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by Jamil Ellis and Ronald Ellis
In this podcast, Jamil Ellis talks with his father, retired Federal Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis, about the historical role of law in shaping the societal structures which act as barriers to attaining the American dream. They discuss why "legal" is not a synonym for "moral" and why law, a prime actor in creating the problems, can and should be a part of the solution. Join them as they talk about wealth, voting, education, criminal justice and other topics which divide the nation.https://ellisconversations.tumblr.com/
Episodes
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Choosing "The Lesser Evil"
Choosing "The Lesser Evil" In this episode, the hosts discuss how the phrase "Lesser of two Evils" has been overworked in the election context. It has been applied when one or neither of the choices meets the definition of "evil" but rather the view of the voter that both candidates are flawed in...
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Jason Arday, DEI, and the New Eugenics
Original Intent: How traditionally excluded people are targeted for removal when they show up in "the wrong space." In this episode, the Hosts discuss the case of Jason Arday and why history suggests that the intense scrutiny and media coverage he faced may not be simply a concern about...
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Quick Take: Taxing Diversity Out of Education
The Trump administration has opened a new front in its campaign against diversity, equity, and inclusion: the federal tax code. In this mini episode of Ellis Conversations, Jamil Ellis and retired Federal Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis respond to a proposed Treasury Department and IRS rule that...
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Artificial, but not Intelligent: How biased data can affect AI employment models.
In this episode of Ellis Conversations, Jamil Ellis and retired Federal Magistrate Judge Hon. Ronald L. Ellis continue their two-part conversation on employment discrimination, civil-rights enforcement, and the future of equal opportunity. Part One looked at the history of employment…
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In Sheep's Clothing: When facially neutral policies and practices mask intentional discrimination
In this episode of Ellis Conversations, Jamil Ellis and retired Federal Magistrate Judge Hon. Ronald L. Ellis begin a two-part conversation on employment discrimination, civil-rights enforcement, and the future of equal opportunity in America. Prompted by recent reporting on the Trump...
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The American Dream at 250
In this episode, the Hosts discuss America's struggle to make real the promise of equality embodied in its founding documents depite periodic efforts to restrict who should be able to live that dream. Supreme Court TPS Ruling
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Loving Day, The Warren Court, The rights they want to erase
In this episode of Ellis Conversations, co-host Jamil Ellis sits down again with his father, retired federal magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis, to mark Loving Day — the anniversary of Loving v. Virginia, the 1967 Supreme Court case that struck down bans on interracial marriage. What starts as a...
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Deliberate, But No Speed: How Supreme Court rulings have allowed public schools to remain segregated seventy years after Brown v. Board.
The hosts discuss how desegregation under Brown was hampered in schools by a policy of "all deliberate speed" where the speed was often zero. In contrast, and despite the fact that in large portions of the nation education is separate and unequal, the Trump administration has begun an "all speed...
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The Company Trump Keeps: From David Duke to The Proud Boys to Project 2025 – Intended Consequences
In this episode, the hosts discuss Project 2025 and its potential impact in a Donald Trump administration. Heritage Foundation and Trump https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations Biden's Judicial Appointments...
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Voting is a Fundamental Right: Exercise It; You'll Make It Stronger
In this episode, the hosts begin a series of discussions on the historical significance of voting, efforts to prevent some groups from voting, and why you should exercise your right to vote even if you don't like the choices. Do what you can, where you are, with what you have. Southern Strategy -...
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States Rights, Legal Wrongs: A Recurring Page from the Segregationist Playbook
In this episode, the hosts discuss the history of invoking some form of States' Rights theory to limit the efforts of the federal government to expand or protect the rights of persons within the United States Southern Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto Mississippi State...
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Claudine Gay: The Latest Victim in the Debate over DEI, Affirmative Action, and Meritocracy
In this episode, the hosts discuss the controversy concerning the Resignation of Harvard president Claudine Gay.Is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion undermining merit or does it address a history of Discrimination, Exclusion, and Inequality. Claudine Gay's Resignation The Claudine Gay Debacle Was...
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From Jamestown to Charlottesville: Virginia and America's racial divide
In this episode, the hosts discuss the leading role that Virginia has played in the racial divide in America's history. Home to the Founding Fathers and Capital of the Confederacy, the state has been the crucible of the ideals which built this country and the ideas which would tear it apart....
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Holding the Line: Sandra Day O'Connor's legacy of bringing stability to the Supreme Court by protecting its established precedents.
In this episode, the hosts discuss Justice O'Connor's role as the "swing vote" as the Court addressed major fault lines in our society on issues such as abortion, affirmative action, and gender equality. Planned Parenthood v. Casey https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/505/833/ Grutter v....
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Black History: Never Equal; Never Protected: Up North to Indiana
In this episode, the hosts continue examining how specific states have addressed racial equality, Black history, and White Supremacy. In this episode, they travel outside the Deep South, and focus on the state of Indiana – Klan Capital and home of Sundown Towns. LINKS IN THIS EPISODE Links for...
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Black History: Never Equal; Never Protected - First Stop: Florida
In this episode, the hosts begin a series of episodes examining how specific states have addressed the racial equality, Black history, and White Supremacy. First stop: Florida. LINKS IN THIS EPISODE Smithsonian Magazine...
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Colorblind Remedies for Color-Conscious Wrongs
Photo Credit : Encyclyopedia Britanica In this program, the hosts discuss the Supreme Court's decision to forbid race-conscious affirmative action approaches to achieve diversity n higher education. The discussion contrasts Justice Roberts' pronouncement that decisions should be color-blind with...
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Not in Our Stars, but in Ourselves: How The Supreme Court Undermined Its Own Reputation
Image Credit: Collection of the Supreme Court of the United States In this episode, the hosts discuss the Roberts Court's failure to adhere to precedent and the effect this is having on the public's confidence in the Supreme Court. Respect for precedents and the application of the principle of...
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The Fire This Time: Black History Surviving in the Time of Modern-Day Book Banning
Photo credit: Afro.com EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss Black History and the historical use of book burning, book banning, and other methods to suppress inconvenient truths. False narratives flourish when voices remain silent are have been removed from the discussion. To…
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Martin Luther King: Waiting on His Dream
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss why Martin Luther King should not be limited by a selection of words from the "I Have a Dream" speech delivered in 1963, and how he pointed out the failings of America, confronted those in power, and challenged them to make that dream a reality.…
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They Don't Dare Call It Treason: Our House is Under Attack. Where's POTUS?
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the actions and inactions of Donald Trump during the January, 6 2021 attack on the Capitol and why letting it go unpunished is not a positive option. A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE Where we stand on the Trump's actions (or lack thereof)…
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Whose Constitution Is It, Anyway?: Originalism vs. The Living Constitution
Photo by Anthony Garand on Unsplash EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the Supreme Court's upcoming decisions on the Constitutionality of Affirmative Action and the power of state legislatures to draw Congressional district lines without judicial review. Originalists say let's...
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Inflation Reduction Act of 2022; A new hope for Black communities that have been divided, deprived, and denied opportunities to accumulate wealth
EPISODE SUMMARY The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022: A new hope for Black communities that have been divided, deprived, and denied opportunities to accumulate wealth. In this episode, the hosts discuss various policies and practices which have adversely affected Black communities and hindered the...
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From Loving vs Virginia to Roe vs Wade: Who gets to decide which rights get protected for Americans
Photo Credit: NYTimes.com EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss how the Loving v. Virginia decision barred States from prohibiting marriages because of the race of the participants, and the historical problem of "letting the States decide" the reach of the Equal Protection Clause of...
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Brown vs. Board of Ed Anniversary
Photo credit: AP Images for Britannica.com EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, we're going to focus on one of the most talked about cases in Supreme Court history. On May 17 1954, in a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court held in Brown versus Board of Education, that in the field of public…
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Qualified: Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, JCrew, and Jim Crow: Mind Your Place
Photo above by Greg Nash, TheHill.com In this episode, the hosts discuss the unusual things said in opposition to Judge Jackson's appointment to the Supreme Court and how it fits a historical pattern of marginalizing Black women and downplaying their accomplishments to foster notions of...
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Affirmative Action: How We Got To Now
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the origins of Affirmative Action and the conditions and attitudes which compelled governmental and private institutions to take steps to combat lack of progress in dismantling segregation in American life. A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE...
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Gifted and Talented Programs: So many children left behind
Photo Credit: Zach Vessels In this episode, the hosts discuss the gifted and talented program, specialized schools, and charter schools in the NYC school system, and how they undermine - perhaps by design - the ability and the will to ensure that every public school student receives an equal...
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Don't Bother Me With Facts; I Know Truth: Why Combatting Bias is Hard
Photo by Michael Carruth on Unsplash In this episode, the hosts discuss sociological and psychological factors which sustain our biases. Topics include Confirmation Bias; tolerance of Hate Speech; support for False Equivalents; and the Dunning-Kruger, or Lake Wobegon Effect. Confirmation Bias...
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The Assault on Critical Race Theory
Photo by Tasha Jolley on Unsplash In this episode, the hosts discuss the new legislative "ad campaign" attacking the teaching of Critical Race Theory, which seeks to honestly analyze the impact of law, race, and history on American institutions. These new legal initiatives seek to outlaw…
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It wasn't only Tulsa
Photo by Nadine Shaabana Repost of our episode on Stolen History EPISODE SUMMARY America has historically had a short attention span when it comes to racial inequality. There has been a tendency to get riled up over episodes of intolerable racism, but (1) allowing the righteous indignation to…
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Technology and Justice: Medicine and algorithms
Photo by Obi - @pixel6propix on Unsplash In this episode, the hosts discuss the nation's history of medical experimentation, false beliefs about racial differences, and racial disparities in health care which have negatively impacted Black communities and led to significant gaps in life outcomes....
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Technology and Justice: Algorithmic Dangers in Facial Recognition, Jobs, and Education
Photo by Markus Spiske on Unsplash In this episode, the hosts continue their discussion on the pitfalls at the intersection of technology and justice, including the use of facial recognition software which doesn't recognize Black faces and the story of a teacher lauded by human observers but...
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Technology and Justice - Embedding our past in our future
In this episode, the hosts begin the discussion on the increasing use of mathematical algorithms to crunch Big Data to predict future outcomes. This data, however, includes societal biases and embed our flawed past into our future lives. Today: Criminal Justice and the self-fulfilling prophecy of...
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For the People Act of 2021
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the HR 1: For the People Act of 2021 and its provisions to make voting safe , simple, and secure for all citizens. At the same time, efforts in more than forty states to place even more roadblocks on exercising the franchise highlight the need…
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The role of our government representatives
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss philosophies about the interplay of loyalty to "constituents" and the role of conscience for elected officials. In the context of impeachment, they ask whether senators appropriately followed their oaths both as senators and as impeachment jurors...
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The Capital riot and social justice protests
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the stark contrast between the preparation for the Black Lives Matter protest in June 2020 and that for the Insurrection on January 6, 2021. This difference has its historical roots in unfounded racial fears about Black anger and demands for…
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Short coversation on COVID relief legislation
EPISODE SUMMARY A short discussion on debate around upcoming COVID release bill LINKS IN THIS EPISODE Follow Ellis Conversations on Twitter Follow Judge Ronald Ellis on Twitter Follow Jamil Ellis on Twitter Follow Jamil Ellis on LinkedIn Check out Unified Ground Check out BlackHistoryChatGPT...
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Reaction to Biden's executive orders
EPISODE SUMMARY Retired Federal Magistrate Judge the Honorable Ronald Ellis on President Biden's executive orders this week. Tune into Ellis Conversations to hear more conversation on the intersection of law, history, and race. Next episode we tackle the capital riots and their historical context...
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John Lewis Voting Rights Act - It's time for action
Photo Credit: Getty Images There is no Negro problem. There is no Southern problem. There is no Northern problem. There is only an American problem. And we're here tonight, as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans were met here as Americans to solve that problem. -Lyndon B. Johnson EPISODE...
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A New Hope: The Search for Truth and Domestic Tranquility
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the divergent realities that challenge the Biden administration. Alternate "facts" and false equivalents create a toxic atmosphere of "us versus them" which imperils any attempt to find common ground. The process of change requires an embrace of…
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Bending the Arc Towards Justice: Next Steps
EPISODE SUMMARY After completing one year of discussions about history, societal realities, and legal frameworks, the hosts reflect on next steps. Pack the Court? End the filibuster? If you get the power to establish reforms without the need for the other side, is there reason to be cautious when...
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The Hands That Rock The Cradle: Donald Trump, the Supreme Court, and the Federalist Society.
EPISODE SUMMARY In 2016, Donald Trump promised to cede his Constitutional duty to appoint Supreme Court justices to the Federalist Society. In this episode, the hosts discuss the influence and motivation of this organization, whose origin and rise is explored in the 2019 PBS Frontline episode...
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The Power of Judicial Dissent: Justice Ginsburg and the Promise of a Better Tomorrow
EPISODE SUMMARY "I like to think most of my dissents will be the law someday," Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg told a lecture audience in 2015. In this episode, the hosts discuss the important role of reasoned dissents at the Supreme Court. Justice Ginsburg continued and refined a tradition…
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The Tyranny of Compromise
Photo Credit: Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, public domain EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss how parties misuse power to pervert the mechanism of compromise. Rather than reaching a result that is in the best interests of the persons affected, one side chooses…
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Finding the Real Kamala Harris: Black Women, Politics, and Stereotypes
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss how Black women face dual challenges at the intersection of race and gender bias in our society, particularly when they seek positions of power and influence. In politics, the opponent often foregoes the complexity of actual issues in favor of…
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Justice Dismayed
Photo by AP Photo EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss ideas attributed to Clarence Thomas in a recent book. The topics run the gamut from the efficacy of affirmative action and voting rights to the possibility of capitalism and the Second Amendment being the keys to Black…
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Protest, Narrative, and the Pursuit of Justice
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts explore the dynamics of narrative control, how forces within our system use power and influence to redirect discussions about social issues. We wind up talking more about how we protest than why we're protesting. This process limits our ability to effect...
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Ellis Conversations on LaMaMa Livetalks
EPISODE SUMMARY La MaMa presents La MaMa LiveTalks, conversations with artists, activists and thought leaders from around the country and around the world who join in discussions about art and life in times of crisis. The hosts of Ellis Conversations, Jamil Ellis and his father, retired Federal...
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Role of Protest in Fostering Change
EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode, the hosts discuss the role of protest in fostering change and the limits of using courts to address systemic problems. They also explore how the success of protests often depends on the ability to rally popular support for the cause while avoiding attempts to...
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In this podcast, Jamil Ellis talks with his father, retired Federal Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis, about the historical role of law in shaping the societal structures which act as barriers to attaining the American dream. They discuss why "legal" is not a synonym for "moral" and why law, a prime actor in creating the problems, can and should be a part of the solution. Join them as they talk about wealth, voting, education, criminal justice and other topics which divide the nation.https://ellisconversations.tumblr.com/
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