Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom Podcast Episode Thirty Seven with John

In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom, I sit down with John Lees co-founder of Copay Technologies, a PhD physicist, five-time Ironman, volunteer firefighter, husband, and father whose leadership lessons come from far beyond the boardroom.John and I talk about why pretending to have all the answers is overrated, how saying “we’ll figure it out” can actually build more trust, and why situational awareness matters more than rigid strategy. We explore how firefighting, endurance sports, and entrepreneurship all demand the same core skill: staying grounded while everything around you is changing.We also dive into:Why healthcare is intentionally complicated — and how transparency can change livesThe myth that great leaders must sacrifice everything elseWhat imposter syndrome really feels like behind the scenesHow knowing your North Star helps you pivot without losing yourselfThis conversation is a reminder that leadership isn’t about perfection — it’s about presence, curiosity, and choosing impact over ego.connect with me here: Website: https://www.kimmillerhershon.com Connect with me on Linkedin: / kmillerhershon Subscribe to newsletter: https: //link.kimmillerhershon.com/widget/form/aEdmdA1W5MhoMCMfy5O8 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.