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EPISODE · Jul 26, 2026 · 18 MIN

What we get wrong about conspiracy theorists and narcissists (with Jon Ronson)

from Better Than Yesterday with Osher Günsberg · host Osher Günsberg

Why are we so fascinated by the people on the absolute fringes of society? When someone adopts a worldview that seems completely detached from consensus reality, what is the sequence of thoughts and experiences that led them there? In this episode, I’m joined by the legendary journalist, author, and documentary maker Jon Ronson. For twenty-five years, Jon has been doing the hard work of looking directly at human behaviour that most of us would prefer to avoid.  Jon’s career has been defined by his ability to humanise the people we’ve been taught to fear or dismiss. Taken from the full-length episode, here’s a few tasty morsels to chew on today including:  Why we often reward psychopathic traits by making those people our CEOs and political leaders. What happens when extreme personalities feed off each other, and how do they pull us into their orbit. How ordinary people drift into ideological bubbles, and what it takes to understand the urge to belong to a tribe. This is a fascinating, thoughtful, and very funny chat with one of the greats. LINKS  Harrison's book 'Transform Your Pain into Purpose' is out now Follow Harrison on Instagram Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube Watch full stories recorded live at  Story Club on YouTube Get tickets for our next Story Club show Get Osher's latest books  here Send a pic of what you're looking at to [email protected]  LIKE THIS EPISODE? CHECK THESE OUT... 'Comfort Is Holding You Back': Secrets to Growth and Confidence with Ant Williams How to Communicate Better in Every Conversation with Jefferson Fisher The Reality of Living In The Outback: Brendan Cullen's Journey from Pain to Purpose See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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