Hunger for Wholeness
by Center for Christogenesis
Story matters. Our lives are shaped around immersive, powerful stories that thrive at the heart of our religious traditions, scientific inquiries, and cultural landscapes. As Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein claimed, science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind. This podcast will hear from speakers in interdisciplinary fields of science and religion who are finding answers for how to live wholistic lives. This podcast is made possible by funding from the Fetzer Institute. We are very grateful for their generosity and support. (Image credit: X-ray: NASA/CXC; Ultraviolet: NASA/JPL-Caltech/SSC; Optical: NASA/STScI [M. Meixner]/ESA/NRAO [T.A. Rector]; Infrared: NASA/JPL-Caltech/K.)
Episodes
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Future-Proofing Humanity and Building a Global Mind with Robert Geraci
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Ilia Delio continues her conversation with Robert Geraci on the ethical future of technology, the possibility of a global mind, and the stories we need to tell if civilization is to flourish. Together, they ask how AI might help us build shared spaces of...
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Apocalyptic AI and the Stories Technology Tells with Robert Geraci
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Ilia Delio speaks with scholar Robert Geraci about apocalyptic AI, robotics, transhumanist hope, and the religious stories embedded in technological imagination. Geraci traces how his study of robotics led him to notice strikingly religious themes in the...
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Wholeness and Evolution with Shaleen Kendrick
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Ilia Delio continues her conversation with neurotheologian Shaleen Kendrick on the practical meaning of Christogenesis, wholeness, and adaptive evolution. Shaleen reflects on what she calls “evolutionary mismatch,” the gap between our rapidly changing…
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Neurotheology and the Biology of Spiritual Experience with Shaleen Kendrick
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Ilia Delio speaks with neurotheologian Shaleen Kendrick about neuroscience, contemplative practice, and the biology of spiritual experience. Shaleen shares her journey from conservative evangelical ministry through deconstruction, suffering, and...
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How to See the Big Picture in a Post-Truth World with Nicholas Hedlund
In this 100th episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio continues her conversation with Nicholas Hedlund, PhD exploring what it means to seek coherence in a world shaped by fragmentation and acceleration. Beginning with Teilhard de Chardin’s sense that the future is not simply ahead of us…
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What To Do About the Metacrisis with Nicholas Hedlund
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio speaks with Nicholas Hedlund, PhD—a philosopher, metatheorist, and contemplative practitioner whose work explores spirituality, science, and worldview transformation. Ilia begins with the simple question: What is metatheory? Nick traces the...
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How the Metamind Changes the Self with Abre Fournier
Sr. Ilia Delio continues her conversation with Abre Fournier, PhD—a science-based philosopher of consciousness whose work bridges contemporary cognitive science with Asian contemplative traditions and practices of mind transformation. Picking up their inquiry into what is meant by “the self,”…
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Can Science Illuminate the "Self" with Abre Fournier
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio speaks with Abre G. Fournier, PhD—a science-based philosopher of consciousness whose work bridges contemporary cognitive science with Asian contemplative traditions and practices of mind transformation. Abre shares the personal journey that...
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Can AI Calm Our Fear of Death with Gregory Stock
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Robert Nicastro welcomes listeners back into Sr. Ilia Delio’s conversation with biophysicist and technologist Gregory Stock. Last time, Greg raised a profound question: how will AI shape two enduring human longings—love and immortality? In this second…
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Who Is “Generation AI”? with Gregory Stock
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Robert Nicastro welcomes listeners back into Sr. Ilia Delio’s ongoing conversation with biophysicist and technologist Gregory Stock, whose new book, Generation AI and the Transformation of Human Being, has just been released. Together, Ilia and Greg open a...
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Renewing Faith When Politics Becomes Religion with Sheri Kling
In this second part of her conversation with Robert Nicastro, theologian and spiritual teacher Sheri Kling deepens the discussion on how process and open and relational theologies can reshape our spiritual lives. What does it mean to pray into immanence rather than plead to a distant deity? How…
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How God Holds Power Without Coercion with Sheri Kling
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Robert Nicastro welcomes back theologian, minister, and director of Process and Faith, Dr. Sheri Kling, for a rich conversation on the power of theology to renew spiritual life in a fragmented world. Sheri shares the story behind Renewing Faith, a newly...
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Practices That Weave Us Back Together with Rev. Dr. Hillary Raining
Ilia Delio welcomes back Rev. Dr. Hillary Raining to probe a live question for faith communities today: when our concepts of God become narrow—or distorted—how do they derail spiritual growth and even undermine justice? Hillary names the fears that keep churches clinging to old power structures,...
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When Politics Show Up in Pastoral Care with Rev. Dr. Hillary Raining
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Ilia Delio talks with Episcopal priest and spiritual director Rev. Dr. Hillary Raining about what happens when public life shows up in the parish—how pastors can hold political tension without letting church life collapse into partisanship, and why hope…
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Are We Developing Consciousness? or Worshipping Technology? with Don Viney (Part 2)
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Robert Nicastro continues his conversation with philosopher Don Viney. Together, they explore Teilhard de Chardin’s vision of a planetary mind—asking whether today’s global networks are cultivating consciousness and love, or tempting us to worship…
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How Non-Toxic Concepts of God Can Still Satisfy with Don Viney (Part 1)
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Robert Nicastro sits down with philosopher and musician Don Viney to trace his journey from the arts to philosophy—and the unexpected conversion that led him to process thought. Together, they explore the creative tension between art and thought, and how...
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How to "Fall Up" into a Collective Future with Terrence Deacon (Part 2)
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio continues her conversation with neuroanthropologist Terrence Deacon. Together, they explore how we might “fall up” into a collective future—probing the limits of machines and minds, and why complexity in nature often emerges not by work, but...
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How Abstractions Impact Ecological Crisis with Terrence Deacon (Part 1)
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio engages neuroanthropologist Terrence Deacon. Together, they probe the paradox of presence and absence—how constraint, incompleteness, and time shape mind, language, and the emergence of human meaning. From Charles Sanders Peirce to Claude...
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How Prayer Deepens Consciousness with Iain McGilchrist (Part 2)
In this continuation of their rich exchange, Sr. Ilia Delio and Dr. Iain McGilchrist explore the deeper dimensions of consciousness—and how our overreliance on the left hemisphere of the brain distorts our understanding of reality, relationships, and even God. Together, they reflect on: How...
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How Left and Right Brain Explain Our World with Iain McGilchrist (Part 1)
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio engages renowned psychiatrist and author Dr. Iain McGilchrist. Together, they explore the profound implications of the brain’s divided hemispheres—and how our overreliance on the left brain might be shaping Western culture in unexpected…
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What Can Religion Offer in Times of Disruption with Jared Morningstar (Part 2)
In the second half of her conversation with independent scholar Jared Morningstar, Sr. Ilia Delio explores how religion might evolve in light of today’s ecological and cultural disruptions. Drawing from Islamic philosophy, metamodernism, and process thought, Ilia and Jared consider what it means…
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Can Science Alone Overcome Patriarchy and Tribalism with Jared Morningstar (Part 1)
In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Sr. Ilia Delio speaks with independent scholar Jared Morningstar about the transformative potential of science-informed spirituality. Drawing from Islamic philosophy, including the thought of Muhammad Iqbal, Jared explores how process thought might bridge...
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Can We Learn Ethics from Quantum Physics with Adam Clark (Part 2)
In the second part of Ilia Delio’s conversation with theologian Adam Clark, the focus shifts to questions at the intersection of power, technology, and ethics. How does liberation theology speak to the structures of modern technological society—and what does it say about the nature of evil?...
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What Future Does Black Theology Imagine with Adam Clark (Part 1)
Ilia Delio sits down with theologian and scholar Adam Clark for a wide-ranging conversation on the roots and future of Black theology. A student of the late James Cone—the founding voice of Black liberation theology—Adam brings deep theological insight and cultural awareness to questions at the...
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How AI Will Shape Personhood with Gregory Stock (Part 2)
Hunger for Wholeness continues with the second part of Ilia Delio’s thought-provoking conversation with biophysicist, entrepreneur, and author Gregory Stock. In this episode, Ilia and Gregory explore how human motivations, ethics, and the evolving sense of personhood are deeply entangled with the...
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How AI May Guide Us with Gregory Stock (Part 1)
In this conversation, Ilia Delio speaks with biophysicist, entrepreneur, and author Gregory Stock. Known for his groundbreaking ideas about biotechnology and the future of humanity, Gregory shares the story behind his influential book Metaman and offers insights into how technology is shaping—and...
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How Scripture Can Still Evolve with Peter Enns (Part 2)
In Part 2 of Ilia Delio’s conversation with author and biblical scholar Peter Enns, we explore deeper dimensions of scripture—and how our understanding of it must evolve alongside us. Together, Ilia and Pete examine how the Bible is often misused as a political and cultural tool, and they ask…
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How to Read Scripture with Peter Enns (Part 1)
Hunger for Wholeness is back with a brand new season—and we’re beginning with a deep and timely conversation about one the most timeless texts. In this season-opening episode, Ilia Delio speaks with biblical scholar and bestselling author Peter Enns. Known for his accessible, thoughtful takes on...
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How to Pursue Religious Depth with John D. Caputo (Part 2)
How to Pursue Religious Depth with John D. Caputo (Part 2) In our final episode of this season, Ilia Delio asks philosopher-theologian Jack Caputo more about religious depth in light of what he calls weak theology. Plus, Jack compares AI to angelology, and Ilia asks how theo-poetics can help us...
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Is God-Talk Necessary? with John D. Caputo (Part 1)
Ilia Delio sits down with philosopher-theologian John D. Saputo (Jack). Ilia asks Jack about how he got from Continental Philosophy to what he calls weak theology, and theo-poetics. Then they tackle the big, enduring question Jack and Ilia like to often ask—what is going on “in the name of God?”...
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When Wholeness Arrives with Bayo Akomolafe (Part 2)
When Wholeness Arrives with Bayo Akomolafe (Part 2) Ilia Delio and Bayo Akomolafe continue their conversation about navigating the legacy of modernity and our journey into the future as a species. Bayo shares his perspective on the legacies of ingenious thought—particularly how it’s seen from the...
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How (Post-)Humans Evolve with Bayo Akomolafe (Part 1)
How (Post-)Humans Evolve with Bayo Akomolafe (Part 1) Ilia Delio is joined by the prolific writer and activist Bayo Akomolafe. Bayo shares with us about his Christian background, growing up as the son of a diplomat in Nigeria. Ilia asks Bayo about how he has uniquely wrestled with the legacy of...
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How to Write a Catechism for AIs with Kevin Kelly (Part 4)
How to Write a Catechism for AIs with Kevin Kelly (Part 4) In the final part of this four-part series, futurist Kevin Kelly asks Ilia Delio to propose a catechism for AIs. Likewise, they discuss what our relationships with the AIs of the future might look like—love? Companionship? Ilia asks what...
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Can AIs and Global Myths Make Us Better Humans with Kevin Kelly (Part 3)
Can AIs and Global Myths Make Us Better Humans with Kevin Kelly (Part 3) Ilia Delio brings religion into focus in the third of her four-part series with futurist Kevin Kelly. Ilia outlines her own, cutting-edge perspective to get Kevin’s views on Teilhard, diversity, and the possibility of global...
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How to Face the Future with Kevin Kelly (Part 2)
How to Face the Future with Kevin Kelly (Part 2) In part two of this four part series, Ilia Delio and Kevin Kelly discuss the potential social and economic impacts of AIs–whether these fears are founded, and where there is hope it will enhance our global unity. Plus, Kevin answers why he helped...
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How AIs are Children and Mirrors with Kevin Kelly (Part 1)
How AIs are Children and Mirrors with Kevin Kelly (Part 1) In the first part of this special four part series, Ilia Delio learns more about Wired founding editor and futurist Kevin Kelly’s story with technology. It begins with his world travel in the 70s seeing impacts and possibilities of…
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Do Science, Black Theology and AI Mix with Dr. Reggie Williams (Part 2)
Do Science, Black Theology and AI Mix with Dr. Reggie Williams (Part 2) In the second part of this two-part interview, Ilia Delio speaks with Dr. Reggie Williams about just that black theology. From her Teilhardian perspective, Ilia asks Reggie about the interaction between faith and science, and...
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What (Black) Bonhoeffer Might Say Today with Dr. Reggie Williams (Part 1)
What (Black) Bonhoeffer Might Say Today with Dr. Reggie Williams (Part 1) Ilia Delio welcomes Dr. Reggie Williams, the newly appointed Associate Professor of Black Theology at St Louis University, to unpack the life, work of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer’s legacy continues to touch today’s…
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How the World Could Use a Sabbath with Rabbi Bradley S. Artson (Part 2)
How the World Could Use a Sabbath with Rabbi Bradley S. Artson (Part 2) In the second part of this very special conversation, Ilia Delio and Rabbi Bradley Artson tackle everything from life after death, to concerns about technology and AI. Rabbi Artson shares with us how everyone could benefit…
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What We Mean When We Talk About “God” with Rabbi Bradley S. Artson (Part 1)
What We Mean When We Talk About “God” with Rabbi Bradley S. Artson (Part 1) In part one of their conversation Ilia Delio speaks with Rabbi Bradley S. Artson, writer and Jewish process thinker. Rabbi Artson tells us about his journey from atheism to a love for God and describes how process…
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Why AI Optimism and Our Values can Synergize with Francis Heylighen (Part 2)
Why AI Optimism and Our Values can Synergize with Francis Heylighen (Part 2) In the second part of their conversation, Ilia Delio asks Francis Heylighen “what values do we need to focus on to guide this global transformation?” Professor Heylighen tells us why he’s optimistic about AI, and “why”...
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How All this Complexity is Unified with Francis Heylighen (Part 1)
How All this Complexity is Unified with Francis Heylighen (Part 1) Ilia Delio talks with cyberneticist Francis Heylighen. In part one of their conversation, Ilia asks Francis about his interest in complexity theory, and the basics of complex systems as they appear in our society and world. How…
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Finding Consciousness at the Heart of it All with Neil Theise (Part 2)
Finding Consciousness at the Heart of it All with Neil Theise (Part 2) Episode Description In part two, Ilia Delio and Neil Theise unpack the implications of complexity theory for human life, especially consciousness, our technology and the relationship between them. Can AI become “conscious?”…
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How Deep Down the Complexity Goes with Neil Theise (Part 1)
How Deep Down the Complexity Goes with Neil Theise (Part 1) In the first part of their conversation Ilia Delio asks stem cell researcher and author, Neil Theise, about this journey from science to complexity theory. Ilia and Neil ask big questions about how deep the complexity goes—is there...
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How Fear Arrested Our Theological Imagination with Fr. Dan Horan (Part 2)
“How Fear Arrested Our Theological Imagination with Fr. Dan Horan” (Part 2) In part two of their discussion Ilia Delio asks Fr. Dan Horan about the way forward, and how fear arrests our theological imaginations. They discuss whether it will be possible to reimagine some of the most central tenets...
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What Thomas Merton Would Say Today with Fr. Dan Horan (Part 1)
What Thomas Merton Would Say Today with Fr. Dan Horan (Part 1) Ilia Delio interviews Fr. Dan Horan, professor of Philosophy, Religious Studies and Theology at Saint Mary’s College and author of Engaging Thomas Merton: Spirituality, Justice, and Racism. Ilia asks Dan how he became interested in...
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Will There Ever Be Conscious AI with Philip Goff (Part 2)
Will There Ever Be Conscious AI with Philip Goff (Part 2) In part 2 of their interview, Ilia Delio and Philip Goff continue their conversation about consciousness and how science and theology can better work together to understand it. Together, Ilia and Philip tackle the burning question, “will…
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What is Consciousness and Where is It (Panpsychism) with Philip Goff (Part 1)
Ilia Delio interviews philosopher and author Philip Goff on the big questions of consciousness. What is it? And how does modern panpsychism explain the relationship between consciousness and matter? Ilia and Philip also discuss how consciousness exposes where science and religion need to work in…
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Can Sacrifices Make a Better Future with Bruce Epperly (Part 2)
Building on their conversation in Part 1, Ilia Delio and Bruce Epperly unpack what it means to see the divine in the other. They discuss the need for sacrificial living and a return to some of the basic practices of global spiritual traditions. Bruce tells us how these ideas affect his...
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How Process Heals Divisions with Bruce Epperly (Part 1)
Ilia Delio is joined by process theologian Bruce Epperly for an honest conversation looking at the divisiveness at work in our communities and politics. Bruce gives an introduction to process theology (or process relational theology) and together they unpack how the basic conceptual shifts…
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About this show
Story matters. Our lives are shaped around immersive, powerful stories that thrive at the heart of our religious traditions, scientific inquiries, and cultural landscapes. As Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein claimed, science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind. This podcast will hear from speakers in interdisciplinary fields of science and religion who are finding answers for how to live wholistic lives. This podcast is made possible by funding from the Fetzer Institute. We are very grateful for their generosity and support. (Image credit: X-ray: NASA/CXC; Ultraviolet: NASA/JPL-Caltech/SSC; Optical: NASA/STScI [M. Meixner]/ESA/NRAO [T.A. Rector]; Infrared: NASA/JPL-Caltech/K.)
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