What do Gold and Guns have in common?

State of the Second hosts John and Kaylee sit down with Trey, a precious metals expert with more than 30 years in the business who has run three of the largest retail precious metals companies in the country. The conversation connects two things that look unrelated at first: guns and gold. Trey's argument is that both come down to protecting your freedom. Just as the Second Amendment guards your physical security, precious metals guard your financial independence from a system he believes is moving toward centralized digital currency, social credit scores, and a government that has grown too big. Trey walks through why gold sits close to 2,700 dollars an ounce, an all-time high, and points out that the surge is being driven by central banks rather than everyday investors, because the United States has weaponized the dollar. He frames gold as the only asset that is not at the same time someone else's liability. He shares his personal top-six preparedness list, where precious metals come last, after getting right with God, fire, water, food, and guns and ammo. The point is that metals are for barter once the basics are covered, not a first move. Most of the episode is practical. Trey explains how to spot pre-1965 90 percent silver coins by the silver rim against modern clad change, how premiums work across mints, and why a silver American Eagle carries a higher premium than a generic round because the government tests and verifies it. He covers smaller denominations for bartering, including one-gram gold pieces sold in a gold seed wheel, and silver shot from the refineries. He also gets into history, from Roosevelt making gold ownership illegal in 1933 to Nixon taking the country off the standard in the 1970s, and warns that overprinting led to overspending. His closing advice is to know your purpose before you buy, research the company before the coin, and stay with a dealer whose values match yours, because in this space it comes down to relationship. Questions this episode answers Why is gold sitting near an all-time high, and who is actually driving the surge? Gold is trading close to 2,700 dollars an ounce because central banks, not everyday investors, are buying heavily after the United States weaponized the dollar. Trey calls it the only asset that is not at the same time someone else's liability. Where should precious metals fall on a preparedness list, and why are they not the first move? Metals come last on Trey's top-six list, after getting right with God, fire, water, food, and guns and ammo. They are meant for barter once the basics are covered, so they protect you rather than make you wealthy. How can you tell which coins in your change are 90 percent silver? Trey says to look for pre-1965 coins, which carry a solid silver rim, and compare that edge against the layered look of modern clad change. The silver rim is the quickest visual tell. Why does a silver American Eagle cost more than a generic silver round? A silver American Eagle carries a higher premium because the government tests and verifies it, while a generic round does not have that backing. You pay extra for the assurance that the coin is what it claims to be. How do premiums work, and why do smaller coins carry a higher premium than a large bar? Premiums vary by mint and by size, and smaller denominations like one-gram gold pieces or silver shot cost proportionally more than a large bar. Trey points to small pieces, including a gold seed wheel and refinery silver shot, as practical units for bartering. What happened when Roosevelt banned gold ownership in 1933 and Nixon took the country off the gold standard in the 1970s? Roosevelt made private gold ownership illegal in 1933, and Nixon ended the dollar's tie to gold in the 1970s. Trey argues that cutting that link let the government overprint money, which fed overspending. What is the best way to sell precious metals when you need to convert them back? Trey covers how to sell in the closing stretch of the episode, tied to his advice to stay with a dealer whose values match yours. In this space he says it comes down to relationship, since the same trusted dealer who sold to you helps you convert back. How do you pick a trustworthy dealer in an unregulated market? Trey's rule is to know your purpose before you buy, research the company before the coin, and stay with a dealer whose values match yours. He runs a concierge service that connects buyers to vetted wholesalers and retailers rather than a single firm. Chapters 00:09 — Welcome and meet Trey, precious metals expert 01:12 — Rapid fire: guns, gold or silver, barbecue 02:39 — The history of precious metals as money 03:37 — Why add metals, and Trey's top-six list 04:51 — A new gold rush driven by central banks 06:44 — Entry point: a little of something beats a lot of nothing 08:51 — Spotting pre-1965 90 percent silver coins 09:49 — Gold as a hedge and purchasing power 11:35 — Off the gold standard: 1933 and the 1970s 13:13 — Mining versus buying, and how rare gold is 15:21 — From the Soapbox: generational freedom over wealth 20:36 — Premiums, mints, and coins for bartering 29:01 — Silver shot and small denominations 32:00 — Choosing a dealer and aligning with your values 38:44 — Book recommendations and how to sell 40:53 — How to reach Trey and sign off About the guest Trey is a precious metals expert with more than 30 years in the space. He has run three of the largest retail precious metals companies in the nation, has worked on the wholesale side, and has done a startup in the industry. He comes from three generations of union pipe fitters. He tore up his ankle in Mogadishu before leaving the medical field [VERIFY]. He lives on a small four-acre farm in southeast Texas and is a patriot member of Gun Owners of America. He is not affiliated with a single company and offers a concierge service, staying connected to the top wholesalers and retailers in the country to match buyers with the right firm. Key quotes "It's the only asset that's not simultaneously somebody else's liability." — Trey "a little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing" — Trey "It takes 10 tons of raw ore to produce 1 ounce of gold." — Trey "I would much rather be free than I would be wealthy." — Trey "We don't need to rewrite it, we just need to reread it." — Trey "before you buy the coin, buy the book" — Trey "this isn't to get wealthy, right? This is for protection." — Trey