The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

Jeff Kerr at PETA has brought some of the wildest legal cases in animal rights history: monkey selfies, orca slavery, and more. I chatted with him about why these “crazy” cases actually have solid legal grounds–and why Jeff has immense hope for the future of animal law and animal rights.—“Right to listen” lawsuit:https://www.peta.org/news/peta-sues-nih-nimh-in-groundbreaking-lawsuit/American Kennel Club lawsuit:https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/peta-files-suit-against-american-kennel-club-for-designing-promoting-and-profiting-off-deformed-dogs/Maine Lobster Festival lawsuit:https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/maine-lobster-festival-sued-by-peta-for-steaming-lobsters-alive/ —About Jeff Kerr: As chief legal officer to PETA and other PETA entities for nearly 30 years, Jeff Kerr is the longest-tenured legal head of any animal protection organization. He built and leads the world’s largest legal team working for animal liberation, which was named Corporate Counsel magazine’s Best Legal Department in 2017—the first animal protection group and only the second nonprofit to receive that honor. Kerr is a graduate of the University of Virginia School of Law, which recognized his public service work with the prestigious Shaping Justice Award for Extraordinary Achievement, and George Mason University, where he was a Weber scholar. His high-profile cases have made headlines around the world and sparked a global conversation about the legal rights of animals.—The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!—Chapters:Intro) 00:00-07:35 Jeff Kerr on how to understand how the law works for animals, whistleblowers, & unnecessary testing on macaque monkeysChapter 2) 07:36-15:36 PETA’s controversial lawsuitsChapter 3) 15:37-19:44  PETA as bipartisan, on the NIH, & the merits of PETA’s lawsuitsChapter 4) 19:45-24:32 PETA on consumerism, new laws for animals, & enforcing existing laws for animalsChapter 5) 24:33-35:24 The humanewashing problem, research on consumerism, & environmentalismChapter 6) 35:25-41:44 PETA’s focus of protests & different activist groups working togetherChapter 7) 41:45-49:35 An ambitious lawsuit: The Maine Lobster FestivalChapter 8) 49:36-52:22  A historical view of the  animal rights movement & PETA getting attentionChapter 9) 52:23-59:10 Fast questions, advice on activist teams, and hope for the futureChapter 10) 59:11-59:27 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis—Books Mentioned:Consider the Lobster by David Foster WallaceDiet for a New America by John Robbins—Loving v. Virginia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hirschkop —

Joey Savoie, the co-founder of Ambitious Impact, lives his life by spreadsheets, and it’s allowed him to create tremendous impact. Should we follow in his footsteps?—The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!—Chapters:Intro) 00:00-13:41 Why Joey likes optimization for important things in life & his response to push-backsChapter 2) 13:42-18:13 Joey on meditation and how it helps optimizationChapter 3) 18:14-29:36 What is Ambitious Impact (AIM) and Charity Entrepreneurship & helping NGOs/Nonprofits to be more popular and efficientChapter 4) 29:37-45:12 Examples of leveraging status in a positive wayChapter 5) 45:13-55:33 AIM and Charity Entrepreneurship - how it started and goals, on Joey’s parents and upbringing, & current moral/ethical developmentChapter 6) 55:34-1:11:33 Joey on ethics & social effects of relationshipsChapter 7) 1:11:34-1:19:26 How AIM and Charity Entrepreneurship helps with social support and what Joey as an individual has learned from itChapter 8) 1:19:27-1:31:12 Joey on Effective Altruism (EA), AIM looking for skepticism in humility and moral ambition, & groups measuring and reacting to different resultsChapter 9) 1:31:13-1:41:14 Joey on EA not able to reach goals & Joey on introspection leading to action or inactionChapter 10) 1:41:15-1:49:41 What has Joey learned about learning, why you should read books, & also learn from outside your communityChapter 11) 1:49:42-1:50:58 Joey’s most important lesson from years of being an optimizerChapter 12) 1:50:59-1:52:39 Follow AIM (http://charityentrepreneurship.com) and Joey (https://measuredlife.substack.com/)! (other links below)Chapter 13) 1:52:40-1:52:56 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Adam Durand & Chloe Leffakis—Follow AIM and Joey:https://charityentrepreneurship.com https://ambitiousimpact.com https://measuredlife.substack.com/ https://substack.com/@goodenoughjoey https://www.facebook.com/joey.savoie https://www.facebook.com/charityentrepreneurship https://www.instagram.com/ambitiousimpact/ https://x.com/goodenoughjoey https://x.com/charity_ep https://www.youtube.com/@charityentrepreneurship6301 https://www.linkedin.com/in/joey-savoie-b5937356/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/charityentrepreneurship/—Books Mentioned:Moral Ambition by Rutger BregmanThe Growth Mindset: A Guide to Professional and Personal Growth (The Art of Growth) by Joshua Moore & Helen Glasgow

The UK climate movement achieved a historic win. Roger Hallam doesn’t give a f—.Visit the blog to learn how to ask for Roger to be freed: https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/does-virtue-matter-more-than-impact-The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!

George Martin has some of the most controversial takes in animal rights, from George Floyd to Gaza. Should that get him canceled?Find more of George Martin at https://www.youtube.com/@CarnismDebunked/—The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!—Chapters:Intro) 00:00-13:49 BLM and intersectionality in activist movementsChapter 2) 13:50-19:16 Systemic racism in policingChapter 3) 19:17-28:12 Police shootings of Justine Damond and Daniel ShaverChapter 4) 28:13-41:23 Derek Chauvin’s prison sentence & George Floyd’s cause of deathChapter 5) 41:24-57:36 Intersectional infighting in activist movements, cancel culture, & bad intentions and actions of some “activists”Chapter 6) 57:37-1:06:10 Left-wing and Right-wing principles, horseshoe theory, & extremists in different movementsChapter 7) 1:06:11-1:23:14 Why and how to talk or not talk about intersectionality in the animal rights movement & mob mentalityChapter 8) 1:23:15-1:34:31 Why George is not scared to speak about controversial topics & inclusion and exclusion in movements Chapter 9) 1:34:32-1:44:52 Is intersectionality good for the movement & effective messagingChapter 10) 1:44:53-1:47:14 Final thoughts- We the Free, Carnism Debunked YouTube & PodcastChapter 11) 1:47:15-1:47:32 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Adam Durand & Chloe Leffakis—Follow George Martin:Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/CarnismDebunked Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carnism_debunked/ XTwitter: https://x.com/CarnismDebunked Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CarnismDebunked Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/george.magicmartin Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/CarnismDebunked Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/carnismdebunked/  Website: https://www.carnismdebunked.com/

The state tried to jail me for rescuing dogs. Now it’s helping us save them. But there’s so much more than 3000 dogs at stake.-The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!-00:00 Intro01:10 How does scalable change work?04:26 Action-attention feedback loop06:17 Momentum08:12 The "Day 2" Question09:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

You can’t create change by threatening to kill people. -The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!-Chapters:Chapter 1) 00:00 IntroChapter 2) 01:50 The importance of nonviolenceChapter 3) 03:38 Winning over adversaries Chapter 4) 05:37 Pushing back against “Safetyism”Chapter 5) 07:58 Conclusion Chapter 6) 10:52 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Elon has one weakness: animal cruelty. And the one woman who could expose it has just been fired. — Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Elon’s mission Chapter 2) 00:45 What programs were cut Chapter 3) 02:09 Selling these cuts to the public Chapter 4) 03:53 Elon’s interests in deregulation Chapter 5) 04:37 Neuralink  Chapter 6) 06:44 Phyllis Fong Chapter 7) 08:36 A simple message to explain Elon’s actions Chapter 8) 10:10 Closing thoughts Chapter 9) 12:24 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

People say animal rights won’t be achieved for centuries or even millennia. Here’s why they’re wrong.  — Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-2:49 Intro: Animal Liberation will happen in one generation, Peanut The Squirrel, & animal cruelty issues during the 2024 Presidential Election Chapter 2) 2:50-5:38 Philosophical legitimacy of animal rights & the popular appeal of animal rights  Chapter 3) 5:39-7:24 Why there is not a political movement pushing animal rights: obstacle one - preference falsification Chapter 4) 7:25-9:53 Why there is not a political movement pushing animal rights: obstacle two - lack of vision Chapter 5) 9:54-16:43 How to reverse these two obstacles and find opportunities for change & let us know your thoughts on Animal Liberation in one generation Chapter 6) 16:44-17:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

A breakthrough Chinese AI shook the global economy. Vegans can do the same – if we learn from what made Deepseek great.  — Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-4:47 Intro: on the successful and new AI DeepSeek, factory farms, & the Animal Rights movement Chapter 2) 4:48-12:46 How DeepSeek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Transparency Chapter 3) 12:47-19:56 How Deepseek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Diversity Chapter 4) 19:57-26:18 How DeepSeek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Purpose Chapter 5) 26:19-27:50 Final thoughts: summary &  Chapter 6) 27:51-28:08 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

Getting arrested for the animals isn’t a problem for the movement. It’s an opportunity. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Register for the event in March “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit”: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:59 Intro: veganism, animal rights, voluntary prosecution, & trials for social change in the past Chapter 2) 6:00-7:59 Reason one: trials force society away from systemic inertia Chapter 3) 8:00-9:15  Reason two: trials are not affected by regulatory capture (example money in politics) Chapter 4) 9:16-19:42 Other social justice movements using voluntary prosecution & on women’s right activist Susan B. Anthony Chapter 5) 19:43-25:33 On gay rights activist Dale Jennings Chapter 6) 25:34-33:58 What do trials mean for animal rights and veganism, & how and when social change happens Chapter 7) 33:59-35:43 Opportunities to participate in activism and the “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March, link above Chapter 8) 35:44-36:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Links: "Voluntary Prosecution and the Case of Animal Rescue" by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, and Steffen Seitz https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue/  —

There’s nothing like the threat of imprisonment to force you to learn.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:44 Intro: using persuasion to make the world a better place & how people disagree Chapter 2) 5:45-10:39 On trust, how to persuade, & the Smithfield Trial win Chapter 3) 10:40-20:29 Lesson 1: Go to the frontlines & Wayne’s first frontline experience Chapter 4) 20:30-28:26 Lesson 2: Don’t cancel your enemies. Make friends with them. Chapter 5) 28:27-31:56 Lesson 3: Boldness is a virtue, not a vice. Chapter 6) 31:57-33:31 Summary & final thoughts Chapter 7) 33:32-33:48 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Rick Pittman’s testimony at the Smithfield Trial: https://x.com/mbolotnikova/status/1578806031102009349  —

What Trump 2.0 could mean for animal rights. Surprisingly, it’s not all bad. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! — Chapters: 0:00-3:52 Who are the MAGA people in Trump’s incoming administration 3:53-5:10 The culture war around plant-based meats 5:11-6:42 Ending subsidies for animal cruelty 6:43-7:46 Targeting dissidents 7:47-8:55 An end to animal testing 8:56-9:30 Summary and final thoughts  9:31-9:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

Three factors that allowed us to prevail in the face of overwhelming odds. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-3:30 Intro: the judge granted the petition to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms for criminal animal cruelty, & the first reason we won Chapter 2) 3:31-6:56 The second reason we won Chapter 3) 6:57-10:11 The third reason we won Chapter 4) 10:12-13:31 Final thoughts: why, how, & who can achieve change for animals Chapter 5) 13:32-13:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Can We Rescue 60,000 Tortured Dogs? (Episode 16) https://youtu.be/z1t_J9hMuaw  Beagle Experiments Exposed In Court (Ep. 48) https://youtu.be/SmX2yEq6I8g  —

People keep accusing me of stealing animals. I speak to Jade Ara of the Stop Yulin Podcast on why they’re wrong.  — Subscribe to Stop Yulin channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@stopyulin8640  Also watch and like the original full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/eRdnHSq597Y Follow Jade: https://www.facebook.com/jade.ara.12  https://www.instagram.com/jade_ara_stopyulin/  https://x.com/JadeAraa  https://www.threads.net/@jade_ara_stopyulin  https://www.youtube.com/@jadex38 — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! To find out how you can help the dogs at Ridglan Farms, join the Open Rescue Advocates Meeting on January 12th at 4pmPT/7pmET in San Francisco or on online: https://www.simpleheart.org/ora  Follow Wayne on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-1:06 Wayne’s intro on joining the Stop Yulin Podcast Chapter 2) 1:07-1:14 Stop Yulin intro (Also watch the original episode with the full intro and outro & subscribe, links above) Chapter 3) 1:15-18:46 Introducing Wayne - his activism, family history, and childhood Chapter 4) 18:47-33:40 When Wayne found out about the Yulin Dog Meat Festival, Wayne’s first dog named Vivian, & on learning why and how to do investigations and rescues Chapter 5) 33:41-39:31 On getting involved in the Yulin campaign & on the 2016 investigation and dog rescue in Yulin Chapter 6) 39:32-42:45 2017 interview of Julianne Perry on the 2016 investigation and rescue of her dog named Pao Chapter 7) 42:46-51:43 (continued) on 2016 investigation & dog rescue in Yulin Chapter 8) 51:44-1:00:38 Dog meat trade and farms in different countries, on rescuing Oliver and two other dogs, & on being caught at a dog meat slaughterhouse Chapter 9) 1:00:39-1:10:28 How they got the dogs out of Yulin & on activist Marc Ching Chapter 10) 1:10:29-1:23:34 The victory in South Korea, on the progress of social change & on infighting in the animal rights movement Chapter 11) 1:23:35-1:36:05 On Direct Action Everywhere (DxE), on the law, & on why Wayne went to jail in 2023 for the animals Chapter 12) 1:36:06-1:48:36 On the Ridglan Beagle Rescue Trial and the petition for a Special Prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms (please note: this episode was recorded before the petition was granted), on Wayne’s nonprofit The SimpleHeart Initiative, on stepping down as leader organizer of DxE, on the victories in the Smithfield and Foster Farms Trials, on strategy and goals of animal rights movement, & follow Wayne on Substack and YouTube, links above Chapter 13) 1:48:37-1:49:01 Stop Yulin outro video - Subscribe to the channel, link above Chapter 14) 1:49:02-1:49:18 Wayne’s outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Links: “The Dog I Took a Beating For” by Wayne Hsiung https://medium.com/direct-action-everywhere-dxe/the-dog-i-took-a-beating-for-e24fdbb3ed7f  The Albany Movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Movement  The Birmingham Campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign  Letter from a Birmingham Jail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail  —

It’s very simple: have faith.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:36 Intro, on YouTube content and the newsletter on Substack, how to start 2025, & on being criminally changed in 2018 for open rescue Chapter 2) 5:37-11:13 The first reason we should be hopeful & on using information and technology Chapter 3) 11:14-14:40  The second reason we should be hopeful & building connections Chapter 4) 14:41-20:08 The third reason we should be hopeful & faith in creating change for the animals Chapter 5) 20:09-21:43 Final thoughts and thank you Chapter 6) 21:44-22:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books/Articles Mentioned: “Republic.com” by Cass Sunstein (2001) “A Political Movement for Animal Rights Is Coming” by Wayne Hsiung November 22, 2024  https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/author/wayne-hsiung  “The Law of Social Entropy” by Wayne Hsiung December 28, 2023https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/the-law-of-social-entropy —

The real reason men are killing people across the nation.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! — Follow Jeremy: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy   Watch our podcast with Kam Waters: https://youtu.be/S3DXB8AvPMs  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-6:20 Intro, post-election takes, & why are there so many angry men out there Chapter 2) 6:21-16:44 The tragedy in New Orleans & comparing Democrats and Republicans Chapter 3) 16:45-27:41 The loss of the public’s trust in the government, on the perpetrator in New Orleans, & how men are affected by society’s cultural norms Chapter 4) 27:42-38:11 Disconnection and loneliness, if the government invested in helping people that need help, & on the unconditional love from dogs Chapter 5) 38:12-54:54 Corrupted incentives, how people change, how systems function or fail, & on the documentary Christspiracy  Chapter 6) 54:55-1:03:39 On the film “The Joker” with spoilers, the isolation of individuals in society, on Jeremy his YouTube channel, & Wayne and his dogs Chapter 7) 1:03:40-1:13:00 On having a connection with a person or a nonhuman animal, Wayne’s difficult time in school, & Jermey in military-type school Chapter 8) 1:13:01-1:20:46 What some of these angry men have in common, North Carolina's military bases, factory farms, and slaughterhouses, on the “crimes” of helping animals, & on crimes that hurt animals Chapter 9) 1:20:47-1:34:10 There’s a higher law and extremists perverting that with violence, on the public perception of Luigi Mangione, & how both domesticated and wild animals are vulnerable  Chapter 10) 1:34:11-1:38:41 On Wayne befriending a factory farm owner & on the Gaia Hypothesis (by James Lovelock) Chapter 11) 1:38:42-1:46:24 Lessons we can learn from these angry men and how to stop this violence from happening again, subscribe to Jeremy’s Youtube channel (link above), & like and comment on Jeremy’s and Wayne’s YouTube channel  Chapter 12) 1:46:25-1:46:41 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Movies mentioned: “Zone of Interest” (2023) “Christspiracy” (2024) “The Joker” (2019) “Joker: Folie à Deux” (2024) “Top Gun” (1986) “The Smell of Money” (2022) “What The Health” (2017) “Jaws” (1975) —

On the virtues of making friends with your enemies. — Watch “Operation Deathstar”: https://youtu.be/wlSE1X-hSqQ  Watch Rick testifying at the Smithfield Rescue Trial“One of the defense’s star witnesses, a turkey farmer who had one of his animals taken by activists, explains to the prosecutor why he supports what they do. He does an impressive job repelling her questions. #SmithfieldTrial” -Marina Bolotnikova https://x.com/mbolotnikova/status/1578806031102009349/video/1  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-4:59 Intro: a phone call because the FBI was at an animal sanctuary, investigating Circle Four Farms in 2017 (Operation Deathstar link above), & charges against rescuers Chapter 2) 5:00-8:54 Learning after being criminally charged, on the Smithfield Rescue Trial in Utah, & on Norbest Turkey rescue charges Chapter 3) 8:55-21:05 Meeting and befriending Rick Pitman, why people do what they do, & on FOIA requests and animal welfare at the slaughterhouse Chapter 4) 21:06-28:32 Sharing criticisms, sharing personal things in common, & Rick testifying at the Smithfield Rescue Trial in Utah (video link above) Chapter 5) 28:33-33:30 Important lessons learned, let us know what lessons that you learned, & thank you all for the support! Chapter 6) 33:31-33:46 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

I confront Vegan Gains on his “problematic” views. It goes ok. Sort of. — Follow Vegan Gains: https://www.patreon.com/vegangains https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/ https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial https://www.twitter.com/VeganGains — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:29 Intro, Youtuber Vegan Gains: Richard Burgess, controversial views on sexual harassment/abuse & the #MeToo movement in activist movements, & specific cases Chapter 2) 11:30-30:34 Having a broad conversation sexual harassment/abuse & the #MeToo movement, & trying to not talk about specific cases Chapter 3) 30:35-35:15 Extreme positions in activist movements Chapter 4) 35:16-46:59 On the Israel/Palestine war Chapter 5) 47:00-1:02:06 Wayne on his awkward laughter, reacting to inappropriate behavior, on power dynamics, calm assessments of evidence compared to extreme conclusions of evidence, & Richard’s interpretation of the evidence Chapter 6) 1:02:07-1:13:43 On restorative justice, on having thoughtful conversations, where views originate Chapter 7) 1:13:44-1:24:43 Wayne on why Richard is so interesting, & on why people react they way they do: concerns, bias, &/or conformity Chapter 8) 1:24:44-1:37:39 On the public disruption of Wayne and Peter Singer, Richard’s controversial opinions on the way people react or don’t want to debate, & on having hard conversations Chapter 9) 1:37:40-1:46:56 Can people have agreements after having conversations, on the empathy of human and nonhumans, & tendencies of human culture Chapter 10) 1:46:57-1:49:58 Richard’s final thoughts, on meditation, & Gummy the cat and Oliver the dog Chapter 11) 1:49:59-1:50:15 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “Humanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Century” by John Glover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Glover  —

Opposition to animal sacrifice was central to Jesus’s teachings. That’s the argument documentary maker Kam Waters makes in his provocative documentary Christspiracy. And he has incredible, fascinating evidence to support his thesis. If you have Christian family, or if you’re simply curious about the true origins of Christianity and Christmas, this is the perfect documentary to watch this holiday season. — Watch: https://www.christspiracy.com  Follow Christspiracy, links below. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:15 Intro, Kameron Water: one of the directors of the documentary Christspriacy, Kameron on why religion matters, how the film Christspriacy developed, a vegan “identity,” & the religious identity Chapter 2) 10:16-20:28 Wayne’s interest in spirituality, Kameron on his religion, on their companion animals, & on the death of animals Chapter 3) 20:29-35:06 Kameron on religions, different connections with animals as food, finding new connections with animals not as food, & activism’s connection to faith Chapter 4) 35:07-48:10 On Kameron’s family’s journey to not eating animals, Kameron’s journey to not eating animals, enriching religion and faith with ethical veganism, & on Seventh-Day Adventists Chapter 5) 48:11-1:00:07 The source of not hurting animals in Chrispiracy, on John the Baptist, & on James’s spiritual leadership after Jesus Chapter 6) 1:00:08-1:17:29 Tempered radicalism, why Jesus and animals have not been discussed before, on Costco and Whole Foods animal welfare lies, & understanding systems Chapter 7) 1:17:30-1:32:36 Why Jesus and James cared about animals, wrong translations of the bible, & Jesus’s quoted scriptures of others about not killing animals Chapter 8) 1:32:37-1:41:48 How animal rights activists can talk to Christians about animals, follow @ Christspiracy on all social media, & thank you to all activists that take direct action for the animals Chapter 9) 1:41:49-1:42:05 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Christspiracy: https://www.instagram.com/christspiracy/  https://x.com/christspiracy  https://www.tiktok.com/@christspiracy  https://www.youtube.com/@christspiracyfilm  https://www.facebook.com/christspiracy  Follow Kameron: https://www.facebook.com/kameron.waters  https://www.instagram.com/kameronwaters/  https://www.facebook.com/kameron.waters  https://x.com/kameronwaters  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kameron-waters-8329042a/  https://www.youtube.com/@kamh2os —

The bizarre story of the mass reindeer slaughter at Christmas – and what we can do to stop it. — Follow Rich: https://www.instagram.com/notasnatureintended/  https://richcampaigns.myportfolio.com/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:26 Intro, Rich Hardy: author of  “Not as Nature Intended” & on the hidden reindeer slaughter business Chapter 2) 11:27-19:49 Who buys reindeer as meat, bunnies in the fur industry, & exceptions in the laws  Chapter 3) 19:50-28:44 How Rich learned about the hidden reindeer slaughter business, the public reaction to growing transparency of animal agricultural industries and cognitive dissonance, & how Rich became an investigator Chapter 4) 28:45-45:37 Why Rich became an investigator, on investigations and mental health, & advice on balancing activism and mental health Chapter 5) 45:38-56:09 Looking at the big picture in activism and life, Rich on veganic farming, & animal agriculture contaminating vegetable agriculture Chapter 6) 56:10-1:03:04 How social justice movements change society & feelings and communication of humans and animals Chapter 7) 1:03:05-1:13:35 Rich on learning about people during investigations & Big Ag corporations lying about animal agriculture Chapter 8) 1:13:36-1:27:13 Rich’s other investigative work, on rabbit and quail factory farms, & on communicating (and dishonesty) with people Chapter 9) 1:27:14-1:39:26 Workers caught in the systems, on antibiotics used in the animal agriculture industries, & laws for animals that are not enforced Chapter 10) 1:39:27-1:45:01 Is there accountability in democracy and government, Rich’s advice on how to become an activist and investigator, & follow Rich in Instagram, link above. — Books Mentioned: “Not as Nature Intended” by Rich Hardy https://www.waterstones.com/book/not-as-nature-intended/rich-hardy/9781789650631  The Harry Potter series —

Today, we are in court arguing against Whole Foods’ effort to bankrupt me after I exposed their lies about “humane” farms. Here’s the behind the scenes story as to how I ended up in court. #WholeFoods - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapter 1) 0:00-15:49 Intro: Wayne explains the Diestel court case and thoughts on the Whole Foods livestream. Chapter 2) 15:50-46:59 Livestream: “Wayne gets Arrested for Asking a Question.” from April 4th 2018 Chapter 3) 47:00-47:15 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Nathan and I discuss the deep-seated human desire for retribution – and how to harness it for change. — Follow Nathan: https://x.com/NathanJRobinson Follow Current Affairs: https://www.currentaffairs.org https://www.patreon.com/currentaffairs More links below. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:18 Intro, Nathan Robinson of Current Affairs, on those that profit from healthcare, & how to handle injustices of healthcare Chapter 2) 10:19-19:47 On suspected shooter Luigi Mangione, media coverage not talking about the underlying problems with the healthcare system, & why some try to justify the unjustifiable violence they choose to do Chapter 3) 19:48-27:37 Moral justice in social justice movements, on Bernie Sanders, & on Socialism Chapter 4) 27:38-38:59 Incremental change compared to immediate change in activism, Nathan’s personal and political journey, & on the Iraq War Chapter 5) 39:00-48:31 Emotional effect of seeing footage of suffering, the positive vision of social justice movements, on Socialism and animal rights, & on moral philosophers and animal rights Chapter 6) 48:32-58:33 The normalization of ignoring animal rights, how to undo the normalization of ignoring animal rights, & the rapid changes of social justice movements Chapter 7) 58:34-1:01:41 How to respond to injustices of the system and institutions & follow Current Affairs & Nathan (links above & below) Chapter 8) 1:01:42-1:01:58 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books/Articles Mentioned: “The Myth of American Idealism” by Nathan J. Robinson and Noam Chomsky https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/why-you-should-read-the-myth-of-american-idealism PNAS: “The global biomass of wild mammals” https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204892120 “Wild mammals make up only a few percent of the world’s mammals” by Hannah Ritchie https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass “A Political Movement for Animal Rights Is Coming” by Wayne Hsiung https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/a-political-movement-for-animal-rights-is-coming “'It's A Cookbook': Animal Welfare Cascades” by Cass Sunstein https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3866727 “The Strength of Weak Ties” by Mark Granovetter https://www.jstor.org/stable/2776392 PDF link: https://snap.stanford.edu/class/cs224w-readings/granovetter73weakties.pdf “50 years on, Mark Granovetter’s ‘The Strength of Weak Ties’ is stronger than ever” by Melissa De Witte https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2023/07/strength-weak-ties “Threshold Models of Collective Behavior” by Mark Granovetter https://sociology.stanford.edu/publications/threshold-models-collective-behavior PDF link: https://www2.cs.siu.edu/~hexmoor/classes/CS539-F10/Collective-Behavior.pdf “Why You Should Be a Socialist” by Nathan J. Robinson https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2019/12/why-you-should-buy-why-you-should-be-a-socialist — Follow Nathan: https://www.nathanjrobinson.com https://www.instagram.com/nathan___robinson/ https://www.facebook.com/njrobinson https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-robinson-751b211a/ Follow Current Affairs: https://www.linktr.ee/CurrentAffairs https://currentaffairs.substack.com/ https://x.com/CurAffairs https://www.threads.net/@currentaffairsmag https://www.tiktok.com/@current.affairs.mag https://www.instagram.com/currentaffairsmag/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/current-affairs-mag/ —

Justin Goodman, a Senior Vice President at White Coat Waste, was tarred as a racist & mocked as a conspiracy theorist for questioning Anthony Fauci’s experiments on animals at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, including so-called “gain of function” at a Wuhan virus lab. But four years later, the dust has settled, & he won. We talk about how it happened, & what the Fauci beagle story says about science, government, & the future of animal rights. — Follow: https://www.whitecoatwaste.org https://x.com/JustinRGoodman — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro: Justin Goodman of White Coat Waste Project (WCW Project), animals experiments under any political administration, & can DOGE (Department Of Government Efficiency) can save animals during the incoming Trump administration Chapter 2) 8:12 On Fauci, on ending chimpanzee experiments, beagles experiments, & kitten experiments, how experiments on animals get funded by the government, & on Dr. Livingstone animal experiments Chapter 3) 22:09 On why scientists & vivisectors overlook ethical concerns, how to stop funding unnecessary government research on animals, & John Gluck on Harry Harlow Chapter 4) 35:15 How government funding experiments on animals started & continues Chapter 5) 40:43 WCW Project investigating animal experiments & “respiratory illness” (Covid-19) in 2019 & Fauci, & zoonotic diseases from animal testing lab leaks & factory farm animals but not from wet markets Chapter 6) 50:28 Public criticism toward Justin & WCW Project for saying animal testing lab leaks started Covid-19, & how Fauci lied that Covid-19 was not from animal testing lab leaks because he did not want government funding animal experiments to end Chapter 7) 1:01:05 Trust & mistrust in government institutions especially during the pandemic, exposing Fauci & government officials lying about funding animal testing labs that caused Covid-19, & “the banality of evil” in animal research Chapter 8) 1:11:10 WCW Project investigations (in 2021) exposing Fauci/NIH beagle testing, bipartisan & public criticism of Fauci/NIH, The Washington Post coverage lying WCW Project evidence of Fauci/NIH funding beagle testing, WCW Project FOIA requests for Fauci/NIH funding beagle testing, & The Washington Post published a weak retraction article but they did not correct prior false coverage Chapter 9) 1:28:31 Justin’s communication w/The Washington Post journalists, on mainstream media coverage, fear among activists in the animal rights movement,& on the Ridglan Farms Beagle case Chapter 10) 1:37:33 Recent change in cultural & political perception of animal testing & on the closing of Envigo dog breed Chapter 11) 1:43:35 What is the future for farmed animals compared to lab animals in the animal right movement, single-issue campaigns, & building relationships Chapter 12) 1:54:18 Justin’s most important lessons for animal rights activists,& follow WCW Project & Justin (links above/below) Chapter 13) 1:57:48 Outro video - Thanks for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Articles/Books: “DOGE Can Save Dogs—and Tax Dollars | Opinion” https://www.newsweek.com/doge-can-save-dogs-tax-dollars-opinion-1992671 "Documents Link Potential Covid Patient Zero to U.S.-Funded Research in Wuhan" https://theintercept.com/2023/06/17/covid-origin-wuhan-patient-zero/ The Trial by Franz Kafka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial  — Follow: https://www.blog.whitecoatwaste.org https://www.youtube.com/@WhiteCoatWaste https://www.instagram.com/whitecoatwaste/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/white-coat-waste-project/ https://x.com/WhiteCoatWaste https://www.facebook.com/whitecoatwaste https://www.tiktok.com/@whitecoatwaste https://www.threads.net/@whitecoatwaste — Links: DOGE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Efficiency

Melanie Joy is a Harvard-educated psychologist who focuses on how individual mental patterns can cause (or block) social transformation. And she has focused much of her work recently on so-called “relational dysfunction” and “dysregulation” are undermining, not just social movements, but all of human society. We talk about what dysfunction and dysregulation in relationships looks like, and how to overcome it, in this conversation. — Beyond Carnism’s website: https://carnism.org/  Learn more about Melanie’s award-winning book, “Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows” and download the first chapter for free: https://carnism.org/books  End Infighting website:https://infighting.org/  Learn more about Melanie’s book, “How to End Injustice Everywhere”: https://infighting.org/how-to-end-injustice-everywhere  Beyond Carnism’s social media links: https://www.instagram.com/beyondcarnism  https://www.facebook.com/beyondcarnism  https://bsky.app/profile/beyondcarnism.bsky.social  https://youtube.com/@BeyondCarnism/  Melanie Joy’s social media links: https://www.instagram.com/drmelaniejoy  https://www.facebook.com/melaniejoyphd  https://bsky.app/profile/drmelaniejoy.bsky.social  https://www.linkedin.com/in/drmelaniejoy/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-14:09 Intro, what is relational literacy (integrity, communication, and connection), social media, & responding to people that act morally superior to others Chapter 2) 14:10-27:01 How to not call out individuals for bad behavior & on publicly shaming institutions Chapter 3) 27:02-42:59 On anger vs contempt, on shame vs guilt, & how to use your anger in a productive way Chapter 4) 43:00-53:09 On mindfulness and meditation & on social media and capitalism Chapter 5) 53:10-1:04:04 About building relational literacy & are there limits of relational literacy Chapter 6) 1:04:05-1:08:43 Why Melanie started working on relational literacy and activist infighting, use Beyond Carnism resources, & follow Beyond Carnism and Melanie (links above) Chapter 7) 1:08:44-1:09:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books/Articles Mentioned: “No Bad Parts: Healing Trauma and Restoring Wholeness with the Internal Family Systems Model” by Richard C. Schwartz (2021): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Schwartz  “Getting Relationships Right: How to Build Resilience and Thrive in Life, Love, and Work” by Melanie Joy: https://carnism.org/book/getting-relationships-right/  “The Sociopaths Among Us—And How to Avoid Them: You’re bound to come across the ‘Dark Triad’ type of malignant narcissists in life—and they can be superficially appealing. Better to look for their exact opposite.” by Arthur C. Brooks: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/dark-triads-toxic-personalities/675683/  — Movies mentioned: “Blackfish” (2013, Documentary) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfish_(film)  “Inside Out” (2015) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Out_(2015_film)  “Inside Out 2” (2024) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Out_2  — Apps mentioned: “Waking Up: Meditation & Wisdom”  (This app is available only on the App Store for iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch.) https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waking-up-meditation-wisdom/id1307736395  “Waking Up: Beyond Meditation” https://apps.apple.com/ni/app/waking-up-beyond-meditation/id1307736395  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wakingup.android&hl=en_US&pli=1  — Other links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyashanti  https://adyashanti.opengatesangha.org/  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shukman  https://henryshukman.com/  https://lochkelly.org/  https://veganadvocacy.org/  —

What do horror movies, antebellum slavery, and cannibalism have in common? They all connect to the economic conditions required for political transformation — including the struggle for animal rights. This conversation with YouTuber Andrew Rakich (Atun-Shei Films) dives deeply into what we can learn from atrocities (both fictional and real) on how to create change. — Why Ravenous is the Greatest Movie Ever Made: https://youtu.be/oeUrwVXGL-4 Overanalyzing Ravenous: https://youtu.be/roRD4F9pg5s  (Other links below.) — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-9:12 Intro: history, traditions, religions/spirituality, horror movies, and the connections to animals rights Chapter 2) 9:13-22:13 Cannibalism, YouTube monetization, & factory farms, society’s values and taboos towards speciesism, beagles at Ridglan Farms Chapter 3) 22:14-35:36 Activists targeted for telling the truth, right-wing populism is rising due to unresolved political issues, & how the world will change Chapter 4) 35:37-47:44 On dog food, ethical considerations, & how movements succeed: social vs economic Chapter 5) 47:45-1:01:24 Who is abolitionist Benjamin Lay & how injustices intersect Chapter 6) 1:01:25-1:14:30 Learning from abolitionist Benjamin Lay & economic changes in society  Chapter 7) 1:14:31-1:25:49 Social and narrative changes in society & identity politics  Chapter 8) 1:25:50-1:33:42 Abolitionist Benjamin Lay’s cave, connection to Benjamin Franklin, and daily vegan/animal rights activism  Chapter 9) 1:33:43-1:45:32 Environmentalists and vegans, how to achieve systemic change, & the Denver ballot initiative Chapter 10) 1:44:33-1:51:13 How Andrew became a self-taught “historian” on YouTube & follow Andrew and Atun-Shei Films on social media (links below) Chapter 11) 1:51:14-1:51:29 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Atun-Shei Films: https://www.youtube.com/@AtunSheiFilms   https://www.patreon.com/atunsheifilms  https://www.teespring.com/stores/atun-shei-films  https://www.atunsheifilms.com  https://www.twitter.com/atun_shei  https://www.vimeo.com/atunsheifilms  https://www.instagram.com/atunsheifilms/  https://www.facebook.com/atunsheifilm Watch The Sudbury Devil https://www.atunsheifilms.vhx.tv  — Follow Andrew: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewrakich  https://www.facebook.com/the.name.on.the.grave.is.arch.stanton  https://x.com/atun_shei  https://www.instagram.com/andrew.rakich/  — Books Mentioned: “Night” by Elie Wiesel “What's the Matter with Kansas?” by Thomas Frank “All Slave-Keepers That Keep the Innocent in Bondage, Apostates” by Benjamin Lay “A Way to Health, Long Life, and Happiness (1691 Edition)” by Thomas Tryon — Movies mentioned: “Ravenous” (1999 - R - Horror/Western - 1h 41m) “The Texas Chain Saw Massacre” (1974 - R - Horror/Crime - 1h 23m) “Babe”  (1995 -  G - Family/Comedy - 1h 31m) — Other links: Benjamin Lay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay  “He Was an Anti-Racist Vegan Radical... in 1738”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIkQrr8pgSI 

Trent Loos and I met on the day that I organized a rescue that sent me to jail. And Trent was part of the charge pushing the government to put me in prison. So why am I talking to him during the holiday season about things on which we agree? — Trent on XTwitter: https://x.com/trentloos  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-9:51 Intro, happy to have another conversation, nonhuman animals: property or not property, on Measure J in Sonoma County, companies lying to the public, factory farming, on appealing the Sunrise Farms case (in Sonoma County),  Chapter 2) 9:52-20:56 Why cannibalism happens on farms compared to the wild, mortality rates on factory farms, & animals in the wild Chapter 3) 20:57-34:25 Animals in cages, employees on factory farms, companies not adhering to animal welfare standards, on Smithfield Foods, ending subsidies to factory farms, & the general welfare of the public Chapter 4) 34:26-46:51 On political parties, corporate welfare compared to public welfare, subsidizing factory farms that kill animals, on the USDA, on the Farm Bureau, & the ASPCA and the Humane Society  Chapter 5) 46:52-51:48 On the “Right to Repair,” John Deere, and the Farm Bureau, on monopolies of other systems that only help corporations, on the incoming Presidential administration,  Chapter 6) 51:49-57:43 What is the solution to the problems, the lack of trust in institutions, on working together, & how to resist the large concentrations of power Chapter 7) 57:44-57:58 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

James Aspey and I talk about how he gained nearly 50 pounds of muscle while eating mostly Pad Thai, and the merits of taking the Liberation Pledge at Thanksgiving. — Follow James: https://www.youtube.com/@James_Aspey  https://www.instagram.com/jimmycashpey/  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=706979461  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61550037632451 https://twitter.com/jamesaspey_  [email protected]  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-16:46 Intro, James Aspey to Jimmy Cashpey, on the Liberation Pledge, on vegan fitness/health influencers, & on safely using steroids and exercising with health issues Chapter 2) 16:47-28:44 On misinformation about soy, Wayne and former Whole Foods CEO John Mackey, & more on safely using steroids and exercising with health issues Chapter 3) 28:45-40:20 Steroids & testosterone replacement therapy, Wayne’s immune system, James and pain management, & Wayne and football teammates exercising as a teen Chapter 4) 40:21-46:04 “Natural food” compared to “processed food” and a plant-based diet  Chapter 5) 46:05-1:06:04 More on the Liberation Pledge, briefly meet James’s cat named JC (black cat), on the book “Animal Liberation” and Peter Singer, the three parts of the Liberation Pledge, & talking with family Chapter 6) 1:06:05-1:17:24 James’s idea: annual Liberation Pledge Day, the power of speaking up that each vegan has to affect change, Wayne at his mom’s funeral, & James confronts Wayne Chapter 7) 1:17:25-1:24:40 On vegan meat, on lab meat, a restaurant served James chicken instead of vegan chicken, different ways people take the Liberation Pledge, & benefits of the Liberation Pledge Chapter 8) 1:24:41-1:31:24 Argument for everyone taking the Liberation Pledge, on Gary Yourofsky, on James’s album with 30 songs, & briefly meet James’s cat named Dexter (tabby cat) Chapter 9) 1:31:25-1:37:11 James’s recently released rap about COP29 on Instagram (link below) & follow James on Instagram (@jimmycashpey), YouTube, and Facebook (links above) Chapter 10) 1:37:12-1:37:16 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “Animal Liberation” by Peter Singer — Links: Conversation from 2017 Eat At Tables Where Animals Are Served? (w/ Wayne Hsuing, DxE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57DX5UelIWU  Previous podcasts https://youtu.be/w4HyZdxC8go https://youtu.be/1stmGzdgutw Liberation Pledgehttps://liberationpledge.com/  “Peter Singer Wants to Shatter Your Moral Complacency” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/02/magazine/peter-singer-interview.html  IG @ jimmycashpey - COP29 Rap Reaction video https://www.instagram.com/p/DCdAbiQsF0J/  —

I speak to renowned philosopher Peter Singer about his new book, Consider the Turkey, and about his new artificial intelligence platform, Peter Singer AI, which allows him to answer an unlimited number of ethical questions without doing any work himself! Peter has some surprising recommendations: including a possible boycott of Thanksgiving! — “Consider the Turkey” by Peter Singer: https://shop.peta.org/consider-the-turkey.html  https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691231686/consider-the-turkey  Peter Singer AI: https://www.petersinger.ai  (More links below.) — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-9:27 Intro, Peter has not retired, Peter’s new book “Consider the Turkey,” & how the animal agricultural industry violates turkeys for “artificial insemination” and the slaughters of turkeys  Chapter 2) 9:28-19:27 Peter on boycotting Thanksgiving, intelligence of turkeys & the story of Cornelius the turkey Chapter 3) 19:28-28:25 Self-awareness of turkeys, Peter and his family hosting as vegetarian/vegan, & Peter on speaking at non-vegan or vegan events Chapter 4) 28:26-35:23 The ethics of AI & how AI affects non-human animals Chapter 5) 35:24-49:24 What is “Peter Singer AI,” the ethics of eating mammals/being vegetarian in different countries/communities, & the corruption of religion and philosophical traditions Chapter 6) 49:25-55:01 Any worries about “Peter Singer AI,” advice to people on talking with friends and family during the holidays, & Peter’s new book “Consider the Turkey” (links above)  Chapter 7) 55:02-55:17 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Peter Singer: https://www.petersinger.info/  https://www.petersinger.info/podcast  https://www.instagram.com/peter__singer https://www.facebook.com/PeterSingerOfficialPage https://twitter.com/PeterSinger  https://www.linkedin.com/in/petersinger/  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC20JvMah3yzx8SthM5OOCzA  https://boldreasoningwithpetersinger.substack.com/  — New York Times article: “Peter Singer Wants to Shatter Your Moral Complacency” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/02/magazine/peter-singer-interview.html  —

There’s a tendency for many to avoid conversation, much less confrontation, around the turkeys being served at our Thanksgiving dinner. Mark Westcombe, the director for Animal Think Tank, explains why we should do the opposite: tough personal conversations are crucial to building a mass movement!  — Boycott & Anniversary Letter (Liberation Pledge letter Mark sent to friends and family): https://docs.google.com/document/d/18v_gIRIKkQwenhunN5BkY8-WZUsF12glLvuPacCMYWM/edit?usp=sharing  Why The Liberation Pledge Works: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11bsmj-UU27Ao3auBKBV_yn7rcZ-hPpd8mmhu4dl6o8w/edit?tab=t.0 — Follow Mark: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-westcombe/  Follow Animal Think Tank: https://animalthinktank.org.uk/  (More links below.) — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-16:46 Intro, Mark’s animal rights activists journey before Animal Think Tank & on mass movements to negotiate positive change Chapter 2) 16:47-27:58 Mark’s personal story as an manger and setting up a commune, how people are changing, & capacity in the animal rights movement Chapter 3) 27:59-44:21 Mark’s life after leaving the commune and becoming an activist & Mark on being gay Chapter 4) 44:22-54:02 Mark’s coming out “story,” “coming out” as a vegan/animal rights activist, & how food is connected to love, identity, and family  Chapter 5) 54:03-1:09:46 The Liberation Pledge, Peter Singer, & how Mark does The Liberation Pledge Chapter 6) 1:09:47-1:18:23 Wayne on the Liberation Pledge and Doug McAdam, Mark talking to colleagues about the Liberation Pledge, & speaking up against sexism Chapter 7) 1:18:24-1:21:18 Mark’s mom’s funeral Chapter 8) 1:21:19-1:23:32 Wayne’s mom’s funeral Chapter 9) 1:23:33-1:34:44 Institutions, clubs, and the Liberation Pledge  Chapter 10) 1:34:45-1:45:00 Why the Liberation Pledge is not widespread, the historical sacrifices of activists, & Wayne’s ties Chapter 11) 1:45:01-1:52:17 How to reignite the Liberation Pledge, Mark’s advice to activists about the Liberation Pledge and Thanksgiving, & follow Mark and Animal Think Tank (links below) Chapter 12) 1:54:18-1:54:33 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Animal Think Tank: https://animalthinktank.org.uk/  https://animalthinktank.substack.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/company/animal-think-tank/  https://www.instagram.com/animal_think_tank/  https://x.com/AnimalThinkTank  https://www.facebook.com/animalthinktank  — Books Mentioned: “Bury the Chains” by Adam Hochschild —

Elon Musk defended Peanut the squirrel - but also funds grotesque experiments on monkeys in labs. And Elon is like many people in his bizarre, inconsistent views on animal rights. What explains the hypocrisy? And what can be done to overcome it? — Follow David: https://youtube.com/@davidramms https://patreon.com/davidramms  https://www.instagram.com/davidramms/  https://davidramms.substack.com/ https://davidramms.com/  https://twitter.com/itsdavidramms https://www.facebook.com/itsdavidramms  https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidramms/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-12:40 Intro, public reactions to the killing of Peanut the Squirrel and Fred the Racoon, how Peanut’s story affected the US Presidential election, & a broken government system Chapter 2) 12:41-21:08 A bad government system not a conspiracy & animals legally seen as property Chapter 3) 21:09-30:06 Elon’s cognitive dissonance towards animals & Elon and Effective Altruism Chapter 4) 30:07-44:02 Fear of talking about animal rights issues, pressure campaigns, political leanings of activists, & tribalism’s lack of empathy Chapter 5) 44:03-57:28 Peanut’s story should have been bipartisan, David’s controversial opinions, & Wayne’s controversial opinions Chapter 6) 57:29-1:02:41 Exploitative systems towards humans and animals Chapter 7) 1:02:42-1:26:07 On exercise and health, overcoming bad habits and addictions for positive changes, & on old and new video games Chapter 8) 1:26:08-1:37:41 Detachment from the real suffering of animals, on daily living, & on insects Chapter 9) 1:37:42-1:47:09 David’s advice to animal rights activists, why PETA and the animal rights movement didn’t talk about Peanut, & follow David on YouTube Chapter 10) 1:47:10-1:47:26 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Links: “Peanut the Squirrel’s Death Reveals a Dark Truth About Us” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lw-4zng1Jk  “Did This Pet Squirrel Actually Influence the Election?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP0dIyYOCbc “How the US Election Reveals a Critical Insight for Vegans” https://davidramms.substack.com/p/how-the-us-election-reveals-a-critical  — Books Mentioned: “Elon Musk” by Walter Isaacson

What happens when a joyous vegan enters the disturbing halls of an industrial factory farm?  Jamie Logan is what I’d call a joyous vegan. Her activism is filled with warmth and humor, even as she speaks strongly for animal rights. I had her on the show because of a recent change in her activism: she has started going undercover into factory farms, witnessing things that are anything but joyous.  How does she manage the tension between joy and anger? How does she find peace while witnessing things that no one should witness? We discuss in the latest episode.  — Akin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S6hiq0EXjk Allied scholars tour: https://www.instagram.com/p/DBSF_6fJN6P/?img_index=1 Vegan fashion show: https://www.instagram.com/p/DBd07Y7JQrf/ Rather go naked than wear leather: https://www.instagram.com/p/C_1Y5zEJ8EG/?img_index=1 Fishing demo: https://www.instagram.com/p/C_xoeK3pWLr/?img_index=1 Pig crate art installation: ​​https://www.instagram.com/p/C_rJgGfpAz2/?img_index=1  Down with dairy art campaign: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAtKBMNJYes/ Yale disruption: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAcIA38JnLC/  JIVAMUKTI YOGA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLf_m8oyEto Charlie the (mechanical) cow: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAwD_JZpWo7/?img_index=3 — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-16:19 Intro, Jamie is doing so much activism for animals, details of the investigation with the “AKIN” documentary in the UK, & a transition in Jamie’s activism Chapter 2) 16:20-24:37 Jamie on investigating the pig farm, other undercover investigators, & the importance of animal rescue Chapter 3) 24:38-35:00 Animal rights activism with controversial art (Speciesism WTF, 269, Dan Dunbar) Chapter 4) 35:01-48:40 Risks of doing investigations & where/why investigations are happening Chapter 5) 48:41-59:47 How Jamie continues to stay positive & doing animal rights activism at colleges Chapter 6) 59:48-1:25:08 Fishing exhibition/demonstration (post link above), & Jamie on self-care through yoga & spirituality Chapter 7) 1:25:09-1:36:32 Wayne on Buddhism, Jamie on being a better person, what an important investment is, how Jamie continues to do activism, & follow Jamie (links below) Chapter 8) 1:36:33-1:36:48 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Jamie: https://www.itsjamiescorner.com  https://www.facebook.com/jamie.kurtzer  https://www.facebook.com/itsjamiescorner/  https://www.instagram.com/itsjamielogan/  https://www.instagram.com/itsjamiescorner/  https://www.instagram.com/jsykpodcast/  https://x.com/itsjamiescorner  ​​https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjamiescorner?lang=en  https://www.youtube.com/@JamiesCornershow  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-logan-5232b233/  https://www.threads.net/@itsjamielogan  Follow Speciesism WTF: https://www.instagram.com/speciesism.wtf/  https://www.threads.net/@speciesism.wtf  https://www.facebook.com/speciesism.wtf  https://x.com/speciesismWTF  Follow Animal Justice Project: https://www.animaljusticeproject.com  https://www.facebook.com/animaljusticeproject  https://www.instagram.com/animaljusticeproject  https://www.twitter.com/ajpReact  ​​https://www.tiktok.com/@animaljusticeproject?lang=en  https://www.youtube.com/@AnimalJusticeProject https://www.linkedin.com/company/animal-justice-project/  https://www.threads.net/@animaljusticeproject

Pnut, a rescued squirrel seized and killed by the New York State Police, played a shocking last minute role in the election of Donald Trump. What does this mean for the future of animal rights? I discuss with Jeremy Beckham.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-14:25 Intro, backlash against Trump from the animal rights movement, interest on social media about Pnut the squirrel, the growing base of the Republican Party Chapter 2) 14:26-25:41 The growing base of the Republican Party, failures of the mainstream Democratic Party, government failures on rabies & Covid, & both political parties lie Chapter 3) 25:42-36:55 The culture problem in politics & media, the Left going after Joe Rogan, Bernie Sanders, and Ezra Klein, & the Democratic Party establishment not understanding the working class Chapter 4) 36:56-47:56 Thoughts on Biden and Trump administrations’ views towards animal issues and other issues, & perspective on animal rights activism and politics Chapter 5) 47:57-1:06:40 Democratic Party communication failures with the public, political identity inside or outside the political establishment, & Obama’s early grassroots activism Chapter 6) 1:06:41-1:16:40 The rare times Trump tells the truth, the danger of Trump’s lies, & on concerns about deportation Chapter 7) 1:16:41-1:30:06 Elections that turned against the Democratic Party, on symbolic political changes, on traditions/history/the“Americana” zeitgeist Chapter 8) 1:30:07-1:34:13 Final thoughts: What all activists can do to over the next 4 years to create a better country Chapter 9) 1:34:13-1:34:28 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books mentioned: “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream” by Barack Obama —Follow Jeremy Beckham: https://twitter.com/JeremyBeckham  https://www.instagram.com/j.s.beckham/  https://www.facebook.com/slcvegan  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsbeckham/  Follow Utah Animal Rights Center (UARC): https://www.facebook.com/utahanimalrights  https://twitter.com/UARC  https://www.instagram.com/utahanimalrights/  https://www.linkedin.com/company/utahanimalrights/about/

Numerous pro-animal initiatives lost at the ballot box – in some cases, by huge margins. I break down what happened with Natalie Fulton at Pro-Animal Future, and how the animal rights movement will bounce back. — Follow Pro-Animal Future: https://ProAnimalFuture.org https://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/ Follow Natalie: www.youtube.com/@Natalie.Fulton  patreon.com/nataliefulton  https://nataliefulton.substack.com/  https://www.instagram.com/nattiefulton/  https://www.tiktok.com/@nattiefulton  https://www.threads.net/@nattiefulton  https://www.facebook.com/nataliefu26   — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!

“Presidential elections don’t matter.” This is the controversial proposition I take up with Vegan Gains, days before the vote. And we reach some surprising points of agreement by the end of the conversation.  — Follow Vegan Gains: https://www.patreon.com/vegangains  https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/  https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains  https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial  https://www.twitter.com/VeganGains  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!

A recent undercover investigation exposed the use of Judas Sheep – adult sheep trained to betray lambs and lead them to slaughter. But the concept of the Judas Sheep has implications far beyond the walls of a slaughterhouse. Indeed, there are Judas Sheep – politicians corruptly acting on behalf of the powerful – leading our entire nation to self-destruction. How do we overcome the problem? — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-6:24 Intro: the feelings of betrayal, what is the Judas Sheep, & the DxE investigation at Superior Farms in Denver Chapter 2) 6:24-10:06 The betrayal in the American political system Chapter 3) 10:07-18:35 What the problems are in the American political system Chapter 4) 18:36-24:27 How society needs to change to be better, interest in the election, find your voice for the animals, & what’s happening soon  Chapter 5) 24:28-24:43 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Chart: "The Productivity–Pay Gap" (Economic Policy Institute) https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ — Follow Pro-Animal Future:https://ProAnimalFuture.orghttps://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 309!https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-slaughterhouse-ban/ Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 308!https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-fur-ban-308/

The Democratic Party in Denver has accused animal rights of racism for advocating against the slaughter of animals. Workers of color, they say, will be negatively affected. Natalie Fulton and I discuss how to respond to these allegations - and what this incident shows us about the “high conflict personalities” who have taken over our political system. — Phone banking: https://connectforanimals.com/group/1693590764695x127770678678802430 Donation: https://proanimal.org/donation/ Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 309! https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-slaughterhouse-ban/   Denver Ballot Initiative: Vote Yes on 308! https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-fur-ban-308/  (More links below.) — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-18:39 Intro, Denver Slaughterhouse Ban ballot initiative & Denver Fur Ban ballot initiative voting on November 5th, Democratic Party politics in Denver, & media publishing lies about the ban & activists Chapter 2) 18:40-29:12 Activists & the media, centering the cruelty against animals during the ballot initiative campaigns, & handling with lies/personal attacks Chapter 3) 29:13-40:14 Disillusionment with the Democratic Party & learning during the Denver Ballot Initiative campaigns Chapter 4) 40:15-45:59 how some activists “support” Tr*mp, how the American Constitution should be changed with each generation, & how electoral college voting should change Chapter 5) 46:00-1:01:39 Enforcing the laws we have, the “what if it were dogs” argument, how individuals/organizations speak against animal rights, & on climate change & transportation Chapter 6) 1:01:40-1:06:52 On politics of both parties & the political system, phone bank for the Denver Slaughterhouse Ban at proanimal.org/phonebank, & vote on November 5th Chapter 7) 1:06:53-1:07:09 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, Chloe Leffakis, & Jeremy Loeb — Follow Pro-Animal Future: https://ProAnimalFuture.org https://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/ Follow Natalie Fulton: www.youtube.com/@Natalie.Fulton  patreon.com/nataliefulton  https://nataliefulton.substack.com/  https://www.instagram.com/nattiefulton/  https://www.tiktok.com/@nattiefulton  https://www.threads.net/@nattiefulton  https://www.facebook.com/nataliefu26   —Books/articles mentioned:“A ‘war on factory farming’ begins with proposed Denver slaughterhouse ban, and immigrant workers may be the first casualties” by Kyle Harris https://denverite.com/2024/10/24/denver-measure-109-immigrant-workers-vegan-activists/  NPR/PBS: “Denver voters prepare to decide the fate of the city’s only slaughterhouse” by Andrea Kramar https://www.rmpbs.org/blogs/election-2024/denver-slaughterhouse-309  https://www.instagram.com/p/DBj7t4ITDdh/?img_index=1  Ranked-choice voting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States  National Popular Vote Interstate Compact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact  Science magazine: “Exceeding 1.5°C global warming could trigger multiple climate tipping points” https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950  PNAS: “The global biomass of wild mammals”  https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204892120  “5 Types of People Who Can Ruin Your Life: Identifying and Dealing with Narcissists, Sociopaths, and Other High-Conflict Personalities” by Bill Eddy “Conflict Is Not Abuse: Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the Duty of Repair” by Sarah Schulman “The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence” by Gavin de Becker

Five takeaways from the dramatic evidentiary hearing that happened this week in our attempt to appoint a special prosecutor to charge Ridglan Farms with animal cruelty. - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! Chapter 1) 00:00-7:07 The First Takeaway from the October 23rd Evidentiary Hearing to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms in Wisconsin: powerful testimony from whistleblowers that worked at Ridglan Farms Chapter 2) 7:08-10:09 The Second Takeaway: informative testimony from many experts on dogs about normal/abnormal behavior & living conditions Chapter 3) 10:10-14:19 The Third Takeaway: the state & federal government have repeatedly failed to enforce animal cruelty laws against Ridglan Farms Chapter 4) 14:20-15:56 The Fourth Takeaway: Wayne’s testimony about investigating Ridglan Farms & rescuing Julie from Ridglan Farms in 2017  Chapter 5) 15:57-17:53 The Fifth Takeaway: the judge is taking this case seriously, you can take action to help protect the dogs at Ridglan Farms at https://www.simpleheart.org/ridglan, & thank you all for the amazing support!  Chapter 6) 17:54- 18:09 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Trump and Harris both support the mass killing of dogs. But there’s an effective science-based strategy for getting them – and all the other political elites – to change — Sign up to join the Ridglan Case Support chat (& find link to sample social media posts for 10/23): https://www.simpleheart.org/ridglan — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-4:18 Intro: feeling the pressure of the Ridglan Evidentiary hearing on 10/23, the evidence to be presented, authorities not protecting dogs, & the political bipartisan consensus on dogs Chapter 2) 4:19-13:23 Government funding useless lab experiments on dogs & why politicians don’t create change Chapter 3) 13:23-21:54 How movements can create power & change Chapter 4) 21:55-27:09 How to convince politicians to stop the mass killing of dogs, & how you can help save the dogs at Ridglan Farms (https://www.simpleheart.org/ridglan) Chapter 5) 27:10-27:26 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Wayne & Dane4Dogs IG: https://www.instagram.com/waynehhsiung/  XTwitter: https://x.com/waynehhsiung  IG: https://www.instagram.com/dane4dogs/  FB: https://www.facebook.com/Dane4Dogs — Previous podcast episodes mentioned:“Can We Rescue 60,000 Tortured Dogs? (Episode 16)”https://youtu.be/z1t_J9hMuaw  “Duncan Watts - It’s A ‘Small World’ After All” https://www.simpleheart.org/episodes/duncan-watts  “He Wants To Argue About Gaza. Here’s Why We Shouldn’t. (w/ Richard Burgess, aka Vegan Gains) (Ep.46)” https://youtu.be/HAMBNYvmO3Q?si=5IUYvpIHguotlnPC  — The Simple Heart Substack blog posts mentioned: “How To Stop Trump From Killing Dogs” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/how-to-stop-trump-from-killing-dogs  “The Government Cover-Up of the Torture of 60,000 Dogs”https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/the-government-cover-up-of-the-torture  “Why cover-ups backfire” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/why-cover-ups-backfire  “How the Average Inmate Can Be More Influential than Oprah” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/how-the-average-inmate-can-be-more  “How to find community in a disconnected world” https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/how-to-find-community-in-a-disconnected  Books/Articles Mentioned: “Change: How to Make Big Things Happen” by Damon Centola "Collective dynamics of 'small-world' networks" by Damon Centola & Steven H. Strogatz (Nature, 1998) https://www.nature.com/articles/30918 (Abstract of article)

Has Vegan Gains gone intersectional? Richard and I discuss the merits of bringing multiple causes – from #MeToo to #FreePalestine – under the banner of a single social movement. — Follow Vegan Gains Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:17 Intro, opinions on current issues, & outcomes of disruptions Chapter 2) 10:18-29:03 Wayne confronts Richard about intersectionality Chapter 3) 29:04-58:21 Richard response & violent vs nonviolent resistance movements  Chapter 4) 58:22-1:06:44 Purity tests of being in the vegan/animal rights movement Chapter 5) 1:06:45-1:26:52 Wayne’s advice to Richard, Richard on vegan intersectionalists, & not banning people from the movement Chapter 6) 1:26:53-1:39:50 Nations/state systemic violence against animals & hate speech vs disagreements Chapter 7) 1:39:51-1:44:30 Final thoughts: how Wayne & Richard agree/disagree, & future podcasts guests & discussions Chapter 8) 1:44:31-1:44:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —  Books mentioned: “Civil Resistance: What Everyone Needs to Know” by Erica Chenoweth https://www.ericachenoweth.com/research/civil-resistance-what-everyone-needs-to-know  “The Path of Most Resistance: A Step-by-Step Guide to Planning Nonviolent Campaigns” By Ivan Marovic https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/path-resistance-step-step-guide-planning-nonviolent-campaigns/  — Movies mentioned: Joker (2019) Joker: Folie à Deux (2024)

A ban on animal slaughter is on the ballot in Denver. And the fiercest opposition is coming from… the Democratic Party. — Learn more at https://proanimal.org/ about the Denver ballot initiatives! Denver: Vote Yes on 309: https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-slaughterhouse-ban/   Denver: Vote Yes on 308: https://proanimal.org/campaigns/denver-fur-ban-308/  Follow Aidan (more links below) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proanimalaidan/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-12:39 Intro, Aidan of Pax Fauna, Denver slaughterhouse ban ballot initiative, effective altruism, learning how to be an organizer, & thoughts on activist Roger Hallam Chapter 2) 12:40-27:54 Learning from Extinction Rebellion in the UK in 2019, activism during the pandemic, research with Pax Fauna, & outreach about animals Chapter 3) 27:55-41:17 Explaining system change to the public & more on the Denver slaughterhouse ban ballot initiative Chapter 4) 41:18-54:55 Climate change, voting, fur banning legislation, & ballot initiative campaign fundraising comparison Chapter 5) 54:56-1:04:38 October 9th release of investigation footage from Superior Farms slaughterhouse, emotional impacts of violence against animal, negative media coverage of both ballot measures, political opposition & endorsement of both slaughterhouse ban/fur ban ballot measures Chapter 6) 1:04:39-1:21:31 ICYMI: Aidan’s disruption of a panel with Kamala Harris during ALC 2019, Kamala as a prosecutor/district attorney/attorney general, & mass incarceration in the United States Chapter 7) 1:21:32-1:41:29 Kamala & other politicians on animal rights, Aidan’s first time in jail after 2016 disruption, democratic response to Denver slaughterhouse ban ballot initiative, information about Wayne’s mayoral campaign in 2020, how political power is being used, & the values of politicians Chapter 8) 1:41:30-1:50:20 Ballot initiative campaigns in Sonoma County and Denver, & on democracy in public and behind closed doors Chapter 9) 1:50:21-2:00:15 Aidan on victories & lessons of the Denver ballot initiatives, & final thoughts Chapter 10) 2:00:16-2:00:32 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Aidan Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/aidan.cook.378  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proanimalaidan/  XTwitter: https://x.com/leavemeatbehind  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidan-kankyoku-6a03b322b/  Follow Pax Fauna Email: [email protected]  Website: https://www.paxfauna.org  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PaxFauna  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/paxfauna/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@paxfauna1360  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pax-fauna/posts/?feedView=all  — Books/Articles Mentioned: “Humanity” by Jonathan Glover “Animal Rights Protester Grabs Microphone From Kamala Harris” by Katy McNally (June 4, 2019) https://sentientmedia.org/animal-rights-protester-interrupted-kamala-harris-was-it-justified/  “Why I Took the Mic from Kamala Harris” by Aidan Cook (June 5, 2019) https://medium.com/@aidan_28588/why-i-took-the-mic-from-kamala-harris-d9e87fe2d2c0  Statement released by DxE  (June 2019): https://docs.google.com/document/d/14dO4FHqHL4f6btUSG4YjiAjzsHaDyuSg3O4t3VCtGl8/edit?tab=t.0   “Why Nations Fail” by Daron Acemoglu & James A. Robinson — Movies mentioned: “The Shawshank Redemption” (1994)

Wandering cows, illegal raids, and threats to democracy that may imperil the future of our nation. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! Thumbnail photo by Adair Luhr — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 The greatest threat to democracy is on our dinner plates; how Tracy Murphy’s case shows why Chapter 2) 08:32 Aren’t there greater threats to democracy, like insurrections? Chapter 3) 11:55 Why democracy is a good system, but how a poorly functioning one fails us Chapter 4) 19:02 “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere,” and why Martin Luther King, Jr. was right Chapter 5) 24:36 Imagine a different world where relatively powerless people and animals can go up against the powerful Chapter 6) 27:10 What each of us can do to help us achieve a more democratic society Chapter 7) 28:39 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Justin Marceau was lead counsel in the People v. Tracy Murphy. I speak to him about the serious misconduct we revealed in the case – & what it tells us about the broader problem of criminal justice. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Contact/follow Animal Activist Legal Defense Project: https://www.law.du.edu/content/animal-activist-legal-defense-project  https://www.instagram.com/aaldp_du/  https://x.com/AALDP_DU  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:25 Intro, Tracy Murphy’s case & trial, Animal Activist Legal Defense Project, & the defense gets new information days before trial starts Chapter 2) 11:26-20:56 At the dismissal: the judge reprimands defense while wrongly praising the prosecution, “poverty of low expectations” in the criminal justice system, constitutional violations against Tracy, compliments about the legal team working well together, & Tracy’s bravery to not take a plea deal Chapter 3) 20:57-28:01 Would destruction of evidence have been enough to dismiss the case without familial relationship disclosure, & not a strong case for the prosecution in front of a jury Chapter 4) 28:02- 36:34 Do people in the US really have presumption of innocence in the American legal system, & Tracy’s learning her legal rights to the cows Chapter 5) 36:35-47:56 Tracy followed the law in this case, law students & lawyers should learn how to emotionally be there for their clients, intense animal agricultural opposition & disinformation against Tracy’s compassionate choices, & how Tracy has helped the authorities & community with animals abuse cases Chapter 6) 47:57-56:24 Employees betraying Tracy, harassment against Tracy, how society & local communities are divided, & the power of the prosecution Chapter 7) 56:25-1:13:54 Justin & Wayne working together & with the legal team for animal rights activists, & Justin’s advice to new lawyers & activists Chapter 8) 1:13:55-1:27:14 How to make the legal system more accessible, the need for authenticity in personal & public interactions, Wayne’s proposed changes to the court, & lawyers empowering their activist clients Chapter 9) 1:27:15-1:37:45 What Justin learned from the Asha Rescue Trial, Wayne’s arguments in court, getting to know local lawyers, final thoughts, & check out the website Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (link above) Chapter 10) 1:37:46-1:38:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Justin: https://x.com/justin_marceau https://www.facebook.com/justin.marceau.9 https://www.linkedin.com/in/marceau-justin-97b33015/ Support Asha's Farm Sanctuary & Tracy: https://www.ashasfarmsanctuary.org https://www.facebook.com/@ashasfarmsanctuary https://www.instagram.com/ashasfarmsanctuary https://twitter.com/AshasSanctuary https://www.tiktok.com/@ashas_farm_sanctuary?lang=en https://www.facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572 https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410/ — Books/Essays: Beyond Cages: Animal Law & Criminal Punishment by Justin Marceau Carceral Logics: Human Incarceration & Animal Captivity by (Editors) Lori Gruen & Justin Marceau Truth & Transparency: Undercover Investigations in the Twenty-First Century by Alan K. Chen & Justin Marceau Cases & Materials on the Death Penalty by Nina Rivkind, Steven Shatz, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau “Federal Habeas Corpus: Cases & Materials” by Andrea Lyon, Emily Hughes, Mary Prosser, & Justin Marceau Death Penalty in a Nutshell by Victor Streib, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau Voluntary Prosecution & the Case of Animal Rescue by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, & Steffen Seitz (Harvard Law Review) https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue/ Books mentioned: The Art of Choosing by Sheena Iyengar The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less by Barry Schwartz Movies mentioned: The Joker (2019)

On July 16, 2022, Tracy Murphy saw two young stray cows wandering onto her property, adjacent to a busy road in upstate New York. She gave the cows food, water, and shelter and called the SPCA. What happened in the next few years is so bizarre and outrageous – from police raids to hidden cows sent to slaughter – that it's hard to believe. — Follow Asha’s Farm Sanctuary and Tracy Murphy! Website: https://www.ashasfarmsanctuary.org   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/@ashasfarmsanctuary  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashasfarmsanctuary  XTwitter: https://twitter.com/AshasSanctuary  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashas_farm_sanctuary?lang=en  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410/   — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:37 Intro, how Tracy Murphy found Little Willow and Ishmael at Asha’s Farm Sanctuary in July 2022, & how Asha’s Farm Sanctuary helps abused farm animals in the local community Chapter 2) 10:38-22:27 How the case against Tracy started, getting to know Little Willow and Ishmael at Asha’s Farm Sanctuary & Tracy’s legal rights to Little Willow and Ishmael Chapter 3) 23:28-44:00 Tracy’s interactions with Gregson (the alleged owner of the cows) and the authorities & the defense team learning new information just before the trial was supposed to start  Chapter 4) 44:01-54:21 Forrest Lucas & “Protect the Harvest” publicly defame Tracy, no support from authorities when 100+ people harass/block Tracy at Asha’s Farm Sanctuary, the authorities raid, arrest, & shackle(!) Tracy, & Tracy is gagged by the court -  prohibited from posting on social media - while Gregson spreads lies  Chapter 5) 54:22- 1:03:27 Finally learning what happened to Little Willow and Ishmael from the New York Times reporting on the case, not from the authorities/court, & violations of individuals’ constitutional rights, & violations of laws by those with power Chapter 6) 1:03:28-1:10:15 Tracy’s legal team, the judge’s ruling, how Tracy won the case, & final thoughts Chapter 7) 1:10:16-1:10:32 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Also mentioned: Animal Activist Legal Defense Project https://www.law.du.edu/content/animal-activist-legal-defense-project

As the next big right to rescue trial looms, we're republishing a blast from the past: a debate I had with a pig farmer just months after a mass open rescue at Sunrise Farms. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-03:10 Intro: communicating with adversaries and on the Asha Trial starting on October 3rd with Tracy Murphy #CompassionIsNotACrime Chapter 2) 3:11-1:17:58 Wayne Hsiung and Trent Loos: first debate from 2018 Chapter 3) 1:17:59-1:18:15 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

In one week, we face the next huge animal rights trial. Here’s what we can learn from my closing argument in one of the last ones.  #SmithfieldFoods #CompassionIsNotACrime — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at ⁠https://www.simpleheart.org⁠! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Context of revisiting this closing argument Chapter 2) 04:06 Piglets, Purpose, Price; Wayne sighs before starting Chapter 3) 08:22 End of a long Friday Chapter 4) 11:35 Using a line from an unlikely ally Chapter 5) 14:56 Piglets Chapter 6) 17:15 Purpose Chapter 7) 22:08 Price Chapter 8) 31:14 More thoughts on the value of unexpected allies Chapter 9) 33:08 The added pressure of representing other defendants at trial Chapter 10) 36:15 Addressing the intent to steal piglets Chapter 11) 39:12 The first controversial line: "I don't want you to acquit us..." Chapter 12) 41:50 The second controversial line: Animals have "given us food..." Chapter 13) 44:32 Closing thoughts: Don't hide the ball, dive deep, and have faith Chapter 14) 54:33 Outro videos - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

David Ramms thinks veganism has an infighting problem. Is he right? And if so, what can be done? — Follow David: YouTube: www.youtube.com/@davidramms Website: https://davidramms.com/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/davidramms/ FB: https://www.facebook.com/itsdavidramms XTwitter: https://twitter.com/itsdavidramms LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidramms/ — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-16:32 Intro, context for David’s speech causing controversy in the animal rights movement, going to animal rights conferences, starting DxE Barcelona, & inequality in the movement Chapter 2) 16:33-26:05 More on David’s speech: communicating through disagreements & conflict Chapter 3) 26:06-44:21 Racism inside & outside of the animal rights movement Chapter 4) 44:22-57:08 Responding to racism inside & outside the animal rights movement, & David talking with people after his speech Chapter 5) 57:09-1:09:57 Groups targeted as cults Chapter 6) 1:09:58-1:23:27 Communicating based on facts with First Principles, David responding to questions about his speech, & David acknowledging prior behavior Chapter 7) 1:23:28-1:38:21 David’s growth as an activist, on leaders & leadership in the movement, on Threat Inflation, & being on social media Chapter 8) 1:38:22-1:46:21 Abolitionists & welfarist in the animal rights movement, how to be react responsibly on social media, & final thoughts Chapter 9) 1:46:22-1:46:37 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “How to Create a Vegan World: A Pragmatic Approach” by Tobias Leenaert https://www.tobiasleenaert.be/p/boek.html Movies mentioned: “Accidental Courtesy: Daryl Davis, Race & America” (Documentary - 2016) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_Courtesy:_Daryl_Davis,_Race_%26_America

Tash Peterson was recently convicted and forbidden from leaving Western Australia after protesting a restaurant that banned vegans. She was sued for accusing a chef who posed with dead animals of “animal abuse.” And, while pretending to be a farmer, she listened as an angry stranger threatened to kill Tash Peterson – without realizing that the “farmer” he was talking to was, in fact, Tash Peterson in disguise. But there’s one thing that’s stayed solid and stable through it all: Tash’s belief in pushing for change, even when it’s uncomfortable or even dangerous. And there are important lessons for us all in her story. Give this one a listen, and give Tash and Jack some support! – Follow Tash: IG: https://www.instagram.com/tash.peterson/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@vganbooty Facebook public figure page: https://www.facebook.com/vganbooty Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/vganbooty69 XTwitter: https://x.com/vganbooty TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tash.peterson Threads: https://www.threads.net/@tash.peterson Links: tashpeterson.bio Email: [email protected] – The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-20:50 Intro, Tash’s interactions with haters, insights on Tash’s legal cases & convictions, the demonstration after a restaurant banned all vegans, & tough decisions an activist makes when criminally charged Chapter 2) 20:51-32:21 Public defenders in the US & the equivalent in Australia, Tash’s feelings on continuing to protest, online support compared to in-person support, & take action when you find your calling in the movement Chapter 3) 32:22-43:05 Hardest thing for Tash in these legal cases, the Backlash Effect in social justice movements, & how Jack (Tash’s partner) is handling legal casesChapter 3) 43:06-49:41 Outrageous details of the defamation cases against Tash in Australia, & criminal cases compared to civil cases Chapter 4) 49:42 -1:01:36 No freedom of speech in Australia, lawyers & the media making false statements about activists, & why people believe/spread false information Chapter 5) 1:06:37-1:21:28 What next in Tash’s activism, unexpected outcome during a new kind of outreach video, how Tash handles negative comments & death threats, & meditation Chapter 6) 1:21:29-1:30:15 Final thoughts: an ongoing legal mistake (a criminal conviction without pleading or trial) against Tash, problems with bureaucratic systems, & support/follow Tash on social media (links above) Chapter 7) 1:30:16-1:30:31 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “Letter from Birmingham Jail” by Martin Luther King Jr. (PDF) https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/letter-from-birmingham-jail “The Path of Most Resistance: A Step-by-Step Guide to Planning Nonviolent Campaigns” by Ivan Marovic (PDF) https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/path-resistance-step-step-guide-planning-nonviolent-campaigns/  “The Trial” by Franz Kafkahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial

Leah Garcés has convinced numerous factory farms to give up the business of killing animals and transition to plant-based agriculture. And shares the secrets to this remarkable work in this conversation.  - More on Leah’s books: “Transfarmation: The Movement to Free Us from Factory Farming”(new release on 9/17/2024): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/757628/transfarmation-by-leah-garces/  “GRILLED: Turning Adversaries into Allies to Change the Chicken Industry” (released on 9/3/2019): https://mercyforanimals.org/grilled/  Follow Leah, Transfarmation, and Mercy for Animals - links below. – The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! – Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-18:38 Intro, how Leah builds relationships with adversaries, meeting farmer Craig Watts & others in the industry, & communicating about the system Chapter 2) 18:39-29:45 Meditation & self-care practices, Leah going on a silent meditation retreat, & finding perspective as an activist Chapter 2) 29:46-36:00 Leah’s emotional journey as an activist & advice to other activists Chapter 3) 36:01-51:52 Beginning The Transfarmation Project (link below) & farmers stuck in the system Chapter 4) 51:53-1:01:56 Farmers finding The Transfarmation Project, communication with farmers, & activists’ self-judgment & judging other Chapter 5) 1:01:57-1:14:26 Leah bearing witness to chickens on farms/warehouses, Leah meeting slaughterhouse workers, moral injuries of workers, & the public view of domesticated animals Chapter 6) 1:14:27-1:18:24 Empathy for farmers trapped in the animal agriculture system Chapter 7)  1:18:25-1:24:47 The Faaborg Family Transfarmation from pig farming to mushroom farming in Iowa (NYT article link below), Wayne’s last non-vegan meal,  Chapter 8) 1:24:48-1:27:03 Final thoughts: Leah advice to activists, buy Leah’s book (links below), & follow The Transfarmation Project & Mercy for Animals (links below) Chapter 9) 1:27:04-1:27:20 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — NYT article: “Life After Factory Farming: 'The Longer They're Out, the Happier They Are.’” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/29/climate/factory-farming-transfarmation-project.html  — Follow Leah:  Website: https://leahgarces.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leahgarces/  XTwitter: https://x.com/leah_garces  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leah.garces  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahgarces/  — Follow The Transfarmation Project: Website: https://thetransfarmationproject.org/  Links: https://linkin.bio/thetransfarmationproject/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetransfarmationproject/  XTwitter: https://x.com/transfarmations  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheTransfarmationProject Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheTransfarmationProject  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/thetransfarmationproject/  – Follow Mercy for Animals:  Website: https://www.MercyForAnimals.org    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mercyforanimals  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mercyforanimals/ XTwitter: https://x.com/MercyForAnimals  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mercyforanimals_us  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mercyforanimals  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@mercyforanimals  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mercy-for-animals  – Books Mentioned: “The Body Keeps the Score” by Bessel van der Kolk “Why We Sleep” by Matthew Walker

Trump is right. They’re eating the pets! - Follow Wayne: YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_⁠ Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/waynehhsiung/⁠ - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00 Donald Trump’s wild allegation: they’re eating the pets Chapter 2) 02:14 The origins of Trump's claim Chapter 3) 09:42 Trump was technically wrong, but we ARE eating the pets Chapter 4) 17:30 What this means for American politics Chapter 5) 19:46 Final thoughts, and share your own thoughts Chapter 6) 21:33 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

The path to victory in the Presidential debate is… animal rights? I break down the opportunities and threats for the candidates – and animal advocates – with former NPR journalist Jeremy Loeb.  - Follow Jeremy: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loebjeremy/ XTwitter: https://x.com/LvLouMeng  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@loebjeremy  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.loeb1  Threads: https://www.threads.net/@loebjeremy  Follow Wayne: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waynehhsiung/  - The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! - Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-9:21 Intro, what may happen (& should happen) during the 9/10 Presidential Debate & details in the Democratic Party’s platform Chapter 2) 9:22-18:44 On Wayne’s mayoral campaign in 2020, politicians need to authentically talk about animals, & Cory Booker’s response on veganism in 2019 Chapter 3) 18:45-28:21 Will the candidates talk about animal agriculture’s environmental impacts, mainstream media’s lack of animal rights coverage & how humanity is causing of the Sixth Mass Extinction Chapter 4) 28:22-39:55 How the UN (& others) report environmental information about animal agriculture, showing courage: politicians compared to activists, & how the candidates will talk about violence against animals & how activists should respond to it  Chapter 5) 39:56-48:54 On Trump & Biden’s debate, why Jeremy & Wayne will vote for Harris, & criticism of Harris as a prosecutor Chapter 6) 48:55-57:08 Politicians’ catching up to public opinions, what Jeremy is looking for during the debate, more on Trump’s incoherent responses, & RFK wanting to be on the ballot only in swing states Chapter 7) 57:09-1:06:11 What Wayne is looking for during the debate, a brief cameo of Oliver, on presidential companion animals, & publicly calling out the presidential candidates on animal cruelty Chapter 8) 1:06:12-1:18:37 Publicly calling out politicians on animal cruelty after the election, school shooters connected to animal cruelty, & on having dog & cats as companion animals Chapter 9) 1:18:38-1:21:53 Final thoughts: review of what to look for during the Presidential Debate, share this show, please vote, take action for animals, & subscribe to Jeremy’s YouTube channel & Wayne’s YouTube channel (links above) Chapter 10) 1:21:54-1:22:10 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis.