Hey, it's the job to tell her running back for the Indianapolis courts and you're listening to the fantasy footballers podcast to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Wright Welcome in Jason Moore Mike the fantasy hitman right on Andy Holloway the fantasy footballers podcast for Tuesday October 6th welcome in 2020 party people got a great show for you today It's an important one heading in to week five waiver show Some names to discuss debate you've got kind of two kinds of waiver pickups the the one week rental And then we can discuss whether some of these guys have a long-term value for your fantasy roster hopefully both Yeah, that's the kind of player I'm willing to spend a little bit more on we have our streaming quarterbacks for week five on the show today as well so you can pick them up tomorrow and some news to discuss some injury news and that's going to I mean I saw a Google Doc or a spreadsheet of the top 25 by average draft position yesterday Oh, good, and I think Jake Sealy posted it on Twitter And he highlighted all the players that were either currently out or had been out for some period of time And it was a battle to find who was healthy. It was not even a battle to find it was just unbelievable How many injuries have taken place to affect or disrupt your team? I yeah, I tweeted out if you took the consensus now look your order may have very I'm just saying the ADP If you went if you took the running back one the running back to the wider receiver one two or three so far You have a bad pick for your team like that. That's how insane this has been and what's so funny is I've seen people going back and forth of The zero RB people yeah are like I mean look at what's happening never do you like of course?
You should have gone wide receiver heavy except my zero RB team was Julio Jones and Devontay Adam That is not working out for me and then the people are like yeah Look wide receivers suck cuz I got I got Camara. Yeah, and you know it if you don't have these three running backs Here has you could you can make a narrative an argument for any draft strategy this year. It's why we say zero RB WR QB I didn't that's right. It's the only strategy that works I mean the reality is this is why the foot gland those of you listening who stick with us through here going championships It's because the majority of your league is dealing with insanity and it's gonna be who makes the good way for wire pickups Who makes the right start sit decisions who grinds through the year and has a little bit more knowledge than the casual loser in your league?
That's right take some injuries mix in a little bit of COVID and schedule disruption and it's a recipe for you to win a championship All right, Twitter at the FF followers the fantasy footballers dot com for all the rankings and tools join the foot comms the community We had two Monday night football games last night the Chiefs over the Patriots 26 to 10 and the Green Bay Packers with a Very hand-handily one 30 to 16 victory. So the Chiefs game It got off to a rather slow start seemed like it was halftime Instantaneously, but you can't really hold the Chiefs down forever Patrick Mahomes ends up getting his and you just didn't get enough from Hoyer or stid them in that game Hoyer was awful his pocket presence Zero dot zero according to my statistical measures I mean he did not know people were around him at any moment in time You were let me get your temperature on a player here. All right Clyde Edwards a layer 16 for 64 last night Three for 27 through the air Taken off the field in the red zone at times. He has been very dynamic very good through four weeks How do you feel I ask you this last week?
So how do you feel right now? I'll answer because I think my cancer last weekend. I'm a little bit cooler on him in the sense of the high upside the gigantic Games whether we see them or not, but you're still thrilled in the sense that you've got a really solid weekly plugged in Guaranteed floor for a player and then he's going to get touchdowns through the year That's one of the things that we know and so in those games if his floor is high then you've got a really safe option until whenever he gets Touchdown he's gonna be fine, but I will say this the top five the excitement for having you know What we see when we watch Dalvin cook what we see when we watch all of them come here These guys where they are truly electric I haven't seen that from him the player as much But I do think the role in that offense is just so safe and secure that I'm happy with it I'm just not ecstatic RB 13 on the year so far through four weeks Which obviously that's nothing to be ashamed of but he was drafted inside the top five in some leagues and More excited about Clite over to still arrested season over Jonathan Taylor eyes him. Yes.
I am RB 13 when you have one touchdown But that's part of my question right because they pull him off the field in the red zone touchdown is gonna be less frequent than if they left in there Yes, it is better to be on the field in the red zone But look that I still believe that the touchdowns are coming you don't see a running back averaging over 20 opportunities a game and not scoring touchdowns It's definitely chief's well. I mean Singletary is an example of a player like that. I just want to be realistic with him I'm not trying to poo poo on him I want him on my fancy roster But if he's being taken off the field not getting in the end So he's one touchdown was a long run right it was a 20 plus yard run which reminds me of single-terry I saw to me watching the Kansas City game. It's just been the way that things have bounced I mean are you are you upset with Patrick Mahomes?
I mean Patrick Mahomes yet again was not a top 12 quarterback And I think that if you take the temperature on people there no I'm just gonna stay the course of Patrick Mahomes that is fully where I am with quite every delay if they if someone drafted Edward's A layer and they're disappointed in the running back 13 through a week for I will absolutely try for him. All right, what else stood out from that specific game you got Damian Harris with 17 carries a hundred yards I have a big 41 yard run in this one Rex Burkett had 11 carries James White three carries But back in the lineup with seven receptions which led the team. Yeah, it was it was Sony Michelle was out That wasn't something we had talked about prior And so that means this really Damian Harris is inheriting that role and it wasn't just out he was put on the IR That's right. So he will be out for the next two games at least And then you know Darren Damian Harris inherited that role.
He was he was good He was okay. I mean Sony's looked as good. I mean Tony's been okay this year. I you know I think it's a little bit of fool's gold I think the Sony IR provides an opportunity But we know around the goal line it'll become Newton's back and I you're still trying to gamble with three different players So there are other running backs that I'm gonna prioritize over Damian Harris But that's also because last week I was saying you should stash Damian Harris.
Yeah, no you've been honest See what happened you deserve credit for that too because I didn't expect the IR situation for some I didn't expect that either, but that's also the Patriots. You got to expect the unexpected man. You got ready Yeah, which makes starting their running backs very difficult. That's fair That's why he's not the priority ad this week if you are if you were hurting at the running back position But he needs to be on your bench and see what happens.
You know doesn't impress me Nikhil Harry no no like no body control no 50-50 ball presence I don't I mean he got the touchdown late in the game which was basically a falling over touchdown I don't know. I'm just not impressed with his ability with a size and stature that he has to not be a difference maker on the outside is And there were some I think I'm ready to come back Yeah, there were a couple of passes that I thought this is a good contested catch pass You're giving your your wide receiver an opportunity to make that catch. He's a good wide receiver and it looked not close like he turned His body weirdly and got one hand on the ball, you know, it was just I was really disappointed I am 100 with me. I mean ten targets for demure bird in the offense.
Nikhil Harry had six of them I don't know it's just really not a lot that you want from the Patriots offense right now I mean Julian Edelman is someone that obviously is gonna be rostered because he's been good for a long time But he's disappointing James White is a running back who catches the ball So he can be relevant but until Cam gets back and then when she comes back. It's just him that I want I don't really invest right now in the Patriots office and the update on Cam Newton. He has been symptom-free for a couple days I don't think he's ever had symptoms, right? I'm just giving up.
I don't think I've heard asymptomatic not a doctor But so it seems like let once he you know once he clears and gets the double negative test I'm just saying it didn't get in his lungs It's not affecting him that way of putting him down for the count So once he clears and is no longer able to transmit the virus he would be right back in the lineup Is that a possibility for next week? I don't believe so I think you have to have 10 days of no symptom-free Which would put the timeline one more week past I was thinking about that and I had bad thoughts I was like man if they they tried to like delay that game get a little Tuesday night football get Anyone would do it. That's why I thought it was like bills like I'm not feeling good. They figured out the Tuesday night game Please after what we saw in the field for Boyer and stittle look the fancy football is prepared You can go to Tuesday night football calm.
We're ready. No come on all right Julio Jones Oh, yeah, Alvin Ridley What Matt Ryan Matt Ryan was a player that I was really excited about early in the week And then you saw oh no you might not want to play Matt Ryan if he doesn't have Julio if he doesn't have Calvin Ridley But he had them Jason, but he didn't apparently it was the weirdest thing so obviously first half He has Julio and it's still limited They were they were monitoring him and not just letting him be out there all the time and he was okay in that first half I think Julio was fine Julio tweet something at the very end of the first half did not come back in the game That is very concerning. Yes I want to talk about that more in a minute, but the weird thing to me was Calvin Ridley Let me read you a list of players and you try to figure out what they have in common Zacchaeus first away Jones Smith gauge Hill girly Keith Smith. We've got two Smiths in here.
Mm-hmm I'm gonna guess they all outperformed Calvin Ridley. Those are all players that had receptions for Matthew Ryan. Oh, man Oh, man, it was man really bizarre watching the game and how Ryan looked it looked like he was legitimately playing without those players Even when they were on the field I couldn't wrap my head around it and I don't know if that's a testament to the Green Bay Packers defense And they just took out, you know, they're their best options or if Matt Ryan was just rattled I don't know how to feel about that. Yeah, he misses Julio real Julio not injured Julio and So yeah, we'll have to talk about the long-term situation for both of those players Calvin Ridley has been the number one fantasy wide receiver and this is a very extreme example of Jason's You know analysis where he's looking at the variants that even the great wide receivers have now a goose is not something you expect from your This was the classic Mike Evans.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was bad and I took a poll on Twitter because I was curious Matt Ryan Carson wins who'd you rather have is your quarterback for your franchise? What do you think the results of that poll? Wow, oh that's interesting. That is really interesting.
I think this is just like a fan saying which quarterback do you want? I would rather question was which would you rather have is your home teams quarterback? Yeah Carson wins is what you believe the point is what I believe the point is also my answer I think the poll I think the poll would have said about Ryan the poll was 70 30 with over 14,000 votes 70 30 Matt Ryan Wow, I'm factoring age into mine. I don't know factoring a quarterback play into mine Sure, Todd Gurley was the lone bright spot with two touchdowns Trade talk early immediately.
Yeah, he doesn't I get it. He got the two touchdowns. He came through with a fantasy day. He Does not look like Todd Gurley.
This is this is a guy who is the cliff is here and he's past You want to know one of his best attributes though this season how not Edo Smith? He is yeah, that's one of the things that stands out to me is how much he's not Edo Smith in his office It seems like they're monitoring, you know His knee and they don't want to overwork him, but every time they put Edo Smith in the game It's like they're trying to stop their drives when at least when they hand the ball off to him If he's in there and they don't use him then at least it's 10 on 11 football and you have a chance Let me end with the best save the best for last Robert Tanya six for 98 and three Did you see all the pictures of him best friend George? Yeah, and both of them wearing those those sweet hats on the sideline and wearing the man buns How do you feel about this man bun check oh dude? I'm all in if you want to rock the man bun absolutely get that thing up Is that up in his fantasy production you tell me I heard him right now in three touchdowns I mean we talked about the idea of starting a Packers tight end and we said well Lewis Martin Mercedes Lewis had to what a touchdown last Week and we also had Sternberger get involved Tanya's the guy apparently I mean the dude got tackled on well running around Got back up and then sort of touchdown on that play.
It was amazing. How much is Tonya how much is Falcons? I think you also have 90 10 Falcon the recipe in addition to that is Alan Lazard and Devonta Adams being out and then Definitely a healthy dash of the fact that Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. It was it was a perfect storm for Tonya The great news sorry Jay the great news is for Aaron Rodgers here that if he's missing his hop option You have at least somebody else who will step up.
Yeah, it's not No, it is not in fact nor will we ever be talked we talked about this before I was a little upset when it seemed like the Taking it up to 100 was good because he had the shot I was really sad when I was hard when I was because he is so clearly not a one that if you're going to guard him with the best Fenders he just flat out not good enough before we move on I see ready push this button I do want to I want to circle back to Julio. Okay, I am super worried about Julio like Like I personally am looking at maybe you're trying to trading him for 75 cents on the dollar to someone who will take the name I mean this is a oh this is an older wide receiver who's dealt with a hamstring problem from before the season That's now re-aggravated it. We're in mid-season How many more weeks are you gonna miss and then when he comes back or you're gonna be able to play him now? I'm maybe he helps went a championship for someone in weeks 15 16, you know, hopefully not 17 But I think you're going to have a really rough stretch I mean you look at I mean we had so many conversations before the season about well, AJ Green the same age is Julio's awesome He's been dominant.
He's looked great entirely, but when you're older and you're injured. It's not as easy to come back So I'm just do you guys share my concern or do you not because Julio's been so unfathomably dominant? It's a compelling argument when you when you take the Falcons as a whole Calvin Ridley's You know kind of emergence and in the injury in the middle of the season I mean last year the Vonta Adams won people championships, but he missed a four-game stretch came back and gave you nothing and then you Find they got the production that could be the Julio situation you might have them out for what two more weeks So let's put this into actionable advice Jason. So you're if I'm reading what you're saying, right if you are a Average team or an average to a losing team right now.
You have you've got one win You've got two wins you would trade away Julio Jones right now Try to see if you can make something happen, but then if you were let's say you're four No, and you got depth are you taking on the risk putting Julio Jones on your bench and hoping that it comes through later Yeah, I mean I think that's a good trade for both teams in that type of a situation where you need wins Julio's not gonna give it to you right now Julio's still great, but it's gonna be a while I believe so yeah, I think that's an actionable piece of advice if you're two and two are you trading Julio Jones for Ode welcome junior? Yeah, yeah, I would trade I mean I don't think though I'm junior Oh manager is gonna trade him for currently injured Julio, but if I could do that I would do that in heartbeat Okay, let's talk news news and notes from around the league All right, it was breaking news yesterday Nick Chub short term IR with an MCL sprain everything I'm reading says Nick Chub could be pushing any more like five to six week timeline not a three week timeline Yeah, it's not like the short term IR is a minimum of three, but that does not mean he's back at three This is a six week injury your teams think it's a guarantee they're back in three That'd be nice right minimum of three chub could they have like a bike lining up where he could be out to a week ten Austin Eckler a grade two hamstring string. I've never seen an injury quite like this one Expected miss four to six weeks, but he's getting a second opinion. He's also a tough guy It's just I can only be so tough you can't put your hamstring back on the bone Yeah, I mean this is as good of news as I could have hoped for I mean I put the odds of season ending at about 90 plus percent So if you can get him back in a couple months then fantastic All right, we have Lishama koi with ankle sprain.
Are you actually looking into Kishan on bone right now? Yes, absolutely Show, okay. I need to I took a little pulse. I know this is appropriate the Texans have fired head coach President owner I'm a season ticket holder play caller play caller bill O'Brien, huh?
And I asked I asked the Houston fans. Okay, are we happy and they said They are thrilled yeah, I mean look they are pleased I think it is good for your franchise to not have Bill O'Brien being your general manager your head coach is not done great things there But look at this from a dynasty fantasy roster perspective, right? The new general manager is it is inheriting a team from a bad former manager and those things take time to turn around I thank goodness you've got to Sean Watson Yes, that will help tremendously But you know you've got a team that's own for and it doesn't have its first or second round pick this year What GM wants to go into that job? It actually concerns me a little bit from a functional head coaching standpoint Bill Bryan had taken over the head coaching or the play calling this past week But just philosophically with David Johnson one of the things we leaned on was David Johnson's gonna get all the work because it's bill O'Brien and that's his former recipe for success.
Maybe you see a little bit more of a committee I'm not sure it's it's gonna be some work I mean Bill O'Brien won exactly zero games without the underhockets and Opens is a good dude, but he had to have smirked just a little bit that morning Yeah, he probably did all right Well, this is Chanel somebody I really like this week dealing with a hamstring injury Hamstrings man hamstrings Just why can't scientists and doctors go into the preventative ACL and hamstring? Yeah, you just wanted to fix it. I don't want them to fix the broken one I want them to stop it from getting broke what if you like you know that flex seal? Oh, yeah Do you put the tape on the back of the leg?
I want to spray? Okay, what if you just spray the back your legs every single right before the game? No, I'll come here tapes up his arms. I've seen claddy with a chance of me balls those spray shoes Yeah, they work Man, he's floating just fine.
I've seen cloudy with the chance of me balls That's my factual basis Steve real quick Cam acres is gonna return in week five Ryan Fitzpatrick will start in week five The fact that's news though makes it interesting with to potentially making a start at some point Sam Darnell Not playing to play Sam Darnell than week five Oh, so Joe flacko against the Cardinals in what could be we won't be here the next week No, if the Cardinals lose to Joe flacko in the Jets guys you got it. We just gotta get ready. We're done It's it's Brooks Brooks is sitting here at the table by himself and We're done. I know we're gonna win that game guys That's what he's telling me and I have no confidence Thank you Brooks and in really important news the Jets waived Kaitlyn Bloch Oh, no, Gorblos The wall is the wall and brings the slide whistle back out But also the Kaitlyn Bloch being released speaks heavily to that Lavian Bell wheel in fact return for the justice point That's a good point Mike before we move on to the waivers one thing today's sponsor man escapes the best body trimmer on the market They got a whole bunch of other things to make sure that you are keeping your body in absolute tip top grooming shape They got the performance packages.
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We're just gonna talk about I'm also two and two and our dudes got flakes for sure Here's the who took it up to 100 Melvin Gordon Yes, he was the running back three on the week great call Andy that pulls you up to two and we are tied going into week Yeah, five where do you think Melva gourd was before that final play? I mean he was already he was gonna be a hundred but I'm saying it was like the running back 15 or so He was at a hundred that got him to a thousand It's just so insane of you know the play call is they're gonna get the ball to Melvin Gordon He's going to run it up the middle because all they want to do is waste the clock and then he just bounces off of everybody and rolls Out sometimes because the whole defense is up. Yes break through that first line. You're gone Yeah, we'll see how it goes this week I'm sure I'll take it up to 100 take your hair up to 100 with head and shoulders available at Walmart pickers up today And check out this Thursday's episode to hear our up to 100 picks of the week Let me and coach All right, we're in the buys or in the buys week five buys the Lions the Packers Kenny call a day Aaron Rodgers Aaron Jones MBS taking a week off after that heavy workload Aaron Jones, man I am the Regretting outing Aaron Jones.
Oh, he's so he's so good. You know people debate Value of running back running back contracts and they do it for good reason You've seen situations where teams lose that prolific running back They don't lose a beat Christian McCarrie, but there there are a handful of players where when you watch them play football You say no one can replace that player Alvin Camara. Mm-hmm. Dalvin Cook agree Jones is in that list I will give a lot of credit to Jamal Williams.
He has he looks significantly better whatever work He did in the offseason took it to 100 on that Week six buys coming up. It's the Raiders Patriots Saints and Seahawks for next week So keep that in mind when you're making adjustments on the waiver wire Let's start with the wide receiver position when we're talking waiver pickups We always start with drop candidates players that you know you as listeners you bring them up on Twitter on Instagram You want to know you want permission really you want permission to drop a big name most of the time because you want to go after The newest waiver wire pickup, but you don't know if it's okay to let somebody go So I'm gonna bring up some names a wider receiver You say if you're willing to let them go for some of the guys on the block this week Marvin Jones Witness yeah, you cut him all right you said yes as well. Yeah Yeah, I'll have a big three-touch on game coming soon. Oh waitin for AJ green cut.
Yeah, he's gone Yeah, T. Y. Hilton cut. I'm not cutting T.
Y. No, I don't I don't blame you. He's not a yeah The other two I mean first of all if I've got someone with the name of AJ green I'm gonna try to trade him first of course before I cut him We need to say that because that's good advice people will trade for big names But he I mean my number one waiver pickup. I'm skipping ahead is his teammate T Higgins But if I had roster T Higgins or AJ green, it's gonna be T Higgins.
Yeah, and I'm close on Hilton I don't don't get me wrong. I'm very close. I just want I want them in a game where they're not Dominating from the beginning of the game and see what happens is so good. It's very good Brandon cooks cut.
Yeah, you can you could say signora Michael Gala. No, okay. There you slide No, no, hang it on especially this week. Yes, DJ more.
No. Yeah, those three guys I'm continuing to roster if they I mean put it this way if those three gallop slate and DJ more were on the waivers I would pro I would definitely put DJ more and Michael Gallup ahead of all the other wide receivers that we're gonna be discussing today So yeah, they should be roster. I think one of the reasons why I'm okay holding on to Hilton for another week is because I'm really not that enthusiastic about the wide super pickups this week It's a good point the last week was exciting with the triple rookie breakout. Yeah, Justin Jefferson great pick up.
Oh, yeah I'm glad we said to go hard in the paint Tell me go hard enough cuz I missed out on him. I was really close. I spent 35 fabulous for 45 And I'm super disappointed. I love that Andy Holloway Host of fantasy football podcast is blaming his co-host for not telling him to be an hire That's right, but but for the record if I got him I would have been taking the credit for giving myself the advice No hard enough, right, right, you're right though Jason There was the rookie breakouts last week and other ones in the waiver wire pickups this week But I'm really not I'm not that excited about all of these options you look at T Higgins all right well T Higgins He seems to be further integrated into this offense super impressive Joe burrow seven targets four four 77 Really seems to be the guy outside of Tyler boy That's going to get the target share now has Baltimore in Baltimore this week has the Colts in Indianapolis the next week He's probably at the top of my list for long-term value, but I'm not actively starting him Which means I'm not gonna spend a ton of fam Yeah, I completely agree This is this is a player that hopefully based on our advice You already had picked up because he was kind of our our number two pick up last week But coming into this week It really is a matter of look at your roster and say is this player I need to plug into my lineup because I lost player x yrs E or is this just he's out there?
He should be rostered because if it's a player you need to pick up and play I'm between two players interesting I have my number one who is your so I like Russell Gage a lot I know is a disappointing game. He was just back from the concussion this week But Carolina and Minnesota are and then Detroit is the upcoming schedule for Russell Gage I think Julio is gonna be out He to me is a great if you need to pick up a player and plug him in your lineup and hope for ten points Russell Gage Will be the guy the other one is Scotty Miller Yeah, he's my number one pickup He's been getting it done and if you you know we keep going back to it But if he just caught the touchdown pass that hit him in the hands on his down week Then he's pretty much been good every week thought that I'd be three and one on my taking into 100 you what and look great He's got it Chris God was not gonna play this week is he this is a short week. No, he's got the hamstring problem I thought I'm trying to remember off the time I had I thought it was a multi-week He already knew that God was gonna miss it. Yes, I'm Scott I'm Scott Miller.
I'm with you Jason Scott email and Russell Gage are my those are my top two pickups I guess you said t-hig and might be your number one you'd be three for me yeah looking at this I mean this is again if I need if I needed to start this player now t Higgins would be my number three because I would rather Start Russell Gage and Scotty Miller ahead of t Higgins Yeah Scott Scottie is at the top of my list Leviscus and Alt I know he's dealing with the hamstring injury I couldn't have been more impressive than this past weekend. He has Houston Detroit He's number two for me behind Scotty Miller because fair, but I do want to monitor that hamstring injury this week because he's a must start this week Yes, if he's fine if he's okay, he's not Julio Jones Jason. He's very young his hamstrings That's it's a really solid. It's really solid point.
There's a hand does the voice get higher as you get older for the Hammy? Yeah, I mean it's the opposite of growing up right No, they're all they're all All right, Brandon I you because maybe on some people's lists he is an impressive athlete. He is still Very difficult for me to start. Yeah, I don't think you can start.
I you the I did have the thought though of once Debo is back Is Debo going to have an I you can problem? Yeah, I mean I I agree with what you're saying the sense that he's playing essentially That's that Debo role we saw last year are we just splitting that role? Between Debo and I you right exactly Debo was back this this last this last week he played on 34% of snaps But he's going to be more integrated and yeah because of both of those players. I'm kind of out on each of them Here's more I would rather have Debo by I agree.
I don't think and I don't think you can start Debo this week Yeah, I need to see more than 34 34% of the snaps and then a if you're looking for a stash player at the wide receiver position My co-hardman is still available in about in more than half of league he has he's taken to Marcus Robinson's job He's Kareem Hunt. He is going hunt at wide receiver. Here's what I mean. I would love to know this is a player who is himself Outstanding an electric but he's not the starter essentially like Reem Hunt wasn't you can play McCall Hartman right now as a backup He just like you could play Kareem Hunt now Obviously it's Kareem Hunt like Kareem Hunt was dominating as a backup weekend a week out and getting enough touches to be confident in him You're not as confident and McCall Hartman, but every single start can have a touchdown for McCall Hartman as he's had the last two weeks And should something happen a lot of this Nick Chup injury that puts McCall Hartman, you know next to Tyree kill on a regular basis out on the field I really like McCall Hartman as as a you know as a deeper stash play if you need to but hopeful insurance policy as well Yeah, it's kind of a philosophical thing Do you want to target type of feeling for your team like a Greg Ward who might go out and get seven eight nine ten targets?
Or do you want to take a shot on one big play with McCall Hartman in general? I want the targets in specificity with Greg Ward at Pittsburgh and Baltimore. No, thank you But yeah, I mean I think the first guys we mentioned this you know the Scotty Miller and Russell Gage and T Higgins Those are up and then McCall Hartman, but none of these guys like super inspire me So, you know, I'm chasing triquon Smith points. I mean on the Saints I expect Michael Thomas to be back this week and they're playing the Chargers Chargers I get Tom Brady through five touchdowns, but they are still a solid defense and then you have the bye week Trick on Smith is just a really deep league ad for me if at all all right Let's look at the running back position on the waiver wire this week couple of drop candidates that have been coming up on Twitter Instagram JK Dobbins.
No, no Yeah, Dobbins is somebody that should be rostered. Yes I don't think it's an absolute for every team if you need to go get somebody to play Dobbins is not that option I mean, that's truly whatever name you're gonna say is probably the case for running back because if there's someone who has the potential to be involved At some point running back then they need to be rostered by someone in the league I see you're about to bring up Zack Moss like my initial instinct is oh, yeah I didn't want Zack Moss anyways, but at the same time he's one of those I mean I'm picking up guys at the running back position that are Seemingly, you know feels like a backup to the backup sometimes just just your weight and hope and so in that category Zack Moss Should be rostered, but I would much prefer the waiver options. We're about to talk about yeah I would rather have Moss on my roster than Dobbins right now. Yes, that's fair.
All right waiver wire pickups that you're focusing on this week I think that there are kind of I'll say three I guess it's four names, but three situations There's the Chargers situation with Joshua Kelly and Justin Jackson. There's the cardinal situation with Canyon Drake though. We think he'll be back out there So Chase Edmonds probably rostered in a lot of leagues but and then there's the Brown situation with Nick Shaw missing time into Ernest Johnson who was in a alliance of American football star That they signed and came in and had a big week last week. How are you prioritizing those or do you include anybody else in that kind of Category sure so if we're talking through all of the situations I would I would be prioritizing the Chargers and I think it's still Joshua Kelly would be the top player I would be going after he's not he is the least available of the players that we have mentioned right here at the running back position It was a bad game for Joshua Kelly I get it But he's gonna have a ton of opportunity with Austin Echler out But Justin Jackson will also be on the field and he projects more as a pass catcher like he has that skill set and he is excellent at it He's not Austin Echler, but he's good at it and we'll have to fill that Austin Echler pass catching roles So both of these guys are in play and I I believe I would prioritize Justin Jackson over De Ernest Johnson from the Cleveland Browns Yeah, I think that's where the question is is Justin Jackson versus De Ernest Johnson.
I go De Ernest Johnson The upcoming schedule is not fantastic. We just talked about how great Indianapolis Colts their defense has just been playing outstanding And after that is Pittsburgh, so that's not great But I think this is a you know a six week injury for Nick Chub De Ernest Johnson Pass the eyeball test in very small sample size, but when we were watching him play this last week in relief He looked great. He ran well and this is a team that has upgraded the offensive lines to fans He's coming in with a nice run scheme. I believe in the scheme So I think I would go Joshua Kelly then De Ernest Johnson.
I'm also Sad I mean super sad to see that Chase Edmonds rostered percentages is 25% in 35% Yahoo I unfortunately have a lot of Kenyan Drake shares I have not seen Chase Edmonds on a single waiver in any league ever that I am playing it, but if he's out there He has to be rostered. Yeah, I absolutely absolutely be behind those guys to me How do you have him Andy? Are you going are you attacking the Chargers or the Browns? I think I'm attacking the charge Joshua Kelly's number one Okay, and I believe that's one of those talent situations where I think Joshua Kelly is a more talented well-rounded running back in Justin Jackson is And so we just based on I test of seeing Jackson more last year and and Kelly this year So that's where I put the priority I do agree with Jason Yesterday we were kind of talking about the Brown situation and like surprised that De Ernest Johnson got so much work and well Is it was Kareem Hunt's growing kind of why they you know in the fact it was 41 to 14 is that why you saw more De Ernest Johnson than we expected?
It's really what Jason said. It's a scheme situation both it's not gonna be all cream hunt They can put another player in especially after he has a debut of 13 for 95 or whatever it was So I think you will be able to flex De Ernest Johnson as soon as this week if you're in a desperate situation Which could be a lot of people I mean would you rather flex Chase Edmonds or would you other flex De Ernest Johnson this week? De Ernest Johnson, I mean, can you Drake is not injured? He had the way this is an update We didn't we didn't give he left the game with about three minutes left to go Did can you Drake but that was after hit to the chest?
Yeah, the wind knocked out of him if the game had been longer. He would have came back in the game He was not injured. He was already back in practice now Overweight and slow or any other problem. I mean, you know, we're unhappy with any Drake But he is not currently injured.
Well, let me tell you something Chase Edmonds six targets in week four Do you know any targets getting Drake has on the year? Oh man like this is five five five targets on the season Edmonds in this last game if there is a little bit of a change of pace here against the Jets Edmonds is very interesting as a flex I certainly believe that the Arizona Cardinals are going to the cliff Kingsbury's gonna take a look and make some changes if you remember the last season the first four games of the year the personnel groupings and the Methodology of the offense for their own Cardinals completely changed I mean after week four they went from running, you know 11 personnel all the time to you know, very low And so I was listening to Cliff Kingsbury talk just about how putrid the offense was and saying he needs to make changes Now that could be Chase Edmonds, but that could also be getting King and Drake the ball in the passing game Which worked so well last year because we don't know I would don't be earnest I had this thought as I was driving in You know reflecting of I wasn't in on Hopkins I was concerned about the target share coming from Houston moving over to Arizona Will he get the same target share which that is a resounding? Yes, I was I was not correct But in my process of factoring that in was King and Drake is still gonna be a 12 to 15% target share player That's what happened This is what has happened to King and Drake is John Drey Hopkins has come in and soaked up all his targets And my final quick note here on why I am Justin Jackson over Deirnes Johnson's Don't draw Hilliard is still on the Cleveland Browns He was called up. He saw some work as well this past week So my I like what I saw from Deirnes Johnson uncle even but there is a scenario where it's cream hunt and then these two guys are The clean up work and they are splitting the clean up work meanwhile the Chargers.
It's Joshua Kelly and Justin Jackson That's it. There's no one else involved There is a high likelihood that the Browns are in very competitive ball games next two weeks with the Colts and the Steelers Therefore, you could see a higher proportion of cream hunt in high-value situations I everything you two are saying makes complete sense. I like it. I don't disagree with any of it that being said I am going hard after Deirnes Johnson, okay, I you know that means obviously I'm also going hard after Joshua Kelly, but unlike the wide receivers where I'm like whatever all you know I'll let the waivers clear or I'll put you know 5% of my budget on one of these guys I am going to roster Joshua Kelly or Deirnes Johnson whatever that takes if that's you know cuz I don't think people are going super hard after these players Not after Deirnes Johnson just from name familiarity if I know it's a trickle down here if cream hunt the growing prop Deirnes Johnson's like a top 10 back.
Yeah, potentially in this offense because of house the fans. He's running it They're the best running team in football. Yeah, I would I would certainly I mean I'm going 25% of my budget plus on deirnes Oh, wow. Oh, well, I guess I want me competing other running backs that I'm looking at I mean like letavious Murray Yeah, I think he just he happened to hit on the touchdown bearings this week Damien Harris we've kind of already discussed him He is you pick him up and you put him on the bench you can stash key some money I wanted to bring up specifically because the opportunity is here I mean he caught a touchdown which was nice and not really expected here from the rookie from Tampa Bay, but do you remember you remember parts and rack?
Yeah, I mean you remember Terry Larry dairy, right? Yeah, you don't matter when you pan the camera to say Terry he would spoke off he on himself or he trip over something or he'd slam his shirt in the door Sure, that's Ronald Jones. Yes, Ronald Jones when you put him on a pedestal when you sat him out in front of where the eyeballs are on him I mean I I I have openly defended like oh his catch percentage is better than Peyton Barber three times He had the most atrocious drops where I can't imagine what Bruce Arrion's is thinking and then if it's not an atrocious drop It's a blitz pickup if it's not a blitz pickup. It's a fumble.
He can't get out of his own way The reason he had a high catch percentages because they didn't throw him the ball outside of designed screens where it's like he knows This is happening now with Brady. He's out running around. They're not sure what's going on and he's getting an unexpected pass You're saying he needs to be saying in his head catch catch catch catch it beforehand I'm saying that's what he's already doing and he needs to stop and just catch the ball and run He's going oh no, I gotta catch out on top of that Terry of the Ronald Jones Donald Drops it Ronald Jones is still the starting money back for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers That's I don't I'm not projecting Vaughn's coming in and taking over but Leonard for net the ankle This is like this has been a long-term problem for Leonard for net That's why he was out. I think he's gonna miss a few weeks here as they try to heal this thing up Shady McCoy the other backup for Tampa Bay.
He has a grade two ankle spring It's Ronald Jones and Kishan Vaughn is now not just a better pass catcher than Ronald Jones He is necessary. I'm telling you this offense if Ronald Jones drops another two passes the way he did this past week Tom Brady's gonna walk over and say don't put him in the game because Brady he doesn't want his completion percentage disintegrated by Ronald He doesn't want to drive to I'd rather have Kishan Vaughn right now on the bench over JK Dobbins if I had to pick between the two Okay, that's right there in the same category though By the way Mike, I just wanted to get a temperature the Joshua Kelly or the Justin Jackson fab spin. What's the percentage of your budget? You're looking it depends on your your need but so I mean to my to my death what Jason's writing something down this Now exposed and you're now sharing it with the entire foot clam.
Look all right. Here's deal We are fantasy football analysts. We do this for a career. We are also fantasy football players first We make notes to ourselves.
We are giving our waiver pickups today. Absolutely. I gotta put my waiver pick up And I made a note I've got the Ernest Johnson written down here my little boogie board and I wrote get him I squared it with a box because I'm making a personal note. I want to get the Ernest Johnson on my team Oh, I love it.
And then I just took a little peek. I didn't know you know, maybe it was something show related Mm-hmm. What's funny? So then you're about Justin Jackson and like to my detriment because the listener league they are listening I mean I will be because I have a very strong running back need on that team and I think I have like it's a 14 Teamer.
I already went hard in the pain after my Davis. So my budget is all I've got something like 30 something fab left I'll probably drop the all of it nearly all of it except for one or two Points or bucks whatever remaining it I'm going after those guys. All right tight end drop candidates from Twitter and IG Are you dropping every angle? Oh?
Yeah, I tend targets. I'm not dropping not with what's out there. I tied in well in the map to this week goodness Christ I'm not doing it Tyler hit me. No, I'm not dropping Tyler.
Hey, you know, I Even with the reality that I think it and I were on before the season that has kind of come true where sure It's not a big be thing. It's big be an ever and ever and but that being said the Titans are so crappy 21st first 21st 31st Yeah, Titans are so crappy that I'm still gonna keep a tight end that has the potential to have first a couple more times this season Hayden Hurst How many targets do you have last night? It wasn't great. Yeah, I think he had quite a few yeah Yeah, I mean target-wise is okay, so it's six targets four for 51.
No, I'm not I didn't yeah You're not dropping him But that man in a match up work out really has zero receptions Julio Jones leaves the game for a half and you're Hayden Hurst You're only coming through with four receptions. It's why I was Hayden hesitant I'm telling because he was never he had never done it yet, right? So no, I wouldn't I wouldn't be dropping any of those players because it's only dropping them for somebody else now if you could drop Hayden Hurst for there's only one side Robert onion. He's on by though.
That's right. There's only one tight end on our list that I would be I'll make a move from those three is a lake jar. Yeah, it is like jar with a pin name. Yes Dalton Schultz from the Dallas Cowboys who it four for 72 and one eight targets.
He came through again Delicious matchups on the docket here for the Dallas Cowboys the Giants Arizona Washington the roll is secure They are going to have to throw the ball 40 to 50 times apparently and Dalton Schultz Just yeah, oh man Mike's internal dialogue with Dalton Schultz is hilarious because like Donald Schultz deserves actual credit as a human being Yes, he does and yet done and yet Mike can only see the shadow of what Blake Darwin could have been in this often Cuz I think we'd all admit Blake driving some more athletic tight end the Dalton Schultz is he's a better offensive weapon Yes, Mike could be just basking in his own glory here making the column Blake Darwin so early in the I Can't really whiffed on it Mike what a failure. I can't be proven right. I can't be proven wrong That's I will say this if Blake's are more healthy. He would be the tight end five or higher right now Okay, I can't argue with it.
I have no way to do that. I have to say these I know I know what if the reality was that Dalton Schultz Is better than we thought and they would actually be splitting time and neither one would be valuable. That's stupid Don't say that okay. What about Jimmy old is Alexander Graham Bell.
That's the newest line from every time we open our show doc in Jimmy Graham's name is in here. He's got a new nickname from Kyle. I love it. I guess don't Schultz.
I'm in I will pick him up I will play him if you can stash if somehow you have a spot and you want to stash Robert It's on in the Harding. I would do it. I'll stash him but that is it you could probably stash him really cheap sure because of the Byweek I don't know I think people will chase it I don't think they'll recognize someone in every league's gonna not recognize that he's on by pick him up You know look for the drops afterwards also speaking of the drops This is a reminder to drop it like it's hot Me when the waivers run look at who was dropped I can flat out promise you that Canyon Drake will be dropped in He'll be dropping some of these just in plenty of leagues and so check your man like Jason Yeah, yeah, that's what they always say Oh, it would never happen and then they go checking and sure enough it's happened So look for you know, it's not just right but whoever's been dropped in and see I will throw one last tight in name out It's a huge name. It's Gigantor.
Yeah, you picking him up. I am fine My question for a moily cox is his name cool My question for you Jason and for us was simply is he is he real is he not just a fabrication of a fairytale? He is he a real option for fantasy players because it's one catch last week think so and here's why last week was terrible first of all you had trepert and activated Jack Doyle was out there and He only ran moily cox only ran seven rounds. So the process says well stay away.
And so I'm fine with that This isn't me telling everybody go out and sign moily cox now We've been telling people that over the last several weeks when he had the opportunity the opportunity is going down That being said he has proven himself to be a valuable weapon to this offense and they haven't needed him They've been in these games where they're just dominating fools And so yeah, he only ran seven routes He ended up with a touchdown and I'm looking at like you know Hayden Hurst Hayden Hurst gonna have way more targets way more routes run and at the end of the day is probably gonna end up with like four for 40 So if I get my like one for 13 and a touchdown, I'm probably out scoring up you are but you could be zero all right We gotta move on defensive options this week the Cardinals take on Joe flacko and the Jets Dallas takes on the Giants The Giants offense is one of the worst things I've had to witness this year Daniel Jones has to choose between throwing a picker handing it to Devonta Freeman That is not a good option in the offense Dallas is such a bad defense But I would still be I would be looking at getting a defensive score in this one as a potential Houston against Jacksonville Houston. Will they rally what do we get the narrative with Romeo Purnell the narrative bump of new coach? No, I'm not interested. Okay, no, I'm not interested Kansas City against the Raiders.
Sure. Absolutely if they're out there Which they seem to be in ESPN leagues at least Kansas City's an option. Let's talk quarterback Bull stream ahead All right Let's talk streaming quarterback options for the upcoming week with the waivers processing tomorrow It was down to a few names for me, but I'll go with one that had a An unexpected by week and that is big bin himself gets the week off to head to Philadelphia take on the Eagles He is he's pretty rostered but with the bye week He was probably dropped in a lot of leagues you have an opportunity to pick him up The onte Johnson with a concussion got the week an extra week off his primary target and big bins at three solid games This is the type of streamer I want as a fantasy player if I have Aaron Rodgers on by and I'm looking for it Somebody that's not gonna sink me could give me his first huge game of the week It's big bin against the Eagles. Yeah big bin is out there He would be the pick up and the play and I will say this I see the roster percentage is being a little bit high But you know, maybe it's anecdotal But I know in the leagues I'm playing and big bin was dropped a lot of places I personally had to drop big bin because he wasn't playing football So yeah, he's out there and if he is he should be picked up played ahead of these other guys But I'm going with Kirk cousins.
I like it set your phasers to at least stun Yeah, because the match up is Seattle is good But more so the reason why is because of Justin Jefferson. Yeah, I mean you have this offense coming into their own a little bit Obviously, he wasn't fantastic this week, but two weeks ago. He's talking about Justin Jefferson No, I'm talking about Kirk cousins Kirk cousins is he's out there. He's available You can get him in just about every league and you know with Justin Jefferson with Adam Thielan You still have two good pass catching Titans and Dalvin It's just likely to have a 40-yard screen as he has a 40-yard carry that's taken to the house I feel like those two sweet Patrick Mahomes touchdown last night the one foot touchdown passes I'm so thankful to Andy Reed for so many things the tap passes But the fact that he chooses to go the pass in front instead of behind and he gets too touched down out of it Tyree Kilmick Oh, Hartman.
It's amazing. It is all right So Kirk cousins I was in consideration for me. I love the pick J. And I'm gonna I'm this I'm just throwing out Daniel Jones as well because I know it's right throwing him out.
Yes, I'm throwing him right out into the garbage I think he could have a monster game. All right, also he is risky business. Yes, he is very high variance I'm throwing out Teddy Bridgewater because the take on Atlanta. We finally saw treat that is we finally saw Teddy Bridgewater come through With a big fantasy day 276 passing yards and two touchdowns that I mean I know he had the rushing score and it was nice to see Teddy Bridgewater finally running around years and years after the injury But with wild about Teddy Bridgewater.
He's touchdown percentage is still sitting at 2.8% He is still underperforming in the touchdown category Thanks DJ Moore compared to the just the league average and the Falcons are like hold up. So so I like Teddy Bridgewater a lot He's probably in terms of available. He's my favorite streamer Jason throughout Daniel Jones and Andy I don't think you like this one, but I'm in with Justin Herbert versus the New Orleans Saints I think that's gonna be a disaster so we can we can disagree on that one. We'll figure out a bet for that I love the strong streaming candidate.
I love the player But when you're right when you're a rookie and you face Sean Payton's team at a team with this kind of pedigree I know that they're hurting on the in the secondary, but I don't trust Herbert to take advantage of it against them So risky business do I want to play Daniel Jones or Justin Herbert? Yeah, I go Daniel Jones in that's the way upside of both of these players I think it Daniel Jones could be the quarterback one. I don't know if Justin Herbert has that in him yet All right I like the bridge water pick on Mike. I think that's a good one Atlanta's defense They look at Arizona and they aspire it has lost six cornerbacks and you might say but you don't play with six cornerbacks And you are correct.
So I had to check the news this morning cuz I Didn't I mean Quinn Quinn is on the list to be shot the door I mean over I mean Quinn He's on the list to be O'Brien. He's on the list to be O'Brien And so is Adam Gays if he loses this next week, although do you keep a guy that gets you Trevor Lawrence? Do you not I don't know the philosophy there? We want to thank pristine auction for sponsoring today's show Brandon I you $77 yesterday on pristine auction calm I'm seven single three went for 66 dollars on pristine auction yesterday use the code ballers at pristine auction calm And you can check out their hundreds of daily auctions get some sweet sports memorabilia if you get a pretty punchers You celebrate these upcoming weeks maybe all right that does it good luck on the waiver wire and we'll be back with you tomorrow I'll have a fantasy retirement ceremony goodbye Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballer podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot Dot com and follow us on Twitter at the F FF ballers Notice how some homes sell faster your neighborhood.
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