Practicing Hope Podcast

What do you do when a decision impacts everyone, but not everyone agrees? Making decisions on your own is hard enough. But in leadership, decisions often have consequences for an entire community. The challenge is building a process people can trust, even when they don't get their way. In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson explore the real tension of communal discernment: how leaders can navigate complex decisions with clarity, honesty, and care. Through stories from church leadership, organizational life, and their own experiences, they unpack practical ways to involve people, reduce anxiety, and build trust that lasts beyond the decision itself. In this episode, you'll hear: Why clarity about roles and decision-making authority builds trust — even when people disagree How practices like "if-then thinking" and separating data gathering from decision-making reduce anxiety What it looks like to care for people after a decision — especially those who feel like they lost Show Notes Fair Process framework — honesty, transparency, and respect in decision-making "If-Then" practice — naming fears and planning responses to reduce catastrophizing Colossians 3:15 — "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts…" If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever sat in a room where something needed to be said, but no one said it? In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson explore the challenge of naming hard truths with both courage and care. From "pointing to elephants" in the room to learning how to avoid dropping "verbal bombs," they reflect on the practices that help us discern when to speak, how to prepare our hearts, and how to stay connected even in difficult conversations. In this episode, you'll hear: Why naming hard truths requires both courage and emotional maturity How to discern your motivation before speaking, and why it matters Practical ways to enter hard conversations with clarity, curiosity, and care Show Notes: Colossians 4:6 — "Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt…" If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever had a decision that just… lingers? A conversation you know you need to have. A leadership call that keeps getting pushed to the next meeting. You tell yourself you're "still discerning" — but you're not actually moving forward. In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson explore the tension between faithful discernment and avoidance — why decisions get stuck, how fear and uncertainty keep us spinning, and what it looks like to grow into leaders who can listen deeply and act when it's time. Drawing on stories from church leadership, parenting, and everyday life, they offer practical ways to recognize real progress, name what's underneath our hesitation, and move forward with courage and clarity. In this episode, you'll hear: How to recognize the difference between real discernment and subtle avoidance Why fear of consequences — not the decision itself — often keeps us stuck Practical ways to move forward, including small decisions, play, and honest conversations Show Notes: The Failure of Nerve by Edwin Friedman Leading with a Limp by Dan Allender Holy Play by Kirk Byron Jones The Book of Esther (referenced as a model of courageous decision-making) If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever made a hard decision — only to realize the real challenge comes after? Maybe you're in a church, workplace, or community where there's real disagreement. You've wrestled with whether to stay or leave, and you've made your decision. But now a new set of questions begins: How do you stay without losing yourself? How do you leave without damaging relationships? And how do you move forward with honesty and care when there's no clean resolution? In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson explore what it looks like to live your decision with humility and courage. Through stories, humor, and practical wisdom, they name common pitfalls like silent quitting, over-functioning, and avoiding grief — and offer a more hopeful path rooted in boundaries, vulnerability, and love. In this episode, you'll hear: Why disagreement often surfaces grief and how avoiding it can distort how we stay or leave Common unhealthy patterns (like over-functioning, appeasing, or shutting down) and how to recognize them Practical ways to stay present, set boundaries, and move forward without losing yourself or others If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

When tension rises, certainty can feel like safety. We've all been in a room where strong conviction takes over and starts to sound like control, self-protection, and avoidance.  In leadership, certainty is often rewarded. It feels decisive and strong. But what if discernment asks us to listen instead?  In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson explore what to do with your own certainty (and someone else's), how to respond when someone says, "God told me…," and how to stay grounded without closing the process. Drawing on Scripture and stories from parenting, church leadership, and everyday life, they reflect on how the Holy Spirit guides communities — not just individuals — over time. In this episode, you'll hear: Why certainty is often about control, not faith How to respond wisely when someone claims spiritual authority What it looks like to be confident and humble at the same time Show Notes (resources + references mentioned): Discernment by Henri Nouwen  Acts 15:28 — "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us…" (a model of shared discernment) Matthew 7:7–11 — "Ask, seek, knock…" (confidence rooted in relationship, not control) If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever wished there were a simple formula for knowing when it's time to move on,  especially after your community makes a decision you wouldn't have chosen? Sometimes the hardest decisions aren't about starting something new — they're about what to do after a decision has already been made. Maybe your church changed direction. Maybe your organization chose a path you wouldn't have chosen. Now you're left holding the question: Do I stay, or is it time to go? In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson explore what faithful discernment looks like when you find yourself out of step with your community. Drawing on personal stories, leadership experiences, and practices from the Christian tradition, they talk about how to slow down, notice what's happening inside you, and discern your next step without rushing toward relief or avoiding the question altogether. In this episode, you'll hear: Why the deeper question isn't just "Should I stay or go?" but who you're becoming as you discern How to tell the difference between healthy discomfort, anxiety, and harm Practical ways to discern your next step — including the "sandbox week" practice and taking small, reversible actions Show Notes Discernment by Henri Nouwen  Ignatian practice of the Examen (consolation and desolation) If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever carried a decision that felt heavy? Leadership often puts us in moments where there's no obvious right answer — just responsibility, consequence, and the hope that we don't cause harm. What if discernment isn't about finding certainty, but about becoming the kind of person who can choose love when the stakes are high? In this episode, Tanner Smith is joined by Chase Stancle and Sarah Johnson to explore what it means to discern well under pressure. They talk about fear, fatigue, and responsibility, and the practices that form leaders who can listen deeply, act with integrity, and stay grounded when decisions affect others. In this episode, you'll hear: Why hard decisions often involve competing goods, not right vs. wrong How fear, fatigue, and responsibility shape our decision-making Practices that help leaders choose love over anxiety Show notes Discernment by Henri Nouwen Practice of Deep listening: Listening on multiple levels — to words, meaning beneath words, tone, and body language. If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.  

Have you ever had someone trust you with something heavy, and suddenly you're not sure what to say? A friend tells you their marriage is falling apart. A volunteer quietly admits they're exhausted and thinking about stepping away. You want to respond well, but your mind races. What if trust isn't about having the perfect words, but about showing up with steadiness, humility, and care? In this episode, hosts Tanner Smith and Sarah Johnson are joined by Holly Wilson from Safe Haven Ministries to talk about what trustworthiness looks like in real relationships, especially when someone shares a painful story. In this episode, you'll hear: Why judgment is often self-protection, and how to step out of it How body language, pacing, and presence communicate safety What to do when you're out of your depth, and why honesty builds trust Show Notes Safe Haven Ministries — Learn more about their work supporting individuals impacted by domestic violence and human trafficking: safehavenministries.org Slowing Down Guide — A formation guide from The Colossian Forum for practicing presence and steadiness in moments of stress. Download here!  Hope in Your Inbox — The Colossian Forum's weekly newsletter with practices, reflections, and encouragement. Subscribe here: colossianforum.org/newsletter Fred Rogers quote: "Anything that's human is mentionable, and anything that is mentionable can be more manageable. When we can talk about our feelings, they become less overwhelming, less upsetting, and less scary. The people we trust with that important talk can help us know that we are not alone." Scripture: Mark 5:25–34 — Jesus' unhurried, attentive response to the woman who touches the hem of his garment If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.  

Have you ever gone days without needing to ask anyone for help? Groceries arrive at your door. Coffee is ordered ahead. Work, worship, and errands can all happen without a single face-to-face conversation. Life runs efficiently, but often at the cost of shared life. What if a fuller life comes not from convenience, but from shared life with others? Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle examine the value of self-sufficiency and how it shapes our neighborhoods, churches, and relationships. They talk about proximity, hospitality, and why growth often comes through inconvenience, disagreement, and showing up in person. Along the way, they offer practices that help rebuild everyday connection, starting right where we live. In this episode, you'll hear: How convenience can replace interdependence Why presence matters more than efficiency One concrete practice to try with your neighbors Show Notes: Genesis 2:18 — "It is not good for humans to be alone" Making Room: Recovering Hospitality as a Christian Tradition by Christine Pohl  You Are What You Love by James K.A. Smith Lessons from Mister Rogers, an article on The Latest by Heidi De Jonge, a Colossian Forum trainer  The extra pie practice: Make or buy more dessert than you need, then use it as a low-pressure reason to knock on a neighbor's door. The goal is to create a brief, human moment that opens the door to connection. Pie recipes from Sarah: Chocolate Cream Pie and Lemonade Pie If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever opened your phone "just for a minute" and ended up angry at strangers on the internet? So many of us pick up our phones to relax, but instead feel restless, stressed, and less present to the people right in front of us. What if your online life could actually become a place to practice hope and love? In this episode of our Beholding series, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson talk about how phones and social media shape our brains, our bodies, and our relationships — and how small, practical practices can help us stay human, grounded, and open to God, even while we scroll. In this episode, you'll hear: Why doomscrolling creates "micro-stress cycles" in your body Honest stories of losing and finding hope in online spaces Simple ways to set boundaries and bring your real self back into the room Show Notes: An article by Amy Julia Becker on engaging faithfully in online conversations (featured on The Colossian Forum's blog, The Latest) The Colossian Forum "Prayer of the Week" — follow us on Instagram for regular prayers @colossianforum The Social Dilemma documentary (recommended pre-phone viewing for teens) Practice of tracking daily screen time in a paper planner Ideas for analog hobbies: reading, coloring, puzzles, tying flies for fishing, walking outside If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever felt a friendship grow tense or distant and weren't sure why? In a world marked by polarization and quick assumptions, even strong friendships can feel fragile. A single comment, a post, or a difference in perspective can suddenly amplify the distance between us. But what if the gap you feel isn't the end of the relationship — just an invitation to truly see each other again? In this episode, Tanner, Chase, and Sarah explore why division makes friendships harder to navigate, why we sometimes turn friends into "categories," and how small acts of curiosity can soften what feels strained. In this episode, you'll hear: Why polarized culture makes friendship feel more fragile What's really happening when a friend starts to feel like a stranger Simple practices for reconnecting with curiosity and humility Show Notes: Curiosity prompt: "How did you come to see it that way?" Philippians 4:7 Practice: Everyday Carry (EDC) Questions When a friendship feels tense or distant, try carrying an "Everyday Carry" question — one simple prompt you can use to stay curious instead of reactive. Just like you keep your keys or phone on hand, keep a question ready that helps you slow down and listen. Something like "How did you come to see it that way?", "What shaped the way you think about this?", or "What feels most important to you here?" These kinds of questions invite real stories instead of assumptions and create a little more space for connection when a moment feels tender or difficult. If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you noticed hurry shrinking your capacity to love the people right in front of you? The pace of life makes us reactive — rushing kids out the door, skimming conversations, and missing moments that matter. What if slowing down wasn't about doing less, but about learning to see as God sees? In this kickoff to our Beholding series, Tanner, Chase, and Sarah explore how hurry distorts our relationships and how attention, presence, and prayer can restore them. Warm, practical, and honest—this conversation helps you trade frantic for faithful with the people you love most. In this episode, you'll hear: Why "beholding" (2 Corinthians 5) changes how we see each other Everyday practices to resist urgency and be present A simple prayer rhythm to rest in God's lovingkindness Show Notes Beholding: "From now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view" 2 Corinthians 5:16 Centering Prayer (Thomas Keating): using a prayer word like "lovingkindness"  Nikon Small World micro-photography (example of "seeing" the ordinary) Resource: How to Slow Down and Be a Peaceful Presence When Tensions Are High — free guide from The Colossian Forum If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever felt powerless in a situation you care deeply about? When things feel out of control, it's easy to slip into the story that says, "There's nothing I can do." But what if helplessness isn't the whole story? In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson wrap up their Relational Triangles series by exploring the Victim role — what it really is, what it isn't, and how to move from stuckness to agency. Through Scripture, humor, and real-life examples, they unpack how empathy and small choices can restore hope and courage in the midst of overwhelm. In this episode, you'll hear: How to tell the difference between feeling powerless and being powerless Why empathy is the first step toward reclaiming agency How to shift from victim to creator — finding a faithful way forward Show Notes Stephen Karpman's Drama Triangle: Victim, Villain, Hero roles 1 Kings 19 – Elijah's story of exhaustion and renewal Reflection guide: "15 Reflection Questions for Moving From Powerlessness to Agency" —  a free resource to help you or someone you lead move from helplessness to hopeful agency through gentle, faith-centered self-reflection and conversation. If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Can we be honest? Blame feels good — at least for a moment. It's quick, easy, and even a little satisfying to find someone else to fault. But before we know it, that "warm blanket" of blame can leave us isolated and stuck. In this next installment of the Relational Triangles series on the Practicing Hope Podcast, Sarah Johnson joins Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle to explore the role of the Accuser and how to move from calling people out to calling people in. Together, they unpack how fear, blame, and even our brains can keep us reactive and how curiosity, confession, and prayer can open space for real connection and growth.   In this episode, you'll hear: Why anxious systems feed on blame and how to calm them How to shift from accuser to challenger A simple prayer to slow down and respond with wisdom   Show Notes Stephen Karpman's Drama Triangle: Victim, Villain, Hero roles Brain science: amygdala, mirror neurons, dopamine/oxytocin Psalm 139 — "Search me and know my heart…" PDF: 15 Reflection Questions for Leaders — a free PDF with 10+ thoughtful prompts you can keep in your back pocket to reframe conflict and invite growth Slowing Down Guide — a simple, free, practical resource to help leaders pause, breathe, and show up as a peaceful presence when tensions rise Staying Grounded Guide — a reflection-based guide that helps you pause in the heat of tension and move from reactivity to agency, so you can show up with greater clarity, peace, and presence. If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever felt the pressure to fix everyone else's problems? Maybe with your kids, your congregation, or coworkers, you step in, smooth things over, and carry weight that isn't yours. It feels noble, but it can drain you and keep others from growing. What if rescuing isn't the most loving thing you can do? In Part 2 of our Relational Triangles series, hosts Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle — joined by Sarah Johnson — unpack the "hero/rescuer" role of the Drama Triangle: why anxious systems reward over-functioning and how to shift from rescuer to coach with simple, wise questions. In this episode, you'll hear: Why leaders are tempted to over-function How rescuing can quietly dishonor people Coaching questions to invite growth instead of fixing Show Notes: Stephen Karpman's Drama Triangle: Victim, Villain, Hero roles 1 Corinthians 12–14 (body metaphor) Slowing Down Guide — a simple, free, practical resource to help leaders pause, breathe, and show up as a peaceful presence when tensions rise PDF: Coaching Questions for Leaders — a free PDF with 10+ thoughtful prompts you can keep in your back pocket to reframe conflict and invite growth If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

Have you ever found yourself pulled into someone else's conflict? It happens at work, at church, even in the grocery store. One moment you're minding your own business, and the next you're caught in the middle of a conversation that really belongs between two other people. What if, instead of absorbing stress that isn't yours, you could learn to notice these moments and respond more healthily? In this hope-filled episode of Leading in Practice, hosts Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle explore the hidden dynamics of relational triangles. They share stories from pastoral life, practical strategies to "flatten the triangle," and ways to discern when you're moving toward connection—or just lowering discomfort. Along with guest producer Sarah, they reveal how triangles can either short-circuit relationships or create surprising space for wisdom and healing. In this episode, you'll hear: How to spot the difference between gossip, venting, and seeking wisdom. A simple practice for "flattening the triangle" and inviting the right person in. Why noticing your patterns can help you stay grounded instead of over-functioning. Show Notes: Edwin Friedman's "balcony vs. dance floor" metaphor from Leadership on the Line by Ronald Heifetz and Marty Linsky The Karpman Drama Triangle: victim, villain, hero roles If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.  

Have you ever lost yourself in the middle of conflict? When tensions rise, many of us either rush to fix things or soften the edges to keep the peace. But what if you could stay grounded — anchored in your values — even when things get hard? In this honest and hope-filled episode of Practicing Hope, Rev. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle explore what it means to be a defined leader: someone who knows their values, shows up with clarity, and doesn't disappear in the heat of conflict. You'll laugh, reflect, and leave with practical tools for staying present when it matters most. In this episode, you'll hear: How shared language can build trust in hard conversations. How to name the values that keep you grounded. Simple practices for staying connected when tensions rise. Show Notes: Learn more about Schwartz's Values Wheel Try the Competing Values Card Game  Feelings Wheel  Terry Real podcast episode on generational trauma.  Fred Rogers quote: "Anything that's human is mentionable, and anything that is mentionable can be more manageable. When we can talk about our feelings, they become less overwhelming, less upsetting, and less scary. The people we trust with that important talk can help us know that we are not alone." If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.  If you'd like to receive bi-monthly prayer, encouragement, and hopeful practices, subscribe to our email newsletter, Hope in Your Inbox.

What if the key to peace is getting closer, not pulling away? In this episode of Practicing Hope, Tanner Smith sits down with Todd Deatherage and Emily Cullum of Telos, a peacemaking organization that leads immersive trips into places shaped by conflict. Together, they explore how "getting proximate" — moving toward people and places we don't understand — can transform our lives, deepen empathy, and help us love more like Jesus. If you've ever wondered how to faithfully engage across difference or how to love when it's hard, this conversation offers hope and practical next steps. In this episode:  Proximity helps us see others as fully human.  Growth and empathy often begin where our comfort ends. Christians are called to be peacemakers, even when it's uncomfortable. Show notes: Learn more about Telos Group by visiting their website. 2 Corinthians 5 "Going Toward in Difficult Relationships" episode on the Practicing Hope podcast.  If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org and follow us on social media @colossianforum.  If you'd like to receive bi-monthly prayer, encouragement, and hopeful practices, subscribe to our email newsletter, Hope in Your Inbox.

What does it look like to lead with integrity — in the pulpit and at the dinner table? In this vulnerable and hopeful episode, Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle reflect on the real tensions of being both ministry leaders and family members. Through laughter, honest stories, and hard-earned wisdom, they explore what it means to integrate your calling with your core identity. Together, they explore what it means to be fully human, to show up with honesty, and to lead from a place of wholeness. Whether you're a parent, pastor, or both, this conversation is a gentle invitation to integrate your faith, your work, and your relationships with grace. In this episode, Chase and Tanner discuss:  Why leading with integrity starts with knowing yourself How open family dialogue builds emotional resilience Practices to stay present with your loved ones under pressure Show notes: Proverbs 22:6 "Growing Yourself Up" by Jenny Brown "Everything Isn't Terrible" by Kathleen Smith If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

What do you do when funding opportunities come with tension and tough choices? In this episode on The Practicing Hope Podcast, Jess and Jeff dive into the real-life tension between staying true to your mission and accepting the money that helps make it happen. From generous gifts to gifts with strings attached, they explore how nonprofit leaders can navigate financial decisions without losing their integrity. With honest stories and practical steps, they invite you to lead with courage, even when the pressure is high. Whether you work in fundraising or just care about doing good work faithfully, this episode offers wisdom and hope for the road ahead. In this episode, Jess and Jeff discuss: Why some gifts come with invisible strings — and how to name them How leaders can respond to power and anxiety with systems thinking Four steps for navigating funding tensions with wisdom and grace If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  "A Spirituality of Fundraising" by Henri Nouwen "Leadership is an Art" by Max De Pree "Telling Stories in the Dark" by Jeff Munroe If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.  

What if the difficult people in your life are also your greatest teachers? In this episode, Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle and Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith take an honest, hopeful look at what it means to lead in the midst of hard relationships. Instead of giving a formula to fix "those people," they turn the focus inward, offering wisdom and practical tools to help leaders respond with love, boundaries, and self-awareness. From guilt bonds to compassion fatigue, they unpack the reasons difficult relationships wear us down. They explore keys to staying grounded in your identity, even when tension rises. This conversation is full of laughter, honesty, and encouragement for any leader who feels worn out by people they're trying to love well. In this episode, Chase and Tanner discuss:  Difficult people often reveal the deeper work God is doing in us. Healthy boundaries are a gift to you and the people you lead. Love doesn't have to be earned to be given   If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout – A resource on compassion fatigue and leadership wellness. The Wounded Healer by Henri Nouwen – A reflection on how our wounds can become a source of healing for others. The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32) – A biblical story referenced to explore the nature of God's unconditional love. Writings by Howard Thurman – Particularly his reflections on inner calm during the civil rights movement and how that inner calm enables nonviolent presence in the face of outer chaos. If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

What do you do when the people you lead hold competing values? Whether it's politics, sexuality, or the color of the sanctuary carpet, leaders are often stuck in the middle. They find themselves caught between people who love Jesus but can't see eye to eye.  In this episode, Jess and Jeff draw from real-life examples and Scripture to unpack how non-anxious leadership can change the tone of an entire community. You'll hear stories of the power of curiosity, and how laughter, shared meals, and guiding values can help us reconnect when division threatens to pull us apart. With wisdom, humor, and even an illustration from a Ted Lasso scene, they offer hopeful next steps for leaders facing division.   You'll hear: Why surface issues are rarely the real issues. How systems thinking can help leaders stay grounded when anxiety spikes. Why curiosity (not judgment) is the key to building connection in divided communities.   If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  The Darts Scene in Ted Lasso "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and freedom" (Viktor Frankl).  "Telling Stories in the Dark" by Jeffrey Munroe If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

What if your body is trying to tell you something important? In this episode, Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle explore the powerful connection between our bodies, emotions, and spiritual well-being. They discuss how ignoring physical signals can impact leadership, relationships, and mental health. Whether you're a pastor or not, learning to listen to your body can lead to healing, stronger connections, and more intentional decision-making.   In this episode, Tanner and Chase discuss: Our bodies send important messages, but we often ignore them to stay busy. Neglecting physical needs, like rest and food, can affect how we treat others. Paying attention to our bodies can help us heal emotionally and grow in self-awareness.   If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  "Try Softer" by Aundi Kolber "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D. If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

In the first episode of our new segment, Systems and Shifts, Rev. Jess Shults and Rev. Jeffrey Munroe talk about the challenges leaders face when their personal beliefs change, but their jobs and organizations expect them to stay the same. They discuss why these internal conflicts happen and share advice on how to handle them wisely, especially when personal growth or changes in faith don't match the values of the organization. Throughout their conversation, they talk about the difficulties of leading in Christian environments, where faith, change, and expectations often clash. Jeff also shares personal stories from his own ministry experiences to help others figure out how to manage changing beliefs while staying true to themselves and their organizations.   In this episode, Jess and Jeff discuss:  Accepting how one's beliefs naturally change throughout life Discerning God's will amidst layers of institutional values and perspectives  Finding the balance between servant leadership and personal boundaries   If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  "Extraordinary Relationships: A New Way of Thinking About Human Interactions" by Roberta Gilbert  "Growing Yourself Up: How to Bring your Best to All of Your Relationships" by Jenny Brown  To learn more about Jeff Munroe's work, visit www.jeffreymunroe.com and check out his new book "Telling Stories in the Dark." You can purchase a copy on Amazon! If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

In a world that relentlessly pushes leaders to do more and move faster, the act of slowing down feels like a luxury we can't afford. But in this episode, we explore why it's not only necessary — it's essential to our spiritual and emotional flourishing. Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle share practical ways to rest, reflect, and connect more deeply with God. They offer simple ideas like setting boundaries, taking time for a Sabbath, and learning how to pause. These small changes can help us deal with the busy world without getting overwhelmed.Through personal stories and spiritual wisdom, this conversation will challenge you to rethink how you approach your time, your relationships, and your own well-being.   In this episode, Tanner and Chase discuss:  Setting boundaries for healthier relationships and personal growth The power of pausing and how it helps you focus on what really matters How resting can build trust with the people you lead and care about   If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  "Politics & Our Bodies" with Aundi Kolber  "Sabbath: The Ancient Practices" by Dan Allender "Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again" by Ruth Haley Barton   If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org and follow us on social media @colossianforum. 

In this episode of The Practicing Hope Podcast, Pastor Kim DeLong joins host Jenny Steele to dive into her transformative experience with the Leap of Faith movie. Through her work with the Colossian Forum, Kim learned to see conflict not as something to fear, but as a powerful tool for deeper understanding. Kim also shares the incredible story of her church's journey through financial hardship, ultimately selling their building to an organization serving homeless families. The experience reshaped her view of what it means to be the church and highlighted the importance of reaching beyond the walls to truly serve the community. Kim and Jenny discuss: The power of "directness" in both words and actions Balancing denominational loyalty with broader church collaboration Conflict as a pathway to deeper connection with others Don't miss Kim's inspiring journey and the lessons she's learned about conflict, community, and faith. Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.   

What does true leadership in a polarized world look like? In this episode of the Practicing Hope podcast, Jenny Steele sits down with Pastor James Stokes whose influence in Grand Rapids, Michigan spans from the pulpit to community activism. Listen in as Pastor Stokes reveals how his experiences, from navigating societal and institutional shifts to participating in groundbreaking projects like the Leap of Faith movie, have reshaped his approach to ministry and community engagement. Dr. Stokes discusses how his interactions with the other pastors in the movie challenged and expanded his views, fostering a deeper understanding of what it means to engage with people beyond their labels and identities. In this episode, James and Jenny discuss:  The power of relationships across cultural and theological divides The role of faith in addressing polarization and conflict  The value of listening more than speaking, especially when who you're talking to is vulnerable and in need of support Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website.

In this episode on the Practicing Hope Podcast, Jenny Steele sits down with Pastor Andrew Vanover, a participant in the Leap of Faith movie. As the pastor of Thornapple Covenant Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Andrew shares a powerful and honest look into his journey through the challenges of leading during a global pandemic, navigating church polarization, and enduring significant staff changes.  Along with his pastoral experience, Andrew shares about being part of Leap of Faith. Through this process, Andrew discovered that real transformation often happens in the small, quiet spaces, and that being faithful in those moments is just as significant as anything "grand."  In this episode, Andrew and Jenny discuss:  How churches, especially in small communities, can be profoundly impacted by the pressures of modern ministry How God can unite people with differing views How God's kingdom often works through small, ordinary acts of kindness and reconciliation Listeners will hear about Andrew's personal growth through his sabbatical, the real-world challenges pastors face in today's divided climate, and the unexpected ways God works when leaders are open to vulnerability, rest, and collaboration. Andrew's reflections are both encouraging and thought-provoking for anyone in ministry, leadership, or simply seeking hope in times of hardship. Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.

What do you do when the way you worship becomes a point of division? In this episode of Pastors Anonymous, hosts Jenny Steele and Jess Shults tackle two key challenges church leaders face: managing tensions around church renovations and creating inclusive worship experiences. They offer practical insights for leaders on balancing tradition and change in ways that respect sacred spaces and diverse congregations. In this episode, Jenny and Jess discuss:   The emotional complexity of remodeling worship spaces and the importance of navigating church renovation changes with empathy How physical spaces shape our spiritual lives The challenges of blending different worship styles, addressing cultural misunderstandings, and overcoming language barriers This episode is a thoughtful exploration of how church leaders can navigate conflict, foster inclusivity, and honor both the past and the future in their worship practices. Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.

In this episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations, Rev. Tierra Marshall and Jenny Steele talk about the central role of friendship in Tierra's life, both inside and outside the church, and how it informs her pastoral leadership. She explains how themes of vulnerability and genuine care played out during the filming process of Leap of Faith and recounts her memorable discussions with fellow pastors like Molly and Ashlee, and why storytelling became such a powerful tool in building connection among the group. Tierra candidly addresses the complexities of being portrayed in the film, including her mixed feelings about how her character was represented. Despite feeling flattened at times, Tierra highlights the powerful moments of connection, conversation, and growth that emerged throughout the process. In this episode, Tierra and Jenny discuss:  How shared meals and informal conversations can become a place of connection, healing, and trust-building The importance of humility and courage in pastoral leadership, especially when addressing difficult cultural issues How true friendship doesn't aim to change the other person but to help them become their most authentic self Tune in as Tierra opens up about the importance of friendship and gives us a glimpse into her personal life, including her love for hiking as a spiritual practice and a source of hope, and her upcoming adventures in places like Mount Kilimanjaro and Mount Rainier. Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.   

In a culture that demands certainty—especially in the public sphere of social media and ministry—Pastor Troy Hatfiled talks with Ashlee Eiland in today's episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations about the relief that comes with acknowledging one's limitations. Troy and Ashlee discuss the vulnerability it takes to admit "I don't know" and why spaces for honest, open dialogue are so vital, both in the church and in our personal relationships.  Troy shares a vulnerable moment from the filming of the LEAP OF FAITH movie that led to a significant breakthrough in his own journey toward authenticity. He reflects on how the simple act of admitting uncertainty in the presence of others can foster connection, trust, and deeper spiritual growth. In this episode, Troy and Ashlee discuss:  The practice of "going toward" others in moments of tension or disagreement The cultural pressure to have strong opinions and convictions about everything The shared responsibility of the community in bearing witness to one another's stories and struggles This episode isn't just for pastors or ministry leaders—it's for anyone who's longing for practical wisdom on how to lead with grace, how to embrace the messy, difficult parts of life and leadership, and how to create spaces where honesty can flourish.  

In this episode, Jenny Steele sits down with Pastor Cornelius Ting who has served as the pastor of Grand Rapids Chinese Christian Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan for nearly two decades. Cornelius shares his journey from growing up in multicultural Malaysia to becoming a key participant in the movie LEAP OF FAITH.  Cornelius opens up about his own struggles with insecurity and isolation in his pastoral role and how moments of shared worship, devotion, and even bread-making at the LEAP OF FAITH filming retreats deepened his sense of connection with others. He also reflects on the broader implications for the church in fostering authentic relationships and being a place where people can bring their weaknesses and still feel loved. Listen in as Cornelius reflects on the hardest and most beautiful moments from the retreats, shares the wisdom he's gained from living and leading across difference, and offers a profound lesson on how the church can be a place of belonging for all.  In this episode, Cornelius and Jenny discuss:  The tension of wanting to meet others' needs while having few people to lean on in return The impact of small, shared moments of devotional time, singing, and meals in forming deep spiritual and personal connections How the church can better step into the gaps of isolation and loneliness in the broader community Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com.

In an age where polarization runs deep, how can churches create spaces of genuine dialogue?  In this episode of the Practicing Hope Podcast, host Ashlee Eiland speaks with Pastor Artie Lindsay, one of the pastors in LEAP OF FAITH, about the profound theme of authenticity within pastoral leadership. They discuss the importance of not just knowing theology but genuinely understanding the heart of God.  As they reflect on their experiences during the filming of LEAP OF FAITH, Artie expresses hope for the church to rewrite its narrative, demonstrating a third way that embodies the love and grace of the kingdom. Artie shares a moving example of his growing friendship with fellow pastor Molly, another pastor in the movie, illustrating how moving towards others, despite differences, can foster trust and connection. They conclude with a heartfelt discussion on the friendships that inspire hope in their ministries and the broader community. In this episode, Ashlee and Artie discuss:  The importance of understanding the heart of God, not just the letter of the law The detrimental effects of isolation in pastoral roles and among congregations Engagement of churches in social issues, such as economic mobility and community development Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com.

In this episode of Pastors Anonymous, hosts Jenny Steele and Rev. Jess Shults explore the evolving understanding of what it means to be the Church. Inspired by a listener's question—"Can church occur in a dog park or a tattoo parlor?"—they discuss the mental models that shape our perceptions of community and faith, challenging the notion that Church is confined to a physical building. This episode is for anyone feeling weary in their journey or seeking to revitalize their connection to faith and fellowship. If you have questions or scenarios you'd like addressed, send an email to [email protected]. In this episode, Jenny and Jess discuss:  How the early Church was characterized by shared experiences and practices rather than specific locations The idea of a "bigger imagination" is essential for recognizing where God is at work outside traditional settings The importance of affirming unity in Christ during corporate prayers about divisive issues Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.

Ever wondered why we crave authenticity in our relationships? Join Ashlee Eiland and Jenny Steele in Leap of Faith Movie Conversations as they discuss the connection between our spiritual design and our longing for open, honest dialogues, all while confronting the challenges that come with embracing our true selves. Listeners will hear about Ashlee's role in LEAP OF FAITH, some of her recent life changes, including her transition from pastoral ministry to leading a school, and how her experiences have shaped her approach to conflict resolution. The episode candidly explores the evolution of Ashlee's understanding of leadership—from navigating hierarchical church structures to fostering collaborative environments—highlighting the importance of being a non-anxious presence in tense situations. Whether you've seen the film or are simply seeking encouragement in your own life, this episode offers a rich tapestry of stories and wisdom aimed at rekindling hope in the face of adversity. Join Jenny and Ashlee as they invite you to embrace vulnerability, community, and the transformative power of faith. In this episode, Ashlee and Jenny discuss:  The importance of addressing conflict in various environments, including churches and schools How maintaining a non-anxious presence during conflicts helps facilitate constructive conversations Why being surrounded by a caring community during great loss and health challenges in life supported Ashlee's healing and grieving Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com.

In this episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations, Ashlee Eiland welcomes her friend Ben Kampmeier, a seasoned minister with a rich background in various church roles. From his beginnings as the "youth group guitar kid" to his current role as Director of Engagement at Our Daily Bread Ministries, Ben shares the journey that has shaped his faith and ministry. As they explore Ben's unexpected involvement in LEAP OF FAITH, he emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, sharing how deep friendships formed across differences became a powerful witness to the world. He discusses the concept of "rupture and repair," illustrating how meaningful connections require both honesty and the willingness to apologize and grow together. Now navigating life as a parishioner after years in leadership, Ben reveals the hope he finds in community. He discusses how being part of a small church has reshaped his understanding of authenticity and the profound impact of genuine human connection on his faith journey. In this episode, Ben and Ashlee discuss:  The role of creativity in Ben's early ministry and how it shaped his calling as a worship leader The balance between honesty and authenticity in ministry, and the need for boundaries in relationships  The struggle with ministry burnout and how it influenced Ben's view on his vocation  Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com.

What if the key to healing a polarized world lies in the ancient wisdom of faith? In this episode on The Practicing Hope Podcast, host Jenny Steele speaks with Michael Gulker, the president of the Colossian Forum, to continue the conversation about the new movie LEAP OF FAITH. Jenny and Michael delve into the origins of the groundbreaking film project that arose from the heart of Grand Rapids, sparked by filmmaker Nicholas, who sought to document the journey of pastors grappling with deep-seated exhaustion and isolation. They reflect on the challenges these leaders faced in a world rife with division and how, through vulnerability and shared stories, they found a renewed sense of connection. Listeners will hear about the hurdles faced by pastors, who, although eager for connection and healing, often felt exhausted and stretched thin. Michael highlights how, through this process, they discovered a surprising depth of loneliness among these leaders and the transformative power of community. In this episode, Michael and Jenny discuss:  Michael's unique journey from aspiring engineer to ordained pastor and how that background has impacted his understanding of conflict in the church The importance of engaging conflict as an act of worship and a spiritual discipline, rather than merely a source of division The evolution of The Colossian Forum, highlighting its transition from hosting forums to creating curricula and offering coaching designed to guide individuals through difficult discussions on topics like faith and science  Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com.

As part of our series exploring the LEAP OF FAITH documentary, podcast host Jenny Steele and the Rev. Molly Bosscher (St. Andrew's Episcopal Church in Grand Rapids, MI) discuss Molly's unique journey throughout the filming of LEAP OF FAITH, the active nature of hope, and what it looks like for her parish to be a safe haven for all who enter. With heartwarming anecdotes about her congregation's compassionate outreach, Molly paints a vivid picture of a church where everyone is embraced for their true selves. Molly opens up about how her differences, specifically her liberal theological beliefs and value of silence in worship, made it a beautiful, holy challenge to be vulnerable with the eleven other pastors in LEAP OF FAITH. Together, Jenny and Molly explore the fumbling that often accompanies growth in community, ultimately emphasizing that the journey of connection is an ongoing process of learning and understanding.  In this episode, Jenny and Molly discuss:  The importance of incorporating space and silence into intense conversations  The need to create space for diverse perspectives within faith communities to build a more inclusive environment How open communication about discomfort and challenges fosters deeper connections and growth among communities  Join them as they explore the delicate dance of fostering inclusive communities, emphasizing that while the path may be messy, it's through these shared experiences that genuine bonds are formed. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion that challenges us all to embrace our differences and learn from one another. Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com

In this episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations, Jenny Steele talks with Pastor Chase Stancle, the pastor of Unison Christian Church in Grand Rapids, MI, about his experience being featured in the LEAP OF FAITH movie, the challenges of seeking communal healing in a midwestern culture of conflict avoidance, and how unity, understood as a divine command, not a nicety, can change the world's perception of the church. As the discussion progresses, Pastor Stancle delves into his church's intentional embrace of multiculturalism and fostering an environment of honest dialogue and conflict navigation.  Join us as we discuss the importance of addressing "elephants in the room," the transformative power of candid communication, and how conflict can lead to deeper intimacy with God and each other. Whether you're involved in church leadership or seeking to strengthen your community ties, this episode offers valuable insights and practical wisdom for nurturing authentic relationships in a polarized world. In this episode, Jenny and Chase discuss:  The cultural tendency to prioritize task-oriented approaches over genuine relationships among church leaders The challenges posed by social media in reducing people to one-dimensional figures, which undermines the complexity of human relationships A call for curiosity in relationships, urging individuals to explore and understand the many dimensions of each other instead of simplifying their identities  Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website, leapoffaithmovie.com

In a world where every post can spark debate, how can church leaders maintain a faithful witness online? In this inaugural Pastors Anonymous episode, host Jenny Steele and Chief Partnerships Officer Rev. Jess Shults dive into the complexities of being a pastor in today's polarized climate. As they explore the challenges of maintaining unity among a politically diverse staff, they unpack the emotional landscape that accompanies social media interactions. Jess draws from her 18 years of pastoral experience to provide advice on practicing generosity and humility in online discussions, encouraging leaders to approach social media with a spirit of peace and understanding. Whether you're a seasoned pastor or simply curious about the dynamics of church leadership today, this episode offers a safe space to reflect on the struggles and hopes of church leaders seeking to be faithful witnesses amidst division.  In this episode, Jenny and Jess discuss:  The critical role that social media plays in contemporary church leadership, examining how it influences communication and community engagement The necessity of proactive conversations about social media policies with church staff  The challenges church staff may face when attempting to separate personal beliefs from organizational identity Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.

In this episode on our Leap of Faith Movie Conversations segment, podcast host Jenny Steele and Leap of Faith movie participant Rev. Joan VanDessel process what they learned in the filming process, how they experienced the Holy Spirit's movement throughout, and what it looks like for humility and mystery to play an integral role in our faith journeys.  As Joan and Jenny navigate themes of trust, community, and the necessity of leaving space for the unexpected, listeners are invited to reconsider their own faith practices and the beauty of engaging with others who may hold different views.  Tune in for an engaging conversation that challenges us to embrace the unknown, cherish the deep bonds formed through shared experiences, and celebrate the diverse ways God moves among us. In this episode, Joan and Jenny discuss:  The impact of Joan's role as a pastor in the film and her experiences navigating difficult conversations about LGBTQ inclusion How Joan's faith shapes her interactions with pastors who hold differing convictions The profound questions that arise when we recognize we worship the same God, despite our difference  Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website.

What if the political unrest we see today is deeply connected to how we process grief? In this episode, hospital chaplain and author J.S. Park joins us to explore the profound and often overlooked intersection of grief and politics. He draws on his experience in trauma care to challenge the hustle culture that pushes us to move on quickly and urges us to create space for lament in our communities.    In this episode, Michael and J.S. Park discuss: The ancient roots of grief suppression and its impact on modern society How grief can serve as a guide and anchor in political movements Practical ways to cultivate sacred spaces for grief amidst the demands of daily life   Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter. Follow J.S. Park on Instagram–@jspark3000. You can find more information about his work and book "As Long As You Need" here.

We have exciting news! The Colossian Forum is featured in an upcoming movie by filmmaker Nicholas Ma. In this episode, we dive deep into the making of the poignant movie Leap of Faith, which hits theaters this fall. Jenny, the project manager for the movie, speaks with Michael Gulker, president of the Colossian Forum and a key partner in the movie, about his journey of vulnerability throughout the filming process. In this series, our aim is to introduce you to the incredible pastors featured in the film, exploring their unique gifts, struggles, and the profound ways they bridge differences within their communities. Whether you've seen the film and want to connect more deeply with its subjects or you're a Christian leader grappling with institutional challenges, this podcast is designed to offer hope and inspiration. Discover the behind-the-scenes dynamics, the emotional highs and lows, and the transformative impact of this project as Michael and Jenny recount their experiences.  Tune in for a heartfelt conversation that promises to deepen your understanding of the film and inspire you to stay engaged in the work of hope and reconciliation. In this episode, Michael and Jenny discuss:  The personal and organizational challenges and complex dynamics Michael and the pastors faced in the filming of the movie What it means to embody and practice the principles of love and reconciliation in complex and challenging contexts How the project illustrated that imperfections are integral to the journey toward reconciliation and understanding  Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter. To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's website. 

Americans are bad at grieving. As a society, we try our best to move past pain quickly and remove any reminders of it. In this episode, author and therapist Dieula Previlon suggests that hope and healing for our relationships and our nation in this political climate will only come when we slow down, tell stories, and lament our collective trauma together. Passionate about empowering people to heal from trauma, find their purpose, and flourish in their daily lives, Dieula invites us to ask the questions, "What happened to you? What happened to us?"    In this episode, Michael and Dieula discuss:  What it means to be trauma-informed and how that helps you be present to others in the midst of conflict  How the story of Hagar in scripture challenges us to humbly refrain from always having an answer for hard questions Practical tips and wisdom to equip Christian leaders to hold space for grief and hope in their communities   Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. If you'd like to recieve a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  Follow Dieula Previlon on Instagram–@dieulamprevilon. You can find more information about her book "Does God See Me?" here.

In the midst of conflict and disagreement, Christians have a history of talking about big ideas and beliefs rather than "experiencing" them. In this episode, author and therapist Aundi Kolbert joins us and compassionately reminds us what she's always reminded her readers: Until we feel safe in our bodies, we won't be able to healthily address conflict with others. To begin transformative work on the big tensions we face in this world–familially, institutionally, ecclesially, or nationally–we first need to get small and address the personal, hidden layer of attachment and embodiment trauma we have experienced and continue to experience.    In this conversation, Michael and Aundi discuss:  Why it's hard to remain present and embodied in the current ecclesial atmosphere  Our tendency to want to eliminate people in our circles who hold different beliefs than us  How we build distress tolerance by first learning to approach conflict on a smaller scale   Follow The Colossian Forum on Instagram or Facebook–@colossianforum. We'd love to keep you in the loop on TCF resources and events! If you'd like to recieve a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our newsletter.  Follow Aundi Kolbert on Instagram–@aundikolber. You can find more information about her books "Strong Like Water" and "Try Softer" here.

The Colossian Forum is launching a new podcast. Hear from Ashlee Eiland and Tanner Smith about why we're starting this project and what you can expect. 

Throughout history, Christians have committed themselves to a "way of life" or rule of life at various times. Often, these rules of life were created as an effort to remain faithful to Christ in the midst of really challenging times. A rule of life is simply a commitment to live your life in a certain way—with some goal in mind. To live on purpose so that you can become the kind of person you long to become—and stay that person, even when things get hard.  The goal of The Colossian Forum is to invite Christians to embrace a way of being, a way of life in the midst of these challenging times that we're currently experiencing. We long to see Christians think, pray, and act like Christ in the midst of our deepest disagreements. We do this by helping Christians imagine a hopeful future where difference doesn't have to mean despair. We not only paint a picture of what could be, but we offer concrete practices to help live it out. That's the essence of a rule of life: A vision of where you want to go, and practices to help you get there.