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Psych Tech @ Work
by Charles Handler
Science 4-Hire is now Psych Tech @ Work! - a podcast about safe innovation at the intersection of psychological science, technology, and the future of work.Psych Tech @ Work promotes safe technological innovation and human/machine partnerships as an essential force in creating equilibrium and between psychology and commerce. Maintaining this balance in a time of unprecedented change is essential for ensuring that the future of work is ethical, positive, and prosperous. Creating such a future requires an unprecedented level of interdisciplinary collaboration. With the goal of educating, engaging, and inspiring others through thoughtful and practical discussions with guests from a wide variety of backgrounds and specialties, Psych Tech @ Work provides a smorgasbord of food for thought and practical takeaways about the issues that will make or break the future of work! charleshandler.substack.com
Episodes
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Calling All TA Leaders: Success Requires Embedded Science
“We need to have rigor adjusted for reality.” — Allie Wehling Episode Overview I am lucky to be joined by my friend Allie Wehling. I consider Allie a superstar. She has achieved what I call the gold standard for internal I/Os. Allie is a rare example of having an I/O helping guide the business of...
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You're Not Losing Your Job to AI. You're Handing It Over.
“If you automate chaos you get chaos at scale.” — Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic Episode Overview In this episode I’m joined for a third time by Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic — organizational psychologist, author, and now the first Chief Science Officer at Russell Reynolds Associates, one of the world’s top...
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AI Hiring Law: What Changed While You Weren't Looking?
“The way the law is working — the Workday case is exhibit A here — is that vendors are going to be on the hook if their systems are producing biased outcomes. Period.” — Marc Weinstein Episode Overview In this episode I’m joined by Marc Weinstein, an attorney with 27+ years of practice focused on...
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You Bought the AI. So Why Aren't You Using It?
“You buy the hiring platform, and then you don’t have these AI workflows enabled... here you are three, four years later. You’re still not able to do that.” — Nicole Mundy Episode Overview In this episode I’m joined by Nicole Mundy, Senior Research Analyst at Talentech Labs — a research and...
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“The answer isn’t more AI — it’s better signal.”
In this episode I’m joined by Robert Newry, Founder & CEO of the assessment company Arctic Shores and long time champion of doing assessment right! Robert and I (and my AI co-host Mayda Tokens!) dig into one of the most urgent problems in hiring right now: the complete breakdown of traditional...
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Going All In: Using AI to Build Better Assessments
“By the time you dot the final I’s and cross the final T’s, the assessment is already out of date.” — Taylor Sullivan Episode Overview In this episode I’m joined by rising I/O rockstar Taylor Sullivan, IO psychologist and the architect of Workera’s assessment strategy. With Taylor’s guidance...
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Quality Research Shows the Real Impact of AI @ Work
Quote: “If you know what you’re doing, AI makes you faster. If you don’t, it just makes you wrong faster.” –Louis Hickman In this episode I’m joined by esteemed Psych Tech @ Work, Alumnus and AI research machine, Louis Hickman. Our incredible conversation taps into Louis’ myriad research studies…
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The Truth About AI Based Talent Assessment
“The rules haven’t changed. The technology has — but the rules haven’t.” — Nathan Mondragon Episode Overview In this episode, I’m joined by my old friend (and now co-worker!) Nathan Mondragon, an IO psychologist and long-time leader in creating the future at the intersection of assessment…
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Why Recruiting Tech is (Still) Not Helping Candidates and How to Fix It
“There’s this massive imbalance between the employer side of the recruiting equation where they’ve got all the tech, they’ve got all the weapons… Candidates don’t have anything.” –Doug Berg In this episode, I’m joined by Doug Berg, head matcher and big kahuna at Match2, a longtime builder and...
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AI Education, Personalized Learning, and the Future of Work
TL;DR AI literacy is becoming a baseline skill. This episode explores how organizations and individuals are actually building AI capability at work, with a focus on: * Self-directed learning and AI education at scale * Personalized learning journeys versus one-size-fits-all training * The shift...
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Jobs, Security, and Survival: Is Universal Basic Income in our Future?
Conrad Shaw “So much of the labor market is driven by desperation. UBI shifts that. People can actually hold out for what they’re worth or for work that aligns with who they are.” — Conrad Shaw Conrad is perhaps the most unique guest I have had in the 5 year history of this show and he is on to...
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You Can’t Microwave Skills Based Hiring! Here’s the Five Star Recipe!
“You can’t implement skills-based hiring by flipping a switch. It’s about changing mindsets, systems, and the language your organization uses to describe talent.” -Ashley Wallvoord In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, me and my AI co-host, Mayda Tokens, welcome fellow I/O psychologist (and LSU...
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How to Prepare for the Future of Hiring NOW!— Lessons from Two Decades of HR Tech Research
Quote: “When this all started (generative AI for the masses), the fear was ‘this is cheating.’ Now we’re flipping the conversation and saying, no — this is actually a skill set you need to develop.” -Madeline Laureno In this episode I welcome Madeline Laurano, Founder of Aptitude Research and one...
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AI Adoption is a Human Problem, Not a Tech Problem
“Most firms that are using AI are saving two to four hours per week per employee. That’s not transformative. That’s just doing the same thing faster.” -Alexis Fink Introduction In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, Mayda Tokens (my AI co-host) and I sit down with Alexis Fink, I-O psychologist,...
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Overcoming Obstacles to AI Adoption Through Creative Play
“The problem with AI adoption isn’t just technical—it’s emotional. Creativity lowers the barrier of fear, and that opens the door to skill building.” – Jimmy Lepore Hagan Newsflash! After a much needed hiatus- Psych Tech @ Work is back with a vengeance! During the break I have been heads down in…
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Creativity Is the Gateway to AI Transformation
My creative experience building an AI podcast co-host says it all. Hear all about it on the next episode of the Psych Tech @ Work Podcast - coming soon! AI skills are essential but daunting AI adoption is accelerating—over 70% of companies report they’re actively integrating AI tools into their...
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Scaling AI Innovation for Hiring: Lessons from the Frontlines
Guest: Christine Boyce, Global Innovation Leader at ManpowerGroup/Right Management “We have to stress-test innovation in the messiness of real-world hiring, not just ideal lab conditions.” -Christine Boyce In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, I’m joined by my longtime friend Christine Boyce,...
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Responsible AI In 2025 and Beyond – Three pillars of progress
"Part of putting an AI strategy together is understanding the limitations and where unintended consequences could occur, which is why you need diversity of thought within committees created to guide AI governance and ethics." – Bob Pulver My guest for this episode is my friend in...
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The Reality of Skills-Based Hiring Rests on Three Essential Pillars- with Jason Tyszko
“We have to move beyond the idea that a skills-based job description is enough—there needs to be validation, assessment, and a clear pathway for job seekers to prove their abilities.” -Jason Tyszko In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, I sit down with Jason Tyszko, Senior Vice President of the…
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Are These 4 AI Mistakes Sabotaging Your Talent Strategy?
In our recent LinkedIn Live session my esteemed colleague, Neil Morelli, founder of Workplace Labs, and I present a philosophical but practical approach to the adoption of HR Tech tools. Check out the full video of the presentation attached to this post and our accompanying slides (found at the...
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Recruiting Tech’s Past, Present and Future- W/Jeff Taylor: OG, Founder @ Monster.com & Boomband
"The hiring industry is at a breaking point—AI is putting pressure on old systems that were never designed for this level of automation." –Jeff Taylor In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, I am joined by Jeff Taylor, serial entrepreneur and founder of Monster.com, & Boomband a revolutionary new...
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AI’s Role in Redefining the Future of Psychometric Assessments (and Hiring)
“The future of assessments is about customization at scale. AI allows us to generate and adapt assessments in real-time, making them more relevant to specific job roles.” –Ben Williams Introduction: In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, I sit down with Ben Williams, Managing Director of Sten 10…
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What does AI know about Skills Based Hiring? Listen and find out!
“We need global standards to define and verify skills, or we’ll be left with confusion and inconsistency across industries.” -Notebook LM’s Deep Dive Podcast Hosts Skills based hiring is all the rage, and so is AI. So what happens when you mix the two? In this special edition of Psych Tech @…
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Bridging Leadership, Psychological Safety, and Technology with Alison Eyring
“Technology should enable human connection, not replace it.” —Alison Eyring Introduction In this episode, I’m joined by my friend Alison Eyring, an IO psychologist with decades of experience in the realm of global leadership and talent development and the founder of Produgie. I have known Alison...
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Deconstructing Jobs in the Age of AI: Skills, Work Redesign, and The Future of Work
"AI isn’t replacing people—it's augmenting them. The people who know how to use AI will replace those who don’t: "Redesigning jobs is about understanding which tasks humans excel at and which tasks AI can handle—then finding the perfect balance." Guest: Sania Khan * Labor Economist, founder of...
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Understanding Cultural Agility in Global Work Environments
"The most important competency for success in global assignments? Humility—being willing to learn how to succeed in a new cultural context." * Paula Caligiuri Paula is THE expert in this realm! In this episode, I welcome Paula Caligiuri, a renowned expert in cross-cultural psychology and global...
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Success in Talent Acquisition = Foundation First, Tools Second- w/Linda Brenner
"Hiring is broken not because of a lack of tools, but because we lack a disciplined, strategic approach. Technology only works when we have the right foundation." –Linda Brenner * In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work, I welcome my long time friend and collaborator Linda Brenner for some straight...
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LLMs, Talent Assessments, & Hiring- Research Meets Practice
"We’re generating assessments faster than ever, but our real test is ensuring that these tools are fair and reliable across diverse candidate groups." –Louis Hickman In this episode I welcome my friend, super dad, and ex- professional wrestler Louis Hickman for a killer conversation about the ins...
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Skills Validation & Skills Based Hiring: What Work Can Learn from Edtech
Meghan: "Skills are the driver of the future of work. Without validation, there’s no trust, and without trust, you can’t make decisions based on skills." In this episode of Psych Tech @ Work I welcome my new friend Meghan Raftery who is an Education Designer and skills validation expert who works...
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Executing a skills based hiring program: Tales from the frontlines
"The real challenge isn't just defining skills, but creating a system where hiring criteria and performance criteria align—where your hiring approach is integrated into your company’s everyday operations." —Matthias Schmeisser Summary: In this episode of "Psych Tech @ Work," I am joined by…
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Reframing the Psychology of Work: Building Engagement Through Social Leadership
"In the absence of trust, people will disengage. No amount of technology or process can replace the human need for belief and belonging." -Julian Stodd This episode is a must listen for those looking to expand their ideas about leadership, technology, and the psychology of work! In this episode…
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Skills Validation & the Future of Skills Based Hiring. With Greg Gasperlin, Co-founder of Merify
“The challenge isn’t just identifying skills, but ensuring the data is validated, diverse, and reflective of real-world performance." Greg Gasperin Summary: My guest for this episode is Greg Gasperin, CEO and Co-Founder of Merify, a skills data verification platform. Greg and I discuss the future...
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Balancing Responsible Innovation & AI Based People Systems: w/Eric Sydell, co-founder of Vero AI
"It's about selling objectivity, not just science. We need to make sense of the vast data around us to help businesses make better decisions." -Eric Sydell Summary: In this episode of "Psych Tech @ Work," my long time friend Eric Sydell, IO psychologist, genius, and co-founder of Vero AI, joins…
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Don’t believe the hype about Neurodiversity/Neurodivergence: Nancy Doyle sets the record straight
"It's important to understand that disability is contextual. One can be both enabled and disabled by their neurodivergence depending on the environment and the task at hand."-Nancy Doyle "The way we diagnose and support neurodivergence needs to evolve. We're still using outdated models that don't...
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How to Kick off an Exciting Career in IO Psychology with Brando and Joe
"It’s important to be a sponge when you're early in your career. Pick up pieces of what everybody else is doing that looks like it's working, and if it doesn't work, then you learn and grow from it." Brandon Sulzberg "Having an open mind early in your career can lead you to discover new interests...
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Organizational Justice Theory and Fairness in the Workplace. With Stephen Gilliland
"Organizational justice is about ensuring that every individual feels they are treated fairly and with respect in all aspects of their work. It’s not just about the outcomes they receive, but how those outcomes are decided and communicated. Fair processes and respectful treatment are fundamental…
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AI, Skills based hiring, digital transformation and the future of recruiting: With Matt Alder
"Skills-based hiring isn't just removing a degree requirement from a job description. It takes a long time and serious commitment to see it through." -Matt Alder Summary: My guest for this episode is Matt Alder, podcaster, author, consultant and futurist This is an exciting episode because it...
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EEOC Commissioner Keith Sonderling’s Take on Government Regulation in the Age of AI
"From the EEOC's perspective, whether an employment action, employment decision is made by a human or an algorithm, liability is going to be the same for those companies." "AI tools really have the ability to prevent discrimination, but at the same time, they have the ability to discriminate more...
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How Psychology, HR Technology, and Investment are Shaping the Future of Work
"Everything really starts with the customer. It's not just about having a technology, but understanding the problem you're solving." -George LaRoque Summary: In this episode, George LaRocque, a leading HR technology analyst, investor and the founder of Work Tech- the #1 source of truth around...
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The Journey from IO Psychologist to HR Leader: Mastering the Business of People
In this episode I welcome JP Elliot, HR and Talent Executive & Host of the Future of HR Podcast. JP Elliott is a forward-thinking global human resources executive with extensive experience implementing human capital initiatives that drive business results, improve organizational performance, and...
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The psychological impact of tech in the workplace: A simple matter of trust
Quote: We talk about the effect of technology on everything, but ultimately, it's the people that matter." This theme has shown up repeatedly, emphasizing that technology doesn't have uniform effects; we have to consider the psychology of implementation, how it's used, and its context. Summary:...
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Crafting the Future of Ethical AI in the Workplace with Matt Scherer
"Legislation... has not kept up with the pace of technological advancements, posing significant challenges for ensuring fairness in AI-driven hiring processes." -Matt Scherer Summary: In this episode of "Science 4-Hire," I welcome Matt Scherer, Senior Policy Counsel for Workers' Rights at the...
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Chatbots & Generative AI in Recruitment: A Deep Dive with Martyn Redstone of pplbots
In this episode of Science 4-Hire, I welcome my new friend Martyn Redstone, founder of pplbots and a pioneering force in the intersection of conversational AI and recruitment technology. We have a fun and meaningful conversation about the evolution of chatbots and the role of generative AI in the...
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Ethics by Design: Responsible AI is Blueprint, not a Band-aid
"This AI piece and all the ethics and governance and everything that goes around that... it really warrants a dedicated role and some specific communities focused on AI ethics and risks." Bob Pulver: Founder of Cognitive Path Summary: My guest for this episode is Bob Pulver, a seasoned expert in...
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LLAMA, LLAMA- How to Avoid Generative AI Drama!
“So most of the world is made up of full stack application developers who build software for anything from HRIS to accounting, to supply chain, and what have you? For those people to easily add generative AI capabilities into their applications while remaining in compliance with the security,...
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Talent Acquisition Excellence - A Reality Check
"There is no one way to do recruitment right, there are many ways to do it right but even more ways to do it badly." -Bas van de Haterd "The reality is that we're in an era of experimentation. We have to experiment continuously." -Kevin Wheeler Summary: In this episode of Science 4-Hire I welcome...
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Hired by a Hologram? The future of talent evaluation will be wild. With Georgi Yankov, Principal Research Scientist at DDI
“I really see the technology as a driver of user friendliness of assessment in the future and because people don't have time anymore to sit down for many hours and do writing samples and take personality tests of 300-500 questions.” -Georgi Yankov Summary: In this forward-looking episode of…
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Mastering Content Marketing in the AI Era: What every professional needs to know!
Mary Ellen Slayter: "AI is a race to the middle. Generative AI content is, by my definition, mediocre." In this episode I take a bit of a departure from the world of hiring to talk with my long time friend, Mary Ellen Slayter, the founder of Reputation Capital, a top notch digital content…
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Vegemite, Stroopwafles, and AI based assessments: New sensation, or acquired taste?
"Personnel selection is shaking on its foundations. Lots of the assessments that we have, that we do, suddenly we're not quite sure if they're still as effective.” “I feel as if now it's starting to become the responsibility of organizations who are hiring to make sure that people are using it...
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Building Digital Coaches Using AI and Psychology: With Dr. Matt Barney
“When GPT 3.5 came out. I was like, oh my gosh, we don't need to train the AI anymore! We just need to prime it. It's so similar to psychology! Instead of programming and language, we'd do it in English.” In this episode of Science 4-Hire, I chew the digital fat with Dr. Matt Barney, founder and...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Science 4-Hire is now Psych Tech @ Work! - a podcast about safe innovation at the intersection of psychological science, technology, and the future of work.Psych Tech @ Work promotes safe technological innovation and human/machine partnerships as an essential force in creating equilibrium and between psychology and commerce. Maintaining this balance in a time of unprecedented change is essential for ensuring that the future of work is ethical, positive, and prosperous. Creating such a future requires an unprecedented level of interdisciplinary collaboration. With the goal of educating, engaging, and inspiring others through thoughtful and practical discussions with guests from a wide variety of backgrounds and specialties, Psych Tech @ Work provides a smorgasbord of food for thought and practical takeaways about the issues that will make or break the future of work!
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