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NOT the Sermon

NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!

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    Episode 113: Sermonaughty Pt3 : Sermonaughtiest

    In this episode Jamie & Eric rapid fire through multiple questions in their sermonaughty style. This is the "questions" episode where the boys take on questions from the practical to the bizarre. Skybalon: Bingeing the Bible & Men's Retreats Seggie 1: Sermon amen-ing, single parent dating advice, and cross-gender praying Seggie 2: Self Condemnation and church competition Seggie 3: Christians, Harry Potter, and Santa Claus   Make sure the check out the Not The Sermon Patreon for insider trading, unreleased content, and behind the scenes footage of each episode.  

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    Episode 112: "Flickin the Boogalon"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking lesser-known candies and Jamie’s very unfortunate zit situation. In Weird Worship, they react to a Taylor Swift tribute happening in a church service and ask where the line is. In Odd News, they cover a bizarre story of three people committing insurance fraud while dressed in a bear suit. Finally, in Shady Theology, they unpack John Piper’s “frogs” analogy and what it says about total depravity. It’s weird, hilarious, and theologically spicy—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 111: Shanghai Shenanigans

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric shares about getting a suspicious “Royal Mail” scam letter straight from the UK. In Shady Theology, they dive into the debate over once saved, always saved—what it means and why Christians don’t all agree. In The Megachurch Moment, they react to Joel Osteen’s unexpected interview with Jake Paul. Finally, in Houston, We Have a Question, they wrestle with a big-picture question: will we remember Earth and our lives here when we’re with God? It’s curious, conversational, and just the right amount of spicy—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 110: "Pod-Keister"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking about the weird, foggy feeling of the post-Easter daze and how hard it is to get back to normal life after a big Sunday. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle whether practical jokes have a place in church culture—or if they cross a line. In Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a foundational question: what’s the right way to pray? Finally, in Odd News, they cover a surprising story of a church inviting a tattoo artist into the foyer—raising eyebrows and questions all at once. It’s thoughtful, a little controversial, and very on brand—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 109: "He's Gone Full Bun"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, unpacking Alex’s departure and asking if maybe they’re the problem, along with Jamie sharing a recent preaching scare. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle how to handle gossip in a healthy, biblical way. In Pester the Pastor, they dig into the classic “unspoken prayer request” and how we are supposed to read your mind. Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, they explore the mystery and myths surrounding the Freemasons. It’s honest, awkward, and just conspiratorial enough—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 108: "Eddie, Get Off the Drums!"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric recounts the chaos of driving the church van through a storm. In Shady Theology, they tackle the ongoing debate: is a paper Bible actually better than digital? In So Help Meme God, they react to the now-infamous “Eddie on the drums” moment. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a practical preaching question—when is it appropriate to use other people’s stories in a sermon? It’s chaotic, relatable, and sneakily thoughtful—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 107: "Would You Like Flies with That?"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie airs out some fresh beef with Eric and things get just a little tense. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle a round of conspiracy-themed listener questions. Then in Christian Conspiracies, they dive into the popular claim that Jesus is just a retelling of Horus—and whether there’s actually anything to it. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they discuss pastors and personality types, and how much personality should shape leadership in the church. It’s spicy, skeptical, and full of banter—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 106: "Hill-Psalms"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, sharing some behind-the-scenes conference hijinks as they and another pastor find ways to entertain themselves on the road. In Shady Theology, they tackle the rise of house churches—are they a return to a biblical model or just anti-establishment energy in disguise? In Weird Worship, they ask a question many are thinking: is worship just too loud? Finally, in Oh My, Your Greek Is Showing, the guys break down metanoia—what repentance really means and why it’s more than just saying sorry. It’s reflective, funny, and just theological enough—welcome to Not the Sermon. 🎙️

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    Episode 105: "This is Why People Don't Like You"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon  talking about death row final meals. In Houston, We Have a Question, they talk about the surprising Christian history of piñatas. In How Great Is Our Pod, they debut a new spoof song, “The Spirit Is Speaking…Probably.” Finally, in Shady Theology, they unpack positive confession and the crossover between Word of Faith teachings and New Age thinking. It’s ridiculous, historical, and theologically spicy—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:18 – Skybalon: Death row meals 00:11:36 – Houston, We Have a Question: Piñatas as evangelism 00:21:11 – How Great Is Our Pod: The Spirit Is Speaking…Probably 00:30:08 – Shady Theology: Positive confession

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    Episode 104: "Milk Boarding"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, reacting to Eric’s new life-size Steve Irwin cutout and debating the questionable survival advice for confronting predators. In Houston, We Have a Question, they answer a listener curiosity: do they ever get pushback or flack for the things they say on the podcast? In Odd News, they cover a truly disgusting story of a man who sprinkled his own armpit hair into a restaurant meal in a “pit-full” attempt to get it for free. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they tackle whether churches should follow the traditional church calendar or stick to their own rhythms. It’s weird, gross, and theologically curious—welcome to Not the Sermon.  00:00:16 – Skybalon: Steve Irwin, running from alligators & punching sharks 00:10:42 – Houston, We Have a Question: Do we ever get flack for this podcast? 00:24:43 – Odd News: A “pit-full” attempt at a free dinner 00:33:26 – Pester the Pastor: Should churches follow the church calendar?

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    Episode 103: "The Plaid Fairy"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric proves once again that math is not his spiritual gift and Jamie finds himself getting unexpectedly plaid-bombed. In Shady Theology, they tackle kenosis—what it means that Christ “emptied himself” and why that doctrine matters more than we think. In So Help Meme God, they explore the sad (and slightly hilarious) plight of associate pastors everywhere. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a timely question: when should pastors speak up about politics—and when should they stay quiet? It’s self-aware, theologically rich, and appropriately plaid—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 102: "Blasting Ops While Praising Pops"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie confesses to a prank he pulled on Eric, and Alex shares a traumatic tale of his personal space being violated at a Japanese restaurant. In The Bible Says Whaaat?!, they dive into Genesis 34 and unpack the infamous circumcision battle—what actually happened and why it’s in the Bible. In Houston, We Have a Question, they wrestle with violent video games and Christian content, asking where discernment fits in a digital world. Finally, in Shady Theology, they tackle church discipline—what it’s meant to be, and how it often goes wrong. It’s awkward, intense, and sneakily theological—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:20 – Skybalon: Jamie’s prank & Alex’s personal space 00:10:49 – The Bible Says Whaaat?!: The circumcision massacre (Genesis 34) 00:25:52 – Houston, We Have a Question: Violent video games & Christian content 00:39:13 – Shady Theology: Church discipline

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    Episode 101: "Mosquitoes Form Gangs

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie vents about the mysterious and deeply offensive concept of the “feels like” temperature during cold weather season. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle two listener curiosities: what is the best spiritual gift, and where did the ichthus fish symbol actually come from? In Weird Worship, they wrestle with the phrase “praise as a weapon” and whether that language helps or hurts our understanding of worship. Finally, in Shady Theology, they unpack the controversy surrounding Bethel and Shawn Bolz, including the questions around prophetic words and data mining. It’s thoughtful, a little spicy, and perfectly on brand—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:17 – Skybalon: Jamie’s problem with the “feels like” temp 00:09:51 – Houston, We Have a Question: The best spiritual gift & the fish symbol 00:23:13 – Weird Worship: Praise as a weapon 00:33:10 – Shady Theology: Bethel & Shawn Bolz

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    100th Episode Live Show!: "You Turn Deer Into Spacemen"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric, joined by Producer Alex & Phoenix, celebrate their 100th episode with a live show filmed and recorded in front of a studio audience—packed with extra segments, throwbacks, and unhinged banter. In Shooting the Skybalon, they revisit their favorite moments from the first 100 episodes. In Shady Theology, they take on nondenominationalism and what it really means (and doesn’t mean). How Great is Our Pod gets a special live twist with a worship Mad-Lib, resulting in the unforgettable anthem “Nothing Is Better Than Cake.” Eric brings the heat in Eric’s Edumakation by breaking down what worship actually is, followed by Houston, We Have a Question, where the guys receive a live question offering from the audience. They wrap it all up with a crowd-involved game of Stand Up If… and plenty of moments you could only get from a live show. It’s loud, ridiculous, and a perfect snapshot of what the first 100 episodes have been all about—welcome to Not the Sermon.

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    Episode 99: "Chewy, Breaux, and Hazel"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie admits to using a church member as a lock-up wingman to avoid closing duties, and the guys talk about how pastors have quietly become full-time content machines. In Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with Christians and media consumption, asking what a healthy relationship with the digital world actually looks like. In Odd News, they cover a strange article about dogs learning vocabulary and habits from their owners. Finally, in Shady Theology, they dig into the clergy vs. laity divide and where that line came from in the first place. It’s honest, weird, and uncomfortably relevant—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:15 – Skybalon: Lock-up wingman & holy content machines 00:11:07 – Pester the Pastor: Media consumption 00:24:51 – Odd News: Dogs learning vocabulary from their owners 00:35:29 – Shady Theology: The clergy vs. laity divide

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    Episode 98: "Clicks, Grunts, and Curse Words"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, joined by Eric’s sister, Madison. The conversation quickly goes off the rails as Jamie shares his near death experience and Madison starts sharing stories that Eric probably hoped would stay private. In Shady Theology, they wrestle with whether it’s actually okay to share ministry stats and numbers. Madison sticks around to give us even more dirt on Eric, because of course she does. Finally, in Oh My, Your Greek Is Showing, the guys break down pistis and what the Bible really means when it talks about faith. It’s chaotic, revealing, and sneakily theological—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:14 – Skybalon: Jamie chokes & Eric’s sister joins the pod 00:10:15 – Shady Theology: Ministry stats 00:22:11 – Interview: Interviewing Eric’s sister 00:32:35 – Your Greek Is Showing: Pistis  

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    Episode 97: "Sloppy Wet Cough"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking about the telltale signs that someone just won the lottery and why everyone seems to be weirdly obsessed with Eric’s hair. In Shady Theology, they dive into purgatory—where the idea came from, why it stuck, and why it still sparks debate. Then it’s game time with The Slang Game, where they try to guess the meanings of ancient slang terms and quickly realize people have always been weird. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they tackle magic in the Bible and ask what to do with supernatural activity that doesn’t seem to come directly from God. It’s funny, curious, and theologically mischievous—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:18 – Skybalon: Winning the lottery & Eric’s hair 00:10:00 – Shady Theology: Purgatory 00:20:28 – Game: The Slang Game 00:31:27 – Pester the Pastor: Magic in the Bible

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    Episode 96: "Respectfully, Shut Up"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, as Jamie shares a wild overseas story involving a one-legged man paying him mid-sermon. In The Bible Says What?!, they dig into two eyebrow-raising passages—Lot’s daughters and Paul’s instructions on head coverings. In Pester the Pastor, they tackle a practical question every preacher faces: how long should a sermon be, really? Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, they take on the claim that Jesus had a wife and sort out where the idea comes from—and why it doesn’t hold up. It’s strange, thoughtful, and unapologetically curious—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:16 – Skybalon: One-legged man 00:10:26 – The Bible Says What?!: Lot’s daughters & head coverings 00:24:49 – Pester the Pastor: How long should a sermon be? 00:35:17 – Christian Conspiracies: Jesus’ wife

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    Episode 95: "Fresh Year, Fresh Heresy"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, roasting listeners’ Spotify Wrapped results and reacting to a mysterious Sermonot gift. In Shady Theology, they wade into deep waters with annihilationism and conditional immortality—what they are, why people believe them, and why they matter. Then it’s game time with a New Year’s Sermon Mad-Lib, where things go off the rails fast. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they tackle Preachers & Sneakers—asking how much pastors should spend on clothes, cars, and homes, and where wisdom, optics, and integrity collide. It’s sharp, funny, and theologically spicy—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:18 – Skybalon: Roasting listeners’ Wrapped & a Sermonot gift 00:10:07 – Shady Theology: Annihilation & conditional immortality 00:26:10 – Game: A New Year’s sermon Mad-Lib 00:34:31 – Pester the Pastor: How much should pastors spend on clothes, cars, and homes?

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    Episode 94: "Post-Diabetic"

    In this episode, Eric & Alex are joined by Not the Sermon's #1 fan, Cory! They kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking New Year’s resolutions and why they almost never survive January. In So Help Meme God, they react to a wild video of a man getting tackled while trying to attack a pastor. In Houston, We Have a Question, they dig into the role of the Ten Commandments and how they’re meant to function in the life of the church today. Finally, in Odd News, they cover a bizarre article about donating pets as food—yes, it’s exactly as strange as it sounds. It’s chaotic, thoughtful, and just the right amount of unhinged—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:12 – Skybalon: New Year’s resolutions 00:09:18 – So Help Meme God: Tackled at the altar 00:20:50 – Pester the Pastor: The Ten Commandments 00:34:29 – Odd News: Pets as food

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    Episode 93: "Holiday Confusion"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking holiday plans, Mariah Carey’s annual resurrection, and the mystery of Jehovah Witness "Halls". In Shady Theology, they take a closer look at manger scenes and why they’re almost never biblically accurate. Then it’s game time with Life’s a Preach: Christmas Edition, where they try to build a sermon out of three completely random items. In Pester the Pastor, they offer some much-needed holiday financial wisdom on staying smart when spending ramps up. Finally, they debut O Baptist Church with Lots of Ham, a Christmas carol spoof with a very Baptist twist. It’s festive, ridiculous, and just theological enough—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:24 – Skybalon: Holiday plans, Mariah Carey, & JWs 00:09:57 – Shady Theology: Manger scenes 00:22:45 – Life’s a Preach: Christmas edition 00:28:27 – Pester the Pastor: Holiday financial wisdom 00:37:13 – Baptist Christmas Carol: O Baptist Church with Lots of Ham

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    Episode 92: Rainbows, Butterflies & Skittles Falling from the Sky"

    In this episode, Eric & Alex start with Shooting the Skybalon, roasting Eric’s painfully underwhelming Spotify Wrapped. In Pester the Guest, they flip the script and pester their guest co-host about the real purpose of parachurch ministries. In Shady Theology, they wrestle with a challenging question: did Jesus actually make it hard to follow Him? Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, Eric breaks down the key differences between preaching and teaching. It’s reflective, spicy, and just self-aware enough—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:08 – Skybalon: Roasting Eric’s Spotify Wrapped 00:10:31 – Pester the Guest: Churches and para-church ministries 00:23:41 – Shady Theology: Did Jesus make it hard to follow Him? 00:34:39 – Eric’s Edumakation: Preaching vs. teaching

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    Episode 91: Drip Coffee & Flintstone Vitamins

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, pulling back the curtain on what it really takes to organize a baptism Sunday. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle why Jesus cursed the fig tree and what that moment was actually about. Then it’s game time with 1-Second Christmas Songs, where they try to identify Christmas classics after hearing just one second. Finally, in The Bible Says Whaaat?!, they unpack the strange stories of Noah’s nakedness and Moses calling himself the most humble man alive. It’s fun, weird, and packed with biblical surprises—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:12 – Skybalon: Baptism Sunday 00:12:07 – Houston, We Have a Question: Cursing the fig tree 00:22:40 – Game: 1-Second Christmas Songs 00:32:53 – Bible Says Whaaat?!: Noah’s nakedness & Moses’ humility

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    Episode 90: "My Glutes Are Crying"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie talks about officiating a Sermonot wedding and Eric shares how his “guest speaker workout” turned into an accidental leg day. In Christian Conspiracies, they dive into the strange and sensational world of the Red Heifer theories. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle how churches should select worship songs and what actually makes a song theologically trustworthy. Finally, in Odd News, they cover a classic: a naked Florida Man doing lawn care like it’s completely normal. It’s wild, ridiculous, and just theological enough—welcome to Not the Sermon 00:00:13 – Skybalon: Sermonot wedding & leg day 00:09:36 – Christian Conspiracies: The Red Heifer 00:20:21 – Houston, We Have a Question: How should a church select worship songs? 00:38:03 – Odd News: Naked Florida Man does lawn care  

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    Episode 89: "Spanx-Giving"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking poddy humor and the chaos of Black Friday shopping. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle listener questions about whether spouses should hold each other accountable spiritually and whether the Holy Spirit speaks to people in comas. Then in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a new Thanksgiving-themed parody: Here I Am to Pig Out. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they answer a timely question—how do you stay thankful? It’s fun, honest, and the perfect mix of theology and nonsense—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:15 – Skybalon: Poddy humor and Black Friday 00:10:54 – Houston, We Have a Question: Spousal accountability & comas 00:22:52 – How Great is Our Pod: Here I Am to Pig Out 00:28:26 – Pester the Pastor: How do you stay thankful?

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    Episode 88: "What's Drugs?"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie calls out Eric for making faces at him during a serious ministry moment, and the guys reflect on how the D.A.R.E. program failed an entire generation. In Pilgrim or Florida Man?, they debut a new game where they read insane headlines and try to guess whether the chaos came from early American settlers or modern-day Floridians. In Shady Theology, they take on the heavy question of whether God hates some people. Finally, in Weird Worship, they get honest about how often Christians end up lying in worship songs without even realizing it. It’s equal parts hilarious and thought-provoking—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:12 – Skybalon: Distracting Jamie during ministry 00:09:58 – Game: Pilgrim or Florida Man? 00:21:09 – Shady Theology: Does God hate some people? 00:34:01 – Weird Worship: Lying in worship songs

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    Episode 87: "Daddy Needs Snake Eyes"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric start off with Shooting the Skybalon, featuring The Crazy Halloween Lady—a woman who messaged the church calling it a “synagogue of Satan” for hosting Trunk or Treat. In Shady Theology, they explore Holiday Rituals and Symbols—from jack-o-lanterns to Christmas trees—and ask if these traditions are kosher for Christians. Then, in Houston, We Have a Question, they take on listener questions: is casting lots a valid way to discern God’s will, will Not the Sermon ever release an album, and can we guess the date of "the end"? Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, they break down Churches and Legal Liability—what pastors and leaders need to know before the paperwork hits the fan. It’s funny, fiery, and a little too real—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:11 – Shooting the Skybalon: The Crazy Halloween Lady 00:09:41 – Shady Theology: Holiday rituals and symbols 00:24:18 – Houston, We Have a Question: Casting lots, NTS album, and rapture guessing 00:35:11 – Eric’s Edumakation: Churches and legal liability

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    Episode 86: "Lordship Weader"

    In this episode of Not the Sermon, the boys are back from overseas—jetlagged, dog-bitten, and running on fumes. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric shares the chaos of losing one dog and getting bitten by the other. Pester the Pastor tackles the balance between local and international ministry. In Weird Worship they dive into whether worship teams should use backing tracks, and Your Greek is Showing unpacks three Greek words for “sin.” It’s equal parts chaos, conviction, and comedy—the perfect Not the Sermon mix. 00:00:14 Shooting the Skybalon: Jetlag, Eric’s Dog Woes, and COPS 00:10:35 Pester the Pastor: How Much Should Churches Minister Overseas? 00:21:31 Weird Worship: Should Worship Bands Use Backing Tracks? 00:36:15 Your Greek Is Showing: Three Words for “Sin” in the Bible

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    Episode 85: "The Goat is Coming"

    You are in for special treat! This is an "on site" recording from a recent international trip that Jamie & Eric took. They give you on-the-ground information about the state of Christianity abroad and share some of the precious moments, mishaps, and delirium they experienced on the trip!  [00:00:20] Part 1: Funny Stories   [00:20:37] Part 2: Ministry Update   [00:31:28] Part 3: Airport Lounge Wrap Up

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    Episode 84: "I'd Rather Hunt Cows Than Deer"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric are back from India… kind of. In Shooting the Skybalon, they talk planes, trains, and autorickshaws In The Bible Says What?!, they dive into wisdom literature and how it hilariously reminds us of how dumb we can be. Then in Communion Clapback, they respond to all the snarky social media comments. Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the idea of God’s wrath—what it is, what it isn’t, and why it’s not as simple as people think. It’s global, theological, and just the right amount of unhinged—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:14 – Shooting the Skybalon: Planes, trains, and autorickshaws 00:12:21 – The Bible Says What?!: The dumb man & Jezebel 00:22:02 – Communion Clapback: Responding to the comment section 00:34:57 – Shady Theology: God’s wrath

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    Episode 83: "Did I Ruin the Eppy?"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, asking life’s tough questions: how much effort is too much when squeezing cheese out of the mac-and-cheese packet? Plus, Jamie shares how State Farm dumped him like a crazy ex—only to come crawling back. In Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a hot topic: should kids stay in the main service with their parents, or do they need their own space? Then in Odd News, things get bizarre with a scuba-suited man robbing a store at Disney Springs. Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, they open up the strange world of the Book of Enoch—complete with angels, demons, forbidden metallurgy, and claims the Catholic Church has been hiding it all. It’s equal parts hilarious and thought-provoking—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:15 – Shooting the Skybalon: Cheese packets & State Farm drama 00:11:16 – Pester the Pastor: Should kids be separated from adults in church? 00:23:17 – Odd News: Scuba gear robbery at Disney Springs 00:31:45 – Christian Conspiracies: The Book of Enoch Wanna support the ministry of NOT the Sermon and see some behind the scene footage and inbetween segment insults? Check us out on Patreon!  https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon

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    Episode 82: "Happy Caw"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric accidentally plays a clip with a not-so-holy word during a staff meeting. In Shady Theology, the guys dig into the theology of speaking in tongues—what it is, what it’s for, and why it still matters. Next up in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a “prodigal” worship song with a special guest (hint, hint). Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they ask if multi-level marketing has any place in the church—or if it’s just spiritual spam. It’s raw, funny, and loaded with the mix of memes and theology you didn’t know you needed—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:13 – Shooting the Skybalon: Bad words in a staff meeting 00:11:06 – Shady Theology: Speaking in tongues 00:24:41 – How Great is Our Pod: A prodigal worship song 00:38:23 – Pester the Pastor: MLMs in the church Wanna see these ugly mugs and get behind the scenes footage? Check out our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon

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    Episode 81: "That's When My Balloon Tiger Popped"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric dives into the strange world of the Amish Mafia and Jamie talks about staff meeting word games. In Weird Worship, they ask if there’s a secret worship cabal—are just a handful of people running the whole industry? Then it’s on to Odd News, where they debate whether becoming a Christian actually makes you “hotter.” Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a practical question: is it okay for churches to track metrics like attendance and giving? It’s bizarre, hilarious, and just the right mix of memes and ministry—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Amish Mafia & word games 00:09:32 – Weird Worship: The worship cabal 00:23:37 – Odd News: Are Christians hotter? 00:33:04 – Pester the Pastor: Should churches track metrics?

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    Episode 80: "Smoking On Gas Station Theology"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, swapping stories about college football heartbreak and debating whether you’ve got a “bestie” or a “worstie.” In Shady Theology, they wrestle with the tough question: Does God cause natural disasters? Then in Pester the Pastor, Eric manages to trigger Jamie during a heated discussion on small groups—are they helpful or just hype? Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, the guys dive into a wild one: was John the Baptist actually the real Messiah? 00:00:17 – Shooting the Skybalon: College football & besties vs. worsties 00:12:47 – Shady Theology: Does God cause natural disasters? 00:24:44 – Pester the Pastor: Eric triggers Jamie about small groups 00:35:09 – Christian Conspiracies: Was John the Baptist the real Messiah?

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    Episode 79: "Man Shame"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie leaves Phoenix an unfortunate voicemail and Eric ends up with a female locksmith story he can’t shake. In Weird Worship, the guys unpack the social media spat between Cory Asbury and Forrest Frank—asking if worship leaders should rise above the drama and act as role models. Next, in Houston, We Have a Question, they dive into the confusing world of end-times theology by asking the big one: Who is the Antichrist? Finally, in The Bible Says What!?, they wrestle with Paul telling the Judaizers he wishes they’d castrate themselves, plus an obscure Ecclesiastes passage about casting your bread. 00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Voicemails & locksmith stories 00:12:30 – Weird Worship: Cory Asbury & Forrest Frank drama 00:27:48 – Houston, We Have a Question: Who is the Antichrist? 00:36:35 – The Bible Says What?!: Judaizers & casting your bread

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    Episode 78: "An Enraged Chimpanzee in a Small Cage"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where a Sermonot takes a stab at interpreting Eric’s dream, and Jamie goes off on people who insist on backing into parking spaces. In Pester the Pastor, the guys dig into the Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule and whether it’s wisdom or overkill. Then, in How Great is Our Pod, they debut Goodbye Sanity—a parody of Elevation Rhythm’s Goodbye Yesterday that you’ll never hear in church (for good reason). Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the rapture—what it is, where it came from, and why it might not mean what you think. 00:00:16 – Shooting the Skybalon: Dream interpreters & parking space rants 00:10:25 – Pester the Pastor: The Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule 00:23:33 – How Great is Our Pod: Goodbye Sanity parody 00:31:57 – Shady Theology: The Rapture

  37. 89

    Episode 77: "Gees Croyce"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric serve up a fresh round of theology, comedy, and chaos. In Shooting the Skybalon, Jamie tells the story of a fine dining experience that somehow featured a DJ, while Eric shares about catching a stray “Pharisee” insult in the church foyer. Next, in Shady Theology, the guys dive into stories of people claiming to visit heaven—are they legit or just tall tales? Over in So Help Meme God, they can’t stop laughing at “Gees Croyse We Luv U, God,” a viral moment featuring an overly excited guy breakdancing for Jesus. Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, Eric breaks down the major atonement theories, why they exist, and why they actually matter for everyday faith.

  38. 88

    Episode 76: "MOOOODALISM"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric bring you MOOODALISM!!! and everything that comes with it. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric owns up to a Facebook joke about compassion that may have landed a little too harsh, while Jamie recounts a mishap at a funeral. In Houston, We Have a Question, the guys tackle the big one: Modalism vs. the Trinity—why it matters, and how to keep your theology straight. Over in Weird Worship, they riff on Brandon Lake’s push for worship songs that actually connect with the average Christian—yes, even Bubba. And in Pester the Pastor, they dig into how to respond when prophecy goes sideways and weigh in on the latest Shawn Bolz controversy. 00:00:12 – Shooting the Skybalon: Eric’s compassion post joke & Jamie’s funeral mishap 00:09:20 – Houston, We Have a Question: Modalism vs. the Trinity 00:24:22 – Weird Worship: Brandon Lake, Bubba, and worship songs for the average Christian 00:36:31 – Pester the Pastor: Responding to false prophecy & the Shawn Bolz accusations

  39. 87

    Episode 75: "Cartoon Dog Chest Tattoo"

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about whether baptism is necessary, they show a little greek with the 4 Greek words for love, and play their favorite game, "Life's a Preach!"   Don't forget to check us out on Patreon where you can see our ugly mugs and get a little bit closer to the action! https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon 00:00:12 Shooting the Skybalon: Mormon Temples and Chest Tattoos   00:10:17 Shady Theology: Baptism   00:25:34 Life's a Preach!   00:33:24 Your Greek is Showing: Love  

  40. 86

    Episode 74: "1080 Boys in a 4k World"

    Season 3 is finally here! And we’re back, baby! Jamie and Eric return with a fresh batch of unfiltered (it's definitely filtered) comedy and theology. In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off by Shooting the Skybalon with a roast poem from one our listeners. They move on to Shady Theology, diving into the weird world of church membership. In Bible Says What!? they ask why John ran faster than Peter and discuss the nature of Bathroom Law.  In Pester the Pastor, they wade into the messy pool of Christian celebrity culture. Want to see our ugly mugs while we record? Check out our Patreon for video episodes and more behind-the-scenes chaos: https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon

  41. 85

    Summer Short Shorts #5: That Time Possums Moved Into Jamie's House

    In this episode, Jamie & Eric are joined by Jamie's wife Tiffany to talk about the time giant possum and her family moved into Jamie's house! Season 3 begins August 11th! Stay tuned for some major announcements and new features!

  42. 84

    REPOST: "Deep Fried Hymns"

    REPOST: In this episode, Jamie. & Eric talk denominations, cults, and heresy hunters! They also release a new NTS original song "My Name is On a Mailbox, Down the Great Dirt Road of Heaven"   Season 3 is right around the corner! Keep on keeping on, Sermonots!

  43. 83

    Summer Short Shorts #4: A Mid-Summer Shady"

    In this episode Jamie & Eric are reunited (and it feels so good)! The boys shoot the skybalon, give some summer updates, and then dive in to their mid-summer shady...theology: Confession.

  44. 82

    Summer Short Shorts #3: "I Survived Jamie's Youth Group"

    In this episode Jamie brings on friend and former youth group member Doug to discuss the wild west of the mid 2000's youth group era. Enjoy!

  45. 81

    Sermonot Fav: REPOST: Holy Debauchery

    Let’s rewind to our most listened-to episode of 2024: Holy Debauchery! Jamie and Eric were live on-site in Orlando, Florida, joined by a few staff pastors to talk all things conference culture, pastors tithing, and more. And don’t miss the original roast song written by a Sermonot.

  46. 80

    Summer Short Shorts #2: Stuck on a train in Switzerland

    Fresh off the podcasting press, Eric is joined by a special guest, Cynthia Bryan as he debriefs from his sabbatical and talks about how he got stuck on a train in Switzerland.

  47. 79

    Jamie's Fav: REPOST: Dead Boat with a Cold

    One of Jamie's favorite NTS episodes. Enjoy! 00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Tongue Twisters   00:08:19 Eric's Edumakation: The Gospel Overseas   00:22:32 So Help Meme God: Funeral Music   00:34:33 Pester the Pastor: Conflict  

  48. 78

    Summer Short Shorts #1: That time Jamie almost paralyzed a middle schooler

    Rejoice, Sermonots - it's our first Summer Short Short! Join Jamie and his wife Tiffany as they talk about the time Jamie almost paralyzed one of his children's classmates. Tiff also takes a quiz to prove if she's really been listening to her husband's podcast. Hilarity ensues!

  49. 77

    Eric's Fav: REPOST: Momma Bear Needs Her Wine

    Enjoy one of Eric's favorite episodes from Season 1: Momma Bear Needs Her Wine! 00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Happy New Year   00:10:04 Pester the Pastor: Daniel Fasts   00:22:24 Shady Theology: Alcohol   00:32:23 Houston, We Have a Question: Pets in Heaven  

  50. 76

    Episode 73: "A Maniacal Party"

    The final episode of Season 2! Don't be dismayed, Not the Sermon will be releasing our "Summer Short Shorts" episodes throughout the summer, along with Jamie & Eric's favorite episodes from the past 2 seasons. In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about the spiritual gift of time travel, release a new song, and review some of the highlights from Season 2. 00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Season 2 Review   00:10:53 Shady Theology: Revival   00:27:12 So Help Meme God: Time Travel   00:37:52 How Great is Our Pod: Summer Time  

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NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!

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