What Leaders Get Wrong About External Pushback w/ Jeff Wetherhold

Most leaders walk into high-stakes external conversations thinking the goal is to win the argument. It’s not. And if that’s your approach, you’re already losing. In this episode, I sit down with Jeff Wetherhold — a behavioral science researcher, change management expert, and faculty member with the Institute for Healthcare Improvement — to break down what’s actually happening when leaders face pushback from external audiences. Jeff holds a master’s in education from Harvard University and brings over twenty years of experience training leaders to navigate the high-pressure conversations that determine whether trust is built or broken. His approach is grounded in motivational interviewing, adapted specifically for the moments that matter most — media interviews, investor conversations, client engagements, and public-facing leadership. Let’s keep it real: the stakes for leaders communicating outside their organizations have never been higher. And most of them are not prepared. Not because they don’t know their product or their company — but because they don’t know how to listen, how to respond to skepticism without amplifying it, and how to help someone talk themselves into believing what they’re saying is worth listening to. Let’s fix that. What you’ll learn in this episode: Why “resistance” is the wrong word — and what leaders should be listening for instead when external audiences push back The motivational interviewing framework that teaches leaders to amplify change talk and neutralize skepticism without getting defensive Why regurgitating company talking points is the fastest way to lose a skeptic — and what to do instead How storytelling and a distinct point of view are the most underused tools a leader has in any external-facing moment Resources Mentioned: Jeff’s website: https://jeffwetherhold.com Connect with Jeff on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffweatherhold Your Next Steps: Access the white paper: External Influence: The Currency Every Leader Must Carry. https://externalinfluence.us Follow Shayna on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaynarattler/ Visit our website: https://executivesignalsgroup.com