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Outside Ourselves
by 1517 Podcasts
Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
Episodes
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Augustine on the Modern Condition with Steve Kruschel
Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Steve Kruschel, about his latest devotional, A Year of Confession with Augustine: 365 Daily Devotions for the Restless Heart. The devotional will be out October 13, 2026 and is now available for preorder. Steve Kruschel serves as a pastor in Platteville,...
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The Ache of Living this Side of the Sky with Laura Wifler
Kelsi chats with author, Laura Wifler, about her first book of poetry, This Side of the Sky: 101 Poems and Scriptures for the Hungry, Hopeful, and Homesick. Laura Wifler is a poet, educator, and bestselling author of books for both adults and children. Laura has long offered Christian women a…
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When “Fear Not” Feels Impossible with Luke Kjolhaug
Author and Pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, Fear Not: How the Gospel Disrupts Our Deepest Anxieties. The two talk about how "Fear Not " is often less of a command than it is a promise throughout Scripture and how we can rely on Jesus to defeat our deepest anxieties....
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The World Has Forgotten How to Forgive with Amy Orr-Ewing
Kelsi is joined by theologian, Amy Orr-Ewing, to discuss the unique gift of Christian forgiveness which Amy writes about in her most recent book, Forgiveness: Reclaiming its Power in a Culture of Outrage and Fear. Amy Orr-Ewing (DPhil, Oxford University) is an international speaker, theologian…
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Christianity: Antidote to Progress with Eddie LaRow
Kelsi chat with author and editor, Eddie LaRow, about his forthcoming book, After Progress: How an Ancient Faith Roots a Restless Generation, the needs of those of us living in a digital age, and how those needs are met time and again by Christ and the cross. Eddie LaRow is an acquisitions editor...
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Why Women Need Good Theology with Mary Van Weelden
Content Manager for Sola Media, Mary Van Weelden, joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of making sure Christian women receive sound theological teaching and training from the local church, especially in the digital age where Tiktok and Instagram influencers often serve as our guides to...
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The Crisis of Morality (and Importance of Christian Virtue) with Alan Noble
Author Alan Noble joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of Christian virtue, rooting virtue in the gospel and Noble's latest book, To Live Well: Practical Wisdom for Moving through Chaotic Times. Dr. O. Alan Noble is Associate Professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and author of...
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The Spiritual Search for More with Belle Tindall-Riley
Kelsi talks with author and theologian, Belle Tindall-Riley, about her new book, The Sacred Ache, and Gen Z's search for the spiritual. Belle holds a Doctorate in Biblical Studies and her debut book, The Sacred Ache, was published in the UK June 2026. She is also editor-in-chief of The…
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The Lutheran View of Baptism with Brian Thomas
Kelsi interviews Pastor Brian W. Thomas about his latest book with 1517 Publishing, By Water and the Word: God's Gift of Baptism for You at the latest Northwest Arkansas HWSS conference. The book serves as a visual and written guide to the Lutheran view of baptism which Kelsi and Brian both argue...
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How to be Human with Carl Trueman
Kelsi talks with church historian, professor, and author, Carl Trueman about his newest book, The Desecration of Man: How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity. Carl R. Trueman (PhD, University of Aberdeen) is professor of biblical and religious studies at Grove City College. He is an…
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The Future of Family with Scott Keith
1517 Executive Director Scott Keith joins Kelsi to discuss his new book, Being Family: Passing Down the Faith Through the Generations. Show Notes: Support 1517 Podcast Network 1517 Podcasts 1517 on Youtube 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517...
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The Culture of God's Word with Hal Senkbeil and Lucas Woodford
Kelsi chats with co-authors, Hal Senkbeil and Lucas Woodford of the newly released "The Culture of God's Word: Faithful Ministry in a Post-Christian Society." The duo talk about remaining faithful to the preaching of God's effective words of law and gospel no matter what ministry trends or…
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Blaise Pascal: Faith, the Self, and Our Modern World with Graham Tomlin
Graham Tomlin joins Kelsi to discuss the influence and faith of 17th-century polymath, Blaise Pascal, based on Tomlin's most recent book, "Blaise Pascal: The Man Who Made the Modern World." The two discuss his similarities and differences with Martin Luther, his views of 17th-century French…
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Evidence for the Resurrection with Adam Francisco
What does it mean for Paul to claim that if Christ has not been raised, our preaching and faith is in vain as he states in 1 Corinthians 15? Adam Francisco joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of centering Christian apologetics on the resurrection of Christ as a historically reliable event.…
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Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World
Kelsi chats with author, Laurie Krieg, about her newest book (coauthored with her husband Matt), Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World, to answer how we keep the gospel as our foundation as we teach and guide our children through increasingly complex sexual issues today. Laurie Krieg is…
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Understanding Revivalism with Dan van Voorhis
What does revival really mean for the modern church? This week, historian, 1517 Scholar in Residence, and Christian History Almanac host, Dan Van Voorhis, joins Kelsi to explore the nuances of revivalism throughout American Christianity and to discuss whether or not the church is currently...
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The Season of Lent (and the Entire Christian Life) with Christopher Richmann
Christopher Richmann teaches religion and is assistant director for teaching and learning with the Academy for Teaching and Learning at Baylor University. An ordained ELCA pastor, Christopher serves St. John Lutheran Church in Gatesville, TX. He joins Kelsi to discuss his new book with 1517...
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The True Myth of the Gospel with Louis Markos
Kelsi talks with English professor and Christian apologist, Louis Markos, about the importance of myth, storytelling, and imagination within Christian apologetics. Using C.S Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien as guides, Dr. Markos argues Christianity is the truest myths and therefore Christ is the...
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Understanding the American Religious Landscape with Ryan Burge
Kelsi is joined by data analyst, Ryan Burge, to discuss the current American Religious Landscape as well as his newest book, The Vanishing Church: How the Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us.Dr. Ryan Burge is an associate professor of political science at...
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Grace and Absolution in Wake Up Dead Man with David Zahl
Kelsi chats with David Zahl about themes of faith and grace in Rian Johnson's newest film, Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man. David Zahl is founder and director of Mockingbird Ministries, which receives more than 1 million website page views per year and 35,000 newsletter subscribers and social media...
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Jim Nestingen's Legacy with John Pless
Kelsi talks with Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry and Missions, John Pless, about compiling and editing, The Essential Nestingen: Essays on Preaching, Catechism, and the Reformation. These essays were written by Dr. Pless' good friend, James Arne Nestingen (1945-2022). Jim was a beloved...
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Advent in Isaiah with Matt Popovits
Kelsi chats with Pastor Matt Popovits about this year's 1517 Advent Resources, Coming Home for Christmas: Advent in Isaiah. For the past three years, Matt has written the sermons for this series which is available for free for pastors and lay people alike to download and use. The series also...
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The Quiet Ambition with Ryan Tinetti
Kelsi chats with professor, pastor, and author Ryan Tinetti about his new book, The Quiet Ambition: Scripture's Surprising Antidote to Our Restless Lives. Based on 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12, The Quiet Ambition argues the life of the Christian often has much less to do with changing the world than…
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Kids and Parenting in the Digital Age with Erica Sorensen
Kelsi talks with Erica Sorensen about her experience in youth ministry and the affects of our current digital age on parenting and kids. The two discuss the impact of therapy culture, online culture, and trauma for Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Ultimately, Erica reminds listeners that Jesus is the answer...
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Free Will is a Fiction: An Introduction to the Bondage of the Will with John Hoyum
Kelsi is joined by Pastor and 1517 contributor, John Hoyum, to discuss Martin Luther's Bondage of the Will. In this conversation, the two go over some of Luther's main arguments against the idea that humans have the free ability to choose God in salvation and talk about how Luther approached...
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The Significance of Singleness with Dani Treweek
This week, Kelsi chats with author and theologian, Dani Treweek about her work on singleness and the church, and in particular, her new book, "Single Ever After: A Biblical Vision for the Significance of Singleness." Dani argues that just like marriage, singleness points us to eternity and...
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Evangelism in the Age of Despair with Andrew Root
In this episode, Kelsi talks with theologian and author, Andrew Root, about his work on the secular age and his newest book, Evangelism in the Age of Despair. The two talk about how despite our culture's emphasis on happiness, we remain sadder than ever and the role of consolation in evangelism....
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The Gift of Holy Scripture with Jonathan Linebaugh
Kelsi is joined by Jonathan Linebaugh to discuss his new book, The Well that Washes What it Shows: An Invitation to Holy Scripture. In the book and in this conversation, Jono describes Scripture as God's living and active word by which he does two works: reveals of our need for Jesus and gives us...
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Miscarriage and the God of All Comfort with Brittany Lee Allen
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with author Brittany Lee Allen about her book Lost Gifts: Miscarriage, Grief, and the God of All Comfort. Brittany opens up about her experience with recurring miscarriage and the peace she has found in Christ amid deep loss. Together, Kelsi and...
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Christian Identity and Vocation in Belfast
In the final Summer Break episode, Kelsi chats with Caleb and Nathan from @theologyontherise the 2021 movie, Belfast, and what it means to be given and identity rather than create one. They discuss how Belfast's main character, Buddy, wrestles with who he is as his parents simultaneously wrestle...
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Tony Stark and the Infinity Saga: Eucatastrophe and Sacrifice
In this episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break, 1517 executive director, Scott Keith, joins Kelsi to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe and specifically, the character arc of Tony Stark or Iron Man over the course of the Avengers: Infinity Saga series. Scott explains how J.R.R. Tolkien's...
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Law and Gospel in Jane Eyre
In this episode of Outside Ourselves: Summer Break, author, 1517 contributor, and internet theology whiz kid, Amy Mantravadi discuss theological themes in Charlotte Bronte's novel, Jane Eyre. Amy makes the argument that Jane's character development traces a law-gospel dynamic with Jane moving…
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Severance and a Theology of Suffering
Kelsi talks with pastor, author, and 1517 contributor, Bradley Gray, about themes of suffering in Apple TV's series, Severance. The two explore how the show reveals humanity's inability to escape suffering before turning to the Christian answer for pain, grief, and ultimately death. Show Notes:...
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Wicked and the Gift of Limitations with Ken Sundet Jones
In this first episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break series, Kelsi chats with Reformation Theology professor (and Broadway Musical Buff), Ken Sundet Jones, about the connections between Wicked and a theology of glory/theology of the cross. The two focus in on Elphaba's desire to live without...
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Sin and the Christian Life with Luke Kjolhaug
Kelsi is joined by author and pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, to talk about his new book, Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer to the Christian Life. Luke lays out a biblical defense of simul iustus et peccator, or the idea that in this life, the Christian remains wholly sinful while also being wholly...
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The Dangers of Gospel Drift with Jared C. Wilson
Jared C. Wilson joins Kelsi to chat about his latest book, Lest We Drift: Five Departure Dangers from the One True Gospel. In the book, Jared has identified the potential and problems with evangelical departures from gospel-centrality. In this conversation, Jared defines "gospel-centeredness" and...
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The Urgency of Grace with David Zahl
David Zahl joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World. David Zahl is the director of Mockingbird Ministries and editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. David and his wife Cate reside in Charlottesville, VA with their three boys, where…
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Assurance of Salvation with Mark Mattes
In this episode, Kelsi chats with theologian Mark Mattes about his new release with 1517 Publishing, Ditching the Checklist: Assurance of Salvation for Evangelicals (and Other Sinners). The two discuss the history and inner-workings of “Decision Theology” and why this theology ultimately leads...
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Forty Facets of the Ascension with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is back to talk about her latest book, Forty Facets of the Ascension. She breaks down the two Biblical accounts of the Ascension in Luke and Acts and talks about what the ascension tells us (and what it doesn't tell us) about Jesus as well as what it means for Christians.…
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Legalism and the Book of Galatians with R.L. Solberg
In today’s episode, Kelsi chats with theologian and author R.L. Solberg about his apologetic ministry, which focuses on providing a defense of historical and scriptural Christianity in response to Torahism or the Hebrew Roots movement. Robert lays out some of the issues with Torahism before…
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A Very Friendly Debate: The Third Use of the Law
In a new segment of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi hosts theologians Robert Kolb and Steven Paulson for a debate on the third use of the law. Dr. Kolb argues the third use of the law is an essential way in which the law functions within the life of the Christian to guide them to serve and love their...
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A Theology of Addiction with Donavon Riley
Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Donavon Riley, about his forthcoming book, The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction. The book and conversation explore how Martin Luther's theology, specifically the reformation doctrine of Simul Iustus et Peccator can inform our understanding of addiction...
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The Craft of Preaching with Bob Hiller
Pastor Bob Hiller joins Kelsi to discuss all things preaching: what is the content and aim of preaching? How does the Lutheran definition differ from other traditions? Pastor Hiller answers all this and more. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts...
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Walking through Deconstruction with Ian Harber
Kelsi chats with Christian author Ian Harber about his new book, Walking through Deconstruction: How to be a Companion in a Crisis of Faith, which details his own experience with with Christian deconstruction and return to faith. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast…
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Good News for Church Burnouts
This week we are playing Kelsi's talk from October's 1517 HWSS conference. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter...
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Faith and Evangelism in a Secular World with Magnus Persson
In the final Outside Ourselves episode of 2024, Kelsi interviews Pastor Magnus Persson about his personal journey from successful charismatic pastor to a minister in the Swedish Evangelical Lutheran Church. Magnus talks about what it's like pastoring in the most secular country in the world as a...
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A Novel of the Reformation with Amy Mantravadi
In this episode, Kelsi talks with author, Amy Mantravadi, about her new historical novel Broken Bonds: A Novel of the Reformation, released by 1517 Publishing last month. Amy talks about her journey to Reformation theology and history, and why she decided to write a novel detailing the feud…
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Christian Experience with Simeon Zahl
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with Theologian Simeon Zahl about his book, The Holy Spirit and Christian Experience. Simeon argues there is a long history of Christian experience, particularly as it's defined by human emotion, not only throughout Christian history but also…
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The Doctrine of Election with Flame: Live from HWSS
This is a recording of the live Outside Ourselves interview with Flame at this year's HWSS conference. In this conversation, Kelsi asks Flame about how his understanding of the doctrine of election has changed. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple…
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How Would Luther Vote? with Bruce Hillman and Adam Francisco
This week, Kelsi finishes her two-part conversation with Bruce Hillman and Adam Francisco with a look at Martin Luther's Two Kingdoms Doctrine, and especially the lefthanded or earthly realm. What did Luther think about the role of government in his day and age? Like many things with Luther, it's...
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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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