Before It Was Mainstream

Long-time friend of the show, astronomer, computer scientist, and UFOlogist, Dr. Jacques Vallee returned with the release of his book Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times (with Chris Aubeck). Vallee shares stories of sightings throughout history and how he makes sense of the resistance to UFO research within the scientific community.  

Dr. Bob’s most highly regarded UFO researcher, Dr. Jacques Vallee joined 21st Century Radio to discuss his book Forbidden Science. Vallee worked as an astronomer, computer scientist, and a pioneer of the modern Internet, including working in the 60s with early artificial intelligence models. Vallee shares his early experiences becoming interested in UFOlogy and his life as a young man working under astronomer J. Allen Hynek’s mentorship.  

Dr. Bob interviews Nick Pope, former UFO Officer for the British Ministry of Defense, sometimes referred to as the 'real life Fox Mulder.' In his time as UFO Officer, Pope researched alien abductions, UFO sightings, and crop circles to assess potential threats to national security. He discusses his time in this role, challenges to researching UFO and media cover-ups of evidence for alien activity. Pope passed away in 2026 after spending decades championing the need for serious UFO research, making appearances on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens.  This interview originally aired in 1997. To find more Hieronimus & Co, visit the website: HieronimusAndCo.com

In this 1992 interview, Zoh and Bob spoke with Major Ed Dames in 1992, retired US Army major and founder of PSI Tech Inc, a company which provided remote viewing services. Dames developed his remote viewing capabilities under the mentorship of Ingo Swann and spent his later life teaching a technique called Technical Remote Viewing. Dames passed away in March of 2026 and we are thankful for his appearance on our show and his contributions to the field of extrasensory perception. To learn more about Hieronimus & Co, head to our website hieronimusandco.com

Theoretical Quantum PhysicIist Dr. Amit Goswami joins Zoh for an illuminating conversation on "Quantum Activism" and the healing power of integrative medicine. Goswami's commitment to scientific exploration into the unlimited potential of consciousness is remarkable this interview covers a vast array of topics - from the nature of creativity to the tension between materialism & spirituality in modern society. To learn more from Dr. Goswami, head to https://amitgoswami.org/

Jason Gregory is an author, philosopher, and teacher with expertise in Eastern philosophy and spirituality, as well as a background in Western philosophy, comparative religion, psychology, cognitive science, metaphysics, and ancient cultures. In this interview, Gregory shares exercises to develop a peaceful mind and, as a result, a peaceful world.   To learn more, head to the H&Co Website.

Sophia Christine Murphy shares her wealth of knowledge of homeopathy and anthroposophic medicine. Her approach integrates a spiritual and scientific view of illness and the body. Murphy was the director of Weleda USA for years and founded Lilipoh Magazine -- a publication geared toward "creative, green-minded, thinking individuals who have an interest in spiritual inquiry and a desire to make a difference in the world." The magazine is still active online today. To access the decades-deep wealth of knowledge at Lilipoh, head to https://lilipoh.com/

Dr. Dawson Church, PhD. is a best-selling science writer, researcher, and author.  In this conversation with Zoh, he shares his expertise on the science behind using mindfulness techniques to create our reality and resolve health challenges the biomedical model of health has struggled to address, like PTSD, anxiety, depression, and stress. Dr. Church brings a boldly integrative perspective on health informed by quantum physics, mindfulness research, and neuroscience. He is the founder of the Veterans Stress Solution and the National Institute of Integrative Health (NIH). To learn more about Dr. Church's work, listen to his podcast High Energy Health or visit https://dawsonchurch.com/   To find out more about Dr. Bob and Zoh Hieronimus, visit the Hieronimus & Co website.

Tricia McCannon is a clairvoyant and best-selling author and speaker. In this interview, Dr. Bob interviews McCannon on the unexpected, miraculous process of her writing her book Jesus: The Explosive Story of the 30 Lost Years. McCannon shares experiences of profound spiritual guidance inspiring this work which explores the years of Jesus's life outside of the few years that appear in the canonical gospels. To learn more about Tricia McCannon's work, head to https://triciamccannon.com/ Support the mission of this podcast by subscribing, leaving a review, or share this episode! You can find more about the work of Hieronimus & Co on our website.

Jennifer Gehl is an author, astrologer, trained musician, and Certified Practitioner in Acutonics -- a practice based in Traditional Chinese medicine System of vibrational sound therapy rooted in Traditional Chinese Medicine using sound resonances and vibration to heal the body, soul, and mind. In her book The Return of Planet Sedna, Gehl suggest that the time has come to heal hidden fear and pain from the great osmic cataclysms that occurred during Sedn'as last cyclical return around 12,000 years ago. An interview for those curious about astrology, living your life's destiny, and helpful insight into the journey of a healing practitioner. To learn more about Jennifer Gehl's work, visit http://soundworksbygehl.com For more Hieronimus & Co, head to http://hieronimusandco.com  

Dr. Zoh conducts a brand new interview with Dr. Stephen Post, researcher, medical professor, and currently serves as the the Director of the Center for Medical Humanities, Compassionate Care, and Bioethics at the Stony Brook University Renaissance School of Medicine and the  President of the Institute for Research on Unlimited Love. His new book Pure Unlimited Love blends rigorous science with spiritual wisdom to offer seven accessible, life-changing practices that have been proven to generate inner peace and foster connection with others. Find out more about Dr. Post's work at https://stephengpost.com/ or https://www.unlimitedloveinstitute.org/

Stephen G. Post, PhD, is among the world’s leading scholars on altruism, love, compassion, and the science of giving. In this interview, Post sits down with Dr. Zoh to discuss what happens when we listen to our dreams, as detailed in his astounding book God and Love on Route 80: The Hidden Mystery of Human Connectedness. Hieronimus & Co Online Discover more of Dr. Stephen Post's Work

In this interview, Dr. Zoh speaks with the esteemed Elder Malidoma Patrice Somé, Ph.D., just after the release of his powerful book, Of Water and the Spirit: Ritual, Magic, and Initiation in the Life of an African Shaman. Dr. Somé shares his life story, from being taken from his village and brought to a Jesuit mission school, to his subsequent commitment to upholding and teaching the knowledge and wisdom of the Indigenous Dagara people, with a focus on the crucial importance of ritual, healing through ancestral connection, and community-making. To learn more about Somé's legacy, visit malidoma.com.  To visit the Hieronimus & Co legacy, visit hieronimusandco.com

Happy Holidays to our listeners & supporters. Here's a 1995 special that appeared on the Evening Show with Zoh Hieronimus. Once a month Dr. Zoh would host an evening children's show and this one was a special event - featuring interviews with the cast from 1994's Little Rascals movie including Blake McIver Ewing (Waldo) and Brittany Ashton Holmes (Darla) and Jordan Warkol (Froggy) in part 2. Children call in to ask their favorite stars questions and Zoh's daughter Anna and her best friend Hannah co-host.

Happy Holidays to our listeners & supporters. Here's a 1995 special that appeared on the Evening Show with Zoh Hieronimus. Once a month Dr. Zoh would host an evening children's show and this one was a special event - featuring interviews with the cast from 1994's Little Rascals movie including Travis Tedford (Spanky) and Ross Bagley (Buckwheat) in part 1. Children call in to ask their favorite stars questions and Zoh's daughter Anna and her best friend Hannah co-host.

The Winter Solstice marks a powerful moment of cosmic alignment between Earth, the Sun, and the stars. In this episode, Dr. Zohara Hieronimus explores ancient solstice traditions, extraterrestrial research, and the OneMind theory to examine how consciousness, intention, and galactic cycles may influence human evolution and spiritual awakening. To hear more from Hieronimus & Co, head to https://hieronimusandco.com/   Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HieronimusandCo/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/HieronimusandCo/  

Dr. Bob interviews Dr. Matt McKay, clinical psychologist, founder of the Bay Area Trauma Recovery Clinic, and author of the Luminous Landscape of the Afterlife. After grieving the tragic death of his son, Jordan, McKay discovered his own ability to communicate with the “other side.” McKay now shares what he’s learned from Jordan about the afterlife in hopes to soothe anxiety about death for those still on Earth. Full interview on our website: http://hieronimusandco.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HieronimusandCo/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/hieronimusandco

Frequent guest of 21st Century Radio, Dr. Raymond Moody reviews the 7 aspects of "shared death experience." These reflect common reports from people who experience a kind of empathic state of consciousness at the bedside of a dying loved one. To listen to more 21st Century Radio interviews with Dr. Moody, head to his guest page on the Hieronimus & Co website. Website: http://hieronimusandco.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HieronimusandCo/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/hieronimusandco

Ghost writer Arthur Myers chats with Dr. Bob during this 1990 Dr. Bob Show Halloween special. Myers clarifies the difference between a ghost and a poltergeist and shares his favorite haunted landmarks from around the US. Make sure to also check out his appearance just months prior to this interview in which he shares more ghostly tales about celebrity specters like Mae West, Judy Garland, and John Lennon! Full-length interviews are available at the Hieronimus & Co online archive.

Zoh interviews Caiyam Carroll (known as “Cain” at the time) about his book The Spiritual Practice of Walking, Standing, Sitting and Lying Down and what it means to live a truly integrated and embodied spiritual practice. Carroll emphasizes somatic awareness as a key to being a student of our human experience and allowing life to be our teacher. Head to 21stcenturyradio.com to find the full interview and more information about Carroll.

From the cutting floor: Zoh offers clarity on how money can change the nature of the healing exchange, plus guidance for identifying the right spiritual teacher.   Follow Hieronimus & Co on social: Facebook Instagram Find full interviews on the online archive.

Dr. Zoh sits down for another new interview to discuss paranormal experiences. The Hieronimuses discussed these throughout their years on the air with the aim of normalizing the human ability to sense things that are often hard to explain: apparitions of divine beings, guidance from ancestors long deceased, or images from a past lives, for example. Plus Zoh shares her own paranormal experience and what she's learned about refining the extrasensory abilities that characterize such an occurrence. If you'd like to send in a comment or question, use the contact form at the H&Co website: https://hieronimusandco.com/podcast

Dr. Daniel Foor is a ritualist and teacher whose work helps people of all backgrounds access ancestral medicine. Foor emphasizes the reclamation of ritual arts as a method to connect with our near and distant ancestors and thus make meaning of our current incarnation. In conversation with Dr. Zoh, Daniel provides a culturally rich framework for a relationship-centered pathway toward communal healing. To hear the full interview, head to the Hieronimus & Co online archive. To find the book and learn more about Daniel Foor's work, visit ancestralmedicine.org

Jim B. Tucker, M.D. is Bonner-Lowry Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia. Up until his retirement, he was Director of the UVA Division of Perceptual Studies, where he continued the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson with children who report memories of previous lives. In this interview, Tucker joins Dr. Zoh to share his research and discuss the confounding questions of life after death, the nature of consciousness, and what happens when we listen to children.   Listen to the full episode via the Hieronimus & Co online archive.

Marcel Vogel, founder of Psychic Research Inc and influential bioenergetics researcher returned to the Dr. Bob Show just months after his first appearance to share more on his findings. Vogel dedicated his life to studying the energies of thought, prayer, and meditation and how to use crystals to amplify these energies. Vogel speaks with a few callers and shares about how the human energy field connects to that of water and the Earth. Listen to the full interview on the Hieronimus & Co website.

Dr. Marcel Vogel made his first appearance on 21st Century Radio in early 1988. A former materials scientist, Vogel founded Psychic Research Inc. just years before, dedicating the rest of his life to the study of bioenergetics, including the use of crystals for energetic healing. Vogel answers questions on how crystal formations interact with human energy, the proper way to cleanse crystals, and how they can support meditation and prayer. Finally, he conducts an on-air experiment using these principles. You can find more information about Dr. Vogel's legacy (including an archive Psychic Research Inc Newsletters) at marcelvogel.org. To listen to the full interview, head to the Hieronimus & Co online archive.

Dr. Allan J. Hamilton, M.D. joins Dr. Bob to discuss his experiences witnessing near-death experiences, premonitions, and other unexplained events in over 30 years as a neurosurgeon and how these experiences changed his perception of medicine, life, and the human spirit. These stories are shared in his book The Scalpel and the Soul: Encounters with Surgery, the Supernatural, and the Healing Power of Hope. To hear the full interview with Dr. Hamilton, head to 21stcenturyradio.com.

In this 1988 interview, Drs. Bob and Zoh talk with energetic healer, educator, author, and former NASA physicist Barbara Brennan about her research on the human energetic field. Brennan describes the nature of the aura, how it's been measured, and leads listeners through an exercise to see their own energy. A caller also shares his experience seeing the human aura. At the time, Brennan had just released her highly influential book Hands of Light: A Guide to Healing the Human Energy Field which is available now through the Barbara Brennan School of Healing.   Full episode available to stream on the Hieronimus & Co archive.

Pioneering parapsychology research, psychic, and author Ingo Swann talks to Dr. Bob about his iconic work Penetration: The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy. Originally recorded in 1999, this show features more of Swann's backstory as a participant in government-funded research and development of remote viewing practices, as well as developing theories of extraterrestrial and human telepathic abilities. In the 2-hour interview, Swann also covers a particularly emotional UFO experience. To hear this special interview in its entirety, head to 21stcenturyradio.com/archive.

Psychic, artist, and friend of the show, Ingo Swann, joins Dr. Zoh to discuss the parapsychology of mass apparitions of the Virigin Mary. Swann shares some of the stories detailed in his book The Great Apparitions of Mary and his analysis of social roles taken up by the media, witnesses, and skeptics surrounding each event. Interview originally recorded in 1996. For the full interview, visit 21stcenturyradio.com/archive

Dr. Edgar Mitchell began researching consciousness after his trip to the moon in 1971 as a part of NASA's Apollo 14 mission. In this clip from a 2018 appearance on 21st Century Radio®, Mitchell talks with Dr. Zoh Hieronimus about what happened in space and what he's learned since about the nature of consciousness, resonance, and quantum physics. Dr. Mitchell work in parapsychology carries on today through the Institute of Noetic Sciences, whose mission is "to reveal the interconnected nature of reality through scientific exploration and personal discovery." For the full interview, visit 21stcenturyradio.com Music by American Legion.

H&Co Producer Sika Wheeler sits down with Dr. Zoh to kick off the latest Hieronimus endeavor: Before It Was Mainstream, a podcast bringing Bob and Zoh's years of transformational interviews to new audiences. Dr. Zoh discusses the early days of 21st Century Radio® and the journey she and Bob weathered together to bring information about spiritual evolution to the public. Discover the Hieronimus & Co online archive at 21stcenturyradio.com Music is "Time Skipper" by American Legion.