The Legal System Is Biased Against Vegans. Here’s How We Won Anyways. (with Justin Marceau) (Ep. 43)

Justin Marceau was lead counsel in the People v. Tracy Murphy. I speak to him about the serious misconduct we revealed in the case – & what it tells us about the broader problem of criminal justice. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Contact/follow Animal Activist Legal Defense Project: https://www.law.du.edu/content/animal-activist-legal-defense-project  https://www.instagram.com/aaldp_du/  https://x.com/AALDP_DU  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:25 Intro, Tracy Murphy’s case & trial, Animal Activist Legal Defense Project, & the defense gets new information days before trial starts Chapter 2) 11:26-20:56 At the dismissal: the judge reprimands defense while wrongly praising the prosecution, “poverty of low expectations” in the criminal justice system, constitutional violations against Tracy, compliments about the legal team working well together, & Tracy’s bravery to not take a plea deal Chapter 3) 20:57-28:01 Would destruction of evidence have been enough to dismiss the case without familial relationship disclosure, & not a strong case for the prosecution in front of a jury Chapter 4) 28:02- 36:34 Do people in the US really have presumption of innocence in the American legal system, & Tracy’s learning her legal rights to the cows Chapter 5) 36:35-47:56 Tracy followed the law in this case, law students & lawyers should learn how to emotionally be there for their clients, intense animal agricultural opposition & disinformation against Tracy’s compassionate choices, & how Tracy has helped the authorities & community with animals abuse cases Chapter 6) 47:57-56:24 Employees betraying Tracy, harassment against Tracy, how society & local communities are divided, & the power of the prosecution Chapter 7) 56:25-1:13:54 Justin & Wayne working together & with the legal team for animal rights activists, & Justin’s advice to new lawyers & activists Chapter 8) 1:13:55-1:27:14 How to make the legal system more accessible, the need for authenticity in personal & public interactions, Wayne’s proposed changes to the court, & lawyers empowering their activist clients Chapter 9) 1:27:15-1:37:45 What Justin learned from the Asha Rescue Trial, Wayne’s arguments in court, getting to know local lawyers, final thoughts, & check out the website Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (link above) Chapter 10) 1:37:46-1:38:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Justin: https://x.com/justin_marceau https://www.facebook.com/justin.marceau.9 https://www.linkedin.com/in/marceau-justin-97b33015/ Support Asha's Farm Sanctuary & Tracy: https://www.ashasfarmsanctuary.org https://www.facebook.com/@ashasfarmsanctuary https://www.instagram.com/ashasfarmsanctuary https://twitter.com/AshasSanctuary https://www.tiktok.com/@ashas_farm_sanctuary?lang=en https://www.facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572 https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410/ — Books/Essays: Beyond Cages: Animal Law & Criminal Punishment by Justin Marceau Carceral Logics: Human Incarceration & Animal Captivity by (Editors) Lori Gruen & Justin Marceau Truth & Transparency: Undercover Investigations in the Twenty-First Century by Alan K. Chen & Justin Marceau Cases & Materials on the Death Penalty by Nina Rivkind, Steven Shatz, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau “Federal Habeas Corpus: Cases & Materials” by Andrea Lyon, Emily Hughes, Mary Prosser, & Justin Marceau Death Penalty in a Nutshell by Victor Streib, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau Voluntary Prosecution & the Case of Animal Rescue by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, & Steffen Seitz (Harvard Law Review) https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue/ Books mentioned: The Art of Choosing by Sheena Iyengar The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less by Barry Schwartz Movies mentioned: The Joker (2019)