EPISODE · Apr 26, 2026 · 34 MIN
How Narcissists Control You (Jackie Miller)
from Phoenix and Flame Podcast · host Dana Skaggs
Jackie Miller is wandering her own weed-filled backyard in her pajamas and slippers, late afternoon in the middle of summer, hasn't showered, hasn't eaten, and can't quite remember how she got there, worn down by exactly the hidden tactics narcissists use to control you. That's the moment Jackie, a high-conflict divorce coach and post-separation abuse strategist, names as her wake-up call, a year and a half into rebuilding after 16 and a half years married to a man who chipped away at her a little at a time: what she calls "death by a thousand paper cuts." If you've ever wondered why the people around you can't seem to see it happening, this episode names every one of them. Jackie survived that 16.5-year emotionally, verbally, and financially abusive marriage, then a grueling two-and-a-half-year high-conflict divorce, and now helps women "escape toxic entanglements, reclaim their energy, and win without playing the narcissist's game." We get into the "frog in boiling water" beginning (whirlwind love bombing, married within 18 months), the financial control that left her name off every account after 16 years of marriage, and how the abuse didn't stop at separation, it just moved into the courtroom. You'll also hear my "meat hook" visual for the moment a narcissist tries to bait you back into a fight, and the simple written record that helped Jackie hold onto the truth when the self-doubt crept back in. Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEPkqRqbww In this episode Why the "frog in boiling water" beginning makes it so hard to see narcissistic abuse while you're inside it How financial control can leave you with zero access to money after 16-plus years of marriage Why abuse often escalates after separation, and how narcissists weaponize the court system to keep control Dana's "meat hook" visual for refusing to take the bait when someone tries to trigger you The "false narratives" a narcissist installs in you, and how to spot the remote control they're still pushing Why keeping a written record of what actually happened can keep you sane when the doubt creeps back in Timestamps (00:01) Welcome and introducing high-conflict divorce coach Jackie Miller (01:40) The "frog in boiling water": love bombing, whirlwind courtship, and the devaluing stage (03:25) Financial abuse: 16.5 years married with her name on nothing (05:45) Filing for divorce, and the post-separation abuse that followed (07:38) Rock bottom: wandering the backyard in pajamas, unable to function (12:29) The covert mask: why friends and family don't see it (15:19) Smear campaigns, and how narcissists plant seeds early (21:37) The out-of-body epiphany: watching the manipulation from outside herself (22:37) Dana's "meat hook" visual for not engaging with triggers (24:13) The "false narratives" a narcissist installs, and the remote control they still push (28:47) Why writing down what happened protects you from self-doubt later (32:41) Where to find Jackie, her podcast, and her free guide About Jackie Miller Jackie Miller is a high-conflict divorce coach and post-separation abuse strategist who survived a 16.5-year emotionally, verbally, and financially abusive marriage and a two-and-a-half-year high-conflict divorce. She now brings both lived experience and expert strategy to women navigating the same fight, through her coaching practice and her podcast, Out of Crazy Town: Your Guide to Divorcing a Narcissist. Learn more at jackiemillercoaching.com (her site also hosts her free guide on when to respond to a narcissist and when to ignore), or connect with her on LinkedIn. She's also on Instagram and TikTok as "Out of Crazy Town." Favorite quotes "There is no amount of money in the world that justifies enduring abuse." —Jackie Miller "Congratulations, you've survived 100% of your worst days." —Jackie Miller "You are in a relationship with a master manipulator. It doesn't matter how smart you are, it doesn't matter how educated you are." —Jackie Miller Resources mentioned JackieMillerCoaching.com: Jackie's site, coaching info, blog, and her free guide on when to respond to a narcissist and when to ignore Jackie Miller on LinkedIn Out of Crazy Town: Your Guide to Divorcing a Narcissist, Jackie's podcast, also findable via her site "Out of Crazy Town" on Instagram and TikTok, Jackie's handles on both platforms Related episodes Healing From Narcissistic Abuse: A deeper look at recovering identity and trust after a relationship like the one Jackie describes. Surviving Gaslighters and Manipulators: More on spotting the covert tactics Jackie names here before they escalate. Surviving Toxic Relationships: Interview with Shannon Petrovich: Another survivor's strategy for disengaging from a controlling partner. 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