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Cafeteria Christian
by Natalia Terfa, Emmy Kegler
Cafeteria Christian started as a place for people who love Jesus but are so over the version of Christianity that forgets love, justice, and curiosity.Hosted by Pastor Natalia Terfa and Pastor Emmy Kegler, the show is a mix of faith conversations, cultural commentary, and the beautiful, complicated mess of trying to follow Jesus in the real world. From biblical deep dives to big feelings about the world, Emmy and Natalia create a space where honesty and hope coexist.Together, we're reclaiming the term "Cafeteria Christian" — because when it comes to faith, you really can take what you like and leave the rest.
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#366 iSn'T pRiDe A sIn
Emmy and Natalia celebrate PRIDE! But isn't pride a sin? No guys. Not this kind. We promise. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#365 What Are Sacraments Anyway?
Emmy and Natalia talk about the sacraments, why we have them, and why they still matter. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#364 Rupture and Repair
Emmy and Natalia talk about repair and why it matters in relationships, maybe now more than ever. Rupture and Repair slidedeck (that was the basis of this conversation) Support us on Patreon
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#363 The Church's Weird Week
Natalia and Emmy talk about the 10 days between Ascension and Pentecost, and what they mean and what we're supposed to do with these lesser holy days. Become a Patreon Meredith Anne Miller's VBS post Natalia's Ascension Uplift
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#362 A God of War? With Dr Michael Chan
Emmy and Natalia welcome back friend of God friend of the pod Dr Michael Chan to talk about what we are supposed to think and do when God is invoked to justify violence and war. Not for any current applications or anything just, you know, because. Dr Chan's recommended reading: Facing the Abusing God by David Blumenthal Robert Jensen's commentary on Ezekiel Luther's Left-handed Kingdom Patreon
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#361 I Want to Have a Different Conversation About AI
Gird your loins as Natalia brings forward a CONTROVERSIAL take (for Emmy) about AI. Is it possible to have a nuanced conversation about something so polarizing? Church Anew Blog AOC Video Referenced Support Us on Patreon
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#359 Are We… Catholic now?
Emmy and Natalia talk about Pope Leo and how his message of peace is compelling but actually not that new and also what that means for those of us who may be wondering if agreeing with the Pope so much makes us Catholic. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#358 That's NOT God
Emmy and Natalia talk about Artemis II and Pete Hegseth and while neither of those are Jesus, one of them is definitely closer. Article Links: God Deserves All the Glory - Arthur Holquin Artemis II Is Competency... - Liz Plank Pete Hegseth's Holy War - Julia Carrie Wong Patreon
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#357 Does Easter Pass the Vibe Check? With Laura Fanucci
Natalia welcomes author and speaker Laura Fanucci to the pod to talk about Easter and Holy Week and why we shouldn't let our culture define this day and season with candy and plastic when it's so much better. Become a Patreon and support us! Find/follow Laura: www.laurakellyfanucci.com, Instagram, & motheringspirit.com Laura's new book: Living Easter Aaron's substack about moral injury and holy week
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#356 You Can't Pray Away the Anything
Emmy and Natalia talk about healing and miracles and medicine and why none of them are mutually exclusive and also why this let-Jesus-take-the-wheel way of doing healthcare is not faithful but harmful. Patreon Sawbones
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#355 Jesus Never Said "Can't We All Just Get Along"
Emmy and Natalia tackle a listener question about a parent breakup, boundaries, and a theological question about whether or not God makes all things good. (spoiler: no) www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#354 Grab Bag and Bible Translations
Emmy and Natalia talk about what's happening in the world, in Minneapolis, and then answer a listener question about Bible Translations and why there are so many and how we are supposed to even know which ones are good or not good? www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#353 In All Things… Nuance.
Emmy and Natalia talk about a listener's request for advice on leaving a church, and it leads to a deeper discussion about Two Kingdom Theology, all of which may or may not have required Emmy to put on her nuance hat a whole bunch of times. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Rent relief in MN
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#352 "The Files"
Emmy and Natalia talk a little bit about "The Files" - and what it means for us as people of faith that this kind of evil exists in the world, and what we do about the fact that justice seems so slow in coming. Content Note: This episode references child sexual abuse (no graphic detail) Housing Fund for MN Natalia on PP! Rev Aaron Fuller on Cafeteria Christian | (spotify link) Support us on Patreon
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# 351 Notes from Occupied Suburbia
Emmy and Natalia welcome longtime listener Bethany, to share with us a little bit about how Operation Metro Surge looks different in the suburbs than it does in the city, and what non-Minnesota soccer moms can do to prepare for what might come to them next. Give to MN Mutual Aid Become a Patron
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#350 We Remember Your Baptism, with Meta Herrick Carlson
Emmy and Natalia welcome very special guest Meta Herrick Carlson to talk about her new book for children: We Remember Your Baptism. We also talk about baptism generally and why it matters more than ever to lean into our belovedness right now. Patreon Meta's New Book Meta's Website
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#349 We Will Not Comply
Emmy and Natalia talk about Romans 13 and how it gets tossed around as a reason to be quiet and just comply. No thank you. Not only is it theologically bad, but it's just wrong! They'll dig into the context and history of Romans 13, and why it doesn't quite mean what you think it means. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Rev Benjamin Cremer Article
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#348 Highs and Lows in MN
Natalia and Emmy talk about the last few days in Minnesota/Minneapolis, how we're feeling, how we're showing up, and how you can all do your own thing. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#347 Find Your One Thing
Emmy and Natalia give an update from Minneapolis, talk about ways to support the communities here, and how to take care of the overwhelm many of you have told us you are feeling. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Ollie Schminkey Poem David Gate article Give: Holy Trinity Lutheran Church (Pastor Discretionary Fund) Stand With Minnesota
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#346 Not Good, But Better.
Emmy and Natalia process the escalation and violence in Minneapolis after the killing of Renee Nicole Good, and what our faith tells us about how we respond in times such as this. Unidos/Monarca St Pauls/San Pablos Give Link
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#345 Fair Game - with Ellie Roscher
Natalia welcomes back author and artist and friend of the pod friend of God Ellie Roscher to talk about her new book: Fair Game: Trans Athletes and the Future of Sports. Book Ellie's Website Previous Ellie CC Episodes (SO MANY, but here are a few): Tiny Things The Embodied Path The Body Stories Embodiment as a Spiritual Practice Search Ellie Roscher Cafeteria Christian in apple podcasts to find a whole list!
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#344 A Very Cafeteria Christmas
Emmy and Natalia create a little Christmas service video, for anyone who isn't quite feeling up to going into a church, for whatever reason. Special Musical Guests: Paul and Amy Koopman Patreon Email us questions or future episode suggestions Join us on the gram: @cafeteriachristian
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#343 23 & Me: Jesus Edition
Emmy and Natalia talk about the genealogy of Jesus and why it's just as messy (if not messier) than we are. Content Warning: adult themes, and some light talk of Santa, so keep the little ears away from this one! Patreon Email us questions or future episode suggestions Join us on the gram: @cafeteriachristian
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#342 Hope and Despair
Emmy and Natalia talk a little bit about what's happening in Minneapolis right now with our Somali community members, and also talk about why this season of Advent is hard but with a strong undercurrent of hope that we should not ignore. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Mary Did You Know: Theologian takes David Gate: A Rebellion of Care
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#341 They Tried to Bury Us: New Testament Ladies Edition
Emmy and Natalia talk NT ladies: who they are and why we don't hear about all of them, and what we can learn about God when we discover their stories. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian We Can Do Hard Things Episode Meggan Watterson
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#340 Advent Countdown (chocolate not included)
Emmy and Natalia talk about Advent, what it is and why we love it, and Emmy gets curmudgeonly about Advent calendars. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Advent Holy Land Virtual Trip
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#339 Viral Garbage and the Attention Economy
Emmy and Natalia talk about two viral moments in culture this week, and how they are connected, and how they say a lot more about where we're at spiritually than we might think. Anne Helen Peterson Link
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#338 No Kings Sunday w/Meta Herrick Carlson
Did you know there's a church holy day to declare that there are no kings but Christ? It's coming up on November 23rd, but we thought we'd give you a couple of weeks to prepare for it this year. Emmy and Natalia welcome special guest Meta Herrick Carlson so we can all nerd out together on this holy day and why it matters more than ever this year. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian www.metaherrickcarlson.com Join us this Advent!
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#337 Just Go Feed People
Emmy and Natalia talk about the Feeding Miracles of Jesus, and why they matter today as much as ever. Scripture References: Matthew 14:13-21 Luke 9: 10-17 Mark 6: 30-44 John 6: 1-14 https://venmo.com/u/cafeteriachristian www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#336 Confession: you're not inherently sinful
Emmy and Natalia answer a listener email about sin and confession and if we're all inherently bad or good. You know, light easy topics, just in time for Halloween. CW: church language around inherent sinfulness. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Join us & Mary Danho this Advent KPDH Blog post
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#335 Hot Take Chips
Emmy and Natalia talk about how everyone always needs to comment about everything, and wonder together what it might look like if we all practiced having more unexpressed thoughts. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Kelly Latimore Ben Wildflower
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#334 I'm Going To Steal The Infancy Gospel of Thomas
Summary: Get ready for an auditory Powerpoint presentation on supernatural horror flicks and non-canonical gospels because Emmy took the wheel on this one re the forthcoming release of The Carpenter's Son, a supernatural horror film based on (we're not kidding) the Infancy Gospel of Thomas and starring Nicolas Cage as Jesus' father Joseph. The Carpenter's Son Trailer Nic Cage hunts for the Holy Grail The Five Gospels Infancy Gospel of Thomas in translation Fun fact skipped for time: The oldest existing fragment of the IGT might be a student's handwriting practice www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#333 Micah: the OG Doom Scroll
Emmy and Natalia set aside current events (and big feelings about current events) to talk about the biblical book of the prophet Micah and discover that actually, not a lot has changed since 700 BCE. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#332 The Seven Heavenly Virtues (Finally!)
Emmy and Natalia finally talk about the Seven Heavenly Virtues, and wonder if they even really matter at all? www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#331 Why Is No One Ok?
Emmy and Natalia continue the conversation from last week, about why everything feels like too much, and what we are trying to do about it. Links: https://substack.com/@dianabutlerbass/note/c-157891892?r=3g6zg&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
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#330 Tragedy, Hot Takes, Stupid Joys, and What Is Ours To Do
Emmy and Natalia talk about the death of Charlie Kirk, the outpouring of hot takes, and how it might not be good for us that everyone feels like they needs to care about all the things all the time. Consider supporting our show. Not to get any free stuff of perks (though you can see video of this podcast if you're a patron), but support us because it matters to you that this podcast continues. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#329 Seven Deadly Sins, pt. 2
Emmy and Natalia finally come back to wrap up the seven deadly sins with wrath, envy, and pride. Also included, Natalia's rant about Psalm 46 and when cherry-picking goes wrong. Links: Substack article about not being able to maintain the moral high ground: https://open.substack.com/pub/elisedenbasco/p/on-white-covid-cautious-queers?r=3g6zg&utm_medium=ios Natalia's uplift: https://nataliaterfa.substack.com/ Support us! www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#328 Thoughts. Prayers. Despair. Rage.
Emmy and Natalia process their big feelings around the school shooting in Minneapolis this last week, and how we're trying to hold more than despair. Links talked about it today's episode: Tolstoy and Trump Substack: https://substack.com/home/post/p-171917579 Glennon and Abby chat: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNit0TKtDgY/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MTNoajNtN2pudDVybA== Moms Demand Action: https://momsdemandaction.org/ Everytown: https://www.everytown.org/
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#327 Should We Celebrate When Someone Dies?
Emmy and Natalia take a little pause in their Seven Deadly Sins series to talk about the death of James Dobson and what to do when we have conflicting feelings about it. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#326 Seven Deadly Sins Pt 1
This week, Emmy and Natalia begin a multipart series on the 7 deadly sins. What are they? How did they come about? Why do they matter, if at all? Dig into gluttony, greed, and lust with us (yey?) in part 1! Link: www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#325 Rest Is Not a Deadly Sin
Emmy and Natalia are back after their summer break and catching up on all things rest, sabbath, and holding peace while we navigate the dumpster fire that is the daily news cycle. http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#324 A Rebellion of Care w/ David Gate
Natalia and Emmy welcome poet and artist David Gate, to talk about his new book of poems and essays called "A Rebellion of Care." Links: https://www.davidgatepoet.com/
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#323 Outside Safe Space with Mikah Meyer
On our last episode of Pride Month, Emmy and Natalia welcome travel expert, speaker, and advocate Mikah Meyer to talk about his three year 419 National Park Service journey, as well as his current projects and why it matters to create safe spaces outdoors too. http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Links: www.mikahmeyer.com Interactive Map: www.mikahmeyer.com/map Outdoor Safe Space Merch: https://www.mikahmeyer.com/adventurepride Documentary: https://www.mikahmeyer.com/documentary Video of Mikah finishing his three year journey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVaQVhm-vbE Find the closest National Park Service Site near you: nps.gov
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#322 Saints, Icons, and a Beef with Bridget, w/Erik Nelson
Emmy and Natalia are joined by friend of the pod friend of God Erik Nelson to nerd out on the saints and icons and why it matters to know their names and their stories. Not just as histories but for our own understanding of what it means that God is still speaking through saints today as well. Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Follow Erik on Instagram: @sverike
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#321 Find Your Pretzel
It's Pride month, and it feels even more important than ever to speak up and support our LGBTQ+ siblings. Emmy and Natalia process a moment that Emmy recently had during a Q&R (question and response), and how to respond when someone comes at you hard using the Bible as their defense. Links: President Bartlett's takedown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CPjWd4MUXs Support our show! www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#23 (Repost): The Drive-Thru Cheeseburger Principle
To kick off our Pride month discussions we're bringing back an oldie but a goodie: episode 23, Emmy's first appearance on the podcast way back in January 2019. Natalia, Nora McInerny, and Emmy talk "welcoming" vs "affirming," reclaiming the word "queer," and what to do with "Bam Bam Christians" who are just a little too into the "clobber verses" of the Bible. Links: www.patreon.com/cafeteriachistian Venmo: @cafeteriachristian
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#320 No Mega-Church May (June) part 3: The Church Search
Emmy and Natalia continue the conversation about finding a church fit, what your search might lead you into, and why you might not want to church search at all. Links: www.patreon.com/cafeteriachistian Venmo: @cafeteriachristian
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#319 No Mega-Church May
We asked, and you all responded! This week Emmy and Natalia read and talk about the ways Cafeterians have church shopped and how it went. www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#318 No Mega-Church May
Emmy and Natalia answer our most commonly asked listener question about churches and how to find a "good" church that also is safe, but also has good music, and also good preaching, and and and and and. Links: www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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#317 Practicing Being Human w/ Beth Silvers
Emmy and Natalia welcome Beth Silvers of Pantsuit Politics to spend a little time talking about the intersections of faith and politics and why we haven't given up on either just yet. Links: Pantsuit Politics: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/ Sarah Bessey Article: https://sarahbessey.substack.com/p/are-we-still-calling-ourselves-christians www.patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Cafeteria Christian started as a place for people who love Jesus but are so over the version of Christianity that forgets love, justice, and curiosity.Hosted by Pastor Natalia Terfa and Pastor Emmy Kegler, the show is a mix of faith conversations, cultural commentary, and the beautiful, complicated mess of trying to follow Jesus in the real world. From biblical deep dives to big feelings about the world, Emmy and Natalia create a space where honesty and hope coexist.Together, we're reclaiming the term "Cafeteria Christian" — because when it comes to faith, you really can take what you like and leave the rest.
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