Renew the Arts Podcast

Michael is joined for the second part of his conversation with Chase Tremaine about AI. This time they delve into some of the tendencies of over-reliance on technology, and the ways that affects and disrupts human creation. They then explore Chase’s three rules of thumb for using (or not using) AI, especially as it relates to artistic creation. Chase also mentions his upcoming single, “More Changed than Changing” in this episode. It would mean a lot to us if you would pre-save it (https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/chasetremaine1/more-changed-than-changing) and check it out when it releases. LINKS Porchlight Festival RSVP (https://porchlight.art/festival/) Transhumanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism) On the Technology of the Book (Episode 75) (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/rich-kid-syndrome-and-the-decadent-empire-of-ai/) OpenAI’s Evolution from Non-Profit to For-Profit (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/28/openai-for-profit-restructuring) Second-Screen Media Shifts at Netflix (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/jan/17/not-second-screen-enough-is-netflix-deliberately-dumbing-down-tv-so-people-can-watch-while-scrolling) Suno Liability Waiver Terms of Service Analysis (https://blog.startupstash.com/suno-terms-of-service-analysis-protecting-copyrights-amid-ai-music-innovation-3fb8b590a1d0) Streaming/iTunes vs. Actual Popularity (https://joelgouveia.substack.com/p/1-million-monthly-listeners-12-tickets) Scottish Psalter (1564) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Psalter_(1564))  

Chase Tremaine joins Michael to discuss recent developments in AI news, as LLMs and Machine Learning have begun to touch on most every aspect of our lives. Is AI inevitable, or is its bubble ready to burst? LINKS AI IPOs and the Bubble (https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/ai-led-boom-ipos-raises-123807445.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANwQNnbJSMoZDbbgAzNPNKE_HKntMTw5TGFcEMS7ijOVUOFX9jAAcwhaUJ7zKL69NugKldqXCmKJEFnj97IptE8FkjSJ3ksniPnTkKU0SG73ww8r-2Aqa56ViYIMfypqw_T9UAUIJBif2Tjr6lddQGze3G10UguJd18EB0fRBLZX) Debt Margin at Record High (https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2026/07/20/margin-debt-finra-june-2026) Difference Between LLMs and Machine Learning (https://www.neuralconcept.com/post/ml-vs-llm-key-differences-applications-engineering-impact) Suicides Aided by Chatbots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots) ROI on AI Implementation (https://www.fullstack.com/labs/resources/blog/generative-ai-roi-why-80-of-companies-see-no-results) Data Center Watch (https://www.datacenterwatch.org/) Anthropic Resists Using AI for Surveillance and War (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg3vlzzkqeo) AI and Government Surveillance (https://www.meritalk.com/articles/fbi-counting-on-ai-to-find-the-needle-in-the-haystack/) AI Psychosis and Addiction (https://www.npr.org/2026/01/20/nx-s1-5591473/ai-delusions-spiral-support-group-chatgpt) MIT Study on Cognitive Impact of Using ChatGPT (https://www.brainonllm.com/) Impact of Hyper-Scaling Data Centers on Water (https://www.ceres.org/resources/reports/drained-by-data-the-cumulative-impact-of-data-centers-on-regional-water-stress?utm_source=google-ad-grant&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=ceres_evergreen_keywords&utm_term=googleadgrant&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=15876522884&gbraid=0AAAAADlebsJSBsWOsRL_L_07fU6bpx8No&gclid=Cj0KCQjw94bTBhDQARIsAN3vv0wUwIvQtxaX6qGX7MkQi0aFC-auDlduBQEi6dibmbHHEay118LMEy8aAtX_EALw_wcB) Were Poor Quinoa Consumers in Areas Who Grow It Worse Off? (https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/03/31/472453674/your-quinoa-habit-really-did-help-perus-poor-but-theres-trouble-ahead) OpenAI Financial Leak (https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-openai-financials/) OpenAI ChatGPT Device (https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/14/openais-first-hardware-device-is-reportedly-a-screenless-speaker-that-can-move/) “Mind Demons” in AI (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-digital-self/202403/quantum-weirdness-and-the-mind-demons-of-ai) Meta Employee Keystroke Surveillance (https://www.wired.com/story/meta-accidentally-let-employees-access-each-others-keystroke-data/) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/us/) South Korea’s Chip Stock Drop (https://stocktwits.com/news-articles/markets/equity/korea-focused-koru-etf-dips-on-kospi-drag-samsung-sk-hynix-extend-selloff-into-us-big-tech-earnings-week/cZZLrtnR7Mr) Australia’s New AI Laws (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jul/23/openai-anthropic-australia-ai-regulation)  

Michael is joined by songwriter and songwriting teacher Aryn Michelle to discuss both her new songwriting textbook, Play Shape Create, and her new album, Bloodline, set to release in July. Stay tuned at the end to hear Aryn Michelle’s “Upper Hand (Tamar) (https://open.spotify.com/track/21g5jFPgHyfKOcgLqNcv3B?si=128de0d5973a4f13)” from Bloodline. LINKS Play Shape Create: The Joyful Art of Songwriting (https://www.amazon.com/Play-Shape-Create-Joyful-Songwriting/dp/1967262225), by Aryn Michelle Calhoun Aryn Michelle discography (https://www.arynmichelle.com/music/)  

Michael is joined by long-time friend and Renew the Arts Creative Director, Rusty Hein, for a different take on AI and related topics. LINKS Chatbot Thinks Upside-Down Cup is Prank (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3fYiLXVfPa4) Steve McDonald (artist who collaborates with AI) (https://www.instagram.com/stevedmcdonald) Elon Musk on AI surgeons (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1916573094367625556) Audiofeed Music Festival 2026 (https://audiofeedfestival.com/) Porchlight Festival Save the Date! (https://porchlight.art/festival)

Michael continues his exploration of AI and its impact on the arts, discussing why he has hope the AI revolution will produce positive unintended consequences for artists of integrity and discipline. LINKS Iain McGilChrist, The Master and His Emissary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_His_Emissary) Chatbot Thinks Upside-Down Cup is Prank (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3fYiLXVfPa4) Ep 69 on Exploited Art (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/exploited-art-propaganda-pornography-pomp-and-product/) “Has God Really Called You to be an Artist? (https://renewthearts.org/has-god-really-called-you-to-be-an-artist/)” The Guardian, “How Hollywood writers triumphed over AI” (https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/oct/01/hollywood-writers-strike-artificial-intelligence) On Franchise Fatigue (https://medium.com/@chiliflake/nostalgia-bait-and-franchise-fatigue-how-hollywood-manufactures-longing-dbb643a7bdf1) Six-Song Country Mashup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY8SwIvxj8o) Christianity Today, “The Current No. 1 Christian Artist Has No Soul” (https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/11/solomon-ray-ai-christian-music-soul-singer/) 87% of Music Producers Use AI (https://www.landr.com/ai) 75% of Film Production Executives Cut Costs with AI (https://wifitalents.com/ai-in-the-movie-industry-statistics/) Audiofeed Music Festival 2026 (https://audiofeedfestival.com/) Porchlight Festival Save the Date! (https://porchlight.art/festival)

Michael begins the 2026 season of the Renew the Arts podcast with an exploration of the benefits and costs of technology, the history of the book, and how the adoption of AI will force humanity into a crisis of meaning and discipline. LINKS Neil Postman, Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology (https://www.amazon.com/Technopoly-Surrender-Technology-Neil-Postman/dp/0679745408) The Homeric Question (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question) dactylic hexameter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dactylic_hexameter) oral tradition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition) John Milton, Paradise Lost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost) Cara Bergeron, “Medieval Memory” (https://classicaldifference.com/medieval-memory/) WCF, Shorter Catechism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Shorter_Catechism) peruse (https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/peruse-usage) as contronym Joshua Foer, Moonwalking with Einstein (https://www.amazon.com/Moonwalking-Einstein-Science-Remembering-Everything/dp/0143120530) Warbler, “America!” music video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPWZch9fGo) Principle of Least Effort (“Rich Kid Syndrome”) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_effort) Second Law of Thermodynamics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics) Malcolm Gladwell, David and Goliath (https://www.amazon.com/David-Goliath-Underdogs-Misfits-Battling/dp/0316204374/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=185689537145&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CPqHFx9A1Kp06D78bcDWde1LMvga5sa-8YEAjBUoN5aeOhFiqabp-49z8ULqbIB8HaOTah2U1SP8JKVjdrNFIl-1zfPGvKw80zc6v9JAUK3UcqKtzHZV6jRHhsWDpxFNCzSo8lDQWAArAikElhexLReCwGWzt1InO499XSVqvx1bhGbnPxtBb6IoULNMOwz2ywsP8ztFS8WXgmAABMwQhmEHpaKPiA_tF_Z_6Wsp0rg.DgRtMuhrw3XZznKNIcZatYd8X-bYFV0mMqrbz6iRbec&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779621993755&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9052933&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=13497645768722275385--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13497645768722275385&hvtargid=kwd-49103790031&hydadcr=15555_13842827_8870&keywords=malcolm+gladwell+david+and+goliath&mcid=0e341c02df7038d7a249032da3544a7e&qid=1774522574&sr=8-1) “Silk Slippers of History” (https://igcpublishing.com/2022/12/20/silk-slippers-of-history/) “Hard Times Hard Men” quote (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8751435-hard-times-create-strong-men-strong-men-create-good-times) Andrew Chow, “ChatGPT May Be Eroding Critical Thinking Skills, According to a New MIT Study” (https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/) (TIME) Pope Leo XIV, “Preserving Human Voices and Faces” (https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/messages/communications/documents/20260124-messaggio-comunicazioni-sociali.html) Matt Shumer, “Something Big is Happening” (https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening) Civilized Creature, “Think I’m Ready” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSC3ZDDwGlg&list=OLAK5uy_k5p6ecXgr3IqByjZAJSnoWwY3KYtFCa6M&index=1)  

Michael answers an international mailbag full of great questions to close out 2025 on the Renew the Arts podcast, including discussions of how Christians should approach non-family-friendly biblical content, what makes art good, baking and cooking as an art, the Holy Spirit’s role in improvisational art as a prayer offering, and much more. Stay tuned at the end for “Spirit Move (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/track/spirit-move),” by Civilized Creature, featuring Isaac Wheadon, from the 2024 album Whose House (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/album/whose-house). Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! LINKS 26k for 2026 Renew the Arts Fundraiser (https://renewthearts.donorsupport.co/page/26Kby2026?fbclid=IwY2xjawOxMWZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeKZ1jlpj-WSNq7z9la6PwtXqJh_ApufObto-MHc7aVvjXGJO2VtXLNDzh3KI_aem_KxWnG6e_TNIrVv9wYqSv0g) Sex ’n Hip-Hop with Sho Baraka (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/sex-n-hip-hop-with-sho-baraka/) Hosea, by Rachel Wilhelm (https://rachelwilhelm1.bandcamp.com/album/hosea) 1:07 — Go Bleep Yourself (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/007-go-bleep-yourself/) The Nothing Human Podcast (first fifteen episodes on Three Powers of the Human Spirit) (https://michaelminkoff.com/nothing-human-podcast/) Sight (2024 Angel Studios Movie) (https://www.angel.com/movies/sight) The Martyr Made Podcast (Daryl Cooper) (https://www.martyrmade.com/) Julianna Schlager (Ballet 5:8) (https://app.porchlight.art/artists/ballet-58) “Fellowship with the Worms,” by Lindsey Priest (https://www.ekstasismagazine.com/poetry/2023/fellowship-with-the-worms) “Forever Overhead,” by David Foster Wallace (https://welcometotheloonybin.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/forever-overhead/) Photay (https://pho-tay.com/) J. Lind, Rotations (https://jlindmusic.bandcamp.com/album/rotations) Kevin Schlereth, Settle In (https://kevinschlereth.bandcamp.com/album/settle-in) Brother James, Be Alive (https://justinjamessinclair.bandcamp.com/album/be-alive) Zane Vickery, “All Things New” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLCrsiJkJAI) Warbler, “America!” [Official Music Video] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPWZch9fGo&list=RDZuPWZch9fGo&start_radio=1) Prayerbook, by Mike Roelofs (https://mikeroelofs.bandcamp.com/album/prayerbook)  

Michael collects together the top five things he thinks churches should communicate to their artists, based on his decades of work in the Christian arts space. One thing you might realize after listening to this episode: these five things should be communicated to pretty much every member of a church. Nonetheless, Michael discusses why artists typically don’t hear or feel these things communicated in most churches. LINKS Two Biggest Lies Christians Believe about the Arts (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/episode-1-two-biggest-lies-christians-believe-arts/) Why Are So Many Christian Artists At Odds With the Church? (https://renewthearts.org/why-are-so-many-christian-artists-at-odds-with-the-church/) Incarnational Evangelism: Preaching the Word to a Words-Weary World (https://michaelminkoff.com/incarnational-evangelism/)

Michael explains the popular dismissal of fiction and the imagination, and explores the edifying uses of fiction for overcoming the limitations of one’s own lived experience and to bypass our natural resistance to the truth. LINKS “Are Sermons Enough to Preach the Whole Counsel of God?” (Part 1 (https://renewthearts.org/are-sermons-enough-to-preach-the-whole-counsel-of-god-part-1-of-2/) and Part 2 (https://renewthearts.org/are-sermons-enough-to-preach-the-whole-counsel-of-god-part-2-of-2/)) “If You Don’t Get Poetry, You Don’t Get the Bible” Ep. 58: Art and the Evangelical Imagination (with Karen Swallow Prior) (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/art-and-the-evangelical-imagination-with-karen-swallow-prior/) The Red Badge of Courage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Badge_of_Courage), by Stephen Crane “Sonny’s Blues,” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny%27s_Blues) by James Baldwin Crime and Punishment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment), by Fyodor Dostoevsky 1984 and Brave New World Compared (https://kudzureviewfsu.com/2024/04/25/fiction-in-tandem-why-1984-and-brave-new-world-should-always-be-read-together/) Demons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demons_(Dostoevsky_novel)), by Fyodor Dostoevsky  

Michael compares and contrasts the great way that seeks first worldly prominence with the little way of the cross, defending and explaining the priority that Renew the Arts has placed on the little things that actually accord with obedience to God. Stay tuned at the end to hear “Love Everybody (https://justinjamessinclair.bandcamp.com/track/love-everybody-2),” a track from Be Alive (https://justinjamessinclair.bandcamp.com/album/be-alive), the just-released new record from Porchlight artist Brother James (https://app.porchlight.art/artists/brother-james). LINKS The Screwtape Letters, Chapter 6 (https://www.thespiritlife.net/81-warfare/warfare-publications/1881-chapter-6-the-screwtape-letters-cs-lewis), by C. S. Lewis Father Zosima on “Active Love (https://www.simchafisher.com/2017/04/18/fr-zosima-on-active-love/),” from The Brothers Karamazov, by Fyodor Dostoevsky Edict of Milan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Milan) Source of Paul Weyrich quote, “The Real Origins of the Religious Right (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/),” by Randall Balmer The Anti-Christ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book)), by Friedrich Nietzsche Ep. 68: “Porchlight at Audiofeed 2025: Mini-Conference on Hospitality” (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/porchlight-at-audiofeed-2025-mini-conference-on-hospitality/) (Renew the Arts Podcast) The Hague School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_School)  

Michael goes solo to talk about exploited art in its four forms: propaganda, pornography, pomp, and product. He discusses why subjecting art to an agenda undermines the powerful purpose of art, and why the church should be the place artists feel most free and empowered to pursue their callings with integrity. LINKS Why Are So Many Christian Artists at Odds with the Church? (article (https://renewthearts.org/why-are-so-many-christian-artists-at-odds-with-the-church/) and podcast (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/008-why-so-many-christian-artists-are-at-odds-with-the-church/)) 12 Years a Slave: History vs. Hollywood (https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/12-years-a-slave.php) Art and the Evangelical Imagination (with Karen Swallow Prior) (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/art-and-the-evangelical-imagination-with-karen-swallow-prior/) “The Sentimentality Trap (https://firstthings.com/the-sentimentality-trap/),” by Benjamin Myers Young People are Having Less Casual Sex … (https://www.businessinsider.com/teens-less-casual-sex-generation-parents-did-2021-3#:~:text=Data%20from%20the%202019%20General,sex%20is%20going%20to%20happen.%22) Frank Zappa Interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0) The Artist and the Problem of Fame (Part 1) (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/the-artist-and-the-problem-of-fame/) Patrons and the Problem of Fame (Part 2) (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/patrons-and-the-problem-of-fame/) Why Art, Like the Gospel, is not a Commodity (https://renewthearts.org/why-art-like-the-gospel-is-not-a-commodity/) On Aquinas and the Four Idols (https://www.sahilbloom.com/newsletter/the-four-idols-money-power-pleasure-fame)  

Join us for a generous sampling of the “Porchlight Mini-Conference on Hospitality” we held on July 6, 2025 at Audiofeed Music Festival (https://audiofeedfestival.com/) in Urbana, Illinois. Featuring presentations from Cary Brege and Michael Minkoff, a host panel on art hosting and hospitality, and a selection from Porchlight artists who performed to close out the day, we hope this episode inspires you to pursue a deeper involvement with the beautiful work of art hospitality. 03:45 — Cary Brege (https://renewthearts.org/behind-the-porchlight-havenwood-hosts-embrace-creativity/), “Hospitality and the Kingdom of God” 30:30 — Michael Minkoff (http://michaelminkoff.com), “Artists: The Church’s Unwanted Gift” 58:19 — Porchlight Host Panel Q&A 1:54:03 — Porchlight Artists Chase Tremaine (https://chasetremaine.com/) / “Carseat (https://chasetremaine.bandcamp.com/track/carseat)” Trailand Eltzroth (https://www.trailandeltzroth.com/) / “Sophia (https://trailandeltzroth.bandcamp.com/track/sophia)” The Local Hang-Ups (https://oldbearrecords.com/project/localhangups/) / “Love Somebody (https://localhangups.bandcamp.com/track/love-somebody-2)” Zane Vickery (https://www.zanevickery.com/) / “Interloper (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLunQxgMN9I)” Make Sure (https://www.instagram.com/makesure.music?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) / “Nuisance (https://vimeo.com/1101730380)” John Van Deusen (https://johnvandeusen.com/) / “Jesus of Nazareth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Ax8f1gQsQ)” LINKS A Kingdom of Tea and Strangers (https://www.labridocumentary.com/watch), full documentary RTA Ep. 66: On “A Kingdom of Tea and Strangers” (with Houston Coley) (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/on-a-kingdom-of-tea-and-strangers-with-houston-coley/)

Michael talks with Ciara Reyes-Ton (https://www.mountcarmell.com/founder) about science, art, and faith. Ciara is a cellular and molecular biologist, singer-songwriter, and founder of Mt. Carmell Worship Collective (https://www.mountcarmell.com/). In this conversation, Ciara talks about her history as a scientist and an artist, and how both science and art interact in the Christian’s spiritual life. Stay tuned to the end to hear “To Become Human (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B5qd7RSqP4),” the first song Ciara wrote at the intersection of faith and science.

Michael is joined by film-maker and YouTuber Houston Coley (https://www.youtube.com/@houston-coley) to discuss Coley’s feature documentary, A Kingdom of Tea and Strangers (https://www.labridocumentary.com/), which follows five strangers as they spend a summer together at English L’Abri. They discuss the film and touch on community, communal art, hospitality, imagination, Christian art, and more. A Kingdom of Tea and Strangers will be available to watch on YouTube on the Art Within channel (https://www.youtube.com/@artwithinofficial) May 10, 2025. Stay tuned to the end to hear “Living Room Song (https://open.spotify.com/track/2BaDq71ev9qSBolFpFvUiL?si=a6391990a2484052),” by Evan Wegner and Áron Szlávik from the documentary soundtrack, Songs from the Shelter (https://www.labridocumentary.com/concept-album).

Michael welcomes Chase Tremaine (https://chasetremaine.com/) to the Renew the Arts podcast to discuss the impact of technology on the way we make and receive art. Just a few generations ago, all art was received communally, with live performances and in-person reception the only possibility. Now, recording technology and internet connectedness has completely transformed the arts. Chase and Michael discuss what this massive shift has meant for us. Technology has certainly benefitted the arts, making it more accessible and attainable, and potentially more democratic. But at the same time, this shift has radically increased the depersonalization and individualism of the arts, both for artist and audience. What have we gained and what have we lost in this almost invisible shift, and what can we do to counteract the inherent obstacles in our advancements? How do we go about one anothering in an age that has made all of us individually feel other? Stay tuned at the end to hear “Sing for Me,” by Chase Tremaine, a track available for download exclusively on Chase Tremaine’s Friend’s Club (https://friends.chasetremaine.com/).

Michael returns for the 2025 RTA podcast season with an offering of three word-pictures for patrons and artists. First, “Space Station Christianity” seeks to answer the question, “Are the arts and beauty actually essential?” Second, “Antibiotic vs. Probiotic Culture” seeks to show the distinction between Culture War and Culture Care. Finally, “Miniature for Scale” frames some advice for making art about larger-than-life realities. We hope these word-pictures help to clarify your relationship to the arts as we delve this season into “flourishing” with the arts. Stay tuned until the end to hear “Brother Please,” (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/track/brother-please) from the single America! (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/album/america), by Warbler. Many thanks again to Ryan Lane of Civilized Creature for providing our theme music for the season, in this case an instrumental version of his track “Spirit Move” (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/track/spirit-move) from the album Whose House (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/album/whose-house). LINKS Kevin Kelly, Out of Control (https://kk.org/mt-files/books-mt/ooc-mf.pdf), pdf Biosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2) “Are Sermons Enough to Preach the Whole Counsel of God?” (Part 1 of 2) (https://renewthearts.org/are-sermons-enough-to-preach-the-whole-counsel-of-god-part-1-of-2/), by Michael Minkoff, Jr. “Are Sermons Enough to Preach the Whole Counsel of God?” (Part 2 of 2) (https://renewthearts.org/are-sermons-enough-to-preach-the-whole-counsel-of-god-part-2-of-2/), by Michael Minkoff, Jr. Noella Marcellino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noella_Marcellino) “Miniatures Add Grand Scale,” (https://theasc.com/magazine/jan04/sub2/index.html) by Simon Gray Mystery and Manners (https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Manners-Occasional-Prose-Classics/dp/0374508046), Flannery O’Connor

For the final episode of this year, join Michael to discuss your questions for a Christmas mailbag episode. Michael answers questions about Kevin Kelly’s “1,000 True Fans Principle,” the difference between pride concerning earned skills and narcissism concerning gifts, how Christians should approach magic in fantasy books and/or movies, what fiction Michael has been reading and why he cares about fiction, and whether or not Christians should buy cheap, plastic Nativity scenes for their yard. Stay tuned at the end for the album version of Civilized Creature’s “Humble and Lowly (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/track/humble-lowly),” off his excellent record Earthen Vessel (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/album/earthen-vessel), released in 2023. LINKS The Technium: 1,000 True Fans, by Kevin Kelly (https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/) Out of Control, by Kevin Kelly (https://www.amazon.com/Out-Control-Biology-Machines-Economic/dp/0201483408) Three Stages of Learning: How to Become a Master (https://renewthearts.org/three-stages-of-learning-how-to-become-a-master/), by Michael Minkoff, Jr. Harry Potter: Natural Law or Supernatural Sorcery? (https://renewthearts.org/harry-potter-natural-law-or-supernatural-sorcery/), by Michael Minkoff, Jr. Sufjan Stevens – Silver & Gold (https://renewthearts.org/sufjan-stevens-silver-and-gold/), review by Justus Stout Here at Last is Love (https://www.amazon.com/Here-Last-Love-Selected-Thompson/dp/1498218105), by Dunstan Thompson 3:10 — Mailbag Season 3 (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/310-mailbag-season-3/) (Go to ~7:15 for discussion of “Piss Christ”) “Bethlehem,” by Annie Dillard (https://thevalueofsparrows.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/advent-meditation-bethlehem-by-annie-dillard/)

Michael discusses narcissism, why it seems so prevalent among artists, and how to address it. Using an excellent podcast from Martyr Made’s Darryl Cooper called “The Underground Spirit (https://www.martyrmade.com/featured-podcasts/the-underground-spirit) (https://www.martyrmade.com/featured-podcasts/the-underground-spirit)” as his jumping-off point, Michael explores Dostoevsky and Nietzsche, the meaning of narcissism, the nature of giftedness, the struggle of prodigies, the isolation of the artist, and the resentment and pride of communities, recommending tools for addressing narcissism and pride in both gifted artists and the communities that include them. Stay tuned at the end for “I Cannot Forget (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/track/i-cannot-forget),” a track from Warbler off of the record Wrestling (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/album/wrestling). LINKS The Underground Spirit (https://www.martyrmade.com/featured-podcasts/the-underground-spirit) (https://www.martyrmade.com/featured-podcasts/the-underground-spirit), on the Martyr Made podcast, by Darryl Cooper The Prodigy, by Amy Wallace (https://www.amazon.com/Prodigy-Biography-William-Americas-Greatest/dp/0525244042) The Nothing Human Podcast (https://michaelminkoff.com/nothing-human-podcast/), by Michael Minkoff, Jr. Atlas Didn’t Shrug and Neither Should We (https://michaelminkoff.com/ricky-bobbys-eternal-christmas-atlas-shouldnt-shrug/), by Michael Minkoff, Jr.

Michael interviews Roy Sneed, a missions specialist who trains cross-cultural workers in the four uses of storytelling for missions and evangelism. With seasoned wisdom and disarming humor, Roy explains his storytelling approach, telling a few of his stories along the way. Stay tuned until the end to hear a track from Physick, “In the Whirlwind,” from the unreleased EP Shoal Creek Valley. Resources: Missions and Oral Preference Learning (from Mission to the World) (https://www.mtw.org/stories/details/ministering-to-oral-cultures-in-the-21st-century) Art and Incarnational Evangelism (https://michaelminkoff.com/incarnational-evangelism/) Are Sermons Enough to Preach the Whole Counsel of God? (Part 1 (https://renewthearts.org/are-sermons-enough-to-preach-the-whole-counsel-of-god-part-1-of-2/) and Part 2 (https://renewthearts.org/are-sermons-enough-to-preach-the-whole-counsel-of-god-part-2-of-2/))

In this promised second part of our podcast on the problem of fame, Michael discusses how an uneven distribution of support in the arts harms patrons, patronage, and communities. He then explores some ways artists and patrons can solve this problem. Stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear “5 Year Town (https://open.spotify.com/track/187FbdIb75wMKG0i0HK5ld?si=be44670777a143a8)” by Jacob Davis Martin (https://open.spotify.com/artist/7C6G03p2coJ5rTYvq2ohE5?si=f4658db757a74d27), from his record Ain’t It All Just Golden (https://open.spotify.com/album/0luWTHb7q1RxJvwmTRgMYS?si=T4fFoewhR3i4iZ4vXo98UQ). You can listen to the first part of this podcast, The Artist and the Problem of Fame (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/the-artist-and-the-problem-of-fame/), here on our website. Jack Conte SXSW 2023 Keynote Address (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUndMfMInc) (Thanks to Carly Taich for recommending this to me!) Sign up as a host or attender at app.porchlight.art (http://app.porchlight.art). No obligation whatsoever to be engaged.

In this first part of two, Michael explores the problem of fame as it relates to artists. What is the problem of fame? How does it negatively affect both successful and unsuccessful artists? Stay tuned until the end to hear “I’ve Found Love in Mississippi” by Porchlight artist Trailand Eltzroth (https://app.porchlight.art/artists/trailand-eltzroth) from his record For My Friends and Family (https://trailandeltzroth.bandcamp.com/album/for-my-friends-and-family). Articles on Inequality of Popularity Among Artists “How Much Money Do Visual or Contemporary Artists Make?” (https://www.contemporaryartissue.com/how-much-money-do-visual-or-contemporary-artists-make/#:~:text=Circa%2085%25%20of%20the%20artists,000%2Fyear.) “Data Shows 90 Percent of Streams Go to the Top 1 Percent of Artists” (https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/top-1-percent-streaming-1055005/) “(Almost) 100% of the Top 25 Worship Songs are associated with just a handful of Megachurches” (https://worshipleaderresearch.com/100-of-the-top-25-worship-songs-are-associated-with-just-a-handful-of-megachurches/) Articles on the Matthew Effect The Matthew Effect (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect) “Experimental Study of Inequality and Unpredictability in an Artificial Cultural Market” (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1121066) “The Benefits of Social Influence in Optimized Cultural Markets” (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4382093/)

Reader, Author, Thinker, and Teacher Karen Swallow Prior (http://karenswallowprior.com) joins Michael for a discussion of her book, The Evangelical Imagination (https://www.amazon.com/Evangelical-Imagination-Stories-Metaphors-Created/dp/1587435756), and particularly, how the ideas of that book apply to the arts. In their wide-ranging conversation, they touch on metaphor, language, fact and fiction, redemption stories, the connection between sentimentality and power, and much more. Stay tuned at the end of the episode to listen to “Don’t I Know?” by Physick, from their record, All the Days (https://physick.bandcamp.com/album/all-the-days). Show Notes: Metaphors We Live By (https://www.amazon.com/Metaphors-We-Live-George-Lakoff/dp/0226468011), by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson The Tree of Life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tree_of_Life_(film)), dir. by Terence Malick “The Answer Man,” from You Like it Darker (https://www.amazon.com/You-Like-Darker-Stephen-King/dp/1668037718), by Stephen King A Good Man is Hard to Find, (https://www.amazon.com/Good-Hard-Find-Other-Stories/dp/0156364654) by Flannery O’Connor Charles Taylor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(philosopher)), philosopher “Christian Nationalism is a Failure of Imagination” (https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-faith/karen-swallow-prior-christian-nationalisms-failure-of-imagination/), by Karen Swallow Prior Politics is Downstream from Culture (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/004-politics-is-downstream-from-culture/), Season 1, Episode 4 of the Renew the Arts Podcast An Experiment in Criticism (https://www.amazon.com/Experiment-Criticism-Canto-Classics/dp/1107604729), by C. S. Lewis On cultivating emotions toward virtue: On Reading Well (https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Well-Finding-through-Great/dp/1587433966), by Karen Swallow Prior On sentimentality and obscenity: “The Nature and Aim of Fiction” from Mystery and Manners (https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Manners-Occasional-Prose-Classics/dp/0374508046), by Flannery O’Connor “The Sentimentality Trap” (https://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/11/the-sentimentality-trap), by Benjamin Myers Connecting with Karen Swallow Prior: karenswallowprior.com (http://karenswallowprior.com) On X: @KSPrior (https://x.com/KSPrior) Sub stack: The Priory (https://substack.com/@karenswallowprior?utm_source=user-menu)

Poet, Author, and Editor Paul J. Pastor (https://www.pauljpastor.com/) joins Michael for a conversation on poetry. From a more general discussion of the uses and benefits of poetry to a more specific exploration of some of Pastor’s favorite poetry, get inspired to explore poetry more deeply. Check out Paul’s work at his website (https://www.pauljpastor.com/). Read the article we referenced (https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2024/may-web-only/pastor-apple-ipad-ad-apology-crush-reality.html) that Paul wrote for Christianity Today about the crushing Apple advertisement. You can also read our article on Biblical Poetry (https://renewthearts.org/if-you-dont-get-poetry-you-dont-get-the-bible/) if you’re interested in digging deeper. Stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear “That’s Why” from the record Insomnie, by Moon Bride (https://themoonbride.com/insomnie) (formerly Carly Taich). Also, if you’re interested in starting a monthly donation, we have a $10,000 matching grant that will double your impact. Find out about that here. (https://renewthearts.donorsupport.co/page/DoubleImpact_2024)

For this episode, Michael is joined by Brian Brown (https://www.anselmsociety.org/people-1/2019/6/9/brian-brown), founder and executive director of the Anselm Society (https://www.anselmsociety.org/), about the importance of the arts in the practice of communal meaning-making. Along the way, they discuss the work and vision of the Anselm Society, the difference between communal and individual experiences of the arts, why art is not gratuitous to human flourishing, what each of us can do to participate in our communities through the arts, and much more. Stay tuned at the end to hear the studio version of our new theme song, “Humble & Lowly,” by Civilized Creature (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/), off of the recently released LP, Earthen Vessel (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/album/earthen-vessel). You can connect with the Anselm Society through their website: https://www.anselmsociety.org/ (https://www.anselmsociety.org/) And be sure to listen to their podcasts: Imagination Redeemed (https://www.anselmsociety.org/redeemedimagination) Believe to See (https://www.anselmsociety.org/believetosee) Also, if you’re interested in starting a monthly donation, we have a $10,000 matching grant that will double your impact. Find out about that here. (https://renewthearts.donorsupport.co/page/DoubleImpact_2024)

In the episode, Michael goes solo to discuss why Christians should develop better taste. Then he goes on to discuss some practical ways that can be achieved. This episode was inspired by an insightful comment from Lisa Hood on episode 49 (“Do Poor People Make Poor Patrons?” (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/do-poor-people-make-poor-patrons/)). Stay tuned at the end for “Infinite Rail (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p56N42z_3Gg),” the first single off of Make Sure’s recently released June (https://ffm.to/makesurejune), available through Tooth & Nail Records and used with permission. You might also be interested in reading “We Sin Because We Have Bad Taste (https://renewthearts.org/we-sin-because-we-have-bad-taste/),” which explores the connection between moral judgment and material discernment.

Michael is looking forward and looking back with Renew the Arts’ former president and current chairman of the board Justus Stout and current president Katy Martin to talk about Justus’ ten-year tenure as president and the challenges and opportunities awaiting Katy in the next season of renewing the arts and liberating Christian creativity. Arts organizations seem to be in a crisis of support. How will Renew the Arts fare differently? Stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear a previously unreleased track from Physick, “The Ballad of the Steady Man,” which celebrates the consistent faithfulness of those who “move mountains one quiet shovel at a time.” Note: Shortly after this podcast went live, Image Journal announced (https://imagejournal.org/2024-image-announcement-good-news/) that, due to a great show of support, Image would not be closing down its operations after all! We’re thankful for this development, and we pray Image continues to widen and deepen its support and its faithfulness in this work.

Worship director and organist Ryanne Molinari joins Michael to discuss her forthcoming book on the relationship between the worship arts (particularly congregational singing) and the fruit of the Spirit. Ryanne discusses how the fruit of the Spirit operates as both the goal and the criteria for “effective” worship. Stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear “Joyful Noise” by Mary Vanhoozer, from her album Jubilate (https://maryvanhoozer.bandcamp.com/album/jubilate). You can follow Ryanne Molinari on instagram (https://www.instagram.com/ryanne_jm/) or on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Ryanne_JM) at this handle: @Ryanne_JM. You can also read her musings (and follow the progress on her book) at her website A Bookish Charm (https://abookishcharm.com/).

Michael invites singer-songwriter Carly Taich and producer Jimmy Smith on to the podcast to discuss what it looks like for Christians to pursue art (in this case, music) within the church as a ministry, a hobby, or a profession. They share personal anecdotes about their various struggles in the professional-ministry space in the church, discuss tent-making and other means of support for artists, and give a clear charge to both artists and non-artists about how to move forward in a market-dominated field. Stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear a rough-mix sneak peak of Carly Taich’s new single, “Prove Me Wrong,” produced by Jimmy Smith and Michael Minkoff. It’s the first single off Carly’s forthcoming record Insomnie, which she is raising money to make. Please check out and support her Kickstarter by clicking here. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/carlytaich/insomnie) Every bit of support makes a difference. If she doesn’t reach her goal by December 1, 2022, she doesn’t get any of it. For Further Reading: On Distinction of Amateur/Professional (https://renewthearts.org/why-todays-best-artists-are-all-amateur/) On Art as a (Non) Commodity (https://renewthearts.org/why-art-like-the-gospel-is-not-a-commodity/)

Abbey and Michael get together to discuss how deconstruction within the church is both fed and addressed by the arts. What exactly do we mean by deconstruction? Why is it so prevalent right now? What does it have to do with the arts? Stay tuned at the end to hear “Oh, Sweetest Name” by John Van Deusen from his record, (I Am) Origami Pt. 4 — Marathon Daze (https://iamjohnvandeusen.bandcamp.com/album/i-am-origami-pt-4-marathon-daze). You might also be interested in checking out “Why Are So Many Artists at Odds with the Church?”, both the blog (https://renewthearts.org/why-are-so-many-christian-artists-at-odds-with-the-church/) and the podcast (https://renewthearts.org/podcast/008-why-so-many-christian-artists-are-at-odds-with-the-church/) episode.

This is the first of a new series for the Renew the Arts podcast, Deep Dive, where we pay very close attention to an entire album or song in all of its parts, from composition to production. In this first of the series, Michael interviews Sean Sullivan, the creative force behind the music of Warbler, about his forthcoming third album, Wrestling. In this double-stuffed episode, they introduce the album, listen through it in its entirety, then talk about it track by track. It’s in-depth and detailed, and we hope it helps you understand a little more all that goes in to the process of making an album like this happen. If you want to get right in to listening to the record, it starts at exactly 19 minutes in to the podcast (right after general introduction to the album). If you’d like to support Sean by purchasing Wrestling by Warbler, it’s currently available on his bandcamp (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/album/wrestling) a couple months before it becomes available worldwide on streaming services. Check that out here (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/album/wrestling).

Abbey Sitterley interviews Michael Minkoff about the historical development and downfall of patronage. What does it mean for Porchlight and Renew the Arts to resurrect the idea of patronage now when its history seems so tied up in elitism? How do we avoid making the mistakes of the past? Stay tuned at the end for a sneak peak at “The Sixth,” a track from the forthcoming record Wrestling, by Warbler.

Michael interviews co-host Abbey Sitterley (Chief Storyteller for Porchlight) about three intentional communities (L’Abri, Bruderhof, and L’Arche) to glean some of what we can learn from their successes and failures. Stay tuned at the end to hear “Naturally,” by Physick, from their album All the Days (https://physick.bandcamp.com/album/all-the-days).

Justus and Michael discuss the motivations and reasoning behind launching the Porchlight Art and Hospitality Network. They then explain the qualities and virtues they hope to draw together and further cultivate in the network. Stay tuned at the end to hear a live rendition of “Face to Face,” by the Local Hang-Ups.

Justus and Michael finish up their conversation on politics and culture with a few days left for election 2020. Stay tuned at the end for “Worry,” off of Warbler’s self-titled record (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/album/warbler-2).

Justus sat down with singer-songwriter Wendell Kimbrough to discuss how the psalms encourage the church to empathy, why we don’t sing them like we used to, and why we need to sing them again. Stay tuned at the end for “The Hand of God (Psalm 82)” from Wendell’s album Come to Me (https://wendellk.bandcamp.com/album/come-to-me).

Justus and Cynthia talk with Alexia Jones, founder of Rise Theater (https://r2isetheatre.org/), about how art made in community can help heal brokenness in pursuit of recovery. Stay tuned at the end for “Dance Hi’s and Lo’s” by Civilized Creature (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/), from the record Steadfast.

Justus and Cynthia interview Chi T. Mathias (https://www.chitmathias.com/), a vocalist, author, speaker, and teacher, who tells her incredible story of overcoming trauma in and through creative expression. Stay tuned at the end for Chi’s single, “Forgiveness.” (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=wdhTjzgDPuQ&list=RDAMVMwdhTjzgDPuQ)

Justus and guest co-host Cynthia Giles (http://creativeactivation.org (http://creativeactivation.org) and http://cynthiasinspirations.com (http://cynthiasinspirations.com)) talk to medical student and aspiring psychiatrist Lydia Jones about making art and staying mentally healthy during the pandemic and after. Stay tuned after the episode to hear “Still,” a new single by Civilized Creature (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/).

Justus sits down with Erik Løkkesmoe, a former DC press secretary and speechwriter who now produces films from his home-base in Nashville, to discuss politics and patronage and how we can contribute to cultural transformation without feeling like we as individuals need to (or even could) move the whole world. Stay tuned at the end for “When There’s a Mountain” by Anthony Quails (https://anthonyquails.bandcamp.com/), from his record Before the Bright Lights.

Justus Stout talks on the phone with Joseph Pensak, main songwriter for the band Hallowell, about his most recent record, his approach to making music, and running a community art gallery. Stay tuned at the end for “Another World” from Hallowell’s self-titled record (https://hallowellmusic.bandcamp.com/).

Your hosts, Justus and Michael, return to launch into this year’s theme at Renew the Arts: Politics and the Arts. In our politics-obsessed climate, cultivating culture can seem like a most ineffective way to affect the future of our polarized nation. Michael and Justus explore the ways that culture precedes and predicts politics. Stay tuned at the end for “Be the Beast,” from Warbler’s Sea of Glass (https://warblermusic.bandcamp.com/album/sea-of-glass).

Justus talked with David Hamilton of RYFO to discuss what David sees as some key ways to heal the apparent divide between artists and the church through better community practices. Stay tuned at the end for “Living Water” by Fuel Music off their EP “The Life.”

Justus and Michael sat down with hip-hop artist Sho Baraka to discuss his work, his latest collaborative album with Vanessa Hill, and why he thinks the Christian community is so squeamish to discuss sex. Stay tuned at the end for the track “Nasty,” from So Many Feelings, by Sho Baraka and Vanessa Hill.

Justus chats on the phone with singer-songwriter John Van Deusen (http://johnvandeusen.com/) to discuss his life as a signed artist with Tooth & Nail Records, his testimony, and expanding the boundaries of what Christians are willing to call hymns. Stay tuned at the end to hear two tracks from John Van Deusen: “All Shall Be Well” from Every Power Wide Awake (https://iamjohnvandeusen.bandcamp.com/album/i-am-origami-pt-2-every-power-wide-awake), and “You Don’t Know What You’re Asking” from A Catacomb Hymn (https://open.spotify.com/album/601b2dRqWuGBNLQUxWkhDI?si=l3gSg3p7ShmnhAXj4hgk9A).

Your hosts Michael and Rusty get you up to date on the back-and-forth that has ensued from former Hillsong singer Marty Sampson’s announcement that he’s losing his faith. Along the way, they discuss John Cooper (of Skillet) and his viral rebuke, truth and feelings, psalms of doubt and lament, and the important role the local community plays in an artist’s spiritual health. Stay tuned until the end to hear “Valley” (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/track/valley-2) by Civilized Creature (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/) off of The Way Back Home.

Justus and Michael talk on the phone with Michael Wright about engaging the arts as a Christian guest in “secular” cultural spaces. As a culture curator who helps develop curriculum resources for Fuller Seminary’s Brehm Center for the Arts, Michael Wright is well-suited to assist newly awakening patrons to develop fruitful practices of appreciation. Stay tuned at the end for “Riverwide (Bendblock Remix)” by Lolo Meares. (mateoandlo.squarespace.com (https://mateoandlo.squarespace.com)) (mattlumpkin.com (https://mattlumpkin.com/)) Things mentioned in the episode:

Justus and Michael meet with author and pastor George Grant in his home in Franklin, Tennessee to discuss the relationship between the Reformed church and the arts. If the Reformed church has very good theological reasons for supporting the arts, why does it seem like there is so much resistance to the arts and artists in Reformed communities?

Your host Justus sits down with singer-songwriter Anthony Quails who shares stories of becoming a sponsored artist, knowing God’s grace through shortcomings, evangelizing in music, and his new album of his most personal songs yet. Stay tuned to the end for the demo of “I Wish That I Was Him” from Anthony’s forthcoming EP The Man I Thought I’d Never Be. Check out his Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/anthonyquails/the-man-i-thought-id-never-be-an-ep) before it ends Saturday, June 29!

Justus sat down with singer-songwriter Derek Webb to discuss his experience in the Christian music industry and how it may have contributed to his loss of faith. Stay tuned at the end for “Wedding Dress” from Webb’s 2003 record She Must and Shall Go Free. We also want to thank Ryan Lane of Civilized Creature (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com) for permission to use “Unexpected Gifts” from his forthcoming record The Way Back Home.

Allison and Michael field your questions about art history, tackling some new material to close out the season. Stay tuned at the end to hear the full version of “Eyes Closed Dance Party (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/track/eyes-closed-dance-party)” off of Permission to Feel by Civilized Creature (https://civilizedcreature.bandcamp.com/). Thank you all for writing in!   “Immersion (Piss Christ)”Andres Serrano1987