When Australia had the world's first euthanasia laws, plus the huge potential of tiny gardens

30 years ago today, the Northern Territory briefly became the first place in the world where eligible patients could access voluntary euthanasia, until the laws were scuttled at the federal level. Former Chief Minister Marshall Perron reflects on the political fight. Plus, with a third of the world's fertilisers held up in the Strait of Hormuz, a new book reminds us of a time when cities where far more self-sufficient, growing their own food in tiny gardens. Guests: Marshall Perron, former Chief Minister of the Northern Territory (1988-1995)Kate Brown, author of Tiny gardens everywhere, a history of urban resilience