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You Don't Control Innovation. You Manage It. | Harlan Bennett & Rick Fernandez

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Kodak's own engineers built the first digital camera, and its executives shelved it to protect film. The gap between having ideas and managing innovation is where organizations quietly die.In this special episode of GovCon Unscripted, Chelsea Roberts sits down with two of the people writing the international playbook for innovation management. Rick Fernandez is President of the American Network for Innovation, chairman of the US technical advisory group to ISO TC 279, and a veteran of Florida Power & Light's Deming Prize win, the first awarded outside Japan. Harlan Bennett is CEO of Ever Evolving, Inc., VP of the American Network for Innovation, and vice chair of the same US advisory group. Together they take apart the most common misreads in federal innovation: that innovation equals technology, that more ideas mean more innovation, and that a standard is just another compliance flow-down. Rick contrasts idea-driven programs (14,000 employee ideas collected, roughly 100 developed, 13,900 contributors alienated) with value-driven innovation that starts from strategic intent. Harlan shows SBIR performers how to escape the one-lane trap by validating adjacent customers before the build starts. And both make the case that ISO 56001, built on the same harmonized structure as ISO 9001, is a management system, not a control system. They also preview what's next: innovation ecosystem management, IP-sharing contracts between primes and subs, and why innovation is no longer an individual game. TIMESTAMPS00:00 Welcome and guest introductions01:00 Harlan Bennett: Ever Evolving, Inc. and the American Network for Innovation02:30 Rick Fernandez: from FPL's Deming Prize to ISO TC 27904:00 Why innovation needs standards now: the three S's07:00 Innovation is not a technology: something new that creates value09:30 The garage tinkerer problem and the one hit wonder11:00 Managing innovation vs controlling it12:00 Idea-driven vs value-driven innovation: the 14,000 ideas story14:30 Innovation portfolio management18:45 SBIR: escaping the one-lane trap23:30 The recipe: maximize value, minimize risk, resources, and time24:45 Ambidextrous organizations: innovating without dropping daily operations25:30 Case study: an innovation management office, 100 projects narrowed to 329:00 Ecosystems: innovation is no longer an individual game31:00 Primes, flow-downs, CMMC, and fair negotiations37:45 Standards as enablers, not regulations39:30 The harmonized structure: why ISO 9001 shops are halfway there42:15 Where to find Harlan and RickResources:Harlan Bennett's LinkedIn ProfileRick Fernandez's LinkedIn ProfileChelsea Roberts' LinkedIn Profile Other resources:Ever Evolving Inc. Website2020 Innovation WebsiteAmerican Network For Innovation Website 🎧 Listen now on:🔹 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/govcon-unscripted/id1766384482🔹 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1NL0kFAvmgECLTJpUZYNHy Like and follow us:🔹 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GovConUnscriptedUS🔹 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/govconunscriptedpodcast/🔹 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/govcon-unscripted/posts/🔹 Join our #govcon community: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/14618490/

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