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Outer Brightness: From Mormon to Jesus

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The Sons of Light discuss their experiences transitioning from Mormonism to Evangelical Christianity. They have conversations about questions of doctrine, practice, culture, etc.

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Episodes

  1. Hope: A Pilgrimage of Memory

    This week, we bring you the first of two Christmas episodes. This one is a reading of a Christmas essay that I (Paul) wrote for my fmaily when I was near the end of my time in the LDS Church. I thought that it would be interesting for me and you (our listeners) to revisit it. In the essay, I...

  2. A Different Gospel? Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians for Latter-day Saints (w/ Daniel Ortner)

    This episode, we welcomed Daniel Ortner on the program. Daniel has a very interesting story. He was raised in an ethnically Jewish family and converted to Mormonism. In 2023, he began attending a Christian church with his wife and ended up leaving the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…

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  3. Choosing a Church (with Jonathan Stoddard)

    In this episode, we welcome Jonathan Stoddard to Outer Brightness: From Mormon to Jesus. Pastor Jon ministers at Jordan Valley Church (Presbyterian Church in America) in West Jordan Utah where I (The Apostate Paul) grew up. He has written a very helpful and accessible book titled, Choosing a...

  4. Effective Evangelical Dialogue with Latter-day Saints (w/ Kyle Beshears)

    This week we bring you another special guest episode. Kyle Beshears is a pastor in the Mobile, Alabama area and a scholar of Christianity. In his scholarly work, Kyle engages with the broader Latter Day Saint Restoration Movement, and in particular with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day…

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  5. Crossover: MBR - Responding to the Mormon Missionary Message Panel Discussion

    This week we're publishing a crossover episode. Several coauthors of the book, Responding to the Mormon Missionary Message: Confident Conversations with Mormon Missionaries (and other Latter0day Saints) appeared on Steve Pynakker's Mormon Book Reviews YouTube program. Represented here are Corey...

  6. The Harrowing of Hell & Second Chances, Pt. 2

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and I continue our discussion from last week regarding feed back we received to our Apostles Creed episode.

  7. The Harrowing of Hell & Second Chances, Pt. 1

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and The Apostate Paul share a conversation they originally had in March of 2022. After discussing an LDS Church sign in that was posted in Arizona, they begin a discussion of the "harrowing of hell" clause in the Apostle's Creed. Latter-day Saint...

  8. The Joseph & Mary Chain

    In this episode, Matthew and I revisit an old criticism of the LDS Faith. Namely, that Latter-day Saints worship Joseph Smith. We tackle it by comparing and contrasting with a similar critique that Protestants sometimes make about Roman Catholics with regards to their veneration of Mary. Thus…

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  9. Listener Feedback & Response: Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

    In this episode we respond to some listener feedback that we received to our Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God episodes (#s 98 & 99). Go give those a listen if you haven't already. A Latter-day Saint listener named David wrote in to challenge and interact with some of the things we said in…

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  10. So You Think You Understand Christianity? (w/ Rich Hoyer)

    In this episode, Paul spoke with Rich Hoyer, Senior Minister at Calvary Christian Church in Sellersburg, Indiana. This is Rich's second appearance on Outer Brightness. He joined us previously on Episode 70, "The Importance of Christian Apologetics." Rich wrote a book titled So You Think You...

  11. The Missing Mormon Omni, Pt. 2

    In this episode, Matthew and I continue our conversation of LDS beliefs regarding the omnipresence of God. In this part, we discuss various LDS views of God's omnipresence, the impact of God's omnipresence on practical (lived) theology, and some the Bible passages that touch on God's being…

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  12. Bridging the Cultural Divide (w/ Ross Anderson)

    In this episode we welcome Ross Anderson to Outer Brightness. Ross joined us to discuss his chapter in our book, Responding to the Mormon Missionary Message. Ross was born in Utah and was raised LDS. After leaving Mormonism as a young adult, he earned a Master of Divinity degree and a Doctor of...

  13. The Missing Mormon Omni, Pt. 1

    When I [the Apostate Paul] was an Mormon missionary in Hungary, teaching people who were investigating the LDS Church, I memorized the missionary discussions that I would share with them. In describing LDS beliefs about God, I would say, “Isten tökéletes. Ő mindentudó és mindenható.” Translated...

  14. Understanding Grace, Misunderstanding Mormonism (w/ Michael Flournoy)

    Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist sat down with Michael a.k.a. The ex-Mormon Apologist to chat with him about his article, "Understanding Grace, Misunderstanding Mormonism: A Critique of Brad Wilcox's 'His Grace is Sufficient'." Michael's article can be found on fromwatertowine.org here…

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  15. Church Authority and Scriptural Interpretation

    In this episode, Matthew and I discuss the role of the church in interpreting Scripture. Is there a magesterium that holds unique authority to interpret the Bible? How does this question relate to Mormonism?

  16. Book Release: Responding to the Mormon Missionary Message

    Hi fireflies! Matthew and I have finally returned. In this episode we talk about a book project that we both worked on, providing chapters to the book Responding to the Mormon Missionary Message: Confident Conversations with Mormon Missionaries (and Other Latter-day Saints). The book is published...

  17. Sharing the Good News with LDS Missionaries w/ Sarah Bateman

    In this episode, we welcome a listener, Sarah Bateman to Outer Brightness. She recently shared with us that she has listened to about 2,400 minutes of the podcast. She joined us to talk share her experiences meeting with LDS missionaries and sharing the good news with them. She also posed some...

  18. Thoughts on the Textus Receptus vs Critical Text Debate (w/ Dwayne Green)

    “Lions, and tigers, and bears. Oh my!” Textus Receptus, and Modern Critical Text, and Comma Johanneum. Oh my! The Apostate Paul, here. No sooner had I began attending a Christian church back in 2010, and declared myself an “ex-Mormon Christian” online did Latter-day Saints begin to challenge my...

  19. Finding Christianity (w/ Sandra Tanner)

    In this episode, we welcome Sandra Tanner to the podcast. She joined us earlier this year to discuss her transition from Mormonism to Christianity. Many who go through an LDS faith crisis end up jettisoning Christianity and religion altogether. We asked Sandra to talk about why she kept...

  20. ”Aaaaand We’re Back!” Update and Relaunch

    Hey Fireflies! Long time no post. Big apologies. In this episode, Matthew and I give an update on what's been going on in our busy lives and talk about the relaunch of Outer Brightness: From Mormon to Jesus. We're glad to be back, and hope to hear from you soon!

  21. The Apostles’ Creed (Things LDS Hate Series: Creeds)

    Do Latter-day Saints hate the creeds of historic Christianity? Do they have their own creed? What about the Apostles’ Creed, which historian Philip Schaff has called the “creed of creeds”? Justin S. Holcomb in his book Know the Creeds and Councils has written, “Perhaps more than any other...

  22. Midnight Mormons vs. RFM (Debate Commentary)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul comment on a debate (?) held on November 13, 2021 between the three amigos of the YouTube channel, Midnight Mormons, and Radio Free Mormon. The video has been posted to the Heart of the Matter, the Midnight Mormons, and the…

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  23. Is There a Mother in Heaven?, Pt. 2 (LDS Gospel Topics Essay Series)

    This episode we finish our discussion of the LDS Gospel Topics Essay, "Mother in Heaven." Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist kicks off the episode with a question about why the doctrine of a Mother in Heaven is considered authoritative doctrine when the direct support for it amounts to hearsay that...

  24. Is There a Mother in Heaven?, Pt. 1 (LDS Gospel Topics Essay Series)

    This is our 100th episode, and we have a special treat for you fireflies! Michael dropped by Outer Brightness to discuss the LDS Gospel Topics Essay on the LDS doctrine of a Mother in Heaven. In this first part of the conversation, they discuss how they viewed thsi doctrine when they were LDS and...

  25. Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, Pt. 2 (Things LDS Hate Series: Hell)

    This episode, we kicked off our “Things Mormons Hate” series, in which Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul discuss Jonathan Edwards’ important sermon, “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” There are two parts to our discussion. In this second part, we discuss our thoughts about...

  26. Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, Pt. 1 (Things LDS Hate Series: Hell)

    This episode, we kick off our short, “Things Mormons Hate” series. Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul discuss Jonathan Edwards’ important sermon, “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” There are two parts to our discussion. In this first part, we talk about our understanding of...

  27. Proof Texting the LDS Testimony (The Testimonium, Pt. 1)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul discuss the proof texts that are used within Latter-day Saint teachings regarding the LDS testimony. They ask questions of the texts, such as: Are they being used in context? What might they mean if they mean something different...

  28. Understanding the Mormon Journey: Do Theology Interview, Pt. 2

    Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul were invited by our friend Jeremy Howard to go on the Do Theology Podcast to answer some blunt questions. This is the second part of that interview.

  29. Understanding the Mormon Journey: Do Theology Interview, Pt. 1

    Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul were invited by our friend Jeremy Howard to go on the Do Theology Podcast to answer some blunt questions. This is the first part of that interview. In this installment, Jeremy asks us to revisit our transitions out of the LDS Church, and then…

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  30. More Mormon Exaltation Dilemmas, Pt. 3 (w/ Aaron Shafovaloff)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul wrap up their conversation with Aaron Shafovaloff. Here they discuss a number of dilemmas that Aaron has documented but not yet written into article form. Our goal here is to think through LDS theology, taking it out to its...

  31. Mormon Exaltation Dilemmas, Pt. 2 (w/ Aaron Shafovaloff)

    This week we continue our discussion with Aaron Shafovaloff about his article Dilemmas of Mormon Exaltation. We cover wrap up a dicussion of his second dilemma, "2. Expanding Godhead vs. overlapping godheads" and cover his fourth dilemma "4. Exhaustible vs. infinite pool of coeternal...

  32. Mormon Exaltation Dilemmas, Pt. 1 (w/ Aaron Shafovaloff)

    This week Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul welcome Aaron Shafovaloff to Outer Brightness. He joined us to discuss his article “Dilemmas of Mormon Exaltation.” Aaron spent nearly three hours with us, and we’re excited to share these with you. In this first installment, we...

  33. The Divinity and Humanity ofJesus Christ (w/ Jaxon Washburn)

    In this episode, The Apostate Paul and Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist welcome Latter-day Saint, Jaxon Washburn, back to Outer Brightness. They discuss Episode 37 "The Humanity and Divinity of Jesus Christ" from Y Religion, the podcast of the BYU Religion Department. In that episode, Professor…

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  34. Is Compatibilism Compatible with Mormonism? Pt. 2 (w/ Tarik D. LaCour)

    In this episode, we welcome a Latter-day Saint guest to Outer Brightness. Tarik D. LaCour is a PhD candidate in Philosophy at Texas A&M University. In this second installment of our conversation with Tarik, we discuss the LDS view of eternal laws that are external to God, and ask Tarik what he...

  35. Is Compatibilism Compatible with Mormonism? Pt. 1 (w/ Tarik D. LaCour)

    In this episode, we welcome a Latter-day Saint guest to Outer Brightness. Tarik D. LaCour is a PhD candidate in Philosophy at Texas A&M University. The topic of free-will (or moral agency) is deeply intertwined with LDS theology. Philosophically, Tarik holds to the position of soft determinism....

  36. Exploring Biblical Inerrancy, Pt. 3 (w/ Steve James)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul continue the conversation with Steve James. In this final installment, we continue the dialogue around the definitions of “inspiration” and “revelation,” the idea that the use of Ancient Near Eastern texts by Old Testament…

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  37. Exploring Biblical Inerrancy, Pt. 2 (w/ Steve James)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul continue the conversation with Steve James. In this second installment, we continue the conversation of the eighth LDS Article of Faith as it relates to the claim in 1 Nephi Chapter 8 in the Book of Mormon that plain and…

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  38. Exploring Biblical Inerrancy, Pt. 1 (w/ Steve James)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul welcome Steve James to Outer Brightness. Steve is a Latter-day Saint that we have dialogued with in various Facebook groups. Steve and Paul were having a spirited dialogue about the doctrine of Biblical Inerrancy in one of the...

  39. Are Mormons Christian?, Pt. 2 (LDS Gospel Topics Essays Series)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul read and respond to the LDS Gospel Topics Essay titled, Are Mormons Christian? Covered here in Part 2 are the other two main sections of the article "Latter-day Saints Believe in a Restored Christianity" and "Latter-day Saints...

  40. Are Mormons Christian?, Pt. 1 (LDS Gospel Topics Essays Series)

    In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul read and respond to the LDS Gospel Topics Essay titled, Are Mormons Christian? Covered here are the "Introduction" and first main section, "Latter-day Saints Do Not Accept the Creeds of Post-New Testament Christianity". We hope...

  41. Why We Study Theology

    In this bonus episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul sit down to discuss why we study theology.

  42. Bye, Flournicia

    It's the end of an era, the beginning of something new. Bye, Flournicia.

  43. The Iron Rod and The Escalator of God

    In this final episode of Season 5 of the Outer Brightness podcast, Michael & Briana join Matthew and Paul to discuss Michael’s article “The Iron Rod and the Escalator of God.” In this article, Michael focused on the topic of sanctification and how that plays out in the Christian’s life. We hope…

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  44. Mormon Charismatics (w/ Steven Pynakker), Pt. 2

    This week the Apostate Paul and Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist welcome Steven Pynakker to Outer Brightness. Steven is a charismatic Christian whose YouTube channel, Mormon Book Reviews, has taken off over the past few months. Steven has an interest in Mormon history and is very well read. He…

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  45. Mormon Charismatics (w/ Steven Pynakker), Pt. 1

    This week the Apostate Paul and Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist welcome Steven Pynakker to Outer Brightness. Steven is a charismatic Christian whose YouTube channel, Mormon Book Reviews, has taken off over the past few months. Steven has an interest in Mormon history and is very well read. He…

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  46. Having Effective Family Conversations, Pt. 2

    This week, you get to join me (The Apostate Paul) as a (fire)fly on the wall for a conversation between Michael the Ex-Mormon Apologist and his brother David, a Latter-day Saint. They talk most days during their commutes, and we think that this models how to how to have effective conversations...

  47. Having Effective Family Conversations, Pt. 1

    This week, you get to join me (The Apostate Paul) as a (fire)fly on the wall for a conversation between Michael the Ex-Mormon Apologist and his brother David, a Latter-day Saint. They talk most days during their commutes, and we think that this models how to how to have effective conversations...

  48. Becoming Like God, Pt. 3 (LDS Gospel Topics Essay Series)

    Hey Fireflies! Welcome to this bonus episode of Outer Brightness: From Mormon to Jesus. The Apostate Paul here. I’m recording a new intro for this episode, because since Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and I recorded this episode on July 1, the state of affairs has changed. So in this intro, I’m...

  49. Becoming Like God, Pt. 2 (Gospel Topics Essay Series)

    Hey Fireflies! Welcome to this bonus episode of Outer Brightness: From Mormon to Jesus. The Apostate Paul here. I’m recording a new intro for this episode, because since Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and I recorded this episode on July 1, the state of affairs has changed. So in this intro, I’m...

  50. Becoming Like God, Pt. 1 (Gospel Topics Essay Series)

    Hey Fireflies! Welcome to this bonus episode of Outer Brightness: From Mormon to Jesus. The Apostate Paul here. I’m recording a new intro for this episode, because since Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and I recorded this episode on July 1, the state of affairs has changed. So in this intro, I’m...

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