Okay, guys, we're gonna smoke. Alright, everyone, we're going to go with the smoke! Where's the smoke? Okay, copy, where's the smoke?
I'm looking at danger close now. Alright, guys, get the plan hot! We'll be live. Do you think he has a trustworthy face?
Yeah, I think he does. Yeah, he's got one of those like... What would you buy from groceries? No, I might buy like an app.
Like some kind of financial planning app. Really? Yeah. Like, you're gonna be in entertainment.
No, no, no, like, like, hey, I'll help you organize your accounting for your taxes. I mean, it's good, better than my accountants. Dude. There's a lot of people, and for a lot of reasons that I think you would understand the people would envy your position in life.
You've had a little bit of a rough last year, which we'll get into. But growing up in the family that you did, semi, not very, but semi-recognizable last name. Like I said, it never really caught on in the US. Yeah, it's like, the hassle off in Germany.
Totally. You know, there was no TV show around your family at the formative years in your life that probably created any additional stress or pressure. But it's, we were talking about it today, man. There are problems regardless of the type of life that you are living.
Broke completely broke living on the streets, which I don't wish on anybody has a layer of problems. The world that you live in, and I love that we could sit down and talk about it because I have no interaction with it. At the end of those conversations half the time, I leave with, I don't know if it is as enticing as it may appear from the outside. Yeah.
Because we should definitely not get into the account issues, but they were horrible. Yeah, I did. I count on the fucking evil. But also necessary.
They are. And I wonder if they made it that way. I think it is. I think, well, especially, you know, in the time in which that I began, I think money, you know, like 15, this is.
You talking TV show? TV show. How do you even, I'll assume that the amount of money was relatively good. How do you, how does the 15 year old brain comprehend that?
I was really, I was kind of naive to a degree to it because I was still living at home. I started earning really, I mean, substantial money, like seven figures when I was 15 years old. And I didn't, I didn't buy shit. I wasn't like a super spendy kid.
Like I was it. Did you need to though? I don't know if you know this. Your parents probably do okay as well.
Yeah, but my parents kind of once we started earning and like having money, like it was funny. Like my parents were, I'm actually very grateful for this. Like the moment I turned 18, my parents turned around and were like, here's your cell phone bill. Here's your, here's your health insurance.
This is your, your man. Now you're 18 years old. Like this is you. I think that's the way.
Yeah. You and I both know examples of people where that wasn't the way and they never develop a sense of it will be the word, maybe grounding in real life. Yeah. No perception whatsoever.
No appreciation either. Just oh, I misplaced something that's five, six figures. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.
Fetch me another. Yeah. Yeah. And so here is daddy.
Fetch me another one. And I think there's such a public perception that like, you know, not that I ever engage in comments, but it's like, oh, whatever. It's like, dude, I've been, I've been working since 15 years old and I've been responsible for that since I was 15 years old. And like it's, and you, and back then there was no AI to help you with finances.
It was books. There was like, and so you consult specialists like accountants and lawyers and financial planners and you hope to find what is the simplest solution, which is that person to be like, Hey, I got you. Like don't worry. I got you.
And it is the biggest, I'm not saying they are all like this, but my experience by and large has been very disappointing with those people. Do you think it's mostly word of mouth? Because I'm trying to figure out how you would test run an accountant. It would almost need a year.
Yes. And maybe it goes great. Maybe it doesn't. But then you would need to test run the accountant that you are going to have six of those issues.
Yeah. I feel like it would be a lot of word of mouth. You know, I equate it to dating like a psychopath that first year, it's like, Oh my God, this woman's amazing. Like she's doing, she's cooking and cleaning and like, she's like the greatest girlfriend ever.
And she's there when I call her. And, and then it's like, when it's like that relationship is solidified and you're like, Oh, wait, this is turning into obsession. Like this person is trying to like, she's watching you sleep from the end of the bed. Yes.
And waiting until you're not looking and then like just doing it, just doing it. Like, there might have been my lost account and didn't be so dirty. I was telling you and I'm still I'm still picking up those pieces. It's terrible.
I wonder if you all will have faith back in that system, but I almost think the key is the heavy handed or heavy handed enough approach where they know that you're engaged and involved because I feel it's the space and you were saying that again, I'm talking about a world I've never experienced, but I was asking you in the circle of friends that you know when these people will approach you and just say, Hey, just be the artist. Don't you just want to be able to handle everything? But you've experienced it in a way that it might not necessarily be a counter but people in business, how they say one thing they're doing another or they're not doing what they say they're going to do. It breaks your trust in humanity.
100% because you're like, wait, I trust you said, I trust it. And it's really hard to kind of come back from that because it's I'm at the end of the day. I'm, you know, the Uncle Sam is calling me when there's a problem. It's not like, you know, it's calling my accountant being like, Hey, bro, like they don't and you sign away.
They have you signed contracts, which basically is like, Oh, we are not responsible for any F ups with the IRS or, you know, whatever, tax, you know, state tax board or whatever. I wonder if you would see a doctor that made you sign the same type of things. I don't know if you would. Yeah.
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As far as I know when it's when when the federal government comes off to accountants, they hold and it's like we are not giving you any leeway. We are coming for you because that's kind of fair. Yeah, that's their profession. I feel okay with that.
Yeah. It's a dirty woman. You're not going to get away from it. Even what you slightly unpacked.
We'll just call it the Battlestar Galactica of the family business. Holy cow did. Yeah, it's a lot. You are not going to be done in a matter of weeks or months.
You're going to be done I think in a matter of years. Yeah, there's a lot of waiting through a lot of bullshit right now. Yeah. How are you doing with it all?
I'm okay. It's you know, it's ups and downs. You know, I drove out here with my buddy Cole and we were talking about the kind of just the all the kind of business side of things since my dad died. It's kind of distracting from like the grief of it to where you're like, Oh God, I'm like I'm grieving the loss of this, you know, important person.
But yeah, there's all this stuff we got to take care of and it's just this strange like how do I focus my energy and it's so stressful. I tried to check in on you, but I also give you your distance at the time. It's a tough man. I lost my mom in my 30s and all I can say about grief is I don't think there is a journey or a path.
Everybody is on their own walk with it and there would be times years where I would feel like I was very, very well accustomed to my mom being gone. One of the things that scrambled my eggs the most as I accidentally pulled up a voice mail from her years later, holy cow. And the fact that it was unexpected, I don't know how I got onto it. Yeah.
That one pulled me back into it for a bit, but I think it's okay to go through those seasons. Don't put pressure on yourself. Yeah. I mean, again, plus you guys, there's a lot.
Yeah. The first thing is I've had those moments where some weed will happen. I'm like, oh shit, pull me back into it. Just think about my dad.
And it's like I'm okay with it. In a weird way. It's like I'm okay with the pain of it because I think it's a what's that cliche? What is it?
The pain you feel is like a measure of how much you love them. It's like, hey, it's okay. It's the price we pay. I think you'll come to appreciate those moments.
I have because you will, years from now, you'll live a large portion of your day or week or month. It won't cross your mind as much as it does now. I've learned to appreciate those points where I'm a little bit stopped in my tracks and pulled into it because it's always going to be my mom. I don't have the vocabulary for the impact that she had on my life, but also life happens.
And now I'm a father to three children as well and all the stuff that goes with that. It's complicated. I'm glad to see that you're doing well though. How long after that final concert did he pass?
What was it? 17 days. Did you have an indication when you were there that he might have known he was coming to the end? The time, again, the random thing happens in life.
But oh, like you were saying in the coffee shop or it was the world's greatest mic drop. Well, the greatest mic drop ever. Yeah. I mean, holy hell.
Yeah, you couldn't write it. Yeah. I think I did. There was a couple.
I just had this feeling, you know, just weird. Well, ever since I first met you many years ago at Origin Camp, I think your dad was going through surgery the very first year. So it's not as if. And I see this my own father turns 80 in January.
Age is real. It's coming for us all. Not me, of course. I'll just live forever.
Yeah. Just keep doing what you're doing. But man, I mean, I can look at my dad for three and a half decades down the road and say, okay, and I do notice things and I know this more things. So I mean, I know the time is fine.
My father will pass at some point. And it's, I know you were dealing with it for quite some surgeries and stuff like that. Like the nerve stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. And we all kind of, I mean, he was so, people, you know, we spoke, I've spoken about this, but he was so sick leading up to the show so much so that two weeks before the show, he went back into hospital England and like the money type of stuff or what? No, he, so he got, he took a fall and he fractured two vertebraes in his back and they went and did that like cement stuff where they like, you know, seal the bones. And he got sepsis in like January of 25 and sepsis when you know, when you're sick in your 70s, it's amazing that he kind of pulled through it and they had him on like IV antibiotics for like two months and it just rocked him.
As it does. And he just had all these kind of cascading like issues and leading right up the show was like on again, off again. It was just, it was ping pong and two weeks before the doctor was like, dude, like you, you shouldn't be doing this. And he's like, I'm doing it.
And you know, it's, I kind of saw, you know, he wanted to do it more than anything. And I was like, okay, dude, like you're a, you know, like this is your journey. Like we had to support it. Whatever you want to do.
If you want to cancel it, we'll support it. If you want to go like it's all in. And I just, yeah, he was like, let's go. So yeah.
My mom passed about two weeks after I got home from my last deployment. Wow. And in talking to my dad and my sister, they both think that she was, and not negatively so, but holding on to make sure that she got to see me again. I wonder if there was an aspect of that for your father saying, I'm going to, I'm going to get through this.
And then shortly afterwards from my mom, her decline was pretty precipitous. Yeah. It was, it was kind of strange because at the, uh, so at the show, that actually it's the one year anniversary is like on Sunday. These are really enough from the show of Jocko smiling for the first time.
Jocko smiling. He was like on the Grinch's heart just, he had to have been side stage or backstage. Oh, yeah. So his, his thing about Jocko, like he socially engineered his way everywhere.
Like he was like up in the mix. Yes. On side of the stage. Yeah, it was great man.
I, I loved, I was running into him all day and he just had this big old smile on his face. He had the best time. And I'm so glad he was there. Um, he, uh, but like that so on the, what was it?
The, on the Thursday before the show, so the show was on Saturday and they sound checked all the bands and stuff and they did like a big photo shoot with everyone that was performing. And I was hanging out and, uh, in the backstage with a bunch of guys and I was sat there with the guys from Metallica and lost. I was like, man, this is awesome. And I was like, I love this because usually when it's like this kind of reunion, it's someone's funeral and, and I was kind of like, oh yeah, you know, I was like, but this, I said something along the lines of, except this is like a happy day.
And he was like, yeah, totally. And, and, um, the bit of kind of was it was like a bit of a living, waking a weird way. He saw people that he hadn't seen in the years and you know, it got to say, hi, do people hugs and, you know, yeah, it's, it's a trip. It's a really kind of strange, like, did that just happen?
Like, did that really, you know, and only, only he could have an exit like that. Like, come on. Like who gets to do that? Not me.
Like, not me. Like, the outpouring afterwards as well was that had to have, as a family felt, I don't want to say comforting, but it had to have helped at least in some way. Yeah. And it was, it was weird because I never thought it would be like that because I never thought of it, you know, you, I didn't ever think of, you know, I don't think anyone ever thinks of the parent passing and what will the public think because I'm not, that's just not in my, how will the public react to my parents?
Like, oh, I know is how I'm going to react. Yeah. You know, I was in a unique situation for sure in comparison to almost everybody on earth. Yeah.
And I was just, the whole time I was in the focus for me was like, what's, you know, man, what's that day going to be like? And it was certainly not what I expected. You actually, you weren't over in England when I'm not in the US. Yeah, it was rough.
Yeah. Just got back. And, but in a weird way, I'm kind of, kind of grateful in a way because I got to spend like a week, I got to spend a week with him at the house post concert, post concert with my kids and it was like, man, it was, it was great. It was, it was chill.
He was laughing. We were like, you know, in England, we have the tabloid newspapers. So like every, you know, day after the show, there was like another article about the gig and like all these memes. It was the first time he'd done a gig where, because he was on social media before he got injured because he was like, why do I need to get, you know, be on social media?
I guess. And so by this point he had, he had TikTok and Instagram and he was like seeing stuff coming through his feed and he was like, it was like instant response. And so he was kind of like laughing at all like, and like stoked at all the, you know, social media buzz about it. And it was just, yeah, it was funny.
It was just like a, an interesting thing to see. And I remember I came, I came in and I had this newspaper and I was like, look at his article and I just like, you know, gushing over him. I'm like, look, he's like, he looked at me goes, a lot of fucking good. That does me.
When you say you're over in England, I just imagine you on grassy, filled estates with stone buildings, wearing top hats. Yes. Monocles, a lot of others bringing you a tray of paper. We have with our children are in three piece with tails.
Yeah. Why does that come? I mean, but that's because I would isn't England. Some of England.
I mean, some of England, not kind of England. Weirdos. You still have King and Queen. Yeah, we do.
We do. They really have that much power anymore. I don't know. Apatami thinks that this is probably an element of influence because like they meet with the Prime Minister once a week, which is there's got to be some kind of influence there.
Like if the Prime Minister is going to do something crazy and I'm sure the King would be like, yeah, I don't like that. It's got to count for something. Do you think the Prime Minister could override what the King says? I think so.
Yeah. So they are. Well, if that is the case, then, yeah, it's more of a status than actual status and influence because because in England, we have like the House of Commons and the House of Lords and Parliament Lords Lords and like the House of Lords is kind of like, I feel like that's a little more aligned with like, you know, British Aristotle. It is British aristocracy.
Here's the crazy thing about Lords. If you're a Lord and you have a son, your son becomes a Lord when you die. So you're automatically in the House of Lords. What do they do in there?
Other than reverse hand jobs? Allegedly. There is like legislation that they can pass and like certain they there is government things that they can do, but it's totally optional. How much to my knowledge, not that Michael's not a picture of the House of.
Yeah. I want to see first off, I want to see what they were. Are we talking powdered wigs? I don't know if they were powdered wigs.
I think it's a little more. Yeah. Oh, wait, no, it is. Yeah, you have like you have sometimes the House of Lords appears like people and I make it.
Holy shit. Look at the ones on the bottom right, Michael. Yeah, look at them. Look at that.
I just see that to me when I see that I'm thinking Tuesday, London. Do they go to Starbucks in that or do they have to go? I just think it's insane that they wear that still. Tie to the culture.
I get the historic nature of that, but it's 2026. Well, I get here's what I do like though about like in like the legalities, we're like wearing the robes in court. I like that because the reason why they wear robes is so every, you know, both the prosecution and the defendant's lawyers, they all look the same. So you can't so juries can't look at a lawyer wearing a fancy suit.
It's kind of like a wearing geeing. You're just. Well, it's levels of playing field. You can't have guys up in a $25,000, you know, Savile Road suit Italian.
Yeah. Yeah. And the other dudes are public defender. Yeah, wearing.
They're shirt untucked. Totally. And in the age of where maybe 10 years for working from robots now or for the robot overlords, I think we can ditch the powder wigs. I think so.
I think so. I think it's probably time. Yeah. You know, they're all like in England.
They're like, I read the monarchy. I'm like, why don't we start there? Why don't we start getting rid of the powder wigs and you know, but I, I, in England though, I do, I like the culture of the monarchy. I don't necessarily like, but I like that there's tradition there and I like that it represents that because I think tradition's important.
Are you dual citizen? I am a dual citizen. Yeah. How does that work?
Do you have two passports? I do. Can you travel with both of them on you or just? I would have to enter on a British passport.
What would happen if you tried to enter in your merchandise? They don't like it. Apparently they get weeded out by it. Yeah.
It's like, I think it's some recently new law that got passed but I'm having like a weird thing. I don't know why. Every time I come back into the country now, I'm getting like pulled into like secondary screening. And last time I came through immigration, they were like, Oh, it's because a guy has a similar name to you and we're just making sure you're not the guy.
And I'm like, yeah, but surely there's a picture of said guy. Yeah, you know, all the cameras that I walked by on the international terminal to get to the customs declaration point and the one you have me stand in front of those aren't good in case. Exactly. Yeah.
And they won't tell me the guy's name. And I'm like, this is this is getting annoying. Sometimes I feel like they fly people just because they want to meet them and talk to them. Yeah.
And it's not like they have to declare that. Well, here's the crazy thing. I went through I got pulled to like this because I have global entry. They like pulled me to like the verification.
Yeah, you do privileged. Yeah, totally. No one can get a global entry. Only a select few.
Yeah. When I you know, when I'm on my private plane and economy plus you have which bastards. So when I go through and they were like, Oh, sorry about this. Yeah.
No, you're all good. Send me through. I'm getting my luggage and then over the speaker system. I was like, Oh, I'm not going to go back to the desk and I was like, what the fuck?
And so I go back up and I was like, sorry, I have to take you to secondary screening. I know you're not the guy, but it's saying I have to take you to secondary screening. Annoying their off to me, man. They're off to me.
I wonder why though, if they were after you. I know I'm like, I saw something Jack. Yeah, they didn't watch it. I mean, your internet search history is probably got you on a few lists as it is.
Anyway, just your love of Ukrainian warfare. All those videos. How do you got to be careful how deep you go down that rabbit hole, man? Yeah, it's, yeah.
It's like, I do have to put myself in check and some of those like weird, weird, weird videos. Like I go through spots. I am to a degree surprised that we have not seen a weaponized drone attack in the US by just from a crazy person. Well, it nearly happened at the UFC.
I know it was reported that it nearly happened. I don't trust everything that I read here. I would doubt it. I mean, we were talking, I'm not here to give zero people ideas on what to do, but let's just say the tech is it exists readily available.
If you have a credit card and internet connection, you could figure it out. I'm surprised it hasn't happened. I'm not looking forward to the day that it does, because I do believe it's a certainty. But man, I really think that changes things.
Yeah. It's a very strange day because it's a matter of time, man. It's like, because it's all anything that they're doing in Ukraine is now bled into the Middle East. All those crazy offshoot of ISIS, they're all doing it in Pakistan and India.
It's like, it is not a, it's not an isolated tool being used solely in Ukraine. How big was the security footprint at the UFC? It was wild. It was wild.
There was like five rings of security to get to the actual mini arena that they built. Plus probably 10 you didn't see. Oh, easily. Well, the crazy, once you got into the arena, there was these platforms all the way around and it was Secret Service.
And I kind of, I thought that it was a facial recognition technology because it was like this square box. And it wasn't binoculars. This guy was just going scanning everyone with this square little box thing. And I thought maybe it was some kind of facial recognition tech that they were like just snapping everyone's face.
I enjoyed the headline where you were accused of being a fascist for attending. What world are we living in? It's so insane. I just thought it was funny at the end of the day.
I mean, I was like, really? And like, is your wife find it as hilarious? She did until they started saying things about like our kids and my dad and like, that's when she, and I was like, babe, just stop reading the comments because those people, like, you can't nothing I say or do. You can never appease that.
I mean, people either. No, no, it's definitely some some platforms. I just, you know, I'm doing that thing. But I listen, man, I had a great time and it was an amazing experience.
So once you were in the interim of security, did you have a sign seats or could you throw around a little bit? Yeah, a sign seats in between the fights and like commercial breaks. There was a lot of people floating about. And it was kind of wild because I looked at it and it was like, oh, this feels like the Oscars for like the Grammys for Washington, DC, because it was every, every person you see on CNN or Fox, just they were all just like, like, growing out.
Hard pass. I don't think I would, I have nothing to talk with those people. I didn't, I mean, there was a couple of people I spoke to that were actually really nice and cool. And I was like, all right on, like, but I would, me and my wife were just like, it was just fishball for us.
We were just like looking at it all go down. How were the fights in person? They were real rad. And it was because it was such a small, it was what?
3000 people. I think they said four. Okay. So it was a small.
It's tough. Yeah. Most people in the US actually confuse the Capitol Building for the White House because in most movies they'll do that circular panning shot around the Capitol Building. Yeah.
And people think it's the White House. The White House is not that big. No. Where's the South one?
No. Yeah. So he's laying concrete on the South one. But does the helicopter pad open up and there's an underground layer that the helicopter goes into and Michael make a note.
We'll have to edit that. We can't really classify it. Just because you've been there and obviously talk to people. It's true.
Yeah. No, but it was the cool thing about it was I just kept having this moment with my wife, where I kept looking at her and I'm like, is this really happening? I'm like watching guys beat the piss out of each other in the fights. It was pretty quiet.
You can like, you could hear the smell. I mean, you can see the blood spray. I was like, what's going to happen if like blood gets sprayed on the, you know, on the president? Like, is there like, what happens there?
Yeah. I mean, it's just a wild thing to experience. Just to be like, yeah, I watched men beat the shit out of each other legally, you know, on the South along to the White House. Every fight ended in a knockout.
That to poor you, Gachie fight. Dude, bloodbath. I mean, I'm sure that guy will heal up, but he left that arena looking a little bit different than he entered. Yeah.
And Gachie, look like he just taken a nap. Yeah. I don't know what his skin is made out of or his moisturizing routine, but it should be a study. I would buy a Gachie cream.
Yeah. I mean, just like, just unicorn tears and, you know, command. Yeah, that was, it was, it was, it was full on. The, um, I mean, man, though, just the whole, whole event was so, Dana just called you up.
No, what happened? I have a friend whose friends with Dana and I was just sat like, just joking around. I was like, I was like, you know, a texture boy, Dana, and see if I can get into the fight. And I thought he was, he was just kind of being like, yeah, right?
Whatever. And he's like, okay. And he texted him and was like, absolutely, like, love to have him. And I was like, this is so cool.
And the one of some really funny, so the superstructure that goes over, that was over the arena, uh, sorry, the, the octagon that originally was built for you to really? Yeah. And I just thought it was so funny that like, you two's lighting rig is what they used. And you two would be very upset.
Very upset. He would be very upset. And his purple sunglasses somewhere. I'm not a fashion icon.
So I'm not going to judge it. I'm just saying I would. I thought you would. No, Leah is surprisingly still married to me, even based off of the other day she came home, I was wearing board shorts and cowboy boots and she just, because I got a new pair of boots, I was breaking them in.
Okay. She just looked at me and just said, what, what exactly are you doing right now? I think you and I had a conversation about cowboy boots and you said, I'm not a cowboy boot guy. This was years ago though.
Have you now? I just went to an event at the Medal of Honor Museum in Arlington. Cool. And the dress code was Texas formal, which I had to Google.
I didn't show landman. I said, yes. And he was dressed like that. It was like perfect.
So jeans, cowboy boots, collared shirt. I didn't have a huge bell buckle. Big hat. No, I didn't feel comfortable with that.
I feel like that would have been stolen dollar. Yeah. So didn't go cowboy hat, but I had an old pair of boots from maybe a decade ago, literally the first time I'd worn them. But I had some boot envy when I was looking around there and I saw people, the ostrich boots, son of a bitch.
Yeah, it's a thing, man. It is a thing. Texas formal is very much a thing. Yeah.
So I got a pair of boots after leaving there and I just wanted to make sure that they fit well and I'd happen to be wearing shorts and a t-shirt and boots and Leah came home and questioned why she married me for that particular reason that day. Not that that doesn't happen often. I'm getting like a Vegas vacation vibe. Like you know, they were the crazy uncle they go visit and I feel like he was wearing like cowboy boots and board shorts.
I mean, it worked. They're comfortable. They're quite comfortable. They're easy.
They're easy to travel on just because you can just slip them on and off and you go through. They'll secure it. I haven't done that yet. I don't know if I have the confidence in myself to just wear them day to day.
I'm not a rancher. I'm worried about rancher stolen valor and cowboy stolen valor. It's a thing. It is.
Yeah. It's already been gone. I know I saw a little blip where you're like, there's nothing to do other than God. I wish he would have taken a different tact, man.
Yeah, it was kind of a weird move. Everything he had done was enough. I think a lot of people fall into that victim of that and they want to add to it or layer to it. I don't know why and I haven't asked him and talked to him since.
I talked to him briefly before I put the very short episode out that I did just to let him know that I was going to. Haven't talked to him since then. Yeah. That's strange to me.
You know, you kind of see it in I think a lot. I don't necessarily think it's solely I think there's more impact in it when a veteran does it just because of the input, you know, what's involved with what you guys do. But you see it all the time in entertainment and in sport of like people kind of being like, I'm the man, I'm the man. And it's, you know, he goes in motherfucker.
You go is not your amigo. And it's a. These are said they're done for sure. Yeah.
It's even the news for let's see. People that you were dying of starvation. Yes. Yeah, not true.
Not true. They're like, Jack, what are you sponsored by WegoV or whatever those things? Well, you did a survival show in Ireland. Yeah, I did.
I went into like the Australian jungle for like a month and was given like 500 calories a day to survive. Why are you doing this? It was the best vacation I've ever been on, even though it was filmed the whole time. You don't know because you don't see the cameras, but we mean you don't see the cameras.
They're all hidden. I mean, you know, they're there and you see them. Really? Like coconuts?
Some, some like literally look like rocks and you just see a rock like move. Okay. Well, is the show out yet? Yeah.
Yeah, it was. It's. No, I made it to like the second to last day. Yeah.
But I had the best time because I had no phone and no email. I did not know what was going on in the news. I was like completely, you know, it was like being the most off grid I've ever been while being the most on grid I've ever been because it's a live show every day. Yeah.
All right. So what was the premise? So how do I even approach you with this and why did you even consider it? Okay.
So it's a British TV show called I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. It's been around for 25 years. And I've always been like anytime they've called, I've been like, no, no, and they called and it was a really great amount of money in December right before Christmas. And I'm like, okay.
The presence don't buy themselves. Exactly. And I was like, I called my wife first and I was like, do I do this? She's like, do you want to do it?
And I was like, well, maybe she's like, okay, then do it. If it's a maybe that's like more yes than no, do it. And I was like, you know, I called my mom and she was like, absolutely do it. What are you crazy?
And I was like, okay. And so I just went and I had such a great experience. And it was, was it they were removing people or people would quit? You get voted out.
So you're in for like 10 days, no matter what. And then at the 10 day mark, the British public vote. And so you get voted out as it goes. Michael pulled this up.
This is ridiculous. And it's like, it's like survivor meets fifth factor because you got to do these like crazy gross challenges, like, you know, drink a smoothie made of like goat testicles and dude, I went full, I went full, like you went full something. Yeah. What are we going to classify this at?
Hold on. Because as you know, in the jungle, it can get pretty cold. Yeah, color, shirt underneath that, because you never know when you need to hop in a business meeting bandana of some type of urban camouflage, or sure glasses. Yeah, you're not going to go contacts in the jungle.
That'd be gnarly. Yeah, and you have to create your own, uh, living quarters, my drum food. No, they give you living quarter and they give you you win food. So like the mok, you get stars and each star really, you know, equates to one portion of food.
So the most stars that your people go out and win, you get potions of food. And like it did, but it was like dude, it was it was great. Man, I had like, I was in there with people that some of them had new, new odds. Some had met one woman there I'd met in passing throughout the years, but it was great.
It was so much fun and I admittedly was way too qualified to be in there because I've done enough outdoorsy shit to where I was fucking easy. But yeah, it was great. Yeah, they didn't research you well. Actually, the first time you and I met was at a shooting competition.
You were on the same team. I forgot that. I thought we had met at Origin, but no, I knew you from before then. Yeah, they didn't do their research.
No, I was like, this is just in case you was at that same. That's when I met him as well too. That's right. He was there.
Yes, such a nice man. Yeah, yeah, that was a great event. I'm bummed at 6th up doing it. Yeah, the weather.
I mean, basically we're fighting the fog of World War II. Did we start one station and then they stopped or did we not even start? Remember they gave you, we had the dry run day where they kind of give you all the courses of fire and they let you kind of get it? Yeah, and then the next day the fog rolled in.
Yeah. Yeah. And then we stopped and started and that woman was in her shorts because that was her thing. Yeah.
Yeah. What's her name? I don't know. Yeah, survivalist.
So, okay, you're out there. Can you destroy other people's lodging and steal their stuff? You can you can start the past. It gets shitty and people will do that survivor thing where they like will, you know, click up and start talking shit and this that.
But I went in there with like, I was like, fuck this. Like, dude, I've done enough. I've done enough like, call it like expedition type TV shows and done a lot of things out in the field. Well, you know where it's like the jactas.
Let me do that. Yeah. What was it made out of? What was this?
Like it was like, go testicles and semen. It was like whatever. It was horrible. The whole thing was horrible.
But look at you. It's all tatted up. Yeah. Okay.
And so all the voting power is from the viewing public. Yes. People on the show don't have a say in it. No.
Interesting. And it's the biggest, biggest winter TV show in England. I disagree. The great British Bake Off is like the word.
You British Bake Off kind of guy? I might have watched all of the seasons available on Netflix in a row. I'm very upset to hear that Prue is no longer on the show. Paul Hollywood.
I've reached out to him on Instagram for advice on cooking. He hasn't got back to me yet. That's messed up. Now it's, it's, who does it now?
It's I haven't seen either current ones. I basically binged through what was available in Netflix. No, it's just, it's just British comedian. He does it now.
Is that a Prue? Yeah. And he's great. I think it's the same guy.
I'll be honest. I watched that show for the emotional crumbling and things falling apart. The cakes are crumbling. Yeah.
The cakes literally crumble but watching people unwind. Are you, are you, do you like to cook? Are you a baker? I mean, let's be careful with the terms that we use.
I am capable. I do enjoy cooking. I am not going to say I am a baker or I have a real understanding. But I like cooking.
Yeah. It's like grilling stuff with anything. I've never gotten into breads or pastries or stuff like that. But I need another one.
You didn't do like the sourdough during COVID? No, actually. That was like a thing. I don't even know if I ate any sourdough during COVID.
Where were you for COVID? I was in Los Angeles. Oh, so just the best place in the world. Yeah.
100%. Well, the crazy thing is during COVID, I was filming a TV show and midway through, I remember seeing off the Christmas, like, all this shit in China. Because I went on vacation and I'm like, watch it. I'm like, oh, cities in China have been shut down.
And I'm like, this is, virus is spread pretty easily. Like there's a thing called an airplane. And once it starts spreading, that's going to be tough to put a lid on. Yeah.
And I remember we called production manager and the other execs. I'm like, hey, can we call the insurance company and find out like what our coverage is? If we get shut down to a pandemic, like, what's the deal? And they were like, well, what makes you think it's going to come here?
And I'm like, they're shutting down cities in China. Like people fly to America from those cities that they've shut down in China. So we, they called the insurance company and the insurance company was like, yeah, this has never really happened before. So we don't know.
And I was like, yes, it has 1919 Spanish flu. And they were like, well, that was different. They had no foresight. It was wild.
A lot of people didn't know a lot of things to include myself. I didn't know what the hell was going on. But I became very distrustful of every day that people saying that this is exactly what's going on. And we know why and this is what we need to do.
Because I could just say yesterday, you said almost the same thing, but had different guidance. And the day before that, it was something different. I am suspecting. You don't know any more than I do.
You know, it's funny. I listened really early on into COVID. I listened to this. There was this New York Times podcast and they were interviewing some health journalists who's covered viruses for the last 20 years, like any kind of pandemic, whatever, from Ebola to, you know, swine flu.
And it was the most accurate thing that maintained the entire time. He's like, people will have vaccine, they're going to spin up a vaccine really quickly. But the way this is going to go for the next two to four years is like a little, you know, you'll step forward, you'll step back, you'll step forward. And he's and literally what this guy said.
And I was, it ended up being the most accurate thing. I don't know if there's anything new under the sun, other than AI. I don't know what a historical model of that would be. Yeah.
But there are, I mean, I think Michael, when was the right brothers first flight? It's just over 100 years. And then 60 years after that, we went to the fucking moon, allegedly. I believe that we did.