RT Dialogue

Welcome to Episode 71 of the RT Dialogue.On this episode we sit down with RT Therapist Laura Matheson who is a bilingual therapist practicing in Renton, WA. Laura is a graduate of the University of Washington (Go Huskies!) where she assisted with the qualitative analysis of a study under Marsha Linehan, the inventor of Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), and picked up a minor in Spanish along the way. She is a graduate of Fuller Theological Seminary where she studied under Dr. Terry Hargrave, and more recently finished RT Level II training with Lance Ahl. In this episode we explored some of the specialties that Lauren is passionate about (i.e. adolescents) while talking about what it's like to go through Level II training. We really enjoyed getting to spend time with Lauren and hear more about the work she is doing. And we definitely put on the pressure for she and her husband to attend the RT Summit coming to Malibu in March of 2027. If you are interested in connecting with Laura, you can email her at mailto:[email protected] in EpisodeThe Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills Workbook RT Therapist Amanda TippsRT Therapist, Dr. Corynne Keirns (RT Dialogue Ep. 66)The Power of Showing Up: How Parental Presence Shapes Who Our Kids Become and How Their Brains Get Wired by Dan Siegel and Tina Payne Bryson Malcolm Gladwell (10,000 hours rule in Outliers)Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise by Anders Ericsson (10,000 deliberate hours)The Way of Excellence: A Guide to True Greatness and Deep Satisfaction in a Chaotic World by Brad Stulberg (Episode 65)

Welcome to Episode 70 of the RT Dialogue -- or the Septuagint episode as referenced in the beginning of the episode. This was a really fun episode as we invited on Dr. David Taylor. Dr. Taylor is a theologian, priest, author, professor, and artist. He is a man who wears many hats and brings to his vocation(s) and this conversation, a long history of varied experience. I would consider him a polymath, and we had a wide-ranging conversation that we eventually ran out of time on. So looking forward to having him back on. Dr. Taylor is an Associate Professor of Theology and Culture at Fuller Theological Seminary, and he first came to my attention in 2017 with the short documentary, Bono & Eugene Peterson | The Psalms. Over the last year I have been very engaged with his Instagram, and would send posts and stories over to Lance. More recently I noticed one of his posts where he talked about a workshop he was doing, EMOTIONS -- The Psalms and the Emotional Vitality of Children and Teens. That workshop along with two of his books, Body of Praise and Open and Unafraid, were catalysts for Lance and I wanting to have him on the podcast. We feel like the theological and psychological work that he is deeply engaged in, makes for a great conversation partner in our work as Restoration Therapy therapists. It was also great to dive deep into theological integration. Dr. Taylor lives south of me a couple of hours in Texas, and so I am hoping our paths cross more in the future, and maybe Lance will have him out to surf in San Diego at some point. Thanks for coming on Dr. Taylor. Mentioned in the Episode Glittering Images by Susan Howatch Starbridge Series by Susan Howatch Unspoken Wisdom: Truths My Father Taught Me by Ray AndersonPiranesi by Susanna ClarkeDietrich BonhoefferCurt Thompson

“Forgiveness is the name of love practiced among people who love poorly. The hard truth is that all people love poorly. We need to forgive and be forgiven every day, every hour increasingly. That is the great work of love among the fellowship of the weak that is the human family.” (Henri Nouwen)Welcome to Episode 69 of the RT Dialogue Podcast.We are thankful that you have joined us for what we believe is a great episode on a topic that has come up a lot in conversation in the Restoration Therapy community -- forgiveness.In this episode we look at the forgiveness model in Restoration Therapy, while exploring different different lenses through which we have approached it.Twice in the last six months, I (Rhett) have presented the Restoration Therapy forgiveness model to ReEngage groups, while also using the handout created by Lance and Jennifer Ahl, where they look at theologian Paul Tillich's relational dynamics of justice, love and power. [Their handout adapted from the Restoration Therapy model developed by Dr. Terry Hargrave can be seen at the RT Dialogue Podcast Substack, Episode 69 -- along with slides Rhett used]Mentioned in the EpisodeExclusion and Embrace: A Theological Exploration of Identity, Otherness, and Reconciliation by Miroslav VolfLove, Power and Justice: Ontological Analyses and Ethical Applications by Paul TillichOur professor, Theologian Dr. Ray Anderson -- specifically the book, The Gospel According to Judas: Is There a Limit to God's Forgiveness? Fuller Studio -- The Gospel According to Judas (Ray Anderson)Mark 5:1-18

Welcome to Episode 68 of the RT Dialogue! This episode came about after a text exchange between us and Michael Piciucco regarding a "core tension" that he has noticed in the conversation around emotional self-regulation and co-regulation -- specifically how these play out in Restoration Therapy and EFT. So we asked him to come on and discuss this. Michael also invited on our good friend Steven Perez as a conversation partner on this topic. I won't say more about the conversation at this point as we really dive into the weeds -- so please tune and check it out.Mentioned in the EpisodeRestoration TherapyEFT and Sue JohnsonHold Me TightThe Prophet (On Marriage) by Kahlil Gibran The Mindful Marriage by Ron and Nan Deal & Terry and Sharon Hargrave On Marriage by Kahlil GibranThen Almitra spoke again and said, Andwhat of Marriage, master?     And he answered saying:     You were born together, and together youshall be forevermore.     You shall be together when the whitewings of death scatter your days.     Ay, you shall be together even in thesilent memory of God.     But let there be spaces in your togetherness,     And let the winds of the heavens dancebetween you.      Love one another, but make not a bondof love:     Let it rather be a moving sea betweenthe shores of your souls.     Fill each other’s cup but drink not fromone cup.     Give one another of your bread but eatnot from the same loaf.     Sing and dance together and be joyous,but let each one of you be alone,     Even as the strings of a lute are alonethough they quiver with the same music.      Give your hearts, but not into eachother’s keeping.     For only the hand of Life can containyour hearts.     And stand together yet not too neartogether:     For the pillars of the temple stand apart,     And the oak tree and the cypress grownot in each other’s shadow.

Welcome to Episode 67 of the RT Dialogue Podcast. We are so thankful to have you joining us on this journey.This is a little bit of a different episode in that we had a master's level student (Dallas Theological Seminary) on the podcast. Justin Metz is currently training in Restoration Therapy, having already completed Level I with Dr. Terry Hargrave this last February, while also completing Relate Strong training at seminary with Dr. Gary Barnes. Justin is on staff at The Marriage Place in Frisco, TX, which is great, since we (Rhett) can meet up for coffee regularly to discuss all things RT. We really were inspired by the interventions that Justin is creating and already using in therapy work, and the way that he and his wife have been leading a Relate Strong group at their church. It's a lot of fun to see the way that varying interventions within the RT community are being built upon and used in different ways -- we see this in Justin as he was inspired by some interventions that Migum Gweon discussed on Episode 34 of this podcast, and Tanner Hargrove's intervention on Episode 26 of this podcast. We think you will especially love his practice of the Pain and Peace Cycle through use of rearview mirror hanging tags...brilliant. And it was insightful to hear how his experience as a ballroom dancer/instructor over the years has informed his couple's work. Enjoy the episode.Mentioned in the EpisodeCrucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High by Joseph Grenny, Kerry Patterson, Ron McMillan, Al Switzler, and Emily GregoryPsalm 40 by U2Athanasian CreedSue Johnson and Dancing the EFIT TangoRearview Mirror Hangers

Welcome to Episode 66 of the RT Dialogue.It was great to have Dr. Corynne Keirnes on this episode. Corynne is a graduate of Fuller Theological Seminary's MFT program, where she studied under Dr. Terry Hargrave. She is a Level II Certified Restoration Therapist, and Assistant Professor of Clinical Psychology at Vanguard University where she teaches classes and trains students. She and her husband Cameron are also the founders of New Horizon Integrative Therapy in the Denver, CO area. We love that there is another professor at a university teaching students about Restoration Therapy, and helping them practice the model. Her love for intensives is also really exciting, and something we dive into in this episode.Mentioned in the EpisodeWhole Brain Child: 12 Revolutionary Strategies to Nurture Your Child's Developing Mind by Dan Siegel and Tina Payne Bryson

Welcome to Episode 65 of the RT Dialogue.We were so excited that Brad Stulberg agreed to come on our podcast and discuss his latest book, New York Times Bestseller, The Way of Excellence: A Guide to True Greatness and Deep Satisfaction in a Chaotic World. Brad is the author of four books, and it was his 2017 book, Peak Performance that introduced me to his work (Rhett), and led me to start jotting down notes in the pages (i.e. pain cycle, peace cycle, 4 steps, etc.) of his work that reminded me a lot of the process of change in Restoration Therapy. In 2001 I fell in love with his book (Rhett) The Practice of Groundedness and was passing it out to executives that I was coaching as they were trying to lead organizations through COVID. Brad writes, speaks, coaches, and is on faculty at the University of Michigan's graduate faculty of Public Health. He is also the co-founder of the Growth Equation with Steve Magness. As I share in the podcast, Brad's superpower is that he reads all the important work, takes all of that information and knowledge, and knows how to synthesize and convey it in simple, easy to understand writing. It’s a gift. And every time I’ve read one of his books, I think to myself, “this is the book I wish I could have written."Brad's latest book covers a lot about the importance of mastering one's craft, and moving away from performative behavior towards deep connection and transformation -- all things that we feel are important about the work and practice of Restoration Therapy -- both as a model, and as a community. Thanks for coming on the podcast Brad, we really enjoyed our time with you on and off the air. Mentioned in the EpisodePeak Performance Passion Paradox The Practice of Groundedness Master of Change Richard RohrAgainst the MachineTony GywnnTarik SkubalHow Awe Helps with Anxiety

Welcome to Episode 64 of the RT Dialogue. On this episode we welcome RT Therapist Bryan Snead, who is Assistant Director of Counseling at Hill Country Bible Church. We have come to know Bryan over this last year connecting through RT Training and Texas RT Zoom monthly meetings. Bryan came to Restoration Therapy after journeying through a lot of other models, and on this episode he shares his love of what he has learned along the way, and his love of integrating neuroscience into this work. Bryan and the counseling center at Hill Country Bible Church have become instrumental as well in helping plan the April Texas Restoration Therapy Gathering -- so thankful for them.Enjoy the episode!Mentioned in the EpisodeBruce Ecker The 7 Emotion Circuits -- Jaak PankseppThe Way of Excellence: A Guide to True Greatness and Deep Satisfaction in a Chaotic World by Brad Stulberg

Welcome to Episode 63 of the RT Dialogue!On this episode we had the privilege of sitting down with the amazing couple of Jeff and Robin Reinke, who have been so influential in the Restoration Therapy community. They have quite the story -- both LMFT's -- Robin pursued licensure and the therapeutic route, whereas, Jeff went the route of ministry. Along the way they trained under Sue Johnson, the Gottmans, and eventually met Terry and Sharon Hargrave (and the rest is history as they say). Over the years they have poured into people and the community -- Robin in her role of therapist, and Jeff in ministry circle and the development of the Relationship Resource. It's hard to capture in words just how much of an impact they have had in the Restoration Therapy community (and beyond), and so we were so thankful to have them on. Mentioned in the EpisodeFree to Love: Transforming Pain into Peace (podcast)Relationship ResourceMen's SkillsWomen's SkillsThe Refuge Marriage IntensiveBadly Broken Deeply Loved: How to Find God's Healing, Wholeness & Peace by Jeff ReinkeRon and Nan Deal

Welcome to Episode 62 of the RT Dialogue Podcast -- we are so glad that you joined us. This is a really special episode as we got to sit down with two of our colleagues in the Restoration Therapy community and hear about their launching of the new Asher Graduate School of Counseling. Nancy Frigaard (Episode 45) and Michael Piciucco (Episode 11).This is a wild story with some really remarkable turn of events on their journey to opening up the Asher Graduate School. Check out their website for more information, but it looks like they will officially launch with a September cohort -- beginning with their Doctor of Ministry degree in Marriage and Family Studies (and soon to be other programs...). We are really excited for Nancy and Michael and all of the people involved in helping them launch the graduate school. And we are really excited for the RT community as it will be a great place for students to learn and practice the beautiful and life changing Restoration Therapy model. Mentioned in the EpisodeLead Like it Matters to God: Values-Driven Leadership in a Success-Driven World by Richard StearnsBorn to Be Wild by Steppenwolf (lyrics)

[PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]Welcome to Episode 61 of the RT Dialogue podcast!We are really excited to have back Jennifer Smith and Lorenzo Cantoja, who you may remember from ⁠⁠⁠⁠Episode 45⁠⁠⁠⁠. In that episode we introduced you to the work of ⁠⁠⁠⁠Nancy Frigaard⁠⁠⁠⁠ and part of her team (Jennifer and Lorenzo) at ⁠⁠⁠⁠Freedom Family Counseling⁠⁠⁠⁠. This is an ongoing intervention series:Episode 57 -- ⁠⁠Lenny the Lizard⁠⁠Episode 58 -- ⁠⁠Pete the Pain Eater⁠⁠Episode 59 -- ⁠Fireballs of Pain & the Truth Shield⁠Episode 60 -- Empty Chair Bear (ECB)Nancy is the author of ⁠⁠⁠⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠⁠⁠⁠, and in this episode (and the ones following) we look at some interventions she uses in the book (and one that isn't in there). Jennifer and Lorenzo have so much energy and enthusiasm for the work that they do, and so it was a lot of fun to have them on. In this episode they demonstrate the "Empty Chair Bear (ECB)" intervention, which can be found in ⁠⁠⁠⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠⁠⁠⁠. [adapted word list for use with children can be found in the episodes on ⁠⁠⁠⁠RT Dialogue Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠]

[PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]Welcome to Episode 60 of the RT Dialogue podcast!We are really excited to have back Jennifer Smith and Lorenzo Cantoja, who you may remember from ⁠⁠⁠Episode 45⁠⁠⁠. In that episode we introduced you to the work of ⁠⁠⁠Nancy Frigaard⁠⁠⁠ and part of her team (Jennifer and Lorenzo) at ⁠⁠⁠Freedom Family Counseling⁠⁠⁠. This is an ongoing intervention series:Episode 57 -- ⁠Lenny the Lizard⁠Episode 58 -- ⁠Pete the Pain Eater⁠Episode 59 -- Fireballs of Pain & the Truth ShieldNancy is the author of ⁠⁠⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠⁠⁠, and in this episode (and the ones following) we look at some interventions she uses in the book (and one that isn't in there). Jennifer and Lorenzo have so much energy and enthusiasm for the work that they do, and so it was a lot of fun to have them on. In this episode they demonstrate the "Fireballs of Pain & the Truth Shield " intervention, which can be found in ⁠⁠⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠⁠⁠. [adapted word list for use with children can be found in the episodes on ⁠⁠⁠RT Dialogue Substack⁠⁠⁠]

[PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]Welcome to Episode 59 of the RT Dialogue podcast!We are really excited to have back Jennifer Smith and Lorenzo Cantoja, who you may remember from ⁠⁠Episode 45⁠⁠. In that episode we introduced you to the work of ⁠⁠Nancy Frigaard⁠⁠ and part of her team (Jennifer and Lorenzo) at ⁠⁠Freedom Family Counseling⁠⁠. This is an ongoing intervention series:Episode 57 -- Lenny the LizardEpisode 58 -- Pete the Pain EaterNancy is the author of ⁠⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠⁠, and in this episode (and the ones following) we look at some interventions she uses in the book (and one that isn't in there). Jennifer and Lorenzo have so much energy and enthusiasm for the work that they do, and so it was a lot of fun to have them on. In this episode they demonstrate the "Fireballs of Pain & the Truth Shield " intervention, which can be found in ⁠⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠⁠. [adapted word list for use with children can be found in the episodes on ⁠⁠RT Dialogue Substack⁠⁠]

[PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]Welcome to Episode 58 of the RT Dialogue podcast!We are really excited to have back Jennifer Smith and Lorenzo Cantoja, who you may remember from ⁠Episode 45⁠. In that episode we introduced you to the work of ⁠Nancy Frigaard⁠ and part of her team (Jennifer and Lorenzo) at ⁠Freedom Family Counseling⁠. This is an ongoing intervention series:Episode 57 -- Lenny the LizardNancy is the author of ⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠, and in this episode (and the ones following) we look at some interventions she uses in the book (and one that isn't in there). Jennifer and Lorenzo have so much energy and enthusiasm for the work that they do, and so it was a lot of fun to have them on. In this episode they demonstrate the "Pete the Pain Eater" intervention, which can be found in ⁠A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace⁠. [adapted word list for use with children can be found in the episodes on ⁠RT Dialogue Substack⁠]

[PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]Welcome to Episode 57 of the RT Dialogue podcast!We are really excited to have back Jennifer Smith and Lorenzo Cantoja, who you may remember from Episode 45. In that episode we introduced you to the work of Nancy Frigaard and part of her team (Jennifer and Lorenzo) at Freedom Family Counseling. Nancy is the author of A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace, and in this episode (and the ones following) we look at some interventions she uses in the book (and one that isn't in there). Jennifer and Lorenzo have so much energy and enthusiasm for the work that they do, and so it was a lot of fun to have them on. In this episode they demonstrate the "Lenny the Lying Lizard" intervention, which can be found in A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy: Helping Kids Play Their Way from Pain to Peace. [adapted word list for use with children can be found in the episodes on RT Dialogue Substack]

Welcome to Episode 56 of the RT Dialogue Podcast!We are so thankful that you listen to the podcast, and we know you will enjoy this episode. Today, we are excited to welcome Cori Page. Cori is a Level II Restoration Therapy therapist, and the founder and owner of Restoration Therapy of Columbus. Cori is also a Certified Sex Addiction Therapist and EMDR trained. She is passionate about a lot of topics, and we are continually impressed with how she uses RT not just in her therapy sessions, but in her work for advocating social change in her local and broader communities. Mentioned in the EpisodeRiverview International CenterYour Pain Has a Name: A Therapist's Invitation to Understanding to Understanding Your Story and Sorting Out Who You Are from What Hurts by RT therapist Monica DiCristinaJust Peacemaking: The New Paradigm for the Ethics of Peace and War by Glenn StassenExtraordinary Relationships: A New Way of Thinking About Human Interactions by Roberta GilbertDr. Jaclyn KirschHannah ChungIn the episode Cori also mentions her friendship with Fuller grad and therapist Rachel Engels and needs for the Minneapolis community: Neighbors Helping Neighbors in NeedHygiene Bank

Welcome to Episode 55 of the RT Dialogue! We are glad that you have joined us. If you are liking the podcast, please subscribe to it on Spotify, Apple or YouTube (or subscribe on all 3). And please recommend to any other people you think would find the content beneficial.In this latest episode, we discuss the 7 vital components of an intensive. We have both been trained in the intensive model, and spent a number of years on staff helping co-lead marriage intensives (The Hideaway Experience), as well as doing anxiety intensives. Rhett co-developed the Turning from Anxiety intensive model along with Terry and Sharon Hargrave and Tanner Hargrove. And Lance has written about the intensive model extensively in his doctoral dissertation, Arresting Anxiety: Experiential Training Model for Utilizing Intensive Restoration Therapy. In this episode we discuss the 7 vital components:focusing on one big goalsecluded environmenthospitalityexpert therapistsproviding toolsopportunities to practicepower of the group experience

Welcome to Episode 54 of the RT Dialogue Podcast. We appreciate all your support.This is a shorter episode where we reflect on the beginning of the year, and how we often approach new year's goals/new habits/etc. with clients. And we each share a couple of the big goals we have in mind this year.

Welcome to Episode 53 of the RT Dialogue.In this episode Lance and Rhett discuss events happening in the RT community (i.e. consult groups, trainings, gatherings, future summit, etc.), as well as discussing how all of us can bring our gifts into the community and look for areas to serve. Obviously we aren't aware of everything, so please let us know of RT things happening in your practice and community.Check out some of the events in the community at our RT Dialogue Substack. Highlighted Events/ActivitiesRestoration Therapy Texas Gathering (registration is open/limited spots)Mark your calendars for Restoration Therapy 2027 Summit in Malibu at Pepperdine (March 5-6, 2027)Mike Bishop's Delphi study on The Core Assumptions of Restoration Therapy (click on link to participate)Opportunities to Get InvolvedWrite articles/posts for RT Dialogue SubstackVolunteer to help with Summit 2027 (planning, "boots on the ground", etc.)Organize local RT gatheringsWrite a bio for the RT Dialogue SubstackEtc.

Welcome to Episode 52 of the RT Dialogue podcast.This was a real treat for us in getting to interview Dr. Tamara Powell, Assistant Professor of Teaching Practice at the University of Colorado at Denver. Rhett has known Tamara since 2002 when she started checking out the college ministry he was pastoring at Bel Air Church in Los Angeles. Over the years they have conversed on a lot of topics -- one of them being Restoration Therapy. And now Tamara teaches Restoration Therapy in Week 10 (Peacemaking) of her Communication and Healing class (check out her syllabus on our Substack). We cover a lot of ground in this conversation, highlighting her journey to RT, and why and how she uses it in her class. We knew this would be a great conversation and we look forward to more conversations with her on the podcast, and at future events. Mentioned in this EpisodeChuck DeGroat's book, Healing What's Within: Coming Home to Yourself--and to God--When You are Wounded, Weary and, Wandering St. Patrick's Breastplate Prayer (section that Tamara highlighted in the prayer)Christ with me,Christ before me,Christ behind me,Christ in me,Christ beneath me,Christ above me,Christ on my right,Christ on my left,Christ when I lie down,Christ when I sit down,Christ when I arise,Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,Christ in every eye that sees me,Christ in every ear that hears me.

Welcome to the New Year everyone! And a new season of the RT Dialogue with Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith. We are glad you have joined us. [FYI: There were some internet connection issues in this episode, but it was a great conversation.]We kick off the new season with Restoration Therapist Hatty Lee. Hatty is the founder of Oak and Stone Therapy which has practices in Pasadena and Los Angeles. She is also the co-author of the beautiful Indwell Guide, which is an "8-step mental health resource designed to empower individuals through visual storytelling, education, and practical tools."In this episode we spend time learning from Hatty where RT Therapists often get stuck in the therapeutic process. Here wide ranging experience as a therapist, supervisor, practice owner, gives her unique insight into some of the ways therapists get stuck in the practice of RT. We also end the episode with some brief thoughts on why she loves doing intensives so much.

Welcome to Episode 50 of the RT Dialogue Podcast!We want to give a huge THANK YOU to all of you who have listened this year.We launched this podcast on February 16, 2025 with the hopes of connecting the RT community. We wanted to bring on different people within the community who were practicing RT, as well as dive deeper into the model. It's been a fun adventure for us, and we are eager to start into Season 2 in January 2026.We spent some time in this last episode going over some fun numbers from our podcast this year, and talking about our hopes for Season 2, as well as our dreams for the RT community as we move into the new year. So a big THANK YOU again for tuning in!Here are some fun numbers for our small podcast (as of Dec. 20, 2025):Spotify/Apple4,606 downloads of the podcast740 listening hours89 followers303 different unique listeners52.3% female; 43% male; 4.7% not identified 8 countries listeningEpisode 4 with Terry and Sharon most listened to episode of the year. Top 10% podcast globally for most viewed videos (if you didn't know already -- you can view the video episode on Spotify as well)Please subscribe to our Spotify or Apple YouTube1,700 views374.7 viewing hours51 subscribersEpisode 7 with Ron Deal was most viewed episode of the year. Please subscribe to our YouTubeSubstack19,000 views156 subscribers22 different states are subscribed4 countries subscribed (US, Austria, Australia, Mexico)Episode 18 with Bisola Adediji was BY FAR the most viewed and shared episode of the year....1,238 different emails opened her episode!Please subscribe to our Substack -- which also now has an updated calendar page and other ways to get involved. When we started this podcast we weren't sure who would listen. But we were going to do it anyways, whether anyone listened or not, because we enjoy chatting with each other, with those in the RT community -- and we just love chatting about RT. But it's awesome that between all our channels, they were viewed over 25,000 times in the last 10 months. So THANK YOU.See you in 2026.Lance, Rhett and RO

Welcome to Episode 49 of the RT Dialogue. As we near the end of the year we wanted to take an episode to reflect on a few of the books that we find ourselves referencing a lot in therapy over the years. Honestly, we could have spent hours on this episode and covered dozens and dozens of books, over so many topics. So maybe in future podcasts we will pause and talk about other books that are important to our work. We also realize as we got more into the conversation that our book selection doesn't reflect a very wide diversity of authors in terms of gender, ethnicity, etc. -- just something we wanted to acknowledge. I know we have been reading widely in our personal lives, but it's not always reflected in the books that we find ourselves referencing consistently.What are the 3-5 books that you find yourself continually referencing in therapy with clients?P.S. On this latest episode I totally botched a reference in Parker Palmer's book Let Your Life Speak, where he talks about his depression. Here is the actual quote:“After hours of careful listening, my therapist offered an image that helped me eventually reclaim my life. ‘You seem to look upon depression as the hand of an enemy trying to crush you,’ he said. ‘Do you think you could see it instead as the hand of a friend, pressing you down to the ground on which it is safe to stand?’Amid the assaults I was suffering, the suggestion that depression was my friend seemed impossibly romantic, even insulting. But something in me knew that down, down to the ground, was the direction of wholeness, thus allowing that image to begin its slow work of healing me.I started to understand that I had been living an ungrounded life, living at an altitude that was inherently unsafe. The problem with living at high altitude is simple: when we slip, as we always do, we have a long, long way to fall, and the landing may well kill us. The grace of being pressed down to the ground is also simple: when we slip and fall, it is usually not fatal, and we can get back up.” (pp. 66)Books Mentioned in the EpisodeIn the Name of Jesus: Reflections on Christian Leadership by Henri NouwenLet Your Life Speak: Listening for the Voice of Vocation by Parker PalmerThe Silence of Adam: Becoming Men in a World of Chaos by Larry CrabbA Grief Observed by C. S. LewisBreathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps by Richard RohrAbba's Child: The Cry of the Heart for Intimate Belonging by Brennan ManningMan's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. FranklLiving the Spiritually Balanced Life: Acquiring the Virtues You Admire in Others by Ray AndersonDaring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We Live, Love, Parent and Lead by Brene BrownFeminist Prayers for My Daughter: Powerful Petitions for Every Stage of Life by Shannon K. EvansAgainst the Machine: On the Unmaking of Humanity by Paul KingsnorthThe Salt Stones: The Seasons of a Shepherd's Life by Helen WhybrowThe Way of Excellence: A Guide to True Greatness and Deep Satisfaction in a Chaotic World by Brad StulbergZen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquire into Values by Robert PirsigStrong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, The Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit by Brene BrownWhy We Love Baseball: A History in 50 Moments by Joe Posnanski

Welcome to Episode 48 of the RT Dialogue.In this episode we had the privilege of talking with Dr. Erik Salwen who is a Level II RT Therapist and who is also Level I RT Trainer. He is the Associate Professor of Counseling Ministries at Dallas Theological Seminary and is in practice at College Station Christian Counseling in College Station, TX. Erik is passionate about the "theology of RT" and we discussed at length the role of integration in the Restoration Therapy model -- as well as starting a conversation around the topic of forgiveness (we will have to pick back up on this rich conversation next year on the podcast)Mentioned in the EpisodeDr. Scott Horrell John PiperDeborah van Deusen HunsingerTheology and Pastoral Counseling: A New Interdisciplinary Approach by Deborah van Deusen HunsingerChrist Plays in Ten Thousand Places: A Conversation in Spiritual Theology by Eugene PetersonOhana Fest

Welcome to Episode 47 of the RT Dialogue Podcast. As we wind down towards the end of the 2025 year we wanted to chat briefly about a question we both receive quite a bit -- which is how to build a referral network as a therapist? Rhett has been in his private practice for 15 years while Lance is on year 10. So we have some thoughts and ideas that have been helpful for us that we want to share. But we plan to spend some time in 2026 having some people on to talk about the nuts and bolts of building a healthy practice, but today we just wanted to touch briefly on this topic of network building. We would love to hear from you. Drop a comment below and let us know some things you have done to build a healthy referral network, or groups of people that you feel are vital for therapists to connect with in the process of building the network.

Welcome to Episode 46 of the RT Dialogue Podcast. We are so thankful that you have joined us on this journey, and if you like what you hear we encourage you to do us a favor. You can: recommend the episode to othersleave a review for us on Spotify or Apple Podcasts (good reviews help others find it)subscribe to the RT Dialogue Substack for the podcast and other pertinent information in the Restoration Therapy community. We have a great episode for you with our special guest, Rob Hayes St. Clair. Rob came into RT not by the typical route you have heard from many of our previous guests (i.e. graduate school, training, etc.), but through an encounter in therapy. In this episode he shares his life changing experience from working on the JH Ranch in Northern California, to encountering RT as a client, and the healing journey that led he and his wife Edith on. (Check out ⁠JH Aotearoa⁠)Part of his mission is to bring the power of Restoration Therapy to others, and one of those ways is through the new Parent from Peace journal. This journal is so beautiful and you can tell that it is truly a labor of love born out of personal transformation. Please go check it out and place your order. We love it and want to support the good work of those in the community. Mentioned in the EpisodeThe Life Changing Skill of Emotional Regulation -- Modern Wisdom podcast with special guest Mark BrackettFamilies and Faith: How Religion is Passed Down across Generations by Vern Bengtson, Norealla Putney and Susan Harris The Mindful Marriage: Create Your Best Relationship Through Understanding and Managing Yourself by Ron and Nan Deal Why Your Kids Push Back -- And How to Fix It with Michael Cox and Rob Hayes St. ClairRelate Strong

Welcome to Episode 45 of the RT Dialogue Podcast. This was a really fun episode, and if you are able to – we recommend you watch the video version if possible (i.e. props involved).In this episode we spent time with Nancy Frigaard, Jennifer Smith, and Lorenzo Cantoja.Nancy is doing a ton of amazing work, and among that, she is owner/clinical director at Freedom Family Counseling in Arizona (serving two locations in the Phoenix area). She is also the author of A Playful Approach to Restoration Therapy, and is President of the newly formed Asher Graduate School of Counseling. Jennifer is an LAMFT on staff at Freedom Family Counseling and may be most well known for her dancing in the From Pain to Peace (The 4 Steps Song) – you have to check out this catchy tune.Lorenzo is an LAMFT on staff at Freedom Family Counseling and dove deep with us into their new Play Strong Warriors program.  The three of them (and I would imagine all of the staff atFreedom Family Counseling), bring a really beautiful energy to the work of Restoration Therapy. I love how they are serving their community and partnering with many other organizations to bring restoration and healing. In this episode we focused on working with children, and discussed some of the innovative programs they are using Restoration Therapy in. We definitely plan to have them back on in the new year to do multiple episodes on interventions, as well as to talk about the new graduate school that Nancy and others are launching in the Phoenix, AZ area.

We were really excited to have Sharon Hargrave and Dee Dee Mayer on Episode 44 of the RT Dialogue. Sharon as many of you already know, is the founder of Relate Strong, and Dee Dee Mayer is the Senior Director of The Boone Center at Pepperdine University -- this is just to name a couple of things these amazing women are currently involved in, or have contributed to. On this episode we wanted to have them both on to discuss navigating relationships during the holidays. Both bring a wealth of knowledge and personal experience to this topic, and we wish we had more time to record a longer episode...we will definitely be having them back on.But in a culture that seems to be keen on cutting off relationships, and a pop psychology culture permeated in social media, there is a lot of emphasis on labeling, boundaries, self-care, etc, rather than a pathway to restoration. We wanted to address this head on in this episode. We hope you enjoy the conversation, and stay tuned for another episode with these two in the near future. Mentioned in the Episode Home for Thanksgiving: 7 Common Concerns from Students and How Families Can Prepare for a Great Holiday -- this was the article Rhett mentioned in the episode that Gonzaga sent home to parents.Check out our episode on the RT Dialogue Substack for access to the Family Estrangement handout that we discussed.

Welcome to Episode 43 of the RT Dialogue. In this episode we wanted to spend some time talking about the Core Concepts of Restoration Therapy. A couple of weeks ago we were hanging out with the Hargraves and some other members of the RT Community, and Terry put up a slide listing the core concepts:Emotional Regulation -- Self Versus CoHuman Identity and SafetyPain Chart, Peace ChartPain Cycle -- Primary Emotion to Reactive EmotionPeace Cycle -- Primary Emotion to Choice Actions/VirtueFour-Steps -- recapitulation of old self/new selfForgiveness-Four Station of Insight, Understanding, Giving Opportunity for Compensation, Overt ForgivingWhat is not on this list, but Terry mentioned as probably becoming a part of it -- the Stop, Turn, Slow intervention we are refining. And Lance wondered on the podcast if "usness" would be considered a core concept (we will have to ask Terry about that). One of the things that makes RT unique as well, is that it is a totally integratable model. We had a lot to discuss this episode, and never got to the Forgiveness concept, which we are saving for a later episode in a few weeks. But when you think about what makes RT, RT -- it's these core concepts. If you aren't doing these core concepts in your practice, then you aren't doing RT. Hope you enjoy the episode.

Welcome to Episode 42 of the RT Dialogue. We had a great time and a deep and meaningful conversation with our guest Ryan Forsell on this latest episode. Ryan is a Fuller Theological Seminary graduate (2017), Level II RT trained therapist, and has a private-group practice in Sierra Madre and online. He is deeply passionate about men's work, and integrating outdoor wilderness experiences working with men. I (Rhett) was introduced to Ryan like 15-16 years ago through his youth pastor who is a friend of mine, and it's been cool to see his journey over all these years. But for this episode we decided to do something different after the episode was recorded -- and that was record a short message prior to the episode. We had used the word disclaimer in a private conversation, but it's not really even a disclaimer, because there is nothing to deny of taking responsibility for. But it's more of a notice ahead of listening. This was the first episode we waded into territory that is controversial in some therapeutic communities, and accepted in others -- the use of psychedelics in therapy. So we just wanted to give listeners notice about it ahead of time. All that being said, our conversation was deep and meaningful and we look forward to having Ryan back on. And we hope to be a podcast that can both talk about the core tenets of Restoration Therapy -- and what makes RT, RT, in our theory and practice -- praxis. And we also want to thoughtfully engage with people practicing therapy in different ways and who are outside the RT community. We got both in this episode. There are lots of topics that therapists are often afraid to engage in, even in our own rooms -- politics, sexuality, faith, psychedelics -- just to name a few. And if there is anything we have learned from being a part of the RT community, it is that we want to be safe and loving people to all those we encounter. Thanks for trusting us with these conversations and we know that we have many exciting episodes ahead. Mentioned in the EpisodeThe Soul's Code: In Search of Character and Calling by James HillmanMichael MeadeRobert BlyRoy BaumeisterThe Red Book by Carl JungPsychedelics and the Soul: A Mythic Guide to Psychedelic Healing, Depth Psychology and Cultural Repair by Simon YuglerBreathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps by Richard RohrDeep Water Men

Welcome to Episode 41 of the RT Dialogue podcast, with our special guest Megan Kuder. Megan is the founder of Be Well Counseling Atlanta, and a part of our Restoration Therapy community. Mentioned in the EpisodeIgnatius House in Sandy SpringsInner Voice of Love: A Journey Through Anguish to Freedom by Henri NouwenIn the Name of Jesus: Reflections on Christian Leadership by Henri Nouwen

Welcome back to the RT Dialogue with Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl. We are really thankful that you have joined us on this journey.In this episode we return to our first guest, Michael Cox, who was with us in our second episode. Michael is a dear friend and colleague, and it's always great to connect with him. Michael wears a lot of professional hats -- running a practice, co-leading marriage intensives, RT Level 1 training, podcast host, and much, much more. I hope you enjoy this episode as we bounce around a bit, talking about working with adolescents and their families, the challenges of running a practice, his new book project, etc. Mentioned in the EpisodeThe HEARTWORK Podcast | Spotify | Apple | YouTube

We are excited to welcome back to the podcast, Dr. Miyoung Yoon Hammer, Professor of Marriage and Family Therapy at Fuller Theological Seminary. We had Dr. Hammer on podcast Episode 33, and were eager to have her back on because we just ran out of time to talk with her about all the things we wanted to discuss with her. In this episode we dive deeper into issues around diversity, multicultural and cross-cultural, through the lens of Restoration Therapy. Mentioned in the EpisodeKintsugiAdvances and Techniques in Restoration Therapy by Terry Hargrave, Nicole Zasowski and Miyoung Yoon HammerMany Colors: Cultural Intelligence for a Changing Church by Soong-Chan RahRe-Visioning Family Therapy: Addressing Diversity in Clinical Practice by Monica McGoldrick and Kenneth V. Hardy

[FYI: we re-uploaded this episode w/different bumper music, as it created issues with Spotify and licensing]Welcome to Episode 38 of the RT Dialogue Podcast. We wanted to do something different in this podcast, so we had on special guest RO Smith.Spotify | Apple | YouTubeRO has been serving in ministry most of his life and was on staff with me (Rhett) at Bel Air Presbyterian Church back in the early 2000’s. He’s currently on staff at ⁠Point Loma Presbyterian Church⁠ as their Digital Content Creator and Worship Leader. Over the years RO has been asking me questions about the Restoration Therapy model. And this last year while on runs, he has been listening to the podcast with even more curiosity and interest. So back in September RO trained with ⁠Meghan Eaken ⁠in the ⁠RT Coaching model⁠ and came away from that inspired and with even more to talk about. He was raving about how great Meghan was in teaching the model!So we wanted to sit down with RO and just have a conversation about coming into RT and questions he might have. We feel like it’s really important to hear questions from people at the beginning of their RT journey, as there are insights they have that sometimes we overlook when you have been in the model for a long time. We hope to have RO back on soon (and others new to the model) since it feels like we just got started with the questions.Also, huge thank you to RO who started volunteering his time a few months ago to help us with the sound quality of the podcast.

Such a fun conversation in this episode with Dr. Marical Felan who is a Level II Restoration Therapist, splitting time living and doing therapy between California and Texas. In this episode we spend a lot of time talking about theological integration and the unique background that Marcial brings to Restoration Therapy with all of his experience in ministry and organizations like Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship Ministries and serving on staff with Dr. David Jeremiah at Shadow Mountain Community Church. As well as discussing some of his favorite interventions such as reparenting and the two-screen/split screen.It was really fascinating listening to his journey to RT and all the varying connections over the years. Just a reminder of how deep and rich the foundation of Restoration Therapy is and the community that Terry and Sharon Hargrave have built and fostered over the years.Mentioned in the EpisodeChrist Plays in Ten Thousand Places by Eugene Peterson Becoming Dallas Willard by Gary MoonBreathing Under Water by Richard RohrThe Fix by Ian CronSteps by John OrtbergWhy I Believe by Dr. Henry Cloud

We welcomed back Ron Deal to the podcast to discuss an important topic that seems to be on everyone's mind (at least in the RT world) -- and that is the paradigm shifting move from emotional coregulation to self-regulation. And Ron helped us dive deep into the topic. If you have never met Ron before, he is the President of Smart Stepfamlies and Senior Director of Family Life Blended. We also had him on this podcast way back in Episode 7. Oh, and lest we forget -- Co-Author of The Mindful Marriage along with his wife Nan, and Terry and Sharon Hargrave. We covered a lot of ground in this conversation about coregulation and self-regulation, but some of the themes that emerged were: Significant paradigm shift of RT towards self-regulation vs coregulation AI as the new coregulatorThe virtue of self-control as critical to emotional self-regulationEmotional self-regulation as practice of discipleshipRon's scuba diving metaphor for self-regulation vs coregulationand much more(see our RT Dialogue Substack for the handout mentioned in episode}Mentioned in the EpisodePracticing the Way by John Mark ComerSelf-Regulation and Self-Control by Roy BaumeisterThe Mindful Marriage by Ron and Nan Deal Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

It will come as no surprise to anyone when we say that we are in the midst of a very difficult time in world history. The world is in a very volatile state politically, and the cultural climate is full of tension. And as therapists, this can be complicated terrain to navigate, especially when in the context of one therapy day we interact with clients coming from all different perspectives.With this in mind, we wanted to bring Terry and Sharon Hargrave onto the podcast to help us better understand the role of Restoration Therapy in shaping us into the type of therapists (and people) who can bring peace into all of this pain. Terry and Sharon obviously need no introduction in this community. They are the founders of Restoration Therapy and Relate Strong, and so much more. And most importantly, they have trained many of us professionally and walked alongside of us personally. In this episode we look at their model of how we move from reactivity to polarization to entitled extremism (see the RT Dialogue Substack for the handout Terry talked about during this episode), and the critical role emotional self-regulation plays in volatile times like these. We discuss the work of the therapist using this model, as well as practical ways we can all walk this out everyday in our personal lives. Mentioned in the EpisodeThe Practice of the Presence of God by Brother LawrenceIn the Name of Jesus by Henri NouwenExclusion and Embrace by Miroslav VolfRestoration Therapy by Terry Hargrave and Franz PfitzerThe Road to Character by David Brooks

Welcome to episode 34 of the RT Dialogue podcast. We are so thankful that you could join us and listen to our latest conversation with our good friend, and RT therapist, Migum Gweon. If you enjoy this podcast, please take a minute to leave a comment wherever you listen (Spotify, Apple, YouTube, etc.). And we want to give a special shoutout to our friend RO Smith who has bee helping us with our sound and editing. Thank you RO. Now back to our guest.Migum has been around Restoration Therapy since the early days and is a huge contributor to the model and the community. She is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in Nevada (also licensed and seeing clients in CA). Migum is clinically gifted in many areas, but one of the areas we focused on in this episode is cultural and intergenerational family issues, specifically among Koreans. We loved her insight and emphasis on anxiety, and the discussion around forgiveness in the RT model. We also learned some things about K Dramas (specifically When Life Gives You Tangerines). The latter part of the episode we focus on two excellent therapeutic interventions that she has been working on and utilizing in her work -- Quicksand Analogy and the yet to be named intervention (maybe Incompetent or Transitions intervention). Mentioned in the EpisodeFamilies in Forgiveness by Terry Hargrave and Nicole ZasowskiForgiving the Devil by Terry HargraveWhen Life Gives You Tangerines

This episode has been a long time coming and we are so excited to present to you Dr. Miyoung Yoon Hammer. Dr. Hammer is Associate Professor of Marriage and Family Therapy and Chair of the Department of Marriage and Family Therapy at Fuller Theological Seminary. She is also the co-author of Advances and Techniques in Restoration Therapy, and has written a lot of beautiful articles on a number of topics that I highly recommend you check out. Not only has she been a contributing member to the development of RT, but she has also taught and trained and mentor a lot of members of our community over the years. So it was with great excitement that we had her on this episode. We loved hearing her genesis story with Restoration Therapy (there are some great Terry and Sharon stories in here) and the way she integrates the model theologically.We had a lot to cover and didn't get around to all of it, so we are looking forward to having her back on very soon.Mentioned in the EpisodeMedFTAdvances and Techniques in Restoration Therapy

Welcome to episode 32 of the RT Dialogue Podcast with our special guest, Dee Dee Mayer. Dee Dee is the Senior Director of Relate Strong at the Boone Center for the Family at Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA. The Boone Center for the Family is a remarkable organization and it provides a lot of resources to help equip individuals and organizations -- as it says on their website, "The Boone Center for the Family helps communities within churches, academic institutions, and other Christian organizations by providing trainings and resources to empower the communities' leaders." We cover a lot of topics such as Relate Strong, the amazing Minister's Marriage Enrichment, and all of the resources that the Boone Center provides. And Dee Dee takes us into a deeper conversation around "usness" and the varying tools and interventions she uses to work with "usness" in relationships. Resources Mentioned in the EpisodeBoone Center for the Family Minister's Marriage EnrichmentRelate StrongRelate Strong Workshops and TrainingsRelate Strong Leadership SeriesLinked In | Boone CenterVivek Murthy | Loneliness EpidemicThe Defining Decade by Meg Jay

In this episode we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove (see bio below) and his wife Jet. The two of them are a dynamic duo, and pulled off the lion's share of the work for the RT Summit in Amarillo, TX this last February. We wanted to pick their brain on all things hospitality -- from creating a hospitable experience for a conference, to the importance of hospitality for The Hideaway Experience marriage intensives they help run...down to the role of hospitality in all of our clinical and private practices. As we start ramping up planning for the 2027 RT Summit, we will be looking for a lot of help in creating another hospitable experience. So stay tuned for details. Tanner's BioTanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠professor⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠⁠⁠.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his fourth intervention which is multi-versed in its use. This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:⁠⁠Destructive entitlement intervention⁠⁠⁠Personal responsibility intervention⁠Trust interventionControl interventionMulti-Versed intervention Short BioTanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠professor⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠⁠.We hope you enjoy this episode on a multi-versed intervention.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his fourth intervention around control. This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:⁠⁠Destructive entitlement intervention⁠⁠⁠Personal responsibility intervention⁠Trust interventionControl interventionMulti-Versed intervention Short BioTanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠professor⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠⁠.We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for control.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his third intervention around trust. This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:⁠Destructive entitlement intervention⁠Personal responsibility interventionTrust interventionControl interventionMulti-Versed intervention Short BioTanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠, ⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠, ⁠⁠professor⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠.We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for trust.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his second intervention around personal responsibility. This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:Destructive entitlement interventionPersonal responsibility interventionTrust interventionControl interventionMulti-Versed intervention Short BioTanner wears many hats: ⁠therapist⁠, ⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠, ⁠professor⁠, ⁠Level II RT therapist⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠.We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for destructive entitlement.

We are really excited to have Dr. Tanner Hargrove on this episode. Tanner wears many hats: therapist, clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive, professor, Level II RT therapist -- and he co-created the Turning from Anxiety Intensive. If you attended the Summit in February in Amarillo, Tanner's interventions in his couple's workshop had everyone talking. So we wanted to have him on the podcast again to talk about some of his interventions. Tanner has a lot of interventions but we focused on 5 specific ones. We thought that this episode was so important and practical that we created a separate episode for each intervention. So make sure you check out all 5 this week as they become available:Destructive entitlement interventionPersonal responsibility interventionTrust interventionControl interventionMulti-Versed intervention We will definitely have Tanner back on to talk through and demonstrate more interventions.We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for destructive entitlement.

As we continue to improve the quality of sound and listener experience on the podcast, we also wanted to re-release Episode 20 with Dr. Mike Bishop.Lance was having trouble with his mic on this episode, but we were able to clean up the audio a bit more. Thanks for listening and we hope you enjoy.

We want to apologize for some of the sound issues we have incurred in some previous episodes. We have been testing out new software along the way and learning as we go. But these conversations are really important to us and so we will continue to improve the listening experience for all of you until we get it just right. Moving forward we have brought someone on board to help us with sound and technical issues, as well as just the overall quality of the show. We love doing it and want to keep it simple and down to earth, but improve in areas that make it a more enriching experience for you.We have gone back and cleaned up the last episode (#23 with Terry Hargrave) as best we can...working on the sound levels with Terry. On some platforms people reported hearing Terry find, and other platforms...not so much. So here is another go at it. We hope you enjoy, and thanks for your patience.

"Practice is the only pathway to change."--Dr. Terry HargraveToday's special guest needs no introduction! We were very excited to have Dr. Terry Hargrave back onto the podcast to discuss a wide range of topics, and it was an opportunity to ask some questions that seem to come up a lot in the RT community. Terry is the founder of Restoration Therapy and the author of many books -- and ultimately a great friend and mentor not only to us, but to the RT community as a whole. We are beyond thankful to call him friend and to have him join us. Discussed in this EpisodeThe Road to Character by David BrooksThe Sacred Journey by Frederick Buechner -- "stewardship of pain" (Part 1) and (Part 2) Roy Baumeister -- specifically around self-control (emotional self-regulation)From Lost to Found by Nicole ZasowskiJustin Martyr TertullianRomans 12:1-2Ephesians 4:20-24Philippians 4:4-9Romans 5Galatians 5:22-23

Welcome to Episode 22 of the RT Dialogue. In Season 1 we have been busy geting to know different members of the Restoration Therapy community, and it's been a really enjoyable experience. We hope you have enjoyed it as much as we have. Spotify | Apple | YouTubeIn this episode we spend time with Steven Perez who is an LPC on staff at the Restoration Therapy Center of San Diego and is also a Level 2 Restoration Therapist. A lot of you read his bio on our RT Dialogue Substack, as well as seeing his name come through your emails for the Restoration Therapy Consultation Group that meets each month online (3rd Thursday of the month -- email Steven if you want to get on that list). One of the things that you may have noticed in previous episodes, or in other interactions with the RT community -- is a growing desire to be more experiential in the room and move people into practice. Steven has a real gift for helping individuals and couples work through their 4 steps in a really experiential and empowering way, and we were eager for him to talk about it, as well as demonstrate it. We hope you enjoy this episode.Resources Mentioned in this EpisodePsalm 121Henri Nouwen (and more specifically In the Name of Jesus)