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He Said, Son Said
by Matt Haverkamp
Sports are the backdrop. Life is the conversation. He Said, Son Said is a father-and-son podcast where sports become the starting point for conversations that matter most. Every week, Matt and Nash explore the biggest stories in sports, reflect on life through the lens of fatherhood, and sit down with athletes, coaches, parents, and families whose journeys reveal far more than what happens on the field, court, or course. Together, they uncover the moments that shape us—the victories and setbacks, the relationships, the sacrifices, and the lessons that stay with us long after the final whistle. Because the greatest stories in sports aren't really about sports. They're about resilience. Leadership. Family. Purpose. And the people who help us become who we're meant to be.
Episodes
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On Their Turf: Finding His Voice — In the Booth with Nathan Kretchmer
For Episode 28, Matt and Nash go On Their Turf at Millbrook High School to spend a Friday night with senior sports broadcaster Nathan Kretchmer — not just talking about broadcasting, but seeing the place where Nathan has been learning how to do it. They walk the field, climb the stairs to the...
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Episode 27 - The Little Things Are the Big Things | Larry Long Jr. & Trey on Fatherhood & Legacy
What happens when you put two fathers, two sons, and one larger-than-life personality in the same room? You get laughter, a little chaos, unexpected stories, and a conversation about love that stays with you long after it's over. In Episode 27 of He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash sit down with…
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Episode 26 - The Parent Behind the Player | Kathryn Youngs
For every kid running onto a field or court, there’s usually a parent somewhere behind them — driving, scheduling, paying, cheering, worrying, and trying to figure out whether they’re doing any of it right. In this On Their Turf episode, Matt sits down at the Hayes Barton Baptist Church gym with...
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Episode 25 - Keep Showing Up | David Williams on Parkinson’s, Fear & Getting Back in the Water
David Williams is four weeks away from attempting an Ironman 70.3. And he has Parkinson’s. In Part Two of our conversation, David talks about what that actually means. What happens when his right leg stops working in the water. Why he swims almost entirely with his upper body. What Parkinson’s...
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Episode 24 - The Day Everything Changed | David Williams on Transformation and Parkinson's
At 51, David Williams weighed 284 pounds. He had type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol, and was sleeping with a CPAP machine. At first, David started making small changes. Then came the moment when enough was enough. He changed the way he ate. He started walking. Then running.…
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Episode 23 - More Than the Score | KJ Hill on Identity, Fatherhood & Redefining Winning
What happens when sports stop being something you do and start becoming part of how you measure your own value? In Episode 23 of He Said, Son Said, Matt sits down with KJ Hill at ReCity in Durham, North Carolina, for a conversation about sports, identity, youth athletics, fatherhood, coaching,...
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Episode 22 - I Gotta Stay Away for Him to Grow | On Their Turf with Stephen & JJ Robinson
What happens when the sport you grew up in, the place your parents built, and the thing you once considered walking away from becomes the thing you choose for yourself? For Episode 22, Matt and Nash go On Their Turf at Triangle’s Best Karate with Stephen Robinson and his son, JJ. Karate has been...
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Episode 21 - The Shot Is Still Yours | James Davis of The Triangle Blind Golfers Association |
James Davis lost his sight later in life. A few years ago, he found golf. It started with one good shot. Then another. Before long, once a month wasn’t enough. But James doesn’t play alone. His coach, Kevin, helps line him up, reads the course and gives James information he can’t see for himself....
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Episode 20 - Raising Adults | Hassan Pinto |
In Part One of our conversation with Hassan Pinto, we talked about where sports took him. In Part Two, the conversation shifts. This time, we talk about family, parenting, sacrifice, and what happens when the kids you’ve spent years raising start becoming adults. Hassan shares how soccer became a...
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Episode 19 - Beyond the Game | Mike McGlynn & Sam Amaral on Identity, Purpose & Building 77ninenine
Former NFL offensive lineman Mike McGlynn and former collegiate volleyball player and coach Sam Amaral sit down with Matt for a conversation that starts with sports — and quickly becomes about everything sports can teach us about life. Mike takes us from growing up in Youngstown, Ohio, through...
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Episode 18 - The Life Sports Gave Him: A Soccer Ball Over the Fence | Hassan Pinto |
What if one small moment could change the direction of your entire life? For Hassan Pinto, it started in a backyard. He and his older brother were kicking around a basketball because they didn't own a soccer ball. Their dad came home, saw what they were doing, tossed a soccer ball over the fence...
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Episode 17 - Parenting & Sports: When the Student Becomes the Teacher | Tim & Marisa Ridgeway |
What happens when the child you've spent years teaching becomes someone you begin learning from? For Tim and Marisa Ridgeway, sports became the language that shaped a lifetime of conversations. What started with a father coaching his daughter grew into golf rounds, long car rides, spirited…
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Episode 16 - The Gift of Stepping Back | Rex & Sadie Miller on Parenting, Coaching, and Trust
When does helping become holding on too tightly? In this episode of He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash sit down with Rex and Sadie Miller for a conversation that begins with tennis but quickly becomes something much bigger. Together, they explore what it means to parent, coach, and support someone...
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Episode 15 - Building Confidence Through Coaching, Fatherhood & Legacy | Ashanti Robinson |
What does it really mean to build confidence? In the premiere episode of On Their Turf, a new documentary-style series from He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash step into the gym with coach and trainer Ashanti Robinson, expecting to talk about fitness. Instead, they discover a powerful conversation...
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Episode 14 - Before the Next Chapter: How We're Evolving
When we started He Said, Son Said, we thought we were creating a sports podcast. Fourteen episodes later, we've realized it's become something much bigger. In this special episode, we take you behind the scenes to share what we've learned, reflect on the conversations that have shaped us, and...
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Episode 13 - From Brazil to Building Better Athletes and Even Better People
He left home at 15 to chase his dream. What he found was a calling far greater than the game. When Matt and Nash sat down with Pedro Henrique Verissimo, they expected a conversation about soccer. What they discovered was a story about courage, purpose, family, faith, and the unexpected paths that...
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Episode 12 - More Than Football: Vision, Leadership & Purpose with Tommy Jones
In Episode 12 of He Said, Son Said, Matt sits down with Tommy Jones—former University of Michigan football player, mentor, coach, and founder of Growth4Life—for a conversation that starts with football but quickly becomes about something much bigger. Tommy shares the journey that shaped his life,...
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Episode 11 - Father's Day Special
Father's Day gave us a reason to hit pause and reflect on something bigger than scores, standings, and championships. In this special episode of He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash talk about the sports memories that shaped their relationship—from meeting sports heroes and attending unforgettable...
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Episode 10 - Looking Back, Looking Ahead
After a two-month hiatus and a quick turnaround from Episode 9, Matt and Nash are back behind the mic for a father-son catch-up session. The duo reflects on the last 90 days, including Matt's knee replacement recovery, Nash's journey through basketball, driving, and finding joy in the things that...
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Episode 9 - Play the Next Play
After a two-month hiatus, He Said, Son Said is back with one of our favorite conversations yet. This week, we sit down with 8th-grade multi-sport athlete Brayleigh and her dad, Christiaan, to talk about sports, faith, leadership, pressure, and the lessons that shape young athletes both on and off...
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Episode 8 - Different Paths Same Fairway
In this episode of He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash are joined by George and William Linney for a conversation centered around growth, discipline, and the unique bond between a father and son through sports. William shares his journey of becoming a scratch golfer during COVID—what started as…
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Episode 7 - Selection Sunday Special
The brackets are about to drop and the madness is in the air. In this episode of He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash break down the excitement of Selection Sunday and dive into some classic tournament debates. 🏀 Two Takes, Five Picks – The greatest Cinderella runs in March Madness history 🎯 Shots…
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Episode 6 - What’s Next & What Came Before
Football season is over — so what now? In this episode of He Said, Son Said, we reset and look ahead. 🏀 Two Takes, Five Picks: What we’re most excited about now that football’s done 📚 This Week in Sports History (Feb 15–22) — the wildest moments from the past 🤖 Man vs Machine: NBA playoff...
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Episode 5 - Quitter’s Day: When Athletes Quit Loud (and We Don’t)
Welcome to Episode 5 of He Said, Son Said, a father-son sports podcast where two generations debate sports, culture, and perspective — and somehow still like each other at the end. Using Quitter’s Day as the theme, we kick off with Two Takes, Five Picks, breaking down some of the most…
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Episode 4 - Wishes. Returns. Perspective.
It’s New Year’s Day, and on He Said, Son Said, that means reflection, returns, and looking ahead. In this episode, Matt and Nash kick off the new year with ... The 12 Days of the New Year — twelve wishes, predictions, and bold takes they’re putting out into the sports universe. From making the...
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Episode 3 - Holiday Takes & Hard Lessons
Episode 3 is here 🎄🎧 In this holiday-themed episode of He Said, Son Said, Matt and Nash bring the sports debates with a festive twist. We kick things off with Two Takes, Five Picks, recasting classic holiday movie characters as real athletes — and yes, it gets heated. Then it’s Slang Swap…
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Episode 2 - Traditions
Episode 2 is here — and we’re diving straight into the holidays, the hardwood, and a whole lot of father–son chaos. Matt and Nash kick things off with their favorite sports traditions, from iconic entrances to can’t-miss game-day rituals. Then we shift into Christmas mode as the guys reveal…
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Episode 1 - Thankful
For our official launch, we’re kicking things off with a Thanksgiving-themed episode packed with laughs, hot takes, and real family moments. Matt and Nash dive into what they’re thankful for this year — in sports, in life, and in their relationship — before jumping into a hilarious segment where...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Sports are the backdrop. Life is the conversation.
He Said, Son Said is a father-and-son podcast where sports become the starting point for conversations that matter most.
Every week, Matt and Nash explore the biggest stories in sports, reflect on life through the lens of fatherhood, and sit down with athletes, coaches, parents, and families whose journeys reveal far more than what happens on the field, court, or course.
Together, they uncover the moments that shape us—the victories and setbacks, the relationships, the sacrifices, and the lessons that stay with us long after the final whistle.
Because the greatest stories in sports aren't really about sports.
They're about resilience. Leadership. Family. Purpose. And the people who help us become who we're meant to be.
HOSTED BY
Matt Haverkamp
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Sports are the backdrop. Life is the conversation. He Said, Son Said is a father-and-son podcast where sports become the starting point for conversations that matter most. Every week, Matt and Nash explore the biggest stories in sports, reflect on life through the lens of fatherhood, and sit down...
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He Said, Son Said is created and hosted by Matt Haverkamp.
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