Optimized Equine Podcast

Daniel Dauphin returns to the Optimized Equine Podcast and this time we're giving him the spotlight on his specialty — bits. But don't let that fool you into thinking this is a niche episode. If you ride a horse, this conversation is for you.Daniel is a horsemanship clinician with a background in mechanical engineering and animal science, and he has spent years diving deep into the science, anatomy, and mechanics of bits and bridles. He is the creator of The Bit Course, a comprehensive online program that has been adopted as a teaching resource by 25 universities across the country.In this episode, Daniel challenges some of the most deeply held beliefs in the equine world — from the nutcracker effect to the foamy mouth myth — and explains why so many of the things we've been taught to look for as signs of a happy, working horse are actually red flags in disguise.We also explore the role of the tongue in whole body function, why bit fit matters more than bit design, and why adding more gear is almost never the answer.Whether you're an English rider, a Western rider, or anywhere in between, this episode will change the way you look at what's in your horse's mouth — and what's in your hands.Connect with Daniel Dauphin:TheBitCourse.comDauphinHorsemanship.comAdult Onset Horsemanship PodcastDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters[00:00] Welcome and Introduction[00:37] How Daniel Became the Bit Guy[02:24] Why Bits Are a Bigger Topic Than You Think[04:57] It All Comes Back to the Tongue[06:42] A Brief History of Bits[07:50] The Origins of Bitless Riding[09:39] If You Could Rewrite the Rules[12:25] The Two Wrinkle Problem[13:30] The Mouth Seal and Why It Matters[16:09] Mouthpiece Design and Surface Area[18:44] The Single Jointed Snaffle[19:32] The Tom Thumb Bit[23:37] The Waterford Bit[25:35] Debunking the Nutcracker Effect[30:40] Protecting the Horse Through Education[33:23] What Foamy Mouth Actually Means[34:10] Tongue Ties in Racehorses[36:09] Drop Nosebands and Mouth Closing Devices[38:08] The Tongue's Connection to the Whole Body[40:53] Draw Reins and Behind the Vertical[41:44] Throat Latch Angle and the Horse's Eye[44:38] Nervous System Regulation and the Mouth[46:30] When Bit Problems Aren't Really Bit Problems[47:46] Going Bitless Doesn't Exempt You From This Work[53:01] Shank Bits[58:39] The English World and Contact[1:02:00] The Pelham and Converter[1:04:26] When the Gear Becomes the Problem[1:06:35] Mouth Guards and Gimmicks[1:10:06] The Bit Course[1:14:17] Closing and Where to Find Daniel

In this Optimized Equine Mini, Tamara Lee Barrett works with a horse owner whose horse displays nippy, mouthy behavior during in-hand work. Rather than addressing the biting directly, Tamara guides the owner to zoom out and read what the horse is communicating well before the behavior ever surfaces.Tamara walks her through an exercise focused on finding the distance where the horse is truly comfortable before proceeding. Recognizing subtle signals and learning to stay present without inadvertently adding pressure lead to finding real softness, rather than just managing symptoms.Later in the conversation, the horse begins approaching his owner during a break and she wonders whether to reward him with a pet or scratch. Tamara reframes the moment entirely, sharing her perspective on what a genuine release and reset looks like, as well as offering a more thoughtful way to incorporate physical touch if the owner chooses.A practical, perspective-shifting episode for anyone dealing with a horse who is mouthy, sensitive, or “cranky.”Don’t forget to click follow or subscribe, rate the show, and share with a friend. It takes just a moment, but helps so much! Visit tamaraleebarrett.com for more episodes and info on virtual or in-person coaching and consulting. 

In this episode, Tamara is joined by Lydia Heywood, founder of Cool Ridings in England and international eventing rider for Jamaica, and McKrell Baier of Bridge Up Giddy Up and the US Equestrian Society. Together, the three dig into what it really takes to grow and sustain equestrian sport — from building inclusive communities at the grassroots level, to the very real threat of horse sport losing its place in the Olympics. Lydia shares her journey that led to competing internationally, and the leap she just took to run Cool Ridings full time. McKrell and Lydia reflect on how much they have in common despite coming from very different worlds, and why diversity isn't just a feel-good idea — it's the answer to nearly every challenge the equestrian world is facing right now.You can follow Lydia Heywood of Cool Ridings Equestrian on social media, or visit ⁠coolridings.com⁠ to learn more.You can follow McKrell Baier’s Bridge Up Giddy Up program and the US Equestrian Society on Instagram, or visit ⁠us-es.org⁠Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at ⁠TamaraLeeBarrett.com⁠Chapters00:00 Introduction to Lydia Haywood02:12 Lydia's Journey in Equestrian Sports04:47 The Impact of Cool Ridings08:15 Insights from the US Equestrian Event09:52 Building Community in Equestrian Sports12:46 Challenges and Opportunities in Equestrianism15:09 The Importance of Representation17:29 Transitioning to Full-Time Equestrian Work24:45 Creating Accessible Equestrian Experiences27:23 Navigating Competitions29:38 The Future of Equestrian Sports36:34 The Power of Diversity in Equestrianism39:54 Defining Correctness in Equestrian Practices45:39 Global Perspectives on Equestrian Education51:19 Three Wishes for the Equestrian World

In this Optimized Equine Mini, we're dropping you into a piece from a real lesson with an off-the-track Thoroughbred who has spent significant time with his dedicated owner working through the anxiety and high-alert state that came with his past.The hard work paid off — he found relaxation. But that success brought a new and unexpected hurdle. For horses who associate physical effort with stress, fear, and survival, moving from a calm state back into athleticism isn't as simple as asking for more. The body and mind have to be taught, step by step, how to engage and work without triggering that deeply wired fight-or-flight response.In this clip, Tamara breaks down why this happens, what it looks like, and how to begin building that bridge between relaxation and athletic effort.Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com

In this episode, Tamara sits down with Stephanie Carter, founder of Indigo Ancestral Health and a veterinary technician with over 23 years of clinical experience. Stephanie shares how her time working in conventional veterinary medicine — across small animal, large animal, and mixed practices — ultimately led her away from the traditional model and toward equine functional nutrition, an approach centered on species-appropriate, nutrient-dense, real foods and the bio-individuality of every horse.Stephanie breaks down what sets functional nutrition apart from conventional equine nutrition, why population-level guidelines like the NRC fall short for individual horses, and how quality and sourcing of feed ingredients plays a bigger role in long-term health than most people realize. She also explains why she uses hair tissue mineral analysis and microbiome testing alongside traditional bloodwork to get a fuller picture of what's really going on with a horse — and why bloodwork alone can miss a lot.The conversation gets into some deeper territory too, including how chronic stress and emotional trauma show up as physical health problems in horses, the connection between the gut microbiome and whole-body health, and Stephanie's perspective on conditions like Cushing's and insulin resistance as layered, systemic issues rather than single problems to be managed with medication alone.Tamara and Stephanie also touch on the importance of the owner's role in their horse's health, the value of collaboration between functional and conventional practitioners, and why prevention will always beat crisis management.Stephanie also shares details on her two books — Managing Muscle Mayhem and her newest release, Equine Functional Nutrition: Understanding Root Cause to Restore Vitality.You can follow Indigo Ancestral Health on Facebook, Instagram or visit stephaniecarterntp.com to learn more about her work.Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters00:00 Introduction to Equine Functional Nutrition06:43 Understanding Osteopathic Veterinary Medicine11:20 The Importance of Individualized Nutrition16:10 The Role of Forage in Equine Diets26:12 Understanding Trauma and the Microbiome in Horses36:01 The Role of Emotional Well-being in Horse Care41:36 Exploring Stephanie’s New Book on Equine Health and Vitality46:30 Wishes for Horses and Humanity

In this episode, Rachel Windchaser shares her journey from growing up with horses in England to creating a Spanish Mustang preserve in Spain. As a child who struggled with communication, Rachel found her voice with horses—they gave her the space to pause, to speak, and to simply be herself.Rachel's path led her to Spain, where she felt immediately at home. Here her work with Spanish Mustangs transformed her understanding of horses entirely. These undiluted horses taught her that true horsemanship begins with understanding nature: both the horse's nature and our own.In this conversation, we explore how Rachel's father taught her that it all starts with asking the right questions at the right time, and why understanding the nature of the horse changes everything about how we interact with them. Rachel explains the difference between relationship and partnership with horses and why you can't have one without the other. We discuss why boundaries aren't the enemy of ethical horsemanship but are actually essential for clarity and safety, and how bringing your authentic self to your horse, emotions and all, creates better connection than leaving everything "at the gate."Rachel emphasizes the importance of slowing down enough to truly see your horse, not just look at them, and why horses thrive on clarity and become confused and frustrated without it. We also dive into how the pressure of competing voices in the horse world creates more confusion than clarity for horse owners trying to do their best. Rachel shares about her book, "The Principles of Rewilding: Horsemanship from Nature," and what inspired her to write it despite her own struggles with communication.Rachel offers a perspective that bridges the gap between different horsemanship camps, reminding us that no single method works for every horse in every moment. Instead, understanding the individual horse in front of you, and yourself, is the foundation for everything else. Whether you're a high-level competitor or someone who simply wants to connect more deeply with your horse, this episode will inspire you to step outside the noise and return to what matters most: authentic communication and mutual understanding.You can connect with Rachel Windchaser at rewild.windchaserranch.com, on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. Her book "The Principles of Rewilding: Horsemanship from Nature" is available on Amazon and Lulu in both English and Spanish.Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Follow Our Socials and Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com

In this compelling conversation, Nick Fornwalt shares his transformation from traditional Western trainer and farrier apprentice to barefoot hoof care provider and partnership-based horseman. Nick opens up about his early days in the industry, when horses were viewed as machines to be programmed and the training methods that went along with it.Nick shares about a pivotal moment with his horse, and a profound realization about communication, fairness, and humility that sparked a journey that would change his life.Nick doesn't shy away from the controversial topics. He makes a strong case that barefoot is objectively better for horses, but he also brings nuance to the conversation, acknowledging that shoes can be valuable tools when approached honestly, rather than as permanent solutions we avoid questioning.The conversation explores the false dichotomy between "push-button horses" and partnership-based training, the uncomfortable truth about what it actually takes to commit to barefoot transitions, and why Nick believes the industry often prioritizes human convenience over horse welfare. He shares how horses have taught him lessons about ego, patience, and presence that have made him a better husband and father.Throughout the episode, Nick emphasizes that real horsemanship isn't about technical perfection—it's about being present enough to have genuine conversations with horses, even when those conversations reveal uncomfortable truths about ourselves.ABOUT NICK FORNWALTNick Fornwalt is a hoof care provider and horse trainer based in Payson, Arizona. His journey with horses began in earnest during college, though horses weren't a major part of his childhood. After working in the film and television industry, Nick found himself drawn back to a more rural, agricultural lifestyle through horses.When COVID shut down the entertainment industry, Nick transitioned full-time into hoof care and training. What started as a practical need to trim his own horses evolved into a professional practice after apprenticing with traditional farriers and later studying barefoot approaches with specialists like David Landreville.Nick's training philosophy has been deeply influenced by his work with mentor and training partner Tessa Nicolet of Cohesive Horsemanship, whose French classical-based approach and emphasis on lightness, communication, and partnership marked a significant departure from his earlier methods. Today, Nick focuses on developing horses as curious, willing partners rather than push-button machines, and advocates for barefoot hoof care whenever possible while maintaining honest, nuanced conversations about when and why shoes might be needed.He approaches both hoof care and training with an emphasis on making it harder for the human and easier for the horse, prioritizing sustainability, welfare, and genuine partnership over convenience and quick results.Contact:Website: www.fornwaltlivestock.comFollow, Subscribe, and Rate the Optimized Equine Podcast! Follow Our Socials and Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters00:00 Nick's Journey with Horses07:15 Transitioning to a Professional Role18:05 Corner Turning Moments in Training18:18 Realizations and Shifts in Perspective21:45 Turning Points in Horse Care26:02 The Culture of Hoof Care30:17 Understanding Barefoot vs. Shoeing36:30 The Band-Aid Effect of Shoes44:31 Interpreting Horse Behavior44:35 Understanding Horse Communication49:40 The Complexity of Training Horses55:36 Personal Development Through Horsemanship01:00:33 Wishes and Reflections on Horsemanship

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, I sit down with Ariana Sakaris to explore what it truly means to work in partnership with horses. Ariana shares her unique approach to blending groundwork, liberty work, and dressage—always with the horse's perspective at the center of every decision.We discuss the art of information gathering and how to read what your horse is telling you through body language, energy, and subtle cues that often go unnoticed in routine care. Ariana challenges the idea that "liberty" has one definition, explaining why sometimes the kindest thing you can do is put the halter back on to help a horse find clarity rather than letting them stay lost and confused.Ariana opens up about her journey with her Mustang, Wildheart—from wild in Nevada to competing in dressage shows and International Liberty competitions. She shares the internal battle of showing up in competitive environments when your horse doesn't fit the mold, and how she found the courage to do it anyway, on her own terms.We also dive into the concept of horsemanship as an evolving practice of self-awareness, adaptability, and learning to speak the horse's language. Ariana emphasizes that true partnership isn't about perfection—it's about meeting each horse where they are, respecting their "no" while helping them work through challenges, and always prioritizing their mental, emotional, and physical wellbeing.Whether you're interested in liberty work, dressage, or simply want to deepen your connection with your horse, this conversation offers practical wisdom and inspiration that transcends discipline.Key Topics Discussed:Blending groundwork, liberty work, and dressage in daily trainingReading your horse's mental and physical state through observationThe importance of establishing baseline information about your horseWhen to use tools like halters and lead ropes versus working at libertyNavigating fear and building confidence—for both horse and humanShowing with non-traditional horses and doing it your wayManaging horses with health challenges like EPM, PSSM1, and allergiesDefining horsemanship as self-awareness and adaptabilityAbout Our Guest: Ariana Sakaris is known for her calm, patient, and deeply empathetic approach with both horses and humans. Her teaching blends clarity with compassion, helping others discover a kinder way of understanding, communicating, and working with their horses.Ariana's journey began at age five in Greece, where she first became fascinated by the language between horses and people. After returning to the U.S., she spent over eight years studying under a former Russian Olympic Dressage Coach and Master of Sport, completing more than 400 hours of certified training. However, as her technical skills grew, she realized something was missing—genuine, two-way connection. This revelation sparked a transformative journey across the U.S. and France, studying with leading professionals in Grand Prix Dressage, Classical Dressage, Liberty, and Horsemanship.Today, Ariana is a United States Dressage Federation Silver Medalist, four-time International Liberty Horse Association Champion, National Dressage Pony Cup Mustang Champion, USDF Mustang Breed Award Champion, Mustang Makeover Reserve Champion, Midwest Horse Fair Star Search Reserve Champion, and award-winning filmmaker for her documentary Wild Heart. Based in Paris, Kentucky, Ariana offers clinics, demonstrations, instruction, and training focused on Liberty Work, Dressage, Groundwork, and Relationship-Based Problem Solving. Connect with Ariana:Website: https://www.arianasakaris.com/Facebook: Ariana Sakaris Equestrian DevelopmentPlease take a moment to Share, Follow, Subscribe, and Rate the Optimized Equine Podcast! Follow Our Socials and Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com

In this episode, Leslie Desmond discusses her upcoming webinar series "The Great Debate About the Horse's Mouth," running from December 17th through March 18th, 2026. This free 14-hour educational event brings together a panel of nominated specialists including veterinarians, certified dentists, lay practitioners, and other equine specialists from around the world. With over 450 auditors registered from 30+ countries, the series aims to address the polarizing and often confusing world of equine dentistry.Leslie shares her personal journey into equine dentistry that led her to attend dental school at age 68. She discusses the wide spectrum of approaches in the field, different philosophies, and the various certification standards across states.The conversation explores why this topic matters for all horse owners. Leslie emphasizes the importance of understanding the qualifications of anyone working in your horse's mouth and the profound impact dental work has on the whole horse.Leslie also reflects on her extensive horsemanship background, her formative lessons from WWI cavalry veteran Ivan Taylor, her time studying with Tom Dorrance, Ray Hunt, and Buck Brannaman, and how Bill Dorrance's wisdom—"if you want to help the horses, you gotta help the people on the other end of the rope"—has shaped her lifelong commitment to helping horses by helping the people who care for them.A complete and current list of nominated panelists is available on the Leslie Desmond Horse Network, where you can also sign up for this FREE educational event. In this episode, Leslie tells us about a handful of the panelists that we will be hearing from during the course of the debates: Dr. Justin Christensen, Dr. Mark DePaolo, Marilyn Hobbs, Spencer LaFlure, Karina Lewis, Larry Moriarity, Wayne Needham, Maureen Rogers, Dr. Geoff Tucker, Dr. Trish Kallenbach, and Lance Rubin. Click HERE to sign up for The Great Debate! About Leslie Desmond: Leslie has been immersed in the horse world since her father first put her on a pony in 1958 and the rest is history. Over the decades, she has worked with nearly every breed and taught across multiple continents. Many of you may know Leslie from her work as a student and colleague of Buck Brannaman, Ray Hunt, and Bill Dorrance, with whom she co-authored True Horsemanship Through Feel.Her written work has been published extensively in the States and overseas with publications and articles translated into seven languages. Her audio book, Horse Handling and Riding Through Feel, represents what she considers some of her most important contributions to helping horses and their people. You can learn more about Leslie Desmond at https://lesliedesmond.horse and https://www.feelofahorse.com or contact her at [email protected]'t Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials to Stay Connected! TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters[00:00] Introduction to Leslie and The Great Debate[02:05] Webinar Format & Structure[05:01] Two Types of Horse People[06:01] Why This Matters: Leslie's Wake-Up Call[08:43] The “Head Shaking Horse”[09:16] Personal Loss & Commitment[10:39] Even Experts Can Be Fooled[11:18] Turning Point: A Broken Arm Changes Everything[12:04] The Debate Rules & Ready Participants[13:03] The Complex Landscape of Credentials[15:27] The Wide Spectrum of Practitioners[16:54] Would You See a GP for a Toothache?[18:15] The Cumulative Effect[19:34] Leslie's Background: Early Years[21:51] Ivan's Lessons: Kindness & Non-Judgment[24:42] A Life Dedicated to Horses[25:37] Bill Dorrance's Wisdom[26:53] The Childhood Dream Becomes a Business[27:26] Learning from Buck, Ray, and Tom[30:12] Introducing the Panelists[42:33] Why Invest in Deep Knowledge?[49:33] Final Thoughts & How to Participate

In this episode, host Tamara Lee Barrett welcomes back Ivy Starnes of Ivy's Glide Gait for a comprehensive Q&A session diving deep into your gaited horse training questions. From fixing trotty horses to understanding the nuances between the gaits, Ivy shares her expertise on achieving smooth, comfortable gaits through proper communication, training techniques, and equipment choices. This conversation addresses the most common challenges gaited horse owners face and provides practical solutions grounded in understanding each horse's individual needs and movement patterns.What You'll Learn:How to approach fixing a trotty horse—from the saddle versus the groundThe role breeding practices play in creating pacey horses in certain breedsWhy saddle racks and foxtrots are distinct gaits requiring different approachesHow proper rein contact and communication improve performance on a loose reinThe significant impact hoof care and shoeing practices have on gait qualityWhen and how to use different bits, including shanked bits, for training successHow to help your vet identify lameness in gaited horses and address underlying gait issuesTakeaways:Working from the saddle is often more effective than groundwork for fixing trotty gaitsAchieving one gait (like a saddle rack) doesn't automatically lead to another (like a foxtrot)Understanding your horse's movement is crucial for their health, longevity, and your comfortTraining techniques must be adapted to each individual horse's needs and responsesTeaching horses to understand rein contact creates better performance and safety overallThe balance between telescoping forward and rocking back affects gait qualityConsistency in training and proper feedback are essential for successHoof care issues can significantly impact a horse's ability to gait correctlyWhether you're struggling with a pacey horse, trying to understand contact and softness, or navigating equipment choices, this episode provides the guidance you need. Ivy's thoughtful, individualized approach demonstrates that effective gaited horse training comes from understanding biomechanics, clear communication, and meeting each horse where they are.Guest Bio: Ivy Starnes specializes in gaited horse training through her business Ivy's Glide Gait. Based in Fort Worth, Texas, she travels nationwide conducting three-day clinics focused on achieving smooth, relaxed gaits. Her extensive online content and training videos demonstrate that gaited horses can naturally gait on a loose rein in a relaxed frame, challenging traditional training methods in the gaited horse community. You can find her on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and www.ivyshorses.comDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters00:00 Introduction to Gaited Horses02:03 Understanding Trotty Horses04:55 Fixing the Trotty Gait07:23 The Role of Breeding in Gait10:01 Saddle Rack vs. Foxtrot12:55 Finding the Right Gait15:25 The Impact of Weight on Gait17:46 Training Techniques for Gaited Horses23:44 Training the Ear for Gait Recognition24:34 Understanding Gait Differences in Horses26:33 Achieving a Balanced Gait29:43 The Importance of Feedback in Riding30:10 Bitless Riding: Pros and Cons32:36 Choosing the Right Bit for Your Horse36:00 Using Shanked Bits for Control43:54 Contact and Softness in Riding52:35 Navigating Challenges in Horse Training53:21 The Importance of Consistency in Training54:38 Understanding Contact and Its Impact56:56 Teaching the Rock Back Technique01:00:33 The Balance of Telescoping and Rocking Back01:04:37 Identifying Lameness in Gaited Horses01:06:49 Addressing Hoof Care and Gait Issues

In part two of this conversation, Nandi Kegode shares her experiences navigating the American equestrian industry as an aspiring international athlete without major financial backing. She discusses the challenges of working through Florida and other competitive circuits, the mentors who supported her journey, and the toxic cultural dynamics she encountered in barn environments. Nandi opens up about her partnership with two other women of color who co-own her mare Idana, and their ambitious vision to create pathways for Kenyan athletes to reach top sport. The conversation explores the realities of "quirky" horses, the importance of two-way communication in training, and Nandi's vision for authentic cultural exchange through equestrian tourism in Africa.The equestrian sport is not designed to allow aspiring athletes without substantial financial backing to progress through the levelsMarketing may celebrate diversity, but the industry often lacks understanding of true moral and ethical diversityCultural differences in respect, work ethic, and interpersonal boundaries create significant challenges when navigating different barn environmentsFinding good mentors who prioritize horse welfare and human wellbeing is rare but essential for surviving the industryThe "quirky horse" label is often an excuse for poor training, handling, or unaddressed pain rather than inherent personalityTrue diversity in equestrianism includes cultural exchange and learning from different approaches to horsemanship worldwideHorses labeled as difficult often respond completely differently when treated with respect and proper communicationYou cannot terrify the rider and expect the horse to have a good experience—both must be supportedNot every rider can ride every horse, and admitting that is a sign of good horsemanshipCultural exchange through equestrian tourism can provide quality education and competition experience at accessible pricesYou can follow Nandi Kegode on Facebook or Instagram @african.horse.woman_official and @hisia_intelDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! ⁠ Visit TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters[00:00] Introduction to Part 2[00:32] Coming to America[02:08] The Reality of Diversity in Sport[05:30] Cultural Clashes in Barn Environments[08:45] Navigating Toxicity and Racism[12:36] Geographic and Economic Barriers[13:27] Learning What Not to Do[14:14] Jenni McAllister: A Role Model[16:25] McKrell and Christian: Critical Mentors[21:23] The Idana Partnership[26:58] The Plan for Idana[30:18] Equestrian Tourism Vision[32:06] The True Meaning of Diversity[36:08] How Horses Communicate[40:49] Feeling Riders Aren't Born, They're Made[42:40] The "Quirky Horse" Excuse[50:18] Becoming What We Tell Them[52:52] One-Way vs Two-Way Dialogue[54:57] When Livelihood Depends on Sales[56:06] Education in Body Language and Biomechanics[57:23] Three Fairy Godmother Wishes[58:52] The Sad Over-Correction[1:00:00] How to Follow Nandi

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Nandi Kegode shares her unique journey in the world of horsemanship, from her early experiences in Kenya and the UK, to her transition to the US, and the challenges she faced along the way. Nandi discusses the importance of respect and communication in training horses and riders, the cultural perspectives on horsemanship, and her struggles with mental health and addiction. She emphasizes the need for emotional intelligence in both horse training and personal growth, and the significance of finding purpose through horses. The conversation highlights the complexities of tradition in equestrian sports and the importance of self-reflection and accountability in the journey of a horse person.Key Takeaways:Nandi left Kenya to pursue top sport in show jumping, which ultimately brought her to the United StatesHer early experiences with horses shaped her understanding of respect, learned from her fatherAfter a classical upbringing, natural horsemanship was introduced to her when she was in the UK attending boarding schoolThe shift from communal village life to individualistic Western society contributes to mental health challenges like depressionFinding purpose through horses can lead to personal growth and recoveryEmotional intelligence is crucial in both horse training and personal lifeTradition in horsemanship must be balanced with progress and modern understandingRespect is foundational to every interaction with horses, but must be distinguished from fear and blind followershipFeeling riders develop awareness through understanding themselves firstYou can follow Nandi Kegode on Facebook or Instagram @african.horse.woman_official and @hisia_intelDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! ⁠ Visit TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters:[01:54] Introduction and Background[02:20] Leaving Kenya for Top Sport[04:19] Growing Up with Polo Ponies[04:41] Discovery of Natural Horsemanship[06:18] The Sunrise Ride Revelation[07:02] Classical Training in Kenya[08:27] Pony Club and Early Education[11:05] Natural Horsemanship in the UK[14:12] Isolation in the Showing World[15:38] Hunters in Kenya vs America[19:08] Cultural Perspectives on Feeling[21:28] Horse Welfare in Kenya[24:06] Parents' Different Approaches[26:18] Joining the US Military[29:26] Mental Health Journey Begins[30:26] Addiction and Homelessness[31:09] Children Save Her Life[32:38] The Path Back to Horses[33:06] Depression and Individualism[36:18] Understanding Respect in Practice[39:13] Normalized Sociopathic Behavior[41:18] Unqualified Trainers[42:32] Gaslighting in the Industry[46:42] Wishy-Washy to Aggressive[48:30] The Need to Walk Away[50:12] Breeding for Sensitivity[51:54] Feeling Can Be Taught[53:04] Horses as Most Abused Domestic Animals[55:03] Ignorance vs Intent[58:09] Respect vs Blind Followership[1:00:41] The Village of Accountability[1:02:35] Three Types of Respect[1:05:45] Fear is Not Respect[1:06:16] Setting Up Part 2

In this episode, host Tamara Lee Barrett sits down with Ivy Starnes of Ivy's Glide Gait, a gaited horse trainer from Fort Worth, Texas. Ivy shares her journey from a horse-naive teenager in suburban Chicago to becoming a sought-after clinician who travels the country teaching riders that the secret to perfect gait isn't found in big bits, gadgets or force—it's built on relaxation and genuine connection. Ivy emphasizes the importance of rider education and truly understanding the gaits. She also dispels common misconceptions about the training of gaited horses, and touches on the evolution of training methods that she has seen over her career.What You'll Learn:Why gaited horses are actually MORE challenging than regular horses (and why that's a good thing!)The biggest myths plaguing the gaited horse world and why they're harmfulHow to achieve that coveted smooth gait on a loose rein without heavy bits or shoesThe importance of vertical flexion and softness in gaited horse trainingWhy arena work is essential, even for trail horses…and even if it doesn’t happen in the arena!Ivy's approach to horse health, including the often-overlooked issues of ulcers and hoof careTakeaways:Gaited horses can do at least 5 different gaits, making them more complex to train than walk/trot/canter horsesThe pacey, high-headed gaited horse you see isn't the only way—or the best wayBuilding relaxation and softness should come before pursuing speed or collectionThe 60-second rule: giving horses time to process what they've learnedWhether you're a gaited horse owner struggling to find that perfect gait, or simply curious about these unique horses, you will love this episode. Ivy's compassionate, science-based approach proves that you can achieve beautiful results without harsh methods.Guest Bio: Ivy Starnes specializes in gaited horse training through her business Ivy's Glide Gait. Based in Fort Worth, Texas, she travels nationwide conducting three-day clinics focused on achieving smooth, relaxed gaits. Her extensive online content and training videos demonstrate that gaited horses can naturally gait on a loose rein in a relaxed frame, challenging traditional training methods in the gaited horse community. You can find her on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and ww.ivyshorses.comDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters00:00 - Introduction: Meet Ivy Starnes and Ivy's Glide Gait01:33 - From Suburban Chicago to Horse Training07:41 - The "You Can't Do That" Challenge09:47 - Clinic Life: Teaching All Levels12:17 - Gaited Horse Propaganda Debunked15:10 - The Challenge Factor: Why Gaited Horses Are Actually Harder24:47 - Does Correct Gait Really Matter?29:43 - Training Approach: Clinics vs. Long-term36:19 - Breaking Up Bad Movement Patterns40:00 - Vision for Industry Change44:45 - Meet Firefly: Ivy's Personal Horse51:51 - Life Lessons from Horses53:41 - Corner Turners: The Dressage Group That Changed Everything56:33 - Three Horse-Related Wishes59:01 - Where to Find Ivy

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett sits down with Show Jumping Hall of Fame inductee Linda Allen and USES co-founder McKrell Baier to explore the design, values, and structure of the U.S. Equestrian Society’s LevelUP Events.Together, they unpack how this bold new format reimagines equestrian competition through the lens of:Ethical equine treatmentHolistic rider developmentTransparent judging and feedbackEducation-centered event designListeners will hear Linda Allen’s reflections on her six-decade career as a course designer, judge, and coach—and why she believes now is the moment for structural change in the sport. McKrell Baier shares how USES is building a more inclusive and values-led infrastructure—one that empowers both students and coaches while strengthening welfare and access at every level.From redefining “success” in the show ring to rebalancing the student–coach dynamic, this episode offers a practical and visionary look at where equestrian sport can go when care and clarity lead the way.Learn More! Linda Allen – Show Jumping Hall of Fame Inductee, Course Designer & CoachLinda Allen’s six-decade career in show jumping encompasses world-class riding, FEI-level judging, Olympic course design, and strategic leadership in equestrian education. Inducted into the Show Jumping Hall of Fame in 2022, she was one of the original FEI Level 4 Course Designers and designed the 1996 Olympic and 1992 World Cup Final jumping courses. She has served as Technical Delegate at major championships and presided over FEI Ground Juries globally. A veteran clinician, consultant, and educator, Linda co-founded the Young Horse Trainers’ School, coached international teams to podium success, and earned top honors from USEF and The Chronicle of the Horse. Her published work includes 101 Jumping Exercises for Horse and Rider and the JumpSmart instructional DVD, with contributions to EquestrianCoach.com. You can learn more at LindaAllenEquestrian.comMcKrell Baier – USES Co-Founder, Ethics Architect & Learning InnovatorMcKrell Baier is a founding force behind the U.S. Equestrian Society and a lead designer of its LevelUP programs—shaping a new era of sport through ethical frameworks, inclusive learning models, and coach licensing reform. With a background in curriculum design, coaching systems, and nonprofit governance, McKrell has helped define how USES elevates equine welfare, rider development, and competition access across disciplines. She led the creation of the LevelUP Event model and helped reimagine scoring, format design, and professional standards for coaches, students, and facilities. A frequent contributor to national equestrian strategy conversations, McKrell’s work centers on building systems that reflect the values of care, clarity, and community—while still challenging the sport to evolve.You can find the United States Equestrian Society on Instagram and at us-es.orgDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters00:00 Introduction01:25 Innovative Approaches in Equestrian Education04:32 Character Development in Horse Sport09:15 The Role of Coaches and Students14:14 Understanding Client vs. Student Dynamics19:52 The Spectrum of Equestrian Goals24:04 Personal Experiences in Equestrian Training27:47 The Importance of Pedagogics in Coaching30:43 Understanding Individual Coaching Needs32:57 The Importance of Basics in Riding35:27 Level Up Program: A New Approach to Learning41:22 Event Format and Structure47:05 Judging and Feedback Dynamics59:51 Building Character Through Riding01:05:48 Evolving Traditions in Equestrian Sports01:10:31 Innovative Event Formats for Equestrian Competitions01:15:53 Engaging Spectators through Creative Riding Events01:22:01 Building Community and Inclusivity in Equestrianism

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, rider biomechanics expert Erica Poseley reflects on her journey with horses and the 'corner turners' who have shaped her approach to riding, training and teaching. Erica emphasizes the importance of understanding horse behavior and how they learn, as well as the significance of the rider’s position–no matter the discipline or goal! About Erica: Erica Poseley is a Rider Biomechanics expert with a diploma in Equitation Science from Equitation Science International. Erica's journey to becoming an expert in these fields began long before her work in rider biomechanics and equitation science. Erica has been riding since she was very young, but never had a formal riding lesson until she graduated from UCLA with a degree in philosophy and moved to Maui, Hawaii. There she started dressage lessons and bought her first horse after seeing a book in the Lahaina Library entitled My Horses, My Teachers by Podhajsky the former head of the Spanish Riding School. She was mesmerized by the beauty of the riders and the horses and this love of correct dressage training and beautiful posture still motivates her daily to ride correctly and teach others to uphold this high standard of excellence. Fast forward and Erica moved to California to pursue her dreams of becoming a professional trainer. She apprenticed with the late Liz Searle and Jeff Moore and also got to ride with The Baron von Blixen Finecke, an Olympic gold medalist, who was a great influencer in how Erica thinks of training and posture. Fast forward a bit more and Erica started working with another wonderful teacher, Sandy Howard, who then introduced her to Mary Wanless. Erica has been studying with Mary for the last 30 years and is an accredited Ride with Your Mind coach. Needless to say, Mary has been a huge influence in her knowledge of rider biomechanics. Through Mary and her top coach, Ali Wakelin, Erica heard about the work of Dr. Andrew McLean. Dr. McLean is one of the founding fathers of equitation science. Equitation science is the application of scientific principles, particularly learning theory, to understand and improve interactions between horses and humans. In 2019, Erica earned her diploma in equitation science from Equitation Science International and since then, she's been passionate about sharing this transformative knowledge with riders and coaches. What makes Erica's approach unique is how she combines the science of how horses learn with the biomechanics of effective riding, creating a powerful foundation for clear, humane communication between horse and rider. You can learn more about Erica and her work at www.gotseat.comVisit tamaraleebarrett.com for more info, episodes and to follow our socials!Chapters00:00 Introduction14:30 Training with Masters17:19 The Importance of Rider Biomechanics19:36 Understanding Rider Influence22:47 The Journey into Equitation Science25:25 Learning Theory and Horse Training28:07 Precision in Communication with Horses30:59 The Complexity of Training Aids33:35 The Evolution of Riding Techniques35:52 Understanding Light Pressure in Riding37:11 Behavioral Insights from Equine Studies39:02 Interpreting Horse Behavior and Needs43:28 Addressing High Pressure in Horses45:52 Defining Good Horsemanship49:02 Eternal Passion and Learning51:09 The Journey of Improvement54:05 Connecting Riding and Skiing56:49 The Disconnect in Horse Training59:44 Coaching and Responsibility01:01:50 Corner Turners: Influential Figures in Riding01:10:13 Integrating Biomechanics and Equitation Science01:14:51 Understanding Horse Learning and Rider Communication01:16:34 The Emotional Spectrum in Horse Training01:21:10 Wishes for the Future of Equestrian Education01:25:28 Advocating for Horse Welfare and Modern Training Practices

In this episode of the Optimized Equine podcast, Piper Klemm, PhD shares her unique journey from a young horse enthusiast to the owner of The Plaid Horse magazine. She discusses the importance of community, education, and the evolution of the equestrian industry. Piper emphasizes the significance of in-person events, the challenges of riding, and her vision for a more collaborative and supportive equestrian community. She also reflects on her personal connection with horses and the lessons learned from both successes and failures in her riding career.TakeawaysPiper's journey into the equestrian world began at a young age.The barn experience instilled discipline and time management skills.Social media and the internet opened new educational pathways for horse enthusiasts.Piper's transition into journalism was sparked by a random opportunity.The Plaid Horse magazine was born out of a desire to do things differently.In-person events foster community and connection among equestrians.Piper emphasizes the importance of the lessons learned by training young horses.About Piper Klemm, PhD:Piper is the Owner and Publisher of The Plaid Horse Magazine, but she has created more than just a publication—she's built a platform that provides educational articles, grants, and experiential learning opportunities for riders of all ages and levels. Piper also the host's The PlaidCast, which has become North America's most listened-to horse show podcast, bringing critical conversations and Hunter Jumper industry insights directly to riders, trainers, and enthusiasts.Piper co-authored the Show Strides book series, which follows young riders as they navigate the challenges of horse showing while discovering that the power of horses, and friendship, matters more than any blue ribbon.You can learn more about Piper Klemm, PhD, The Plaid Horse, The PlaidCast and more at theplaidhorse.comDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! tamaraleebarrett.comChapters00:00 Piper's Journey: From Passion to Profession05:24 The Evolution of The Plaid Horse11:20 In-Person Connections: Bridging the Digital Divide20:20 Returning to Riding: A Personal Journey27:36 The Road to Devon: A Milestone Achievement35:57 Evolving the Equestrian Industry44:47 Lessons Learned Beyond the Saddle51:50 Wishes for the Equestrian World

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett speaks with David Reichert from the United Dressage and Jumping Club (UDJC). They discuss David's extensive background in equestrian sports, the differences between European and American systems, and the challenges faced by riders in the USEF system. David shares insights on the importance of comprehensive rider education, the innovative approach of UDJC to competitions, and how they are making equestrian events more affordable and accessible for all riders. David expresses his aspirations for the future of UDJC, and improving the overall equestrian landscape. He concludes with heartfelt wishes for the welfare of horses and the development of young riders in the sport.TakeawaysDavid Reichert emphasizes the need for better education in equestrian sports.The European system requires qualifications for all riders to show, unlike the American system.Early specialization in riding can hinder overall education and skill development.UDJC aims to create a more well-rounded and accessible environment for riders.The USEF system often sets horses and riders up for failure.David believes that thorough education is essential for success in equestrian sports.UDJC's competition format focuses on style and rider ability rather than just speed.Affordability in horse shows is achievable with the right management and volunteer support.The average cost of participating in UDJC shows is significantly lower than traditional shows. Innovative feedback mechanisms can enhance the learning experience for riders.Ability classes provide a new approach to dressage, focusing on rider skills rather than horse quality.Encouraging youth participation in dressage is vital for the future of the sport.The future of UDJC includes expanding shows and improving the equestrian landscape.Horse welfare should be prioritized above all in equestrian sports.A better path for young horses and riders is necessary for their development.Success in equestrian sports is linked to the quality of training and education.**Learn more about United Dressage and Jumping Club (UDJC) at udjc.org Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! ⁠ tamaraleebarrett.com **Chapters00:00 David's Equestrian Journey04:32 The Birth of UDJC06:57 Comparing European and US Equestrian Systems10:30 The Impact of Early Specialization12:26 The Role of Education in Equestrian Training17:02 The Flaws in the USCF System20:18 The UDJC Approach to Training24:19 The Challenges of Young Horse Education37:45 Understanding Class Formats for Young Riders41:37 Jumping Classes: Structure and Philosophy43:44 The Importance of Quality Training and Trainers48:55 The Need for Trainer Education and Certification01:08:44 Affordability and Accessibility in Equestrian Shows01:15:23 Feedback Mechanisms in Competitions01:16:58 Ability Classes: A New Approach to Dressage01:17:08 Future Aspirations for UDJC01:17:36 Transforming Equestrian Education01:25:14 The Role of Trainers in Youth Development01:33:35 Overcoming Financial Barriers in Equestrian Sports01:40:32 Creating a Culture of Success in Riding01:44:50 Corner Turners: Defining Moments in Equestrian Life01:49:04 Wishes for the Future of Equestrianism

This episode features Spencer LaFlure, founder of the Center for Neuromuscular-Based Horse Dentistry, discussing a revolutionary approach to equine dental care that goes far beyond traditional tooth floating. The conversation explores how proper jaw alignment through neuromuscular dentistry connects to a horse's entire body system, affecting everything from performance to behavior.LaFlure explains how traditional dentistry focuses on removing sharp points and creating smooth surfaces, but this approach actually disrupts the horse's natural biomechanics. His method instead emphasizes restoring anatomically correct dental inclination and enabling complete natural jaw movement, which activates what he calls the "primo-vascular system" - an energy grid that connects the jaw to the horse's neuromuscular and proprioceptive systems.The discussion covers some controversial aspects of this approach, including why some veterinarians are not open to it, the problems with power tools, excessive sedation, unnatural head positioning, and why adjusting incisors (front teeth) is crucial despite traditional dentistry avoiding this practice. Throughout the discussion, LaFlure emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and education in improving equine dental practices, ultimately advocating for a more balanced and informed approach to equine health.TakeawaysNeuromuscular-based dentistry offers a revolutionary approach to equine dental care.Jaw alignment significantly impacts a horse's overall performance and well-being.Many equine professionals chase symptoms rather than addressing root causes.Resistance to change in equine dentistry can hinder progress and improvement.Sedation practices in equine dentistry are often misunderstood and misapplied.Education and continuous learning are vital for advancing equine dental practices.Find A Practitioner and Learn about The Center for Neuromuscular Based Horse Dentistry at neuromuscularhorsedentistry.comDon't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! tamaraleebarrett.comChapters00:00 Introduction to Neuromuscular Dentistry07:25 Understanding Traditional vs. Neuromuscular Dentistry13:10 The Role of Sedation in Dentistry...Is It Really A Necessity?18:36 The Connection Between Nervous System and Performance23:26 Conclusion and Future Directions38:43 The Importance of Dialogue with Horses43:38 Evolution of Horse Dentistry Education48:29 The Neuromuscular Approach to Horse Dentistry56:14 The Journey of Learning and Sharing Knowledge59:14 Embracing Change and Continuous Improvement

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett delves into the complexities of equine welfare and the future of the equestrian lifestyle with Daniel Dauphin of Dauphin Horsemanship and McKrell Baier of the United States Equestrian Society. The discussion highlights the concept of social license to operate, the importance of public perception, and the internal and external challenges faced by the equestrian community including the economic pressures affecting equestrianism. They discuss the necessity for a united front to address these challenges, and the importance of education in improving horsemanship and equine welfare. They emphasize the value of collaboration and proactive measures to foster positive change in equestrian practices. Tamara and her guests also discuss the challenges posed by radical animal rights groups, the implications of current laws on equine welfare, and the need for a balance between education and regulation. Takeaways Social license to operate is essential for equestrianism.Public perception can significantly impact the equestrian industry.There is a two-front battle for equestrianism: internal and external.Misuse of equipment can be a gray area in terms of abuse.Education is crucial for improving equestrian practices.Economic pressures are changing the landscape of equestrianism.The equestrian community must unite to face challenges.Public scrutiny can lead to unfair judgments of equestrian practices.Understanding the motivations behind animal rights activism is important.  Measured responses are crucial to equestrian sports.The majority of horses are not in competitive environments.Hyperflexion and rollkur are significant issues in dressage.Education is key to improving horse welfare.Keeping horses in stalls is detrimental to their health.Judges play a critical role in enforcing ethical practices.Governing bodies must acknowledge their shortcomings.Collaboration is essential for driving change in the industry.Economic pressures can lead to unethical decision-making.The equestrian industry faces significant challenges that require urgent attention. Legislation can have unintended consequences for animal welfare.Education is more effective than regulation in animal care.Certification should be based on real education, not just passing tests.The horse industry must engage in meaningful conversations about welfare.Economic value of horses is essential for their protection.Animal rights legislation can lead to harmful outcomes.Education can create better humans and improve animal welfare.Learn more about our guests! You can find Daniel Dauphin and Dauphin Horsemanship at dauphinhorsemanship.com and thebitcourse.com You can find the United States Equestrian Society on Instagram and at us-es.orgChapters00:00 Introduction to Equine Welfare and Equestrian Lifestyle02:58 Understanding Social License to Operate04:25 The Impact of Animal Rights Groups06:54 The Importance of Open Dialogue in Equestrianism07:33 Addressing Misconceptions and Internal Conflicts10:25 The Role of Education in Equestrian Practices12:23 Navigating the Challenges of Equestrian Competitions12:50 The Influence of External Perceptions on Equestrianism14:53 The Need for Change in Equestrian Practices17:02 The Future of Equestrianism and Horse Welfare27:35 Challenges in Equestrian Governance29:36 The Role of Social License in Change31:01 Navigating Equestrian Welfare Discussions32:46 Economic Pressures on Equestrian Professionals34:53 Judging Standards and Their Impact36:08 The Need for Education Over Regulation38:32 Engaging with Animal Welfare Organizations39:58 The Importance of Professional Certification40:38 Balancing Competition and Education40:53 The Future of Equestrian Practices

In this conversation, Tessa Nicolet shares her journey from a young horse enthusiast in Switzerland to a respected trainer and clinician based in Arizona. She discusses her philosophy of Cohesive Horsemanship, which blends classical techniques with practical applications, emphasizing mutual respect and communication between horse and rider. Tessa delves into the world of working equitation, highlighting its versatility and the diverse community around the sport. She reflects on the lessons horses have taught her about confidence and personal growth, and acknowledges the influential figures and experiences that have shaped her approach to horsemanship. Takeaways1. Diverse Training Background Creates Better HorsemanshipTessa's exposure to European pony club, Western reining, ranch work, and French classical dressage has developed a well-rounded approachCross-disciplinary training helps develop more versatile and educated horses and ridersDifferent disciplines can complement and enhance each other rather than conflict2. Working Equitation as a Comprehensive SportFour trials: dressage, ease of handling (obstacles), speed, and cattle workEmphasizes practical application of dressage skills through obstacles that simulate real ranch workCross-discipline friendly - riders can compete in Western or English tackSeven levels from introductory (walk/trot) to advanced (one-handed, freestyle to music)3. Quality Horsemanship is Partnership, Not DominanceDefined as "two willing beings coming together for a dance"Built on mutual trust, confidence, and respectNot about obedience or dominance, but about communication and willing cooperationRequires vulnerability and openness from the human partner4. Horses as Teachers and TherapistsHorses communicate through body language - humans must become skilled observersSimply acknowledging what you see in a horse's behavior can change the conversationHorses taught Tessa confidence, leadership skills, and how to be vulnerable in a healthy wayThe therapeutic value of horses extends far beyond riding5. Modern Training Must Adapt to Modern HorsesToday's horses are bred for athletic ability that didn't exist in classical timesThis can mask poor training methods because naturally gifted horses succeed despite themWorking with less naturally gifted horses requires better technique and deeper understandingBuilding an athlete requires progressive development of strength, flexibility, and mental capacityLearn more about Tessa Nicolet and Cohesive Horsemanship at cohesivehorsemanship.comFollow our socials and tune in to more episodes of the Optimized Equine Podcast at tamaraleebarrett.comChapters00:00 Tessa's Journey with Horses11:04 The Evolution of Cohesive Horsemanship20:02 Working Equitation: A Unique Discipline28:27 Defining Quality Horsemanship35:43 The Journey of Learning and Improvement42:06 Life Lessons from Horses48:01 Wishes for the Future of Horsemanship

In this conversation, Tamara Lee Barrett and her friend Rachel dive deep into the challenges many horse owners face when caught between old horsemanship methods and new approaches. Inspired by Piper Klemm's Facebook post, they explore that paralyzing feeling of knowing you should change something but not knowing how to execute it properly.The discussion covers the journey from casual horse experience to horse ownership, the overwhelming nature of social media horse content, and the inevitable ups and downs that come with developing a relationship with horses. Rachel shares her own experiences as a newer horse owner, including a memorable first ride attempt with her horse Sunny after a move, while Tamara reflects on her own evolution in horsemanship and the courage it takes to embrace being a beginner again.Key TakeawaysThe paralysis is real: Many horse people get stuck knowing something is "wrong" with their current approach but feeling too overwhelmed or clumsy to implement changesAwkwardness is part of learning: That uncomfortable, clumsy feeling when trying new techniques is normal and necessary for growthCherry-picking methods can be dangerous: While it's natural to take pieces from different approaches, understanding the full context and system is importantHorses humble us in the best way: The ups and downs of working with horses teach us patience, flexibility, and acceptanceDifferent approaches suit different people: There's no shame in choosing a level of horsemanship that fits your lifestyle and goalsHaving a mentor matters: Having someone to ask questions and provide guidance can prevent costly mistakes and reduce overwhelmIt's okay to have bad days: Both horses and humans have off days, and learning to accept and work with this is part of horsemanshipChapter Breakdown00:00 - Introduction The inspiration from Piper Klemm's post and the paralyzing feeling of knowing you should change but not knowing how01:40 - The Adult Horse Owner Journey Rachel discusses growing up with casual horse exposure and the reality of finally owning a horse as an adult02:45 - Equestrian OverwhelmDiscussion of how social media can create confusion and self-doubt03:32 - The Clumsy Learning PhaseTamara reflects on getting a taste of new methods but struggling with the awkward implementation phase06:01 - Taking Pieces vs. Following ProgramsThe pros and cons of cherry-picking techniques from different trainers and methods08:48 - The Butterfly Effect in HorsemanshipHow changing one thing can affect everything else in ways you might not expect, and the importance of seeing the bigger picture10:56 - Finding Balance and Critical ThinkingThe challenge of getting help while maintaining independent thinking and staying open to feedback12:47 - The Humbling Hills of HorsemanshipCoining the episode title and discussing how horses humble us through daily ups and downs13:41 - Different Types of RidingContrasting approaches: making the horse do things vs. working with the horse's feedback15:00 - Managing Expectations as a New OwnerRachel's journey of adjusting expectations and finding joy in small accomplishments17:05 - The Sunny StoryRachel's experience trying to ride her horse immediately after moving him to a new location19:25 - Learning from Mistakes Without JudgmentThe importance of humor and learning from experiences without harsh self-criticism22:03 - Effing Around and Finding OutDiscussion of how making mistakes teaches valuable lessons about both horse and rider23:19 - Fear and Activation in HorsemanshipTamara reflects on how fear and nervous system activation can lead to forceful handling24:31 - Wrap UpVisit tamaraleebarrett.com for more info and links to our socials! Remember to click follow, rate the show, and share with a friend. Until next time, happy horsing!

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett shares her transformative journey away from traditional hunter-jumper training methods. She reveals how purchasing her young horse Barnaby unexpectedly sparked a profound philosophical shift, challenging her to question long-accepted practices in the equestrian world. Tamara thoughtfully contrasts her former approach—which prioritized obedience and compliance—with her current philosophy that emphasizes deep understanding of horses' mental and physical needs both in and out of the arena. She discusses the importance of movement in a horses day to day life, mindful training, and viewing horses as willing partners rather than merely compliant athletes. This reflective episode goes beyond technique to explore how personal growth and philosophical shifts can transform our relationships with horses and enrich their lives as much as ours.TakeawaysTamara's understanding of horsemanship has evolved significantly.The journey of buying Barnaby marked a pivotal change in her life and career.Groundwork is essential for preparing horses before riding.Traditional training often overlooks the horse's mental processes.Creating a harmonious relationship with horses is key.Compassion and discipline can coexist in training.Horses need to be comfortable in appropriate living situations that promote continuous movement.Understanding a horse's perspective is crucial for effective training.Chapters00:00 – Introduction & Purpose of EpisodeTamara welcomes listeners back and introduces the theme: how her horsemanship philosophy has evolved over the years—from training to life lessons.01:17 – Beginnings in Hunter JumpersTamara discusses her professional start in the hunter jumper discipline and the pivotal moment of buying her horse, Barnaby.03:45 – Decision to Start Her Horse HerselfShe explains the cultural norm of sending young horses to "cowboy" starters and why she chose to do it differently with Barnaby.06:30 – Entry into Horsemanship PhilosophyTamara describes how learning groundwork and horsemanship began to diverge from her traditional hunter jumper background.08:45 – Realizing a Misalignment with Traditional PracticesShe discusses the growing discomfort in her traditional role and the decision to leave her job and open her own barn, Oasis Equestrian (2015).11:00 – Early Changes in Her Training MethodsIntroduction of groundwork and a shift from compliance-focused training to more understanding-based interactions with horses.13:30 – Rethinking Pressure and ObedienceTamara contrasts old-school training techniques with her current focus on trust and communication, using specific training examples.18:15 – Case Study: The Scary Jump ScenarioAn in-depth example comparing her old and current approach when a horse is scared of a jump.22:00 – Perceptions and Misunderstandings from Traditional TrainersShe addresses criticisms from the traditional world and emphasizes the long-term value of her methods.24:30 – Balancing Obedience and CompassionDiscussion about the role of obedience in training and its place alongside empathy and trust.27:00 – Acknowledging Different Goals in the Horse WorldTamara reflects on how not all horse people want the same things, and that’s okay—but she knows what works for her and her horses.29:15 – The Cost of "Getting the Job Done"Critique of performance-focused training that compromises the horse's well-being, mentally and physically.31:45 – The Importance of Versatility and InvestmentTamara emphasizes the value of creating horses that are mentally invested and versatile, not just mechanically obedient.34:00 – Transition to Working Equitation and BeyondShe begins to mention other disciplines she’s exploring, like working equitation, and how they align with her evolved philosophy.** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠⁠⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠⁠ ⁠**

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Founder and President of the Arizona Endurance Riders Club, Lancette Koerner. Lancette shares her journey into the world of endurance riding, including her experiences with the challenging Tevis Cup in 2015 & 2024. They discuss the unique challenges of endurance rides, and the lessons learned from various horses. Lancette emphasizes the community aspect of endurance riding and her aspirations for the future, including sharing the sport with others and improving the endurance riding experience through technology.TakeawaysLancette Koerner has had a love for horses since childhood, but did not get her first horse - an untrained 9 month old BLM Mustang - until she was an adult.Her first endurance ride was in 1996 on her Mustang, and she has since become a passionate and dedicated endurance rider.Lancette emphasizes the importance of understanding each horse's individual needs and personalities.Training for endurance rides involves a lot of preparation and understanding of the horse's capabilities.Endurance riding is a family-friendly sport that welcomes riders of all ages.The Tevis Cup is a challenging 100-mile ride that requires riders to complete it in 24 hours.The challenges of the Tevis Cup include elevation changes, heat, and strict cutoff times.Lancette has learned valuable lessons from her horses about communication and patience.The endurance riding community is supportive and offers many resources for newcomers.Lancette's long-term goals include exploring new trails across the country and sharing the sport with others. **Learn more about Endurance riding at aerc.org or the Arizona Endurance Riders Club at azerc.org **** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠⁠⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠⁠ ⁠**Chapters00:00 Introduction to Endurance Riding and Personal Journey04:33 The Role of Different Horses in Endurance08:24 Understanding Endurance Riding11:28 Challenges of the Tevis Cup14:32 Training Strategies and Personal Experiences17:25 The Importance of Horse Welfare20:07 Navigating the Tevis Cup Challenges34:19 Understanding Cutoff Times in Endurance Racing36:57 The Journey of an Endurance Horse38:43 Training Routines for Different Horses42:55 Interpreting Horse Needs45:22 Skills and Areas for Improvement47:17 Long-Term Goals in Endurance Riding48:08 The Future of Endurance Riding51:42 Managing Endurance Rides53:33 Lessons from Horses Beyond Riding56:57 Corner Turners in the Journey01:00:13 Wishes for the Future of Endurance Riding

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett speaks with McKrell Baier about the US Equestrian Society, its origins, and its significance in the equestrian community. They discuss the challenges faced by equestrians, the importance of unity and community, and the need for evolving ethical practices in horse sports. TakeawaysThe US Equestrian Society was founded to address challenges in the equestrian community that are not being sufficiently addressed by other organizations.Community and connection between the different sectors of the horse world are vital for the growth of equestrian sports.Young riders should have more opportunities to develop and showcase their foundational skills as a prerequisite to higher performance.There are many challenges and ethical concerns to address in rated, unrated and collegiate equestrian competitions.Horse sport faces potential cancellation if ethical issues are not addressed.Building bridges within the equestrian community is essential for progress.The future of equestrian sports relies on ethical and systematic education, and the willingness of the community to come together for open-minded conversations.** United States Equestrian Society’s mission is “To Serve as a Driving Force in the USA for the Regeneration of Ethical and Accessible Equestrian Ecosystems.”Learn more about the curriculum, certifications, and Level Up Licensing Events at us-es.org and follow along on Instagram**** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠ ⁠**

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett sits down with international show jumper Vani Khosla. Vani shares her journey from a non-horse family to competing internationally at the highest levels of show jumping. She discusses her transition from the US to Europe, the differences in equestrian cultures, her approach to horse training, and the importance of developing both horses and riders. The conversation explores Vani's career progression, her goals, and her perspectives on the evolution of equestrian sports.TakeawaysVani Khosla started riding in a non-horse family and transitioned from barrel racing to show jumping.The path to top-level competition involves gaining experience through junior and amateur levels.Relocating to Europe provided Vani with a well rounded equestrian experience after beginning in the U.S.Her riding style evolved to balance planning and mechanics with the feel of the horse's performance.Vani emphasizes the importance of building relationships with her horses for better communication and performance.Preparation for major shows involves tailored plans for each horse based on their needs.Understanding horse behavior is crucial for effective training and competition preparation.Vani believes in the importance of horse welfare and the need for education in the equestrian community.** Follow Vani Khosla on Instagram **** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠tamaraleebarrett.com ⁠**Chapters0:00 - Introduction 1:13 - Early Riding Beginnings 2:35 - Career Progression 5:29 - Team USA Selection Process 6:47 - Relocating to the Netherlands 8:48 - Differences in European vs. US Equestrian Culture 11:59 - Current Training Focus 14:04 - Life Lessons from Horses 15:41 - Preparing for Show Circuits 18:05 - Understanding Horse Needs 19:37 - Training Routine and Horse Care 22:45 - Jumping Frequency and Horse Development 26:14 - Future Show Plans 28:17 - Short-Term and Long-Term Goals 30:38 - Evolution of the Sport 34:52 - Olympic Equestrian Sports 42:06 - Career-Changing Horses 44:27 - Final Thoughts and WishesKeywords: show jumping, equestrian sports, Vani Khosla, Team USA, horse training, riding techniques, horse welfare, competition preparation, equestrian culture, personal development

In this episode of the Optimized Equine podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett reflects on her experience attending the 5-star week at Thermal, a high-level hunter jumper show at Desert Int’l Horse Park. She shares insights about equine optimization she observed even at elite levels of competition.Key Points:Tamara emphasizes that her observations comes from a place of love for the sport, not to cast it in a negative lightShe discusses the concept of "meaningless interactions" with horses and why all interactions should have purposeThe importance of maintaining consistent dialogue with horses during all handling activities (grooming, tacking, leading, etc.)How small tensions and "withdrawals" from a horse's "account" accumulate into larger issues over timeStrategies for making handling interactions more meaningful and beneficialThe importance of supporting a resilient nervous system in horsesThe significance of balance, straightness, and proper biomechanics in lunging and daily handlingShe observes common issues in leading and bridling that create tension and crookednessTamara concludes that these optimization principles apply universally to all horse owners, whether they participate in competition or not, and are essential for horses' health, happiness, and longevity. She mentions she will be returning to Thermal for week 10 and looks forward to sharing more insights from her trip.*Learn more about Tamara on⁠ Instagram⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠X⁠ and at ⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠*Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Experience01:53 Optimizing Horse Interactions03:14 Enhancing Horse Well-being04:07 Meaningful Interactions with Horses05:50 Understanding Horse Communication08:13 Creating Positive Experiences10:00 The Importance of Deposits and Withdrawals11:35 Building a Resilient Nervous System13:00 Pressure and Aids in Training14:52 Balancing Performance and Relaxation16:32 Lunging Techniques and Their Impact17:16 Leading and Bridling Considerations18:02 Conclusion and Future Insights

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett speaks with McKrell Baier, the Director of Bridge UP Giddy UP, and several students from the program. They discuss the origins of the program, its impact on the community, and the personal growth of the students involved. After meeting the students, the conversation highlights the importance of ethical horsemanship, the structured curriculum, and the future aspirations of the program to expand and promote equestrian education. The students share their experiences, emphasizing the transformative power of working with horses and the lessons learned beyond riding. TakeawaysThe program aims to provide equestrian education and beyond to underserved communities.Students are involved in an intensive year-round program that combines riding lessons with practical and theoretical knowledge for life in and out of the saddle.The program emphasizes the importance of ethical treatment of horses and responsible horsemanship.Students learn valuable life skills such as teamwork, communication, and emotional regulation through their interactions with horses.The program aims to expand its reach and provide opportunities for more students to access equestrian education.Community involvement is a key aspect of the program's mission and success.The importance of lifelong learning in horsemanship is a central theme of the conversation.The program seeks to change perceptions of equestrian sport by promoting ethical practices and transparency.Students express how their experiences in the program have positively impacted their personal growth and confidence.Chapters00:00 The Bridge UP Giddy UP Story04:36 The Structure and Commitment of the Program07:04 Meet BridgeUP GiddyUP: Student Introductions and Experiences22:11 Holistic Approach to Equestrian Education26:42 The Lifelong Journey of Learning with Horses27:40 The Importance of Breathing in Riding29:06 Passion for the Process vs. Competition30:37 Community Engagement and Equestrian Programs32:29 Barriers to Accessible Equestrian Sport35:47 Introducing Level Up Licensing Events38:42 Equine Welfare and Competition Standards42:20 Transparency in Equestrian Events47:11 The Coexistence of Humans and Horses49:36 Ecological Benefits of the Equestrian Lifestyle50:40 Developing a Standardized Curriculum53:43 Connecting with the Community and Future Plans55:22 Tables Turned: Tamara’s Story*You can follow and support Bridge UP Giddy UP on Instagram**United States Equestrian Society’s mission is “To Serve as a Driving Force in the USA for the Regeneration of Ethical and Accessible Equestrian Ecosystems.” Learn more about the curriculum, certifications, and Level Up Licensing Events at us-es.org**Learn more about Tamara on⁠ Instagram⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠X⁠ and at ⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠*

In this episode of theOptimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett is joined by Carl Paoli, an elite gymnast, movement specialist, author, and coach. They explore the concept of 'feel' in movement, the journey of writing his bookFreestyle, and the importance of deliberate practice in achieving optimal performance. The discussion also emphasizes the significance of emotional intelligence in coaching and training, and the intricate relationship between performance and personal growth.Tamara and Carl discuss the evolution ofThe Freestyle Way podcast. They reflect on key moments, guests, and the deeper philosophy behind the show. Additionally, they discussCarl’s Corner Turners—a few of the pivotal people who have shaped his life’s trajectory. He highlights the profound impact these individuals have had on his values, philosophy, and personal growth, illustrating the power of meaningful relationships in shaping our paths.You can learn more about Carl Paoli, and his book free+style atfreestyleconnection.com. Also find him onInstagram,X, and theFreestyle Way podcast!Learn more about Tamara on Instagram,Facebook,X and attamaraleebarrett.comTakeawaysHuman performance starts with a feel, a connection to the moment.Practice provides information about ourselves.Mastering the basics is essential for optimal movement.Deliberate practice requires an aware and conscious approach.Self-reflection is crucial for personal growth and understanding.Intuition plays a significant role in performance and coaching.The journey of writing a book can be an exercise in self-discovery.Engaging with material can lead to deeper understanding and adaptation.Optimal movement involves getting out of our own way.  Most of us operate unconsciously throughout the day.Deliberate practice helps reprogram our reflexive selves.Being fully present leads to the best outcomes.Animals reflect our emotional state back to us.Anxiety can be managed through physical awareness.Emotional fitness is the capacity to translate feelings into action.The dialogue with animals teaches us about connection.Trusting your reflexes can lead to growth and improvement.Being in the moment is crucial for personal development. The podcasting journey can evolve through various formats and directions.Authenticity in content creation is crucial for genuine engagement.Diverse conversations can introduce listeners to new perspectives and ideas.Corner turners are pivotal moments or people that change our life trajectory.Parenting offers profound insights into personal growth and connection.The importance of letting go of outcomes in creative endeavors.Engaging with different mediums can enhance self-expression.Personal experiences shape our understanding of the world.Connection with others is fundamental to personal development.Chapters00:00 Introduction 01:57 How I met Carl Paoli04:02 Exploring the Book 'Freestyle'05:13 Discussing Feel and Movement11:47 The Journey of Writing and Reflection19:58 Optimal Movement and Intuition27:57 Deliberate Practice vs. Feel36:19 Navigating Reflexive and Voluntary Behavior39:31 The Role of Deliberate Practice in Personal Growth43:43 The Power of Presence in Coaching47:48 Learning from Others: The Dialogue of Connection51:41 Overcoming Anxiety Through Physical Awareness56:38 Emotional Fitness: Transforming Feelings into Purposeful Action01:11:02 The Evolution of the Freestyle Way Podcast01:14:01 Exploring Diverse Perspectives Through Conversations01:17:00 The Challenge of Authenticity in Content Creation01:19:57 Corner Turners: People That Shape Our Lives01:25:01 Parenting: A Transformative Experience01:29:59 The Connection Between Horses, Parenting and Personal Growth01:36:08 Where to find Carl Paoli

In this conversation, Host Tamara Lee Barrett is joined by Trainer Dev Branham and Equine Osteopath Vanessa Helvey to discuss authenticity in equine care and training, as well as the pros and cons of social media and online resources in the equestrian world. They explore the nuances of recognizing small gains in training, the need for clear communication, and the role of feedback from horses. The discussion emphasizes the importance of time, observation, and empowering horse owners to understand their horses. * Learn more about Tamara Lee Barrett on Instagram, Facebook and at bit.ly/OasisEq Dev Branham of Devereaux Sporthorses can be found on Instagram, Facebook, and at www.devereauxsporthorses.com * Takeaways Authenticity is crucial for students and professionals in horse training. Social media can dilute the authenticity of the work. Incremental progress that builds over time is often the reality in training. Horses provide honest feedback about training and bodywork. Time and focus is essential for achieving real results in training. Hands-on training is vital for effective bodywork education. Clear communication is necessary to manage client expectations. The Dunning-Kruger effect...it's a thing. Observation is key to understanding horse behavior and needs. Empowering horse owners leads to better outcomes for horses. Chapters 00:00 Authenticity in Professionalism 02:32 The Challenge of Online Presence 05:22 Navigating Bodywork and Training 10:55 The Dangers of Online Learning 17:49 Evaluating Effectiveness in Horse Care 23:44 The Importance of Time in Training 28:15 Finding Authentic Professionals 32:44 The Importance of Adaptability and Humility in Education 35:35 Understanding Progress and the Role of Feedback 38:03 Incremental Improvements and Client Expectations 40:52 Recognizing Limitations in Training and Bodywork 43:53 The Balance of Kindness and Clarity in Communication 48:20 Navigating the Noise of Social Media in Training 51:20 Empowering Horse Owners to Trust Their Instincts 57:22 The Importance of Connection in Horsemanship

In this episode of The Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Patrick King, a renowned horse trainer and clinician who promotes Classical Principles for Modern Riders. They discuss the concept of 'Corner Turners,’ the importance of athletic relaxation for horses and humans to become effective learners, and the horses' desire for leadership in many aspects of their lives. Patrick shares his journey through various influences in his career, including his transition from Western to Dressage training, and emphasizes the significance of collaboration and continuous learning. The conversation also touches on “The Masters” in horsemanship, the purpose of advanced movements, airs above of the ground, and the evolving relationship between horses and humans throughout time.* Learn more about Tamara Lee Barrett on Instagram, Facebook and at bit.ly/OasisEq Patrick King Horsemanship & Dressage can be found on Instagram, Facebook, and at www.pkhorsemanship.com and www.academyforclassicalhorsemanship.com *TakeawaysRelaxation is essential for effective learning in horses.Leadership in training requires a clear plan and agenda.The horse's confidence as a learner is a trainer's primary responsibility.Intent behind the training is crucial for inspiring horses.Collaboration among professionals enhances learning and growth.Teaching is an art that requires experimentation and adaptation.Continuous improvement is vital in both horse training and personal development.The relationship with horses is about mutual benefit and understanding.Advanced movements in dressage serve to develop the horse's strength and balance.The journey of horsemanship is ongoing and ever-evolving.Chapters00:00:35 Defining Corner Turners00:01:40 Introduction to Patrick King00:03:55 Defining Relaxation in Horse Training and Its Value00:05:52 A Shift In The Horse Industry00:06:45 The Importance of Leadership00:09:54 How Your Horse Feels About Himself When He’s With You (Tom Curtin)00:12:56 Patrick’s Western Roots and Discovering Ray Hunt00:14:22 The First Day On The Ranch With Ray & Caroline00:16:43 Making a Horse That’s Good For Us VS. Making Us Good For The Horse00:19:22 Can You Pet The Horse For The Horse, Rather Than For You00:20:25 Allowing The Horse To Present Their Anxiety Aids In Letting It Go00:24:05 Another Corner Turner For Patrick00:26:40 Honest, Open Dialogue: A Key Component To Horse & Human Relationships00:27:38 professional or Professional?00:30:19 Patrick’s Inspiring And Adaptable Teaching Techniques00:33:40 Dressage Is For Everybody (And Patrick Walks The Walk!)00:36:01 Patrick’s Evolving Social Media Presence00:40:36 The Value Of Planting The Seed And Walking Away VS. Tending To The Seed Daily00:42:30 Turning The Corner To Dressage00:44:59 Mark Russel And Learning to BE Together, Not Just DOING Together.00:46:51 Body Control For The Sake Of Body Control VS. Bringing Value To The Horses’ Mind & Body00:50:01 Obedience VS. Acceptance: “Just Because You Can Put The Body In A Place Doesn’t Mean That They’re OK Being There.”00:53:07 “Asking” Or “Telling” In Horse Training00:56:39 Another Corner Turner: Charles de Kunffy00:59:30 Riding A Horse To Soundness01:02:58 Patrick’s Role As A Learner01:05:25 The Muddy Middle01:07:24 Evolution Beyond The Masters?01:12:12 The Art Of Optimization In Horsemanship Is A Beautiful Thing01:17:24 Horses Role In Human Evolution: “The World That Horse Is Helping Us Conquer Is The One That Lives Between Our Ears”01:19:20 How To Connect with Patrick King Horsemanship & Dressage

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Jessica Fry, founder of Wild Hearts Equine Therapy and assistant instructor for Mark Rashid. They discuss the unique philosophy, practices, and management that makes Wild Hearts Equine Therapy so special. Jessica shares her journey in establishing the therapy center, the rehabilitation of horses and humans, and the nurturing environment they create. The conversation highlights the transformative power of horses and emphasizes the importance of acceptance, connection, and compassion in the barn, and in our day to day lives. * Learn more about Tamara Lee Barrett on Instagram, Facebook and at bit.ly/OasisEq Wild Hearts Equine Therapy can be found on Instagram, Facebook, and at www.wildheartsequinetherapy.org/ *Timestamps00:30 Introduction to Jessica Fry and Wild Hearts Equine Therapy01:44 Guiding Principles05:10 The Power of Acceptance 08:12 Horse First, Client Led: Wild Hearts Equine Therapy12:05: Heart Math and the Electromagnetic Field Around Horses and Humans14:46: Rehabilitating Horses and a Forever Home21:37: Track Systems and Equine Management 29:40: Preserving a Horse's "Horse-ness" in a Domestic World30:37 The Horseman's Evolution and the Challenge of Describing It In Words35:51: Defining Optimization37:00 Turning A Corner: Discovering Mark Rashid44:13: Integrating Horsemanship Principles Into Our Day To Day Lives47:38: Change Can Be Paralyzing50:48: The Inner Work52:22: Removing The Head Trash That Gets In Our Way53:33 How Jessica Determines When a Horse Needs A Break, or Retirement 1:00:00: Quieting Ourselves In Order To See and Feel Our Horses1:02:32: Connecting With Horses By Caring For Horses1:07:10: Connecting With Nature By Caring For Horses1:10:36: Jessica Always Knew She Would Open an Equine Therapy Center1:15:15: Horses Teach Us About Connection and Feel1:19:01: The Seeds Will Sprout When They Sprout1:20:54: How To Find Jessica and Wild Hearts Equine Therapy

In this episode of The Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett is joined by Equine Osteopath Vanessa Helvey and Dev Branham of Devereux Sporthorses. They discuss the complexities of improving the horse's experience in the horse show world. They also explore the idea that domestic horse's CAN benefit from the competition experience when they are willing participants operating through feel instead of force. The trio advocates for a holistic approach to horse care and training that prioritizes the horse's needs while also supporting the rider's goals in competition. * Learn more about Tamara Lee Barrett on Instagram, Facebook and at bit.ly/OasisEq Devereaux Sporthorses can be found on Instagram, Facebook, and at www.devereauxsporthorses.com * Chapters 00:00 Introductions 01:20 Dev's Evolution in the Hunter Jumper World 04:15 Judging and Aesthetics in Horse Shows 08:12 The Role of Tack and Training in Equitation 10:38 Bodywork for Horses before and during Competition 17:45 Balancing Horse Well-being and Competition 26:25 Can Competition Actually Be Beneficial To Horses? 31:35 Creating a Positive Experience for Horses 35:43 Understanding Horse Behavior and Environment 38:43 The Importance of Connection and Awareness with Horses 42:22 Applying Masterson Method in Everyday Interactions 45:53 Navigating Bodywork and Horse Care 50:30 Rehabilitation and the Journey of Horsemanship

In this episode of the Optimized Equine podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Ezra Yoder from No Reins Performance Horses. Ezra shares his journey from growing up Amish to becoming a professional horse trainer specializing in Cowboy Mounted Shooting…which he actually competes in bridleless! He emphasizes the importance of connection between horse and rider, as well as his training philosophy that prioritizes the horse’s mental and physical well-being. We discuss tie-downs, and some of the challenges of retraining horses who have been ridden in them. Ezra also talks about his exhibition performances, clinics, and the other aspects of his business based out of Wooster, OH.  You can find Ezra and No Reins Performance Horses on Facebook Instagram and at [email protected] Takeaways Ezra Yoder trains horses for cowboy mounted shooting. He grew up Amish and developed a love for horses early on. Bridleless riding enhances the connection between horse and rider. Ezra's first mounted shooting experience hooked him on the sport. He balances training horses with competing and performing. Ezra believes in cross-training to prevent burnout in green and experienced horses. Ezra aims to teach horsemanship alongside mounted shooting in clinics. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Ezra Yoder and No Reins Performance Horses 03:03 Ezra's Journey: From Amish Roots to Professional Horse Trainer 05:56 The Transition to Mounted Shooting: A New Passion 08:44 Bridle-less Riding: The Art of Connection 11:39 Training Philosophy: Balancing Competition and Horse Well-being 14:00 Exhibition Performances: Expanding Horizons 16:49 Training Techniques: Cross-Training and Mental Health 19:53 Influences and Mentorship in Horse Training 22:49 Bodywork and Maintenance: Keeping Horses Healthy 25:49 Final Thoughts and Where to Find Ezra Yoder Keywords Ezra Yoder, No Reins Performance Horses, mounted shooting, bridleless riding, horse training, equine health, horsemanship, cowboy mounted shooting, horse exhibitions, equestrian sports

In this episode, Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Dev Branham of Devereux Sport Horses, based out of Tomball, TX. They discuss their similar journeys in horsemanship that both began in the traditional Hunter Jumper realm. They explore the evolution of training methods, the significance of emotional awareness in horses, and the importance of true dialogue between horse and rider. Dev shares his transition from traditional hunter-jumper training, emphasizing the need for kindness and clarity in training. They also touch on the challenges of blending traditional and feel-based training techniques and the role of education in shaping horsemanship practices. In this conversation, Tamara and Dev explore the evolving landscape of horsemanship, emphasizing the importance of personal development, accountability, and the emotional connection between horse and rider. They discuss the justification of safety and other human-given story lines that influence horse training, as well as the challenges of understanding how the same “words” can be used with very different results or meanings in this space. The dialogue highlights the significance of authenticity, mentorship, and creativity in training, advocating for a deeper understanding of the horse-human relationship. Dev and Tamara explore the intricate relationship between science and “magic” in horsemanship, emphasizing the importance of feel, energy, and connection with horses. They discuss their personal journeys, future aspirations, and the significance of mentorship and community in the horse world. The dialogue also highlights proactive teaching methods and the role of intuition in creating safe and effective interactions with horses, ultimately advocating for a more connected and understanding approach to horsemanship. *Devereaux Sporthorses can be found on Instagram, Facebook, or at devereauxsporthorses.com* Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Background of Dev Branham 02:59 Understanding Horsemanship - Natural or Not? 06:02 Dev's Transition to New Training Methods 11:55 The Evolution of Coaching and Clinics 18:01 Bridging Traditional and Modern Horsemanship 24:05 Communication and Emotional Awareness in Training 30:00 Education and Language in Horsemanship 30:36 The Justification of Safety in Horse Training 32:40 Redefining Horsemanship: Personal Development and Accountability 34:41 Activism in Equestrian Sports 38:02 Navigating Language and Communication in Horsemanship 42:22 The Importance of Authenticity in Horsemanship 46:45 The Dynamic Nature of Learning and Growth 50:25 Mentorship and Principle-Based Learning in Horsemanship 54:53 Creativity in Training: Beyond the Toolbox 58:45 The Emotional Landscape of Horsemanship 01:02:00 The Intersection of Science and “Woo Woo” Magic in Horsemanship 01:04:02 Understanding Feel and Energy in Horse Training 01:06:00 Personal Journeys and Connections with Horses 01:07:02 Future Aspirations in Horsemanship 01:11:12 Mentorship and Community in the Horse World 01:12:56 Proactive Approaches to Teaching and Learning 01:15:05 The Importance of Intuition in Horsemanship 01:18:58 Rethinking Safety and Connection with Horses

In this conversation, Tamara Lee Barrett and Vanessa Helvey are joined by Horse Trainer and Team Roper, Jayde Slade. They explore the intricacies of horsemanship and team roping, the role of balance in horse training, and the importance of understanding the horse's perspective. While we may come from different ends of the spectrum in the horse world, this open-minded discussion leads to interesting conversations and perspective shifts. Listeners will appreciate Jayde's ability to answer some tough questions on tack, tie downs, and more in a clear and thoughtful way. You can find Jayde Slade on Facebook, Instagram, and at https://jaydesladeperformancehorses.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Jayde Slade 03:38 Understanding Roping and Team Roping Classifications 09:15 Defining Horsemanship 15:14 Future Goals in Team Roping 18:17 Training Techniques and Individualized Programs 29:48 The Importance of Balance 33:49 Understanding Tack: Are Tie Downs A Necessary Tool? 01:07:31 Anatomy and Proprioception in Equine Performance 01:09:21 The Journey of Understanding Balance 01:13:56 The Interplay of Balance, Responsiveness, and Awareness 01:18:48 Addressing Fear and Tension in Horses 01:23:47 Bridging Horsemanship and Performance Keywords: horsemanship, team roping, horse training, balance, tie downs, body work, training techniques, equine care, roping clinics, horse performance

In this episode, Tamara Lee Barrett and Vanessa Helvey discuss their recent clinic in Linden, Arizona, where they worked with various horses, each presenting unique challenges. They delve into case studies of an older horse with multiple issues contributing to his lameness, a "mystery horse" with physical and behavioral concerns, a reactive horse struggling with trust, and a young mare developing through balance work. The conversation emphasizes the importance of proper movement, the role of the nervous system in equine behavior, and the need for patience and understanding in horse training and rehabilitation. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:31 Overview of the Clinic and Case Studies 01:55 Case Study: The Older Horse with Stifle? Issues 04:54 Handling Techniques and Building Trust 06:46 The Balance of Patience and Assertiveness in Training 08:50 Movement and Its Importance in Rehabilitation 12:29 Understanding Appropriate Movement for Horses 14:28 The Role of Circles and Curves in Movement 19:13 The Importance of Quality Movement 23:17 Trust and Movement: The Horse's Perspective 26:19 Understanding the Rehabilitation Process for Horses 28:30 Addressing Mental and Physical Aspects of Healing 29:25 Evaluating Structural Issues in Horses 34:53 The Role of Training in Equine Rehabilitation 41:27 Building Trust and Comfort in Horses 47:23 The Interconnection of Body and Mind in Healing 48:48 Understanding the Horse's Stress and Trauma 51:14 Rehabilitation Approaches for Horses 53:46 Confronting Fear in Horse Training 56:54 The Importance of the Nervous System 57:49 Balancing Responsiveness and Calmness in Horses 01:00:49 Posture and Movement in Young Horses 01:05:10 The Role of the Hind End in Equine Movement

Summary In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara and Vanessa discuss their processes for assessing horses, emphasizing the importance of understanding each horse's unique needs. They explore various evaluation techniques, treatment protocols, and the significance of engaging with horses to foster trust and communication. The conversation also delves into specific case studies, compensation patterns, and the careful balance of handling and training the horse while allowing them to (and inspiring them to when necessary!) express themselves.  Takeaways Horse owners provide valuable insights about their horses. Understanding a horse's history is helpful for assessment. Palpation helps identify tissue reactivity in horses. Differentiating between reactivity and restriction is important. Treatment should be tailored to the individual horse's needs. Engagement with horses is essential for effective training. Dull horses may need creative approaches to engage them. Movement, posture and balance are key to a horse's well-being in many ways. Chapters 00:00 Understanding Horse Assessment and Maintenance 10:31 Evaluating Specific Issues in Horses 20:27 The Importance of Team Approach in Horse Care 30:40 Engaging with Horses: The Psychological Aspect 40:26 Navigating Different Horse Personalities 50:43 Creating a Safe Space for Horses 01:00:34 The Nuances of Working With Horses

In this episode, Tamara and Vanessa continue their discussion on teeth, jaws, bits, and headgear in horses. They explore possible culprits that can create tension in the TMJs, and what signs to look for as a horse owner that may indicate your horse has tension here. They also discuss the jaws as a representation of expression and a reflection of stress, fear and other tensions in the body. Also, how chronic tension in the mouth can affect dentition. The conversation delves into the importance of maintaining a horse's mouth through regular dental care and the role of movement and terrain in maintaining a healthy mouth. They also touch on the anatomy of the temporomandibular joint (TMJ) and its connection to the rest of the body, as well as the role of cranial nerves in jaw function and overall well-being. The episode concludes with a discussion on the considerations for dental work, including the angles and height of the teeth, and the importance of proper training and integration after dental procedures. Chapters 00:00 Factors Contributing to Jaw Tension 06:58 Training for Relaxation and Comfort 09:25 Understanding the Anatomy of the TMJ 17:12 The Importance of Balance in Dental Work 30:56 Maintaining the Health of the TMJ

In this episode, Tamara and Vanessa discuss the importance of teeth and jaws in horses. Vanessa shares her experience as an osteopath and how the jaw and teeth affect the rest of the body. They also discuss good practices for horse dentistry, including using hand tools versus power tools, working ambidextrously, and being cautious with sedation. They highlight the considerations for older and younger horses during dental procedures. Tamara explains the concept of tension producers and tension releasers in bits and headgear, and the importance of teaching horses to have a "conversation" with the bit. They discuss how some horses may have a negative association with the bit while others may be expressing tension that is already present in their bodies. The importance of understanding a horse's mouth and jaw as a reflection of their emotions and tension is emphasized. The TMJ (temporomandibular joint) is highlighted as a key area of expression and tension in horses. The discussion also touches on the selection of appropriate bits for horses, considering factors such as the shape of the mouth and the horse's comfort. The use of bitless options is also discussed. Takeaways Collaboration between like-minded professionals is important for treating the whole horse Good practices for modern horse dentistry Be cautious with sedation and consider the age, conformation and other factors during dental procedures Teaching horses to have a positive association with the bit can help release tension Understanding the difference between tension producers and tension releasers in bits and headgear is crucial Some horses may have a negative association with the bit, while others may be expressing tension from their bodies. The TMJ is an important area of expression and tension in horses. Understanding a horse's mouth and jaw can provide insights into their emotions and tension. The selection of appropriate bits should consider the shape of the horse's mouth and their comfort. Bitless options can be considered. 00:00 Introduction and Overview 02:37 Collaborative Dental Care 10:37 Considerations for Dental Practices 24:11 Bits and Headgear 27:37 Teaching Horses to Have a Conversation with the Bit 34:11 Understanding the Individuality of Horses 35:29 The Impact of Jaw Tension 45:37 Finding the Right Bit 49:21 Bitless Options 58:38 Factors Contributing to Jaw Tension

In this episode, Tamara discusses her horse Barnaby and the valuable lessons he taught her. Despite facing physical challenges and a lack of a clear diagnosis, Tamara learned to trust her gut and listen to her horse. Vanessa provides insights into Barnaby's physical issues, including restrictions in his cranial and hind end structures. The post-mortem report revealed abnormalities, but a definitive diagnosis was never reached. Tamara emphasizes the importance of trusting your instincts and not letting others' opinions sway your decisions. They also emphasize the need for building a strong relationship with equine professionals and taking the time to understand their approach. The conversation highlights the importance of patience and perseverance in horse care. Takeaways Barnaby taught Tamara valuable life lessons despite facing physical challenges. Barnaby's physical issues included restrictions in his cranial and hind end structures. The post-mortem report revealed abnormalities, but a definitive diagnosis was never reached. It is important to trust your instincts and not let others' opinions sway your decisions. Trust your gut and listen to your horse when it comes to their health and well-being. Seek multiple opinions and build relationships with equine professionals to find the best approach for your horse. Avoid quick fixes and be patient and persistent in your horse care journey. Lessons and growth often come from the challenges we experience with our horses. Chapters & Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Background 05:23 Observing Barnaby's Personality and Behavior 16:20 Identifying Restrictions and Compression 25:23 The Role of the Nervous System 31:13 Differentiating Restrictions from Wear and Tear 35:51 The Importance of Balance and Symmetry 43:09 Head, Neck and Hind End Issues 53:55 Lessons from Barnaby 57:19 Building Relationships with Professionals 01:03:06 Summary

Welcome to the debut episode of "The Optimized Equine Podcast" with hosts Tamara Lee Barrett and Vanessa Helvey. In this episode, we introduce ourselves and dive into our holistic approach to equine care, focusing on the importance of meeting the needs of the whole horse—physically, mentally, and emotionally. We explore the concept of optimization, and discuss the evolution of self through the wisdom horses offer. We also delve into the balance between physical and mental stillness, the pros and cons that we have seen with positive reinforcement training, and how to maintain an optimal and healthy connection with your horse. Join us as we share our experiences, insights, and the lessons we've learned from working with horses, and their humans.
Introduction and Podcast Overview (00:06):Introduction to the hosts, Tamara and Vanessa, and the purpose of the podcast.Overview of the topics discussed in this episode.
Vanessa’s Journey into Equine Osteopathy (01:47):Vanessa shares her background and journey into becoming an equine osteopath.The influence of mentors and further education in the field.
The Role of Holistic Bodywork (05:23):The holistic approach of osteopathy in treating the whole horse.The importance of collaboration among professionals (vets, trainers, osteopaths).Discussion on how optimization involves addressing the entire horse—training, daily care, and handling.
Tamara’s Career Shift (16:39):Tamara shares her journey from competitive Hunter Jumper to focusing on horse rehabilitation and holistic training. How Barnaby, a special horse, inspired a shift in her approach to training.
Rehabilitation as a Foundation (24:00):Discussion on how many performance horses require rehabilitation before they can achieve optimal performance.The importance of finding "neutral" in horses to ensure they are not carrying negative tensions.
Managing and Training Horses Holistically (27:46):Importance of considering the horse's entire life—training, management, and mental health.How optimal movement and living conditions contribute to a horse's overall well-being.Importance of engaging both the horse’s mind and body.
Understanding Horse and Human Dynamics (34:16):Insight into how horses experience fear versus anxiety and how this impacts training.Reflection on the roles we play in our horses' lives—whether we dictate, impose or guide.The impact of our approach on the horse’s well-being.How horses can teach us about letting go of resistance and embracing life.Personal growth inspired by interactions with horses.
Boundaries and Positive Reinforcement or "Treat Training" (44:54):The necessity of setting boundaries, especially if and when using treats.The benefits and pitfalls of using treats in training.Discussion on how treats can sometimes distract from addressing the horse's true challenges.
The Balance of Parasympathetic and Sympathetic States (55:06):The balance between a horse being too relaxed or too stressed.The importance of stillness and how some horses lose the ability to be still.The other extreme: horses that internalize too much and lose athletic power.Importance of recognizing what an individual horse needs to thrive.
Final Thoughts and Conclusion (57:05):Reflecting on the discussion and the journey ahead in the podcast series.