EPISODE · Oct 16, 2024 · 54 MIN
Traveling with NFA Items, SUSH Act, Suppressor Myths, and OSHA Regulations.
from State of the Second
John and Kaylee sit down with Robert from Tennessee Silencers in Seymour, East Tennessee, south of Knoxville. He calls his shop the biggest silencer sales place in Tennessee. It has an outdoor test range where customers can fire a suppressor on their own gun before buying, sells night vision, and rents machine guns. NFA items make up about 80% of the business. Robert lays out what the National Firearms Act covers (silencers, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, AOWs, destructive devices, and machine guns), why it passed in 1934, and how the $200 tax stamp has gone from near-prohibitive to affordable over time. Much of the conversation tracks the recent collapse in wait times. Approvals that once ran six to sixteen months on paper are now coming back in days, with one customer approved the next morning. Robert explains how eForms replaced the old paper backlog at Martinsburg, West Virginia, and walks through possible reasons for the speedup, from background-check system changes to political and legal pressure like the Texas attorney general lawsuit. He shares his read on the SUSH Act and the Hearing Protection Act, why bills get introduced even under unfriendly administrations to put lawmakers on the record, and how state-level wins and the hunting community build pressure. Suppressors are now legal in 43 states, and OSHA recommends suppressor use while shooting, which gives the legalization argument added weight. Robert clears up common myths. Owning an NFA item does not waive your Fourth Amendment rights; agents still need a warrant for an individual who owns on a Form 4. Silencers are inheritable tax-free through a Form 5, so owners should have a will. He covers traveling with NFA items: silencers need no travel form, but short barrel rifles, shotguns, machine guns, and destructive devices require a Form 5320.20. He also explains engraving rules, why a whole suppressor must go back to the manufacturer for a baffle strike repair because ATF treats every part as a silencer, the difference between cleanable and welded silencers, wet versus dry use, wipes, and how the demographic of buyers has broadened from a niche to ordinary gun owners. He closes on the open question of whether the fast wait times are temporary or the new norm, and the risk that creates for retailers and manufacturers. Linkswww.tennesseesilencer.comwww.tennesseesilencer.comQuestions this episode answers What does the National Firearms Act actually regulate, and why was it passed in 1934? The National Firearms Act covers silencers, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, any other weapons (AOWs), destructive devices, and machine guns, and it passed in 1934. Each item carries a $200 tax stamp that was near-prohibitive at the time but has become affordable as its value eroded. Why have suppressor approval wait times dropped from months to days? Approvals that once ran six to sixteen months on paper now come back in days, with one customer approved the next morning. Robert credits the shift from the old paper backlog at Martinsburg, West Virginia to eForms, along with background-check system changes and political and legal pressure such as the Texas attorney general lawsuit. Does owning a silencer waive your Fourth Amendment rights? No. Robert clears up this myth directly: owning an NFA item does not waive your Fourth Amendment rights, and agents still need a warrant for an individual who owns a suppressor on a Form 4. Can a silencer be inherited, and what paperwork does that take? Yes. A silencer is inheritable tax-free through a Form 5, so Robert advises any owner who registered the item as an individual to have a will in place. What do you have to do to travel or move with an NFA item? Silencers need no travel form, but short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, machine guns, and destructive devices require a Form 5320.20 to cross state lines. What is the difference between a cleanable and a welded silencer, and when do you run a suppressor wet versus dry? Robert covers cleanable versus welded silencers and wet versus dry use, including the role of wipes. He also explains that a whole suppressor must go back to the manufacturer for a baffle strike repair because the ATF treats every part as a silencer. What is the status of the SUSH Act and the Hearing Protection Act, and why are these bills reintroduced every Congress? Robert shares his read on the SUSH Act and the Hearing Protection Act and explains that bills get introduced even under unfriendly administrations to put lawmakers on the record. State-level wins and the hunting community keep building pressure, with suppressors now legal in 43 states. How does OSHA's recommendation on suppressors factor into the legalization argument? OSHA recommends suppressor use while shooting, which Robert says adds weight to the legalization argument because one government body endorses the device while another taxes it. Chapters 00:00 — Meet Robert and Tennessee Silencers 00:52 — Test firing a suppressor before you buy 01:33 — What the NFA is and what it covers 04:42 — The $200 stamp and rising popularity 05:33 — Wait times collapse from months to days 07:42 — From paper backlog to eForms 10:42 — Suppressor myths: Fourth Amendment 12:38 — Inheriting a silencer tax-free 15:01 — SUSH Act and Hearing Protection Act 18:20 — Hunting, states, and political pressure 22:05 — The Texas lawsuit and common use 28:01 — Traveling and moving with NFA items 33:19 — Baffle strikes, cleanable vs welded 44:36 — Who's buying now and what comes after the NFA About the guest Robert runs Tennessee Silencers in Seymour, East Tennessee, south of Knoxville, which he describes as the biggest silencer sales place in Tennessee. The shop has an outdoor test range where customers can fire a suppressor on their own gun before buying, sells night vision, and rents machine guns, with NFA items making up about 80% of the business. He holds an FFL and an SOT and has run the store for eight or nine years. He uses "Robert Ware" as his registration-name example on a Form 4. [VERIFY] Key quotes "We have an outdoor test range, so you can actually come out and try silencers, see what they hear, like on your own gun before you. Before you purchase one." — Robert "OSHA recommends the use of suppressors when you're shooting. So it's funny that one government organization says, yes, you should do this. And the other one's like, no, you should pay for it." — Robert "you still have your fourth Amendment rights with a silencer" — Robert "So if you have a silencer, you should have a will. If it's registered individual. That's my little PSA for the day." — Robert "In the past, say, 20 years, ownership of silencers has doubled every four years." — Robert "Congress and our representatives work for us. So if we continue to put pressure on them to vote the way we want them to vote. That's really what we need to be doing." — Kaylee "Once you try one, though, you're probably gonna want one." — Robert
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