the episode shares admiration for great storytellers who weave together the narrative of scripture and everyday life. The example of a friend, a Lutheran pastor known for his storytelling, illustrates how stories make teachings come alive and resonate on a deeper, more personal level 02:05. Story, as described, asks listeners to inhabit another narrative, to see life from a different angle—mirroring how Jesus himself taught in parables, offering lessons that sit alongside real life and prompt reflection 02:42.A key theme that emerged was the longing for meaningful narrative in places of worship, rather than repetitive code words. The episode invites listeners to seek the “deeper, more profound” encouragement that comes from narrative rather than from knowing and repeating the right insider language 03:15.Several points were raised, including the suggestion to read scripture for its stories and align those narratives with personal experience. The conversation closed with a prayerful hope that listeners not settle for surface-level code words but instead know and share the deeper stories about inclusive love, care, and hope for the world 03:53.Takeaway Points“Shibboleth” illustrates how language can serve as a barrier or a gateway to belonging.Empty repetition of code words and platitudes can diminish meaningful connection in communities.Storytelling holds transformative power, inviting empathy and deeper understanding.Scripture and daily life gain depth when explored through narrative rather than rote phrases.True spiritual community begins with engaging the deeper stories of love and care, not just reciting accepted language.

Best of "To Be and Do":Show Notes: To Be and Do Podcast In this eye-opening episode of the To Be and Do podcast, Philip Amerson sit down with attorney Christie Popp, a founding partner at Popp and Bullman Law Offices, to demystify the realities of immigration law and its intersection with current U.S. judicial practices. Christie Popp offers a candid, accessible overview of how immigration enforcement really works and the everyday injustices faced by immigrants—especially in Indiana and the broader United States. Whether you’re new to these topics or seeking a deeper understanding, this conversation sheds light on critical, often-misunderstood issues within our legal system.Three Major Takeaways1. The True Nature of ICE and Immigration EnforcementChristie Popp breaks down the role of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), clarifying that—contrary to common public perception—most immigration violations are civil, not criminal offenses. ICE operates differently from standard law enforcement: they don’t require a judge’s warrant to detain someone suspected of an immigration violation. Instead, a supervising ICE official alone can authorize an arrest, a stark departure from the checks and balances traditional police must follow. This gray area results in practices that skirt constitutional protections and often target individuals based on ethnicity or language.2. The Problem with Immigration Holds and Local EnforcementThe conversation delves into how local jails interact with ICE through what are called “immigration holds.” Christie Popp underscores that ICE can request local jails to detain individuals—who have already been cleared for release—for up to 48 hours purely on suspicion of a civil immigration violation. This practice leads to unconstitutional detention for civil (not criminal) reasons, trapping many non-violent individuals, often arrested for minor infractions like driving without a license, in a complicated legal web. The system is deeply flawed, as it penalizes people on civil grounds and disproportionately affects Latino communities.3. Economic Hardships Within the Detention SystemBeyond legal injustices, Christie Popp highlights the pervasive economic burdens placed on detained individuals. Many face exorbitant fees for basic necessities—such as phone calls or commissary items—in jail, and those in immigration detention centers often perform mandatory labor despite having committed no crime. These policies not only capitalize on vulnerable populations but also underscore how the criminal and immigration systems have become increasingly punitive, even toward those who are simply seeking a better life.Key Quote:“ICE is really supposed to be a civil enforcement agency; they don’t get warrants from the court... The only person who is signing off on the arrest is a supervising official within the agency.” — Christie PoppFurther Resources:Check the episode’s website for additional materials and YouTube links referenced by Philip Amerson and Christie Popp.Don’t miss this essential listen if you want to better understand the complexities of immigration law and the often-unseen obstacles faced by immigrants in America today.https://poppbullman.com/christie-popp/contact-christie/

Episode OverviewThe conversation focused on the concept of welcoming strangers and the deeper societal and spiritual meanings behind how new people are received into communities. Using examples from both Midwest traditions and biblical scripture, the discussion explored the enduring power of hospitality, neighborliness, and the ethical responsibilities we have toward those considered “strangers.”Three Key Takeaways1. The Subtle Power of Language in Building CommunityOne concept discussed was the significance of greetings and their implications in forming communities. The distinction between being greeted as "neighbor" or as "stranger" was highlighted as a subtle but critical social signal. This seemingly simple choice of words determines more than just a welcome—it can influence whether someone feels they belong or remain on the outside 00:12, 00:18. The conversation noted traditions in the Midwest, where these forms of address act as cues for assessing a community's openness and inclusivity.2. Scriptural Foundations for Hospitality and JusticeA key theme that emerged was the moral directive found in ancient scripture regarding how to treat newcomers and the vulnerable. Referencing Exodus 22, the discussion emphasized a call not to wrong or oppress a “resident alien,” drawing parallels to current issues of migration and detention 02:21, 02:27. The laws of restitution in these texts go beyond ritual—they are powerful reminders that compassion and justice for strangers are foundational values, instructing listeners not to exploit the vulnerability of newcomers but to extend generosity and protection.3. The Lasting Impact of Stories Over RulesSeveral points were raised, including the idea that stories hold greater transformative power than mere rules 03:30, 03:38. The discussion explored the notion that while rules can become rigid and even corrupt, it is stories—and the myths, poems, and lived experiences they communicate—that shape cultures for the better and endure through generations. Through stories, lessons of kindness, mercy, and shared humanity gain emotional resonance, reminding us that any of us can find ourselves as the “resident alien,” hoping for a warm welcome.Final ReflectionThe conversation closed by invoking a universal blessing, underscoring that at any moment, each of us could be the newcomer, and the way we welcome others shapes not just communities, but the broader legacy of humanity 04:06, 04:12.

Episode SummaryThe conversation focused on the meaning of interdependence versus independence, reflecting on what it means to be part of a larger community. Marking a pause after nearly 100 episodes, the discussion explored themes of transition, farewell, and ongoing connection, drawing inspiration from personal anecdotes and the work of Frederick Buechner. Listeners are invited to consider the significance behind the word "goodbye" and to recognize the depth of everyday partings, whether with friends, family, or the broader community.Three Takeaways1. The Deep Meaning of GoodbyeOne concept discussed was the origin and significance of the word "goodbye," which stems from the phrase "God be with you." The discussion explored how this traditional phrase encapsulates an ongoing connection rather than a permanent parting, reminding listeners that farewells often carry deep spiritual and emotional weight. The story of Frederick Buechner’s reflection on goodbyes, including vignettes of ordinary partings—a mother sending her child to school, friends leaving at an airport, or elderly companions sharing a final handshake—illustrated how goodbyes are woven into the fabric of daily life and community 04:00.2. The Importance of Honoring TransitionsA key theme that emerged was the importance of honoring both large and small transitions in life. The episode offered personal anecdotes, such as a final goodbye with a dying friend, as moments to pause, offer gratitude, and extend blessing 06:03. These rituals, whether at a hospital bedside or the threshold of a new journey, are opportunities to express love, appreciate shared stories, and recognize the impermanence and beauty of each encounter.3. Interdependence and Continuing CommunitySeveral points were raised, including the show’s foundational focus on belonging and interdependence. The discussion encouraged listeners to reflect on their role within larger communities and to value the connections that sustain them. Even as the podcast enters a summer pause—with the possibility of encore presentations and a future return—the message remained clear: community endures beyond regular gatherings or planned conversations 00:06. Listeners are encouraged to embody the spirit of "God be with you" in all their own transitions, making each goodbye an affirmation of continued connection and care 06:51.This episode serves as a gentle meditation on farewells, gratitude, and the threads of togetherness that continue to bind people even in moments of parting.

This episode brings listeners a reflective monologue on the state of community, responsibility, and social judgment through the lens of everyday moments observed in a city neighborhood. The conversation focused on the issue of trash and debris in public and private spaces, using these scenes as a springboard to explore broader societal concerns about empathy, wealth distribution, and how different groups are perceived and treated.The narrative opens with an evocative account of witnessing a woman, barefoot and wrapped in a blanket, searching through trash cans in a city park early in the morning. This real-life moment raises immediate questions about homelessness, poverty, and how acts of survival can inadvertently contribute to visible disorder. The discussion explored how such situations are often met with annoyance or frustration, especially from those living in more comfortable circumstances, yet rarely with the empathy these individuals deserve 00:32.A key theme that emerged was the double standard society holds when it comes to assessing who creates mess and who deserves forgiveness. Several points were raised, including the observation that local students frequently litter their housing areas—sometimes to a shocking degree, with hundreds of beer cans scattered across a yard—yet this behavior is downplayed or excused as a harmless consequence of youth. In contrast, when people experiencing homelessness are involved, the mess is often framed as a reflection of deeper moral or character flaws 01:50.One concept discussed was the idea of "private affluence and public squalor," a phrase drawn from John Kenneth Galbraith's book The Affluent Society. This concept encapsulates the troubling contrast between personal prosperity and collective neglect—a dynamic that the speaker argues has marked American life for decades. The conversation invites listeners to reflect on why certain problems (like high infant mortality rates or the lack of social support) persist amid national wealth, and who society chooses to blame or forgive 02:46.Ultimately, the episode urges a shift in perspective. Instead of directing frustration solely at visible disorder, it calls for an embrace of collective responsibility and compassion, rooted in genuine charity rather than superficial judgment. The speaker contemplates the next steps—not just picking up literal trash, but also challenging the "trashy" ideas and theology that divide communities and excuse systemic inequality 03:31.Key Takeaways:Everyday encounters with public disorder can serve as catalysts for deeper reflection on empathy and social structure.There is a significant double standard in how society judges the actions of different groups, often rooted in long-standing prejudices.The concept of "private affluence and public squalor" remains relevant, urging a national conversation about shared responsibility.Genuine Christian charity, or simple human kindness, offers a path forward in addressing both material and ideological "trash."Change begins with small acts of compassion and the willingness to question prevailing assumptions about blame and worth.

Episode SummaryIn this deeply moving episode, Philip Amerson welcomes Tom Heaton for a candid and vulnerable conversation on grief, faith, and the abiding power of human connection. Tom Heaton, a pastor, blogger, and humanitarian, shares the tragic experiences of losing both of his sons, Jose and Manny, to acts of violence. The episode explores his responses not just as a father but also as a Christian and a pastor, and what these experiences have taught him about God, prayer, and being present for others during times of unspeakable pain. Listeners are guided into a discussion that goes well beyond personal sorrow and toward a broader conversation on theology, community, and finding hope when faced with life's harshest realities.Three Key Takeaways1. The Transformative Power of PresenceTom Heaton reflects on how, even in the deepest moments of grief, the presence and care of others—friends, colleagues, even unexpected individuals like Detective Trent Stinson—became tangible manifestations of God’s love and comfort (08:02). Rather than theological answers or empty reassurances, it was “God's warm embrace” through community that helped him hold on in his darkest hours.2. Redefining Prayer and God’s Role in SufferingTom Heaton shares an evolution in his understanding of God and prayer. He rejects the notion of a "puppet master" God who controls every event, emphasizing instead a God who is always present with us, who “cries with us” in pain (12:15). Prayer, for Tom Heaton, becomes less about asking for intervention and more about being present with the divine presence that remains steadfast through suffering and loss.3. The Importance of Honest and Compassionate TheologyBoth Philip Emerson and Tom Heaton critique "bad theology" that tries to offer quick or simplistic explanations for tragedy, such as suggesting God needed another angel or orchestrates loss for a reason (14:09). Instead, they advocate for a theology centered on compassion, honesty, and the recognition of human agency and freedom—even when it causes pain. Their discussion urges a faith that accompanies, not explains away, grief and brokenness.Resources and Further ReadingFind more of Tom Heaton’s reflections at his blog here.Recommended theologian: Marjorie Suhaki on God’s presence in suffering (15:18).To share your story or find support in grief, connect with us at the Belonging Exchange.Learn MoreTo support or learn about Mission Guatemala, visit missionguatemala.comWant more stories of connection and belonging? Check out past episodes on our blog.ABOUT TOM HEATONTom Heaton is a retired United Methodist pastor who served congregations across Indiana for nearly thirty years and later led mission and justice ministries for the Indiana Conference of the UMC.He is also the founder of Mission Guatemala, a nonprofit ministry serving rural communities in Guatemala through healthcare, education, nutrition, and community development. His years in Guatemala deeply shaped both his faith and the way he understands prayer, suffering, and the presence of God in ordinary life.Tom holds a Bachelor of Science in Communications from the University of Evansville and a Master of Divinity from Christian Theological Seminary. He writes and speaks about faith, prayer, grief, and everyday life with honesty, warmth, and a pastor’s heart.email: [email protected]

Episode OverviewThe conversation focused on reflecting upon recent calls by Indiana's governor and lieutenant governor to emphasize the biblical mandate behind the so-called "nuclear family" during the month of June. The discussion challenged the narrow interpretation of family promoted by political and religious leaders, highlighting the broader, more inclusive portrayal of family found in scripture and lived experience. Personal anecdotes, biblical references, and a powerful story about a professor’s encounter with Native American family life were used to question exclusionary definitions and urge listeners to reconsider what it means to be “God’s family.”Three Takeaways1. Questioning the “Biblical Mandate” for the Nuclear FamilyA key theme that emerged was the critique of official attempts to define family strictly as one man, one woman, and children. The discussion explored how this interpretation is not only limiting but also inconsistent with the biblical record itself. Several points were raised, including references to Abraham and Sarah, Moses, and even Jesus, none of whom fit neatly into the so-called traditional nuclear family model 00:59–01:14. The conversation underscored the selective reading of scripture used to justify these narrow definitions and highlighted the exclusion of orphans and widows from such narratives.2. Learning from Broader Family TraditionsOne concept discussed was the experience of a Christian professor who, tasked with teaching about family in the Midwest, encountered Native American forms of family that differed radically from the stereotypical nuclear setup. Rather than insisting on his own definitions, the professor was humble enough to learn from these families, realizing that kinship and support go far beyond traditional images 02:11–02:56. This anecdote illustrated the value of cultural humility and openness to learning about real family dynamics as they are lived by different communities.3. Expanding Faith Communities’ Definition of FamilyThe discussion explored how many churches proclaim themselves as “family churches,” yet often fail in practice to fully welcome single mothers, orphans, or widows 03:31. A call to action was issued for listeners and faith communities to rethink belonging and kinship within the “Kingdom of God,” encouraging greater inclusivity and empathy. The segment urged that being part of God’s family means embracing everyone, not just those who fit a prescribed mold.Final ReflectionListeners are encouraged to move beyond received notions about who constitutes a family and to embrace diverse, inclusive forms of kinship, learning from both scripture and the lived experiences of others 03:54.

Episode OverviewIn this episode, Phil Amerson sits down with Tom Heaton, founder of Mission Guatemala and longtime leader in missions and justice ministries in Indiana and beyond. Together, they explore Tom Heaton journey from local church challenges to creating a nonprofit making a tangible difference in rural Guatemala. The conversation touches on the organization’s origins, ongoing projects, guiding principles, and the power of genuine partnership.Three Key Takeaways1. Turning Frustration into ActionTom Heaton described how Mission Guatemala was born out of frustration with misplaced priorities in the local church—including a moment when complaints about scuff marks on a floor sharply contrasted with the realities he’d seen abroad, such as children without shoes. This perspective shift led Tom Heaton to embrace responsibility and move from “someone should do something” to actively being that someone. His experiences adopting children from Guatemala and witnessing need firsthand drove him to launch Mission Guatemala 05:31.2. The Power of Partnerships and Community-Led SolutionsA recurring theme is that meaningful aid comes from partnership, not paternalism. Tom Heaton emphasized that Mission Guatemala does not impose solutions but listens to local communities and works alongside them. Projects, whether a medical clinic, computer classroom, or sanitation facilities, succeed because locals contribute “sweat equity.” This approach ensures both effectiveness and community pride, as seen in a story where parents, having helped dig a septic hole, took extra ownership in school bathroom maintenance 14:19.3. Holistic Impact: Healthcare, Education, and NutritionMission Guatemala’s work focuses on three priorities: health, education, and nutrition. Services range from a respectful medical clinic and pharmacy to running computer classes for middle schoolers (filling a governmental gap) and partnering with groups such as the Matteal Institute to provide high-nutrition food for infants and young children. The goal is sustainability and long-term change through local engagement, collaboration, and addressing real needs identified by Guatemalans 08:04 10:12.Learn MoreTo support or learn about Mission Guatemala, visit missionguatemala.comWant more stories of connection and belonging? Check out past episodes on our blog.ABOUT TOM HEATONTom Heaton is a retired United Methodist pastor who served congregations across Indiana for nearly thirty years and later led mission and justice ministries for the Indiana Conference of the UMC.He is also the founder of Mission Guatemala, a nonprofit ministry serving rural communities in Guatemala through healthcare, education, nutrition, and community development. His years in Guatemala deeply shaped both his faith and the way he understands prayer, suffering, and the presence of God in ordinary life.Tom holds a Bachelor of Science in Communications from the University of Evansville and a Master of Divinity from Christian Theological Seminary. He writes and speaks about faith, prayer, grief, and everyday life with honesty, warmth, and a pastor’s heart.email: [email protected]

"Because of Scriptures"Episode SummaryIn this reflective episode, Speaker A (Phil Emerson) invites listeners to reconsider how they approach scriptures—not as a rigid rule book or quick-fix spiritual guide, but as a diverse library meant to be wrestled with thoughtfully. Sharing both personal insights and common misinterpretations, Speaker A encourages daily reading and deeper engagement, using the Gospel of John as a starting point. The episode offers wisdom on how context and careful reading can transform our understanding, especially as it relates to faith and everyday life.Three Takeaways1. Scriptures Are a Diverse Library, Not a RulebookSpeaker A explains at 00:33 that scriptures were never meant to be used as a legalistic checklist or a collection of instant remedies. Instead, they are a rich library, containing poetry, history, songs, sermons, prophecy, and even apocalyptic literature filled with symbols. This diversity, according to Speaker A, demands that readers recognize the variety of genres if they are to truly understand what is being communicated.2. Context Matters—Beware of Misusing ScriptureThe episode offers vivid examples of scriptures being misinterpreted, such as the idea that "turning the other cheek" is about retribution rather than forgiveness and restraint (01:29). Another common misreading is the phrase "the rain falls on the just and unjust." Speaker A clarifies at 02:34 that, in its original context, rain in the Middle East was seen as a blessing, not a hardship—thus the saying actually expresses the overflowing generosity of good things to all, not indifferent misfortune.3. Engagement and Reflection Are EssentialSpeaker A encourages listeners at 03:00 to read the scriptures regularly—suggesting even just a chapter a day—and to struggle with the text rather than seek instant answers. Citing the story of Jesus turning water into wine from the second chapter of John, Speaker A lets listeners know that the text continues to offer deep lessons about faith if one is willing to engage thoughtfully. The key is not speed, but reflection and openness.Episode ChallengeCheck out the second chapter of the Gospel of John. Sit with the text, reflect on its meaning, and prepare to revisit these insights in a future episode.

Episode OverviewIn this reflective episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson confronts the current moral and civic climate of America, with a focus on the shifting purpose of higher education, the role of public service, and the increasing divides in political and community life. Using recent political candidates and legislative trends as a springboard, the conversation explores what it means to foster both individual and collective character the episode highlights the urgent need for renewed civic engagement and moral consideration in public life.Three Key Takeaways1. The Changing Role of Higher EducationPhil Amerson critiques a recent Indiana Senate bill requiring public colleges to terminate programs leading to “low income earnings,” pointing out the growing trend of tying education solely to economic outcomes. He observes that this represents “a hunger in our society for something different than we've been experiencing recently” as education’s traditional focus on moral and civic development gives way to purely financial concerns 01:23. According to Speaker B, measuring education only by earning potential strips away essential elements of personal and civic growth.2. The Erosion of Civic and Moral FormationThe episode warns of the dangers when economic concerns trump moral and ethical development. Speaker B laments the loss of educational experiences designed to foster character and community involvement, noting, “What does it profit a school... to gain the whole world and lose the soul of moral development?” 03:13. The host ties this erosion directly to broader concerns, from college culture focused on “bar crawls” to legislative choices, that prioritize profit or immediate gratification over deeper, long-term well-being and societal contribution 03:44.3. A Call for Genuine Moral LeadershipReflecting on political candidates James Talarico and Adam Hamilton, Phil Amerson stresses the importance of leaders who champion civic pride and moral fiber. Citing the biblical principle of Matthew 25, he asks listeners to consider how we treat "the poor, the immigrant, and the stranger" 05:54, insisting that public service should prioritize compassion, justice, and integrity. Phil Amerson closes with a plea for leaders—not just politicians but also artists, teachers, and community members—who are willing to dream big and work selflessly for the greater good 07:14.Listen & SubscribeCatch this and all episodes of To Be and Do on your favorite podcast platform. Stay engaged and keep the conversation about moral and civic renewal alive!

Episode SummaryIn this reflective "Because" episode, Phil Amerson shares insights on faith, the evolving role of religious institutions, and how communities can rediscover a deeper sense of purpose by looking beyond organizational boundaries. Drawing from an encounter with theologian Willie James Jennings, Phil Amerson encourages listeners to notice the abundance of "unused gospel" and the opportunities for divine-human connection present all around, not just within the walls of institutional churches.Three Key Takeaways1. Faith Outlasts InstitutionsPhil Amerson points out that religious institutions are inherently fragile and not the sole stewards of faith. Over 2,000 years, Christianity has flourished and adapted, often moving beyond the confines of any single institution. The reminder here is that while institutions may struggle, the enduring nature of faith continues wherever people gather in its spirit—even outside the structures we often feel compelled to defend 00:13, 00:36.2. Viewing from the Outside InReflecting on the words of Willie James Jennings, Phil Amerson suggests that revitalization comes when institutions choose to see themselves not only from the inside but also from the "outside in." By asking what God is already doing in the world around the institution, members discovered "the newness of God's mercy" and fresh opportunities to serve and grow their communities. This shift in perspective allowed them to connect more deeply with their surroundings, going beyond anxiety about their own survival 01:01, 01:11.3. Embracing the "Unused Gospel" in Daily LifeA powerful idea from the episode is the notion of "unused gospel"—the untapped potential for divine encounter that exists all around us. Phil Amerson encourages listeners to listen for the "music of faith" beyond traditional settings and to engage actively with their broader communities. By reaching out, wishing others well, and recognizing God’s work beyond organizational rituals, individuals can rediscover the essentials of faith in everyday relationships 01:47, 02:07.Final ThoughtPhil Amerson closes with a call to action: “Go out and meet someone today, wish them well, and learn that God is at work beyond our small stories and rituals.” This episode invites all to embrace a broader, more vibrant sense of spiritual community.

To Be and Do PodcastEpisode OverviewIn this episode, Phil Amerson reflects on new research from the Hartford Institute for Religion Research regarding recent trends in American religious life. The episode explores the nuanced realities behind church attendance numbers, the influence and limitations of megachurch culture, and the often-overlooked power of small congregational acts. Amerson recounts personal experiences from pastoral work, sharing stories that reveal how renewal happens not just through numbers, but in the everyday acts of community, faith, and grace. The episode ends with a moving meditation on the concept of grace, drawing from the writings of Frederick Buechner.Three Key Takeaways1. Religious Involvement is Experiencing Modest Growth—But Not a Traditional RevivalRecent research from the Hartford Institute for Religion Research indicates a shift in religious engagement after decades of decline. Where average church attendance had dropped dramatically—from 135 in 2000 to just 45 during the COVID pandemic—it is now climbing back above 65 (01:19). Though some claim these numbers mark a religious revival, Amerson emphasizes a more nuanced picture: the increase is real, but modest and often concentrated in certain areas, especially within megachurches.2. Megachurches Aren’t the Only Places Where Renewal HappensWhile researchers like Scott Tooma and high-profile pastors like Adam Hamilton focus on megachurch growth as the vector for the future of American religion, Speaker A challenges this perspective. The episode argues that small, local congregations—both urban and rural—play a crucial role in community life and spiritual vitality (04:49). These smaller communities offer meaning, belonging, and empowerment in ways that aren’t always reflected in attendance statistics.3. Grace and Renewal Are Found in Small Acts and RelationshipsDrawing on personal experiences at Broadway United Methodist Church, Amerson recounts stories of individuals whose quiet faith and generosity became the backbone of vibrant congregational life (07:20). By highlighting the unseen power centers within small gatherings—such as a handful of women meeting for healing and Bible study—the episode illustrates that genuine renewal is about joy, restoration, and the rediscovery of shared purpose, not just numerical growth. The episode’s closing passages center on the profound and unearned nature of grace (12:21), encouraging listeners to recognize and accept the abundance already present in their lives.Listen and subscribe for thoughtful discussions on meaning, purpose, and the everyday ways we shape our shared life.

In this reflective and thought-provoking "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson guides listeners through a contemplation of faith, community, and the essential distinction between form and substance in religious life. Opening with Sam's evocative lines about coffee and time, the mood is set for a discussion grounded in both the everyday and the transcendent. Phil Amerson, discusses the often-overlooked difference between focusing on religious structures—like congregations or denominations—and the deeper “music” these institutions are intended to embody. Rather than becoming preoccupied with perfecting the earthly instruments, Speaker B encourages listeners to rediscover the spiritual essence pulsating beneath the surface of ritual and organization.A central theme is the tendency of faith communities to search for a “perfect formula”—a guarantees path to success or holiness. Speaker B references Geraldo Marti’s insight, suggesting that continually striving for perfection in form can lead to missing the true purpose: tuning in to the spiritual “music” that both inspires and sustains faith. Anecdotes of denominational meetings, where participants are asked to share prescribed “glory sightings,” serve to illustrate how even sincere efforts can sometimes fall short—feeling contrived or artificially limited in their scope. Instead, Speaker B proposes a more abundant, everyday recognition of the divine, echoing Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s lines: “Earth’s crammed with heaven, and every common bush afire with God. But only he who sees takes off his shoes—the rest sit round and pluck blackberries.”The episode closes with Sam's warm, melodic refrain, returning us to the world of daily ritual—a cup of love, laughter, and connection, signifying the perpetual opportunity to encounter the sacred in our ordinary routines.Key TakeawaysPrioritize Essence Over Form: Speaker B emphasizes the importance of valuing the spiritual “music” over merely perfecting the religious “instrument” 00:17.Beware of Formulaic Faith: The search for perfect formulas can distract from encountering genuine spirituality and the living presence of the divine 00:35.Recognize Divine Abundance: Limiting glory to rare, contrived moments diminishes the awareness that every moment and encounter is charged with the sacred 01:19.Practice Everyday Awareness: Through poetic reference and personal experience, Amerson invites listeners to cultivate a daily attentiveness—to see, listen, and respond to the constant presence of grace all around 02:11.This episode invites all to stop “plucking blackberries” and instead, to look for the glory ever-present in the mundane, rediscovering faith not as an instrument to fix, but as a song to live.

In this inspiring episode of the To Be and Do podcast, Phil Amerson welcomes the multifaceted and ever-energetic Brad Miller, a retired United Methodist clergy whose dedication to ministry and media has only expanded in retirement. Miller shares insights from his years of creativity in service, his pivot into podcasting, and his commitment to “meaningful media”—producing positive, transformative content that touches listeners' lives.Here are three key takeaways from today’s conversation:1. Retirement Isn’t the End—It’s a New BeginningMiller illustrates that retirement from formal ministry can be a launching point rather than a stopping place. While no longer leading a congregation week-to-week, he actively seeks new ways to serve and create. From starting podcasts rooted in real-life experience to engaging communities through innovative projects, Speaker B is a testament to lifelong vocation and the value of adapting one’s calling to new seasons of life (02:40, 11:17).2. Healing Through Humor and FaithAfter a personal cancer diagnosis, Miller was motivated to start "Cancer and Comedy," a unique podcast blending therapeutic humor with faith-based reflection. He describes how laughter and a “cheerful heart” (inspired by Proverbs 17:22) can bring healing, hope, and perspective during the darkest moments. The podcast features candid conversations with survivors, doctors, comedians, and experts, always concluding with a devotional segment that infuses faith into the journey of coping with adversity (04:03, 05:08, 05:39).3. Transformation Thrives on Innovation and RiskThroughout his ministry—and now in media—Miller has leaned into innovation. From Christian rock bands and worship in movie theaters to digital daily devotionals ("The Daily Bible Refresh") and a beloved Santa-themed podcast, his philosophy is simple: “New people are attracted to new things.” He urges leaders to courageously experiment and create space for transformation, even if some ideas don’t always succeed. For Miller, the drive is always about life-change and helping people flourish through fresh, relevant approaches (13:16, 14:02, 14:19).Links Mentioned:Cancer and ComedyDaily Bible Refresh / Voice of God Daily

In this reflective "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson explores the evolving nature of parish life, the power of faith expressed beyond institutional boundaries, and the temptation to focus on perfecting forms rather than embracing the messy, vibrant reality of faith in action. Through vivid storytelling and thoughtful analogy, the episode invites listeners to reconsider how they recognize and respond to the spiritual rhythms that pulse through ordinary and extraordinary moments alike.Three Key Takeaways1. Parishes Transcend Geography and TimeTraditionally, parishes were bound by geographic markers—literal boundaries walked and declared as a community's responsibility. Amerson notes at 00:15 and 00:40 that these bounds have become far more flexible over time. The modern reality is that “parishes” may form around shared experiences, relationships, or causes, transcending physical space—sometimes lasting decades, sometimes meeting virtually. This shift encourages communities of faith to see their reach, purpose, and responsibility in much broader terms than just a defined patch of land.2. The Music of Faith is More Than Its InstrumentsA recurring metaphor in the episode is the distinction between the “music” of faith and the “instrument” of the church or institution (01:02, 03:39). Speaker A reminds us that the vibrancy of faith cannot be contained or defined solely by our organizational structures. He recounts the spontaneous singing and solidarity displayed on the streets of Minneapolis in 2026 following tragic events (01:19). These outpourings of faith and hope transcended institutional and denominational lines, reminding listeners that the true witness of faith is often found when the community moves beyond scripted rituals and engages with the world’s joys and sorrows.3. Heaven is “Crammed” into Ordinary Life—If Only We NoticeDrawing on Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s poetry, Amerson challenges the practice of searching for singular “glory sightings” as an impoverished way to acknowledge God’s abundance (04:24). He suggests that instead of limiting our perception to occasional, dramatic moments, we should cultivate an attentiveness to the sacred embedded in everyday life. Taking off one’s shoes in awe, rather than “plucking blackberries,” becomes a metaphor for spiritual attentiveness and humility (05:17). The episode closes with an encouragement: practice listening for the music and let the fullness of faith arise, not just within set boundaries or routines, but everywhere.For those seeking to deepen their perspective on spiritual community and the lived reality of faith, this episode provides nourishing insights and gentle provocations.

Show Notes: To Be and DoGuest: Jonathan Massimi, Managing Director at Civic BloomHost: Phil AmersonEpisode OverviewIn this reflective episode, Jonathan Massimi delves into the complexities of leadership transitions within faith communities. Drawing from his experiences in Kitchener, Ontario and the frameworks of asset-based community development (ABCD), Jonathan Massimi and Phil Amerson explore how structure and spontaneity coexist, the role of institutional frameworks, and the spiritual metaphors that help communities grow through moments of uncertainty.Three Key Takeaways1. The Importance and Paradox of Structure During TransitionsJonathan Massimi shares vivid examples highlighting the tension between hierarchical “triangles” (formal structures) and communal “circles” (relational communities) 04:18. In times of transition—like the recent resignation of a pastor—faith communities face instability, uncertainty, and competing reactions: worry, excitement, nostalgia, and power dynamics among those who step up to fill leadership gaps 01:23. Jonathan Massimi argues that while circles foster participation and community, some structure is necessary to provide direction and prevent the loudest voices from dominating 05:12. The challenge, he notes, is finding the right “geometry”—using structure not to restrict but to “prop up” healthy circles, akin to an ice cream cone supporting the scoop 13:29.2. Balancing Inclusion and Leadership OwnershipThe episode discusses how leadership in communities is most effective when it invites widespread participation while maintaining clear roles. Phil Emerson offers a personal anecdote involving servant leadership expert Robert Greenleaf, who taught that strong leaders must include others in leadership to prevent disconnect or overreach 08:32. Jonathan Massimi reinforces this by pointing out the hazards of unchecked individual ownership (like the person who controls a church kitchen to the exclusion of all others) 10:48. Effective community renewal requires both acknowledging internal gifts and welcoming external talents in a dynamic, ongoing balance.3. Spiritual Metaphors: Breathing and the TableJonathan Massimi introduces metaphors of “breathing” and “the table” to express the rhythm of community life and faith 12:41. Healthy communities inhale (welcome new energy from outside) and exhale (release their own gifts to the wider world), creating cycles of growth 13:01. The conversation culminates with the image of the table, especially as seen in the Emmaus Road story, as a powerful place of revelation and belonging 16:26. These metaphors invite listeners to reconsider familiar religious practices and symbols as avenues for inclusion, transformation, and ongoing discovery.Listen for practical wisdom on navigating organizational change, spiritual renewal, and the enduring tension between structure and freedom in community life.https://civicbloom.ca/

Episode OverviewIn this reflective episode, Philip Amerson takes listeners behind the scenes of a pastors’ retreat he helped facilitate, diving into the “why” behind gathering faith leaders away from their usual busy routines. Instead of offering programs or solutions, the focus was set on shared reflection about the future of the church—from a place of rest, quiet, and intention. Using a powerful analogy from the documentary From Mao to Mozart and a moving personal story, Philip Emerson challenges both clergy and listeners to rethink the role of tradition, institution, and community in spiritual life.Three Key Takeaways1. The Church as Instrument—Not the MusicDrawing on a lesson from violinist Isaac Stern in the film From Mao to Mozart (00:39), Philip Amerson highlights the difference between “playing the violin” and “playing the music.” In this metaphor, the church is the instrument—it facilitates, supports, and carries—but is not itself the music, which is the lived experience of faith and connection with God. Philip Amerson reflects on how, as a pastor, he sometimes prioritized managing or “playing the instrument” over cultivating the deeper music of faith within the community (01:30).2. Faith Grows Beyond Institutional BoundariesA story from Philip Amerson’s own pastoral career powerfully underscores the importance of meeting people where they are. When a young pastor was late for an early morning communion (01:47), it turned out he had been sharing communion with neighbors on their porches and at bus stops, inviting them into the sanctuary. This spontaneous outreach resulted in a richer gathering and illustrated how sometimes the most genuine acts of faith extend beyond church walls and prescribed rituals (02:38).3. Rethinking Faith and Freedom Within InstitutionsPhilip Amerson prompts listeners to ask themselves how they think about their faith—whether it’s something confined to institutional structures, or if there’s room for the “instrument” of church to allow the real music to flourish (03:13). He invites reflection on how institutional forms can support or stifle authentic spirituality, and suggests future episodes will continue exploring the balance between structure and freedom in living out faith (03:17).Listen & ReflectThis episode encourages pastors, church members, and all spiritual seekers to reconsider what it means to gather, connect, and make space for the true music of faith—both within and beyond formal institutions.

Episode OverviewIn this insightful episode, Phil Amerson reconnects with Jonathan Massimi in a reflective conversation exploring the intersections of technology, memory, and spiritual community. Together, they probe what it means to be human in an age where artificial intelligence and digital tools shape not just our actions, but also our relationships and our collective memory. Drawing on classroom experiences and personal practices, Jonathan Massimi challenges listeners to consider the impact of technology on our sense of agency, community, and the artifacts we use to remember our lives. The conversation is an invitation to slow down, notice the silences in our lives, and honor the memories and artifacts that connect us to each other and to generations past and future.Three Takeaways1. Technology Shapes Our Relationships and CreativityJonathan Massimi shares a classroom experiment where students create art first by finger painting and then by using AI tools. The difference is striking: while finger painting fostered lively conversation and creative connection, shifting to AI-generated art led to a silent, isolated room and notable frustration when the technology produced results that didn’t match intentions. This illustrates how digital tools don’t merely augment our creativity—they can fundamentally alter our interactions and even distance us from our own agency and each other (03:39-07:07).2. Memory and Artifacts: What Are We Losing?A meaningful thread emerges on the subject of memory. Jonathan Massimi discusses the shift from tangible artifacts—such as photographs, watches, and sacred objects—to digital archives curated by algorithms (07:08-08:17). This leads to deeper questions: Who owns our memories? What do we lose when our memories are stored digitally, often forgotten among thousands of files, rather than honored in physical form? Both speakers emphasize the spiritual and communal power of shared, tangible artifacts—objects tied to stories, lineage, and rituals.3. Intentional Practices Can Restore Reflection and ConnectionIn a world of ever-present screens, both guests point to the power of intentional, analog practices. Whether through wearing and winding a mechanical watch, sharing sacred objects in community, or creating art by hand, such acts help restore a sense of time, reflection, and relationship (16:19-18:41). These practices slow us down and reconnect us to ourselves, our histories, and our communities in ways technology cannot replicate.Key Quote:"There is silence, and then there is silence… constructed realities so detached from the memories we carry." — Phil Amerson (10:24)Further ListeningStay tuned for the next episode, where Speaker A and Jonathan Massimi continue this thought-provoking exploration of technology, memory, and spiritual formation.

Connecting Community and Ministry: Tyler Brinks on Asset Based Development and Convening ChangeIn this insightful episode of To Be and Do, host Phil Amerson welcomes Reverend Tyler Brinks of First Presbyterian Church, Bloomington, Indiana, for an authentic conversation about aligning identity with action, the power of connectorship, and the transformative philosophy of Asset Based Community Development (ABCD).The discussion opens with Amerson reflecting on the recurring tension many feel between “doing” and “being,” emphasizing the importance of intentional living that fuses who we are with what we do. This theme sets the stage for an exploration of ABCD, a community-building approach championed by John McKnight and Jody Kretzman, which focuses not on deficits but on the hidden and communal gifts within neighborhoods and individuals.Brinks traces his own journey with the church, describing how key mentors and a series of serendipitous associations—beginning at his home church in Michigan and later through meaningful connections in Indianapolis—brought this philosophy to life for him. He shares the pivotal influence of figures such as Reverend Fernando Rodriguez, Mike Mather, and Diamond Hargis, and the surprising intersections of their work that shaped his approach to ministry.Central to the conversation is the idea of “connectorship.” Amerson recounts a story about John McKnight, who highlighted the role of convening—bringing people together—as more foundational than traditional models of leadership. Speaker B echoes this, attributing his own emphasis on building relationships to the gentle encouragements of his parents and a personal awareness of the knowledge and wisdom found in others.The episode closes with a meditative word from Speaker B, who shares a reflection from Howard Thurman’s “Meditations of the Heart.” Using the image of the jack pine—whose seeds only open after intense fire—he inspires listeners to recognize that times of challenge may unlock latent gifts within us, pointing to new beginnings and resurrection even in the ashes.Key TakeawaysAsset Based Community Development: Real change and growth begin by recognizing and leveraging the gifts already present in individuals and communities—not focusing solely on needs or deficits.The Power of Connectorship: Convening and connecting people is a vital, often undervalued, leadership skill that enables shared wisdom and collaborative action.Embracing Unexpected Journeys: Crossroads in life and ministry frequently arise through organic relationships and open-hearted exploration.Transformation through Challenge: As illustrated by the jack pine, our deepest gifts often emerge in times of trial, offering seeds of hope and renewal.Learning to See Differently: True humanization requires acknowledging both flaws and gifts, learning to foster environments where everyone’s strengths are noticed and celebrated.

Because:To Be and Do: BecauseShow NotesIn this reflective episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson offers a brief meditation on the importance of togetherness, compassion, and the deeply spiritual act of sharing a meal. Rooted in personal experience and theological insight, the episode invites listeners to consider how everyday moments—especially coming together at the table—can become opportunities for healing, connection, and hope in a fractured world.The episode opens with a poetic introduction from Ken Medema, setting a gentle, contemplative tone: “Clock strikes 10 coffee time again. While the world is rushing to its judgment day. Judgment day.” 00:01 This reflective spirit carries through as Speaker B shares his thoughts on community, inspired by a recent retreat for pastors (the details of which are teased for a future episode).As we await that story, Amerson turns our attention to a profound image—an oil painting by Kadir Nelson titled After the Storm, depicting a diverse group of people united in hope after times of hardship 00:58. This image becomes a launching point for exploring how we might move past divisions of race, language, and nationality, envisioning a future where empathy and welcome take precedence 01:46.Drawing on theological themes, Speaker B encourages listeners to see the table—wherever it might be—as a place for Holy Communion and transformation. From Christ’s meals with those on the margins to the post-resurrection story of recognition in the breaking of bread, the episode urges us to make every shared meal a chance for connection and grace 03:17, 03:47.Three TakeawaysThe Table as Sacred Space: Amerson emphasizes that ordinary tables, where we share meals, can become powerful places of communion and reconciliation, echoing some of Christianity’s most profound stories 03:06.Radical Inclusion Over Division: The episode calls us to imagine a future beyond divisions—racial, linguistic, or national—and to actively combat indifference and othering by welcoming strangers and breaking bread together 01:46.Hope After Hardship: Inspired by Kadir Nelson’s After the Storm, Speaker B offers hope that after times of conflict and pain, there is the possibility of unity, healing, and new beginnings when we simply choose to be together 01:26.May every coffee break or shared meal become an invitation to compassion, connection, and holy presence in your daily life.

Show Notes: To Be and DoGuest: Tyler Brinks, Associate Pastor at First Presbyterian Church, BloomingtonEpisode OverviewIn this episode of To Be and Do, host Phil Amerson sits down with Tyler Brinks, a young pastor whose ministry journey traverses denominational traditions and diverse congregational settings. Together, they explore the changing landscape of mainline Protestantism, the power of hope and creativity in faith communities, and the intersection of contemplation and activism. Tyler Brinks also shares insights on the influence of spiritual mentors and the simple spirituality found in his favorite discipline: running.Three Key Takeaways1. Demographic Shifts Spark New Narratives of HopeTyler Brinks candidly addresses the statistical decline in mainline denominations such as the PCUSA and Methodists, referencing Ryan Burge’s work forecasting significant membership decreases in coming decades (03:08). Despite the sobering data, Tyler Brinks emphasizes the importance of seeing possibilities where others see scarcity. He encourages holding stories of decline in tension with counter-narratives—highlighting faithfulness and creativity that statistics often overlook. Vibrant ministry, he insists, continues to emerge even within challenging constraints (04:40, 07:40).2. Diversity of Experience Fuels Ingenuity in MinistryFrom large, urban congregations like Second Presbyterian in Indianapolis to rural yoked churches and historically Black congregations such as Witherspoon Presbyterian, Tyler Brinks describes a ministry shaped by diverse contexts (14:03). He notes that whether facing questions of shrinking membership or merging congregations, practitioners continuously honor tradition while creatively discerning the present moment’s needs (16:34). Sharing experiences with peers across the spectrum is vital for fostering both sustainability and transformation.3. Contemplation and Action: A Rhythmic BalanceThe conversation delves into Tyler Brinks’s deep appreciation for both contemplation and activism in spiritual life. Influenced by mentors and spiritual giants like Howard Thurman, he finds that reflective practices can catalyze change and engagement with the world (19:29). His running routine also becomes a spiritual exercise, a time for both clearing the mind and nurturing creativity—sometimes even composing sermons mid-stride (26:40). This balance of being grounded in worship and being propelled into compassionate action defines his pastoral approach.Listen for thoughtful perspectives on ministry’s future and discover how hope, diversity, and spiritual rhythm can revitalize faith communities.

In this heartfelt "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson invites listeners into a brief meditation on perspective, hope, and resilience through the stories of two friends—Bob and Joe. Set against the everyday backdrop of coffee and morning rituals, Phil reflects on how these two characters embody different approaches to life’s challenges and offers personal insight on navigating the spectrum between complaint and hope.Three Key Takeaways1. Your Outlook Shapes Your ExperienceThe episode contrasts Bob, the habitual pessimist, and Joe, the resilient optimist. Despite facing difficult circumstances, Joe maintains his "sparkle," holding onto hope even in the face of adversity. Phil describes how Bob met each Sunday morning with complaint and negativity, making it clear that focusing on the negative can become a pattern that colors not only your life but the lives of those around you . In contrast, Joe, even after enduring criticism, hardship, and physical decline, refuses to let these things diminish his spirit . The message: We may not have control over what happens to us, but we do have a say in how we respond.2. The Power of Intentionally Seeking Good NewsRather than letting Bob’s negativity take center stage every Sunday, Phil interrupts the routine by asking, "What good news do you have for me this week?" This simple, intentional question challenges the cycle of complaint and gently nudges toward a different perspective. The takeaway here is that we can intentionally create space for positivity in our conversations and relationships, shifting focus from what’s wrong to what’s good—even when it feels unnatural or surprising.3. Sparkle in the Face of AdversityJoe’s story serves as an embodiment of resilience and hope. Even as a bishop subject to criticism and betrayal, and later physically limited, Joe "sparkled" , demonstrating that hope and joy aren’t naive—they are powerful acts of courage. Drawing on Emily Dickinson’s poem, "Hope is the thing with feathers," Phil reminds listeners that hope is always present if we choose to notice. The closing reflection and reference to the gospel song "Leave it There" invite us all to work on sparkling, to lay down our burdens, and embrace a spirit of gratitude and grace, regardless of our circumstances.Whether you find yourself more like Bob or Joe, this episode encourages you to reclaim your outlook, seek out good news intentionally, and strive to "sparkle" even on tough days.

In this compelling episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes Tim Soerens, executive director of the Parish Collective, for an enriching conversation about what it means to be the church in the neighborhood and how that impacts both individual lives and communities. Listeners are taken on a journey that weaves together stories of playful evangelism, real-life examples of neighborhood flourishing, and the deeper meaning of church as a connective force in society.The episode opens with Amerson reflecting on Soerens’ writing in “The New Parish” and his more recent book, “Everywhere You Look.” Soerens explains the mission of the Parish Collective: to connect people who seek to be and become the church right where they live, emphasizing the importance of reorganizing church life around local relationships that actively pursue the well-being, or “shalom,” of their neighborhoods 01:09.Conversation Highlights & TakeawaysThe Power of Place-Based FaithSoerens discusses how focusing on the neighborhood allows the church to ask, “What is God doing here and now, with these people?” rather than simply striving for bigger services or attendance numbers 12:58. This localized approach shifts the conversation from competition among churches to collaboration for the flourishing of the community.Weak Ties and Neighborhood CohesionThe discussion delves into the social science of “weak ties” or “bridging relationships.” Speaker A and Soerens recount how simple, repeated encounters—like seeing a neighbor at the grocery store—can gradually foster connective tissue in a community 16:55. This relational glue is essential for lasting change.Leadership as Convening, Not ControllingThe role of leadership is reimagined as “convening” rather than commanding. Drawing on insights from Peter Block and John McKnight, Soerens highlights the radical impact of leaders who focus on connecting people, rather than simply leading them 24:46.The Unique Role of the Church in SocietySoerens argues the church, unlike any other institution, is uniquely positioned to serve as the connective tissue among different sectors—business, education, politics, and more—bringing neighbors together for the common good 14:50.Whether you’re a pastor, layperson, or someone who simply cares about the place you call home, this episode is full of ideas and stories to help you “be and do” in ways that can transform your own neighborhood, one connection at a time.

In this reflective "Because" episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson revisits a pivotal period serving as pastor at Broadway United Methodist Church in Indianapolis, sharing personal anecdotes and hard-earned wisdom about building a truly welcoming church community. Weaving together Biblical references, personal stories, and social observations, the episode confronts the realities and aspirations involved in embracing multiculturalism—both in faith communities and society at large.Key Themes1. The Challenge and Commitment of Multicultural CommunityPhil highlights the ambitious and intentional mission statement adopted by Broadway United Methodist Church in 1986: to become a multicultural Christian community that seeks, welcomes, and values all people. This brings out a theme of aspiration versus lived reality. Despite admitting their naivety in striving for such ideals celebrates the commitment to inclusivity that has endured for 40 years , even as the community grappled with hard lessons and social challenges.2. Confronting the Power of Fear and TribalismThe episode does not shy away from acknowledging the forces that undermine multicultural efforts. Speaker B discusses how tribalism, fear, and resentment have historically eroded goodwill—not just within their church, but across society and global alliances . In one vivid example , manifestations of discrimination and bigotry are likened to masked ICE agents in urban America, underscoring the persistent threats to genuine inclusion. Yet, the congregation’s mission remains a countercultural witness to God’s love for all neighbors .3. The Enduring Value of Hope and Long-Term FaithfulnessDespite setbacks and societal cynicism, Phil questions whether such aspirations are truly naive. Drawing from the teachings of Paul and referencing Eugene Peterson’s phrase, “a long obedience in the same direction” , the episode encourages listeners to persist in the slow work of building loving, inclusive communities. The ultimate message is not to lose hope or retreat into isolation, but to keep striving for the reality of God’s kingdom on earth.Notable Quotes“The gift of knowing others who differed in a community of acceptance could never be erased.” (03:40)“Stay at it, good friends. Don’t get stuck in privatism or self pity.” (04:29)Tune in for a thoughtful meditation on faith, community, and the courage required to love beyond boundaries.

In this compelling episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson welcomes Tim Soerens, a pastor, author, and leader in the Parish Collective, to explore how interdependence is vital for both personal and communal flourishing. Together, they dive into the evolving role of the church, the legacy of John McKnight, and how finding hope and joy is essential for leaders, especially in times of rapid change.Three Major TakeawaysAsset-Based Community Development and Neighborhood FocusThe conversation begins by honoring John McKnight and his foundational work in asset-based community development (01:26). Tim shares how McKnight’s belief in uncovering ordinary gifts within every neighborhood profoundly shapes his approach to ministry. Rather than focusing solely on decline or challenges, the episode emphasizes that each community possesses a “multiplicity of gifts” (03:04), ordinary heroes, and untold stories waiting to be discovered and celebrated.Rethinking the Purpose and Model of ChurchBoth speakers reflect on the end of Christendom and the necessity to reimagine what church means today (10:24). Tim discusses his journey: moving from an attractional Sunday-centric model to an incarnational, place-based approach — highlighting the Parish Collective’s core question: “How do we be and become the church in our everyday lives through relationships, pursuing the hopes and dreams of God?” (09:26). They underscore the importance of clarity about the church’s purpose, noting how many institutions (like libraries) have clear functions, whereas the church’s purpose is often ambiguous (14:37).Hope, Joy, and the Necessity of Slowing DownThe episode closes with practical wisdom for today’s pastoral leaders. Tim emphasizes that hope springs from asking “What is God up to here?”, a question that transforms perspectives and inspires even in ordinary moments (15:36). He connects this to the search for joy, suggesting it often emerges when leaders slow down, listen deeply, and share meaningfully with others (17:45). The importance of retreat, rest, and interdependence is echoed — reminders that hope and joy are as essential as oxygen in today’s fast-paced world.Listen in for a timely, thoughtful exploration of what it means to be the church, recover joy, and discover hope in every place and relationship.

In this reflective episode of To Be and Do, the theme of living on the edge—spiritually, emotionally, and within our conflicted world—takes center stage. , Phil Amerson, invites listeners to pause for a meditative moment, weaving together poetry and poignant observations to spark contemplation about faith, paradox, and the spaces we inhabit.The episode opens with a gentle scene: the clock strikes ten, signaling coffee time—a recurring motif reminding us of the simple, comforting rituals that anchor our days 00:01. But as the aroma of coffee wafts through the air, there’s an awareness that the outside world rushes toward its own “judgment day,” a subtle prompt for listeners to consider both the gravity and moments of grace in daily life.Phil Amerson, recognizing the transformative power of poetry, shares verses that linger and provoke. He introduces “The Wanderer” by Walter Wangren Jr., a Lutheran pastor and dear friend. The poem reflects on the experience of being a “world rim Walker,” traversing the precipices between night and day, certainty and doubt 00:54. Amerson’s reminiscence about Wangren’s life and the continuing relevance of his work adds a layer of intimacy, bridging the personal and the universal 01:38.The journey continues with a poem from Christian Wiman, “Hard Night,” capturing the stark landscapes of desert and ice, and questioning the “space between” affirming that our existence unfolds in the paradox—the uncertainty and possibility suspended in those in-between places.Drawing from current events, Amerson reflects on the crises facing humanity: wars of choice, the devastation in Gaza, Lebanon, Somalia, and Ukraine . Despite this, the message is one of resilience and hope. “We are the walkers at the edge,” he concludes, urging us to live with integrity and intentionality: to “be a person who does what you believe and believes what you do” .Key TakeawaysReflection Through Poetry: Poetry can provide a valuable mirror for the complexities of life, offering calm contemplation in the face of chaos.Embracing Paradox: Life often unfolds in the liminal spaces between extremes—night and day, faith and doubt, war and peace.Witnessing and Compassion: Acknowledging the suffering in the world stimulates a compassionate response and encourages us to walk thoughtfully and bravely.Living Authentically: There is power in aligning our actions with our beliefs, serving as “edge walkers” who navigate uncertainty with integrity.Everyday Rituals as Anchors: Simple moments—like coffee time—can ground us and create connection, even amidst turmoil As the episode closes, the invitation remains: pour a cup, sit with an old friend, and live each day with love and laughter.

In this insightful episode of "To Be and Do," host Phil Amerson welcomes Dr. Rachel Metheny, pastor at Meridian Street Church, for an honest and inspiring conversation about soul care, joy, and navigating the complexities of ministry in a modern world. The episode opens with Phil Amerson asking how Rachel Metheny maintains her own spiritual energy amidst the demands of leading a wealthy, vibrant congregation. What follows is a lively exploration of hiking, gratitude, family, and the wider implications of community and belonging.Key Takeaways:Soul Care through Walking and Pilgrimage:Rachel Metheny shares how walking and hiking have become vital practices for her sanity and spiritual renewal. She recounts preparing for a group pilgrimage on the El Camino in Spain, reflecting on previous hiking adventures—from Machu Picchu to a 9-day trek in the Dolomites—emphasizing the restorative power of physical challenge and nature. These activities help her get out of her head, push boundaries, and reflect on life’s beauty.Sports and Joy as Spiritual Practice:Rooted in Indiana culture, sports like IU football and basketball provide Rachel Metheny with a joyful respite from the negativity saturating news cycles. She describes intentionally fostering an environment of joy and gratitude within her church, recognizing the therapeutic impact of focusing on what brings happiness and what can be celebrated, especially in worship.Family and Community as Anchors:When asked about meaningful objects, Rachel Metheny points to her family as her true “totem.” She speaks lovingly of their unwavering support—her parents have attended every church she’s served—and how their lessons in joy and community shaped her spirit. This emphasis on connection highlights the podcast’s central theme of interdependence over mere independence.Real Stories of Immigration and Resilience:Drawing from time spent in Guatemala and El Salvador, Rachel Metheny offers a personal lens on the realities faced by immigrants and refugees, explaining how those experiences inform her ministry and advocacy. She describes moments of fear and hope, both among her congregants and within families the church has supported through social service initiatives.Redefining Church and Community:The conversation explores what church truly means, moving past mere attendance to embrace wider spiritual and communal bonds. Both Phil Amerson and Rachel Metheny argue that the heart of church is in shared experiences and relationships—not just buildings or Sunday services—invoking powerful imagery of starting afresh with “a table, a loaf of bread, and a bottle of wine.”Summary:This episode is a testament to the everyday practices that sustain spiritual leaders, the importance of joy and gratitude, and the power of shared journeys—literal and metaphorical. It also invites listeners to rethink church and community as vibrant, living networks of support and hope.Tune in for inspiration, practical wisdom, and heartfelt stories that remind us to celebrate what brings us joy, lean into community, and never underestimate the healing power of a good walk.

In this thought-provoking episode of "To Be snd Do," Phillip Amerson offers a heartfelt reflection on the changing landscape of faith communities. Drawing from recent readings, including John Fugelsang’s Separation of Church and Hate and Ryan Burge’s The Vanishing Church, Phillip Amerson delves into the realities facing mainline churches today. He addresses Burge’s sociological perspective, which centers on the decline of traditional congregations, particularly focusing on Burge’s own experiences as a pastor leading a small American Baptist church that ultimately closed its doors.However, Phillip Amerson challenges the notion that the church’s diminishing numbers are the only story to tell. While acknowledging the accuracy of demographic shifts—such as smaller families and decreasing need for expansive education buildings, a trend that began in the post-war era—he asserts that data doesn’t capture the true essence of what makes faith communities meaningful. Rather than seeing religion as a commodity to be measured, Phillip Amerson urges listeners to view it as a community to be built and nurtured.He highlights examples of congregations across the country, including one attended by his producer, Brad Miller, where growth might be modest but the ministry and sense of hope remain vibrant. The core message is that faith is best understood not in numbers, but in relationships and the transformative power of community. He invokes the biblical narrative, referencing Paul, John, and Peter, to underscore the importance of offering the intangible gifts—faith, love, and transformation—that Christ offers.Key Takeaways:Decline Isn’t the Whole Story: While mainline churches are facing real demographic challenges, this decline doesn’t mean the end of meaningful ministry. Many faith communities continue to thrive in non-traditional ways.Faith as Community, Not Commodity: Phillip Amerson emphasizes that true faith can’t be measured solely by numbers; it’s about the strength and nurture of community, where each member is valued.Hope and Growth Persist: Even in places where attendance is shrinking, ministry and hope abound. Small, slow growth is vital and transformative.Offer What Matters: The real gifts a congregation can offer are not material wealth, but faith, love, and support—the essence of the Gospel message.Listeners are encouraged to seek, nurture, and participate in communities that prioritize offering these gifts, reminding us that the church’s mission is ultimately about transformation, not statistics.

Show Notes: To Be and Do PodcastHost: Phil AmersonGuest: Rachel Metheny, Lead Pastor at Meridian Street United Methodist Church, IndianapolisEpisode Overview:In this thoughtful and energizing episode, Phil Amerson sits down with longtime friend and colleague Rachel Metheny, lead pastor of Meridian Street United Methodist Church in Indianapolis. Their conversation delves deeply into what it means for churches—and church leaders—to be relevant, vibrant, and true to their mission in a time of rapid cultural and societal change. From the unique struggles facing aging congregations to the surprising resurgence of young families and the craving for authentic community, Rachel Metheny shares stories and insights from her decades in ministry.Three Key Takeaways:1. The Power of Tradition Mixed with RelevanceDespite national trends of declining church attendance, Rachel Metheny has witnessed new growth at Meridian Street—especially among younger families. Interestingly, what draws many is not “cool” trends or high-tech worship but rather traditional liturgy and music peppered with honest conversation about relevant issues. Young people expressed appreciation for a worship space that resists screens and bands in favor of classic practices, finding security in ritual while engaging candidly with modern challenges. As Rachel Metheny observes, community members welcomed traditional worship complemented by discussions on justice, inclusion, and contemporary life concerns.2. Community and Connection Trump the Latest Church TrendsBoth speakers reflect on the irony of churches chasing ever-newer strategies—program trends, entertainment, sports leagues—when the true lifeblood of congregational renewal is community. Rachel Metheny shares, “I think there’s a hunger for these young people to be a part of a community... just getting together and eating together.” The simplest acts—sharing meals, supporting one another, showing up—fuel deeper bonds and a spiritual home for many who feel isolated in an increasingly digital world.3. A Shift from Charity to JusticeA new wave of leaders and congregants, especially among young adults, are less interested in traditional “charity” models and more passionate about systemic justice. Rachel Metheny describes how the congregation responded to national immigration issues, organizing not just to give but to act for change. This move toward direct justice work, catalyzed by new, energetic members, reflects a broader generational shift in what it means to live out faith in the world.This episode is a compelling listen for anyone interested in the evolving landscape of faith, community, and what makes church truly matter today. Tune in to hear authentic dialogue, wisdom from years in ministry, and hope for the church’s future.https://www.meridianstreet.org/our-team-opportunities

Host: Phil AmersonThis "Because" episode of "To Be and Do" features Phil Amerson as he shares deeply personal reflections on life, faith, and ministry in the context of responding to challenging events—both locally and nationally. Drawing on memories of ICE raids in Minneapolis and historical tragedies at Kent State and Jackson State, Phil Amerson connects these large-scale events to a pivotal experience in Evansville, Indiana in the late 1980s, centered around a neighborhood’s encounter with the Ku Klux Klan. Through heartfelt storytelling, Phil explores how a faith community can respond thoughtfully and peacefully to hatred and fear.Three Key Takeaways:The Power of Listening to Unexpected VoicesOne of the most impactful moments is when Stella—a neighbor not always regarded as wise—offers the suggestion that the best response to the Klan’s meeting is to attend, pray with those present, and help them reflect quietly. Contrary to more reactive ideas, her approach shifts the atmosphere from confrontation to compassion, demonstrating how powerful it can be to pause and listen to voices that might otherwise be overlooked.Building Relationships and Changing HeartsInstead of protesting loudly, Phil Amerson and his group chose to attend the Klan event, speak calmly, and even sing hymns. This approach led to genuine connections—eventually, Phil befriended one of the Klan members, who began coming to their worship services. Over time, this relationship helped shift the man’s perspective; a year later, he symbolically renounced violence and his Klan membership by placing his revolver and membership card in the offering plate. The story powerfully illustrates that empathy and presence can create openings for transformation in even the most unlikely situations.Faith as a Path to Living DifferentlyThe episode ends with a reminder that people of faith have the opportunity to live differently—by choosing love, hope, and gentle actions instead of responding to fear or hatred with anger. Phil Amerson's narrative encourages listeners to move beyond assumptions and embrace the courage to respond with quiet strength, affirming that relational ministry can lead to impactful change.Tune in to hear how faith, listening, and relationship-building are not just concepts, but practical tools for confronting divisiveness and promoting healing. This episode is a moving story of how ordinary people can make a difference—even in the face of extraordinary challenges.

In this insightful episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes back Rev. Dr. Philip Wingeier-Rayo for a deep dive into the historical and current impact of Methodism worldwide, particularly through the lens of education, diversity, and inclusion.Takeaway 1: The Global Legacy of Methodist MissionsPhilip Wingeier-Rayo shares captivating stories from his recent book, “John Wesley and Methodist Missions,” highlighting/logging the surprising roots of Methodism in the Caribbean before it gained a substantial foothold in the United States. Listeners will learn how laypeople, such as Nathaniel Gilbert in Antigua, played critical roles in starting societies across the Western Hemisphere—often before official missionaries set foot there. These mission stories underscore how Methodism spread via local initiative, community-building, and the courage to cross social boundaries.Takeaway 2: Education as Core Methodist IdentityEducation is woven through the DNA of the Methodist movement. Philip Wingeier-Rayo details how Methodists have established over 1,000 educational institutions worldwide, with a focus on serving underserved populations. The conversation touches on the enduring legacy of Methodist colleges, including historically Black colleges in the U.S. and community-focused schools like Lydia Patterson Institute near the U.S.-Mexico border. Their commitment to accessibility and opportunity, he notes, goes all the way back to John Wesley’s earliest days at Oxford. Methodist efforts in education aren’t just historic—they’re still actively building bridges for students everywhere.Takeaway 3: DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion)—Not a Trend, but a TraditionWhile DEI has recently become a politically charged term, the conversation reveals how diversity, equity, and inclusion are not new concepts for Methodists. Philip Wingeier-Rayo points out that Methodist institutions have championed diversity and equal opportunity since their founding, driven by the belief that all are created in God’s image and worthy of full participation in church and society. Even as universities cut back on official DEI programming, United Methodist campus ministries and chaplaincies are increasingly stepping up to provide safe, welcoming, and inclusive spaces for students from all backgrounds.Don’t miss this episode if you’re interested in the intersection of faith, history, education, and justice—or if you want to hear stories that inspire and empower. Make sure to check out Philip Wingeier-Rayo ’s book for an even deeper exploration tenets of Methodist missions.John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2025.Listen now and join the movement to live out your faith by being and doing good in the world!Philip Wingeier-Rayo serves as Executive Director of Education for the General Board of Higher Education & Ministry of the United Methodist Church. He is also Visiting Professor of Missiology, World Christianity, and Methodist Studies at Wesley, where he teaches courses in mission and evangelism, world Christianity, and Methodist history and doctrine. He served as Dean at Wesley from 2018-2022. Wingeier-Rayo was born in Singapore to missionary parents and grew up in Evanston, Illinois. He earned a double major in Human Relations and Spanish from Earlham College, a M.T.S. from Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary, and a M.Th. from Seminario Evangélico de Teología in Cuba before earning a Ph.D. in Theology, Ethics and Culture from Chicago Theological Seminary. His teaching and scholarship is informed by 15 years of missionary service where he served with the General Board of Global Ministries in Nicaragua, Cuba, Mexico and the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas. Wingeier-Rayo has published five books, including Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico (Pickwick Publications, 2011) and The Bible Through the Eyes of John Wesley (Upper Room/Discipleship Resources, 2019). His most recent publication is John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions (Abingdon Press, 2025). Wingeier-Rayo and his wife, Diana, reside outside of Washington DC and have three adult children and one son-in-law.Books:John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2025.La Evangelización y la Misión de Dios: Una Teología Bíblica, Nashville, TN: Wesley’s Foundery Books. 2020.La Biblia a través de los ojos de Juan Wesley: 52 clases de discipulado para pequeños grupos, with foreword by Justo González, Nashville, TN: Upper Room, 2019.Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico, Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2011.Cuban Methodism: The Untold Story of Survival and Revival, Atlanta, GA: Dolphins and Orchids, 2006.

In this powerful and timely episode, host Philip Amerson brings to the forefront pressing concerns about the practices of the Department of Homeland Security and ICE agents in the United States. Through a deeply reflective and faith-centered lens, Philip Amerson discusses the ongoing tension between national security measures and the foundational values of justice, faith, and constitutional rights.The episode opens with Philip Amerson expressing dismay at the “overfunding and overindulgence” of Homeland Security and ICE. He questions why ICE agents are often held to different standards than local police, highlighting issues like anonymity (such as covering faces), lack of body cameras, and absence of identification during enforcement actions. He argues that accountability and transparency should be the minimum expectation for such authorities.Philip Amerson shares sobering stories about ICE’s actions toward faith communities, recounting how agents have detained individuals leaving church and even desecrated sacraments during protests outside detention centers. These narratives, notably involving Christians gathering near detention facilities, make clear his concern that such actions are not only an affront to individual rights but also a direct challenge to the moral and faith-based foundations of these communities.Grounded in both scripture and the U.S. Constitution, Philip Amerson calls people of faith to action, especially during the reflective season of Lent. Referencing the biblical imperative to “love God and love your neighbor,” he encourages listeners to reject authoritarian behaviors in favor of compassion, justice, and faithful witness.Key Takeaway Points:Demand for Accountability: Philip Amerson stresses that ICE agents should be subject to the same standards as local law enforcement, including identification and transparency, as part of democratic accountability.Impact on Faith Communities: The episode vividly details how recent ICE actions have directly targeted worshippers and faith-led protests, challenging listeners to stand up whenever sacred rites and human dignity are threatened.Scriptural and Constitutional Grounds: Philip Amerson argues that both religious teachings and the U.S. Constitution demand more humane, transparent, and just practices from authorities.A Call to Faithful Action: In the spirit of Lent, he urges Christians—and all people of faith—to live out their beliefs by actively resisting injustices and embodying love for both God and neighbor.Join Philip Amerson for an episode that calls us beyond passive concern, stirring empathy and conviction on the pressing issues of justice, accountability, and faith in our public life.

Show Notes: To Be and Do PodcastHost: Philip AmersonGuest: Philip Wingeier-RayoIn this rich and insightful episode of the To Be and Do podcast, Philip Amerson sits down with noted missions scholar Philip Wingeier-Rayo , who brings his decades of experience as a professor at Wesley Seminary and work with the General Board of Higher Education and Ministry. The episode springs from Philip Wingeier-Rayo ’s new book, "John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions," and takes listeners deep into the historical journey of Methodist missions—exploring how the global movement evolved from John Wesley’s origins to its worldwide presence today.Here are three key takeaways from the conversation:1. John Wesley’s Mission Legacy Is More Nuanced Than Many RealizeWhile John Wesley is credited as a founding missionary figure, Philip Wingeier-Rayo clarifies that Wesley’s role as a missionary was complex, even debated (02:52). During his time in Georgia, Wesley was technically called a missionary by others but did not accept a salary, nor did he self-identify with the title. His disappointing and challenging experience in Georgia shaped his later hesitance about engaging in missionary expansion, which influenced the ethos of early Methodism as initially more focused on renewal within the Anglican Church, rather than outward missionary zeal.2. The Spread of Methodism Was Often Grassroots and Lay-LedContrary to popular belief, the explosive spread of Methodism in its early days wasn’t driven top-down by Wesley or denominational authorities. As Philip Wingeier-Rayo describes, laypeople who had caught the "fire" of Methodist faith carried it across oceans, founding societies and requesting support only after establishing local congregations (09:07). Wesley was hesitant and even declined several times to send clergy to support these fledgling communities, a testament to the organic, spirit-led nature of Methodist expansion.3. Education and Experiential Faith Are Interwoven in the Methodist DNAThe Methodist tradition, shaped by Wesley’s experiences and Moravian influence, treasures both "knowledge and vital piety." Philip Wingeier-Rayo highlights compelling stories, such as that of Boston King—a formerly enslaved man who became a missionary in Africa due to Methodist educational efforts—to illustrate how the movement integrated heart and mind in spreading faith and social uplift (14:40). This holistic approach remains central to the Methodist ethos worldwide.Listen in for a truly enlightening conversation about what it means to be and do as part of a global movement shaped by ordinary people, transformative faith, and education.Philip Wingeier-Rayo serves as Executive Director of Education for the General Board of Higher Education & Ministry of the United Methodist Church. He is also Visiting Professor of Missiology, World Christianity, and Methodist Studies at Wesley, where he teaches courses in mission and evangelism, world Christianity, and Methodist history and doctrine. He served as Dean at Wesley from 2018-2022. Wingeier-Rayo was born in Singapore to missionary parents and grew up in Evanston, Illinois. He earned a double major in Human Relations and Spanish from Earlham College, a M.T.S. from Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary, and a M.Th. from Seminario Evangélico de Teología in Cuba before earning a Ph.D. in Theology, Ethics and Culture from Chicago Theological Seminary. His teaching and scholarship is informed by 15 years of missionary service where he served with the General Board of Global Ministries in Nicaragua, Cuba, Mexico and the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas. Wingeier-Rayo has published five books, including Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico (Pickwick Publications, 2011) and The Bible Through the Eyes of John Wesley (Upper Room/Discipleship Resources, 2019). His most recent publication is John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions (Abingdon Press, 2025). Wingeier-Rayo and his wife, Diana, reside outside of Washington DC and have three adult children and one son-in-law.Books:John Wesley and the Origins of Methodist Missions, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2025.La Evangelización y la Misión de Dios: Una Teología Bíblica, Nashville, TN: Wesley’s Foundery Books.2020.La Biblia a través de los ojos de Juan Wesley: 52 clases de discipulado para pequeños grupos, withforeword by Justo González, Nashville, TN: Upper Room, 2019.Where are the Poor? A Comparison of the Ecclesial Base Communities and Pentecostalism—A Case Study in Cuernavaca, Mexico, Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2011.Cuban Methodism: The Untold Story of Survival and Revival, Atlanta, GA: Dolphins and Orchids,2006.Be sure to check out Philip Wingeier-Rayo 's new book for deeper insights and stay tuned for more inspiring episodes!

In this enlightening Because for Lent 2026 episode of To Be and Do, host Philip Amerson reflects on the evolving landscape of education, morality, and the role of faith organizations. Drawing inspiration from an article by Jay Caspian Kang, Philip Amerson challenges listeners to reconsider where our values and sense of morality are truly cultivated, especially during the Lenten season.Here are three key takeaways from the episode:1. Universities Aren’t the Sole Keepers of MoralityPhilip Amerson explores Kang’s provocative assertion that universities have replaced the church as homes for liberal morality. He clarifies that “liberal” here refers not to politics, but to wide-mindedness and the ability to see the broader picture. Yet, he warns that universities may not be doing enough to truly shape morality, especially in ways that resonate beyond academia. Instead, the detachment from deeper ethical foundations, such as those taught by spiritual traditions, reveals a gap in how values are being passed on.2. The Church’s Influence Is Alive and VitalReferencing the often-exaggerated rumors about the church’s decline, Philip Amerson humorously nods to Mark Twain’s famous quip about the rumors of his death. He asserts that mainline, Catholic, and evangelical Christianity are far from lifeless, and that there's “plenty of wiggle in our life.” Faith communities remain active and resilient, offering crucial guidance and support to those seeking moral clarity in today’s uncertain environment.3. Morality Needs Nurturing—Inside and Outside InstitutionsPhilip Amerson encourages listeners, especially during Lent, to nurture their spirits both individually and through participation in congregations or parishes. He stresses that our society needs a morality shaped not just by universities (which themselves face threats), but also by communities rooted in faith and the teachings of figures like Jesus of Nazareth. Universities can provide helpful tools and knowledge, but shouldn’t be trusted as the ultimate source of ethical guidance.Final Thought:This episode is a call to examine how we form our values, drawing from both educational and spiritual traditions. Philip Amerson reminds us that moral leadership is a shared responsibility—and that faith communities continue to play a crucial role for anyone seeking to live with integrity and purpose.Tune in for thoughtful reflections on education, morality, and the ongoing impact of faith in society.

In this episode, Philip Amerson welcomes Bob Hill, Dean of Marsh Chapel at Boston University and professor at the School of Theology, for a thoughtful conversation about the evolving landscape of theological education, the unique depth of the Gospel of John, and the ongoing importance of parish ministry and pastoral leadership. Their friendly and insightful exchange brims with wisdom from decades in ministry and teaching, and offers encouragement for all who care about the future of church life and theological reflection.Three Key Takeaways from the Episode:1. Theological Education is Evolving, but its Foundations Remain VitalBob Hill and Philip Amerson reminisce about their long involvement in theological education, noting the ever-shifting context and the valuable constancy of scriptural engagement. Bob Hill shares that despite changes in student demographics and interests, there remains a “fascination for the scripture and with and in the scripture.” Faculty at Boston University, both longstanding and new, bring energy and global perspectives, ensuring that students continue to wrestle with pivotal texts and ideas. The episode highlights the importance of not just academic study but also spiritual and pastoral formation for future church leaders.2. The Gospel of John: Embracing Difference and DepthA portion of the conversation dives into the uniqueness of the Gospel of John. Bob Hill reveals that the one word he wants his students to remember is “different,” emphasizing the Gospel's mysterious and multi-layered nature. Both speakers reflect on the many “twists and turns” in Johannine literature and encourage new and seasoned readers alike to remain open to the Gospel’s depths, rather than simply seeking quick summaries or easy conclusions. This approach, they argue, mirrors the complexity and wonder at the heart of faith.3. Reclaiming the ‘Romance’ and Civic Power of Parish MinistryThe episode addresses changing attitudes toward parish ministry, as fewer students pursue traditional parish roles. Yet both Philip Amerson and Bob Hill make a compelling case for the privilege and beauty of local church leadership, describing it as an opportunity to “speak about what we don’t speak enough about in civil society.” They also highlight the role of clergy as “citizen advocates,” nurturing civil society and providing a grounding, hopeful voice in times of change and resistance. The conversation ends with an appreciation for poetry’s power to nourish the soul and sustain hope.To Be and Do continues to offer thoughtful dialogue for those engaged in ministry, theological study, and the life of the church. This episode is rich with practical wisdom, inspiration, and a spirit of honest, hopeful inquiry.

OverviewIn this short but meaningful “Because” episode, Phil Amerson invites listeners to reflect on the start of the Lenten season, centering the conversation on what it truly means to be in community, both within a local church and in our personal spiritual journeys. With heartfelt honesty, he shares his personal practices and previews engaging voices for upcoming episodes who will help deepen our understanding of parish life, preaching, and global missions.Three Takeaways1. Reimagining Lent and Parish InvolvementPhil Amerson opens up about the temptation many face to simply "watch church" at home and challenges us to engage more deeply with a local congregation or parish. He gently nudges listeners to consider their place within a faith community—not just as observers, but as participants actively involved in ministry and mutual support. This focus sets the tone for the Lenten season as an opportunity to return to foundational experiences of worship, preaching, and collective renewal.2. Lent as a Time for Spiritual Reflection and Letting GoA major theme of this episode is intentional reflection and the practice of letting go. Phil Amerson shares his own decision to step away from social media—deactivating his Facebook account—as an act of making space for prayer, reading, and rest. He encourages listeners to consider what they might “put down” during Lent, suggesting that the season is less about arbitrary self-denial and more about carving out time for what matters most: spiritual growth, a renewed relationship with God, and focusing on truly important things.3. Embracing Grace and Moving Away from Performance-Based TheologyA powerful segment in the episode is Phil Amerson’s call to set aside “lousy theology” that centers on the idea of earning salvation. He reminds listeners that the core of Christian faith is recognizing that God’s love and acceptance are already present—not something to be achieved through our efforts. The real invitation, as Phil puts it, is to “live as if God loves us,” trusting in grace and turning toward renewal and transformation, both individually and as faith communities.Coming Up Next:Stay tuned for conversations with future guests, including Dr. Bob Hill (Dean, Marsh Chapel at Boston University), Philip Wengai Ruo (global missions author), Rachel Matheny (pastor at Meridian Street UMC), and Tim Sorens (Executive Director, Parish Collective). Their insights will deepen our exploration of what it means to be and do in faith, ministry, and beyond.Thanks for listening to “To Be snd Do.” May this Lenten season inspire you to find your place—in church, community, and soul.

To Be and Do PodcastHosts: Philip AmersonGuest: Bob HillIn this heartfelt episode of the To Be and Do Podcast, Philip Amerson welcomes Bob Hill, Dean of Marsh Chapel and Professor of New Testament and Pastoral Theology at Boston University School of Theology. The conversation is rich in warmth, humor, and insights, exploring the role of university chaplaincy, the state of mainline Christianity, and the vital importance of honest and hopeful preaching in today’s world.We begin with light banter—Indiana University colors, snow in Bloomington, and the legacy of great preaching. Philip Amerson shares how he and his wife tune in to hear Bob Hill’s sermons, emphasizing the significant impact that thoughtful preaching has on their Sunday ritual. This sets the stage for a deep dive into the unique challenges and joys of serving as Dean at Marsh Chapel within a multi-faith university environment.Key Takeaways:The Power of Consistent Preaching:Bob Hill underscores how essential the weekly act of preaching is—a “fine sermon, 22 minutes of hope and honesty,” delivered every seven days, can be transformative for both the preacher and the congregation. He encourages preachers to find strength in this rhythm, knowing their quiet, steady work is deeply valued.Community and Connection Matter:Through a personal story about his sixth-grade teacher visiting him during a difficult time, Bob Hill reveals the restorative power of caring community. The episode reminds us that ministry isn’t just about Sunday sermons but about small acts of presence and kindness, especially around shared grief.Challenges of Mainline Christianity:The decline of mainline church membership and the shift toward management—rather than genuine community—is discussed. Both Philip Amerson and Bob Hill reflect on how excellence in preaching and authentic connection can help restore hope in these traditions.Honesty and Hope in the Pulpit:In a time marked by political and cultural challenges, Bob Hill shares his commitment to combining “brutal honesty” about societal realities with “unflinching hope” in his sermons. He acknowledges the tension between these values but insists the church must hold them in balance.As the episode wraps, listeners are invited to join Marsh Chapel’s services online, especially if they find themselves snowed in or searching for a word of hope. The episode stands as a testament to the enduring significance of faith, preaching, and community—and the voices who keep these alive.Links to Bob Hill’s books and work will be shared on the podcast blog.

Show Notes: To Be snd Do In this heartfelt "Because" episode of "To Be and Do," Philip Amerson explores the current reality of the American church, drawing insights from books and sociological perspectives while offering a message of hope. The conversation is anchored by reflections on Ryan Burge's newest book, The Vanishing Church, and the shifting role of faith communities in today's society.Episode Summary:Philip Amerson opens by sharing two books that have been making an impact in discussions around faith in America—Separation of Church and Hate by John Fugelsang and The Vanishing Church by Ryan Burge. He dives deeper into Burge's analysis, bringing his own critique and optimism to the conversation. While acknowledging the decline in mainline churches and reflecting on changes since the mid-20th century, Philip Amerson offers a counter-narrative grounded in the ongoing, meaningful work of congregations nationwide.Three Key Takeaways:Changing Demographics Shaped Church Growth and DeclinePhilip Amerson points out that the rise and fall of mainline church attendance is strongly tied to broader sociological shifts. After World War II, churches flourished due to larger families and increased community focus (01:44). But as family sizes shrank in subsequent decades, the physical and social structures of churches had to adapt—highlighting the importance of context in understanding religious trends.Faith Communities Are More Than CommoditiesChallenging the tendency to measure church health only through numbers, Philip Amerson urges listeners to see faith as a community to be built rather than a commodity to be counted (02:29). He stresses that the deep, transformative work of congregations isn’t always captured by statistics, and that real growth and hope exist in places where faith is nurtured as a communal experience.A Message of Hope: Slow Growth, Deep ImpactDespite data showing decline, Philip Amerson believes there are many churches quietly thriving through small, steady steps. He references the ministry of Rev. Dr. Brad Miller and other congregations as examples of hope and meaningful change (02:43). The episode closes with a reminder that what churches offer—faith, love, and transformation—cannot be measured in gold or silver, but in the value they bring to lives and communities.Tune in for an uplifting exploration of the complexities facing today’s church, a critical look at statistical analyses, and encouraging stories of faith in action.

In this timely and candid episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Philip Amerson sits down with immigration attorney Christie Popp to unpack the evolving—and often alarming—landscape of asylum and immigration policy in the U.S. today. Christie Popp, a founding attorney at Popp and Bullman in Bloomington, Indiana, offers a rare, ground-level view into the lives affected by shifting regulations, political pressure, and the consequences of silence in times of injustice.The episode dives headlong into the unsettling reality of frequent immigration law changes. Christie Popp points out that nearly 600 modifications to the immigration system have occurred in just over a year, particularly impacting asylum seekers and immigration courts. She highlights how these changes, rarely covered in-depth by mainstream media, are shifting the "rules of the game" even as vulnerable individuals' cases are pending, creating both logistical hurdles and a culture of fear.A significant portion of the conversation centers on the particular struggles of Afghans, many of whom were allies to U.S. forces and entered the country through both formal and perilous, unofficial routes. Christie Popp details how these individuals—once celebrated—are now viewed with suspicion. Their cases, along with others, are subject to delays and retroactive review, subjecting them to potential loss of status and deportation on tenuous grounds—often for actions they had no real choice but to take.The discussion broadens to address the chilling effect these policies have on free speech and public protest, especially among immigrants, academics, and their allies. The fear of being detained or targeted for voicing dissent is stifling civic engagement, even among those who are U.S. citizens. Both Philip Amerson and Christie Popp reflect on why these authoritarian patterns haven't sparked more outcry from the public and government leaders.Despite the weighty subject matter, Christie Popp offers ways to take meaningful action—supporting local organizations, contacting representatives, and lending both time and resources are all encouraged. She also shares her personal strategies for maintaining resilience and hope in such difficult work.Key Takeaways:Constantly Shifting Laws: The immigration system is changing at an unprecedented pace, making asylum increasingly inaccessible and causing confusion for both immigrants and advocates.Afghan Allies at Risk: Many Afghan asylum seekers, previously welcomed as allies, now face suspicion, paused applications, and retrospective investigations that could result in deportation.Chilling Effect on Free Speech: Fear of detention or deportation is silencing many immigrants and their allies, undermining not only immigrant rights but also America's broader democratic ideals.How to Help: Local and national organizations need support more than ever, and individual advocacy—through donations, volunteering, or political engagement—can have a significant impact.Staying Resilient:Christie Poppemphasizes the importance of self-care and community, encouraging listeners to seek sources of hope and to care for themselves as they work for justice.This episode is a vital listen for anyone concerned about the state of immigration, human rights, and democracy in the United States.https://poppbullman.com/christie-popp/contact-christie/

In this moving episode of “To Be and Do,” Philip Amerson shares a poignant reflection on faith, community, and the power of quiet resistance. Drawing from personal memories and the events in Minneapolis, Philip Amerson recounts a stirring story from Evansville, Indiana in the late 1980s. When the Ku Klux Klan attempted to sow fear and division following attacks in his neighborhood, Philip Amerson and his group, Patchwork Ministries, faced a decision that would test their commitment to faith and peaceful action.Three Key Takeaways:Gentle Resistance Can Bring Peace:Instead of protesting the Klan’s meeting using loud opposition, the faith group opted for Stella’s simple yet profound suggestion: attend the meeting, pray with people, and respond in quiet kindness. This approach, driven by empathy and faith, diffused tensions in the sanctuary and allowed attendees to see one another more clearly—reminding us that sometimes, the most transformative action is the calmest.Relationships Transform Lives:After reaching out and building relationships—even with those involved in hate groups—Philip Amerson witnessed the power of connection. Inspired by advice from Will Campbell to learn the names of Klan members and treat them as individuals, Philip Amerson eventually saw a young Klan member become a regular attendee at worship. The act of acceptance and understanding paved the way for unexpected transformation.Faith in Action Means Living Differently:The story reaches its emotional climax when the young man drops his revolver and Klan membership card into the offering plate—a symbol of profound personal change. This powerful moment underscores Philip Amerson’s central message: as people of faith, we are called to live differently, building bridges through compassion, prayer, and hope. Small acts of kindness can not only defuse hate but invite healing and redemption.Memorable Quotes:“Sometimes the message we share is one that is built around building a relationship and touching people gently and quietly…”“God bless you, just because we have the opportunity to live differently as people of faith.”Tune in for this heartfelt narrative exploring the subtle strength of faith and the capacity for redemption in every human encounter.

Show Notes: To Be and Do Podcast In this eye-opening episode of the To Be and Do podcast, hosts Philip Amerson and Phil Emerson sit down with attorney Christie Popp, a founding partner at Popp and Bullman Law Offices, to demystify the realities of immigration law and its intersection with current U.S. judicial practices. Christie Popp offers a candid, accessible overview of how immigration enforcement really works and the everyday injustices faced by immigrants—especially in Indiana and the broader United States. Whether you’re new to these topics or seeking a deeper understanding, this conversation sheds light on critical, often-misunderstood issues within our legal system.Three Major Takeaways1. The True Nature of ICE and Immigration EnforcementChristie Popp breaks down the role of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), clarifying that—contrary to common public perception—most immigration violations are civil, not criminal offenses. ICE operates differently from standard law enforcement: they don’t require a judge’s warrant to detain someone suspected of an immigration violation. Instead, a supervising ICE official alone can authorize an arrest, a stark departure from the checks and balances traditional police must follow. This gray area results in practices that skirt constitutional protections and often target individuals based on ethnicity or language.2. The Problem with Immigration Holds and Local EnforcementThe conversation delves into how local jails interact with ICE through what are called “immigration holds.” Christie Popp underscores that ICE can request local jails to detain individuals—who have already been cleared for release—for up to 48 hours purely on suspicion of a civil immigration violation. This practice leads to unconstitutional detention for civil (not criminal) reasons, trapping many non-violent individuals, often arrested for minor infractions like driving without a license, in a complicated legal web. The system is deeply flawed, as it penalizes people on civil grounds and disproportionately affects Latino communities.3. Economic Hardships Within the Detention SystemBeyond legal injustices, Christie Popp highlights the pervasive economic burdens placed on detained individuals. Many face exorbitant fees for basic necessities—such as phone calls or commissary items—in jail, and those in immigration detention centers often perform mandatory labor despite having committed no crime. These policies not only capitalize on vulnerable populations but also underscore how the criminal and immigration systems have become increasingly punitive, even toward those who are simply seeking a better life.Key Quote:“ICE is really supposed to be a civil enforcement agency; they don’t get warrants from the court... The only person who is signing off on the arrest is a supervising official within the agency.” — Christie PoppFurther Resources:Check the episode’s website for additional materials and YouTube links referenced by Philip Amerson and Christie Popp.Don’t miss this essential listen if you want to better understand the complexities of immigration law and the often-unseen obstacles faced by immigrants in America today.https://poppbullman.com/christie-popp/contact-christie/