Into the Fire: Powered by Dream City Church

This week, Debi is joined by Macario de la Cruz, VP of Advancement for Center for Arizona PolicyMacario and Debi discuss the important work of the Center for Arizona Policy.  Pastor Macario talks about how critical it is that churches engage, not only to speak truth to those in power, but also to offer ministry and hope to those who serve our state.  He shares the heart and mission of the Church Ambassador Network, connecting local pastors to their state legislators.Finally, Macario and Debi discuss his work with Proyecto por la Familia de Arizona. Hispanic voters are largely very religious and very socially conservative, but have only radically left leaning news sources that stoke fear and distrust. It is important to connect to them, particularly through church leadersTo learn more about the Church Ambassador Network, visit https://www.azpolicy.org/church-ambassador-network/To view the AZ voter guide, visit https://www.azvoterguide.com/Proyecto Por La Familia https://www.azpolicy.org/por-la-familia/To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Councilwoman Jan Dubauskas, of Scottsdale City CouncilJan and Debi discuss the important work of city councils.  City Councils across the country have enormous budgets and make decisions that greatly impact our daily lives..  Jan and Debi discuss some of the specific and often contentious decisions that city councils have to make. They also discuss what skillset and background lends itself to being a good councilmen. Jan shares some ways in which the public can be more involved in their cities and learn more about the ins and outs of city government. Finally, they discuss ways in which voters can research and vet candidates for these nonpartisan races.To learn more or to get more involved in Scottsdale City government: Scottsdale City Council  https://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/councilGovernment 101: https://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/city-government-101Citizen's Police Academy: https://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/police/community-partnerships-and-programs/police-citizens-academyCitizen's Water Academy: https://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/water/education/citizen-academyTo Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Matt Beieinberg, Director of Education Policy at Goldwater InstituteMatt and Debi discuss ballot initiatives and the various ways that they end up on your ballot.  Arizona has unique laws related to ballot initiatives which make them nearly impossible to correct or remove. Because of this, far left organizations will spend millions of dollars to get radical initiatives on Arizona ballots and to deceive voters.The rule of thumb for propositions should be to decline to sign these petitions unless groups you trust are promoting them, and to err on the side of voting no if you are uncertain about their effect.Matt and Debi also discuss the state's nationally acclaimed ESA program and the wildly inaccurate and dishonest reporting that has been used to target this popular program. They discuss the current efforts to get an anti-ESA initiative on the ballot that would decimate the program and harm Arizona families.To learn more about Goldwater Institute visit https://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/To learn more about how ESAs help Arizona families and why the program is worth protecting, visit https://azlovesesas.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Erin Rathier, founder and director of Ignite Homeschool Ministries.Debi and Erin discuss the many school choice options that families in Arizona currently have. Children's needs and the needs of individual families are not one size fits all, so school options should reflect those needs.Debi and Erin discuss their own paths with homeschooling children and helping other homeschool families to thrive. ESA has been an important part of opening opportunities for families to homeschool or to choose private school. They discuss how public school and private or homeschool should not be competing with each other. The goal of all involved should be what is best for children.They discuss the ballot initiative that is currently being circulated and how detrimental this would be to Arizona families if it were to get on the ballot and be passed into law. #DeclineToSign all ballot initiatives related to education.Finally they talk about Ignite, where both Erin and Debi work and how needs are being met for homeschool families.To learn more about Ignite Homeschool Ministries visit https://www.ignitehm.org/To learn more about how ESAs help Arizona families and why the program is worth protecting, visit https://azlovesesas.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Senator Warren Petersen, Arizona Senate PresidentSenator Peterson explains the basic makeup and process of the state legislature, the role of Senate President and the process of being selected to serve as Senate President.Debi and Senator Petersen discuss how Kris Mayes,  our current Arizona Attorney General, has repeatedly and willfully failed to do her job defending state law in the courts.   Our state law allows the Senate President to have standing and to step in as the de-facto AG to defend state law when the sitting AG refuses. Senator Petersen has been doing this for the last several years.Senator Petersen discusses several of these important cases including protecting girls' sports and keeping our communities safe from sex offenders. They also discuss the importance of the role of Attorney General and why this next election is critical.To learn more about the state legislature, visit https://www.azleg.gov/To connect with Senator Petersen, visit https://www.petersenforag.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Taylor Sharp, influencer and investigative journalist. Taylor is a young Christian, a Gen Z conservative and social media influencer with a significant following.Taylor talks about how he got started as a young teen and about how Charlie Kirk influenced his life path. Taylor attends protests, asks protestors questions, and records the interactions.Debi and Taylor discuss how Gen Z views the world, politics, conservatism, and the major political parties.  It is important that we listen to, mentor and encourage young conservatives. They have a unique voice that is unlike older generations. Gen Z is straightforward, unafraid of ruffling feathers and they highly value authenticity and relationships.  You can follow Taylor on Instagram @realTaylorSharp on  YouTube @realTaylorSharp and on X  @TaylorSharp1776To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Tina Hansen. She and her husband Derek, last week's guest, pastor the Dream City Campus in Show Low.  Tina is  also the director of the Living Hope Dream Center in Show Low, AZTina shares her own story of being a poor single mom with two young children and how she fought to get herself and her children out of difficult circumstances. She also shares the tragic story of her son's death several years ago. She chose to hold fast to God and allow him to use these difficult life experiences to strengthen and equip her to help other women in need.Debi and Tina discuss the Hope House, a pregnancy care home and Dream Center program that houses young mothers, provides housing, transportation, job training, help with education, baby supplies. life skills and community.Tina also shares her heart for other women in need who didn't meet the criteria for entrance into the Hope House and how that led to the development of new emergency housing. The goal is to get women and their families off the streets or out of dangerous situations and help get them into a more stable environment. To connect with the Living Hope Dream Center visit: https://livinghopecenters.org/To learn more about and support JC Supercars visit https://jcsupercars.com/To Donate to the Dream Institute, which funds Living Hope, visit https://thedreaminstitute.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Pastor Derek Hansen, campus pastor at the White Mountains campus of Dream City Church.Pastor Derek talks about growing up Mormon and about the journey that led him away from the Morman church and to a relationship with Christ.  They talk about the unique area where their campus is located.Derek and Debi discuss how his campus is landlocked by tribal land and about the relationships the church has built in the community.  They discuss the high levels of addiction and abuse among Native communities and how the church is uniquely equipped to bring hope and a new life. They also discuss the importance of speaking and teaching about Civics and about culturally relevant topics inside the church.  In these chaotic times, so many, especially the next generation, are seeking answers and looking for truth that only the Word of God can provide.To connect with the White Mountains campus visit  https://www.dreamcitychurch.us/locations/showlow-az/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Steele Brand, associate professor at Arizona State University.In 2016, the Arizona Legislature established and funded the School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership (SCETL) at ASU aiming to promote the study of Western civilization, American institutions, and free-market philosophy. Professor Brand is one of the professors who teaches in this important programDebi and Professor Brand discuss the importance of a classical liberal arts education which emphasizes reading historical and original source texts as well as deep analysis and discussion.  We cannot preserve Western Civilization if we are not teaching its history and principals to future generations.Debi and Professor Brand discuss the importance that revolutionary era thinkers and leaders with vastly different backgrounds and belief systems placed on morality, religion and truth. Finally, they discuss the programs available at ASU as well as the opportunities for the public to take part in lectures and other events. To learn more about the School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership at ASU, visit https://scetl.asu.edu/To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usProfessor Brand's book recommendations:    Lives, by Plutarch    American Constitutionalism by Gillman, Graber, and Whittington.    The Great Tradition by Richard Gamble.    The Golden Thread, by James Hankins and Allen C. Guelzo.Debi's book recommendation: Veritas Press Omnibus homeschool curriculum on classics: Veritas Press | OmnibusPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Leisa Brug, VP of Advocacy at Center for Arizona Policy and CAP Action.Leisa shares un update on the systematic dismantling of our state's common sense pro-life laws following the tragic passing of Prop 139 in November.  Elections have consequencesDebi and Leisa discuss the process of how a bill becomes a law and the work that goes on behind the scenes to draft and pass good legislation.  Leisa and Debi encourage viewers to go to the Capitol to sit in the gallery or sit in on a committee hearing to get a firsthand education on the legislative process.Finally, Leisa and Debi talk about the enormous importance of the 2026 elections. Midterm elections typically have a lower voter turnout and historically tend to skew against the party in the White House.  This election year needs to be all hands on deck.To learn more about the Center for Arizona Policy visit https://www.azpolicy.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church visit  https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Gabriel and Kellee Napoleon.Gabriel and Kellee share the story of their own road to redemption.  They talk about meeting in addiction and living in that addiction for years.After testing positive for drugs following the delivery of their third child, their lives suddenly hit a crossroads.  Kellee and Gabriel talk about how ending up at the Phoenix Dream Center changed the trajectory of their entire family's lives for good.  Debi, Gabriel and Kellee also talk about how governmental systems in many ways set them up to fail. They succeeded because they were determined to follow God and to get their kids back and they had strong support from family and from the body of Christ. Through all of this God worked a miracle in their lives. To learn more about the Phoenix Dream Center visit https://phoenixdreamcenter.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by State Representative Pamela CarterRepresentative Carter talks about what led her to run for office and about the role that faith plays in her life and work.Debi and Representative Carter discuss the important role of state government. Rep Carter walks through the process of how bills get heard, discussed, and voted on at the State Capitol.They also discuss the ways in which you and I can participate in the legislative process and voice our opinions on bills being considered. They talk about Representative Carter's help with Dream City Civics recent tour of the state capitolTo learn about our state legislators, track bills and see legislative calendars, visit https://www.azleg.gov/To learn about the bills that Representative Carter is sponsoring including HB2666 concerning the sexual extortion of minors, visit https://www.azleg.gov/house-member/?legislature=57&session=130&legislator=2354To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Bruce and Kim Ketola from Kairos Prison MinistriesBruce and Kim talk about the work of Kairos Prison Ministries and how they got involved.Debi, Bruce and Kim discuss the importance of outreach to those who are incarcerated and to their loved ones. The Kairos retreat model shares the love of Christ with male and female prisoners and helps develop them to be leaders both in and out of prison.   Kairos has a proven track record of making prison atmospheres calmer, with less internal crime among prisoners. It also has been shown to reduce recidivism and stop the cycles of crime that cause individuals to be repeat offenders and pass that cycle on to their children.  To learn more about Kairos Prison Ministries or to get involved in prison outreach https://kairosprisonministry.org/To learn more about prisons in Arizona Arizona profile | Prison Policy InitiativeTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Tammy O'Connor, campaign leader for 40 Days for LifeTammy shares her personal story of the tragedy of abortion and how that led her to get involved in the life movement. Debi and Tammy talk about 40 Days for Life, how it got started and its impact.  They discuss the deceptive and sometimes hostile practices of abortion clinics and how they do everything to prevent women from hearing the truth and receiving prayer while they are on their way into their abortion appointment.  They also discuss the ways in which the Biden administration and the Obama administration targeted pro-life workers and in particular those praying on sidewalks outside clinics. This is due in large part to the effectiveness of that type of ministry. When people are praying outside an abortion clinic, cancellations and decisions for life go up. To connect with 40 Days for Life and sign up for a shift to pray outside an abortion clinic visit https://www.40daysforlife.comTo learn more about abortion pill reversal visit https://www.abortionpillreversal.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Lucy Breen and Season Reynolds, co-founders of Pursuit Ministry at Dream City Church.Debi, Season and Lucy discuss a previous episode of Into the Fire with Season about the specific and unique needs of singles in churches across the country. In this episode, they discuss how Lucy and Season launched a ministry designed for singles of all ages.  It can be particularly challenging to develop a singles ministry for a number of reasons. One is that there is a wide range of ages and life situations:  divorced, widowed, never married, with and without children.  Another huge issue is that singles ministries are often perceived as a "meat market" Pursuit strives to be unique, offering fun events, 3rd space get togethers and classes all designed to encourage community and growth. To connect with Pursuit visit https://www.dreamcitychurch.us/locations/phoenix-az/ministries/singles/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Ashley Trussell, founder of Butterfly Effect FoundationAshley and Debi discuss foster care group homes and the unique needs of teens who are unable to be placed with a family.  While they are provided for and supervised, they often lack the bonding and connection that comes with family.  These young people often miss out on things that the rest of us take for granted, like going to professional sporting events and learning how to drive. Debi and Ashley discuss the powerful role that mentors can play in the lives of these young people. Ashley explains how and why she set up her mentorship program which is primarily aimed at girls in group homes who are close to "aging out" of the system. To connect with Butterfly Effect Foundation visit http://butterflymentors.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Alison Furno, previous co-host of Into the Fire and a volunteer leader with Dream City CivicsDebi and Alison discuss the alarming rise in a favorable view of Communism among young Americans.  Debi and Alison discuss the dangers of an overreaching federal government and how the founders tried to warn of this.  They talk about how dependence on government programs and assistance is exceedingly difficult to dial back and that a government which is big enough to provide for an individual's needs can also withhold those goods to control the public. Finally they discuss the biblical implications of socialism and that one of the biggest dangers is that of replacing God as our provider, Jehova Jireh. To check for upcoming events with Dream City Civics visit https://dreamcity.church/civics (save and check after the holidays)  Also follow our Into the Fie   https://www.instagram.com/dreamcityintothefire/   and TPUSA Faith   https://www.instagram.com/tpusafaith_dreamcity/  accounts on Instagram for more informationTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Pastor Saeed Hosseini, prayer pastor at Dream City Church and founder of the Global 365 Prayer NetworkPastor Saeed shares his background growing up in a Muslim family in Iran. Debi and Pastor Saeed discuss some of the tenets of Islam, the dangers and oppressions of the belief system and how that ideology is incompatible with American freedom. They also discuss the alarming rise in Islam in America and some of the reasons for this rise.Pastor Saeed also talks about his conversion to Christianity and the freedom that a relationship with Christ brings. Debi and Pastor Saeed also discuss the power of the Holy Spirit, as well as the strength and discernment the Spirit gives to believers.Finally, they discuss the hope that we have and that even though the times can look bleak, the Word of God provides answers to all of the things that we are seeing around us.To connect with the Global 365 Prayer Network visit https://prayerpavilion.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Kim Ketola, author of Cradle My Heart and volunteer for Dream Life Pro-Life Ministries at Dream City Church.Debi and Kim discuss Kim's own post-abortion healing journey. They also discuss the prevalence of abortion within the church at large. One in three women sitting in a church has had an abortion.  Debi and Kim discuss some of the ramifications of having had an abortion including substance abuse, depression and difficulty bonding with other children. They also talk about the redemption available through Jesus Christ. To get involved with Dream Life Prolife Ministries, search for us on Facebook or Instagram, call the church office or go to https://dreamcity.church/groups to search for an upcoming post abortion groupBook recommendations:Cradle My Heart by Kim KetolaForgiven and Set Free (post abortive women) by Linda CochraneAnchored (miscarriage and infant loss) by Erin CushmanGrieving the Child I Never Knew by Kathe WunnenbergHealing a Father's Heart (post abortive men) by LInda Cochrane To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Pastor Jim Black, Director of the Care Network at Dream City Church.Pastor Jim oversees congregational care and has performed hundreds of funerals for Dream City Church.Debi and Jim discuss the aftermath of tragedy. It often brings out either the best or worst in people and can either bring families together or amplify existing issues. The Congregational care network has a unique opportunity to provide comfort, care and guidance to those in need.Pastor Jim also talks about how performing so many funerals has caused him to focus on prioritizing relationships over money and to guard his time with his family.To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Adam Ranney, worship pastor at Dream City Church Glendale Campus, and a leader in men's ministry.Debi and Adam talk about how across ministries and churches, men are being called higher, back into their divine purpose.Adam shares a picture of the importance of covering. God created Adam, Eve was created from within Adam and children are created from within women. There is a beautiful, biblical order to covering and protection of the family.Debi and Adam discuss the importance of men being whole and healthy, and how men's strength or weakness can have a profound effect on those around him.  They discuss personal and biblical examples. They also give some practical steps for those who are new to the faith, and for men who are wanting to grow in Christ to be better husbands, fathers and friends.To get involved in Dream City's men's groups visit https://www.dreamcitychurch.us/mydreamcity/groups/ and enter keyword "forge" Adam's book recommendations (all area available on Audible):  "Devil, Come Out!" by Donna Howells"Divine Encounters" by Paul Manwaring and Bill Johnson"Altogether You: experiencing personal and spiritual transformation..." By Jenna RiemersmaTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Sloan Adams, Central Senior Strategic Manager of TPUSA FaithDebi and Sloan discuss the faith arm of TPUSA and its work unifying and empowering churches to speak truth in love to culture. They discuss how so many cultural and political issues over the last several years including COVID, BLM, Antifa, men calling themselves women and the overturn of Roe v Wade have impacted churches. Some churches like Dream City have been bold and talked about these issues, others have compromised the truth of the Word of God to accept and even idolize sin, and many more have remained silent, afraid to step into these important conversations.Sloan and Debi also discuss the spiritual awakening that has happened in the wake of Charlie Kirk's very public assassination.  So many are flocking to church, opening Bibles for the first time and giving their lives to Jesus. We are especially seeing a rise in the strength and determination of Gen Z to follow Charlie's example in life and in faith.To learn more about TPUSA Faith and get connected, visit https://tpusafaith.com/To get involved in Dream City's TPUSA Faith chapter, email [email protected] Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by Alison Furno, one of the volunteer leaders of Dream City Civics Ministry and former co-host of Into the Fire podcast.Debi and Alison discuss the importance of biblically based civics.  They go through some scriptural examples of godly men and women interacting with, influencing and participating in government affairs.  They tackle some of the common arguments against biblically based civics including the so-called separation of church and state, 501(c)3 rules, and accusations of Christian nationalism. They also discuss the ways in which being salt and light in current times can have an impact on the culture, on laws and on elections.  To find out more about Dream City Civics Ministry and what may be happening at your campus, send an email to [email protected] you would like to find out more about bringing civics into your small group once a month through SALT visit https://www.womenforfamiliesandfreedom.org/saltTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi is joined by special guest Dr. Krista Fabrick business and marketing professor Mesa community college, marketing consultant and business coach (Sam Oriza was out sick)Debi and Krista discuss the growing concerns with the effects that use of AI can have on the brain and on the effects that screen time in general can have on young developing minds.Just like many other things, AI is not inherently good or evil. It is a tool which can be both helpful and destructive.  Krista and Debi discuss a recent study at MIT on the affects of ChatGPT on the brain. The results were shocking.  Adult participants showed a marked decrease in their ability to think, reason and remember after using AI to perform tasks.Krista and Debi also discussed the implications that AI has on education including the ease of having technology think for you, lessened attention spans, limited learning and more.  Finally they discuss the established and documented dangers of screen time on babies and toddlers. While the use of screens can be tempting and have immediate short term benefits of peace and quiet, there are longterm damages to emotional regulation, the ability to form connections and to learn. Screen time literally rewires young children's brains. To see the MIT study on ChatGPT visit https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt/    To read more about the effects of screen time on education, visit https://santamaria.wa.edu.au/decreasing-attention-spans-jennifer-oaten/"dumb phones" and filters available for purchasehttps://gabb.com https://www.bark.us To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi is joined by Alison Furno one of the volunteer leaders of Dream City Civics Ministry and former co-host of Into the Fire podcast.Debi and Alison discuss the rise in violence in our culture. From school shootings to subway stabbings to a public assassination, it feels as if the world has gone crazy.  They talk about a recent survey showing that a high percentage of college students believe that violence is an acceptable way to shut down speech they don't agree with on campus.  They also discuss the tendency of the media and politicians to classify speech as violence while excusing actual acts of violence.  Finally, they discuss what this means for us as believers and why we should not fear the world around us.FIRE College Free Speech Rankings 2025/26 https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/2026-college-free-speech-rankingsTo get connected with TPUSA visit https://tpusa.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

Note: This episode was prerecorded prior to the tragic assassination of Charlie KirkThis week, Debi is joined by Carrie Bradley a sex trafficking and domestic violence survivor and founder of Identifreed. Warning: This is an episode that discusses difficult adult topics.  Please preview this episode before allowing young children to listen.Carrie shares her story of being trafficked by gang members, being held captive and forced into being a "breeder". She also talks about her steps to both physical freedom and the freedom she found in Christ.Debi and Carrie discuss the overlooked demographic of young adults, many of whom are aged out foster care kids, who find themselves in difficult situations and get trapped and trafficked. Debi and Carrie discuss domestic violence procedures and how they can be changed to better identify trafficking victims.  They also discuss the ways in which the abortion industry aids traffickers and harms women. To find out more about Identifreed go to https://identifreed.org/about-usTo Learn more about trafficking prevention go to https://www.pearlatthemailbox.com/To find out more about Where Hope LIves visit https://stoptrafficwalk.org/where-hope-lives/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Kevin Theriot, senior counsel at Alliance Defending Freedom. Kevin talks with Debi and Sam about his career at ADF, some of the important cases he has worked on, and why we must continue to fight for Life, Law and liberty. Kevin explains how a case might progress through the courts, using the Dobbs v Jackson case as an example.  Cases progress from state to federal level and can take years to finally be settled. It is not just the Supreme Court that matters. State level legislatures, Attorneys General, Governors and lower-level courts also have a huge impact on cases like Dobbs.Kevin, Debi and Sam discuss legal attacks on pro-life pregnancy centers in multiple states, including in AZ and legal battles over abortion pill reversal and free and compelled speech in the pro-life arena.  There are also some Obama Care era cases that are still being heard in courts over what the government can and cannot require companies and organizations to cover. They also discuss how important state level elections, especially the AG are for supporting common sense, life affirming laws as well as protecting religious liberty and safeguarding the family.  We have state level elections coming up in 2026. They will have a huge impact on our state and our country.  To find out more about Alliance Defending Freedom, visit https://adflegal.org/Colorado abortion pill reversal banColorado court strikes down state law banning abortion pill reversal – Alliance Defending FreedomNew Jersey AG harassment of pregnancy centersFirst Choice Women’s Resource Centers v. Platkin – Alliance Defending FreedomAZ AG consumer alert against pregnancy centersAttorney General Mayes Warns Patients About Crisis Pregnancy Centers | Arizona Attorney GeneralTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam host a solo episode on school choice and the ongoing battle over ESAs in Arizona.Much has been made of a recent news article highlighting supposed fraud in the ESA system. But, Empowerment Scholarship Accounts have long been a target of those who do not like our school choice options in AZ.   Arizona was the first state to offer such accounts, which allow some, not all, of the education dollars to follow the student and be used for homeschooling, tutoring or private school instruction. This enables families who may not be able to afford one of those options to have more control over their children's learning environment. Some politicians and union leaders in our state would love to rescind our school choice friendly laws and leave families with no choice other than public school. Debi and Sam talk about the history of school choice, the misunderstanding of ESAs, including how much information is required to justify purchases.  They also highlight that this supposed huge news story is such a small number of people and that those people are already being asked to repay money that they misused. All of this leads us to believe that this is political maneuvering. Since there is an election year in 2026 we must have wisdom and discernment when reading news stories like this one. To find out more about the misinformation surrounding ESAs visit https://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/arizonas-universal-esa-program-a-history-of-surplus-savings-media-misinformation/To read more about the past battles over ESAs and the Navajo nation go to  https://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/fact-esas-help-native-american-families/To read the misleading news story referenced in this episode go to https://www.abc15.com/rebound/state-of-education/400-esa-accounts-suspended-state-sends-accounts-to-collectionsTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Rich Jessup, former Chief of PoliceRich shares highlights of his lengthy career in law enforcement.  Rich shares with Debi and Sam about being Chief of Police in one of the busiest border cities in America. They discuss how changing border policies during different administrations affected law enforcement morale and their ability to do their job.Rich, Debi and Sam also discuss the crossover between ministry and police work. This includes ministry to fellow officers, who face heightened job and familial stresses.  Rich also talks about viewing police work as a ministry in his interactions with the public.Rich, Debi and Sam finally discuss how different levels of government: city, state and federal all affect law enforcement in different ways and reinforce the importance of paying attention to local elections which most directly impact first responders and public safety.To find out more about The Law Enforcement Leadership Ministry, visit https://lelm.org/https://www.teamllc.org/To learn more about Tactical Education and Mentoring visit https://www.teamllc.org/Search for Rich Jessup on YouTube to find his devotionals and words of encouragement for law enforcement.To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Griffin McGrath, the Network Youth and Young Adults Director for the Assemblies of God Arizona DistrictGriffin shares his own story of loss and resilience.   Glod does not promise us that we will live without heartache or tragedy. In fact, His Word clearly tells us that we will have trials, but that He will be with us through those things.Gen Alpha appears to have some of the highest rates of anxiety and mental health issue and be the least equipped with resilience.  Why?  Griffin is currently working on his doctorate through SEU and is doing a study on resilience. His ultimate goal is to help equip youth pastors and leaders to guide this youngest generation through trauma and onto a solid foundation with Jesus.To find out more about the AZ District of the Assemblies of God visit https://www.azag.org/To find out more about SEU Arizona visit https://seuarizona.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam host a solo episode of Into the FireDebi and Sam discuss the issue of truth and deception in modern world. With AI, fake news, social media and a 24 hour news cycle we are bombarded with information but it can be difficult to sift through to determine what is truth and what is not. Sam and Debi discuss how to analyze information wisely and with discernment and discuss both biblical and practical tools to help you. We highly recommend this 7 minute video on Prager U about how to think objectively https://www.prageru.com/videos/how-to-think-objectivelyTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Beth Boyer, a staff nurse at Choices Pregnancy CentersBeth talks with Debi and Sam about the importance of an ultrasound when a woman is considering or planning to have an abortion. They talk about why your last menstrual period (LMP) is not always an accurate predictor of gestational age which can impact both the failure rate and potential complications of taking the abortion pill. They discuss the dangers of an undetected ectopic pregnancy which can be life threatening.Beth also explains how abortion pills work as well as the abortion pill reversal protocol that can potentially save a baby after the first abortion pill has been administered. Finally Debi, Sam and Beth discuss the lawsuit in Arizona, Isaacson v Arizona, brought forth by two abortionists to eliminate multiple laws in Arizona including informed consent for abortion, the requirement of an ultrasound and prohibition of telemedicine abortions, all of which put women at greater risk and lower the standard of care.To find out more about Choices visit https://choicesaz.com/To find out more about the dangers of the abortion pills visit littlepillsthatkill.comTo find out more about abortion pill reversal visit https://www.abortionpillreversal.com/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychrch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Hughie Johnston, also known as Hughie Vuitton, a former National Boxing Champion.Hughie shares his faith background with Sam and Debi and talks about his career as a fighter and what he learned in that season of life as well as how becoming a father has changed his perspective on issues.He also talks about how he's become a speaker for the MAHA movement to make America healthy again.  Hughie, Sam and Debi talk about how much food impacts our health and how many food producers offer cleaner versions of their products in other countries.   They talk about the MAHA movement and why Americans are asking questions and demanding change.They also talk about sick care versus health care as well as the role that compartmentalized medicine vs holistic medicine and an overemphasis on pharmaceuticals plays on our chronic health problems in America.  To find Hughie on Instagram go to https://www.instagram.com/hughie_vuitton?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==.To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Michael Hunter, C.O.O of Christian Family Care.Michael talks about his own journey of becoming a foster parent and then adopting two children out of the foster care system who are a sibling set and both have special needs.  Michael, Sam and Debi discuss the important work being done at Chirstian Family Care and why Christian non-profits are so important.  They also discuss how politicians sometimes target Christian families or Christian agencies because of their biblical beliefs. This has been happening across the country and happened in Arizona. In her first weeks of office, Governor Katie Hobbs signed an executive order declaring that the state would not do business with Christian agencies even though there was a shortage of foster parents and over half of foster families hold biblical values. To find out more about Christian Family Care visit https://cfcare.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Alison Furno, girls' volleyball coach, former collegiate athlete, and previous co-host of Into the Fire.Alison, Debi and Sam talk about the importance of sports for girls and why it is worth fighting to protect female only sports.  They explain some of the updates in the battle over Title IX both at both the federal and state levels.  They discuss how compassion has been weaponized, especially against Christian women.  Those pushing values that are contrary to the gospel frame them as being compassionate and loving like Jesus. Sam, Alison and Debi talk about the importance of standing for both truth and love, especially as women. Alison also shares an initiative called SALT that she and Debi work with that provides simple monthly civics lessons and community engagement for small groups of believers. To follow Coach Alison on Instagram go to https://www.instagram.com/alisonkayfurno?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== To find out more about SALT go to  https://www.womenforfamiliesandfreedom.org/saltTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Lacy Cooper, an attorney who has held positions such as federal prosecutor , border security section chief in the U.S. Attorney’s Office and Deputy County Attorney in Gila County.Lacy  talks with Debi and Sam about her legal experience and firsthand knowlege of the decades long operation of the Mexican Cartel at our Southern border.Lacy shares the difference between smuggling and trafficking and the different types of criminal activity seen at the border. They discuss the harms of each type of smuggling or trafficking both to the community as well as to those being trafficked or smuggled at the hands of the Cartel.Join us for a thoughtful, informative conversation about the human capital from our broken border as well as some of the changes we have seen since the beginning of 2025Lacy ran for Arizona Attorney General in 2022 and she also talks with Debi and Sam about what the office of state AG does, why it is such an important office and what we need to be paying attention to in that race in 2026To read more about violence in the Darien Gap visit. https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/border-crime/rape-tents-and-sexual-violence-toward-migrants-plague-darien-gap-nonprofit-says/ To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Kaden Matchett, youth director of Dream City Church.  Kaden, Debi and Sam discuss Gen Z, culture, and church.  Gen Z has by far the highest rates of LGBTQ+ self-identification as well as high rates of depression and anxiety. However, there is also a resurgence of traditionalism among Gen Z.  They are returning to God, seeking out traditional denominations over "woke" denominations, and focusing on marriage, family, homeschooling, homesteading and old school gender norms.   Kaden talks about why he feels this is happening, what he sees in todays youth, including the common strugglesHe also talks about getting married and having children at a young age as well as advice for young people looking to start their own families. To follow Dream City Youth on Instagram and find out more about upcoming events, go to https://www.instagram.com/dreamcityyth?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by special guest Marissa Nordlum.  In this very special extended episode, Marissa shares her testimony of motherhood and of how all children are blessings, fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of a God who loves them. At twenty weeks pregnant with their first child, Marissa and her husband Jordan were told by doctors that their precious baby showed markers of having Trisomy 21, more commonly known as Down's Syndrome.  Marissa shares her journey of balancing medical advice and the negative words of medical professionals being spoken over their child, including a recommendation to abort him, with their strong faith in God's enduring plan for their son's life. Marissa talks about the burden she now has for other moms who receive fetal diagnoses and have to walk a similar path.  More care needs to be given in guarding the hearts and minds of parents and valuing and protecting the precious gifts growing in the womb. Here are some helpful linksNavigating Fetal Concerns  https://fetalconcerns.com/Gigi's Playhouse: Down's Syndrome Achievement Center  https://gigisplayhouse.org/phoenix/Down's Syndrome Network  https://dsnetworkaz.org/Sharing Down's Syndrome AZ  https://sharingds.org/Rod's Heroes  https://www.rods.org/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by John Hansen, Vietnam Veteran, retired police officer and author.John served in the Navy during Vietnam, served as a police officer in the state of Washington and over his lifetime also served as a private detective, a bounty hunter, on the Maricopa County Sherrif's mounted posse, and assisted with border security.John wrote a book about his marriage and his wife's battle with cancer as well as a series of historical fiction novels loosely based on his career in law enforcement.The Mystery of the Unseen Hand, Bluesuit Chronicles Book 6 (on Amazon) https://a.co/d/apPZkHUSong of the Waterwheel: The True Story of a Love and Marriage that Beat the Odds by John Hansen. (on Amazon)  https://a.co/d/gQ0mWSiTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Kris Hutson, superintendent of Dream City Christian Schools.Kris, Debi and Sam discuss the importance of Christian education. Children spend roughly 16,000 hours of their lives in school from kindergarten through high school. Are those hours being used to disciple or indoctrinate children? As culture grows increasingly hostile to a biblical worldview, Christian influences become more important.Kris, Debi and Sam also discuss school choice laws in Arizona and how they can help parents make the best educational decisions for their children. They explain ESAs and STOs, how they can help make Christian education affordable for families and how taxpayers, both individuals and businesses can get a dollar for dollar tax credit for STO donations to help other families.  To learn more about Dream City Christian Schools visit hhttps://dreamcityschools.org/To learn about STOs for Christian Schools visit https://acsto.org/Kris Hutson's book recommendations:  "Raising Spiritual Champions" by George Barna, "Indoctrinating our Children to Death" by Alex Newman, and "Battle for the American Mind"  by Pete HegsethTo Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam host a solo episode to provide a crash course of federal, state and local government. The national political landscape takes most of the public focus but we can have the most impact at the local and state level.Debi and Sam explain the basics of what each level of government is responsible for managing, how the Founders intended for that separation to work, and how those lines have become murkier over time.  They also go over some real life examples of how federal and local entities' powers overlap and affect our day to day lives. A breakdown of Federal and State powers https://govfacts.org/explainer/understanding-federalism-vs-states-rights-a-citizens-guide-to-power-in-the-u-s/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Mayra Rodriguez.  Mayra is a former Planned Parenthood trainer and clinic director who is now a national pro-life activist.  Mayra, Debi and Sam discuss taxpayer funding and Planned Parenthood.  Last year, Planned Parenthood received almost 800 million dollars in taxpayer funding, almost 2 million dollars per day.  They discuss why executive orders cannot fully defund Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills. Mayra, Debi and Sam discuss Title X and Medicaid and the ways in which Planned Parenthood abuses the system, takes money from other federally qualified health centers that provide a wider range of services, and often double and triple count services to gain access to more funding. They also discuss why this practice means that their reported percentages of services are not accurate.  For example, they dishonestly claim that abortion only makes up 3% of their services.  There is a current Supreme Court case, Medina v Planned Parenthood South Atlantic, related to state's rights to defund Planned Parenthood through Medicaid and the "Big Beautiful Bill"  passed the US House containing language to defund Planned Parenthood, also through Medicaid.  This episode explains why this type of defunding is critical. To learn more about Mayra visit https://mayrarodriguez.org/en_us/To learn about Planned Parenthood's most recent reported numbers visit https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-planned-parenthoods-2023-24-annual-report/Planned Parenthood and Medicaid fraud https://adflegal.org/press-release/false-claims-and-fraud-lawsuit-exposes-planned-parenthood-deception/South Carolina Supreme Court case https://adflegal.org/article/deceiving-women-is-what-their-business-is-all-about-former-planned-parenthood-director/https://adflegal.org/case/medina-v-planned-parenthood-south-atlantic/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam host a solo episode to discuss some of the ethical concerns within the big money business of the fertility industry.This is an episode you may want to preview before allowing young children to listen.  Debi and Sam discuss the dangers of egg harvesting. Many young women get ads luring them to sell their eggs.  This is also a procedure that is required for both IVF and surrogacy.  However, few are talking about the immediate and long-term consequences of this procedure and the fact that it often involves the exploitation of young women.They also discuss some of the ethical concerns for both mother and child with both IVF and surrogacy.    Just because we CAN do something, does not always mean we SHOULD.  Research more with the following links.Eggs are a Hot Commodity https://www.scu.edu/ethics/healthcare-ethics-blog/eggs-are-a-hot-commodity-a-bioethical-perspective-on-egg-donation/We Need to Talk About Egg Harvesting https://www.womensrights.network/post/we-need-to-talk-about-egg-harvestingThe Eugenics Legacy of IVF https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eugenic-legacy-nobel-ivf/A Growing Number of Abandoned Embryos https://www.nbcnews.com/health/features/nation-s-fertility-clinics-struggle-growing-number-abandoned-embryos-n1040806The Legal Battle over Bodily Autonomy in Surrogacy https://www.californiafamily.org/2023/07/gay-couple-demands-surrogate-mother-with-cancer-abort-baby/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Aubrey Matthesius, co-campus pastor at Dream City ChurchAubrey, Debi and Sam talk about the views and parenting styles of Millennials and Gen Z.   So many young women have been either fearful of motherhood or feel as though it is a negative experience.  Aubrey talks about how she never held a baby or changed a diaper until she had her own child a little over a year ago. She had to re-evaluate her own views on motherhood. Now she is trying to reframe the narrative for other young women so they can see they joy in the experience.Aubrey also talked about getting "old school" parenting tips from older women in the church that have made parenting much more practical and less stressful.  She recently shared some of these tips on social media and her videos went viral, showing that there is a desire among other women to have positive, practical conversations about parenting. To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usDream City ChurchDream City Church is one church in many locations, shining God’s light and impacting a city. From its early beginnings as a tent meeting to becoming a multi-campus church, Dream City Church progressively lives out its mission to reveal Christ to the world by loving people, cultivating community, and inspiring hope.dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Jenna Bentley, director of government affairs, and Matt Beienburg, director of education policy at Goldwater Institute.Debi, Sam,  Jenna and Matt discuss the ballot initiative process and the need to prohibit DEI in state law.In Arizona, there are multiple ways to get a proposition on the ballot. It can be confusing for voters, especially since our laws differ from other states. Jenna breaks down the process, and Debi talks about why it is important to fully vet signature campaigns before helping to get something on the ballot.Matt discussed why an executive order does not solve the DEI problem and how multiple states are drafting legislation to protect their constituents beyond the current presidential administration. To learn more about the Goldwater Institute visit: https://www.azpolicy.org/join-the-cap-network/To learn more about the problems with DEI visit https://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/issues/defeat-dei/To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Dave Ansell, pastor of the Scottsdale campus of Dream City Church.Pastor Dave was a pastor in California prior to joining the Dream City family. He talked about living and holding church services in southern California during the COVID lockdowns and how his eyes were opened to the manipulation and control that was happening. It was ok to protest in the streets and go to pot dispensaries, but churches were supposed to stay closed and singing wasn't allowed.  He eventually took a stand and opened his church when few others in his state were willing.Pastor Dave, Sam and Debi also talked about the difference that church communities can make, even in states that are hostile to Christians.  They talked about the two California campuses of Dream City Church and how God is moving in those communities.To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.us To find out about the Scottsdale campus visit https://dreamcitychurch.us/locations/scottsdale-az/Please follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Sandra Christensen, elected board member of PVUSD governing board. Sandra, Debi and Sam discuss the roles and responsibilities of school boards.  Sandra talks about how she got involved and why she ran for the school board in Paradise Valley. Debi, Sam and Sandra talk about why it is important for Christians to pay attention to what is happening at their local schools even if they do not have children attending. To follow Arizona Women of Action to get more information on what is happening at local school boards and to learn about who is running in the next election, visit https://www.azwomenofaction.com/ To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Peter Gentala, president of the Center for Arizona Policy.  Peter was formerly an attorney with the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.  Please note that while this episode is not sexually explicit, it does discuss adult topics. Please preview before allowing young children to listen.Peter, Debi, and Sam discuss the issue of sexual exploitation of minors on the internet, including the growing number of "sextortion" cases. In those instances, teenage boys are either enticed, tricked or threatened into sending sexually explicit content to someone who then blackmails them.  There have been a number of suicides connected to this crime. Peter, Debi, and Sam discuss the need to change some of our federal and state-level laws to better protect victims and to prevent the targeting of children.  This includes a need to revisit Section 230, which shields internet companies from liability for actively distributing or refusing to remove child sexual abuse material. (CSAM)To learn more about the Center for Arizona Policy, visit: https://www.azpolicy.org/join-the-cap-network/To learn about Protect Young Eyes: https://www.protectyoungeyes.com/To hear testimony on the child internet sexual exploitation case mentioned on this episode,  Does v. Twitter Oral Argument – February 3, 2025: https://youtu.be/9hxCGDpsxxs?si=NIek64TyDoygX0juTo view the NCOSE 2025 – “Dirty Dozen List” Briefing focusing on Section 230 (including interview with Twitter mom): https://youtu.be/5bqtAKo0Oc0?si=iFkm-saXwOJJi3uATo find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating, and leave a review

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by Lisa Santagate, co-director of Dream Marriage and co-director of Wellness Ministries at Dream City ChurchLisa, Debi and Sam discuss the issue of mental health within the church.  The rates of depression, anxiety and other mental health issues are basically the same in and out of the church. Why?Lisa talks about the fruit of the Spirit, how we can tell if we are bearing good or bad fruit and how to make changes by spending time with God and with other believers.  They discuss some practical applications of advocating for your own wellness and getting to the bottom of whether issues are related to something physical, mental, or related to past trauma as well as when to get professional help.  To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!

This week, Debi and Sam are joined by David Weaver, volunteer leader at Dream City ChurchDavid, Sam and Debi talk about David's journey of coming to know the Lord in his 40s.  He talks about how other men in the church modeled what it means to be a father and a husband, something he had never really seen before.  David, Sam and Debi also talk about the term "toxic masculinity"  and why we need strong, godly men in society.  We need men to be a strong presence in homes, with children and in society or society becomes unbalanced. But, those men must be sanctified by spending time with God and in healthy relationships with other Christian men.To Find out more about Dream City Church https://dreamcitychurch.usPlease follow Into the Fire podcast on your favorite podcast platform, give us a 5-star rating and leave a review!