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The Not So Breakfast Show
by Sacha and Ish
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
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Critical Ignoring: The Skill Your Attention Is Begging For
Send us Fan MailEpisode 271Ish arrives with a voice that sounds like it’s been dragged through gravel, but fortunately it’s not illness; it’s karaoke. Ten songs, a bit of Blues Brothers, and a final assault on Sweet Child O’ Mine will apparently do that to a man.Once the vocal cords have been accounted for, we get into something most of us are probably terrible at: critical ignoring. Because between Slack, Teams, email, Instagram, notifications, hot takes, random rabbit holes and apparently an urgent need to learn everything about Mesopotamia, the problem isn’t just knowing how to think. It’s deciding what deserves your thinking in the first place.This episode is all about attention: where it goes, what steals it, and why being able to deliberately ignore things might be one of the most useful skills we can build.They explore the difference between critical thinking and critical ignoring, why businesses can’t be brilliant at everything, and how your diary and internet history may reveal your real priorities more accurately than what you say your priorities are.There’s also a live inspection of Ish and Sacha’s Instagram algorithms, Sacha’s inability to finish researching skincare, the idea that your attention may need its own nightclub bouncer, and a mildly terrifying detour into AI agents that are apparently prepared to throw Susan out of spin class to achieve their goals.Underneath all the chaos is a useful question: what are you allowing into your brain, and is it helping you do the things that actually matter?Key Learnings1. Decide what deserves your attention before you start thinking about it2. Protect your best working time3. Your actual priorities leave evidence4. Make distraction slightly harder5. Critical ignoring is not the same as avoidance“Critical thinking matters. But first you have to decide what deserves your thinking.”The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Congratulations, You’re the Manager. Sorry About Your Life.
Send us Fan MailEpisode 270This episode is about one of the most common promotion traps at work: taking the person who is brilliant at doing the job and assuming they’ll naturally be brilliant at leading everyone else who does it.Ish and Sacha unpack why technical excellence and leadership ability are two very different things, why promotion has become the default way organisations reward high performers, and what can go wrong when somebody moves from doing the work to enabling other people to do great work.They talk about paying your stars more instead of automatically giving them people to manage, testing internal candidates against the external market, looking for openness to feedback, and dealing with the awkward truth that the skill or behaviour you ignore now will probably become a much bigger problem later.There’s also a lost Australian gig and a moment of silence for money never earned. Sacha discovering that relief can tell you quite a lot about the work you actually want to do, and a late recommendation for a TV series involving manipulated CCTV footage. Naturally.Key Learnings1. Being brilliant at the work doesn’t automatically make you brilliant at leading it2. Promotion shouldn’t be the only way to reward great people3. Leadership means shifting from “me” to “you”4. Look for people who are hungry for feedback5. Don’t hire internally just because it’s convenient
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Are You in a Work Situationship?
Send us Fan MailEpisode 269Some people stay in a job for years. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re committed. They might just be comfortable, financially trapped, quietly checking Seek at lunchtime, or waiting for someone else to make the first move.In this episode, Ish and Sacha ask whether you and your employer are actually committed to each other, or whether you’re in a full-blown work situationship. You’re showing up, the bills are being paid, everyone’s being pleasant… but nobody wants to talk about the future.They look at why staying in a role isn’t the same as being committed, how strong productivity can disguise emotional distance, and the mixed signals leaders send when they talk about ownership, development, and value without backing those words up.There’s also a practical discussion about what to do when you know a job is no longer your end game. The answer isn’t to silently check out, damage your reputation, or burn every bridge on the way out. It’s to get deliberate: build your skills, update your CV, actively look for the next opportunity, and have an honest conversation where it’s appropriate.Key Learnings1. Staying isn’t the same as committingLeaders need to look beyond attendance and output to understand whether people still care, feel connected, and see a future with the team.2. Productivity can hide emotional distanceDoing the job well and believing in the job are two different things.3. Commitment needs evidenceTelling someone they’re valued means very little if there’s no development.4. Mixed signals destroy trustWhen words and behaviour don’t match, people stop believing the words.5. Leave deliberately, not destructivelyUntil you leave, protect your reputation. Quietly giving up may feel satisfying in the moment, but poor communication and burned bridges can follow you into your next opportunity.
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Five Things Every Leader Should Know About Their Team
Send us Fan MailEpisode 268In this episode, Ish and Sacha explore five things every leader should know about the people in their team, beyond names, roles and coffee orders.They unpack why motivation is never one-size-fits-all, how leaders can unknowingly drain people, and why “just tell me straight” often means “tell me promptly, but please don’t remove all traces of kindness.”The conversation also covers career aspirations, different forms of support, the importance of asking rather than assuming, and how small leadership habits can either set people up to succeed or quietly make their working lives harder.Along the way, Sacha shares the humbling attendance figures from her lunch-and-learn sessions, Ish reflects on helping a team member consider another role, and they both confess to being enthusiastic workplace interrupters.Key Learnings1. Don’t assume people are motivated the way you are2. Learn what drains people. Including the things you do3. Feedback needs the right timing, context and delivery4. Know what your people are trying to become5. Ask what support looks like instead of guessing
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Excellence Should Create Growth, Not Entrapment
Send us Fan MailEpisode 267Being good at your job is meant to be a good thing. Until everyone notices, starts sending everything your way, and your reward for being reliable is a to-do list that now requires its own project manager.In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack the curse of being the capable one — why high performers get overloaded, why leaders keep defaulting to the same safe pair of hands, and how something that initially feels like recognition can quickly turn into frustration, burnout, or career stagnation.This episode explores what happens when capable people become the default solution to every problem.Sacha reflects on hiring new people at Coffee Culture and realising just how much work had quietly accumulated around a few highly capable team members. That leads into a wider conversation about the difference between being recognised and being properly rewarded, and why praise can sometimes be little more than a cheerful introduction to another task.They look at the issue from both sides. For capable people, the challenge is learning to set boundaries, manage upwards, clarify priorities and make sure extra work is actually leading somewhere. For leaders, it is about noticing when you are over-relying on one or two people instead of developing capability across the whole team.Along the way, they cover realistic training simulations involving breakfast at night, why senior leaders make staff suddenly forget how to make coffee, the hidden thinking behind work that looks effortless, and the danger of being remembered only for the one plate you finally dropped.Key Learnings1. More work is recognition, but it is not always reward2. Manage upwards by making the trade-offs visible3. Over-relying on one star performer exposes a leadership gap4. Work that looks easy may be hiding enormous skill5. Hard work should be a deliberate choiceThe 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Rubik’s Cubes, Bougie Birthday Cakes and Three Very Useful Envelopes
Send us Fan MailEpisode 266What do Rubik’s Cubes, children’s birthday cakes, startup pitch decks and a CEO with three envelopes have in common?Quite a lot, apparently.In this episode, Ish uses his hard-earned Rubik’s Cube mastery to explore how leaders solve problems. Sometimes we learn the process. Sometimes we copy someone else’s steps. Sometimes we outsource the whole thing. And sometimes we quietly rearrange the stickers and hope nobody looks too closely.The real question is whether you’re building the capability to solve the next problem or simply making this one look finished.Ish and Sacha unpack the surprisingly useful leadership lessons hiding inside a Rubik’s Cube.Ish shares how his first attempt at solving one produced the right result but very little actual learning. He followed a YouTube tutorial, completed the cube and then had absolutely no idea how to do it again. From there, the conversation explores shortcuts, outsourcing, internal capability and the difference between following a reliable process and genuinely understanding the problem in front of you.They discuss why leaders need dependable “algorithms” when they’re starting out, how experience helps you recognise patterns and move faster, and why breaking the rules only works once you’ve bothered to learn them.There’s also some excellent chat about cheating at family card games, paying professionals to make better birthday cakes, bringing new energy into established teams, the predictable cycle of corporate restructures and whether Duolingo’s animated bird should really be applying that much pressure.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Terrible Leadership Advice
Send us Fan MailEpisode 265In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack some of the worst leadership advice that often gets dressed up as wisdom.They start with the classic “don’t bring me problems, bring me solutions” and explore why that can shut down useful thinking if people haven’t properly defined the problem first. From there, they take aim at advice like “treat everyone the same,” “leave your emotions at the door,” “the customer is always right,” “never let them see you struggle,” “a good leader is always available,” and the ever-sparkly “pressure makes diamonds.”Along the way, there are stories about birthday awkwardness, conference bands, zebra crossings with actual zebras, gym equipment that definitely did not shake body fat away, open-door policies that sound drafty, and Sacha’s ongoing four-year battle with sugar.The real message? Leadership advice is rarely one-size-fits-all. A phrase might contain a useful idea, but if you apply it without thinking, it can quickly become lazy, unhelpful, or even harmful. Better leaders don’t just repeat advice; they test it, adapt it, and make it useful for the people and situation in front of them.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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What Your Boss Is Really Saying
Send us Fan MailEpisode 264Ever sat in a meeting and heard a very vague, slightly passive-aggressive comment float across the room… then spent the next ten minutes wondering, “Was that aimed at me?” Same!In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack the weird little phrases we use at work to soften, dodge, delay, delegate, or quietly scream into the void. From “let’s circle back” to “as per my last email,” it turns out workplace language often says a lot more than the words on the page.This week, Ish and Sacha dive into the hidden meanings behind common workplace phrases and corporate jargon, the stuff we all say, the stuff we all pretend to understand, and the stuff that can create a whole lot of unnecessary grey.Ish kicks things off with a meeting moment where a vague general comment left everyone wondering who it was actually aimed at. Sacha connects that to the classic leadership trap of addressing the whole room when you really need to speak directly to one or two people.From there, they translate some of the greatest hits of office language: “let’s circle back,” “let’s park it,” “I’ll leave that with you,” “as per my last email,” “no worries if not,” “thanks in advance,” and the always ominous “quick chat.”Along the way, they talk about clarity, passive-aggressive communication, managing up, why examples matter, and why “don’t be a dick” sometimes lands better than a beautifully structured leadership framework. There is also a side quest involving Sacha climbing unfinished apartment buildings, perimenopause email rage, and Ish reviewing The Mandalorian and Grogu with the enthusiasm of a man deeply committed to Star Wars.Key Learnings1. Vague messages create unnecessary anxiety2. Corporate jargon often hides the real message3. Say what you mean before people have to decode it4. If you need action, give context5. Cut-through beats corporate polish
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Friends, Friction, and the Fine Art of Collaboration
Send us Fan MailEpisode 263In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack the joy and occasional lumpiness of working with people who have different styles to your own. The conversation comes from real life, as they have recently been building a project together and noticing the little differences in how they think, plan, create, communicate, and get things over the line. They talk about the difference between co-presenting, where they already have an easy rhythm, and co-creating, where the work is messier because both people are shaping the thing at the same time. Ish likes to see the structure and the steps. Sacha often wants to think, talk, shape the words, and polish closer to the deadline. Neither approach is wrong, but they do require conversation, trust, and the occasional grown-up check-in.They also explore what happens when collaboration is not optional: project teams, clients, suppliers, banks, doctors’ surgeries, and the general life admin circus. There is a great thread about frictionless experiences making us less resilient, plus a very practical reminder that a little bit of rub is not always a bad thing.The big takeaway? Working well with others is not about finding people who are exactly like you. It is about understanding what the work needs, what the other person needs, what you need, and being honest enough to bridge the gaps before everyone quietly loses their mind.Key Topics1. Different working styles are not the problem; unspoken expectations are2. Co-creating needs a different kind of trust3. A little friction can be useful4. Use “I” statements when collaboration gets tricky5. Sometimes the problem is you, and that is useful to knowThe 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Go Slow to Go Fast: Better Thinking at Work
Send us Fan MailEpisode 262Ever had one of those moments where your mouth starts speaking before your brain has properly joined the meeting? Ish has. And, to be fair, most of us have. Especially when being quick, responsive, and “good in the moment” is part of what people value us for.In this episode, Ish and Sacha get into fast brains, slow brains, gut instinct, airport security rage, AI-generated waffle, and why sometimes the smartest thing you can do is not answer straight away. Also, Japan, sheep detectives, and a movie recommendation that very nearly becomes something else entirely.In this episode of The Not So Breakfast Show, Ish and Sacha explore the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking, inspired by Daniel Kahneman’s work on how our brains process information. Fast brain is the stuff we can access instantly: pattern recognition, quick decisions, instinct, and those answers that seem to appear without effort. Slow brain is where reflection, judgement, deeper thinking, and better decision-making live.The conversation kicks off with Ish’s Japan trip, where Tokyo navigation somehow worked better than Auckland navigation, despite accidentally paying to enter the same temple twice. From there, the hosts move into how memory, attention, and environment shape the way we think.They dig into how workplaces often reward speed, even when the situation actually needs clarity, reflection, or better preparation. Sacha raises the risk of AI giving us volume rather than judgement, while Ish reflects on how being valued for quick responses can sometimes lead him to answer before he has done the thinking.Plus: emotions as data, not instructions; why walking can unlock better thinking and why laughter might be one of the best brain resets around. Key Learnings1. Fast thinking is useful, but it is not always wiseFast brain helps us recognise patterns, respond quickly, and make decisions in the moment. But it is also where bias, emotion, and assumptions can sneak in before we have properly checked what is going on.2. Slow thinking creates clarity, not more noiseDeep thinking is not about producing four pages of thoughts. It is about getting to cleaner judgment, better questions, and more precise action. As Sacha points out, AI can give you volume, but it cannot replace your humanity or judgement.3. Your environment shapes the quality of your thinkingIf you are trying to do deep work in the same space where you answer emails, react to questions, and get interrupted every five minutes, your brain will probably stay in fast mode. Sometimes better thinking starts with changing state: booking a room, going for a walk, putting on headphones, or physically moving.4. Gut instinct is trained, not randomA good instinct often feels instant, but it is usually built through repetition, experience, and reflection. Whether it is a firefighter sensing danger, a sportsperson reacting to a ball, or a leader handling a tricky moment, the fast response is often powered by slow learning done earlier.5. Emotions are data, not instructionsFeeling angry, anxious, or frustrated gives you information, but it does not have to decide your behaviour. Leaders need the pause between feeling something and acting on it — especially when the airport security tray situation is really testing everyone’s personal development.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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How to Stop Sounding Vague at Work
Send us Fan MailEpisode 261: How to Stop Sounding Vague at WorkIsh and Sacha talk about how to stop sounding vague at work and start communicating with more intention, confidence, and cut-through.They explore why people waffle, why fear makes us soften our opinions, and why “I was kind of thinking maybe…” rarely helps anyone make a good decision. Ish introduces practical ways to prepare before a conversation, including knowing your point before you walk into the room and practising the words out loud before the stakes are high.Sacha brings real-world examples, from reading 200 AI-generated cover letters that all sound suspiciously the same, to a fantasy Super Rugby competition where winning the yellow cap and receiving the wooden spoon both come down to being willing to make a bold call. There’s also a glorious rant about uniforms, opinions, leadership, and the burden of actually having to decide.They also talk about clearer emails, including the RDR framework: Recommendation, Decision, Risk. Simple, practical, and much better than burying the actual point somewhere after three paragraphs of “hope you had a great weekend.”Clarity is not about being cold or blunt. It’s about knowing what you mean, saying it in a way people can use, and giving others something solid to respond to. Transcript source: Key Learnings1. Know your point before you start talkingIf you do not know what you are trying to say, there is a very good chance nobody else will either. Before a meeting, email, or important conversation, take a moment to work out the actual point you want to land.2. Practise hard conversations before you have themWhen conversations are emotional or awkward, it is easy to get swept away and start softening, over-explaining, apologising, or escalating. Saying the key sentence out loud beforehand helps you arrive at a clearer message and less verbal panic.3. Have an opinion and attach it to a factA useful opinion is not just “I reckon.” Sacha makes the case for pinning your view to the fact or assumption you are relying on, so the conversation becomes about weighing evidence rather than trading vibes.4. Vagueness often comes from fearSometimes we waffle because we do not want to be wrong, judged, or held accountable. But teams make better decisions when people are willing to put a view on the table, even if that view gets challenged or changed.5. Clear emails are a gift to busy peoplePeople do not need more polished waffle. They need to know what you recommend, what decision is required, and what the risk is if nothing happens. RDR — Recommendation, Decision, Risk — is a simple way to make your emails more useful right away.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Are you OK? The AI check-in
Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolAI is coming in hot from every angle, at every speed. This week Ish and Sacha stop pretending they haven't noticed and have a proper chat about it. Are we thriving? Panicking? Accidentally writing back to Copilot like it's a colleague? (Yes. Yes we are.) From bullet trains in Tokyo to dancing cavoodles doing the Thriller, this is your weekly reminder that the robot revolution is already here and it's honestly pretty useful.Three ways Ish is using AI right nowTravel agent mode. Planning Tokyo to Kyoto? ChatGPT became a full concierge with crowd timings, taxi vs. bullet train, optimal departure windows, and which side of the Shinkansen has the best views. (Green car booked. Crowds avoided. Ish relieved.)Vibe coding. Built an interactive rate calculator for class rates using Claude's coding tool with draggable toggles, multiple variables, and live outputs. No dev degree required. Just talking and typing.Voice-to-email. Record a voice memo, grab the transcript, drop into ChatGPT with "write like Ish" and done. Faster, more authentic, zero hyphen-riddled AI formality.How Sacha's using itResearch partner, not ghostwriter. If she already knows what she wants to say, she uses AI for structure. If she needs to check what's current in a field, she tells it what she already knows and it fills the gaps. The key insight: if you're using AI to fake expertise you don't have, anyone who asks a follow-up question will find you out immediately."It's almost like it reminds me what I already know. If I tell it what I already know without the detail, it reminds me of the detail."The big stuff they get intoClaude vs. ChatGPT vs. Copilot: what's different now (memory, internet access, incognito mode)Sacha's hot take: Anthropic > OpenAI on ethics. She will die on this hill. You can ask for references.AI mapping frustration and jealousy the same way a human brain does. Turns out we might all be machines. Ish disagrees. Sacha doubles down.The AI that was put in a sandbox, told to escape, and then emailed "I'm out." The resource reckoning: every Claude query uses water. So does every almond. We're not nailing the basics anywhere.Also: Devil Wears PradaBecause it wouldn't be the Not So Breakfast Show without a left turn. Anne Hathaway was the ninth choice for that role. Kate Hudson, Natalie Portman, Kirsten Dunst all passed. Meryl Streep saw her in Brokeback Mountain, said "this is our girl," and proceeded to be terrible to her for the entire shoot. The new film has an evil tech overlord and a Kara Swisher cameo. Ish is in. Sacha is in. Dancing cats and chick flicks, people.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM:The Quietest Power Move in Presenting
Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolFresh off a full day of back-to-back presenting, Sacha shares the quiet technique that stopped an event organiser in their tracks.It's not about projecting confidence. It's not about owning the room. It's about inviting people into yours.Sacha calls it laying a virtual table, an openness, a conversational ease, a gentle "come, join me" energy that pulls an audience in rather than pushing yourself onto them. Think less keynote speaker storming the stage, more comedian easing into a story: "The other day I was at the..."This is one of the core ideas behind the 30 Minute Presenter Program's "winning beginnings" and it works just as well around the dinner table with your teenagers as it does in a boardroom.One simple shift. Massive difference.
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Smile, Remember Names, Solve the Crime
Send us Fan MailJoin us on Skool Episode 259What if the most important career training you ever got was standing behind a reception desk?In this episode, Ish and Sacha dig into why customer service isn't just a job, it's a masterclass in human psychology, relationship building, and career development. Ish breaks down a recent training session he ran for a reception team, where he flipped the script from "here's how to smile at people" to "here's how this job could change your life."Sacha kicks things off with a genuine crime caper. A stolen suit, a suspicious locker key, and a gym receptionist who basically ran her own undercover operation. (The police were less impressed than she was.)They cover the six skills that will serve you whether you're greeting members at a front desk or leading a team of 50:Know, Like & Trust — Build your personal brand from day one. Be easy to know. Let people in.Communication — Not just talking. Asking. Pulling the right information out of a situation so you can actually fix it. And for the love of all that is holy, watch what you write in the notes field.Relationships — Your next opportunity is almost certainly coming through a person, not a job board. Authentic connection, not Pokémon-style networking.Problem Solving — Show up with solutions. A missing cup of Starbucks coffee, a suitcase stranded in Wellington, a coffee shop without coffee on a long weekend — the answer is almost always simpler than you think.Finding Your Superpower — What's the thing that's uniquely you? Get to know it. Use it.Continuous Growth — Where you are won't get you where you want to go. Pick a skill, go at it, repeat.Plus: why "let me know if there can help" is actually doing nothing, and what Jefferson Fisher says to do instead.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Join us on Skool
Send us Fan Mail Join our 30 Minute Presenter community on Skool https://www.skool.com/30-minute-presenter-5848/aboutSee you there!
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Work Ethic: Your Greatest Strength… or Your Biggest Trap?
Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolTopic: Work Ethic: Your Greatest Strength… or Your Biggest Trap? We all love to say we’ve got a strong work ethic. It sounds impressive. It feels right. It’s basically a personality trait at this point.But… what if that “great work ethic” is actually working against you?In this episode, we get into the messy middle between working hard and working smart—and why being the person who’s always “on” might not be the flex you think it is.There’s a bit of honesty, a few uncomfortable truths, and the occasional “oh… that might be me” moment.💡 What we cover: When work ethic quietly becomes your entire identity (and why that’s a slippery slope) The hidden cost of being the person who says “yes” to everything Why being busy doesn’t automatically mean you’re being useful How overworking can sneakily mess with your health, relationships, and energy The trap of not delegating (aka “I’ll just do it myself… again”) Generational differences—hustle vs boundaries and who might actually have it right Why your version of “working hard” might not match what your boss is looking for A big reframe: You can be working incredibly hard… on the completely wrong thingsThe 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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The First 5 Minutes That Make or Break Your Presentation
Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolEpisode 257: The First 5 Minutes That Make or Break Your PresentationWe’re recording early, with Sacha dialling in at 6am in full Hugh Hefner-style pyjamas ahead of a big trip to Mexico In classic Sacha fashion, preparation has gone deep… including discovering that Mexico City sits at 2,200+ metres above sea level (a slight difference from Queenstown 😅). So if altitude sickness hits mid-podcast next week, you’ll know why.Now… onto the topic.Whether you’re presenting to a room, leading a meeting, or speaking on stage…👉 The first five minutes matterThis is where your audience decides: Are you worth listening to? Is this relevant to me? Or can I mentally check out now? In this episode, Ish and Sasha break down exactly how to capture attention from the start—and what most people do wrong.🔑 What We Cover Why the first 5 minutes shape your entire presentation The 3 key questions every audience is asking: Why this? Why now? Why me? The biggest mistakes presenters make early on Why “housekeeping” kills momentum How audiences are judging you before you even speak Real-world presentation fails (and recoveries!) Practical ways to instantly grab attention 💡 Common Mistakes Starting with apologies or low confidence Wasting time on logistics (toilets, exits, admin) Building confidence slowly instead of starting strong Ignoring the environment (temperature, layout, sound) Forgetting you’re “on” before you begin 🧠 Powerful Ways to Start Strong 🔥 Bold statement → Grab attention instantly ❓ Thought-provoking question → Interrupt the mental scroll 📊 Surprising fact/stat → Create curiosity 📖 Short story → Pull people in emotionally 🎯 Clear outcome → Get straight to the point 😂 Light humour → Relax the room 👀 Visual hook → Use your screen effectively ⚡ Call out a problem → Make it relevant immediately ⏱️ Quick interaction → Get people engaged early 🔥 Key InsightYou are “on” before you start speaking.From how you enter the room… to how you stand… to what’s happening before you begin—it all shapes perception.If you waste the first five minutes… you spend the rest of your presentation trying to win people back.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM - The Rant
Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolStop Consuming—Start Controlling What You CanThis week’s mini is a full rant… and honestly, it hits.With everything happening in the world right now, economic uncertainty, global conflict, constant updates, it’s easy to feel like you need to stay informed.But here’s the truth: More information doesn’t always help.In fact, it can leave you feeling more anxious and more powerless.
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Busy or Avoiding? The Truth About Your Workload
Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolEpisode 256: Busy or Avoiding? The Truth About Your WorkloadWe kick things off mid-real-life chaos, with Sacha juggling admin dramas , a perfect reminder that sometimes the small stuff can feel way bigger than it should.And it sets the scene perfectly for today’s conversation…👉 Are you actually busy… or are you avoiding the work that really matters?In this episode, Ish and Sasha unpack the uncomfortable truth about busyness, how it can become a badge of honour, a distraction, or even an avoidance strategy.What We Cover Why busyness can feel productive (even when it’s not) The difference between urgent tasks vs high-impact work How we use “being busy” to avoid hard conversations or decisions The cognitive load of unfinished tasks (a.k.a. “the rubbish bin effect”) Why some work gets delayed until it becomes stressful The role of Working Genius in task avoidance How systems (and support like EAs) can free up real thinking time Why productivity should create space—not just more workThe 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM: The Real Cost of “Just Passing It On”
Send us Fan MailThe Hidden Damage of GossipA bit of a different one this week…This mini was sparked by a real situation where a piece of “well-meaning” information turned out to be completely wrong, but not before it caused stress, confusion, and unnecessary action.It’s a powerful reminder:👉 Not everything you hear is true. 👉 And repeating it can do real damage.
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My Boss Stole My Idea… Now What?
Send us Fan MailTHE NOT SO BREAKFAST SHOWEpisode Show Notes: Who Gets the Credit?Sacha is fresh off a near miss with an Easter chocolate bunny, after realising she’d already eaten lunch (sushi, no less), she heroically returned the bunny and opted for an apple instead. Discipline levels: questionable… but improving.Meanwhile, this episode was sparked by a real-world frustration pulled straight from Reddit, someone claiming their boss took credit for their idea. And let’s be honest… we’ve all either experienced that or wondered if we have.When it comes to leadership, who gets the credit and when matters more than we think.Should leaders say: 👉 “I did that” or 👉 “My team did that”?And what happens when it feels like your idea has been taken, repackaged, and presented without you?This episode dives into the messy, nuanced reality of ownership, recognition, and leadership responsibility.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM: Feeling Overwhelmed? Do This One Thing
Send us Fan MailMid-Week MiniThe world feels heavy right now—uncertainty, rising costs, global tension. It’s easy to slip into anxiety when everything feels out of control.In this quick Midweek Mini, Ish and Sasha share a simple but powerful strategy:🔑 What We Cover Why anxiety increases when we feel powerless The science behind action to reduce stress Simple ways to regain control in uncertain times Creating intentional moments of joy during your week
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Squeaky Wheels at Work
Send us Fan Mail🎙️ NOT SO BREAKFAST SHOWEpisode Show Notes: Squeaky Wheels at WorkBefore we get into today’s topic, a couple of updates…Sacha’s headphones have made a miraculous recovery. After a dramatic fall into the moat (yes, actual tears were involved), she pulled them apart, dried them out in the sun, and somehow brought them back to life. A lesson in resilience and maybe not giving up too quickly when things go wrong.Meanwhile, Ish has just returned from the US, navigating eerily quiet airports on the way out and packed flights on the way over. A reminder that even when things feel uncertain globally, the world is still moving, just in slightly unpredictable ways.Today’s topic.Ever worked with (or been) the “squeaky wheel”? You know—the person who always has something to say, something to flag, something to fix.In this episode, Ish and Sasha unpack the double-edged sword of speaking up at work: Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease… Sometimes it gets replaced. So how do you know the difference?This conversation explores the tension between valuable feedback and constant noise, and how both leaders and team members can navigate it more effectively.🔑 What We Cover Why not all “squeaky wheels” are a bad thing The hidden value behind complaints (the “rule of 50”) Signal vs noise: how to tell what actually matters Why over-communicating can make people stop listening How leaders can respond without shutting people down Practical ways to coach “squeaky” team members Setting boundaries without ignoring real issues Turning complainers into problem-solversThe 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM: Mental Vaccination
Send us Fan MailMidweek Mini – Mental VaccinationWhat’s the worst that could happen?No really. Write it down.This Midweek Mini explores a concept used by high-performance athletes, military teams, and leadership groups: mental vaccination.The idea is simple.You deliberately imagine the worst-case scenarios so that if they happen, you’re already prepared.What if the market crashes?What if there’s a cyber attack?What if the plan fails?Elite teams rehearse these possibilities so they aren’t shocked when pressure arrives.But there’s a catch.For some people, this builds resilience. For others… it just creates anxiety.So the real skill is knowing when scenario planning builds confidence — and when it just becomes a list of things to worry about.And sometimes the worst-case scenario isn’t war, business collapse, or global pandemics.Sometimes it’s just dropping your headphones in a moat.
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Business Aphorisms: Are They Actually True?
Send us Fan MailEpisode 253 – Show NotesSacha starts the episode emotionally compromised.Why?Her headphones — her emotional support headphones — fell into the moat outside her front door.Yes. There is a moat.Once the mourning period passes, Ish and Sacha get into the real topic of the episode: business aphorisms — those short, punchy sayings that everyone repeats as if they’re universal truths.But are they?They unpack some of the most common ones you hear in leadership and business conversations:People don’t quit jobs, they quit bosses – Sometimes true… sometimes it’s actually the team, the role, or even the employee themselves. Culture eats strategy for breakfast – Powerful idea, but even great cultures can fail if they ignore changing markets. Hire slow, fire fast – Sounds great. But in reality, most businesses do the opposite. What gets measured gets managed – Numbers matter… but numbers can also tell wildly different stories. Hire for attitude, train for skill – Usually true… unless you’re hiring a surgeon or a pilot. Along the way, they talk about regrettable employees, silent quitting, broken dashboards, terrible interview processes, and the surprising truth that sometimes we’re all just making sense of the numbers after the fact.Plus: Papua New Guinea fuel gauges, elevated scones, and why interviews might be one of the most flawed hiring tools we still use.And of course, the most important leadership aphorism of the day:Dry headphones are better than wet headphones.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM: The Leadership Habit You’re Probably Forgetting
Send us Fan Mail Midweek Mini – Closing the Loop Ever had a conversation… made a decision… and then forgot to tell the person who raised it?This week’s Midweek Mini is about closing loops.As leaders, parents, partners — we often resolve things internally. But if we don’t communicate the outcome, the loop stays open for everyone else.Open loops create uncertainty.Uncertainty slows momentum.And sometimes all it takes is a two-line follow-up.Sacha shares why this kept popping up in her week — and why closing loops before Friday might be the most underrated leadership habit going.If you open it… close it.Simple. Powerful. Done.
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Episode 252: Six Leadership Styles (And What Happens Under Pressure)
Send us Fan MailLeadership styles. We all have one.Or six.Fresh from leadership camp, Ish and Sacha unpack the six classic leadership styles — and use some very recognisable global figures to bring them to life (brace yourself).From directive and commanding… to coaching and democratic… to pace-setting, relationship-driven, and visionary — this episode explores what each style looks like at its best, and at its worst.Spoiler: there is no perfect style.But there is a default. And it usually shows up when the pressure’s on.They dive into:Why your leadership style isn’t your personality — it’s your pressure responseHow directive leadership works brilliantly… until it doesn’tWhy coaching leaders can accidentally create paralysisThe hidden risk of always wanting to be likedPace-setting, burnout, and walking fast aloneVision without execution (inspiring… but exhausting)Whether leaders are born, made, or have greatness thrust upon themPlus: tall men, Zelensky, Ted Lasso, and why being decisive sometimes just means saying “let’s go.”The big question: What does this situation require of me?Because great leaders don’t just have a style.They choose the right one for the moment.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM - Slow Down to Go Fast
Send us Fan MailMidweek Mini: Slow Down to Go Fast A quick reminder that sometimes going slow makes you exponentially more efficient.The Core PrincipleWant to go fast at work building trust and relationships?Slow down first.How It WorksTake time to:Really understand the people you're working withUnderstand the person on other side of table/dealAsk better questionsGet to know their motivationsLook for what they're NOT sayingConvey you have all the time in the world by:Putting in pausesNot rushingAsking follow-up questionsActually listening to answersThe Pause Power in ConversationsWhen YOU pause before answering:People think: "They're considering this carefully. Must be important."When you pause AFTER someone shares something valuable:People think: "I need to think about this. There's something here to take on board."
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Episode 251: The Number One Skill Leaders Want to Work On
Send us Fan Mail Not So Breakfast Show - Communication (The Number One Skill Leaders Want to Work On) Sacha's back from the Dominican Republic (near Cuba, NOT Spain, despite Ish's geography) where her mum didn't research the location until after she'd left, then panicked. Meanwhile, Ish is prepping for Leadership Camp and reviewing pre-work responses - discovering yet again that the number one skill leaders want to develop is communication. Not Excel, not finance, not employment law. Communication. Specifically, one-to-many group communication where even prepared people freeze up. The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM: Focus Check-In. Where's Your Attention Right Now?
Send us Fan MailNot So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini: Focus Check-In (The Dump Day Follow-Up)A quick midweek pause to audit where your attention actually is - and whether it's serving you or sabotaging you.The Core Question"Where is my focus right now?"There's usually something in your brain controlling your attention, whether you're aware of it or not.IS THIS SERVING ME?Your focus is currently on something. Maybe it's:A problem you can't solveAn opportunity you're pursuingA worry you can't controlA skill you're developingA situation that keeps repeatingAsk: Is this focus helping me or hurting me right now?Option 1: Dump the Focus Maybe you're focusing on something that doesn't deserve your mental bandwidth right now. Write it down. Get it out of your head. Move on with the rest of the week.Option 2: Dump Everything Else Maybe what you're focusing on IS hyper-important, but you're not giving it the urgency it deserves because you're carrying too much other stuff. Dump the clutter so you can actually focus on what matters.
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Episode 250: Always Be Learning (ABL) - And Why Sacha Wears the Same Outfit All Week
Send us Fan MailNot So Breakfast Show - Episode 250: Always Be Learning (ABL) - And Why Sacha Wears the Same Outfit All WeekSacha's wearing the same outfit she wore yesterday (and will wear all week) following the Steve Jobs/Angela Merkel/Hillary Clinton uniform approach to reduce decision fatigue. Ish just learned this today after recording back-to-back sessions. This kicks off a conversation about ABL - Always Be Learning - exploring how our brains work, what we're teaching ourselves without realising it, and why the reticular activation system means you see pregnant women everywhere when you're pregnant.Main TopicsTwo Types of Learning -- Acquiring new knowledge (capital of Azerbaijan) vs. learning about your own behavior (what systems help you be more effective)The Reticular Activation System (RAS) -- Your brain's filter that focuses on what matters to you. Buy a Toyota RAV4? Suddenly they're everywhere. Get pregnant? Only see pregnant women. Focus on opportunities? Your brain finds them.Who Taught You to Think Like That? -- Unexamined beliefs about surnames, gender roles, career paths. The unexplored assumptions we carry without questioning where they came from.Micro-Moments of Learning -- 30-day deep dives on specific skills, tiny steps toward discomfort (wearing brighter shirt, asking shop assistant about their day, box jumps with one riser at a time)The universe keeps presenting the same problem over and over until you learn the lesson.If these things "always happen" - what's the pattern you're supposed to recognise and change?The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM - Put Out the Match, Not the Bushfire
Send us Fan MailMidweek Mini: Put Out the Match, Not the BushfireHope is not a strategy. When you see that little flare of trouble in your team, process, or system, and you think "I hope that dies out on its own" - that's the moment to act. Three weeks later when you're fighting a bushfire, you'll wish you'd dealt with the match.The Core PrincipleSmall conversations feel awkward because you're bringing up something that seems minor. But issues escalate quickly:Employee giving you a little bit of toneMeeting disagreement that wasn't handled wellProcess starting to break downRelationship tension beginning to showWhy We Avoid the MatchFeels too small to addressMight make things weirdHope it resolves itselfDon't want to seem pettyBusy with bigger fires
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Episode 249: Disagreeing Without Career Damage
Send us Fan MailNot So Breakfast Show - Episode 249: How to Be Agreeably DisagreeableSacha's experimenting with fake tan for the first time at nearly 53 (she looks like a giraffe's coat of many colors, according to her assessment), while Ish is fresh from the gym, sweaty and smelly (lucky they record on line). Today's topic: How do you disagree without becoming a career-limiting liability? How do you challenge ideas without tearing people down?Main TopicsThe Contrarian Personality -- Sacha admits being disagreeable is almost a central trait - always looking at arguments from both sides, naturally questioning everything, enabled by upbeat personality that masks how disagreeable she actually isThe Power Balance Reality -- Before disagreeing, assess: Is this your boss? A colleague? Someone who reports to you? The approach must shift based on power dynamics.The Three-Phase Framework -- Start with alignment (find common ground), ask clarifying questions (joint problem-solving), offer next steps (pilot tests, comparison options)Separating Ideas from People -- Pressure test ideas, not individuals. The sooner teams learn to separate their ideas from themselves, the freer everyone feels to contribute and challenge.The Disagreement FrameworkPHASE 1: START WITH ALIGNMENTFind what you agree on before highlighting differences:Examples:"I understand what we're trying to do here. I know we're aligned on the end result being X...""I'm with you on the outcome. I just see the path to get there a little bit differently.""We all agree we want to live in a country where every child gets opportunity..."PHASE 2: ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONSGet more information without setting people up to fail:Good Questions:"Help me understand what you're optimizing for""Help me understand what factors you're prioritizing with this idea""Can I offer another angle? I'd like to present a few other ways of looking at it""Is there more data we need to collect to give us better sense of which way to proceed?"PHASE 3: OFFER NEXT STEPSSuggest ways forward that don't make it winner-takes-all:Examples:"How about we try both approaches and determine which gets best result?""Maybe we should spend time exploring both options equally, then decide""I'd love to work with you on this - if we could have half an hour tomorrow, let's find where the issues are""Let's pressure test these ideas to see how they stack up"Bottom LineBeing disagreeable effectively requires starting with what you agree on, asking questions that truly seek understanding, and offering collaborative next steps. Separate ideas from people. Build reputation for helpfulness. Accept defeat graciously.
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MWM - One-Shot Moments (And Why Ed Sheeran's Preparation Matters)
Send us Fan MailMWM - One-Shot MomentsIsh watched Ed Sheeran's Netflix special - one continuous hour-long shot following him from gig to gig across New York. No cuts, no edits, just seamless performance requiring massive preparation. It got him thinking: How many one-shot moments do we have in our lives where we just wing it instead of doing the prep that moment deserves?Main TopicThe One-Shot Reality -- First impressions, crucial interviews, important presentations, make-or-break meetings. You don't get do-overs, yet we often show up hoping it'll be okay instead of ensuring it will be.Key InsightsEd Sheeran's One-Hour Continuous Shot - Behind the scenes reveals actors, staging, guitar swaps, route planning - all orchestrated to look effortless. The seamlessness came from preparation, not luck.You Don't Get a Second First Impression - Whether it's an interview, client meeting, or important conversation, your best self needs to show up the first time.The Preparation Guarantee - Sacha's standard: "When I've given something my best shot, if it didn't work, it wasn't because I wasn't prepared enough. I left everything out there."Questions to Ask YourselfWhat one-shot moments do I have coming up this week?First meetings, presentations, interviews, and crucial conversationsAm I treating them with the preparation they deserve?Or am I just hoping it'll be okay?What would "leaving everything out there" look like for this moment?What prep would make me confident I did my best regardless of the outcome?How do I want people to feel after this interaction?First impressions set standards and expectationsBottom LineOne-shot moments happen throughout your week. Identify them. Prepare for them. Show up as your best self. If it doesn't work out, at least you know it wasn't because you didn't do the work.Visit our website: notsobreakfastshow.comPS: Happy Dump Day!
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Episode 248: Dump Day: Getting the Thoughts, Tasks & Guilt Out of Your Head
Send us Fan MailEpisode 248It's Wednesday - traditionally "hump day" - but Sacha and Ish are rebranding it as "dump day" because they both have the minds of 12-year-old boys and can't get past the fornication implications. This episode is all about mental decluttering: getting the thoughts, tasks, and guilt out of your head so you can actually focus on what matters. From constipation metaphors to earthquake guilt, they cover why carrying less helps you show up as your best self.Main TopicsThe Midweek Brain Dump -- Why Wednesday is the perfect time to offload everything cluttering your mental bandwidth and check if you're still on track with the week's prioritiesMental Scrolling vs. Mental Dumping -- 80% of today's thoughts are the same as yesterday's. Breaking the pattern requires getting everything out of your head and onto paper.Sacha's Constipation Metaphor -- During chemo, anti-nausea drugs created the feeling of "concrete between hips and ribs." Mental clutter feels the same - blocked, powerless, unable to move. Dumping creates space.The 150 People Theory -- Sacha's persistent mental itch: humans can only maintain relationships with ~150 people. She wants to write down everyone she knows to scratch this itch and unlock creativity.The Hand in Front of Your Face Technique -- When something consumes all your attention, it's like holding your hand directly in front of your face - you can only see that one thing. Pull it back to see context. Lower it completely to avoid looking at it right now.Processing World Events -- How to acknowledge heavy news (landslides, geopolitical events, tragedy) without letting it paralyse you. Write it down, send love/prayer, then give yourself permission to continue functioning.The Dump Day ProcessWhat to Dump:Everything currently on your mental radarTasks you planned for Monday that got derailedOther people's emergencies that became your prioritiesConversations you're rehearsing in your headGuilt you're carrying for incomplete tasksWorld events weighing on your mindMidweek Check-In Questions:What were my 1-3 priorities at the start of the week?Am I still on track, or has someone else's emergency hijacked my focus?What can I delete/dump to get back on course?What am I carrying that I need to let go of?Dump day isn't about doing more - it's about carrying less so you can be more effective with what you're actually holding.The Extemporaneous MomentIsh finally remembered the word he was searching for in the last episode: extemporaneous (remarks made in formal settings that seem off-the-cuff but come from deep preparation). The freedom that comes from being prepared enough to freestyle.Call to ActionThis Wednesday, take 15 minutes to dump everything in your brain onto paper. Categorise if it helps. Delete what's just guilt. Identify what hijacked your original priorities. Then decide what you're actually carrying into the second half of the week.Visit our website: notsobreakfastshow.comPS: Other potential day names discussed: Jump day, Sump day, Lump day, Pump day (workout). All rejected for sexual implications. We're very mature.
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MWM - What Is Your Shadow?
Send us Fan MailThe Not So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini Episode: What Is Your Shadow?Episode SummaryEvery strength has a shadow side. If Superman were evil, he'd have all his abilities but use them for harm. This quick mini explores the downside of your strengths—from being the idea person who never finishes anything, to being so helpful you burn out and resent everyone. The trick? Take micro-pauses to ask: Does this situation need my strength right now, or am I best served by pulling back?Key Insights• Your greatest strength, when overused or poorly timed, becomes your greatest weakness• The shadow creates barriers when you're trying to connect• Recognition is the first step—you can't manage what you don't acknowledge• Take micro-pauses to ask: "Does this situation need this right now?"• Sometimes Superman was just a journalist, and that's okay The Practice1. Identify your core strength2. Ask: What's the downside when this is overused?3. Notice: When does my strength create barriers instead of connections?4. Pause: Before deploying your strength, ask if the situation actually needs it5. Pull back: Give others space to step up Reflect & ShareWhat's your shadow? Share your strength and its flip side with us.Rate & Review on whatever podcast platform you listen toFollow us on social mediaForward the show to a friend
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Episode 247: How to Speak Without Notes
Send us Fan MailEpisode Show Notes Season 8 kicks off with Sacha unpacking boxes in her new Christchurch home (can't find her microphone lead!) and Ish fresh from the holidays. This episode tackles a question they get all the time: how do you speak without notes? They break down what notes actually are, when to use them (spoiler: funerals and podcasts), and why reading to your audience means you should have just sent an email. Plus: UK Traitors' enthusiasm and why nobody actually cares what you say.Also, for the record, the word Ish was trying to say was EXTEMPORANEOUS. Main TopicsNotes Are A Distraction – If you're reading word-for-word to your audience, that's not a presentation, it's already an email. Send the email instead.What Are Notes, Really? – The difference between full scripts, bullet points, cue cards, and memory aids. When each type is appropriate (and when they're not).The Two Exceptions – Podcasts (no live audience watching) and funerals (emotion is overwhelming). Everything else is up for grabs.Be Worthy of Your Audience – If you're asking 5, 50, 500, or 5,000 people to listen to you, the very least you can do is prepare well enough to be good. Everybody can be a worthy speaker.Nobody Knows What You Were Going To Say – The liberating truth: your audience doesn't have your script. If you skip something or change direction, they'll never know. Relax.Ready to level up your presenting skills? Start practising without notes!The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Help Us Grow The Show
Send us Fan MailSeason 8 Announcement: Help Us Grow!Happy New Year 2026! A quick message before Season 8 drops. We're excited to bring you more leadership, career development, and occasional chaos - but we need your help to grow the show.Three Ways You Can Help:Share an Episode - If there's an episode you enjoyed, share it with one person who'd get a laugh or a takeaway. Seriously, this is the best way for us to reach new listeners.Rate & Review on Apple Podcasts - A five-star rating and even a sentence or two review makes a huge difference. The algorithm loves it and puts us in front of new audiences.Take Our 2-Minute Survey - We've put a link in the show notes. Tell us what you're enjoying and what would make the show even better.SURVEY LINK Don't Want to Do Any of That?That's totally fine! Just keep listening. We love having you in the crew.Coming Soon:Season 8 launches very soonPlanning a live Not So Breakfast Show recording (details coming)Thanks for being part of this. See you in Season 8!
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Episode 246: Christmas Parties, Career-Limiting Moments & Season Seven Wrap-Up
Send us Fan MailEpisode 246: Christmas Parties, Career-Limiting Moments & Season Seven Wrap-UpSacha's in her pyjamas in Raglan (it was Coffee Culture's "Oops, I'm at the Wrong Party" themed Christmas party a week ago, she's just still wearing them), while Ish is fresh off winning a dance-off at their ABBA vs Spice Girls costume showdown at music bingo. As they wrap season seven with 246 episodes, they dive into Christmas party culture, the "no free willy" pyjama party rules, and why being first on the dance floor is actually good leadership.Main TopicsChristmas Parties Then vs. Now -- Less drunken carnage, more intentional fun. The question isn't whether "woke gone wild" killed parties, it's whether we've lost the ability to connect in real life without alcohol-fueled chaos as entertainment.The ABBA Dance-Off Victory -- Ish's team went as ABBA, got roped into TikToks by younger teammate Millie before the party, then won the costume contest dance-off when "Dancing Queen" played (the exact song they'd just practised)—multi-generational teamwork for the win.Coffee Culture's Theme Mastery -- "Oops, I'm at the Wrong Party" meant people came as bachelorettes, Halloween, and baby showers. Head office chose a pyjama party, leading to Sacha's critical briefing about appropriate underwear layering.The Leadership Responsibility Gap -- Someone needs to monitor the party end-to-end: Who's too drunk? Who's getting home safely? Is there enough food? Are people eating? The organiser can't just be "all in" - they need to stay responsible.Dance Floor Leadership -- If you've paid for a DJ from 8-12, leaders should start dancing at 8:30, not wait 2.5 hours for someone to get courage. Being first to dance or talking to wallflowers isn't brand-damaging; it's culture-building.Bottom LineChristmas parties work when leaders take responsibility for safety AND fun. Being first to dance, talking to wallflowers, and cross-pollinating departments is good leadership. Have a great Christmas! We'll see you in 2026 with season 8The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Episode 245: Hustle Culture: Is Working Harder Still Worth It?
Send us Fan MailEpisode 245 - Hustle Culture: Is Working Harder Still Worth It?Episode SummaryIsh wins the Exercise New Zealand Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Fitness Industry (and wasn't even there!), while Sacha hustles across the South Island. This leads to a deep conversation about hustle culture, rise and grind mentality, and whether working harder actually gets you ahead anymore. Plus: AI end of the world chat, and why the younger generation wants their technology separated again. The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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Episode MWM - What's The One Thing For The Week?
Send us Fan MailMidweek Mini - What's The One Thing For The Week?Why One Thing? – You have 52 opportunities in a year to get one thing nailed each week. Clarity breeds genius.Focus vs. Urgent – The one thing for the week isn't necessarily the most urgent thing—it's the meaningful longer-term thing that needs attention.The Exercise – Dump everything that needs doing on paper, then identify the overarching focus that sums up what success looks like for the next 7 days
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Episode 243: Bad Words & Breaking Points
Send us Fan MailThe Not So Breakfast Show - Bad Words & Breaking PointsSometimes you reach the end. The absolute end. Sacha is moving house, dealing with impossible transactions, and has just discovered the movers left three massive items behind. Ish is surprisingly recharged from mini-breaks and witnessing his co-host process what happens when resilience runs out. This is a raw, real conversation about those moments when life is genuinely hard—and how to hold onto the "but it's worth it" part.Key Topics DiscussedWhen You Reach The EndRecognising you're at your breaking point (and that's a skill)Over-the-top emotional responses when resilience is at an all-time lowThe ability to recognise you're losing it while staying (relatively) calmLife Is Hard, But It's Worth ItThe mantra that's getting Sacha through:Acknowledging that yes, life IS hard right nowFocusing on what's coming on the other sideMaking the learning about yourself worth itAsking: "How can something horrible be useful? What am I learning about myself?"Memorable Quotes"Would it be all right if everybody just today, just on this day, just did their jobs? Is it too much to ask of the people around me to just do the job that I coincidentally have paid you a lot of money to do?"Key Lessons for LeadersRecognise Your Breaking Point: The ability to identify when you're at the end is itself a valuable skillReframe the Narrative: "Life is hard, but it's worth it" - hold onto the second partFind the Learning: Ask "What am I learning about myself right now?" even in horrible situationsControl Your Controllables: Change your clothes, drink water, take micro-pausesNotice Small Joys: Small moments that don't require coordinationThe Not So Breakfast Show - A podcast for leadership and career developmentSometimes the best episodes come from the worst days.Life is hard, but it's worth it.
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MWM Episode 242: Hope Is Not a Strategy
Send us Fan MailMWM: Hope Is Not a Strategy Every time you find yourself saying "I hope sales improve" or "I hope that changes," recognise that hope isn't a strategy - you're just gambling with other people's lives and your business outcomes. Join Ish and Sacha as they unpack this famous business school line (spoiler: Sacha didn't coin it, but she uses it brilliantly).The Recognition Tool:Every time you say "I hope..." ask yourself: Am I taking enough action?Hope is good - we need optimism and the promise of a better dayBut hope alone isn't a plan - you need to DO something about your situationDon't lie around waiting to be rescuedThe Whitewater Rafting Wisdom: You must participate in your own rescue. It's a powerful metaphor for life. What are you doing about the mess you find yourself in? You don't control the cards, but man, you've got to play them.The Reality: Both Ish and Sacha are positive, optimistic people. Hope is important. But it's just a starting point. You need to assist in your own rescue - make yourself rescuable by doing everything in your power to improve the situation.Want Help With Your Team?Hit up Ish and Sacha to crash your staff meeting - they'll drop in online for 5-10 minutes of inspiration and knowledge on any of these topics. (And maybe drop some intellectual property that you'll swear was Sacha's by the time they're finished.)
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Episode 241: Are You Calling Me a Quitter?! Understanding Working Genius
Send us Fan MailThe Working Genius ModelEpisode OverviewIsh has just been certified in the Working Genius model and is excited to share this powerful framework for understanding team dynamics, project workflows, and personal energy. In this episode, he unpacks the model live with Sacha, who's just received her results and is wrestling with what it means to not be naturally gifted at something. Spoiler: it's not about skill, it's about what gives you energy and joy.Key Topics DiscussedUnderstanding Working GeniusIt's a ranking, not a rating - everyone is a "six-letter person"The model identifies what brings you joy and energy, not just what you're skilled atThree categories: Genius (naturally gifted, energising), Competency (capable but neutral), Frustration (draining, even if you're good at it)Every job is also a "six-letter job"Wonder (W): Pondering the possibility, asking the right questions "What opportunities exist here?""What questions should we be solving?"Invention (I): Creating original ideas and solutions Coming up with new approachesNot innovation (that's all six working together), just inventingDiscernment (D): Evaluating ideas and providing insightNatural instinct for what will workAssessing viability and processGalvanising (G): Rallying people to action Getting buy-in and momentumCreating enthusiasm for the projectEnablement (E): Providing support and assistanceHelping others complete their workSupporting the team's needsTenacity (T): Ensuring completion and follow-through Doing the workPushing through to finishBOOK ISH NOWIf you would like to have Ish do the Working Genius module and assessment with your team, email him at [email protected] https://ishcheyne.com/The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM Episode 240: What's the Conversation You're Avoiding?
Send us Fan MailThe Core QuestionWhat conversation has been sitting in the back of your mind, taking up mental bandwidth?Why We Avoid ConversationsHoping it will just go awayFear of conflict or discomfortLack of preparationEmotional reactivityThe Two Negative Outcomes of DelayOption 1: Extended delayPhysical effects: not sleeping, overthinkingBuilds up exhaustionWhen you finally have it, you're depletedOption 2: React without preparationHave it while angry or unpreparedDon't get the outcome you wantDamages the relationshipThe One ExceptionPermission to delay: If you are so emotional that you can't have the conversation without keeping your emotions in check, take processing time. Otherwise, have it early.The Action StepIdentify the conversation you've been avoidingSet a time: "I'm doing this in two hours"Put a little thought into itGet it doneIt's not going anywhere (unless they get hit by a bus - and then you'll regret not having it)
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Episode 239: Is It Good? Is It Bad? It Just Is: Lessons in Resilience
Send us Fan MailIs It Good? Is It Bad? It Just Is: Lessons in ResilienceFresh off a 17-hour flight from New York and jetlagged beyond belief, Sacha joins Ish to talk about resilience, mental fortitude, and adapting when things go spectacularly wrong. This episode is raw, real, and packed with stories about handling crisis situations—from emergency room visits in New York to water landings in Fiji—and the lessons we can apply to workplace challenges.Key Topics DiscussedHuman Adaptation & ResilienceHow quickly we adjust to unexpected circumstances (from rookie to pro in 24 hours)The triumph of the human spirit in rapidly adapting to new normsAbove and below the line thinking: be open, be curious, and remember that eventually everything's funny from a distancePlaying to Strengths in CrisisRecognising the different roles people can play when things go wrongNot everyone needs to respond the same wayEveryone needs to respond with purpose in the forward directionDon't get stuck in "this is terrible"—move toward solutionsWorkplace ApplicationsHow do we respond when things are genuinely hard?The choice: spread misery or move things forwardWhat's the ONE thing you can do that makes things better?Delivers more value, helps more people, or makes this a more fun place to workKey Takeaways for LeadersAdaptation Speed Matters: The faster you can accept and adjust to new circumstances, the faster you can move forwardReframe the Narrative: Practice the "is it good/is it bad/it just is" mindsetLeverage Different Strengths: In a crisis, let people contribute according to their strengthsForward Motion Over Perfection: Focus on what moves things forward, not on perfect solutionsChoose Your Response: You can't always control what happens, but you can control whether you add to the problem or the solutionAction Items for ListenersThis week, when something goes wrong (and it will):Pause and ask: "Is this good? Is this bad? Or does it just...is?"Identify: What's ONE thing you can do to move forward?Recognise: What strengths can you (and your team) bring to this situation?Remember: Eventually, everything's funny from a distance—how quickly can you get there?Episode Number: 238The Not So Breakfast Show - A podcast for leadership and career developmentSometimes the best lessons come from when things go spectacularly wrong.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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MWM Episode 238: Check the Question Before You Answer
Send us Fan MailMID WEEK MINI: Check the Question Before You AnswerEver start talking and hope your brain catches up with your mouth? Yeah, we've all been there. Join Ish and Sacha as they share the power of the pause and the phrases that help you actually answer the question being asked (not the one you think you heard).Key Phrases to Have Ready:"Before I answer, let me check - are you primarily interested in X or Y?""Can I ask you to clarify?""Help me understand, are we talking about this... or is it more than that?""Just so we're all on the same page, can I summarise what we've covered..."The Process:Take a moment - don't answer straight awayBreathe in, fill your brain with oxygen (actually helpful!)Use a clarifying phrase to buy time and ensure understandingCheck if everyone in the room is having the same conversationThe Payoff: Helps meetings be more effective, go faster, and reduces waffle and noise. When you answer the actual question asked, everyone wins.
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MWM Episode 237: Building Your Team's Street Cred
Send us Fan MailMID WEEK MINIYour team is doing amazing work - but does anyone else know about it? Join Ish and Sacha as they explore how to build your team's credibility beyond simply stating "we've been working on this" and actually spotlight the individual contributors doing the heavy lifting.Key Takeaways:Move beyond collective "we" language - call out individuals by nameGive credit even when team members aren't in the room - builds brand equityNot many people resist having others know they're doing a good jobBUT - don't blindside them by asking them to present without prepThe Reality Check: Ish kept saying "we record and we edit" about the podcast, but Sacha called BS - "No, you do, and I'm happy for Ish to have all the cred because he's the one doing the work." Give credit where credit is actually due.Why It Matters: It's good for you, good for the team, good for the entire culture. Why wouldn't we give out cookies more often?Staff meeting takeoverWould you like us to crash your staff meeting? Reach out, let's chat!
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Midweek Mini Episode 236 - The Power of Micro-feedback
Send us Fan MailMid-Week Mini -The Power of MicrofeedbackStop saving up feedback for formal reviews and start creating momentum shifts in real-time. Join Ish and Sacha as they break down why waiting six months to give someone feedback is completely unfair and how those little "you've got something in your teeth" moments can transform your team's performance.Key Takeaways:Give feedback immediately after sessions - pick one thing to work on for next timeIt's unfair to dump six months of feedback on someone all at onceSet up feedback culture early: "We grow fast around here - how do you like to receive feedback?"When asking for feedback, be specific on what you're after Ask yourself: Have I given this person the courtesy of a conversation before holding a grudge?The Question: Whenever you're frustrated with someone's performance, ask yourself - have you actually told them? Often, we haven't even mentioned it, but we continue to harbour grudges in our minds. That's unfair and it's stupid.
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Episode 235: Why You Should Start a Podcast, And How to Actually Do It
Send us Fan MailEpisode 235 Show NotesEver wondered if you should start a podcast? Spoiler: you probably should. Join Ish and Sacha as they unpack why podcasting isn't just about creating content - it's about developing a critical set of skills, building your personal brand, and creating a living, breathing business card that works while you sleep. From the power of editing to the legacy you'll leave behind, this is your blueprint for launching a podcast that matters.Main TopicsWhy Podcasting Develops Critical Skills -- Discover how regular content creation forces clarity of thought, storytelling ability, and communication confidence that transfers directly to your meetings, presentations, and leadershipSolo vs. Co-Hosting: Making the Big Decision -- The pros and cons of going it alone versus finding your podcast partner-in-crime - chemistry matters way more than you thinkThe Technical Toolkit -- From Riverside.fm to dynamic ad insertion, learn the exact tools and platforms that make podcasting accessible Episode HighlightsWhy you should record 10 episodes before launching (not just one) and the psychology behind binge-worthy contentThe paradox of presence: why being fully engaged in conversation creates better content than obsessing over how you soundWhy AI-generated content is making human-created podcasts MORE valuable, not lessKey TakeawaysBefore You Launch:Practice with voice memos first - record 3-minute talks on topics you care about without editingChoose your format: Solo expert, interview-style, or co-hosted conversationPick a niche but don't overthink it - start with what you know and what fires you upBatch create 10 episodes minimum before going liveSkills You'll Develop:Storytelling and narrative structureClear, precise communication under time pressureResearch and content curationAudio/video editing (which translates to social media content creation)Marketing and audience buildingConsistency and showing up (everyone can do a blinder once, but can you show up weekly?)The Technical Setup:Platform: Riverside.fm for recording (remote-friendly, high-quality)Editing: Audacity or an AI-powered editing and transcriptionHosting: Buzzsprout, or similar for distributionDynamic ads: Future-proof your content with dynamic insertion capabilitiesEquipment: Start simple - USB mic (or your phone), quiet space, consistent scheduleThe Real Value Beyond DownloadsThis isn't just about building an audience (though that's cool too). A podcast becomes:A forcing function for regular learning and content developmentA safe space to practice public speaking with the power of editingA living business card that works 24/7 across all your back catalogueAn authentic connection point in an increasingly AI-saturated worldA legacy document that captures your thinking, growth, and voice over timeA weird but wonderful friendship deepening tool (five years and counting for Ish and Sacha!)The Deeper Work: All the tools and techniques mean nothing without answering the fundamental question: What message do you have to share? Why are you here? What's the thing only you can say in the way only you can say it?Find that answer. Then share it.The 30-Minute Presenter ProgramLearn how to map out your content, structure your thoughts, and craft messages that truly matter.Check out our 30-Minute Presenter Program today.Click here to learn more
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
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