The Tragic Death of Emilie Morris

Between packing passports and racing to check in, holiday prep can be well pure chaos, but your travel money that you can take off long before you leave Pop into your local post office today to sort your travel money in either cash or card instantly And now on post will even buy back your unused cash when you return if you haven't spent it on a rice-cream service Visit your local post office today on Post money making better happen Turns and conditions apply on post money currency card is issued by PPSE Pursued to license by MasterCard International PPSE USA is authorized by the National B PPSE USA is authorized by the National B National B As you wind down this evening That number seven prime forever serum be your secret to aging at the speed of a glacier helping to pause the visible signs of skin aging Number seven prime forever serum works a dramatically reduce skin aging activity while you sleep Find the number seven prime forever range at selected booth stores and fruits.ie Subject to availability, consumer testing, dramatically reduces skin aging activity from antioxidant protection against surface oxidative stress Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is more good Whenever you get to say like and this is more but do you immediately hear the intro song in your head? Yes, me too So I always take a beat. Yeah, let it. I'm like, let me let it kick in.

Let me let me introduce mom Guys hello everybody. We're here. It's cold. It's slushy out.

I haven't seen the Sun in days Yeah, we haven't had Sun for a while. Mercury is in retrograde. I'm fine without Sun, but I know it affects you Yeah, I don't like I mean I like the Sun I don't like being hot but I need I need the happiness that the Sun provides You know see I could live in like a place where it was just like cloudy all the time It's funny because I have said that about myself in the past and then the more and more I think about it And I for some reason the older I get I'm like no I need it like I need a little happy day I need the vitamin D, but I don't I don't like one there's too many sunny days in a row either Yeah, you need that gloomy day in there. Yeah, I'm pretty specific about my weather choices With a chance of people I think there was one thing that Ash wanted to get out of the way right away because Let me tell you all right.

I don't know if I was gonna do my thing first or if you were gonna Do you gotta get this out of there because I need I need closure on the well So here's the thing I either fucked up or I am fucked up because so here's the two options I don't know if I had a fever dream about this email and it does not exist at all or if I if the email does exist And I read it and just lost it because somebody sent us an email and they basically said like whenever I listen to your paranormal episodes Like my my technology will like glitch out and like it never works for me And it leaves me feeling like super like spooked and like I don't like it And then they went on to say that in our I don't know if they're like a medium or something They said in your pod lab or wherever you record on the right side of the room Is there like a drawer or a cabinet because there's something in there that wants to get out? And I need to know what the fuck that means Because I'm looking next to me and there's a big old cabinet with several drawers Yeah, and this place is oldest fuck and I'm like, huh? Yeah So once to get out we were cut we came up to record yesterday And I was like oh my god Did you see that email that blah blah blah and she was like elina was like no I was like bring that up and I was like oh hang on like let me find it And I swear I took a screenshot of it But it was not in my screenshot it folder or anywhere in my phone and it's nowhere And I can't find the email anywhere So if you sent the email would you mind re-sending it like forwarding it and then it made it exist could you elaborate a little on the identity of the Thing that would like to get out of my cabinet that's next to me because I'm here to help yeah I'm here to I want to liberate whoever it is from these cabinets because that sounds like it's not unless I was gonna say I don't know But like if they're like trapped in there and they're like a good thing like sure yeah, but like I just need to know more I just want some more information. I need some more context.

I need I just need some more Hopefully that was a real a real email because otherwise I'm a little concerned about my psyche Yeah, otherwise we're gonna have a chat. Otherwise I may have hallucinated. I was like you better get that person to send that again I need to read to I Probably I would say I spent at least like 25 to 30 We were like 40 minutes deep. I was like typing in different things to gmail to like highlight the email No, right side demon and drawer.

I don't know spooky, but yeah, so we said that a few did send that Thank you. Hello, and then I think the only other thing that was like really just wearing on my mind Yeah, we have to talk about was the fucking Marilyn Manson thing. Yeah, okay. I was a big Marilyn Manson fan You always you always like this music.

I always like that he was weird. I always liked like shock rocker thing Yeah, obviously you said a lot of problematic things in the past but you know a lot of them I just didn't know about either because I don't follow like Yeah, like the sludge everything anything. I don't know about that I didn't know any of those but the shit that's coming out now and these women who are coming forward with their stories Like horrifying absolutely, and it's like when you are like a fan of his it's how you feel so betrayed because you're like How dare you be this evil son of a bitch and victimized women and then like portray yourself as this like Solidarity with like weirdos, you know, I mean right you're just evil you're getting weirdos about name And what bombs me out the most is that everything is focusing now on like well He's weird and he has a weird aesthetic. Mm-hmm is so of course he's a fucked up person And it's like no, he's just a fucked up person We all just focus on the fact that he's an evil son of a bitch because here's Ryan Warner is an evil son of a bitch Yes, like and he's in Marilyn Manson is an evil son of a bitch But it's like don't focus on his aesthetic The aesthetic has nothing to do with him being an evil son of a bitch because the thing is he could be wearing the suit and like going To work as a doctor every day and still be going home and doing the same exact thing Because that happens it has nothing to do with like him wearing makeup and yeah saying like creepy shit I feel like focusing on that and a lot of these articles I'm reading is taking away from the reality of him just being at his core Mm-hmm They fucked up individual and it's like just let's focus on the demon that is him right not not what he you know What paintings he had in his house like let's not talk about that I don't give a shit what he had in his house I care that he abused assaulted right and manipulated and fucked with countless innocent women young women very women Yeah, I just and it's really shitty too because it's like there's plenty of weirdos in the world like all of you guys listening right now And that like probably have some like the weird shit that Marilyn Manson has in his house like what I'm what weird shit Yeah, oh like I walked by this thing in his house like should have known that and it's like okay No, no, that's not what it don't focus on that We should have known when he like said some of the things that he did and it's like he's evil like talk about what he did And what he said and what the things he you know like the horrible pain he inflicted on people Let's not just like I just wish it would just they would take that part out Yeah, talk about the crimes he committed and not the his interests and it happens because like will read crime stories on here Where it's like anti-hidistic Bible in his room, you know what I mean like you have to mention it So I understand why it's being in these articles But I feel like it's being focused too hard on right, you know as instead of being like and of course he has this like aesthetic That is pretty dark right it's not like it should be a secondary thing Yeah, it has a crime he has committed But I feel like it's the first thing they're putting in these things and I'm like no no make it the background I agree like that add that into it don't make it the first thing I know but it just sucks it sucks when you find out people that you know that you liked their music or you liked their art or Whatever, it's like it sucks when you find out that they're just a shitty person when you find out they're a legitimate evil evil Evil person like that I know that they're like you could cover them on the podcast where we have that's what it gets to be a real bummer Yeah, so I just wanted to put it out because I'm sure a lot I mean, I'm sure a lot of you were fans at one point or another because you know we're all in this together And even if you weren't it's shocking so it's just like and then I love Dita Von Tease I just want to put that out there I mean she said luckily nothing happened to her right she did she said that was not her experience that they ended their relationship because of impidelity and his drug abuse Yeah, I think I did that on high note where can we all agree that Dita Von Tease is like a knockout and like a wonderful human Yeah, yeah, I think we can let's do that let's do that you know It's weird too is not weird but like just kind of strange timing is that this whole case that I'm doing today is Like somewhat reminiscent of people coming forward like years like it kind of worked out It does kind of like go on the same wavelength it does so guys this month we are doing the patreon's know all about this We're doing patreon picks so for the month of February We put up a poll on the patreon and everybody got to pick my cases and elina's cases for the entire month of February Yeah, these are fully patreon picks like we literally were like say your cases that you want for February and then we narrowed them down And it took a long time it did take a very long time Great suggestion we're gonna cover every single thing because people are like oh my god No, like it wasn't the one I wanted and I'm like don't worry we're gonna end up coming up Yeah, I trust me trust me trust me that cuz I had probably when one would be picked I do want to cover that but I also want to cover that other one so it's hard We will we will definitely cover them you guys give us great great suggestion It must have been hard for you to hand over that control as a top recording I hate it I hate it every second of it, but you guys do great So you made it easier for me I love it I know I want to be honest with you and tell you it was really hard not to just like sneak in a case that you didn't say Yes, I wanted to cover and like I hope that you would vote for but I didn't do that no and in the end It was like there was so many to choose from yeah, it worked out great So today we are gonna talk about a girl named Emily Morris.

So thanks to the patreons for picking this Yes, and before we start I just want to give a little bit of a trigger warning this involves sexual abuse This involves like abuse between a teacher and a student and a coach and a human behavior grooming So if that's not for you, that's not something you want to listen to then this is not the episode for you. Yeah Emily Allison Morris was born on September 22nd 1979 in St. Louis, Missouri, which is funny because I think I had like a St. Louis accent Like a minute ago.

Yeah, now she was born to her parents Richard and Joan Morris and she was their first daughter She's the older sister to Andrea Andrea, which I love saying it like that when I was researching I thought it was Andrea and I was like still love that still love that I watched right a documentary and they were like Andrea love that I was like, oh great now growing up Emily's parents said that she was quote funny fast smart and accomplished now Joan told Lonnie Coombs who was a formal criminal prosecutor that Emily walked at just 10 months old and she said quote children are supposed to crawl first She had no interest in that reminded me of all of your children It's literally the only reason I put that in there It's both wonderful and terrifying all at the same time But I also think it says a lot about like who your kid is gonna be yeah, you know what I mean Like they're just like yeah, I'm just gonna go straight from this very like steadfast Emily's parents also went on to say that she was a super athletic girl a bit of a tomboy And she didn't always feel like she fit in I think probably because she was like a little bit of a tomboy But that she had this like can do attitude and she was never afraid to fail like she always wanted to go for it And if she was not the best at it She was like I'm gonna go get him next time to my stuff off and try again And I just have to say that her parents look like the sweetest couple I've ever seen do they're also just like very like normal people Yeah, it's just like you love them Yeah, so before she started high school Emily told her mom that she was gonna go out for the cross-country team Now she was already like a really good diver like there's videos of her doing different dives that I could never do Oh, no, but so the fact that she wanted to try a new sport like with high school starting wasn't out of character So her mom was like cool. That's great now Emily's math teacher from middle school Jim Wilder was allegedly the one to suggest that she Should go out for the track team which was kind of weird cuz he wasn't even the track coach yet Okay, just a math teacher just a math teacher Emily was a super talented runner Like right off the bat and she quickly became the number one runner on the girls team. I'll get it Yeah, she was she was really getting it now There was a woman coach at first named Nancy and she was Emily's coach for the first two years that she was on the team But then Nancy left to take a different job in Jim Wilder Emily's old teacher took over both teams The girls team and the boys team. Okay, so it kind of seems like it just merged like a co-ed team Yeah, for sure, which why the fuck isn't it?

I know why aren't like I feel like all teams should just be men and women Like I know it would make sense to me. Why can't we all just be together so many thoughts on that they do That's for a different time exactly now Emily's mom said that she remembered Emily talking quite a bit about Jim Wilder And she kind of was like oh, you know, I think she has a crush on him and whatever Yeah, and he was 29 so he's like this young teacher young teacher. We all had a crush on a teacher at some time Yeah, I had a crush on like all the teachers so I had a crush on my English teacher at one point Didn't everybody have a crush on your teacher to I know this is actually funny because I had a crush on my math You know, I remember one time he like came to a softball game and I was like oh I'm gonna like really rip one into the field. I don't really care about it He definitely didn't because he was a good teacher because he was a good man.

That's weird to think about now Yeah, so Jim like I said 29 he was a married man And I believe he had his first child at this point So Joan made sure to tell Emily like you act accordingly around that married older teacher man because she was like I don't want anybody making up rumors like we don't need that Yeah, yikes So when he took over both Jack Deans Emily would go for advice like go to him for advice about you know different high school things like boy she was dating and probably running tips obviously and You know he would offer his advice and it was all well and fine But then one day things things went past the point of advice and crossed every single line that is put in the sand for teachers and students relationships Hey, I was talking with my hands So apparently she was Emily was telling her coach about a guy that she liked and how they were gonna play They were either going to play the game chicken or they had played the game chicken Now there's a lot of different chicken games because my first thought was the one in the pool That's literally what I was thinking so I never heard this specific game be called chicken But I guess it is they were talking about the chicken where like a guy will put his hand on your knee and like move his hand up Oh actually chicken. I didn't know that's a thing adult chicken. Don't spicy chicken I have no idea spicy chicken wraps supreme. That's I whoa so like he keeps putting his hand up and up until you I think you say chicken when you're like don't touch I hate me this yeah, yeah Yeah, I hate that that exists.

You're doing that. I mean don't don't do that and yeah, no So Emily was telling her coach about this during a practice in the woods because like it's not super weird to have Track practice in the woods for anybody that's not a runner cuz that first time's like wait what yeah cuz they run through like pads Yeah, cuz then I thought about it I had a lot of friends on the track team and they were always in the woods Yeah, so they were in the woods and he was probably like standing at a certain point and she ran by and was like Oh like let's chat and then they got into this so she's telling him about this Wow and he suggests that they play oh yep No now Emily later told the police that Jim put his hand on her knee and kept going until his hand was over her groin area And over her jeans just to be specific now right as his hand landed there another teammate ran by so he like moved his hand super quickly, but that same day he was supposed to drive Emily home from school and her mom had arranged this I don't know if it was just like Just I don't know it was the 90s. Yeah, so she arranged that the coach gave her a ride home I feel like that happened a lot I'm sure and when they got home her parents and her sister weren't home So he went inside with her oh and when they got inside she was sitting on the ottoman in the living room and Jim Basically just took off her pants and started performing oral sex on her and she said that she told him to stop and he did stop And then he left how old is she 16? Yeah, okay.

Now that was the first time really Yeah, this is a row now that was the first time But this abuse would go on for years and it's funny that you just ask that because I was like I say abuse because he is 29 Married with children and this girl is 16 years old 16 year old She's so it's like even because I want to clarify something even if people were like well She like she was a willing participant. No, that's 16. You're not a willing participant with a 29 year old man You're just not yeah, so he spent time grooming her obviously because in her mind I'm sure she knew what was wrong and she said she was like I knew that this was wrong But he made me feel special and he made me feel like this was a valid consenting relationship Now experts on sexual abuse point out that sexual grooming will create a compliant victim But at the end of the day they are just that they're victim now to further groom Emily and make her feel like she was super special to him Jim would tell Emily about how like sexually frustrated he was This is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. Yes, really fucked up and it's about to get more fucked up because the reason he was so Frustrated is because his wife was pregnant.

Yeah, I knew I was literally just I do say she's pregnant Or she just had a baby that's one of the both because they had two kids So he has a young kid and now his wife is pregnant. Oh my god fuck this guy for him He's your sexually frustrated. Oh my god, like what what I hate him How are you frustrated when you're about to have a baby? I don't get it.

I hate him so much. Yeah, so It's so it like makes me angry So he would have her meet him in the wrestling room to perform oral sex on each other And if they heard someone coming he would have Emily hide in this box of uniforms until he was sure that like the person had passed Now sometimes they would meet in the middle of like practices of track meets and stuff like that Like one time they were found in in the middle of a sexual act in a men's bathroom in a park where like this track meet was going on Somebody just walked in on them another time this one is crazy and weird the movie the team was going to see the movie Seven which I feel like we've been talking a lot about yeah weird movie I was like the team bonding motivation. I don't know like in the box run run run. Okay, so while they were out of town for a meet So it was like a team building exercise while watching a serial killer murder.

Yeah, I mean not talk about a movie I'm talking about a Jesus imagine now Emily told the police later that while they were at the movie theater This is really gross They were sitting next to each other and she was masturbating Jim while he was sitting next to another coach So I'm like the other there's no way the other coach didn't notice that there's absolutely there's no way which is terrible Yeah, and it's like obviously people knew that this was going on Yeah, and we're gonna get into that in like a second because my next note is the more and more that this like I mean I don't really know another word to use other than like relationship because yeah cuz it was some form of a relationship whether yeah I mean relationships can be fucked up like yeah, so the more and more this relationship progressed the more people were catching on to things Now parents in the town new because like their kids are coming home telling them about it other coaches and faculty allegedly knew and Emily's friends knew What was going on my god and her parents now you imagine so this is crazy because the rumors are flying around Everywhere and eventually they made their way back to the principal of the school So it's funny that you said her parents now when the principal heard he called Emily in and she obviously denied everything So then he calls Jim and obviously Jim denies everything because he doesn't want to lose his entire job Yeah, so then they call Emily's parents now They call her the principal calls the parents and says like Emily has been accused of having a relationship with a teacher Oh, not the other way around. Oh, okay Like Emily has been accused of this not the 30 year old like well Not this not the coach has had his accused of having a relationship with your underage child Not even like the coach has been accused of sexually assaulting or becoming inappropriate with your daughter They're like saying like accused of an affair. Yeah, like wow. So it's like, okay, okay school So they so yeah, they go in and they're like what so Emily wouldn't open up to them because yeah obviously like she's being accused now She's the bad guy right so the principal and the parents just kind of chopped it up to the rumors like to rumors of jealous teammates Because like I said she's one of the most talented runners on the team It's like she has all this stuff going for her like she was one time She was like the only girl to qualify for a really big race that they were gonna do only girl on the team with like all these other guy runners So they were like maybe there's a girl on the team that also has a crush on this guy and she's like making shit up Oh, yeah, you know teachers like she's getting like preferential treatment right right so the school even though like this was all unfounded They're supposed to report any kind of incident like this to CPS Yes, of course CPS is supposed to have like the right tools and everything to investigate even yeah Like it's not up to a principal to decide if this is if this is really worth fast like it's up to like actual investigators And it's like I know this is shocking But when you bring two people in and say like hey 16 year old and 30 year old Are you guys having an affair they're probably gonna say no nine times out of 10?

I feel like they're gonna be like no yeah like and they might be lying right You might want to call in reinforcement check and like not to mention when you're a teacher or principal or any kind of faculty member in a school You're a mandated reporter exactly so like you're breaking the law either way that's a big deal There's always that yeah between packing passports and racing to check in holiday prep can be well pure chaos But your travel money that you can take off long before you leave pop into your local post office today to sort your travel money in either cash Or card instantly and now on post will even buy back your own use cash when you return If you haven't spent it on a ice cream service visit your local post office today on post money making better happen Turn the conditions apply on post money cards issued by pps us a pursue to license by master card international US a is authorized by the national by the Belgium is regulated by central bank of Ireland for consumer protection rules on post is authorized by Minister for finance provide foreign currency cash ethics cash by back available and selected post offices for purchase selected No, so we As you wind down this evening that number seven prime forever serum be your secret to aiding at the speed of a glacier helping to pause the visible signs of skin aging number seven prime forever serum works to dramatically reduce skin aging activity while you sleep Find the number seven prime forever range at selected boots doors and fruits. I Subject to availability consumer testing dramatically reduces skin aging activity from antioxidant protection against surface oxidative stress Now the older Emily got the more abusive things became Emily's mood started to change completely like her her friends were like She got super distant her family was like she was just moody and upset all the time her little sister Andrea said she was like I remember her crying like every day before school and being like holy shit Like I don't want to go to high school. That's what it is. She literally just thought that was school She thought that was high school now She also Emily became super self-conscious about herself and she was like a pretty like she was like an athletically built girl Like yeah, there was nothing for her to be self-conscious about of course not But the reason why she was so self-conscious is because of the things that her coach and this man who's abusing her was saying to her because There's a picture of her sitting in her track uniform and her legs are like tucked underneath her to the side So like her leg is kind of pressed into the concrete or the pavement a little bit And he looked at the picture and looked at her and was like you should get liposuction And she wrote on the back of a picture like there's like all these scrapbook memories and stuff that her mom was showing She wrote on the back of the picture like coach Wilder told me to get liposuction after seeing this What the fuck like with like a sad face I'm pretty sure yeah, so soon after that she developed an eating disorder bulimia So now he's like nagging her mm-hmm Wow, he's an evil monster And I have to wonder if it's because like the older she was getting she was like this is fucked up and she kind of maybe tried to distance herself So he's like oh like fuck you starts doing what he knows best right now her friend from high school So I said she she developed the eating disorder bulimia then her friend from high school remembered that at one point She was only eating the whites of oranges So the pulp what yeah, the whites of that's a thing that people do I have never heard of that before but I don't Wow, I don't know that's shocking.

Yeah, I can't imagine there's any nutritional value in that whatsoever Wow also I hate pulp so much I do I hate pulp so that freaks me out in a big way Now Joan is catching on to this Jonas her mom and she's trying to talk to Emily She's they had like a close relationship and she's like why aren't you like obviously something is going on You must be so hard you won't open up to me So can we try therapy so she I don't know if I'm like a breeder not but she ended up at the therapist and the therapist was like Yeah, I cannot crack her like she won't know Wow, so she just completely shut down Yeah, and Joan's like I don't know what to do. Yeah, what do you do that's the thing and so she also remembered how Emily was the only girl To qualify for that race that I mentioned before and Emily was like so excited when this happened because obviously That's a big achievement in your track career now when the day came to run the race Emily got out of bed I was like oh, I don't feel good like I'm not gonna go and her mom was like I am you're so excited isn't this like a lifetime movie it really is and her mom is like you're so excited to go like You know, I think let's let's cheer you up Let's bring you and see how you feel when we get there like red flags trying to be a supportive mom trying to just like you know Like you this is a big deal So she takes her to the race and Emily the whole way there was like arguing like I don't feel like it I don't want to know she ends up running in the race But she didn't qualify to go on to the next bigger race I don't know how to work works and later on she told her mom that she lost the race on purpose because she didn't the next race That they were gonna have she'd have to go out of town and she didn't want to go out of town with her coach Because that's what a lot of the abuse would have heartbreaking so she literally like threw away the race because she was like I don't want to be with her like alone with that. Holy shit. Yeah, so it's really unclear when the sexual abuse ended with Jim But it affected her for the rest of her life I think that's why it's so unclear But she and Jim also stayed in contact over the years like he would like check in on her and again experts on sexual abuse pointed out That this was just his way of keeping tabs on her making her feel like there's still friends after everything that happened And that's an important tactic because it's like if you're friends with me, you're not gonna report me It's a total control saying it's like I'm still in control of this situation And I have to maintain control or they could go somewhere you could turn on yeah now She graduated in 1997 and I believe in one article I read the reason I didn't say like definitively is because it was only in one article It said the abuse lasted through that summer.

Oh, okay But again, it was only in one so she graduated and then she went off to college and she eventually did earn her bachelor's of arts in English But college was like really hard for her to get through her mom was like it was a nightmare trying to get her through college. Wow. Yeah Obviously she's trying to cope with what happened in high school. Yeah, so her friend Christine pointed out later Quote when you're robbed of your innocent study young age it definitely plays a part in your bad behavior as an adult Oh, yeah, and that's pretty much exactly what happened over time with Emily She started turning to alcohol more and more Obviously like it's a coping mechanism Then she eventually eventually got married and she did end up marrying an older man and her mom pointed out that like a lot of her Relationships going forward were with people who were older than her like a lot older.

She was kind of stuck in that yeah It's it's definitely a cycle now when she married this guy She had two children, but her past was always like around the corner affecting her so it basically ruined her marriage She lost custody of her kids and she just I mean like really fell into being like having I Feel into the trauma. Yeah, yeah, it's a sad case. It is it's like overwhelming it is now Andrea said of the abuse quote the problem is it's sort of never stopped that person was always an influence on her It just seemed like it not away at her her entire life until she decided to finally do something about it Well, never being able to like rid yourself of him like he's keeping tabs so he's still maintaining he's keeping tabs She's in the same area. She's around people that know him You know, it's like the scab it scabs over and then he is picking off the scab every time It's like it just never has a chance to heal right and I think whenever you're a victim of like sexual assault like you blame yourself Like that's a whole huge part of it which it's never right and that's how she was management all kinds of emotions right exactly but in 2013 something happened that made Emily want to do something about it and Come forward so she was with her friend Christine Lieber the woman I mentioned earlier and another woman and they were just like hanging outside together Now one of the women's the other woman's daughter got home from school and like was clearly upset and wanted to talk to her mom about something And so she said that she was upset about something that happened at soccer practice And she told her mom she felt uncomfortable with the way that coach Wilder had been massaging her leg Oh fuck this guy.

Yeah, no I can't even imagine like the alarm bells that sounded off in Emily's head She was wanted to scream This is the same coach doing the exact same thing in the exact same school to these like young girls who are exactly like her Like how many years later? Wow, so oh right then in there Emily was like fuck this I'm going to the police with my story because I think and like I think everybody else that knows this case saw that when she Like she couldn't do anything about it because she was so stuck in her grief But then when she saw that this could like was affecting her friends children and like she has a daughter They pointed out it's like this could happen to her kid too Absolutely, so it's that's when she was like oh fuck that I'm doing something good So she went to the police with her story and she was like listen this has been happening I'm pretty sure it's still happening like we need to do something Yes, so she goes to the police and they she still talks to Jim Wilder from time to time So they're like would you be willing to get him on the phone obviously try to start talking about what happened and get him to say Something while we're like wiring the phone. Yeah, and she's like why are you telling the wire? She's like hell.

Yeah, I will like let's do this So she had us I know so she calls Jim and he's like oh yeah Like I don't want like why don't we meet up and talk because he's like fully onto it Oh, of course He's like, you know, I don't really he that one white says like when he does meet up with her like, you know All these government people are like listening to us. Yeah, all these government people. Oh, you know the government So he's like, okay, let's meet up Which is like you know that she could be also wearing a wire to write he's at these done Yeah, so she's like yep Share so she goes to meet him in the parking lot of the st. Louis calorie amal and she has the recorder hidden in her bra Ah, and as she pulls into the parking lot They have like the tape obviously and she says out loud like let's hope this goes well Oh, so boy does it in the regards of him talking because they got so much stuff and the way that she was able to get him there In the first place is that she was like she was like I'm having a hard time I'm going to therapy and my therapist adjusted that I kind of revisit my past a little bit smart It was yeah, and he's like, you know, I'm this great guy.

So I'm such a good guy Let me help you revisit your past real gentleman I feel like somewhere he like does it I mean he obviously doesn't think what he's doing is wrong because he's like continuing to do it and the way he talks about it You're like what like we're gonna get to some whoa totally him convincing himself. Yeah, he's valid a hundred percent Now the first thing that he asks when he gets in the car. He literally goes are you wired like joking? But like obviously he's not joking How do you keep your face from just being like I would literally shit my pants shit shit my pants Like my face would drain of any color that I had I am the worst liar on the face of the planet I like have a different voice when I like terrible like I just I'd be like oh You'd be like oh, yeah, no like what so she was super badass about it And she like laughed it off and was like oh, yeah, like you know me.

I'm wired always wired chilling in my wires now obviously they just laugh it off and by the end of the conversation there was 87 minutes of everything recorded so they have a ton because throughout the exchange Jim makes multiple incriminating statements talking openly about their Relationship and how Emily was the persuasive one. Oh, yeah, of course the 16 year old You just turned me into this shy guy you know you turned me into one He's like when I was around you you were the persuasive one and I was like the shy guy And he literally says it like that You're like I want to punch you so hard in the Adam's apple that you get knocked into yesterday And he said this I was watching the TV because it's this part of the documentary I was literally about to like take my TV and throw it out the window He goes, you know, maybe none of this would have happened if your mom had an ask me to drive you home that day I Like that is Unbelievably evil like you see now you're putting in her head like you think you're gonna be your mother better In the situation and it never would happen if she didn't put you in that situation like fuck you dude and also it would have Because before you drove her home that day you were already inappropriately touching her of course You have a monster are you blaming her mom because it's just another way to torture her now? It's unfortunately it only gets worse. He goes.

This is ridiculous. He goes this kind of stuff if we were the same age would be no problem Yes, yeah, that's like you're not the crux of the issue But that's actually the entire point of why she's sitting in a car wired with you right now Yeah, and why she's telling you that she's in therapy like no What and also maybe it would have been an issue too because you were married with a child and she's obviously feeling extreme shame for Multiple layers of this whole thing. Yeah, this this one's like you're an asshole no matter what age she was You're just a dick and he also goes on to say we did something that wasn't right according to our laws these days I was like these these days and like it's it's been a while that we aren't allowed to like do things like he's one of those guys It's like we should stone women when they left you out We should go back to the good old days and then at the state if they make a potion He's one of those good old days guys, and then he goes and says but you know, I'm not a creeper Oh, no, I feel like actually that's all I know about you I feel like the fact that you just said creeper makes you creepy. No, I know right like grown-ass man It's like no, I actually know the exact opposite of that.

I know that that's exactly why I know not of what you speak So the police they felt like they got they needed and James Jim while between packing passports and racing to check in holiday prep can be well Pure chaos, but your travel money that you can take off long before you leave pop into your local post office today To sort your travel money in either cash or card instantly and now on post will even buy back your own use cash when you return If you haven't spent it on my screen service visit your local post office today on post money making better happen Turn the conditions apply on post money currency card is issued by PPS USA Pursued to license by Mastercard International PPS USA is authorized by the National Bank of Belgium And is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland for consumer protection rules on post is authorized by the Minister for finance provide foreign currency cash Fx cash by bank available in selected post offices for purchase selected notes only As you wind down this evening that number seven prime for every serum be your secret to aiding at the speed of a glacier Helping to pause the visible signs of skin aging number seven prime for every serum works dramatically reduce skin aging activity while you sleep Find the number seven prime forever range at selected boots, stores and fruits.ie Subject to availability consumer testing dramatically reduces skin aging activity from antioxidant protection against surface oxidative stress There was arrested and charged with six counts of statutory is I say statutory. It's hard to say sodomy Yeah, I know it's really ugly and for a second I was like oh no like that also happened But Lonnie Coombs pointed out that under Missouri law sodomy is an oral sex exactly or more more more Yeah, so each charge would carry seven years in prison if you were convicted and it was looking pretty promising So Emily coming out with her story was met with obviously two very different reactions I always say a lot of people in the area didn't believe her and just painted hers like this promiscuous girl looking for attention Of course, which is bullshit on the other hand though She was not the only one who came forward and when they looked a little deeper into a gyms pass there a very similar account came to light Yeah, because he's a fucking monster and he's a monster who had actually been arrested for basically the exact same thing in 2008 Are you fucking kidding me because a 15 year old girl named him as the man who had been abusing her since eighth grade? Which eighth grade is when Emily met him So it's like now She said everything started with him massaging her leg and then I don't even want to get into it again Basically just doing the same thing that he did And she was able to give investigators specific details about his marriage about his relationship with his wife and also what his Growing area looked like wow so clearly she knew what was up. Yeah And there's actually I say there's a good oxygen article that I'm gonna link and also there's a good buzzfeed article that I'm gonna link that talks more about that Girls uh my count count exactly But basically the things that she said were just eerly similar to what happened to Emily including specific places in the high school where things happened Basically like he took her into the wrestling office and the same thing's went down, but like the same place Yeah, he has a pattern he does and I'm just gonna skip over a little bit of the abuse because this is like really abuse heavy Yeah, if you like if you want to look more into it yourself I'll link those articles so you can't yeah, and it's all like repetitive at that point exactly It's you know But she also mentioned that the two of them exchanged phone numbers and that they would call each other pretty often and when he was asked about this He was like no like that's not true what he didn't realize is that phone records are a thing Oh, those yeah, you could get a warrant for those and they did yep, and it was determined to be a lie So that's a lie because he had cold her multiple times on multiple days.

I love that He just thinks he's gonna get away with all this. No, I don't do it. I never called her I didn't do that if you watched a crime show ever like you know they can they can check up on that like you're thinking that the Government is watching you but you're not worried about phone records investigating you aren't okay cool awesome now This girl's grandparents who she lived with had actually written an email to all of her teachers asking if anything was going on At school because of the way that she had been acting at home basically similar to the way that Emily was acting when she was being abused Irritable sad acting out now this girl had spoken to a teacher about what she should do if something like this were happening to her The teacher never reported the incident she emailed another teacher and was like oh, what should I do about this and this is all the same school right? Mm-hmm.

What the fuck is wrong with this school? Oh, yeah It's oh wait until we get to the end you're gonna like rip your microphone off of everything and throw it out the window Lord Because this teacher as this girl is walking away cuz um she came with a friend to talk to the teacher about it Cuz like you know how that goes yeah And she's walking away with her friend and she looks she's like kind of talking to her friend and the teacher can't hear everything But then she hears her say to her friend I told him to get off of me and he told me this is the way it's done What the fuck and you still didn't report that how that is shameful you're a man Teachers and this principle there's a lot of shameful things in this Because Jesus the other thing is like obviously this he was arrested for this so they're doing an investigation and teachers and students are pointing out that this girl Was known to be very dramatic and she was she lied pretty often and she was a young troubled girl Which like hi, that's exactly why he went after her most likely because he knew no one was gonna be exactly like Have you ever heard of victim profiling? Oh, hey, and because of that because everybody was like no No, no, she's kind of a liar the case was dropped due to a quote lack of credible evidence that any sexual contact had taken place Wow, yeah, so that's okay on the system cool Oh, and he's arrested for this I've said that 84 times for a reason He got arrested for like sexual assault against a student and when the case was dropped the man went back to teaching at the same exact school Okay, so he went again again for the people in the back process here school He went back to teaching at the same school. No what no what that doesn't register what so many brains had to go into that decision And that's really really concerning so many lack of what do you always say lack of neurons firing neurons in there?

That's a neuron graveyard to say the least holy shit now Emily obviously hoped that this time would be different because she literally had the guy confessing to the shit on tape and Everybody once she went to the police and they started working on things everyone around her saw a change on her a change in her She was seeing her kids a lot more. She had gotten a new job. She was drinking a lot less And I actually mentioned earlier. There's a really good buzzfeed article It's a buzzfeed investigates article written by Jessica Testa and the title being the same as the oxygen documentary It's the case died with her again a link in the show notes But Jessica spoke with the family and Emily's mother and Emily's mother Joan told her that while Emily was struggling with her drinking Joan decided that she would keep a monthly calendar and like she would mark Emily's good days with green ink and Emily's bad days with Red ink oh and she said throughout 2014 like after she went to the police all of her like most of the days in 2014 were marked with good green days Oh my goodness that hurts my soul.

Yeah, and like really really fucked me up No, I always mention like those little sentimental things that the family does because I feel like it helps Help the story better, but I always feel bad because like those sentimental things usually lead into the really bad things coming Yeah, and here we are because in the beginning of November 2014 nobody could get in touch with Emily Her family especially her dad kept calling her but getting a answer now her dad knew that obviously she had struggled with her alcoholism But for some reason he was like this I just felt differently about this like yeah, I had a different feeling It's everybody everybody feels that way and when something's going on with her family like this So after leaving her a couple messages he stopped by her house on November 4th Just to like drop some things off for her which I was like oh my god But as soon as he walked in the door he was like something just felt off about this entire scene So he walked to Emily's bedroom and unfortunately he found her face down on the floor her head was stuck in a large trash can that was All the way down to her shoulders her bottom was like bottom half was tucked into a big white blanket And he he didn't think she was dead right away He was like Emily like why are you laying on the floor like what yeah And so he moved the trash can off of her and when he did he realized that there was like vomit all inside the lining and all around Her face and in her hair and when he touched her she was cold Oh, so he called Joan her mom who came right away and the police were called immediately to and this is going to break your heart When Joan got there she said quote I sat down next to her crying and playing with her hair because Emily loved having you play with her hair That was her favorite thing of all. Oh, okay. Yeah, just ruined literally shatter My insides. Yeah, now Richard started cleaning up the appointment and Joe the apartment And Joan was like it was because he didn't want anyone to think that she was a slob because when he walked in the place was like a mess Like and I feel like that's actually a parent thing I literally I was like these these are two other parents very parent They're touching her and playing with her hair and cleaning the apartment Mm-hmm, but the police arrived and they weren't super stoked that like a body and the stand up and fuck it's very bad But it's comes from a place of love of not wanting to embarrass your like lose her lose more of her dignity than she already has Exactly.

So the police gave the family a little bit of grief for doing what they did Which I can understand I can see both sides. That's exactly what I wrote down I said I think a lot of parents would do the same thing and I think a lot of investigators would feel the same way about it For sure, but it's like I mean I don't speak from experience But I don't think the first thing that you think when you find your daughter dead is to preserve the crime scene No, of course not So I get it Yeah Now in Emily's bedroom There were some snacks laying near where she was found like on the floor around her and her phone was also on the floor like next to her And her parents said that that was her usual position when she was detoxing because she would lay on the floor with her phone and some snacks next to her Because she was nauseous to laying on the floor like made her feel better than the snacks like sometimes snacks out Or something. Yeah, so it was just like her kind of routine when she was going through this So the problem that they like immediately saw they were like, okay There's an empty bottle of vodka in the room So they kind of immediately jumped to the conclusion and they wondered like was she did she just accidentally drink herself to death? Yeah, which is sad Yeah, but not crazy to assume based on her history for sure But there's some weird shit when you look further into it because the weird shit is after her autopsy was done her blood alcohol content came out to be just Under point oh five.

I think the exact number was point oh four eight. Okay in like we know point oh wait is the legal Yeah, so she's like less than half of that. Yeah now and it would be the equivalent of like two drinks Or she's like a little more over half of that. Yeah, that's what yeah, I'm not gonna fractions her So it's like yeah, did somebody do this to her was she murdered like it's just it's strange It's between packing passports and racing to check in holiday prep can be well pure chaos But your travel money back you can take off long before you leave pop into your local post office today to sort your travel money in either cash Or card instantly and now on post will even buy back your own use cash when you return If you haven't spent it on a ice cream service visit your local post office today on post money making better happen Turns out As you wind down this evening that number seven prime for every serum be your secret to aging at the speed of a glacier helping to pause the visible signs of skin Aging number seven prime for every serum works a dramatically reduce skin aging activity while you sleep find the number seven prime forever range at selected Boots stores and fruits variety subject to availability consumer testing dramatically reduces skin aging activity from antioxidant protection against surface oxidative stress Really weird and immediately people are like, I don't know like with everything going on and then this happens But you just you think about like the position.

Mm-hmm. It's like was she just you know not like totally with it right tripped fell Yeah, or like even she was vomiting into a waist fast Well, that's what I thought of I was like maybe what happened was that she was in bed like wrapped because when I'm in bed I'm like wrapped up in the blanket and then if you get sick You kind of lean over Maybe she was so like feeling so sick that she fell yeah, and then it's not crazy that her phone Like my phone is always on the floor in the morning. Yeah, you know what I mean? She was like on the floor already in that detox position that they said they knew so well from her Uh-huh and that she was wrapped in that blanket on the floor went to get sick into that basket It she fell over and maybe wedged herself a little bit because she panicked perhaps yeah And then she stuck in there and yeah, I mean there's a plastic lining your vomiting well and aspiration can happen I feel like any number of bad things could happen absolutely the only because where her arms like wrapped in the blanket is that No, I'm not totally positive They said that her bottom half was wrapped in the blanket and I'm pretty sure her arms are just by her side Okay, but the the weird thing is that's it was like you know, those white kitchen bins that are like that's what I was It's like you're recycling that actually like a tall one tall Yeah, so it's like she was way in the bottom like even if it would be hard to wedge yourself in there Yeah, especially with your like with your hands by your side because you would stop yourself you feel right unless she passed out Well, yeah, and the other thing was she was a very little tear her mom had said that she had had her she had seen her have seizures before so okay Maybe she had a seizure and I do pass out after seizure like is that I'm sure you can I think you like so many different things can happen Right during and after a seizure so that's entirely possible right so maybe she had a seizure and passed out like and threw up Maybe while she was having a seizure and then passed out and because there wasn't enough air and she could have aspirated on her Right, right exactly your position.

Yeah, I mean any number of things could have happened No matter what that's a nightmare situation. Oh, it's a gnarly gnarly death So it's weird and it's weird because she just came forward about this huge thing that happened after like 15 years of silence And it looks like it was going forward. It looks like it She was supposed to give a deposition the next week that's odd timing that's odd timing the other strange things were that the back door to Her apartment, which was basic. It's like my apartment like with the sliding door I'm glad that I just told you it's always locked and it's like a little thing wedged but hers was not locked It was unlocked which yes, and it was slightly open.

Oh, yeah, which that's weird that is strange now Her cell the oh, this is the other weird thing I was like giving a little bit of information about this before we started and I didn't tell you this part This part's weird her cell phone always had the same password and like her sister knew it But her cell phone wasn't unlocking with that password and her sister was like she always had the same password She was never secretive about her phone Yeah, there's really no reason to change that phone password. No unless it was compromised or someone else did it exactly So her sister was like that just has always sat with me and I've always thought that was weird Yeah, that's strange And the last thing that they pointed out was that she was super super claustrophobic and she would have never like stuck her head that far into a trash can Like yeah to be sick on purpose. Yeah, it was just super weird now They did investigate her death But it was the death investigation was closed after less than two months and the official report states that the manner of death cannot be determined Which that's weird the manner of death cannot be determined But the cause of death was due to quote asphyxiation due to a trash can lined with a plastic bag over her head Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, the plastic lining I think Huge deal definitely like she probably likes literally inhaled that yeah So but then the manner is how she got in there right first place because it almost reminds me of um the Phoebe Hinstra case how did you get in the trash can a trash to shoot and how Kendrick Johnson?

Yes, like how do you yeah, these are all very like what how did you end up there? And sure it's possible when you look into for sure, but it's also possible You can see many angles of all of these cases and it's like but it's not cut and dry No, it's like this this one this one It's like accident seems most likely in my opinion, but I wasn't at the crime scene So I can't tell you that like and there are things that are pointing in other ways weird that the deposition was happening the next week And that she had just come forward and wired right for this whole thing which can make things scary Absolutely, but then it's like then you flip that around was she much more stressed out because she knew she had a deposition coming up Well, is she self-medicating because of that stress and anxiety and terror and probably feeling the officer the detective that was like dealing With this case when she initially came forward He was like I could tell that she had been drinking and he was like but I still believed her account 100% I think that she like you said she was just self-medicating Yeah, she was she was really really stressed and anxious That's the only way she had taught herself to to deal with her nerves and seems to me if you were going to be deposed The next week that that would trigger a lot of emotions and stress and nerves and you're I mean when you come forward about trauma You start to relive that part of her life Like so I don't it doesn't it wouldn't shock me that she had like a relapse of no of having like a binge moment And then on the same on the same thing it wouldn't shock me if that happened and also I really wouldn't be shocked if No, if it came out that somebody else did this I wouldn't be like what like I'm like goodness I'd be like all right. Yeah, we got a lot of sense right it's accident and and somebody else doing it makes a lot of sense Yeah, you can see it both yes well Emily's family and friends do think that there's a very strong possibility that she was murdered and This is a little crazy because they were like it didn't necessarily have to be Jim Like we're not saying that he didn't know because she had told her friends and family that Jim was surrounded by people that she was afraid of and There were a lot of people in town who knew about the situation and did not stand on her side There was a lot of people that were very loyal to Jim and think you're ruining a good man Oh, and that's exactly what they were saying like this is every article like described him as a golden boy Oh, yeah, they always do always and I'm like that's like Brock Turner or whatever fuck his name He had that I promise thing future and now it's ruined because he's a rapist and it's like Oh, I'm not saying this fucking idiot like took away his own future He robbed himself of his future. Can we say that he took away someone else's future?

Yeah, how about we don't even think about his future at all because now we just talk about his present Which is he's a dick. Yeah, that's how that should go and now this young girl has to figure out the rest of her life Why don't think about her future exactly? So So they yeah, so Jim is surrounded by like people who are sketchy obviously he's a sketchball But there's more sketchy people involved because around July Emily was involved with a police officer now her sister was describing the relationship And she was like I wasn't necessarily like always a romantic relationship Like it seems like like a flirtatious relationship that may have crossed the line at one point and yeah I'm on and off kind of casual thing Yeah, like cross the line of just friends But maybe Emily wasn't into it anymore like that's what it seemed like and she was telling people that she wasn't she was like I don't really want to be with him and when she told him he was not happy and like wasn't having it So there was an incident confirmed one night where this and he was a police officer He showed up to her apartment unannounced and just like walked into her apartment and he found her there with another guy Oh now the other guy that she was with Was a coach at a nearby school and also a married man that she had been having an affair with okay now her mom pointed out like This is like kind of Emily's pattern after what happened to her She she did date very older men and she made bad choices She did and like it was like her friend Christine said like you make bad choices sometimes because you're so affected by your past You just don't know how to get out of it I'm not excusing it But no, but it's just the reason why the choices are probably made exactly And so she had been having an affair with this man allegedly and apparently his wife found out and had been threatening her So I mean like why I mean it seems like nobody was too keen to keep the investigation going on into her death But it's like when all that stuff starts to come out like that should be interesting Why not look into it a little bit yeah So the fact that they didn't seem to like care too much was really upsetting to the family and her friends The more upsetting thing though is that the charges against James Wilder were dropped when Emily died What now she died before she was able to give her deposition So they wouldn't have enough to go to trial without her testimony because her testimony along with the recording would have been pretty good to Court together, but still even that like wasn't gonna be like they were like we can go with this and like it has a possibility of going really Well, but we also don't have any DNA or forensic evidence So there is a chance that we'll lose this case that's so bad But now that they didn't even have her testimony They were like we basically have nothing like what we're really gonna go with this audio here We can't go forward. Oh no yeah and Cat Lee cited in a medium article that quote due to the confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution Prosecutors were forced to drop the charges against James According to this clause a defendant has the right to confront the accuser because James's confession had been made outside of Court it was not sufficient it was not sufficient evidence to indict the victim with his crimes Wow, so there is a clause in the Constitution where basically he has the right to like to face her Yeah, and because that wasn't gonna happen that was like it wasn't because only factor made in a lawn like in an interrogation or in a right court of law Right.

Oh, right. What a fucking loophole. Uh-huh. God and I said I was like I don't know what kind of like like good luck charm that he carries around but he really seems to avoid trouble He's got a shamrock shoved up his ass.

I love that I like I love that you just said that because so after Emily came forward and he was arrested in 2013 This is where you're gonna get real pissed at the school system So he again so he was arrested in 2008 just to remind everybody and went back to teaching at the same exact school Mm-hmm then he's arrested in 2013 and when this happens the school puts him on administrative leave and terminates his contract So that's awesome. Mm-hmm, right? No because he was still being paid his salary for the next year in eight months and also got a severance package Are you fucking kidding me? So this motherfucker who's being investigated of like Horrific using the children he's supposed to be teaching abusing the children He's supposed to be teaching and you're supposed to be taking care of and protecting and admitting it and it's on tape And like that's awesome that you guys terminated his contract, but if you terminated his contract, you don't owe him shit You shouldn't have a severance package.

I'm saying also same because he was never convicted He never had to register as a sex offender and he's still to this day currently right now as I speak has a teaching license So he's unable to teach in the Lindbergh district because this all happened at Lindberghi school He's unable to teach in that district, but he could go anywhere else and teach like he could come here to Massachusetts and teach He could go literally he could still be in Missouri, but be in a different district and teach Wow and be able to pry upon young girls because clearly he admitted it That's what he does he had a relationship with a 16 year old while he was a 29 year old teacher and coach Can we I feel like that's very least what we can expect from our teachers is to not abuse the children that they are I feel like at the very least we should we could make that a bar. I know I feel like that's a good bar Just that we're like oh if you like don't abuse the children that you're teaching no and you can keep your job Well, they do and like why why why is this so hard to just be like you know what teaching is not for you Yeah, don't do it. Just it's fine. Let's just end that dream for him.

Let's just go right ahead By no, don't do that my ruinous future. Yeah, we don't know sure like let's ruin that future for him It's like what about Emily's future like my god what so Emily sister Andrea said about this quote He's been arrested twice for statutory statutory sodomy by two different women and if you look up his criminal record today It's completely clear. This is someone who still has their teaching license and that seems wrong Yeah, he has all the opportunities in the world now wait out for him Dusty though because I wanted to end this on high note. Thank goodness.

I know because this whole thing was a real bummer But you patreon spicked it and I said yeah, I said yeah So the light at the end of the tunnel is a little bit of a catch 22 now Christine lever I mentioned her a couple times She's Emily's best friend she started a Facebook page in memory of Emily and after the oxygen documentary came out in December Like it literally just came out and obviously so many people saw it and it shed new light on the case and that in turn with this Facebook group More students from Lindberghai have come forward on the page sharing their stories of abuse at the hands of Jim Wilder amazing Yep horrible, but amazing that they're sharing their stories, right? That's why I said yeah, because it's like awesome He's finally gonna get hopefully some kind of like some justice will be served I fucking hope but horrific knowing that this was so widespread exactly now the amount of people coming forward me Christine reach out to Wesley ball Excuse me Wesley Bell the prosecuting attorney and he said about it quote We place a high priority on seeing that their allegations are investigated and reviewed for potential criminal charges So let's go let's fucking go because it's like I hope that justice will be served and that Emily is like somewhere and they can see that She started this all man and I'm gonna end this work girls This is a quote that like she I think she'd either texted or said this to somebody else It said she said at first I doubted myself and I was scared to death But I now realize I'm not only freeing myself, but saving other girls. It's a blessing and I've know I know I've done the right thing That's it that just gave me chili willy and that was that was one of the last thing she ever said Oh, and now it's true than ever oh and I want for her parents I want her parents to see some justice out of that and her sister I know and it seems like her her parents are like trying to work with like these people and yeah like let us help You like what can we do for you and her sister man? Yeah, that's outrageous.

It was wild. It was really sad to research There's so many articles for you to read that I'm gonna link that I just like cried through reading yeah, and there's a patreon I know I have to say the BuzzFeed article was really awesome I was a great one because I had read that a long time ago Yeah, you and I were just talking about that and also like you obviously you know there's audio clips from the conversation in the fire tap There's I think there's something like five maybe so you can hear his dumbass talk. Oh my god in his voice Yeah, it just it makes sense and it's so jokey and like jovial. Yeah, he just thinks it's all whatever He just seems like a little boy who's Little little little but little bitch boy.

You're a little but so yeah I will link those in the show notes and you can also follow us on Instagram at morbid podcast hit us up on Twitter at a morbid podcast And us a gmail morbid podcast at gmail.com. We hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it But not so weird that you suck don't suck. Bye. Bye As you wind down this evening that number seven prime forever serum be your secret to aiding at the speed of a glacier Helping to pause the visible signs of skin aging Number seven prime forever serum works to dramatically reduce skin aging activity while you sleep Find the number seven prime forever range at selected booth stores and boots.

I Subject to availability can see retesting dramatically reduces skin aging activity from antioxidant protection against surface oxidative stress