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See, it doesn't work. I was gonna try. I know, I figured, but it doesn't look scary. It doesn't hit the same.
Yeah, it doesn't. One of my teeth can have a second. Two of key one, you're two. No, I'm done.
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None. I don't know if I have any right now. Wow, that's upsetting. Oh, there's somebody on TikTok.
I have a TikTok. I knew if I said it, it would start. I was just thinking, okay, there's someone I follow on TikTok. She talks about paranormal shit, some true crime shit.
She talks about all kinds of spooky shit. She's very smart. She's very well-spoken. She's fun to listen to.
She's beautiful. She's just cool. Her name is Cams. She's everything.
And I think her name on TikTok is, and let me double-check it. I think it's Swamp Witch. That's right there. I'll give you a vamp moment.
Swamp underscore witch underscore. Hell yeah. And she's great. And I just need to get first shout out because I think I like almost all of her videos that come through my feet.
I'm just automatically like, because I know I will. Like a bunch of spooky shit. Yeah, she's just really smart. And she lives in a haunted house.
So you get to see lots of that stuff. And she does tell stories from her. She does. She gives stories.
She gives like, and she tells other folk lore and shit. She's just really fun to listen to. Oh, so Cams, Swamp Witch. Hell yeah.
Go get it. I know what I'm doing tonight. Go flood Swamp Witches, TikTok, maker, get the numbers. No pun intended.
Because you know what she puts in the work. Flood the swamp. So fuck yeah, Swamp Witch Cams. Swamp Witch forever.
I know I can pull one. That's actually one that's been sitting in my back pocket for a while. And I keep forgetting to plug her. So start a list.
I'm actually glad you brought that up because I really wanted to plug her. See here, you said you were like, you're putting me on the spot. And I was like, it's for a reason. That's what it's for.
Every season has a reason. Turn, turn, turn. I think I said that the wrong way around. It doesn't matter.
It's not a great. Thanks. All right. Well, we're in a part two right now.
So in part one, we were talking about the very, very tragic murder of Jack Tupper. It was like real brutal. And we're going to get a little more into it in this part. It's so sad.
So this is a really sad case so far. It is because Buddy is just like was born in asshole. Yeah. And I just felt really bad for Melanie.
And I feel really bad for Jack and his family. Yeah. Jack had a lot of promise that just got completely robbed from him. So when we left off in part one, Buddy had been harassing Melanie like crazy.
And then she came home one day after. And the saddest thing about this too was that they were just about to get the fuck out of him. Yeah. They were making moves to get away from him.
She had signed a new lease that morning, Melanie, for her and Jack to go out. And while she was gone signing the new lease, Buddy went and did whatever he did. Yeah. But at the end of part one, the universe caught up to him because he was sitting directly in front of a cop and a bolo alert basically had gone out being like, yeah, I'll check out this license plate.
And the guy was like, oh, you mean the one right in front of me? You mean the sassle right here? You mean this yellow Cadillac asshole guy? So he got arrested and when Buddy was arrested, he was in the company of a man named Salvatore Giamo, which checks.
He told the officer that he was just a hitchhiker and he had nothing to do with the crime. But it was later learned that Salvatore was on Buddy's payroll and he worked as a general contractor on one of his buildings. So they spotted the lie there. Ah, there it is.
There it is. The prosecutor would later determine that there was a third man involved as well. Another Salvatore, this one, pre-need to, I believe, is how he say the last name. And he had already been dropped off when Buddy got pulled over.
So how'd he been pulled over a little earlier? They would have caught all three of them. All three of them. Right there.
That would have been the jackpot. That would have been. But still, it was a jackpot. Yeah.
It's not the precinct. Buddy told detectives that his employee, referring to Giamo, he said he had come to his apartment earlier that day and suggested that Buddy buy his car from him. So they took the car out for a test drive. And according to Buddy, the car drove so nicely that he just kept on driving.
Yeah. And that's how they caught him on the bridge that afternoon. Absolutely. Yeah, it was just out driving.
I just felt so good that I kept on driving. That's my alibi. I was just driving. Just driving things.
He was not willing to say more than that. And he immediately demanded a lawyer. So he was placed in a holding cell while the police started looking into this story. Now while he sat in a cell at the 43rd precinct, detectives went out to the apartment building in Queens to inform Melanie that Jack had died and had been murdered.
It's awful. She was still actually with Jack's friend that she had called over earlier that day. And she explained to the officer that got there what they had discovered in Buddy's apartment earlier that day. And she actually pointed out a spot of what they believed was blood in the hallway outside of the apartment.
If you remember in part one, he had cleaned everything up, including the hallway. But you missed a spot. Yeah, you never cleaned it all up. No, never.
It's just like so sad to think that while she was off doing this, that's what was going on. So the following week, Buddy and Salvatore were charged with second degree murder and both were denied bail. And this is a Salvatore Pronito actually. So Jack's autopsy was conducted the next afternoon.
But because his body had been so damaged and the fire and threw everything that had occurred beforehand, the assistant medical examiner had a really difficult time actually coming up with what the cause of death was. So officially his cause of death was attributed to, and this is a quote, two circumcised round, markedly depressed fractures of this goal, the largest diameter of which is one and a half. And the greatest depth of this depression is half an inch, I'm assuming. Now those two wounds, which the medical examiner believed to have been from hammer.
I was just going to say that sounds like a hammer. They caused obviously massive brain damage. So they believed those were most likely the primary cause of death. Oh, yeah.
It's to think what they did to him like I can't imagine. And you probably just assume that these three guys just banged on his apartment door and dragged him out. His shoes were still everything was still in the apartment. All of his stuff.
In addition to the brain trauma, there was a myriad of other wounds, several of which would have also been fatal. According to the examiner's report, quote, there are multiple lacerations and stab wounds. Oh my God. Mainly over the left side of the face and the left side of the head.
There are approximately 15 such wounds. Holy shit. And then there were additional stab wounds on the torso as well, one of which pierced Jack's liver. And then in addition to that, there were multiple gunshot wounds to his upper body and his lower torso.
And finally, there was the damage caused by the fire, which occurred after Jack had died. But this was complete overkill. So the bludgeon stabbed shot and burned him. Yup.
Oh my God. And like sliced his face like his face was found with a bunch of slice marks all over it. They just they demolished his body. Wow.
It's horrible. That's terrifying. So the press conference held just a few days later, investigators identified the victim and the killer while adding that other people were being sought in connection with the murder. As spokesperson told reporters quote, we don't know exactly where he was killed, but it appears he was dragged from his own apartment and brought to Jacobson's penthouse.
Now, they couldn't confirm that Jack had been killed in buddy's apartment. And investigators did say that they pulled a slug from a wall in buddy's apartment that was a match for those taken out of Jack Toper's. So I don't really know why they couldn't for sure say that he had been killed there because maybe they think that because my thoughts were that was blood on the outside of the apartment, maybe they think that they hammered him in his apartment and then dragged him into that apartment. He could have already been dead.
So when they shot him, he could have already been dead. It's so scary to think about. Now, as far as anybody could tell, the case against buddies seemed airtight. He had means he had motive.
He had the opportunity to kill Jack. He was known to have been obsessed with Melanie in the weeks leading up to the murder. The apartment was literally riddled with bullet holes and witnesses again, as we know, had identified him and his car as having been at the dump site in the Bronx. Yeah.
So a little over a week after buddy's arrest, a grand jury can be in to hear the evidence in the case as well as testimony from multiple witnesses. And everybody was most interested to hear what Melanie had to say, of course, because she's the closest link here. Yeah. And she testified for over two hours.
She gave all the details of her relationship with buddy, his possessive nature, the desperate threats that he'd been making in the weeks just before Jack's murder. And based on the evidence and testimony presented to the grand jury, buddy was indicted for the murder of Toper. And he was not allowed to be held without bail. So by September, buddy had actually gotten himself a new lawyer, Otto Fusco, who assured his client that he was going to get him out of jail.
He wanted to get buddy out of bail. Awesome. Even though requests for bail had already been denied six times since buddy's arrest. God.
Now later that month, Fusco took buddy's case to the state Supreme Court and he told Justice Louis Cialfi, I believe, says that he had a number of alternative suspects, all of whom had reason to kill Jack Toper and frame buddy. Huh. Like what? But for one reason or another, the justice believed Fusco's defense and noted that if there were indeed other suspects, he said, I cannot deny this man bail.
So he set buddies bail at $200,000. And remember, buddy has a lot of money. And I guess he wasn't pulling in that much at this time because he claimed that he was unable to pay that amount. So he remained in jail.
So in the weeks that followed, Fusco repeatedly argued with the district attorney in appellate court and was eventually able to successfully convince them to reduce the bail to $100,000. That's insane. So they cut it in half and buddy easily paid that with a cashier's check and ended up being freed on October 18th, 1978. Yeah, that must feel great.
Like when they're almost certain that he killed this man like 10 times over. Like there's literally bullet holes in his apartment. And they're like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. Let's get you on a milk.
So now that he was free on bail, he wasted literally no time trying to go and see Melanie. And when she made it very clear through the district attorney that she did not want to see him or speak to him, buddy allegedly paid a tarry McCart, one of the models for My Fair Lady, $1,000 to convince Melanie to see him. What? But this made its way back to the courts.
And it was enough to convince the prosecutor to bring Buddy back in front of the state Supreme Court. And they argued that Melanie still felt like she was in danger, obviously. Yeah. And she should be revoked.
Now, auto-fuse go vehemently denied any risk to Melanie safety. He told the court, but he only wanted to meet with her to quote straighten out the time element of the case. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
And it's also like, and he said he meant her no harm, but it's like, so he wants to go over timelines with her. Like I feel like that's a problem. Yeah, it's like, okay, so we're all stupid. That's what we're going with that everybody around him is stupid.
Like, I don't understand why that you why that story is straight. Yeah, I think you're just arguing against yourself at this point. Yeah, pretty much. So after hearing from both sides, Justin Howard, Justin has Howard Goldfuss ordered Jacob's end quote, not to contact Miss Kane or have others do so.
And if he did again, his bail would be revoked. Oh, okay. So they slapped him on his wrist and they said, don't do that again. Don't do that.
Little buddy, stop. Do not do it. Now, even though the court was abundantly clear that his bail would be revoked if he reached out to Melanie again, but he just couldn't help himself. Oh my God.
But this time he was more strategic, of course, because he didn't want to get caught. So he started sending her anonymous letters instead of implicating himself to her, which is so much more chilling, so much more chilling. And these letters are weird. And a letter dated November 20th, 1978, he wrote, no longer can you use the excuse, excuse me, no longer can you use the excuse the criminal justice system will work.
That's what? What? The letter basically implied that the district attorney had been trying to keep Melanie away from buddy, quote, and he wrote, because a combination of your facts and Jacob's ins would destroy his case. And he said it would be wise to stop letting yourself be controlled by others.
Wow. So it was very clear that it was from buddy, but he's writing it in like another, in another tone, in another tone, exactly. No, another later dated December 6 simply said, Jacob's in has harmed no one in his whole life, which, excuse me, please watch out for the giant lightning strikes, as much to come from the sky and smite you truly. He said, even if his love and affection for you may have dwindled this past year.
Oh, excuse me, she left you. I'm sorry, what? Let the record state. Yeah.
He always took care of you and looked out for you. I know he only wants the truth and the trial, which will be many months from now, maybe too late. What? Why would it be too late?
I don't mean if you're having a trial, isn't the truth going to come out one way or the other buddy? Jesus. He's so creepy. I hate him.
And just that even if his love and affection may have dwindled for you, like, shut the fuck up. Were you just screaming in a hallway that you were going to get her pregnant so fast? Yeah. She would have six children.
Yeah. But your affection said dwindled? Yeah. I don't know if we have the same definition of dwindled there.
Sure about that. So, Freon Bail, until the start of the trial, buddy, reveled in the notoriety. He made sure to keep up appearances. He was not letting anybody know about the financial toll that the charges were taking on him.
And he never lent it in his campaign to contact Melanie. But he did start dating a new young model and made sure that he was seen out with her in all the same places that he used to take Melanie. That's gross. Which he's clearly thinking that this is going to make her jealous, which I don't know in what world you would be jealous that a girl is dating a man who murdered the man that you loved.
Yeah. And it's like, who's this girl? Yeah, that's another story. That's a good thing.
She just wanted a modeling job. Yeah. She was the playboy that he was, and he hoped everybody still believed he was. But all the while, Melanie and the Tupper family were starting to wonder whether their faith in the justice system was misplaced.
They were getting worried that this wasn't going to go in there. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it is. Especially because he's out on bail. Yeah, he's just walking around.
They probably never expected that. No. I mean, it's literally cut and dry here. You look at that crime scene.
The witnesses. You look at everything involved. It's like, how are you this stupid? How?
How? It's insane. So, when Buddy was first arrested, the case to them, it appeared like we were just saying so straightforward. And the evidence seemed so irrefutable that a conviction seemed inevitable.
Yeah. And then a few months later, his ability to kind of talk his way out of apparently anything, and now the endless stream of rumors surrounding the case had them worried that they might not get their conviction for him. Oh, man. Kevin Tupper told reporters, I thoroughly believe the police and DA's office can handle people who shoot each other out on the street.
But I have a feeling that when they come up against a real attorney, and then his voice trailed off before he could finish his thought. Huh. He was worried. Yeah.
Obviously. And I don't blame him. Yeah. I do too.
And the trial was still almost a year away. And that's the crazy thing that they gave him bail, knowing that he had a year to just walk around. Yeah, and just do whatever he wanted. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense to me.
It doesn't. But Melanie and the Tupper is reasonably believed there was still a chance that Buddy could talk his way out of these charges. But little did they know the case would take a turn, but no one really saw it coming. So in the 14 months that passed between Buddies arrest and the scheduled start of the trial, the New York City press could not resist following every lead and every rumor related to the deadly love triangle.
There was talk of among so many different things, a drug deal gone wrong, mafia involvement. And they also were starting to say that my fair lady was being used as what they referred to as a prostitution ring. Hmm. No, which also like you're not supposed to say like that.
That's rude. That's rude. In 1979, state Supreme Court Justice, William Capelman, or Capelman, excuse me, imposed a gag order on everybody involved, noting that the extensive and often sensational media coverage might preclude a fair trial for Howard Jacobson. Remember, Buddy's really was Howard.
Yeah. So the media, excuse me, the order covered only those who were directly involved in the trial. So the media was still free to continue reporting on the case, but they would have to do it without any commentary from the participants in the trial. Okay.
Now, Buddy's lawyers, Jack Ebseroff and Ben Epstein immediately objected and they cited their client's First Amendment rights and they questioned the timing of the order. But Capelman overruled them and the order was to stand. Now, he spoke in generic terms regarding his motive for the gag order. He said it was the extent of the media coverage, but it's also very possible that one of the driving factors for the order was the number of interviews and impromptu press conferences that Buddy and his attorneys were holding in the month's leading up to trial.
Ah. Because they were starting to try to spin a different yard. Just a week or so before the order was put in place, Buddy's two attorneys there reported that Jack Tupper was part of a major cocaine conspiracy. Oh, damn.
And said quote, he was killed by someone other than the defendant. Oh, shit. So now we're trying to smear Jack. Exactly.
And then potential jury members of course. So by late October, the trial had already been delayed several times because of different pretrial hearings, all this bullshit that was going on. And then it again, ground to a halt when Buddy's attorneys claimed that the DA's office was withholding evidence that would have cleared Buddy if any wrongdoing. Oh, according to Ben Epstein, the DA's office had evidence that showed two known drug dealers were likely responsible for Tupper's death.
But the two men he suspected quote had gone missing since the murder. Huh. So he's like, I have these two guys. The only problem is I don't have them.
That's not shady or fishy at all. No, no, no. No, that seems very legit. It's like, are you just looking for two random drugs?
Yeah. Two employers to implicate in this right now and you just don't have them quite yet, perhaps. So Justice Kaplan reviewed the material and he overruled the motion. And he said that his attorney said would clear him.
He found that the evidence was insufficient to warrant any kind of acquittal. Yeah, of course. Obviously he was like, why would you waste my time with this? So Justice Kaplan reviewed the material and overruled the motion that Buddy's lawyer said would clear him because that evidence was, I wish there was a better word than insufficient because I feel like it was even so much more than that's a vast understatement.
Yeah, but it was insufficient to warrant in acquittal. So additional delays followed. And that was mostly because the defense was challenging. Literally every piece of evidence involved that they tried to enter ever.
I love that. Yeah, it's fantastic. And there were other hiccups too. There were two potential witnesses that received anonymous death threats in the mail.
Jesus. I wonder who those came from. Huh, who do you think? No, they're anonymous, Ash.
They're anonymous. Much like anonymous. The letters that Buddy wrote to Melanie. Yeah, totally anonymous.
Yeah. And then also one of the prosecutor's sisters actually was found murdered behind a Brooklyn bar. Oh my God. However, the murder was determined to be unrelated to the Jacobson case.
Oh, New York was wild and wow. When I read that, I was like, he murdered the prosecutor. Okay. That's a lot.
Yeah, I was unrelated. Now, after an unusual number of delays and pre-trial hearings, Buddy Jacobson's trial finally got underway on January 30th, 1980 with Bill Hrabsky prosecuting on behalf of the state. And from his position at the podium, he presented the jury with a simple story of jealousy and of course, a love triangle with a very tragic ending in which Buddy Jacobson and Salvator Pronito murdered Jack Tupper and disposed of his body in that vacant lot. Now, most importantly, this wasn't just the same old or this wasn't just some story.
The prosecution had more than enough evidence collected from Buddy's apartment that directly connected him to the case. This evidence included Buddy's clothes, his eyeglasses and pieces of his carpet, all of which had Jack's blood on them. Oh my God. His glasses.
Like that for me is terrible. I was just going to say that is just something about that. That's on another level. Because that indicates a very close proximity.
Oh, that's really terrible. And I'll just because Melanie didn't love him anymore. And just because Jack was a good guy that was treating her nicely exactly and giving her the life that you wanted to just wish that they had been able to move out of that apartment before any of this happened. Oh, that's terrible.
So when the time came for the defense to present their argument, Jack Eversof took the podium with a story that no one expected. He told the jury how where Jacob's in is the product of a frame compounded by the inefficiency and incompetence by the authorities. So he was trying to say that Buddy was framed for this. No, which like I don't quite understand it's like please explain why they got his eyeglasses, his clothes and his pieces of his carpet.
Yeah, that's a very intense frame job. He went into his home, cut out pieces of his carpet, got Jack Tupper's blood on them and then put them back. Yeah, I guess so. I don't see that happening.
Yeah, you don't? legit to you? No, I don't know. Yeah.
Seems legit to me. The attorney claims that they would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Melanie Kane, the girl of a thousand faces who had masterminded the entire operation. Wow. Like listen, I love Mel.
I don't think she masterminded this entire operation and got that much blood evidence on all of buddy things. That's also like wild when they just turn around and are like, who's your own that girl's life? Like it's just like, whoa, all right, they use her like title against her. They called her the girl of a thousand faces because she's a model and she's been called that before.
So stupid. Now, according to Jack, ebbs are off. I can never say his last name. The murder wasn't he said the result of a love triangle, but a quadrangle.
This man is going geometry. No, I was just gonna say do not bring geometry into this. It's too late. He did.
He said it included cocaine dealer Joseph Marguerite. And the defense alleged that Jack Tupper was murdered over a bad cocaine deal with Marguerite and Melanie had attempted to frame buddy for it. Why would Melanie turn around and try to fuck over buddy if this other guy killed the man that she loved? Yeah, why would she do that?
That no, no, because they're essentially trying to make it seem like her love for Jack was not not what we think it was. Not really. No, I don't believe that. It's like if that was the case, buddy is a well connected guy.
Why would you why wouldn't she just turn to him exactly and have him like fuck over Joseph Marguerite and why would she get rid of Jack? That's what she just like be with buddy if you wanted to be with buddy. Yes. That seems to be like the real question here is like, when she just be with you if she wanted to be with you?
I didn't she made it very clear. I think the men in this case didn't quite understand that they just can't handle it because their whole thing was that like he left Melanie. I know that's like how it sounds. No, my friends.
But they said when the murder was committed in Marguerite's apartment, which apparently had buddy's carpet in the gas and his eyeglasses and his clothing. Absolutely. Of course. They said, but he wasn't even there.
And the defense alleged he was just a 48 year old fool who was in love with the woman of a thousand faces. They really, they really love that. They were like, it's really good that somebody named her that because we can use that now. So yeah, he may very well be in like whatever you're calling love with her.
But again, how did he shit get covered in Jack's blood? No, it's really not making sense. No, make it make sense. My friends make sense.
It's literally that guy just like you sure about that? Sure about that. So despite their best efforts to convince the jury that buddy was not connected to the murder, the evidence circumstantial and physical just wasn't on their side. The math and math is not nothing throughout her testimony and the testimony of others.
Melanie never came across as better. She never came across as the vindictive lover that they claimed was framing buddy. In fact, when they attempted to sway the jury by showing several what they called exotic photos of Melanie exotic, she had to interject to point out that at least one of the photos wasn't even of her. It was of an entirely different woman.
Are you kidding me? She had to stand up in court and say, yeah, I don't know what this has to do with anything. But also that's not me. Like, wow, that gal's real pretty.
That's not me. And why are we showing those photos in the first place? What does that do that? Anything.
But just the fact that she had to say, yeah, that's not me. That how stupid can you look? Like, seriously, you know, in jury duty when the guy is when you're like, how is anybody believing about this? Yeah, here we go.
Here we go. Here it is. Now, the prosecution on the other hand, very different story over there, they had a mountain of evidence to support their claim that buddy was exceedingly jealous and possessive from the moment that he began dating Melanie and all throughout and up to the start of the trial. And then, of course, like I've said, about 55 million times, there was the considerable blood evidence that placed buddy at the scene of the murder.
Oh, that and again, the eyewitness testimony from people who saw him at the dump site, where was Joseph Margarita at the dump site? Yeah, exactly. And they also wrote down his fucking license plate. That's the thing.
They had the forethought to write down that license plate number, which yesterday when you said that, I was like, hell, yeah, those people because a lot of us wouldn't be able to remember it or write it down, which you should if you can, but it's hard. Yeah, and sometimes you can't see it. It's not the quick thing. It's like, you don't think about it.
So thank goodness those people did. And it's like, now you're like, this is just wild. It's so ridiculous. Guys, you just now you should start think about minimizing damage instead of trying to pretend that he didn't do it.
Like, go for an insanity. Yeah, like you should be really looking at just trying to mitigate everything. Because there's no way that you can say he didn't do it. No, you have to think like why he like some real life, you're looking foolish here.
You are. And that's the thing if this were intended as a frame job, it was a a very complicated one orchestrated by some kind of criminal mastermind, not a very, very depressed and sad fashion model. Sorry, that's the truth. No, so after 10 weeks of evidence and testimony, the jury retired for deliberation on April 9 1980.
And after eight hours, they returned to a guilty a guilty they returned to verdict of not guilty in the case against Salvatore Prenito. And as for Buddy Jacobson, the jury foreman told the judge that they believed they were unable to reach a verdict. What? I don't really understand that myself.
Sorry, jury, can we talk real quick? That's basically what the judge said. Okay, good. He was like, can you guys try again?
Yeah, he's like, you know what, give that one another show, I give it to the college try. There was one person that was like, I have a reasonable doubt. You know what, one person I just want to talk. What's going on?
What's happening? What's happening? But they tried again. And on April 12, the jury found Buddy Jacobson guilty.
Thank you. Of the second degree murder of Jack Tupper. So after he was convicted, he was returned to a cell at the Brooklyn House of Corrections to await his sentencing, which was scheduled for early June. On the afternoon of May 31st, he had a visitor.
There's somebody coming to say, Hey, buddy, what's up visitor? Yeah, they checked in under the name Michael Schwartz, and they said they were an attorney. And these two men sat and talked for a short time. And when the guards came back to collect Buddy, he was nowhere to be found.
Oh, oops, we lost that inmate. They lost that inmate who had just been convicted of second degree murder. Wow. Why is everyone really bad at their jobs right now?
What was happening here? Like, it was even the 80s. Yeah, I don't even know it wasn't even it was the height of the 80s. Guys, get it together could not find him get it together.
As far as they could tell the officials at the jail, they the two of those men sat together, buddy being one of them, buddy excused himself to go to the bathroom around 430, and simply never returned. Man, imagine if that's how you can get out of jail, you just have to go to the bathroom. Excuse me, I just have to go to the bathroom real quick and then you just never return. You just walk out.
Bye. Bye everybody. In his statement to the press, assistant commissioner for the Department of Corrections, Edward Hershey told the press, Jacobson walked out of the visitors area using subterfuge and stealth. And he did not leave the room wearing the same clothing he walked in with.
Okay, but you're still saying to me that he walked out of the visitors room at a prison using stealth. It's like, no, you began that sentence by saying he walked out of the visitors room, which in and of itself kind of takes away all the stealth of it, he just walked out of the visitors room. But it wasn't just stealth. It was also subterfuge as well.
Like, you're just walked out. He just admitted that he said, yeah, he said, no, you know what, not for me, prison is not my bag. So I'm like, he murdered Jack Duffer. And he just walks out of that.
He's a vicious killer. Yeah, vicious killer and a stalker and a stalker and like, like, he's a terrible person, truly. And they're just like, yeah, we just let him walk out of the visitor center. And then later, you're like, there was a lot of subterfuge and stealth involved.
It's like, I don't know about that. You sure about that? I don't know about that. I'm not sure.
As folks person said of the man claiming to be Michael Schwartz, the attorney, he's not given us any information. At this point, we don't even know if that's his real name, or whether he's an attorney. Wow. If I was at this fucking press conference, I'd be like, am I safe to live in this place?
Literally, I moved several towns over. I would be like, what the fuck is going on? We don't know anything. Like shit, we didn't, you know, it was the guy he said, Hey, and we said, you see legit.
And we just let him in. Like, you know what they're saying? They're like, the vibes were right. Yeah.
So we just foregone, we just forewent to any kind of standard procedure. That's fine. Safety protocol, because the vibes were vibing when he came in. They did a J.
D. A. They didn't even do a J. D.
A. And Colin's like, look over there. Yeah, they were just like, yeah, we don't even know what his deal is. Yeah, no, luckily, they eventually found out what his deal was.
Oh, good. The man claiming to be Michael Schwartz attorney was in fact, Anthony D'Rosa, a sometime resident of West Dover, Vermont. And he was also the man who several years earlier had bought buddy stake in the ski lodge. Oh, shit.
The ski lodge comes back. Yeah, isn't that funny? The ski lodge makes a cameo. I bet you thought that the ski lodge was gone for a while.
I was ready for her to come back. Here she is. So we didn't see the last time Vermont. Vermont I'm coming.
Vermont, look, where you been? So D'Rosa had been one of the potential witnesses interviewed by the defense before buddies trial, actually. But both attorneys found that he seriously lacked credibility and they decided not to call him the defense who sucked ass was like, this guy sucks more ass. This guy sucks the most ass.
Well, he lacks credibility. He should. So it turned out that after initially buying into the ski lodge, D'Rosa quickly ran out of funds and found himself, I really love this expression, quote, deeply in hawk deeply in hawk aka debt. But it's a much better way to say I'm in a hawk.
Oh man, I'm in hawk. I'm in hawk to buddy deep in hawk. I am going to be ever in your hawk. Wow.
I like that. It's HOCK. Not like, Oh, not. Yeah.
Okay. I don't know if I'll say call but I don't either. But so that's why he was willing to lie for buddy on the witness stand to help him escape because he never really paid back his debts for the ski lodge. He was in deep walks.
So you know, let me just let you escape from fucking prison on your murder charge. Yeah, he's like, then we're we're square after that. I mean, if one thing will get you square, that's definitely good. So no, I'm going to hawk.
It will also get you into a lot of fucking trouble. Well, because there was charge with escape, hindering prosecution, burglary, criminal facilitation, criminal impersonation, and possession of a forged instrument, which was the fake ID that he used to check in at prison. Oops. Oops.
Like you might want to be in hawk now. Now you're in the police. That's no good. So he was ordered to be held on $500,000 bail.
Oh, damn, that's not getting out of the arms. I was going to say I was thinking you're leaving now. In February 1981, he was convicted of the charges and he was sentenced to one to four years in prison for his role in buddy's escape. Was it worth it?
Let me work it. No, no, even missy was like, no, she was like, no, I won't put my thing down, flip it and reverse it. She's like, I don't have time for that in this case. So the DA's office plays several people in protective custody, because remember, at this point, he's convicted, but they have no fucking idea where buddy went.
Oh, yeah, you've just let a shark out of the cage. There you go. They have no idea what he's trying to do. They were where he was going to kill people he believed to be involved in his process, or in his conviction, excuse me, so people were put into protective custody.
And those people included obviously Melanie, Justice William Capelman, or Coupleman, and one of the witnesses who ended up testifying against Buddy. Damn, but luckily, their fears were misplaced. But he hadn't just fled Brooklyn, he had left New York State entirely and fled to California. Oh, yeah, yeah, guys are always sunny.
There you go. He's he's looking to, you know, serve some waves. Catch 10. I catch 10.
I said he can also catch 10 to California hangs it. He can catch it. Yeah, that's all that. We're definitely not from New England at all.
No, it's autumn. We're like oceans vibes. So according to his attorney, buddy escaped quote in an effort to find new evidence to vindicate himself for the murder of John Tupper. Absolutely.
Sir. He went to California to find that. Why would that be in California? Because you why you ask him questions?
Okay, don't worry about it. It's ridiculous. Like you don't need to know the method of his madness. Okay.
They're like, we know Jack Tupper was murdered in New York City. Absolutely. 3000 miles away from California. But the evidence to vindicate Buddy.
Yes, was 3000 miles away in California. Absolutely. I don't understand what the question is here. I'm confused.
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, you know, you know, the math is nothing for you. Yeah, for sure. Now, as far as investigators could tell after escaping from prison, the buddy was met by his girlfriend.
He literally had girlfriend at this point. Wow. Audrey Barrett and his son, his son David, who drove him out of the area. Later that day, buddy stole a car from one of the my fair lady models, his own like family.
He is wild. He's the definition of wild. And he and his girlfriend made their way to California, camping out and checking into motels under aliases along the way. Wow.
And once he arrived in California, buddy, quote, got into negotiations with a real estate agent in Northern California to buy property. Oh, this motherfucker thought he was just going to go to property and be selling sunset. Yeah, absolutely. Sir, what?
So ultimately, though, it was buddy's son David that led to his recapture. Oh, I kind of absolutely love that. I absolutely positively love that. Love it.
Led to his recapture six weeks after fleeing New York, good for him, because from the moment buddy escaped to detectives started following all of his friends, all of his relatives, all of his associates nearly around the clock. In fact, at one point, David Jacobson, this on there was being followed so closely by the police that he pulled over to the side of the road, walked back to the police car and said, all right, let's use the same car and save gas. Oh my God, I love it. He was like, you know what, he's like, you know, why we kill on the planet here?
Let's save some gas. He was 25 at this point and could have had actually run into some legal troubles themselves, probably because of his father abandoned. Yeah, there's that. So he was offered immunity in exchange for information leading to the capture of his father, which he accepted.
On July 9th, David arranged for his dad to call him that afternoon. And the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office had placed a tap on David's line, obviously, and they were like, listen, you need to keep your down on the phone as long as you possibly can. Yeah, the trace took nearly 20 minutes, which is kind of crazy to think about because I feel like they must happen a little faster now. You know, I would think so, but I honestly have no idea.
Yeah, I don't know really how that works. I'm interested to say yes, but I think some things are still so slow. They are. But eventually, the phone company was able to identify the income line as being a payphone outside of diner in Manhattan Beach.
So the DA relayed the information to Manhattan Beach police and buddy was arrested that same after hell. Yeah, I got him. Wow. So when he was arrested, he confirmed his identity, but he wouldn't say anything else to the police.
Of course not. Now, the next day, he was temporarily transferred to a jail in LA before being returned to Brooklyn the next day. And days later, in an interview with reporters, he claimed he had been betrayed by quote, someone I had confided in, someone I trusted emphatically. And now he said was the only reason he was recaptured.
Like someone you trusted emphatically try someone you abandoned as a child. Yeah, you forgot about that. Sorry. I should add that in.
There's that small part. That's the important part of the equation, exactly. So by the following spring, a buddy was tried alongside Anthony DeRosa for the escape and given a sentence of one to seven years to be served concurrently with the life sentence that he was given for the murder of Jack Tupper. Wow.
So life plus one to seven years. No, definitely not. Now, in the years that followed his recapture, buddy, he kept asserting his innocence. He never would admit that he did anything to Jack.
He did. He insisted that he had been framed forever. No. In an interview with the LA Times, he repeated his earlier claim that Melanie had manipulated her co-came dealer boyfriend into killing Jack, who was also her boyfriend, and then the two framed him for the murder.
I don't see it. No one else did. So I don't see it. As evidence, he cited the one holdout on the jury who after the trial told reporters, they wore me down.
There's a reasonable doubt that he did it. No, where is that? Can you show it to me? Yeah, just can you produce that reasonable doubt?
The reasonable doubt. I just don't see it. Now, when the reporter suggested that his escape from prison might have only made him look more guilty, but he replied, but the only reason I ran was to be free. I hadn't done anything.
I was the same as those hostages in a ran. Oh, you sure about that? That's the overstatement of the century. I don't know about that, buddy.
Sir, sir. You know what? I do know about that. That's a no.
We all know about that. You are a drama fucking queen. Are you kidding me? That's a lot.
That's not helping your case from that's hurting your case. You're an asshole. You've never looked like anything else. Yeah, as for his feelings toward Melanie, buddy claimed he had no ill for her.
He said, I don't think Melanie lying court. She was too dumb to lie. She was sick. She had hyperglycemia.
What is hyperglycemia have to do with lying? He's like, you know what? She had to eat a cracker. She's dumb.