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Jun 17, 2026 11 min

Why Untrained Cops Use More Force | The Gray Area

from Two Cops One Donut Hosted by Sgt. Erik Lavigne

We dig into a truth that frustrates both cops and civilians: some excessive force grows out of undertraining, not just bad intent. We argue that better grappling and control skills can reduce panic, create more options, and make constitutional policing real when things get physical. • the gray area between “anti-police” and “excusing force” • why undertraining can lead to escalation even with good intent • the difference between violence and control in defensive tactics • how skill confidence reduces hesitation and panic decisions • why tools should support training rather than replace it • the role of ego, fear, and emotion in ugly outcomes • why the oath to the Constitution demands real preparation • what the public should expect and what controlled force can look like • funding, staffing, and building progressive training from day one • why “blue belt level” competence is a practical standard to debate So I’m curious, what do you think? Should officers be expected to have real grappling experience before they are entrusted to use force on behalf of the government? And if we expect officers to use less force, should departments train them in skills that make less force possible? Because if we want officers to use less force, we have to train them in the skills that make less force possible. #TheGrayArea #TwoCopsOneDonut #LawEnforcement #PoliceTraining #PoliceAccountability send us a message! [email protected] Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc *Send us a message! [email protected] 🔗 Visit us at TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at [email protected] 🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut 🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!* 💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders Our partners: Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders! GhostPatchCustoms.com Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/ Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

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We dig into a truth that frustrates both cops and civilians: some excessive force grows out of undertraining, not just bad intent. We argue that better grappling and control skills can reduce panic, create more options, and make constitutional policing real when things get physical. • the gray area between “anti-police” and “excusing force” • why undertraining can lead to escalation even with good intent • the difference between violence and control in defensive tactics • how skill confidence...

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Why Untrained Cops Use More Force | The Gray Area

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  1. 0:00 The Gray Area Behind Force
  2. 1:10 Train Better To Panic Less
  3. 2:32 How Hesitation Triggers Escalation
  4. 4:00 Ego, Fear, And The Tool Belt
  5. 5:30 Duty, Training, And The Constitution
  6. 7:15 What Controlled Force Really Looks Like
  7. 8:45 Funding, Time, And A Real Standard
  8. 10:20 Shared Accountability And Two Big Questions

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