Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
by Liminal Podcasts
The Fathoms podcast is about serious work for unserious humans. We dive deep into the topics that make us human. Whether it's the Enneagram or just learning to ask better questions. There's never a shortage of gravity or levity, so hit play, let's get to it!
Episodes
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54 Years with the Jesuit Enneagram | Dr. Jerome P Wagner PHD and Patrick O'Leary
A bonus episode, recorded at the International Enneagram Association conference in Minneapolis. Creek, Abram, Lindsey, and Lee sat down with Dr. Jerome Wagner and Patrick O'Leary — two Jesuits who first met the Enneagram in a Chicago graduate seminar in the early 1970s, taught by a famously dull...
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The Grand Finale: Reflections on Season Five of Fathoms
The culmination of our fifth season encapsulates a profound exploration of growth through the lens of the Enneagram, revealing that true development demands a nuanced understanding of oneself and others. Throughout this season, we endeavored to showcase the diverse schools of thought within the...
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Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 2)
In Part 2, we unpack our thoughts on what the Enneagram teachers shared in our last episode. You'll hear us compare and contrast the models, and share what resonated with us, as well as what we'd like to see evolve, and we explore how we plan to synthesize all we've learned and carry it forward.…
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Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 1)
As we begin wrapping up season 5, we're answering the question, "What now?" We've looked at all seven types through the lens of three influential models, but how do we actually apply it? As we say our goodbyes, we ask our six teachers how their models contribute to growth and transformation, as...
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Type 7: The Pursuit of Freedom, Possibility, and Joy
The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Type Seven within the Enneagram framework, characterized by their intrinsic desire for excitement and aversion to emotional pain. We delve into the complexities of the Seven's experience, emphasizing the multifaceted…
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Type 6: The Search for Security, Certainty, and Courage
The salient focus of our discourse today revolves around the exploration of Type 6 within the Enneagram framework, characterized predominantly by a quest for security and an instinctive response to perceived threats. Throughout this episode, I engage with nine distinguished speakers, each...
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Type 5: The Quest for Knowledge, Understanding, and Self-Sufficiency
The focal point of today's discourse revolves around the Enneagram Type Five, characterized by their profound inclination towards detachment and observation as a means of navigating an overwhelmingly stimulating world. We delve into the complexities inherent in the Five’s experience, particularly...
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A Preview of IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
In this special collaborative episode with Do It for The Gram, the International Enneagram Association Podcast and Fathoms, Milton Stewart is joined by Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lindsey Marks and Lee Fields as they preview the upcoming IEA Enneagram Experience 2025 - Global Conference and...
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Type 4: The Longing for Depth, Authenticity, and Uniqueness
The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Enneagram Type Four, often perceived as the individualistic or romantic type, characterized by a profound longing for identity and uniqueness. Our discussion delves into the complexities of the emotional landscape of…
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Type 3: The Pursuit of Success, Identity, and Value
This podcast episode delves into the complexities of the Enneagram Type 3, also known as "The Achiever." We explore the dichotomy of striving for excellence while grappling with the inherent anxieties of performance and recognition. A special guest, Vanessa Fernandez, shares her personal journey…
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Type 2: The Heartfelt Drive to Give, Support, and Connect
The primary focus of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Enneagram Type 2, often referred to as "the Helper." We delve into the intricacies of this type, examining the motivations that drive individuals characterized by this type to seek connection and affirmation through…
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Type 1: The Pursuit of Goodness, Integrity, and Order
The focal point of this podcast episode is a thorough exploration of Type One in the Enneagram, often referred to as the "Reformer" or "Perfectionist." This discussion encompasses the characteristics of Type One, such as their principled nature, commitment to integrity, and the relentless pursuit...
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Lindsey's Not A Two
Lee Fields joins as Lindsey discusses the realization that she was mistyped as a Type Two. This conversation highlights that identifying an Enneagram type is a lot harder than people think, so mistyping can happen. Initially thinking she was a Type Two, Lindsey shares why she thought she fit into...
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Type 9: The Significance of Peace, Presence, and Harmony
In our discourse on Enneagram Type Nine, we collectively unpack the layers of the Peacemaker's identity, guided by the insights of my fellow speakers. We begin by defining pivotal terms such as 'type', 'strategy', and 'pattern', which serve as foundational concepts for our exploration. The...
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Type 8: Power to Control, Connect and Protect
This episode delves into the intricate dimensions of the Enneagram Type 8, characterized by its assertive and dynamic nature. We engage in a profound discussion with Mandy Capehart, who shares her personal insights and experiences, illuminating the complexities of navigating grief and power in...
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Instincts, Instinctual Biases and Subtypes: A Primer
The core focus of this episode revolves around the intricate dynamics of the instincts, or instinctual biases within the Enneagram framework, specifically addressing the distinctions between the various schools of thought on this subject. We examine the varying perspectives offered by our…
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The History of the Enneagram: Model, Myth or Method for Change?
This podcast episode delves into the rich and complex history of the Enneagram, highlighting its origins and the various schools of thought that have shaped its understanding today. The conversation explores how the Enneagram serves as both a tool for personal growth and a map for navigating…
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Introduction | The Evolution of the Enneagram
Season five of the podcast marks an exciting new chapter as the hosts dive deep into the Enneagram, exploring its nuances through the lens of three primary schools of thought: the Riso Hudson School, the Narrative Enneagram, and the Awareness to Action approach. This season aims to clarify the...
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Trailer | Season 5: The Evolution of the Enneagram
Join us January 16th for our biggest season yet! In true Fathoms form, we'll be diving into EVERYTHING Enneagram! This will be the first and only stop for everyone trying to get a taste of all things Enneagram, from the history, types, and the most important growth! You'll get to hear from...
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How To Say Goodbye with Drew Moser
Drew's departure from the Fathoms podcast marks a significant transition for everyone involved, as they reflect on the challenges and growth that come with saying goodbye. Throughout the conversation, Drew shares his journey of reinventing himself after losing his job and the emotional…
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Bonus | Leslie Flood Hershberger on Shadow Work and Personal Transformation
Leslie Flood Hershberger joins the Fathoms podcast to discuss the Enneagram and its profound implications on personal development, particularly in the context of navigating the second half of life. The conversation begins with Leslie reflecting on her own journey with the Enneagram, a tool she...
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Bonus | Being More than Your Type with Sandra C. Smith
In this episode, we talk to Sandra C. Smith, an Enneagram teacher, about her new book, The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type. [2:44] Getting to know Sandra through summer-themed questions [8:26] Sandra’s personal journey with the Enneagram [12:19] Sandra’s teachers, their...
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Finale | Revisiting Ego & Essence with Russ Hudson & Mario Sikora (Part 2)
Here’s Part 2 of our Season Finale: Revisiting Ego & Essence. To end our season, we have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on these often used, often misunderstood concepts. Lee Fields joins the Fathoms crew for this conversation, which always...
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Finale | Revisiting Ego & Essence with Russ Hudson & Mario Sikora (Part 1)
It’s here! Part 1 of our season finale: Revisiting Ego & Essence. To end our season, we have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on these often used, often misunderstood concepts. Lee Fields joins the Fathoms crew for this conversation, which...
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Conversation | Trauma Series Debrief
Today we debrief our three-episode series on trauma. If you haven’t listened to those interviews with Sharon K. Ball, Dr. B, and Miles Adcox, be sure to check them out! We also talk about our next episode, where we revisit the concepts of ego and essence. In that episode we’re joined by enneagram...
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Interview | Trauma: Approaching Pain as a Process with Miles Adcox
Today we finish our series of conversations on trauma and personhood with Miles Adcox. He is the Chairman and Owner of Onsite, an internationally-known emotional wellness lifestyle brand that delivers life-changing personal growth workshops, digital mental health master classes, emotionally smart...
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Interview | Trauma: Victimhood and True Resilience with Dr. Kristin Beasley
We continue our series on trauma and personhood with another conversation with Dr. Kristin Beasley. Dr. B is a clinical psychologist who specializes in trauma and early childhood development. Dr. B helps us clarify terms such as “victim” and “victimhood.” She provides practical insight on how to...
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Interview | Trauma: Trauma Before Type with Sharon K. Ball
In this first episode on trauma, we interview Sharon K. Ball. Licensed therapist and enneagram professional who specializes in trauma and the enneagram. Sharon is the author of Reclaiming You: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience. [1:10] Abram asks Sharon for her “top strength in...
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Reflection | Ideology: Developing Courage & Curiosity
In this episode, we reflect upon our recent conversation with singer/songwriter Andy Squyres. If you haven't listened to that episode, go check it out and then come back and reflect with us. We look forward to our next topic, trauma and personhood. Andy’s Instagram post that inspired our...
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Interview | Ideology: Testing the Paradigms that Shape Us
In this episode, we’re joined by singer/songwriter Andy Squyres (or “song doula” to Linz). Andy is a brilliant creative and a deep thinker who challenges our assumptions about the enneagram and the broader self help world. Andy is familiar with the enneagram but by no means a practitioner. He’s…
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Reflections | Aging: Holding Close and Letting Go
Wrapping up our mini-series on aging and personhood, the Fathoms hosts reflect upon our episodes with the wonderful and wise Clare Loughrige. They also look ahead to our upcoming conversation with poet/musician Andy Squyres, who has some major and important critiques of the enneagram. Join our...
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Interview | Aging: A Meditation on Grief & Letting Go with Clare Loughrige
In this episode, we have the second of our 2 part conversation with enneagram author and teacher Clare Loughrige. Lindsey talks with Clare about the aging process and how it impacts the dynamics of personhood, especially the “Third Act” of life. Stick around to the end of this one, as Clare...
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Interview | Aging: The Gift of the Third Act with Clare Loughrige
In this episode, we have the first of an incredible 2 part conversation with enneagram author and teacher Clare Loughrige. We talk to Clare about the aging process and how it impacts the dynamics of personhood, especially the “Third Act” of life. Have a listen and be on the lookout for part 2 of...
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Reflections | Chronic Illness: Embracing Limitation
In this episode, the Fathoms hosts reflect upon our previous two episodes focused on chronic illness. If you haven’t listened to our conversations with Brook Gurrad and K.J. Ramsey, stop what you’re doing right now and have a listen. The hosts also ask for your help on an upcoming episode, and...
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Bonus | 100 Episodes & an Announcement
In this episode, the Fathoms co-hosts, are joined by Lee Fields and Milton Stewart to celebrate Fathoms’ 100th episode and to announce and exciting new partnership with the IEA as temporary hosts of the International Enneagram Association Podcast for this year’s global conference. Listen as they...
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Interview | Chronic Illness: Becoming An Empathetic Witness with KJ Ramsey
We continue the conversation on chronic illness and personhood with our friend, the brilliant author and therapist, K.J. Ramsey. K.J. offers profound and practical wisdom on suffering and chronic illness, and she's ennea-fluent. Her books include: This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering...
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Interview | Chronic Illness: When Health Means Standing Still with Brooke Gurrad
Interview | Chronic Illness: When Health Means Standing Still with Brooke Gurrad In this episode, we interview Brooke Gurrad of The Bonus Years Podcast. Brooke is an important voice in telling the story of those who live with chronic illness. She has profound wisdom to share about the dynamics of...
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Reflections | Race: The Bypassed and The Bypassing
Reflections | Race: The Bypassed and The Bypassing Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @_creekmore Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram Follow...
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Interview | Race: Living by the Platinum Rule with Dr. Deborah Egerton
In this episode, we interview Dr. Deborah Egerton (Dr. E). Dr. E is a Diversity, Equity, & Anti-racism Specialist, Author, Executive Coach, Keynote Speaker, and Culture Transformation & Leadership Development Expert. Dr. E. brings all kinds of brilliance and new insights on the enneagram [1:40]...
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Interview | Race: Embracing our Armor with Chichi Agorom
In this episode, we continue our series on race and the enneagram and interview Chichi Agorom, author of the brilliant book, The Enneagram for Black Liberation. [0:45] What’s energizing Chichi right now? [3:00] The importance of considering the collective, not just the individual, when using the...
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Interview | Race: Intersectionality & Privilege with Danielle Fanfair
In this episode, we interview consultant, author, and enneagram teacher Danielle Fanfair. Danielle is full of wisdom and possesses a fierce compassion in exploring some of the more challenging aspects of race and personality. [1:15] A bit about Danielle’s enneagram certification program and why…
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Interview | Race: Socialization & Shortcomings of the Enneagram with Jessica D. Dickson
In this episode, we interview Jessica Dickson. Jessica is an enneagram teacher and host of the Antiracist Enneagram Podcast. Jessica’s wisdom on socialization and its impact on the enneagram is profound. Enjoy! 2:35 A bit about Jessica’s work with clients 3:30 A bit about Jessica’s podcast: The...
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Reflections | Culture & the Enneagram
Reflections | Culture & the Enneagram Today we’re debriefing our last two episodes on the overlays of culture and the enneagram, sharing what we learned, and setting up what’s coming next in season 4! 0:40 Why we aren’t a morning show 2:33 What surprised us about our conversations with Maria Jose...
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Interview | Culture: Expanding Our Fluency with Chin Ai Oh
In this interview, we interview enneagram teacher Chin Ai Oh. Chin Ai lives and words in Malaysia and has a lot of wisdom to share on expanding our cultural fluency when using the enneagram. 2:00 Who is Chin Ai? 4:00 The last time Chin Ai ate Durian. 6:00 Chin Ai’s enneagram origin story 10:45…
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Interview | Culture: Expanding Our Definitions with Maria Jose Munita
Maria Jose Munita - @mjmunita mjmunita.com Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @_creekmore Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram Follow Lindsey:...
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Conversation | Prototype. Archetype. Stereotype.
In this conversational episode, Abram, Creek, and Lindsey discuss the prototype, archetype, and stereotype expressions of personality, and how it connects to our Season 4 theme: dynamics of personhood. 12:45 Prototype - What comes to mind, what we mean 14:10 Archetype - What comes to mind, what…
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Introduction | Season 4: Dynamics of Personhood
Season Four is here, friends! We are so excited to share these beautiful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversations with you. This season is tapping into something really special in our hearts, challenging us to grow profoundly. We hope you love this season as much as we do. Thanks for coming along...
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Trailer | Season 4: Dynamics of Personhood
Season Four is here, friends! We are so excited to share these beautiful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversations with you. This season is tapping into something really special in our hearts, challenging us to grow profoundly. Here's a teaser to get you hyped about what's in store! We hope you…
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Bonus | Emotional Intelligence & the Enneagram
Connect with Scott! Scott's Instagram Sway Leadership Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.” — Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram:...
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Bonus | Quotes to Uncover the Layers (Part 2)
Quotes to Uncover the Layers (Part 2) Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.” — Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow...
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The Fathoms podcast is about serious work for unserious humans. We dive deep into the topics that make us human. Whether it's the Enneagram or just learning to ask better questions. There's never a shortage of gravity or levity, so hit play, let's get to it!
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