Will Ferrell

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So excited about our guest today. It is the one, the only Will Ferrell, a comedic giant on the Mount Rushmore of Comedy. The captain, oh, Captain My Captain, Will Ferrell. And we are going to get into so many things today. We're going to talk about SNL and all the great movies he was in.

We're going to talk about how important makeup is in building a character. We're going to talk about the mutual flop that we made together and how fun it was. We're going to talk about Swedish stereotypes and how some of them are true. We're going to talk about his new show, The Hawk, coming out this week on Netflix. Before we do that, we are going to talk to somebody who is also in The Hawk with him and also knows him from SNL and who is a comedy legend.

And that is Chris Parnell. Chris, who you can also catch in, stop that train, a movie that's out. We're going to check in with Chris. Chris is going to speak well behind Will's back. Give me a question, ask.

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Oh, I haven't seen you in so long. I know. I was just trying to think about the last time, and it must have been at the 50th. But even then, I feel like we didn't get some good enough hang time there. No, no.

I saw Tina and Wave Datter, but that was kind of like the extent of it, too. That was the case for a lot of people. Tina has that restraining order against you, so you're not allowed to get close to her. Yeah, I mean, I thought she would have let me, if I had made an effort. But yeah, I'm not going to do this again.

I need to talk about it. OK? Thanks for doing this. I'm talking to Will today. And I feel like I don't think enough people know how long you and Will have been friends.

We met at the Groundlings. Gosh, E-596-596. But we really didn't connect until I started on SNL. And we shared an office in I and Jerry Collins, had an office, the Gentleman's Corps. That's right.

That was the name of the office. So you did not perform together at the Groundlings? Like, you were in different time periods here? Yeah, he was ahead of me. And I saw him perform.

And I think he actually saw me perform in one of my shows. But he was a couple of years ahead of me, I think. And then, you know, gone to SNL, I think, three years before I got on, I think. What was it like to share an office together? What do you remember of those times in the late 90s being at the show?

It was just so cool. It was so fun. And after read throughs on Wednesday, we'd go back and we'd all have a little scotch. We kept a bottle in the office. And that was a fun ritual.

And sometimes we would kind of dress up a little bit and some more outfits. But it was such a great welcome to the show. And we'll, you know, obviously in so many ways, it's so impressive. But I remember feeling insecure about being on the show and trying to get material on. And I remember asking of us, I was looking for comfort, assurance.

And I said, do you, when you first started, you know, did it take you a while to get rolling and get up to speed? He's like, nope, I just started right away. And I was like, OK, all right. Well, that's called comfort for me. But I knew it was true because I'd seen his first show.

You know, I mean, SNL was like the perfect job for well. He was really built for that show because he had the Constitution. So much of it is handling the big feelings that come along with trying to get stuff on and just kind of competing with your friends in a weird way, but then also collaborating with them and all that stuff. And he just seems to not let that get in his head. It's true.

I know. He also, you know, has always come across as pretty fearless to me. And just so confident, but you know, never arrogant about it. You know, just like, it's just so I am. I got it.

I'm confident, you know, I can do this. Yeah. What film in television have you guys done outside of us and all together? Well, Anchorman, what does it mean today? Right.

I think the Hawk, this upcoming series. Who do you play in that show? Pardon. I'm on the PGA Tour board. I'm a PGA Tour board member.

And I'm kind of, I don't care for Will's character. I don't care for the Hawk. Excellent. I have quite a bit of animosity towards Will's character. Is your character the kind of guy that's like upset at how Hawk doesn't take the sport seriously?

Well, that's part of it, for sure. That is part of it. But it also has to do without giving anything away. It has to do with personal matter that happened between us many years ago. Great.

And it sort of comes back to the surface again. And yeah, so I've got a personal rush against him. And I'm also just really an uptight asshole. You know, which has come so naturally to me. Before we go, I just, you know, we do this to kind of talk well behind people's backs.

And I think everybody knows that Will is like a uniquely confident performer. And obviously kind of like for many on the Mount Rushmore of comedy, frankly. But what is so great about him as a person? Because I find he'd be a really wonderful person as well. What would you say?

He's a good laugher. You know, I think that says a lot about a person too. And when you can make people laugh as well as he does, but also be willing and free to laugh at other people really openly. And yeah, I just think he's a sweet guy. I just think he's a sweet guy by nature.

Yeah. Is there a question you have for me today to ask him anything you're thinking of? Sure. Oh, look at Parnsy. So prepared.

I always. Well, I was at four hours thinking about this. I wrote a list of 50 questions that I inherited down to 25 and down to 10, the final five. I guess one question would be who were your comedy idols, your heroes growing up? Who did you look up to comedy wise?

That would be one. And then the other one might be have you always been so confident. Yeah, I think it's a good one. It feels like if stuff is going down, you would kind of turn to Will. Like, what are we going to do?

Right. Right. Well, the last thing I'll say Parnsy is I'll never forget. I've had so many moments with you, like where I've been next to you, where fun weird things have happened. And a lot of people don't know that Parnsy used to do a great sketch, probably not probably a sketch that probably wouldn't be able to happen today.

Many like many, many. Well, it was a very gentle nice guy called Murph the Purf and he was he was. I loved him. And but Murph would just kind of show up to parties. How would you describe Murph?

Well, you know what the name came from Will actually because I was kind of doing a version of Murph at a some party. And he's like, Oh, Murph the Purph. And I was like coming on day and there was being something weird and that's where the title came from. And he just come up to ladies and just gently asked them if they'd like to party in his pants and then you have Ripaway, tear away pants like a nice Purph. Well, I know Parnsy that Will is going to be so happy that we talked.

I'm so happy to get to get to shoot it a little bit. So, you know, thanks for asking. Of course, it's great to see you. Congrats on the new show and great to see you and I hope you're doing great and I hope I see you soon. Bye.

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Terms apply, see Visible.com for plan features and network management details. Hi. Hi. Hi. I was very excited about you coming today.

I'm so excited to be here to come here. How are you? Is it a big press day for you? Do you have to go do a bunch of things now? We rolled this into we're going up to Connecticut tomorrow.

Nice. ESPN? No. What's up there? Travelers insurance, golf tournament?

No. Amy, come on. Well, we are going to talk about your new show. The hot, we can play a golfer. So, we're going to go up there and then we've been grabbing stuff for Lonnie's Instagram in character.

So, Lonnie walks around a lot and talks to people. Well, I was wondering if I was going to be interviewing Lonnie today. I don't know if you loved it. You're a character. As you know, with our comedy lives, you sometimes think of a really good idea and then you just make you tired.

But I got to say, of all the people that have to do ideas, you are probably instal remain one of the least tired. I'm hanging in there. You are the least tired. Yeah. Because you love to work.

You love. Well, you have worked really hard since I've known you. Yes, I have. You have. But some of it is smoke and mirrors.

Sure. But like you're also out there plugging and you get a kind of a pleasure. We talked about this about doing kind of stupid stuff to promote. Like you don't mind that. You kind of like it.

Exactly. You like to be embarrassed. And I always remember what you see is like what we do is embarrassing. Yes. But you don't see him ever seen him.

I remember saying that. You're coming to be embarrassing. Well, I think I hopefully quoted Ted Danson because that was his quote. Okay. I hopefully gave him that.

I think he said, I remember you said, I'm about to say something. And this is my quote and my quote only. I don't know anything. Okay. What's the deal?

But I want you to know when you hear it, remember, I came up with it. I was like, fine. Tell me what it is. Comedy is embarrassing. What we do is embarrassing.

I was like, okay. I was like, okay. Yeah, I know. That's kind of interesting. Yeah.

But Ted Danson said he said it in terms of acting because we were him and I were doing a scene one time and somebody was acting and he in such a sweet way. He's such a nice guy. He said, oh God, acting is embarrassing. And he said it is. But you have a captain energy that I love.

And you know, for me when I started SNL, like you were the captain I watched and you still are in many ways. I watch how you navigate your life and this work and everything. And you have a captain energy. I mean, I think some of it might just be because you're tall. I think a lot of it is.

You're just like tallest guy in the room. Yeah. So what are you going to do? Well, I was like, oh, why is everyone looking at me? Yeah.

And I also think that, you know, being a good captain, like I feel like you have this thing where, you know, I've worked with you. I've got to work with you a lot where I watch you kind of be the number one on the set and you you're always professional, always working hard, but you're not taking things too seriously or yourself too seriously ever. No, no, I look back and that was not intentional. Yeah. But I just remember that what was intentional was reminding everyone and I'm referring to working on starting out live in that environment, reminding everyone that this is supposed to be fun.

Yeah. So we won the jackpot. We won the jackpot. It's a comedy show. That's right.

Let's have fun while we do it. That's right. And let's make each other laugh. Yes. And let's have moments where like no one's ever going to see.

Right. Yes. It makes everybody feel so relaxed. And that was the thing that I watched when I. But you always seemed 100% relaxed.

I really did. I really did. I've told you this, but I really did watch, you know, our year overlaps, we only had one year together on the show, which is so weird. And was it the? Was it?

It was 2001. One. A great year for comedy. Great year. People were ready to laugh.

A great time to start a job in comedy. That's right. And it was like kind of coming into a school and seeing the cool senior and being like, oh, that senior is cool, not only because they're talented, but they know how to like make people feel relaxed, keep people like doing bits, like reminding everybody that this is like life is a dream and like, what are we doing? Like all that stuff. It was really important.

So, okay, I'm going to go back in time. Okay. So grab something just in case you faint. A little fake hamburger. Are you like, you were like a popular kid.

Best personality you got. I did. Congrats. Yes. I got best personality.

Do we occur? Do we occur? Do we occur? Do not need to dating prowess or girlfriends or like that. Okay, girls were like, well, but I like you.

They were like, oh my God, so funny. I talked to them all about my friends. What? What a funny joke. No.

Okay, that makes me feel better. So you were God is fair. So you were like, crushing it on the personality, not on the ladies. What sports did you play in high school? You name it.

I played as shit. What was your best sport? What were your best stat? Well, I was captain of the basketball team. Damn.

Captain. But I averaged 1.2 points a game. Once again, not a joke. Okay. So you don't have a good shot or?

No, I just, I learned at a pretty good shot, but I learned I stayed in the game longer by playing defense, rebounding, setting, doing all the things that no one else wants to do. Fundamentals. Fundamentals. Yeah. Very sexy.

Very sexy. Right. I played baseball. I was a kicker on the football team. I was a play-love soccer.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I loved, I loved team sports. Yeah.

And you, you know, your dad was working with the righteous brothers. And the best thing about us now is I get to know everybody's parents. I met your parents so many times. They're so lovely. And, but you like kind of read somewhere that like you really know about this, this like idea of show business because it's just very scary.

Very scary. What did it seem scary at the time? I just saw the, there was no stability in the life of a musician. Yeah. And I would watch how, and I would sit and watch my dad play going, this is the most talented.

He was like, like my hero, like so funny and great piano player and like, who could be better than that? And so I never understood when he would have a nightclub gig that would, he'd come home and be like, well, I'm not going to be playing there. I'm like, oh, what is like nothing? They just decided going to make a change. So I've got to go out and I've got to look for the next gig.

And it was very impressionable to me that that was, oh, that was rough. So I was, I was, I was committed to having what I thought in my little kid brain was a real job. Which do you remember what you thought it was going to be? But this is what I knew. These are the elements.

You carry a briefcase. Absolutely. You carry a briefcase. Of course. You go into a building.

Yes. It has to be inside a building. You go into a building and you have either a cubicle or you have an office and, and you go, you go for a period of time. You talk to people, then you walk home with your briefcase. I didn't have a car in my little kid.

Did you have to remember there used to be like punch cards? That was like, I used to play secretary when I was a kid. I can. And I used to go down to my dad's. I think I was still, I think I was executive level in my little kid brain.

I opened up a leather binder. So it's signed something. Yeah. So yeah. So that was, that was the, that was the game plan, even though I don't know what that meant.

So how do you then jump from like, I'm going to have a safe job with the briefcase because you are, you're playing sports, you're tall, you're a white straight guy, like those guys go into briefcase jobs. Right. Briefcase jobs. Then you're going to, then how do you get to the ground? I had to take classes.

What do you think it was? It was death by a thousand cuts. I mean, it was literally just a little bit here a little bit because I wasn't, I didn't entertain any sort of performance. No plays in high school. No plays in high school.

And yet I remember, remember our high school had a really good drama department. Yeah. And I went with friends to go watch the show. They were doing, I forget what I was, but, but I remember watching going, this is good. And these kids are good.

And that would be fun. But any comedy sneak out at all. Cause I think sometimes it just like squirts out and you can't help it. Like, did you get up in front of the class? Were you funny?

I did. What the kind of thing that kind of opened began the crack in the door. Open the comedy briefcase. Open the comedy briefcase. And you know what's inside of the comedy?

One of those snakes that pops out of you. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Where were assemblies? School assemblies. Yes. And a good buddy of mine, Bart, and I would write basically when I look back, they were sketches. Yeah.

And we wrote these performance pieces for the assemblies. Oh, yeah. We would, we would imitate the teachers. We would do, we performed as the Schmengi brothers from sctv. Wow.

No other kids knew who the Schmengis were, but thought, oh, I don't know what you guys do. The Schmengi doogles. How'd you make that up? I know we're copying it from sctv. That was my first kind of, and we were also writing these morning announcements to sell senior class t-shirts.

That was our big fundraiser. So these were like little radio skits. Yeah. And, um, and the defining moment for me when I look back was sitting at home. I knew we had, we'd do it like every other Tuesday or something.

And one was due the next day. And I'm, I have a mountain of homework sitting there. I spent three hours crafting this little dumb paragraph. Yeah. And I, it was 11 o'clock and I'd started at eight and it felt like, it felt like 10 minutes.

Yeah. Yeah. And even then as like a senior and I thought, hold on, hold on to this memory. Remember what this feels like. This does not feel like work.

Did you have like, chah, like fun, dumb jobs that you were like doing while you were trying to figure out your USC, right? Yeah. I was, uh, I parked cars. I worked one day at Disneyland. Did you have fired?

No, I, not aspect. I know. No. I had, I was too afraid. I had my friend, John, call and quit on my behalf, which was really funny.

Pretend to be you or? Yeah. I was, for some reason, I was so embarrassed to call. I went, so I got a job and you were paid for the orientation day. Oh, yeah.

To work at Disneyland. And I thought that I was going to be assigned, you know, to be one of the really fun jobs, like the jungle cruise operator or, okay, and I find out, oh, no, those guys work there for eight years before they get. So they assigned me, uh, one of the front kiosks for selling tickets at the same time. I had a rival offer to work at a friend's surf shop. A friend who was managing a surf shop right down at Newport Beach.

Exactly. Same pay. Yeah. Five, 15-hour. Yeah.

But I was too embarrassed to call up Disney Disneyland. So my friend, John, call on my behalf and said, uh, I will be quitting after one day and that, uh, and they asked, okay, a reason for leaving. And he said, I, he said, I have a tryout with the Dallas Cowboys. And they went, thank you very much. So somewhere there's a file at Disney corporate.

It says, real feral worked for one day, reason for leaving, try out with the Dallas Cowboys football team. And they probably were like, they probably thought for a second, I remembered you and they're like, huh, what position? And someone's like, he's a kicker. That makes sense. Maybe a kicker.

Make the Cowboys. You want to get an interesting story? We just said someone call and cancel. They're not going to work. They're not going to try out for the Dallas Cowboys.

How does that? Anyway, I was from the best. Waiter, ever? No. I knew I would.

I knew. I knew the groundlings. What year was that? Do you remember what year it was? I graduated from USC.

What was your degree? In sports information. So that was the trying to bridge the gap between real job and entertainment. So as I'm, as I'm coming, kind of in college, like you said, it's, it's oozing out of me in places. I still wasn't like, I still didn't join a college improv team.

I still did audition for anything. It was more, it was more kind of what we're talking about getting out, doing bits, trying to make my friends laugh, pretending to be other people that I wasn't in order to make. So I would show up to a friends class as I found like some overalls and I would interrupt this friends class as a maintenance worker and pretend to fix things or just come up, come in with like a lit cigarette out of my mouth and like a puke bucket and the teacher would be like, can I help you? And I look at him and just going through up in here and even saying no.

I'm sorry. They call me from physical plant. And I said, this is this is classroom B three or two, right? Yeah. I'm sorry about that.

But like blowing smoke in his classroom, but like, but my heart is pounding in my chest, but finding it, it's thrilling. And I'm only making three people laugh. That to me is like free solo of comedy. It's like rock climbing where you're like doing it just kind of for yourself. No one's watching.

Totally. It's pretty, it feels quite dangerous because everyone's like, what are you doing in here? And I would have, I would have, I worked, my work study job was at the humanities, audio, visual department. So occasionally I may have to push an over overhead projector across campus. And I would tell my buddy, like, Hey, are you guys all going to sit in the commons area?

I may, I may be pushing overhead projector at around 12 30. It's like, okay, good. And he, my friend, Emil became my shill. And I would time it. I'd do his circuitous route nowhere near where I needed to go.

And I would just pull my, just enough to have my butt crack show and just slowly push. And my friend, he would be like, look at that guy. What an idiot. And people, like the game, he would, he would get the crowd to go, yeah. And, and people didn't know me would, would laugh in a mean way.

Yeah. Once again, I found it thrilling, thrilling that these people had no idea that it was all, it was all actually jokes on them. It makes sense to me because, just on that, I'm not going to ask you. I knew my pants were down. I knew it.

I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I pulled it down myself. But it makes sense because people, what people love about you will is it does feel like you're trying to make your friends laugh.

Like that's really what it feels like. It feels like, and they feel parasocial like your friends. Like they're like, Will is my friend. He makes me laugh. Like I'm big with you when people come up to you and people, you invoke this like feeling of people were like, it's almost like, Will, I knew I was going to see you.

You're my friend. You know, people feel really connected. And it is. And then they're like down when I'm not doing the bits. Well, I mean, there's nothing but a letdown.

Oh, yeah. You've experienced me, right? I mean, oh, wow, you're quiet. Yeah. You're not telling jokes.

Oh, what am I going to do with that? Yeah. Like, oh, are you sad today? I'm just, this is my normal. I'm not screaming.

I'm assured is on. Yeah. Yeah. When you got to groundlings, who were your peeps there? Who was studying when you were there?

Who, let's see, my direct peeps kind of coming up at the same time through the school were Katann and Sherry. And I believe a little overlap with Chris Parnell. Oh, Jennifer Coolidge was kind of, she was actually ahead of us and did some shows with us as well. And then so many of you started at SNL around the same time or at the same time. You and Sherry came in together.

Yeah. And then we did known Molly from Molly Sweetley. I was with Molly yesterday. I just saw her. She got her.

She got her. She got her. She got her. She got her. She got her.

And of course, Molly gave the greatest speech of all time. Yeah. Of just stream of consciousness. Yeah. But told the story of how, and I met Will, I was working at the Melrose Baking Company.

And Will, and I was with my friend Patricia and brought Will in and said, Mrs. Will and you said, hi. And like, what can I get you? And you said, I will have a scone. Molly delivering that story, like thunderous laugh.

Yes. Like that written down on a piece of paper is not funny, but Molly delivering it. I love what you said about her. Why don't you say about her and like how her character felt like it was the beginning of a new chapter for your show? I just remember it was this moment when she first did Mary Catherine Gallagher.

It was our fourth show that we'd ever done for that new cast of the 95, 96 season. And you know, very much finding our sea legs very much. We're all pretty brand new. We're all pretty new cast members and entire new writing stuff. And so the audience is very leery and it was that first moment she starts doing the character.

And I'm at the beginning of the sketch, but I have to run. This is during dress rehearsal. I have to run to go underneath the paint cans there, which is a section of the studio where you're underneath the bleachers there. And I'm doing a quick change for the next thing. And she starts doing Mary Catherine for the first time and I can feel the stands shake.

The audience is howling and screaming with laughter to the point where it almost felt emotional. It felt like, wait, the somatic thing was happening. Like there was a rumble in your stomach. 100%. Yeah.

And I literally, as I thought about things to talk about, Molly in terms of knowing, I thought that she kind of saved the show in a way. It was that first thing for this new group of where people were like, Oh my God, that character is very real and funny and an outsider and dark. Yeah. Yes. And she throws herself into a stack of metal folding chairs with no visible padding on her at all.

Right. It was like punk rock version of Lucille Ball. Yeah. And for a woman, you know, in comedy, like, like, it was like busting through the door, I think, in a way. And I just remember thinking, okay, they like, and it just created this momentum from that point on.

You know, if anything, the show is like so cyclical. We've learned that like it's been said a million times like when somebody leaves the show and never be the same. It's been like 50 years, like this cast is better than that cast, whatever. And I, you guys got bad review. Like the show was like Saturday night dead.

And do you remember any of the bad reviews? I think Cher was the only one who got it good. Cher, you got it good. Yeah. Do you remember it?

Because Cher, you got a great first show. Cher, I mean, Cher, it was an amazing performer as well. Yeah. I was my first show. I mean, I got, you know, it was, it once again, I think it's part of another piece that informed the way I approach all of this because it was, it was like good news and bad news.

You're one of the only cast members mentioned by name. Oh, that's really, it's got to be good. It's bad news. Most annoying newcomer right out of the gate from the first show. You don't have to say their name, but do you remember the writer's name?

No. Okay, that's where you and I are different because I would like, no, I don't remember that, but I remember it was one of those, one of those entertainment magazines that doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. It was like entertainment weekly, but not entertainment. Maybe it was entertainment, maybe it was entertainment.

Or like premier or like something like that. And they were, they were coming for you. They were really not happy. And so as we all know, we've all been hit with these moments where you're like, you're thinking, what do I, okay, do I just sit and wallow in this? I don't know what it is about my DNA, but I just started cracking up going, you asked for it, buddy.

Yeah. So then I just back to sports. I just made it bull. I literally taped it to my wall. Yes.

Most annoying newcomer. But this is what a captain does. And then I was, and then the only thing I know how to do is I'm like, I'm just going to lean into it anymore. Even more like if you think I'm annoying now, just wait. I'm going to push that overhead projector across your face, you know, and so it just kind of fired me up.

Yes. But there was no part of me that was like, what am I doing wrong? Oh, I better change things up. I don't have that move. I have very, very strong opinions about comedy.

Same with music. They're very similar, which is like, I love that song. I hate that song. I love that song. I hate their voice.

Like everyone feels really like they own their feelings about things. I'm just visiting you really pouring over and circling someone's name. There is a couple of reviews. I got two reviews that I like, I think like I whispered their names into my pillow every night like Aria Stark. Like I think about these two people and I'm just like, someday we're going to see each other again.

There used to be a writer for the LA Times. Kate Fairl would remember her name. Okay, Kate's got a written down. Well, she had it. She had it so out for me that I saw, I opened up the LA Times to see a review of 40 year old virgin.

Sure. And I remember on paper man, Grel talking about that premise and we're all going, buddy, that is hilarious. He's like, yeah, I mean, you know, try to see if I can get this going. Anyway, I see this. I'm like, I'm going to see what they think is the first two paragraphs are how this woman hates me.

Hates. Yes. Two solid paragraphs. Oh, delicious. How there's no one worse than him.

He is unfunny. There's no, there's nothing redeemable about anything he does. That's the top of the article. That's why when I watched Steve Carell, I was so pleasantly surprised. It's like, what do I have to do with, I guess because he was an anchor or.

Oh, sure. She was like, now this is the kind of guy that I laugh at, not this stupid idiot. It was like a hot, it was like opening, like it was like being in Las Vegas and you're air conditioning room, you open up to a blast furnace of 110. It's like, that serves you for going, don't even read other people's review reviews because they'll get you. I mean, what I need to do.

I want to wear a t-shirt of her name and just be photographed walking around town. Yeah, I love that. That is, that is, I think something you and I share, which is just like, it's, there's a little bit of a tingle of like, it must be the challenger in us, but like some kind of like where it's like, because it's kind of, it's this thrilling thing where you realize like, I'm going to survive this. I can't explain it. I'm like, yeah, yeah.

The worst has happened. Somebody doesn't like me and somebody, and it's like going to be like, I don't know. There's something, there's a mischievous quality about it. That's fun. Yeah.

And you don't, you just can't internalize it. Like what do you do? It's like, our most favorite review of stepbrothers was Roger Ebert who said this is the end of Western Civilization. And he went as far as to say, do not buy this on DVD when it comes to not support movies like this, because it will make other people think they should make movies similar to this. So please, it was a, it was like a call to action.

Yeah. Yeah. Incredible. Oh God. Okay.

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Check it out at store.google.com. When you speak about Molly saving the show, I felt the same way about you in 2001. I felt like we were, I was starting, you know, we joked about earlier, but I was starting at a time when it was like New York was hurting, comedy was over, people were like, we can't joke anymore, we can't do it, we can't do it was post your book, like you had done Bush, we couldn't do any jokes, you know, poor Forte had to play Bush during those years and it was like, what do we do? No one could kid about anything other than maybe pop culture and even that everyone was like, not now. Right.

Right. Which is sad. Yeah. And so I remember when you came out in patriotic underwear, speedo, underweight, dolphin shorts, dolphin running shorts. Okay.

Tight shorts. Pulled way up. And you had just four air, not for dress, dress I kept them on. Don't make it dress. Don't make it dress.

It's a tracing Morgan likes to say. Don't make it dress. So you, you hiked him for air. And I also remember that you would just run because you're a runner. You would just run like a half marathon.

The New York marathon. Okay. So you run the New York marathon. You were really. I forgot that part.

Yeah. And you were like, I'm very changed. Super jade. And you did a patriot is a guy who's trying to be patriotic at his office. And same thing will I remember the audience laughing and being like, Oh, we're going to be okay.

Okay. Comedy is going to be okay. The show is going to survive. I'm going to still have a job. I forgot about the chafing.

You were chafed from a running. Okay. I want to talk about some stuff that you've done. I'm so bad at transition. Wait, did you think I was rough?

I was like, thank God. I said, okay, stop. Okay, stop. But you know what? I think that is.

A great transition. It's super clear. I said, okay, stop. Okay, stop. Okay.

I want to talk about something else. Turn this page. Turn this page. Turn this page. Turn this page.

I'm going to help model this transition too. Please. I was thinking about your time and how then you became such a star yourself. But I'm not trying to I'm not trying to kiss, but this is a scientific analysis. Okay.

But then you and Tina go on to do update and to bring that like so far for and and but I was and got Amy had to run around and do sketches and then do update. Yeah. You know what? It felt it was so I say very loose because I was always you know, like nothing worse than having one line. You do have to think about it.

You're like totally. I would just be like, oh, here comes this fun. This is fun break right here. Totally. Wow.

And I wasn't as stressed about getting sketches on because I always knew I had update. And so I felt like very, very like getting eventually to the looseness that I wanted to my and I talk about it. Like we we wanted like senioritis that feeling of like half and half like this is a dumb thing. This is a fun thing. But it's so hard to get there.

You leave us now and then will you have the biggest string of comedy hits like hit after hit like old school and grand step brothers telling me it's like like, first of all, I can't even I should have done the research. Yeah. Like how how many years did you like it seems like that was all done in like 10 or 15 years, a movie a year at least. Right. So many hits.

Pause is in between. Sure. Yeah. But just you are you are the from so many people, especially millennials, I would say, and maybe some gen X you are the face of their like five favorite comedy movies and you've been in some good kind of movies and we know that's hard. Movies are hard.

Yeah. Good movies are hard. Good comedies are hard way harder than a drama, which is easy. Yeah. Dramas are easy.

What are you going to do? I'm like all three all five cameras. Like so easy. Like you yell. They cry like whatever.

But I want to ask you about the end of the way. I don't know what your question is and I don't know how to answer it. I don't know. Yeah. It's such a run because such a run.

I just leave the show with. No job. No job. The only thing. Zoolander maybe.

I'd already come out. Oh right. You came out. That's right. If you call it came out during 2001.

Yep. Tough time for comedy. Didn't find its audience till much later. Yeah. Yep.

I had been in the last year second I'd film that last year I was leaving because I was filming Old School. All school. That's right. That's right. You were going back and forth so old school but old school had been held on to which is not usually a positive endorsement from the studio.

They're like, this is great, hold on. This is so good. Let's keep it on the back burner. It's too good. No, it went from like a November release to like February of the next year.

Mm-hmm. And the only thing that was big time development was Elf. I mean, Elf is such a good movie. So we didn't even know. We didn't even know.

And then, yeah. Well, let's talk about Elf for one second. It is the, I mean, it is a lot of people's comfort movie. It's definitely their favorite Christmas movie. It's so fucking funny.

It holds up so well. Yeah, thank you. I'm Faribrow, who was like a Chicago improv guy that I came up with. And it's so, what do you think? It was interesting because John really wanted to make sure it had a timeless feel to it.

And John really wanted to, and it was 100% right, but I'm coming off of SNL. I'm known, yes, there was like the cheerleaders and sketches like that, but I'm also known for a PG-13 pushing our brand of humor. And I'm sitting in my trailer in my Elf tights, looking in the mirror, going, what have you done? I'm dressed as buddy. And I mean, this is early movie deals.

I'm in the double, I'm in the double bag. I was gonna tell a picture of you really crowding this trailer. I'm in the space eater that's still built into the wall. And it's, we shoot the New York stuff first. So I don't even know if I know who this character is yet.

I'm walking around. I'm walking around and yellow tights and oh my God. What? This could be it. This could be it.

This could be like what? That guy was so funny. And then he made this movie. We played a giant elf. Oh, poor.

That's why it's so embarrassing. It could be like he's a genius, classic Christmas movie forever. Or tights, we're just gonna kill this. But I remember going, this is either gonna be a homerun or it's gonna be a complete strikeout. Yeah.

It's a very good example too of what you do so well, which is like the big and little of it all. Like you play big, but you're little or you're like, you've got no power but you're cockier than you should be. Like playing around with status, which you do in all your movies. Like, Anchorman is a perfect example of that. Like one of many things you made with McKay, which is just like this deeply, stupid, hilarious person who is disconnected to the world, but yet in charge.

And who is why? Really, mentally, mentally challenged. The problems. Really has a hard time with life. And it just gets worse, not better, never changes.

And all you guys did was just go for all of the funny and have the funniest people. And like Steve was here, we were talking about him in that movie and how he was just blown away by watching you work and being around all you guys. And like, and every single character in that movie is Keckner and Red are so funny. Yeah. You love playing Ron, like you love doing him, right?

What's fun about him? I still will try to, but we did a podcast with him. It was so fun. Just because Ron can say what every once. And he doesn't have to have the right facts.

He doesn't have to. In fact, I just did Ron recently down in San Diego, because Bill Curtis, longtime Chicago, narrates the movie. It was retiring from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. And I had gotten a email just asking what I sent a video and to congratulate Bill. And he's so proud of his connection to that movie.

And he still has a sandy in his house of Ron. And he's the sweetest guy. And I said, well, hold on. When are you doing the shows? We were doing it live down San Diego.

I'm like, what if I come and surprise him? And so they were like, would you actually, I'm like, yeah, that we owe him so much. And so we surprise the audience. Oh, that's huge. It's also such a good name, Ron Burgundy.

And also great that his suit was burgundy. Yes. You know, costumes are so fun. You love them. I love a good costume.

Yeah, yeah, you do. But Ron had other costumes too. He did. He had other suits. You can just have that one.

He wasn't that crazy. No. But when you think about Ron, you think about him in his burgundy suit. But he had some delightful tans. And he was a he was a head like a fisherman.

Turn around. You had a baby blue, like a leisure suit, though. Bring out his eyes. It was a very handsome man. He was very handsome.

Ron was very handsome. And then you and I did a movie. We did two movies together. We did Blades of Glory, which was so fun. And you had to learn how to ice skate.

I had to learn. Or did you know? I had to learn. But you didn't love it. If I recall.

I talked about it with Greta Lee on this pod a few weeks ago. I didn't love it. I didn't love it. I wasn't. I I I I think I saw, you know, like you said down at the piano and you think you're going to be able to play piano.

Like I thought I'd be better at it. And I was like, fuck, I'm not. I remember us needing a real, you know, performers and just being like, we're never ever going to look like we can do this. Exactly. And you look of all your movies.

You look the tallest in Blades of Glory. You look so tall. Do you like skates still? No, no. I need to.

Yeah, I'm too nervous. I let it I let it. I have the skates. Yeah, packed away somewhere. They were custom made skates.

Yeah, you insisted on it. I have my costume framed. You do? You do? Yeah.

But Viv, Will's wife. Yeah, sorry. It's hanging in the garage. She's like, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't not like it, but it's going to hang in the garage. And then we did the house together, which was so fun to do. It was a dream come true to make a movie with you.

Did not really resonate at all. But yet I asked to argue that movie's funny. My kids often tell me that that like, like, mom, that was 7% on Ron Tomatoes. I didn't realize it's that. And I was like, no way, 7%.

Have they seen it? It's gone up. I just want you to know. OK. I just checked today.

It's 20%. Triple. We did it. But that was a really fun movie. It was a fun movie.

How did that come on? I don't know, but I'm sorry. I'm glad I plopped you. You spoke about Vivica. Vivica, your wife of now 25 years?

Probably? 25 going on 26. Damn. Such a formidable, cool, smart, interesting person. So as such a perfect matriole.

And Swedish. Swedish. And that's what we have in common. My brother lives in Sweden. What are the stereotypes of Swedish people that are correct?

I think the stereotype that Swedes aren't funny is not true. Agree. They are very sly. Dry sense of humor. Yes.

And as you know very well, and your brother knows, can also be, though, unintentionally direct. Yeah. Very direct. I think intentionally. But it's just a matter of fact.

No, I'm just telling you. No, you're looking for your guts. You've got fat. No, you're worse. Now you're fat.

Someone is very tired. You look tired. Well, I don't think he would be too well because he's ugly. What? He's ugly.

Or the saliva is like, they are a little bit ugly. You're right. He's a little bit ugly. My best story. This was when we were first taking trips there.

I didn't have a lot of Swedish under my belt, but I had some nouns. We were on one of these little tour buses. It was a boat. It was a boat out to the archipelago. They had one of these outside decks.

I saw this group of tourists and they were looking and pointing. Then they sent a scout. You could tell they sent a scout to go check to see if it was really me. I said, and we were with her cousin. She was like, we should start speaking Swedish.

They started speaking and I started going, yah. Yah. Oh, shickling, which is just chicken. Yah. Oh, scour, which is shoes.

I'm just saying nouns. I'm just like, shickling. Chicken. Yeah, shoes. Hat.

Oh, which is good. I just would say these words. He did this lap. It was really fantastic bad movie acting. Did this lap where he did a slow look at me and then he looked away.

They looked back at the group and he just went. That's not him. Not him. So was like, so good. So good.

I mean, you could be Swedish. The B side of that is Swedes listening to someone just go chicken. Shoe. Shirt. Good.

And they'd be like, he's stupid. He's obviously stupid. They took him out for the boat ride. He's a little stupid. The other thing that's really annoying about the Swedes.

Yeah. And I'm sure Greg has encountered this. But the men all can either are gourmet cooks, can build a table, can repair the tire on your car. Yeah. Oh, they just watched it.

Let us take a look. The Flume and Vav is not working. Yes. And take it apart. Yes.

Like, you go around, can't fix it. Yes. They can do everything. They can do everything. And they're so tall and buff and they're very, and also home a lot.

Yeah. They're just like, they're pretty, yeah. And like, I sold the button back on my shirt. I can't sew a button. I should be able to.

I'm 58. I should know how to sew a button. You would think? Yeah. Right?

Yeah. But they're like, Matias, we'll do it for you. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Now, if you start to do it, they're also very precise. So if you start to, oh, I'll be like, let me do it. I don't want you to wreck it.

That's okay. I'll do it. Code for it. You're going to break it. Let me do it.

And then the last thing, what would last you things before I get to the hawk? I just also, I love the film you made with Harper last year. I was such a beautiful, beautiful film. Well, like congrats on its success on how it's received. Did you have people coming up?

Do you still talk to you about it? What do they say? When they... The gift that keeps on giving. Yeah.

Just thank you. And what a, you know, I love it and what a beautiful, but we've gotten stories that have ranged from, we watched with our trans child and it was the first time we talked about it as a family. It's just run the gamut. And it might have been the most, once again, like surprising in the sense that we didn't know what we were going to make or have. I mean, it's a documentary.

But to have this thing where we literally got to the beach at Santa Monica and Josh yelled cut and we were like, oh my god, that was so much fun. But I don't think there's a movie there. Was that bad? And then the first time we watched it, I'm like, how did you do that? This is, how did you build a narrative structure out of this whole thing?

And then from festivals and the, everything was just like the most fun year. Yeah. And I love to hear that. That's awesome. The coolest thing ever.

And you know, Harper and I worked together at SNL and you know, not only was it exactly about that about somebody's journey and, but it's just a journey of friendship. Like how do we allow people to change? How do we allow them to get more of themselves? What is so beautiful about the film? Is it like, doesn't shy away from that middle, middle space that allows not only Harper to talk about how she's feeling, but for you, like that middle space is always kind of like treacherous.

For sure. People get very afraid to stay there. They want to get on one side of the pool and they don't want to get it wrong. Right. And also same with Harper, like Harper is like figuring out like, where is she in this world in this space?

And the fact that you guys just kind of settled in there, it's such good storytelling. Because she gave permission. She was like, let's, you're going to make, ask them whatever. I'm going to make mistakes. You're going to make like, okay, okay, okay, are you sure?

Okay. I went about this. You know, and what a kind of wonderful piece about just friendship and just being an advocate for anyone who's going through anything. Totally. And you're going to make the universal takeaway as well.

And you team up with Harper again on the hawk, which is the name of your character, Lonnie Hawk. Lonnie Hawkins, Lonnie the hawk. Okay. Okay. Incredible.

You have an incredible look in this. Yeah. Incredible. Always a little sunburned. Always.

That little golf, golf tan. Golf tan. The great autumn butler doing your makeup for that. Yeah. Autumn Butler craft autumn pitch.

Like what if Lonnie, what if Lonnie had a little tan line like, like, and we carry it the whole series. Perfect. And I said done and done. And Parnse is in the show, right? Yes.

Well, we talked to Parnell. Okay. Yeah. We did. We talked to him before this before we started because we always try to talk well behind someone's back and we try to get a question.

And before we get to his question, let's talk about Parnell for a second. What a like what a laser focused performer. Yes. So funny. What was fun about working with him and you guys have worked together on many things for a long time and shared an office.

Yeah. Chris Parnell, comedically, yeah, he's so precise. He nails every performance, every nuance, everything. You give him a note and he just executes everything in such a funny way. And he's a really good actor.

Yes, really good actor and is so funny in this because he just plays wonderfully uptight and gets so mad throughout. We haven't screeching at times. Literally screeching. Jerry Collins is writing on the show too. Nice.

You're so great. And we were reminiscing how we had we shared the three of us here in office at SNL and for a good half of the season committee, I don't remember this committed to wearing short sleeve button down white shirts and dark tie. We dressed as NASA mission control guys. Do you remember that? Every writing Tuesday we would wear.

It was ahead of my time, I think. Oh, you weren't there. I don't think I was there yet. That's right. Yeah, I missed the fun.

It was Jerry's idea. Should we every Tuesday night on the writing night? Should we wear short sleeve button down shirts with black ties? Like we work for NASA? Yes.

Let's do that. Okay. But his question to you was who were your comedy idols growing up? I love staying up and watching the Tonight Show and I would, if there was a comedian on, I would stay and watch the right there wasn't. So that's where I would see Jerry Seinfeld for the first time.

That's where Richard Pryor, you name it. That was before cable. That was one of the few outlets to get to see comedy. And then I loved those late 70s, early 80s sitcoms. Happy days, Laverne and Shirley, all of that stuff.

I'm watching these actors be so funny, but then it felt real. How are they doing that? Like Andy Kaufman and Taxi. So it's, I didn't have that one person that I could put on a poster in my room. Yeah.

Bob Newhart. Yeah. When you worked with an elf, when you bring up the fact that when we grew up at TV, it was kind of the only place, like I didn't go to the theater. Yeah. It was the only place to kind of find out or some like comedy records.

And now, I mean, you have been, like you've been on the front line of a lot of like new media, you know, you're like, find your diet and you're like have, you know, big money players, which is a huge network of great podcasts, including Les Cultrices, which we love here. You've kind of like in our lifetime, the way people watch things and find people is so different than waiting for the one TV show at 1130 at night. Yeah. Do you, what do you get out of producing? I mean, you're always, you're always trying to encourage like young fresh voices, new POVs.

You're always doing that. Probably the same thing that you've probably gotten out of it. Just being able to lend some currency to someone who, you know, has a fresh voice or you're just like, yeah, give them a shot. Yeah. Why not?

You just cause I think you like, I mean, it's been said about you, but you love to laugh. Like you're really, you really want to laugh. I remember that when Jerry Seinfeld came to host SNL, he laughed so hard at every scotch. I was like, Jerry, do you really, you're like the most generous host I've ever seen. He's like, he's like, I just love comedy.

And I was like, that was like Jerry Seinfeld. It was a, it was a light dusting. Yeah. If you want more, you got to pay to the paywall. Go to the paywall and you'll see full sign.

I'll make up everything. But not, you can't, you'll get this for you. It's just a little dash. I do regret, regret that little dash of Joe Seinfeld. But keep it in.

Keep it in. It was just a tiny. It was so slight. It was like, because he had help it. You got to tell him.

I'm like, like, like this. But I, but I do remember going, yeah, why we should all laugh at each other. I mean, if we think it's funny. Yeah. We should all laugh.

If it's not, also sometimes if it's not funny, it's the best thing in the world. And I'll finish with this, which is one of my favorite things ever was at SNL. We would look at sketches at Bond and my most favorite sketch I've ever watched at the Bond is your Gabe Catcher, which we talked about. And for people under the age of 50, there was a gentleman named Gabe Catlin on a show called Welcome Back Cottter. How many sitcoms did I love?

Very sitcom. And he was, he was huge. He would be like, who would he like now? It would be like, it was kind of like, it was almost like equivalent of like a Larry David, maybe in a way. Yeah, sure.

If he was the teacher in a classroom with all these, and a young John Travolta. Yes. Young John Travolta, incredible. Anyway, Will does a sketch where he plays a guy. Oh, and he has a very distinct look.

Right. His look is like a very 70s. Very 70s. Big mustache, curly hair, sideburns. And Will did a sketch that went into the SNL archives that we used to pull up, not only because, and this is going right back to the beginning, Will, because watching the captain fail is, makes you feel a lot better about yourself.

But also the way in which everyone dug in deeper, the worst the sketch was going to me is like, that's true love. But Will plays a guy who, what's the premise? Premises that I am a guy who works at an office, I think we made it an insurance company, that Gabe Kaplan, the actor, is a client of. Okay. I look just like, I'm such a fan of Gabe Kaplan.

I've cultivated my look to look just like him. Right. And the sketches, it's in the break room. It's the day that Gabe Kaplan actually came into the office to sign some paperwork. And they're talking about how nice, it's John Goodman, it's Molly, it's Tim.

John Goodman, Tim Meadows and Molly. They're talking about what a nice guy. He was so cool. He was so funny. I'm like, can you guys talk about Gabe Kaplan was here?

I was like, what? Yeah. Why don't you guys come and get me? Like, what do you mean? Like, you guys, that's the reason why I'm working at this company.

And I lose it. And he starts to lose it. And there is not one left. There's the smallest left in the world, though, way up in the corner here. At one point.

So the audience, number one, you're screwed. They don't know who Gabe Kaplan is. They don't appreciate that you're dressed just like him. And they don't understand why you're mad. They don't understand why you're mad.

And the whole thrust of the sketches built off my tirade of why didn't anyone, I was in the bathroom, why didn't anyone check the bathroom? Did you not? They're like, relax. We didn't think to check the bathroom. Why wouldn't you?

You know how much he means. I wanted to meet him. What happens is Molly and you and Tim Meadows play it like a drama. You're in like, you're playing it like, who's afraid of a general? And you're both.

And Molly's going, I'm sorry I didn't tell you. And you're going, how could you go less to me? And it is the funniest and a lesson in commitment. But it's such a good example of how everyone is one thing away from bombing all the time. That's no matter who you are.

Like the bombing is so delicious. As I finish anything right now that you're like, do you watch comedy? Are you like, is there anything you're watching right now that you love? No. I know.

I was trying to search my brain. I'm always looking. I'm always looking. I'm always trying to come with something clever. I mean, right now I'm watching all the World Cup.

I'm really into it. It's very exciting. We went to one of the games out in LA. Okay, so fun. I also love when the best players play great.

It's like Messi is just playing so great. That's just fun to say. And Bobby. The M is not silent. It's not so.

You lean into it. And Bobby. And Bobby. M luxuriate in the M. Yeah.

Will Ferrell. I think we did it. I really do think we did. We talked for a long time. We really did.

Yeah. And I just... Are these real plants? These are fake plants, fake food. Gotcha.

Fake plants, fake food. I didn't want the codependent responsibility of keeping these. I felt like... Is it looked real out of the side of my eye? That's a compliment.

And I was like, oh, that's not real. So that's a compliment. You just want to be able to side it. Side eye. Is there any food over there?

Side eye. That hamburger with the sesame seed buns. Okay, let's take a look at that before we go. The sesame seed drew my eye. So this is your typical...

Take a look at that if you want to feel it. Is that a dog toy? Oh no. No. And is it come apart?

It's a... No, it doesn't. It's all glued together. It's a cheeseburger with like a rubber cheeseburger. But it looks good, right?

It looks good. Yeah. Do it. Well, thank you for being here. Thanks for doing this.

It's so great to see you. I love spending time with you. I love that you're a power player in this space now. I mean, look at me. Can't you tell?

Look at every power player. Yep. That's what sets you apart right there. Thanks, buddy. Thanks again.

Thank you, Will Ferrell, for coming. You're the best. You're the king and the goat and the captain as far as I'm concerned. And it's so, so fun to have you here. And I could have talked about all of your community choices for a very long time.

But I just want to end in this polar plunge by talking once again about Bobby and Marty Kolb, the very religious singers who sing popular songs in their own special way. Do yourself a favor and go down memory lane and watch on a gas-dire and Will Ferrell play those two weirdos. And pay attention, please, to Will's bald cap, his outfits, and his gentleness. Because I think that people know Will as these characters that kind of yell and have these like giant bursts of energy. But Marty Kolb is just, he's just very self-contained.

And it's such a funny, weird performance. And one of my favorite characters among the many that will have given us. So thank you for joining us, Will. Thank you for listening, whoever's listening. And we'll see you soon on the next one.

Okay, bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for the show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weisperman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelain, Kaya McMullen, and Elayazan Eris.

For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weisperman. Original music by Amy Miles.