The Whaley House

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And this is a spooky morbid. It's a morbid and retrograde. It is a morbid and retrograde, guys. Guys, are you experiencing the lack of communication with legitimately everyone in your life right now?

Are things just not going your way? Blame it on Mercury, man. Are you crying for no reason at all? Are you crying because you didn't get a close enough seat to the drag show?

And you wanted it to be special for your man. So are you crying because of that? Because I did last night. Thank you and goodnight.

It's, you know, usually I'll buy into like, I'm like very Capricorn. You want to buy into that stuff? A lot of this stuff though, I'm very questioning about. I'm like, no, no, no, no.

But the way that today has gone, the way that the couple of days has gone, when you said Mercury is a retrograde, I was like, I'm a believer. Because Mercury, first of all, I'm a Gemini. I'll blame it on that. If you don't know, are you a Gemini?

This is actually a astrology podcast for now. But no, so I'm a Gemini. Mercury is my house planet. And when so retrograde means Mercury is moving backwards.

So everything is all fucked up, especially for me and everyone else. It feels that way. So you know what? As skeptical as I am and as like, this as silly as I am, I'm willing to blame it on that.

So otherwise I don't know why everything is so fucked up. You just have to be a little patient with technology, a little patient with communication, a little patient with everything. And just like, try your best to communicate eloquently. And if you got fucked up, just scream about retrograde.

I think that's what I'm going to do. Because it just seems like everywhere you turn, you're like, what the fuck is going on? When in doubt cry. When in doubt, just scream and cry.

Scream and cry until you get your way. So it's about to you by ash. If anyone else is feeling that way this week, you know, feel free to blame it on Mercury. Yeah.

That's what I'm going to do. Fuck it. So let's do it together. Let's all be weird and silly together.

Isn't it funny how like nobody ever is like, oh, Jupiter's in retrograde. It's always Mercury. I don't know what it's about. A little bitch of Mercury.

So on a good note, we have virtual shows coming out that we've been so excited to announce. Yes. Instagram, you didn't see. Look at news.

We're doing three shows. A world tour. A world tour. I'm like, you go.

You do the intro. You do it. So we wanted to do it so that people in different time zones could not have to do, like, watch out crazy hours or not be able to watch because of that ones. And, you know, we were like, we would have loved to do a world tour in real life.

So let's do it virtually. Yeah, until we can do it in real life again. So we're calling it Halloween. And it's leading up to Halloween.

And we are doing an Australia show. So it's going to be 8 p.m. local time Australia. 5 amr time.

5 amr time, which we're psyched about. I love waking up laterally and doing fun stuff. I think it's going to be fun. It's going to remind me of Black Friday.

There you go. We're also doing a Europe show, and that's going to be APM your local time as well, which is what time for us? 3PM I think so. That's going to be just like nice.

I'm just going to have to pretend it's nighttime. Hopefully it rains that day. Yeah, there you go. And then we're doing a North American one, which is going to be APM Eastern Standard Time.

Yes. So we are going to cater. It's going to be three different cases for each of us. Each of those shows are going in six different cases.

And each case like Australia Day is going to be for Australia. It's going to cater to the demographic. Yeah, I'm saying. And on top of that, we are going to be really Halloween-y with it, and we are going to dress up.

But you don't know what we're going to dress up. You don't know. It's going to be something different for each show. So we really went like him on this.

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Yeah, just make sure you read because it can be confusing because it's a lot of options. Many options for many options. But we're excited about that. And we're going to tease out our costumes a little bit ahead of time.

Let's start that tonight. Yeah, I think we're going to post a little snippets because it's fun and we're very excited. Yeah, I haven't been able to dress up for Halloween in a long time because once you have kids, you're just not really paying attention to your costume. I haven't dressed up for a while.

And then this year, it felt like we weren't going to be able to because where the hell are we going to go? Right. But then we had a reason. I know I had like four costumes this year because I have three for the shows and then I have one for your kids.

Yeah, because we're dressing up as the Toy Story characters for my kids. Yeah, because. Yeah, kids. And so we're excited about this.

We hope you guys are excited. And I think that's everything else going on. No, if you're a Patreon State too, not the end of the episode, we are going to shout out some Patreon's. We're trying to do that one episode per week.

Just one episode a week and we're doing it at the end of the podcast. So just hang out for that. And a new Patreon episode will be dropping soon. What will I can't tell you what day because we have I think a thousand of four cases that we're trying to get done in two weeks.

So it'll be in there somewhere. Yeah, but I think yeah, I think of them that we're just going to start our show. And you're doing a haunted one this week. Yes, you're taking the haunt.

Remember, all about to October, we have tober. All of October. All of October. We decided to do spooky.

So we decided we're going to do one of our episodes. It's going to be like a spooky, weird, paranormal, spooky, spooky thing. And then the other episode will be like straight up true crime. Yeah.

So I chose the spooky one this week because yours was so fun last week. Thank you. It was a lot of fun. Rectory, the Borley rectory.

That was amazing. They're a little looser of an episode and you can like have a little more fun. Yeah, I feel like they, because you know, it's easy to make fun of paranormal stuff. Like not make fun, but like have more like sillyness involved.

Because it's not like real people, like, you know, dying. Nothing. So if you have all the Chicago River crew, nothing goofy about that. Fooded me up.

Yeah, that's no good. So the one that I am covering today is the Whaley House in San Diego. So if you're in San Diego, you probably know about it. Probably been there if you're a weirdo.

There you go. So it's located at 2476 San Diego Avenue in historic Old Town San Diego. Apparently the location is really cool. Actually, it's like kind of smack dab in the middle of like a ton of shit, such as like just like downtown stuff, like restaurant shops.

Yeah, like it's in the middle. It's really cool. That's cool. So in this was ranked by Travel Channel as the most haunted house in America.

Oh, that's pretty good distinction. Let's go. In 2005, Life magazine called it one of the most haunted houses in America. So I did the most haunted house in England and you're doing the most haunted house in America.

There you go. Perfect. We did it. So this house was built on the site of a pretty gnarly hanging.

So we start out right away. This house is built on a spot where you were just asking for ghosts, like 100 percent way back in 1852, a small time crook named James Robinson or better known as Yankajim. Yankajim. Yankajim.

I just made it really. I was like, who's a gym? Yankajim. He was caught stealing a rowboat.

He did this with another accomplice. But he was the one who was hanged while the accomplice really only got like a year in jail. He did not row gently down the stream. Yeah.

If this was likely because Yankajim was a literal like infamous thief around this place. So he was always stealing shit. So I think they just had enough and we're like, we're going to do this. Not cool.

Never going to hang you. Like we shouldn't do that. No, no, but I'm saying he was definitely doing this for a long time. Now this alone is a bummer for Yankajim.

But yeah, but the way the hanging really panned out was not great. Why not great. Sorry if you just heard that. I like that.

So he was a big guy. He stood at six foot four. So it was John's height, which is very tall. Tall boy.

If you have brushed up on your torture and execution methods, which I hope you have, I mean, we do hope you all have, then you're aware that by the mid 19th century, the short drop style of hanging was totally out and the long drop was all the rage. Yeah. So you got to make a show of it. And this was by the mid 19th century.

Again, by the mid 19th century, I mean by like 1866. So this is 1852. We weren't there. We weren't at the long drop yet.

Oh, so apparently that in 1866 when it changed the long drop method, this is just a little history lesson for you. Thank you. Apparently that was when a doctor was like, whoa, this short drop is real fucked up. Like why would you suffer for longer?

You're literally just trying choking to death. And he was like, why are we just letting people strangle to death? There's a better way to do this. He was like, let's be humane and give them a chance to break their neck first.

So humane of us. So this doctor, Samuel Houghton, determined that there were three ways to die from hanging at the moment. And these are exactly what he said. One by apoplexy caused by pressure on the jugular veins, two by asphyxia caused by stoppage of the windpipe and three by shock of the medulla oblongata, which caused by a fracture of the vertebral column.

And then he wrote in the first two cases, so apoplexy on the jugular and asphyxia of of the windpipe. He said in the first two cases, death is preceded by convulsions. Lasting from five to 45 minutes, which are caused by the cessation of the supply of arterial blood to the muscles. But in the third case, death is instantaneous and painless and is unaccompanied by any convulsive movement whatsoever.

Is that true? So to me, that seems bad. Yeah, because you're breaking your neck. So you're done.

And this is great. And it led to the long drop methods of hanging whereby, you know, the person has dropped from a height calculated relative to their weight and it hopefully causes their neck to break and boom, they're dead painlessly. Right. I used to squeeze the big shop in wherever I could.

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Well, so the short drop method, it was for Yankee gym. Oh, Yankee gym. That's right. He was hung on the gallows after being kicked off a cart with a new news around his neck.

So low that his tiptoes were scraping against the ground. Hocus pocus style, hocus pocus style. And he strangled for upwards of 45 minutes before finally dying. Oh my God.

According to the local paper, quote, he kept his feet in the wagon as long as possible, but was finally pulled off. He swung back and forth like a pendulum until he strangled to death. That was in the old timey paper. What a poetic paper.

So nice. So who is who's in that crowd and who's gleefully watching this? This execution be botched. All the children in the town.

Everybody. And one guy in particular named Thomas Waley. Oh, so Waley was born in NYC and was and his family had come from a Scottish Irish background. They immigrated actually originally to Plymouth, Massachusetts.

Massachusetts. What what? You know that rock that was in 1722 that they originally came over. But Thomas had moved across country to California during the whole gold rush scenario.

Gotcha. There he opened up a small business with a friend and it was huge because of the influx of miners and workers in the area during that time. And then a fire destroyed the building and it looked like all was lost. Well, shit.

Well, he tried to open a few more businesses with some other people, but it wasn't panning out. You know, he was having trouble. Right. So we ended up moving back to New York City.

There he married his high school sweetheart, Anna. I know. Anna, Eloise, Delaunay in 1855. They both moved together back to San Diego.

Once they were there, Thomas was like, huh, where can I purchase land to build my future home to fill with children? I know those gallows where I watched that giant man strangle the death for 45 minutes. So he did this on purpose. Yeah.

Well, he was like, Oh, look, that land is for sale. That's where I saw that guy die. And then he was like, they're like, wow, you can have this land for like real cheap because it's built on a gallows. Because he was like, cool.

So he bought it for like nothing. So obviously he did not believe in the paranormal. He didn't. He was not.

He was like, whatever. So he bought it for nothing and he built a $10,000 home there, which back then was like, Oh boy, bitch, a $10,000 home. So he bought the land where Yankee gym was brutally strangled to death in the gals. Just want to keep putting that in there.

Just a friend of a reminder from to the guy bought that land. So the San Diego Herald at the time called it the finest new brick block in Southern California. Hell yeah, so it was a pretty good house. We love we love that.

He built on this land a greenery and connected that to the home and a general store that he ran. I didn't know what a greenery was. So I looked it up in Webster dictionary and it's a storehouse for Threshed Green. You don't know what Threshed Green is.

I don't either. So I looked that up to it's to separate seed from a harvested plant mechanically. So they sold rice there is what you're telling me. Green, right.

They had three kids in this house, Francis, Anna and Thomas. I love the name Francis. I do too. I think it's very cute.

It is. He opened another general store closer to town in the plaza. So like, they're all well, except that everyone was immediately starting to hear shit in the house as soon as it was built. Cause galleos cause galleos.

Can we get that on a shirt? Cause galleos. Cause galleos. I really.

That's genius. I'm going to email it honestly and answer for everything. Cause galleos. Like what's that sound?

Cause galleos. Yeah. So everyone cause galleos was hearing footsteps. Like one word.

They're hearing all these footsteps. They're hearing like bangs. There's always footsteps walking around the living room in particular. Lots of cold drafts.

I'm assuming. Well, the exactly. So the living room had an archway. Like still has an archway.

It's still there. It has an archway that leads into like the parlor part of the living room. Sure. And this archway is supposedly exactly where the galleos was.

Oh shit. Yeah. So they all assumed it was Yankee Jim doing all this stuff. And they just dealt with it because what the fuck do you expect when you buy the plot of land that a dude was brutally strangled on?

Cause galleos. Cause galleos. So this is when the family really started having bad luck though. Uh oh.

And Anna would later say the wife would later say like she believed this house was cursed. Absolutely. Duh. At only 18 months, baby Thomas died of Scarlet fever in the house.

Oh no. And around the same time a fire destroyed his other store and it was said to possibly have been arson. Oh shit. It was like whoa.

Side note. I didn't really know a lot about Scarlet fever. And then Alison explained it on the streams and on her most recent episode and we already told you to go on listen to that. But seriously listen to that.

It's so good. Sorry. And it's just so good for this time of year. And so we had a family to move from San Diego to San Francisco.

So they left the house vacant for a little while. Never. Cause they were like, we need to get out of here. It's like in the Borley rectory when it kept being fucking open for like debt for just six months.

Exactly. So they were like, let's just move to San Francisco for a little while. Um, and Thomas was like, I'm going to get some work. We're going to just kind of chill out for a minute and like get over this.

It's a big deal. Yeah. Um, and so in San Francisco, Thomas and Anna, Anna ended up having three more kids, Violet, George and Corinne. Cue.

So according to Whaleyhouse.org, in 1867, Thomas Whaley assisted in the American takeover of Alaska, where he established doors in Africa and helped set up an American base and served as councilman. So you see, I was literally just going to say he's busy. He's doing the damn thing. Um, there was an earthquake in 1868 and this made the move back to San Diego to the Whaleyhouse.

Oh, no. And they felt like owned this house. They did. Yeah.

Cause they were doing it. So, uh, I think they were also at one point, they started renting it out to people, which they continue to do. Sure. So they're like, great.

Let's just pretend none of this happened. Uh, they begin working their general store from the property again, and they turn the greenery into the San Diego courthouse. The courthouse was renting that like room. Oh, cool.

Um, and they used three rooms upstairs on the second floor as a record storage for the courthouse. So they definitely were like bringing in some big deal. So they also turned a part of the house into San Diego's first theater because the Tanner troop theater stayed and rented a room in the house between 1868 and 1869. And it's like set up like a theater room.

This is like a swarish board of a house. It's a cool house. Yeah. So around 1871, the courthouse wanted to move with all the records to Newtown, but Thomas Whaley was like, um, no, you have a lease.

Uh, so he was like, sure, you can break that lease if you pay me and break out of money. So they didn't like this. No. So in March 1871, while Thomas was out of town on business, there was a violent raid of the Whaley house where those records and court documents were forcibly removed from the house to be relocated to Hortons Hall on sixth and F in San Diego.

So they didn't even go to Newtown? No. Well, they did. I guess that's a new part of Newtown.

Oh, okay. And during all this, Anna Whaley was held at gunpoint on the ninth step on the ninth step of her staircase leading up to the second floor by this whole angry mob. Um, so that's a trauma event. I mean, like they removed those records forcibly with an angry mob and held at gunpoint.

That's right. That was out of town. Now people call it the legend of the ninth step and they will feel this horrific presence and a feeling of dread on that step. Oh, I don't like that.

And it says it feels like someone's trying to stop you from going further up the stairs because they are. Yeah. And they will literally feel like pressure, people say. Oh, that's a spooky.

No, during the following years, there were instances of footsteps constantly around the home. Thomas was the one who first noticed them, but Anna said she always felt a certain sense of like doom and foreboding in the house. She said the tragedies were probably all attributed to this ghostly presence. She felt this was cursed.

In 1882, Violet and Anna were married. Like the two daughters. Oh, okay. Sorry, I meant daughter Anna.

Yeah. Yeah. They were married, which meant that they were killing the game back then. Yeah.

Her first cousin, cute, woof, named John Waley. Well, cute. So the cool thing is she didn't have to go through the whole like change your name process because they were both named Waley. See, that's the convenience.

Very convenient. Unfortunately, Violet's husband, George T. Bertolacci, don't know if I said that right. Don't care because he sounds like a dick.

Oh, good. He turned out to be a dick. So they got divorced. Oh, scandal.

So scandalous. Just grace upon your family. Talk about it because this was 1882. She was humiliated, even though he was a dick and like she couldn't take it anymore.

Like he was an asshole. Yeah. They had to get divorced. She was treated like shit because you're just supposed to shut up and take it.

Yeah, she's supposed to shut up and deal with it. She was literally treated like an asshole because he was an asshole. So on August 18, 1885, after dealing with all this shit around town and from everybody, Violet just absolutely devastated of being bullied and harassed and treated like shit went out to the backyard and to a building back there and shot herself in the chest with her father's gun. Wow.

Thomas Waley, her father found her and carried her into the home where she died in his arms in the home. Oh, God. So already we're having a lot of really traumatic things happening in this house. Thomas Waley actually died in 1890.

So not too long after, only like five years after. Yeah. I used to squeeze the big shop in wherever I could. Usually when I had no time and have a list, then I tried super value online shopping or to win at suit you delivered to your door or ready for free click and collect at your local store fresh from your local super value exactly as you'd expect and the 20 year old off your first order when you spend over 80 year old trying it was an easy decision.

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It's a broken heart. This was after moving the family out of the house again after that. Oh, he died after years of trying to get the town to pay for the damages done in his home during that raid and also getting justice for the literal salt on his wife. Yeah, they never gave him a cent.

I believe that nothing. I believe that. In 1909, son Francis moved back in to the Waley house to renovate it all because it had been sitting dormant. So they were like, we got to do something about it.

They went into disrepair and all that. Yeah. So between those times, it was literally just empty. Like shit's just like bestering in there.

Yeah. And like emptiness is just cold and sad. Yeah. And then he went back.

He was renovating, which we all know that goes hate HDTV. So they're not into it. That was a really just they're not into it. This is that that was like a callback to our episode with them.

Oh, yeah. And literally have the worst memories doing a callback guys who was doing that episode. Hi, I'm so in 1913, daughter Anna died in the home. Oh my God.

Or not daughter, and excuse me, wife in wife in. She died in the home and soon the kids, Anna, Lillian and George all moved into the home again, but all of them besides Lillian also died in the home. So it's like insanity is like doing the same thing multiple times expecting different results guys. Yeah, like we got to maybe leave this house.

I don't know sell that shit. So nowadays this house is a museum and you can go there. You can take tours, self guided tours, but a lot of shit goes down. Oh, yeah, I do.

So apparently the piano often plays by itself. And it's like an old aspiano, not one of those new ones that you can like hook up to play. And it'll be like it's like creepy shit. Like it'll be like, you know, just like really like slow just one key at a time.

It must be so fun to be a ghost. Oh my God. I would just be lolling constantly. Like can you imagine just like trying to play like a Britney Spears song on the piano or something and like scare the shit out of it.

I would just play Alaska Thunderfuck constantly. There you go. So the so she and the leers swing light swing. The lights will turn on and off even though some of them aren't even like hooked up to the main electrical thing.

Sure. So they're on their own circuit. Electricians have come in and checked and there's nothing wrong with the wiring. So there's no reason for them to flicker.

It's so creepy. Doors open and close, but steps are often heard around. People hear the sounds of people eating and like literally having dinner in the dining room. What?

Like hearing utensils scrape against like China. Ghost gotta eat. Yeah. And then people also during this will smell like the meal is being cooked.

That's just harassing. They'll smell bread and like pie and stuff. And then they'll go in there. Nothing is nobody's in there.

If I smell bread and it's not on the table, get the fuck out. I'd be pissed. I'd be real pissed. You smell a chicken dinner and you go in there and nobody's in there.

I'm about to write a strongly worded letter to the afterlife. Do not fuck with me with food. No. So people will often hear high heels walking quickly down the hallway and they think that's anawally.

They'll often hear children playing and laughing and like tiny feet running across. Tiny feet. Yeah. Right.

And they see impressions in the second floor of people lying on pillows when no one's there. Oh. Figures are also seen from the outside of the house in the windows. That's the worst.

And no one's there. Yeah, it's the worst. Also this is interesting because this doesn't happen often but they have their family pets have come back to haunt the place because pet cemetery. Exactly.

So they had Dolly the dog and winks the cat when they were living in the house. People will see a dog in cat often and they will see them inside and then when they'll say something to the employees like oh they're so cute they're like we don't have animals in the house. That's so creepy. And they'll also see them like running in the backyard and together like chasing each other.

There's no animal there. That's just disappear. I love that. Now remember that the greenery was turned into the courthouse.

Oh, yeah. Well people hear gavel pounding randomly and like unmistakably a gavel. And like rice spilling on the floor. And rice spilling from the rooms where the Tanner Troop Theatre stayed for a while.

People will hear like vaudeville music and like laughter and conversation like there's a lively get together there when no one's in that room. So they're Joe Ville in the after life. They see Joe Ville. Now Thomas the the infant who died at 18 months of scarlet fever.

People say they do hear him because they'll hear a crying baby or they'll hear a cooing baby like a laughing cooing baby but there's no baby there. That's weird. Yeah. In the place under the archway between the parlor and the living room where Yankee Jam was hanged.

People will feel their throat suddenly constrict. No thanks. And will feel like they can't breathe or they have to cough. Oh.

I'm not breathing. I don't like. But people will like walk through the archway and suddenly be like like like we'll like half the cough suddenly or like what the fuck was that. A tour guide said he has that Yankee Jim seems to have a sense of humor as well.

I love that about him. He said quote sometimes we get visitors coming up or down the stairs the agreed location of the old gallows who end up with a red mark across their necks. It doesn't hurt and most people don't even notice until someone else puts it out. One girl ran out of the house in a panic after her boyfriend noticed the thin red line.

Which can you imagine Yankee Jim be like how does it feel everybody. Just like law in from the gallows. From the gallows because gallows. Yeah.

According to wallyhouse.org again, the former curator of the museum, June Reading, who really passed away. So R.P. June said we had a little girl, perhaps five or six years old who waved to a man she said was standing in the parlor. We couldn't see him.

But often children's sensitivity is greater than adults. However, adults have reported seeing that man as well. And they think it's Mr. Wally.

Oh, so he's happy. I hope he is. It's a museum now. I really hope so.

He wanted it to be something. Apparently he's usually standing on the upper landing on the second floor and people said they see him clad in frog quote and pantilines. The face turned away so she couldn't really make it out. But then he'll fade away.

But he'll just stand up there looking all, looking all distinguished and then be like a dramatic exit. Like he's looking over his, his castle. If I was like a pantaloon and I was like pantaloon and then the top and then I disappeared, I would just go, whoo, I would make that two-ish dramatic hand movements. And then I just boom, she's gone.

You should like, you just bow real quick and you leave. Can I? So in 1964, this is very interesting. Regis Filman, Filden, excuse me, R.I.P.

Regis this year. Oh my God, I forgot that Regis died. Yeah, 2020 Regis Filden is gone. I'm gonna feel that all over again.

I'm sorry, I didn't know it hit you so hard. I forgot that Regis died. You sure did. In 1964 though, he visited the Whaley house.

Yes. And he said he saw Anna Whaley. I bet he did. And his quote is, all of a sudden I noticed something on the wall.

There was something Filmy White. It looked like an apparition of some kind. I got so excited I couldn't restrain myself. I flipped on the flashlight and nothing was there but a portrait of Anna Whaley, the long deadmistress of the house.

And he said, you know, a lot of people poo poo it because they can't see it, but there was something going on in that house. Hell yeah, there was- So Regis believes it, I believe it. Regis is word is the word of God. It's word.

So in the mid-1800s, it said that a young girl possibly named Anna Bell was running down the hill outside, not with the kids, not here for it. And she didn't see the clothes on and broke her neck running through it. She was taken, so they panicked, took her into the Whaley house and placed her on the table to try to help her. But apparently her trachea was crushed.

She died there on the kitchen table. Oh shit. Now people will see this little girl in the kitchen or running through the yard. Oh thanks.

Now I took a look at several travel sites and I saw that a common occurrence as well is to feel cold in that house in random spots. Like, you know, that's to be respected. But a lot of people feel sick to their stomach in certain spots and suddenly get like an overwhelming like in the courtroom. They'll feel sick to their stomach.

And actually, if you watch, I don't know why I'm bringing like Buzzfeed on Solved Up so much lately, but Shane and Ryan, we do. They went to this house. And when I think it was when Ryan was sitting in the chair in the courthouse, he said all of a sudden he felt like really dizzy and lightheaded. Yeah.

I don't think Shane felt the same way, but like, because they're you and me. We all know that. So, but it's interesting because that is something a lot of people feel. That is weird.

Now another thing that's interesting is about 40 years ago, a police officer was called to the Whaley house and he saw a ghost. He only said that he saw this in his retirement letter when he retired from the force. Oh shit. So it only came out after that.

I was like, oh, because I think I'm crazy. This letter is where he spilled the metaphysical beans, if you will. He said he was called to the house because a concern said a citizen had called and said they heard a woman and saw a woman sobbing behind the Whaley house. Oh, no, I know that.

When the officer got there, he heard the sobbing and he went back there and he said he saw a woman in period clothing crying. And so he said, ma'am, are you all right? And she turned, smiled at him and disappeared. Because it was violent.

It probably was. Oh, I got chills. I got the gooseies. So, and Thomas Whaley has been known, which is kind of rude, but kind of funny, to blow tobacco smoke in people's faces.

That's just great. He likes to do it to women a lot. Okay. I love that, Thomas.

Anna is also said to have worn a specific French perfume that she always wear and people will smell that strongly. You know, that happens in our house, like our childhood house. Yeah, I always smell my grandmother's perfume. And ma'am does too.

She always wore she now number five and I smell it. Fuck yeah, she did. Now, Victor Santana, who was a longtime tour guide there, he left in like 2014 after like 14 years of being a tour guide. Wow.

And he was setting an alarm one night and putting in the code for the alarm one night in the house when he heard a woman ask clear his day to him in the dark, why you here? No. Like pitch lack in there. You're setting the code to get out of the house.

Why are you here? I'd be like, I'm not anymore. Bye. Well, he did.

He was so scared that he ran out of the house without putting in the code. Oh my God. So he opened the door, which set the alarm off instead of code. Apparently the police showed up because of the code.

And when he got there, one of the officers was like, okay, we just need to talk to that lady in the parlor too. And Victor was like, what lady in the parlor? And he said, the lady in the green dress, she works here too, right? She's in like a costume.

Nah, brother. There was no lady. But people think that it was Anna because she's often seen in a green dress drinking tea in the parlor. A lot of people see that.

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And that's the thing I was thinking up to is when we were in the basement at the Lizzi board and house, we were on like this little handful of people were on like a tour. I will never forget this as long as I live. As day and the tour guides were downstairs with us. And she was upstairs.

And all of a sudden you heard a woman say, hello from upstairs. Like think of how many times you've been alone in your house and you're like, hello? Is there something here? Like we're in their space.

And that's what the tour guide, because I remember the tour guide was actually like, went pale and was like, yeah, no one's upstairs, I promise you that. And she said, she said as much as we think, you know, she's a ghost, she doesn't understand that she's dead. Right. And she thinks we're ghosts in her house.

Because he got like traps. So she might hear us and be like, hello, like what's somebody doing now? Do you believe in like parallel universes? I don't know.

I don't know. It's a lot for me to do things. Do you think in a parallel universe like they're still there? Yeah, maybe.

And that's what goes on like another thread of time or something? I picture like Donnie Darko with like the little like time travel bubble. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That little like gooey thing that comes shoots out of your chest. I think we all have it. You have to follow it. We just don't see it.

They're the ones alive and we're all ghosts. We don't know it. Fuck. I'm just saying.

Whoo. We've done her a lot. What is happening? I don't know.

So unfortunately the Whaley House right now is kind of struggling with the pandemic. Because people can't come on, you know, a journey. Well, you can take a video tour of the Whaley House. That's cool.

And I'm going to link to it in the thing. There's also a Q&A with the Whaley House historians that you can participate in. I think it's on October 25th. I'm not positive.

I'll double check it. We'll link to that too in case you want to do that. Yeah. I think you can also send them some donations and like they're always looking for stuff like that.

Yeah. I think that's the way they have a lot of books about the Whaley House and the history and all that which if you're into that feel free to go on there and buy from them because you know we want to keep these places. It's a small business. It's a small business.

It's a small business. Because even like the Lizzy Borden House was having financial issues staying afloat and I'm worried about that. Is that why they? I know Lizzy Borden House is different from Maple Croft.

Is that why they sold it? What? Maple Croft? I think so.

Yeah. Oh, that's really sad. Yeah. Because Maple Croft in case you didn't listen to the Lizzy Borden episode is the house, the mansion that Lizzy and her sister moved into after their parents were killed and they named it, and she died in that house.

Because her sister moved out. Yeah, they had a following out. Yeah. And so Maple Croft turned into a museum and it's so cool.

And they were really trying to like redo it at the time that we went to the Lizzy Borden House. Yeah, they were telling us to go there. So it looks like they weren't able to financially do it. Has I been bought yet?

Do you know? I don't know if it's been bought yet, but do you know how badly I would buy that house? Oh my God. Oh my God.

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