Why the Sydney Swans scandal hurts so much, and how do we get change?

Georgie Tunny and Abby Gelmi discuss the ongoing investigation at the Sydney Swans, and the uncomfortable conversations it has sparked across the AFL. Speaking as women who have built their careers in sport, they reflect on the allegations, the reaction from fans and media, and the broader questions around culture, accountability and the treatment of women in football. It's a candid and emotional discussion about what the story says about the game, and how to actually get meaningful change.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.