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I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is an early morning morning. So our bozes make some a little lower. Mine might be a little extra Kardashian for you. Bye.
Those of you that like to call me a Kardashian. Kardashian Ash, that's me. That's you. You're the you're the trash Kardashian.
Oh, what I be in this podcast. I think I'm probably the Chloe of the podcast. I'm the Chloe of the family because all of your tiny little bitches. I'm just towering over with my thickness.
But you're beautiful. You're beautiful. Yes, I'm right. And all of you are beautiful.
You're gorgeous little weirdos. You really are. So I think that this is so we just we had told you last week that we're going to do one of our episodes each week for the month of October. For spooky.
It's going to be haunted and spooky. This episode is not haunted, but it sure is spooky. Most of our episodes are pretty spooky. And this one isn't haunted, but it's definitely going to haunt you afterwards.
Yeah, well, but speaking of haunted and spooky and October and wonderful things, I just wanted to quickly shout out a really good episode of a really good podcast that you should all listen to that's going to get in the mood. Because I know a lot of people like to get in the mood. Hell yeah. October got Alison from the Strange and Unusual podcast, which is a great podcast if no one's listened to it.
She just started doing she does these like series of really cool like history deep dives into like, you know, like which trials and like really spooky things. She just did an episode where she did a retelling of Sleepy Hollow. Oh shit. I haven't listened to that yet.
And it's so good. And it's called Sleepy Hollow, a region of shadows. It's episode 24. I think it's her newest one.
And she goes into like tons of stuff about fear and how it, you know, sleepy hollow clearly is all about fear and like hysteria and legend. And she goes into all of that. She talks about history and ghosts and spooky season. It's going to get you like so in the mood.
She also has one of those voices where you're like, like you can kind of like zone out while you're still listening. If that makes sense. Her voice is very soothing. It takes you where you want to go.
I always listen to her when I'm cooking dinner and it just like puts me in a very zen state. It really does. So, and then Annie gets home and is like, what is this? It's so scary.
And I'm like, I know I love it. And it's a really, it's like, it's a really well produced show too. And like she has like spooky music in the background. She does a little sound effects that will spook you out.
So she's part of our family. She is. To tell you guys about awesome other creators. So go listen to it.
Hell yeah. I think besides that, what do we have to, we don't have anything to announce today. If you wait for next week's episode, I'll have something. You'll be Wednesday's episode.
We have some good nails. We're gonna have some really good nails. So hang tight for that. And I think that's going to be a haunted episode.
I'm pretty sure. So I'm going to explain it for that. I'll get an excited for that. One thing I just wanted to mention from a couple of episodes ago.
I think we made a joke because in the case, we were talking about like these kids, like pretty young teenage kids that were like sniffing glue. And we got in a discussion about how you would go about sniffing glue. And we made a joke about a J.O.K.E. About Elmer's glue.
Like, whoa, are all these kindergartners just getting high? If you really think that I think kindergartners are getting fucked up in craft class, girl, I just wanted to say like we normally wouldn't comment on this because we've honestly taken on like no reaction to bullshit policy. But this one has really. And this one has honestly invaded our reviews now.
So I feel like it's like people are reviewing on iTunes and literally giving us one stars and being like, how dare you not know what sniffing glue is? Which I was like, what? Sorry that I didn't know that. But what we just wanted to clear up was that was a joke.
Right. We were doing a bit a little bit between us. We were doing a bit. We know that sniffing glue is what sniffing glue is.
We understand it gets you high. I think we were like pondering exactly how that works. Yeah, we were pondering the mechanism by which you get high from the glue. But I definitely use Elmer's glue.
I know that you don't get high from it. Like it's we know that. So I just wanted to put that out there. For all the people that were really nice about it, we're like, let me explain it to you.
We appreciate that. Because we asked for that. But what we asked for is like the nastiness. I was like, Jesus, I have no idea whole community of people that sniff glue or have sniffed glue.
We're going to get so offended by us. So long enough. It's just really shocking. The glue community.
Fucking the glue. More bit. The glue community strikes back. Right.
So I just wanted to say it was a joke. I promise. Don't worry. We understand.
We're not completely ignorant to everything around us. I really promise you that. Yeah, definitely not. But I just thought that was really funny.
And as soon as I sat in the reviews, I was like, I kind of say something. Because I just want people to know like we're not that dumb. So I think we should I think that's really all we had to talk about. Yeah, we should get into it.
But we're going to get right into it. Initially, I was doing another case like all the way up until the last minute for this one. I'm still going to do that case. I might do it next week.
But like we've said before, you have to be like, you have to be in the mood to tell a certain case and to research a certain case. And then all of a sudden this other case just floated around my my little sphere of knowledge. And I was like, oh, and I just plucked it out of the universe. And I was like, that's scariest book.
And then when I started researching it, I was like, whoa, whoa. So what we're going to talk about today is the Chicago Ripper crew. A crew of Rippers. This is a crew.
And this is what this is what astounded me the most because there's four men involved in this. Holy shit. And they all work together. Yeah.
Wow. So this was kind of like a cult. So it's actually like a satanic cult is what they were calling it. And but they kind of just made up their own shit.
Like they called it a satanic cult, but it was just a cult of fucked up serial killers. Really cool. That's what it was. But so weird that they all found each other.
That's what's astounding to me. Like you'll see too. It's even weird when two people. Yeah, like Henry Lucas and Otis tool and like, you know, the toolbox murders, which we'll cover soon eventually.
But you're always like, how do two people and like Hillside strangleers, how do you find two people? I know that have that depraved of sensibility that they're going to. Right. And how do you even like bring that up with another person?
That's what's great. I think that's my main thing is I'm like, how did you all find this out? They're both equally fucked up and four people do that fucked up. Yeah.
And when you look into it, it seems like the way it is brought into each other's attention is like one of them just like goes out on a limb. And it's like, hey, you want to go kill this girl with me? And the other one's like, holy. That's so great that you said that because I would think that the whole time.
Well, it's like the in-brady thing how he went to, but like just the pub and was like, tell him this guy, like, I want to kill someone. You want to join the ship? And they were like, no. Yeah.
Like I guess you just got to go out on a limb and see people that suppose. But yeah, so this is one of the situations. It really sounded me. And not only that it's four people that kill women, which is what we'll see.
They kill a lot of women. But it's four people men who kill women in a really brutal way. Great. Really weird that four of them came together.
It's like eight o'clock in the morning right now. Let's do this. Let's do this. So before I begin, I just want to give a real big warning.
This is a very brutal one. There is sexual assault. There is rape. There's mutilation.
This is a very big look, just so you know. So if you're not thinking that you feel like you want to deal with it right now, you know, you can go away and come back and like, come again, please. Come again when you feel like you can deal with it because we know the world sucks right now. Sometimes you don't want to listen to that.
But we hope you do because it feels it's cathartic. So this takes place in 1981 till roughly 1982. OK, so yeah, it's like, boom, boom, but they really did. They did it.
So we'll begin on May 23, 1981. This is when 26 year old Linda Sutton, who was a mother of two and worked as a sex worker. She had been living with her mother at the time that she went missing. She had gone missing 10 days before her body was found.
Oh, wow. And it was found on May 23. The way that it was found was people at this motel called the Rip Van Winkle Motel. Oh, it's the Rip Van Winkle Motel in Villa Park, Illinois.
They started and it's a really creepy hotel. I think it's renamed the Briar Rabbit Hotel because they didn't want to be associated with rippers. Probably not. But it's Rip Van Winkle is like an old like tail of like sleepy.
It's like a tail about sleep. Oh, so it technically doesn't have anything to do with like ripping. Yeah, it's just the name of the person. But yeah, you can put it together for sure.
But people at the motel were smelling a foul odor. Oh, no. And they weren't able to find anything in the motel. So they were like, what is going on here?
And people were thinking, you know, it's in a kind of a rural area. There's like big fields around it. So they were like, maybe it's a dead deer. Yeah.
That's just like behind the place. So they ended up checking it out and they found a woman's body behind the motel face down in a field. Her hands were handcuffed behind her back. She was she was mutilated, like very mutilated.
There were cuts all over her left and right breasts and her left breast had been severed. Oh my goodness. Completely. She's like down to the chest wall.
There was several cut marks all over her. She had been I mean, her sweater was torn in several places. She had no pants on her underwear was down around her knees, like pulled down intentionally. $17 was tucked into her sock.
And she had been repeatedly raped. It was obvious. Repeatedly sexually assaulted. They had to use dental records to identify her.
Oh my goodness. And on June 1st, 1981, pathologist Peter Sykman was the one on scene and he said that she had been dead for three days when they found her. So they had held her alive and tortured her for upwards of a week before that. That's what I was going to say because she went missing 10 days earlier.
Right. Yeah. So a week. Oh my God.
So Dr. David Barrett, the director of pathology at Central DuPage Hospital, he did the autopsy. He said quote, and this is from the court documents. It said quote, the victims breasts and interior chest wall were absent and several ribs were in disarray.
Dr. Barrett found nicks or cuts on a number of the victims ribs, which could have been caused by a sharp, belated object. Dr. Barrett concluded that the victim had died as a result of stab wounds and blood loss associated with the steps.
Holy cow. So cause of death was multiple stab wounds. Catherine Rimsland, who she's the one that we talked about with BTK a lot. Yeah.
She's amazing. Right. Like I love her. She read the book, right?
Yeah. And she communicated with him. She's just she's so brilliant. Like I love her.
And I watched about this that removing the breast is like a very significant thing. Yeah, it is. Like this is not just something that somebody would do is like, Oh, I'm going to try this out. Whoop.
Like, you know, it's not it's not like a mommy issue. It could be a mommy issue or that she said it's more of like a paraffilia, which is like, she said it could be that that's something that like it's like she described as like a sexual deviance where somebody gets aroused by like very strange objects and things. Like things that are not normal to be aroused by like removing a breast from a body. Right.
She also said it could be symbolic or ritualistic because this part of the human body some people look at as being inherently female, even though it's just like a lump of fat. But okay. And so they look at it as like removing the female part of you, like one of the things that makes you a female, you know, so it could be and somebody, you know, dumb like this would think that. And it also could be a trophy or a momento because we've seen if they keep the booth, some of them will keep that kind of shit.
And if you look back at Jack the Ripper, which we haven't covered yet, but we definitely will. I know it blows my mind that we haven't got yet, but I'm like, well, it's such a big one. It is. That's a multi-part line for sure.
So when you look back at Jack the Ripper, his last victim, Mary Kelly, he removed the dress. And everything. And everything. So that's something like it's just like that's a connection for sure means something.
It definitely does. So kind of unfortunately nothing really, you know, what we see with this is this crew went after, you know, people that were going to be considered less dead a lot of the time. It's not always sometimes they. I don't think there was really a method to their madness.
I think that they probably went more towards, you know, sex workers, drug addicts and people that they felt were not going to be missed. Right. They were wrong, right, thankfully, but they definitely went for sex workers a lot. And I think that was just for ease of getting them into the vehicle.
Right. Unfortunately, but you know, with people like Linda Sutton, the case was just going cold because it was not a lot of places they could look. She had family, but they didn't know a lot about her whereabouts. I know what she was going to be doing.
They probably didn't know like her route that she took her everything like that. Yeah. So unfortunately, the case went cold. Then one year later on May 15th, 1982, a 21 year old woman named Lorraine Lorri Barrowski, she went missing.
And she went missing in a crazy way because it was broad daylight. Oh, shit. Now she had blue eyes, brown hair. She was a manager, an office manager at a real estate office.
She was abducted in the middle of the day in the parking lot, well, not in the middle of the morning, in the parking lot in front of the real estate office that she worked out. Holy shit. So she's literally just like outside of her job. Oh, yeah.
She showed up to her office and it was in like a plaza too. Like not just a stand-off. I'm picturing like the plaza that I used to work in and just walking into work. That's literally what it was.
It's like a plaza. You're surrounded by other places. How many of you right now are sitting in your car in the plaza at work? Exactly.
Like waiting to go in. And that's exactly what she was doing. She showed up in the morning, early morning before 830 and she was going to be opening the place because she was the manager, the office manager. And she showed up and she was never seen again.
But so what happened was her boss, Don Stibb, came to work around 845 and he saw that she wasn't there and that the door was unlocked. He was like, so she hasn't shown up. And she came to work every day. She was on time.
So they were like, what's going on? Then he looked over at the parking lot and he saw a bunch of makeup scattered on the ground, her both of her shoes, her high heels and the keys. And he was like, oh, what the hell. Can you imagine stumbling across that and be like, first being like, oh, that's so strange that the door is locked.
That's not like her. And then you turn around and you're like, oh, I know exactly what happened. Yeah. And they would happen.
They must have literally ambushed her. Right. And she was just getting out of her car to unlock the door. How do you?
And again, in the morning. Right. That's scary or somehow. So scary.
Yeah. Because you're never safe at that point. No. When you look at it that way, you're like, we're literally never safe.
No. So it was reported to the Elmhurst Police Department when her coworkers found all this and were like, holy shit. Right. So her mother Lorraine said they went looking for her immediately.
They went to her apartment. They searched everywhere. They did missing persons flyers. Where they were huge searches.
Her mother, I watched this documentary, her mother was so sad watching her mother. She said she was like, I just like stopped sleeping. Of course. Which I was like, of course you did.
I know we talked about that so much with mums of victims. You could ever sleep again. You just never even close my eyes. Right?
A lot of people say that they like never get into bed again. They just fall asleep wherever. Whatever they are, shut down. Cause you can't just calm down.
And she also said, and this is the part that really because she like her voice broke when she said this. She said she carried around a white sheet with her. So she said if I found her I could cover her. Oh my God.
That's just like wow. Yeah. I just have to make that. to even think about that as a mom, just to be like, if I find her, I need to cover her up.
That's the ultimate caregiver. It really is. And her voice broke when she said it. And I was like, oh, baby.
And her name is Lorraine. I got it was named after her. It's just like, oh, she's like, it just really broke my heart. So Detective John Milner worked on this case.
And he's a detective. He's also a certified investigative hypnotist. Oh, shit. That's cool.
And they use it to try to get things out of people's subconscious. It's obviously controversial. Some people believe this stuff. Some people don't.
He did hypnotize people that were working around the area. Because a lot of them were like, I might have seen something. I don't know what's significant or what isn't. Because you just don't think about it.
You're not looking for those kind of things. You're coughing when your coffee hasn't hit yet. You're showing up to work in the morning. You're not thinking you're going to see someone abducted.
So a shop owner in the plaza, in the same plaza, I think they worked right next to the real estate office. His name was Frederick Moberly. And he was like, Moberly? Frederick Moberly said he did under hypnosis.
He said, I did see a red like orangey van that was very strange in the area during that time. And I think it has something to do with it. I fucking hate vans. I hate if you drive a van.
Get rid of it. Every time I see a van. Because I read the toolbox murders way too early in my life. And they had that van murder Mac.
That's so fucking stupid. And they like, oh, it just reminds me of that. And it freaks me the fuck out. I remember being little and my mom being super freaked out by white vans.
Because you're just taught that from an early age. And there was always cases where it was white van. That the suspect was driving. Of course.
And then it gets put into other cases where it's like, I think he was driving a white van. Just because everybody's scared of him. It's always a fucking white van. So this van lead, they had it.
But there was really not a ton to go on. It wasn't panning out. They weren't really able to do it out. But they were working hard on this case.
So two weeks later, May 29, 1982, a 30-year-old woman named Shoo Mac went missing. And she had been driving with her brother. And this was around 1 AM, I think. They were driving home from somewhere.
From what I read in a couple places, they got into a little argument in the car, her and her brother. And I told her to get out of the car and walk. Oh, geez. And so she got out of the car.
That was the last time she was seen. Oh, her poor brother. But she's about to live with you. I can't imagine having that guilt.
So her body was found four months later. In a shallow grave in the woods. And a pathologist employed by the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office, performed the autopsy. His name was Dr.
You pill, Choy. He said quote, and this is from court documents. He said quote, found there were multiple fractures of the victim's skull, which he attributed to trauma from a blunt instrument. Dr.
Choy also found two superficial fractures of the six and seventh ribs on the left side in the high stomach area in a complete transaction of the right forearm bone. The cause of death was blunt trauma to the head and fracture of the ribs. Geez. Two weeks later, June 13, 1982, a sex worker identified only in court documents as HC.
I could not find her name. Probably because she's a survivor of this. Oh, shit. She was picked up in a red or a G van by two men.
According to the court documents, it says quote, after entering the van, the defendant, who I will tell you the defendant is later, you will. I will, told her to remove her clothing, handcuffed her wrists and ankles, and forced her to commit a deviate sexual act by forcing his penis into her mouth. Oh, gosh. He told her if she moved, he would cut her with a knife he had in his hand, defended an ordered HC to tightly wrap pantyhose around her breasts, and ordered her to stab herself in the left breast with a knife while he held the gun to her head.
What? He then cut the hole larger and committed a second act of deviate sexual assault by basically having sex with the hole in her chest. What? Yes.
That is something that we find out later is a hallmark of these men. Is they will remove the breast, which we find out later, they remove it by using usually a length of piano wire to slice it off. What? And then they will have sex with the wounds they make in the woman's chest.
Oh, my goodness. What the fuck? Yeah. I said it before, and I'll say it.
How did four people like this find each other? Well, it seems, and we'll find out later that this is kind of a culty situation where these other men followed this one man. It's like an initial. Not an initiative initiation, but I mean, holy shit.
What? The actual fight. I don't know what to do. And this woman lived through this.
Oh, my god. I hope she was able to get some kind of reconstructive injury. I hope she was able to get a lot of help after this. Seriously.
Because then the defendant told her to get out of the van, threw her clothes out of the van, and drove away. Just tossed her out of the van. Like, that's not sexual assault. That's a whole different.
Oh, it's honestly beyond words. I don't know what you kind of realized that. I don't even know how you would categorize that. I would categorize that.
Right. It's a very deviant sexual assault. That's all you can think of. Not even.
Like, what? Well, and she had said one man in particular, which we will learn about later. He was the ringleader, was very aroused by watching her cut her own breast. And we find out later that is a thing that he is into.
He likes to watch the mutilation of a breast. That's so bizarre. And he then duct taped her wounds closed before throwing her out of the van. Oh, and then you think of how much that would hurt afterwards?
Yep. And obviously, she went to the police and told them everything she could. Right. The quiet when you finally switch off.
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Her body was found next to the Chicago River. She had her hands tied behind her back. She had been tortured just like the others, raped. And they found, and this is really horrific.
I warned you ahead of time, guys. They found a broken wine bottle inserted inside of her. Oh my god. Her brow was wrapped tightly around her throat.
And like every other victim, her left breast was sliced off. Oh my god. Is it always the left one? It's always the left one.
That's weirdly enough. I don't know if it's the one because it's like more over your heart. I suppose that's what I was going to ask. Because I guess your heart's not perfectly centered.
Yeah. So September 8, 1982, 30-year-old Rose Beck Davis was kidnapped and murdered. She was a marketing executive. So it's like we see total all different kinds, you know, like sex workers, marketing executives, and office manager, 18-year-olds, white women, black women.
There's a wide range. Because many of these women were black. Many of these women were white. There was no victim profile really.
Which is woman. That's all it was. Makes you think like, how fucking crazy are you? Oh, yeah.
Because when there's no victim profile, I feel like that is the most terrifying. Yeah, it's only it's like when there's no motive, it's scary. It's like Billy Loomis says it is scarier when there's no motive. It is.
And Catherine Ramsland in the documentary I saw said she was like, there was literally no woman was safe. Well, that's the thing. You could be plucked and you weren't safe in the middle of the morning. Right.
Around day like. Around tons of people. Yeah, that's so fucked up. I can't imagine.
And they said that Chicago was in a state of fucking just terror. Pure terror at this point because you had no idea. So Rose Beck Davis, she was a marketing executive. She was founded in an alley.
She had been tortured and raped just like the other ones. There was deep wounds and slashes to both of her breasts. And I read in some things that her left breast was removed. Other things I just wrote that I just read that they were both mutilated.
So either way, something they definitely focused on the chest. Even worse, her face had been hacked with a hatchet. Holy shit. Yes.
And what they found out later was that many of these injuries and tortures were inflicted anti-mortem. They were inflicted before they died. Oh, wow. Yeah, because they're just straight up torturing them.
It's not like they killed them and then removed the breast to keep it was while they did it. While they were alive. For ultimate torture, which is just beyond. Oh my god.
Yeah. So one month later, October 6th, 1982, an 18-year-old named Beverly Washington was founded in an alley. But she was founded alive. What?
She had been working as a sex worker. That's how they picked her up. The only reason I'm mentioning the sex worker work is because this is how they were picked up. Yeah.
She had the same wounds. Her left breast had been sliced off. Her right breast had been covered with stab and slice wounds. She was alive, like I said, but she had definitely been left for dead.
They thought she was. She couldn't speak. She was in such critical condition. Wow.
They literally had her on a ventilator at point. Like she was in the hospital completely incapacitated, but she made it. She did make it. And not only that, this badass was able to tell police details, not by speaking because she couldn't speak.
She used signals and wrote down things for them. Holy shit. Yes girl. Well, in the hospital, hooked up to a million things, can't speak.
She's like, I'm going to get this. She's like, I'm going to get this fucker. And this is Beverly. This is Beverly Washington.
She is a young, how old was she? 18-year-old black woman and she fucking killed it. Beva. Yeah.
She was she was vital. Good. Good. That makes me so happy.
I'm so glad somebody was able to just like book off. Yeah. That's always the best. It's like the not the toolbox, the toy box.
Yes. When she was alive and got out. It's like fuck you. Because you always want that survivor to be able to take him down.
Absolutely. I hate that they went through it, but I'm glad they were able to be the ones because they're a survivor. So she said that they were kidnapped in a red van just like this. So we're already seeing everything's connected.
Handcuffed her hands behind her back, forced a ton of pills down her throat at gunpoint. That's weird. Which we find out later some of the people, because a couple of these guys admit to it later. And they do say we would throw pills down their throat, but they never really told what they would throw down their throat.
So you don't know what the purpose is. No, I'm assuming just to keep them docile. Like sometimes docile and like, yeah, some kind of sedative to just make it easier, but not strong enough to like make them pass out. Exactly.
She was then taken to some room in a house. She said, tied to a bed. Oh my god. Four men raped her several times and tortured her.
She said one of the men then took a length of piano wire, tightened it around her bleph breast and kept squeezing until she passed out from pain. Oh my god. She said she passed out from pain and they must have thought they killed her. Because when she woke up, she was in the hospital.
That's the next thing she remembers. They did. They removed it. She said the red, the van was red.
And she mentioned that between the front and back of the van, there was a wooden partition that was built. And she said that the front mirror had two long blue and white feathers hanging from it. Like she was able to stay all these details. That's awesome.
So an APB goes out and all points bulletin for the van. Now that like we have all these details, it's not just a red van. Look for these feathers. Look for a partition.
These are like really big details. That's great. So five days after this, October 10th, 1982, Lorraine was found, 21 year old Lorraine, who was the one that was kidnapped outside of her real estate office because they had no, they hadn't found her at this point. She was found finally.
Oh, five days after Beverly. Was her mom able to cover her. She was found in Clerid and Hill Cemetery. And she had that place had already been searched several times.
Oh, wow. And her mother said I was 10 feet away from her body and I didn't know it. Is there any chance that they were keeping her and then they put her there? What they think, she was an unused part of the cemetery.
Oh, okay. So they kind of did hide her. Okay. But I guess they just didn't look that place.
But she was found with her left breast removed. Her shirt was raised and her brow was lowered intentionally. Professor of Physical Anthropology at Northern Illinois University, Frank Orlowski, conducted the autopsy. He said he thought her chest had been repeatedly stabbed with an ice pick.
Oh, yes. And nose was broken and there was also stab wounds to her back that also looked like they were inflicted with an ice pick. Wow. So they used several different weapons to your back.
Yeah. So 10 days after this, Chicago detectives are out and they spot a Dodge van. That's red. They peek in there.
They see it has a wooden partition and there's the feathers hanging from the mirror. I mean, I'm glad that they're this stupid first of all. You're going to drive a red vehicle. Exactly.
Like a red van. Then you're going to go ahead and put feathers in there. It's like, why don't you make it more obvious? I'm glad that they did.
But like, I guess they tried to tint the windows a little, but you could see it's not stupid. Yeah. And the driver is 21 year old Edward Spritzer, 21 year old, 21 years old. When they pull him over, he's like super twitchy and he's like, and so he says immediately, he's like, this van isn't mine, by the way.
Okay. And the cops are like, okay, cool. Why are you driving it then? Like that doesn't help your case.
That's not yours. Legal. Like that's theft. And he was like, oh, no, no, no.
It's my boss's van and I'm driving it for him and they're like, okay, well, who is your boss? And his boss is Robin, Robin get. So Robin get, apparently he's a little older than this, like probably about like 10 years or so. So he's like 30.
He's like a carpenter and electrician and like a contractor at times, like just kind of like an all around handyman. And before I get into Robin, I want to quickly get into how Robin and Edward met, like how they became, how he came to be driving his van. So Edward was living at the time in the Rip Van Winkle Motel and now called the Briar Rabbit Motel. And he was working at a donut shop part time and he said, he was working, he was working here that he met Robin.
Sure. He said Robin would come into the shop often late, like on his way home from work and get a donut or something. And one night Edward's car wouldn't start and Robin happened to be the one in the shop late at night. And he agreed to give him a ride home to Chicago.
So it's going to get rough from here. It's pretty rough. So I just want to keep warning it's going to continue. We're not going to get a lot of downtime for the food.
So yeah, so that's how they met initially. And then he eventually started working for him doing little jobs. That's how he became driving that van. He also considered working for Robin to be doing this with Robin, this stuff with the women.
Yeah, that was their cool job. He considered like we work together. So they bring in so immediately they go to Robin's house. He leads them to Robin's house because he's like, now he's trying to save his own house.
Yeah, of course. So they go to Robin's house. They find out that Robin matches the description that Beverly Washington gave them perfectly. Wow.
And right now, all they have is sure they have the van that matches perfectly. They have him that matches perfectly. They need some evidence. They need her to identify him.
Right. So and he's denying it. He said he has a wife and three children. Oh my God.
He says I was home with my wife that night. No, you weren't. And when they look over his van some more, they were like, okay, we need a little bit more to like go by here. Not only was everything matching perfectly, but then they noticed that the inside handles were intentionally modified to make sure you couldn't open them from the inside.
So you couldn't get out once you were in. Of course. And they were modified to do that. That's fucking terrifying.
That's like bone collector shit. If anyone's seen the bone collector, it's not a great movie. My biggest fear when I get into like a ride share is like I look at the lock because in that movie the guy is like a cab driver and he has shaved down the locks to be razors. So you can't unlock it.
And if you do, you slice your finger. Oh my God. And it always makes me think of that. So this immediately maybe think of that.
So they speak to him. They go over everything, but he's got to be released. Right. I don't have anything to do.
There's nothing. So they start to dig deeper. He's often been seen at the Rip Van Winkle Motel with Edward. So and again, this is where Linda Sutton was.
I was going to say, so they talked to the manager of the Rip Van Winkle Hotel and they're like, you know, can you tell me anything? And he says, yeah, they often came here. It was him, Robin, with three other men that they're often here. They would get rooms that were connected to each other and then they would just like have crazy parties.
Okay. So he said the one who mentioned that he was actually the one that mentioned that he thought they were in some kind of like satanic cults. Okay. He was like, they give me that vibe.
And he's like, what is that vibe? Exactly. Which that's exactly what I thought. I was like, what?
How does one give a satanic cult vibe? Right. Unless you're coming in there just being like, like holding the satanic Bible and like, like throwing blood at someone, I'm not really sure what, how you would immediately be like, I think they're going to say it. Well, or is this just like a West Memphis three deal and he walked in wearing a fucking metallic shirt?
Because it is the early 80s and it's like what's going on here. Right. So but it did a freaked amount. He said they freaked them out.
So he had a good instinct. I was going to say, you got to trust your gut. Someone freaked out. Go the other way.
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