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EPISODE · Jun 29, 2025 · 28 MIN

When Shame Hits Different (And WhatsApp Groups Become Weapons)

from The Not So Breakfast Show · host Sacha and Ish

Send us Fan MailEpisode 218: When Shame Hits Different (And WhatsApp Groups Become Weapons)Sacha returns from Fiji with a tan and a trauma—being unceremoniously booted from a Harvard WhatsApp group with 160 people, then discovering they had a whole discussion about her "eligibility" while she was locked out. What starts as a petty digital drama becomes a masterclass in understanding the difference between guilt and shame and why some wounds hit us harder than others.Main TopicsHow Sacha went from Harvard alumna to "Category 6" (yes, her own special category) in a group chat cleanup gone wrong, triggering an unexpectedly visceral shame responseThe crucial difference between feeling bad about what you've done (guilt) versus feeling bad about who you are (shame), and why shame hits so much harder, because there's no clear path to redemptionThe Three Base Human Fears. Why being excluded tapped into Sacha's deepest fear of insignificance, making her feel "very small" and want to disappear entirelyHow shame triggers our ugliest behaviours—arguing, attacking, and trying to make ourselves smaller instead of addressing the real wound underneathKey InsightsHow you deliver a decision can be more damaging than the decision itselfWhen we're hurt, we invent stories to explain what happened, and they're usually wrongThe "writing to the judge" principle: always communicate as if a neutral third party will read it laterPS: The episode opens with Ish's "birthday tribute" to Sacha—a photo of her with her hands down her pants (tucking in her shirt) set to U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." Sacha's mum was genuinely concerned about her professional reputation. Meanwhile, Ish recommends "Ballerina" (the John Wick spin-off with Ana de Armas) while admitting he can't pronounce the lead actress's name properly.Visit our website: notsobreakfastshow.comIf you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

Send us Fan Mail Episode 218: When Shame Hits Different (And WhatsApp Groups Become Weapons)Sacha returns from Fiji with a tan and a trauma—being unceremoniously booted from a Harvard WhatsApp group with 160 people, then discovering they had a whole discussion about her "eligibility" while she was locked out. What starts as a petty digital drama becomes a masterclass in understanding the difference between guilt and shame and why some wounds hit us harder than others. Main Topics How Sacha we...

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