Spirit of the Deal

Listen. Most of you are operating in a state of biological bankruptcy. You've spent years mastering the art of compartmentalization. You've learned how to shut down your body, ignore the nausea in your gut, and "push through" the noise to hit your KPIs. You think that's strength. Here is the reality: that isn't resilience. It's just endurance. Endurance is what happens when you've decided to white-knuckle the steering wheel of a car that's already on fire. You aren't thriving; you're just not dead yet. But your nervous system keeps a ledger, and eventually, the debt comes due. In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Suzanne Song—a Harvard and Stanford trained psychiatrist who has operated in actual conflict zones. She's seen the difference between people who are simply surviving and those who are actually anchored. She knows that a high-achiever who is disconnected from their own physiology is just a high-performance liability waiting for a crash. Here is the promise: We are moving past the "mindset" fluff. We are talking about the actual mechanics of how to stop the sympathetic hijack and rebuild your agency from the inside out. We dive deep into: The Endurance Trap: Why the skills that got you to the C-suite are the same ones currently melting your gears. Somatic Tells: How to identify the physical "glitches" in your body before they manifest as a boardroom meltdown. The Three Friends of Winter: Using narrative, ritual, and purpose to create a biological anchor in a chaotic environment. Editing the Story: Why your brain filters trauma to protect you, and how to stop repeating the same destructive patterns. Anchored Leadership: How to operate with zero friction by aligning your values with your physiological state. Stop trying to "optimize" a dysregulated system. It doesn't work. Pay attention to the mechanics, or prepare for the collapse.   www.suzansong.com

    1.    Consistency is Unpredictable   Consistency is not about performing the same way every day; it's about showing up in some capacity, regardless of the amount of effort.   Why it matters   Believing this allows professionals to sustain their efforts over time without the pressure of perfection, leading to long-term success.   In practice   Instead of feeling discouraged after a low-energy day, acknowledge that any small effort contributes to progress, like stacking bricks of varying heights each day rather than expecting uniformity.       2.    The Cycle of Stopping   The tendency to stop completely after missing a day or two is a prevalent cycle that undermines progress.   Why it matters   Recognizing this cycle encourages individuals to pick up where they left off instead of starting over, preserving momentum.   In practice   Instead of abandoning a project after a missed deadline, professionals should focus on incremental returns to the task, mitigating the all-or-nothing mindset.       3.    Energy is Finite, Efforts are Flexible   You can't give more than 100% of your energy, and that's okay; it's about the effort you can muster at any given time.   Why it matters   Accepting that energy levels fluctuate helps individuals prioritize their tasks without feeling guilty or overwhelmed.   In practice   On days when energy is low, professionals can still make progress by committing to smaller tasks that align with their capacity, like dedicating a few minutes to brainstorming rather than executing a full project.       4.    Momentum is Frictionless in Space   In a frictionless environment, each small push adds to momentum rather than losing energy, akin to consistency in personal development.   Why it matters   This perspective emphasizes that even small efforts accumulate and propel growth, encouraging continuous action despite setbacks.   In practice   Think of progress as ionic propulsion, where each little achievement builds upon the last, allowing for exponential growth over time, rather than relying solely on big pushes.  

Learn how to declutter your mind and manifest your dreams with five actionable strategies from expert manifestation coach Cindy Kohler. Understand why emotional clarity matters for achieving lasting success in your life. In today's fast-paced world, many people find themselves overwhelmed by emotional clutter—past experiences, limiting beliefs, and negative thoughts that inhibit their ability to manifest their desires. Have you ever felt stuck, unable to move forward despite knowing what you want? In this post, you'll learn how to clear that emotional clutter and set the stage for effective manifestation with insights from Cindy Kohler, one of Australia's leading manifestation coaches. With over 40 years of experience in education, business, and wellness, Cindy combines mindfulness, neuroscience, and identity transformation to help individuals unlock their potential. Step 1: Recognize the Need for Clarity Why this matters: Emotional clutter stems from past experiences and beliefs that cloud our judgment and inhibit our progress. How to do it: Start by acknowledging your current emotional state. Reflect on what feelings or beliefs are holding you back. Example: Cindy emphasizes the importance of observing your thoughts without judgment. For instance, if you find yourself thinking, "I can't achieve my goals," take a moment to question that thought and its validity. Common mistake: Many people ignore their feelings, thinking they can just push through. However, ignoring emotional clutter only exacerbates the problem. Step 2: Practice Mindfulness Why this matters: Mindfulness helps you become aware of your thoughts and emotions, allowing you to address them rather than suppress them. How to do it: Incorporate daily mindfulness practices such as meditation or deep breathing exercises. Spend a few minutes each day focusing on your breath and observing your thoughts without judgment. Example: Cindy shares that her journey into mindfulness began at age 21, and it has been a cornerstone of her approach. This practice has helped her and her clients recognize emotional patterns. Common mistake: Skipping mindfulness practices when busy. Remember, even a few minutes can make a difference in your mental clarity. Step 3: Empty the Drawer Why this matters: Just like a cluttered drawer can't hold new items, emotional baggage can prevent you from manifesting your goals. How to do it: Identify and release negative beliefs and emotions. Use journaling as a tool to express and then let go of these feelings. Write down what no longer serves you and physically discard it. Example: Cindy advocates for this metaphorical 'emptying' as a crucial step before starting any new manifestation work. It's about making space for new opportunities. Common mistake: Holding onto old beliefs out of comfort or familiarity. Challenge yourself to let go of what doesn't serve your growth. Step 4: Reframe Your Thoughts Why this matters: Your beliefs shape your reality. By reframing negative thoughts, you can create a more empowering narrative. How to do it: When you catch yourself thinking negatively, ask, "Is this actually true?" and then create a more positive statement. For example, change "I can't do this" to "I am learning and growing every day." Example: Cindy often asks her clients, "Is that belief empowering you?" If not, it's time to let it go. This practice encourages a shift from limiting beliefs to empowering ones. Common mistake: Accepting negative thoughts as truth without questioning them. Step 5: Take Action Towards Change Why this matters: Awareness without action leads to stagnation. Taking steps toward change is essential for effective manifestation. How to do it: Set small, achievable goals that align with your new mindset. Celebrate your progress, no matter how small it may seem. Example: Cindy emphasizes that the discomfort of change is normal. By taking small steps and recognizing each achievement, you build momentum. Common mistake: Getting overwhelmed by the bigger picture. Focus on incremental changes instead. Conclusion Emotional clutter can significantly impact your ability to manifest your desires. By recognizing the need for clarity, practicing mindfulness, emptying your emotional drawer, reframing your thoughts, and taking actionable steps toward change, you can create a clearer path toward your goals. Remember, it's often the small changes that lead to significant transformations. Want to dive deeper into manifestation techniques? Check out Cindy Kohler's upcoming book, "Manifest You: How to Step into the Future, You to Change Everything" for more insights and strategies. Frequently Asked Questions What is emotional clutter? Emotional clutter refers to the negative thoughts and beliefs that accumulate over time, hindering personal growth and manifestation. How can mindfulness help with manifestation? Mindfulness allows individuals to become aware of their thoughts and emotions, enabling them to address and release what no longer serves them in their manifestation journey. What does it mean to "empty the drawer" in a manifestation context? "Emptying the drawer" means releasing old beliefs and emotional baggage to create space for new opportunities and desires. How can I reframe my negative thoughts? To reframe negative thoughts, question their validity and replace them with positive affirmations that empower you. Why is taking action important in the manifestation process? Taking action reinforces new beliefs and propels you toward your goals, transforming awareness into tangible results.  resources mindgarage.com.au - https://mindgarage.com.au Cindy Kohler's Email - [email protected]  

In today's fast-paced world, the concept of "following your bliss" often gets misconstrued. Many people equate it with hedonism or a reckless pursuit of pleasure. However, as Brandon G Handley articulates in his recent reflection, following your bliss is about discovering what truly lights you up and immersing yourself in the process of creation. This blog post delves into the essence of following your bliss, how it can lead to personal growth, and why embracing your passions matters more than the societal pressures of productivity. Understanding the True Meaning of Following Your Bliss Following your bliss, as suggested by Joseph Campbell, means pursuing what genuinely excites you and brings you joy. It's about connecting with your inner self and allowing your heart to guide you toward activities that inspire and fulfill you. Brandon shares a pivotal insight: this journey is not about immediate gratification or hedonistic pleasures, but about engaging in activities that resonate with your true self. The Creative Process: A Path to Joy Engaging in creative activities, whether cooking, writing, or crafting, offers a unique avenue for self-expression. Brandon reflects on his experience of creating thyme sea salt inspired by a gift from his family. This journey of creation, from gathering ingredients to sharing the final product, exemplifies how following your bliss leads to joy and satisfaction. The act of creation can put you into a state of flow, where the process becomes as rewarding as the outcome. The Importance of Feedback in Creative Pursuits Feedback plays a crucial role in honing your craft. Brandon shares his experience of creating horoscopes, emphasizing the iterative process of refining his work based on feedback. This openness to critique not only enhances the quality of the creation but also enriches the experience for both the creator and the audience. The key takeaway here is the importance of viewing feedback as a valuable tool for growth rather than a deterrent. Beyond Productivity: The Emotional Rewards of Creation In a society that often measures success by productivity and financial gain, it's essential to remember the emotional rewards of following your bliss. Brandon highlights that the satisfaction derived from creating something meaningful can be just as important, if not more so, than monetary success. This perspective encourages readers to engage in creative activities for the joy they bring rather than the potential for financial gain. Conclusion: What Will You Create? Following your bliss is a personal journey that invites you to explore your passions without the constraints of societal expectations. Whether you find joy in cooking, writing, or any other form of creative expression, the key is to immerse yourself in the process. As you engage with your passions, you may discover new aspects of yourself and cultivate a deeper sense of fulfillment. Key Takeaways Follow Your Heart: Discover what genuinely brings you joy and pursue it. Embrace the Creative Process: Engage in activities that allow for self-expression and creativity. Welcome Feedback: Use constructive criticism to refine your work and grow. Value Emotional Rewards: Recognize the intrinsic value of creating for the sake of joy, not just productivity.

Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner doesn't do small talk. Fifty-one years in private practice. Forty-five thousand statistical cases. A PhD from Chicago that taught her the map is not the territory — especially when the territory is the human soul. She sat across from me and told me about the voice. 1974. Transcendental Meditation. A voice in her head that said: Go to Osho's ashram. She laughed at it. Called it woo-woo. She'd already seen enough fake gurus in her Jungian training — professors waxing poetic about numinous experiences who'd never had a single one. "Have you ever had one?" she asked them. Silence. That told her everything. But the voice persisted. She went to India. Alone. Single woman, 1978. A client handed her Osho's book at the gate — same birthday. Coincidence? She doesn't believe in them. She took sannyas. Got a new name: Madhava Asangaro. Divine inconsistency. Osho nailed her in one look. Then she met Marvin. Sitting next to her at a lecture. Same neighborhood in Pacific Palisades. Same circle of healers. Never met. He'd walked away from a chief-of-medicine gig because he couldn't stomach herd medicine. She set a boundary at dinner — he played games with the check, she walked. He chased her. Forty-eight years later, still chasing. Here's where it gets sharp. Ra Uru Hu, founder of Human Design, asked her to validate his system. She ran thirty thousand cases through the grinder. The result? "It's a faulty system. Incomplete. Erroneous. Disempowers people." Five types, not four. Projectors aren't here to wait for recognition — they're here to recognize themselves first. That's the difference between a cage and a compass. She built Noble Energy Maps instead. Eight charts. Starts three months before birth. The only system that treats the prenatal window as sacred architecture. Four worlds — physical, emotional, mental, spiritual — mapped from Kabbalah, I Ching, astrology, and the Tree of Life. Psychology has no language for soul, she says. Dreams are symbolic. The waking mind is sensory. Soul speaks in questions with no visual cues: What do you know now? What do you want? When? Her prescription is brutally simple: morning time with yourself. Gratitude journal with "because" statements — science backs it, cortisol drops, healing accelerates. If you won't give yourself time, why should anyone else? This episode isn't about feel-good spirituality. It's about the architecture of a life that works. The woman who walked into darkness and found light. The psychologist who tested the map against the territory and built a better one. Listen if you're done with borrowed wisdom. Listen if you want the blueprint.   Learn more today:  https://nobleenergywellness.com/  

I just got out of a breathwork session with about 20 people. Twenty different stories. Twenty identities they were dragging around. And nobody in that room needed me to argue with the story. They needed a space in between who they think they are and who they're actually becoming. That's what this episode is about. We're talking about psychological safety — not the buzzword HR version, but the real shit. The kind of safety that lets your nervous system stop scanning for lions long enough to build something new. Because here's the thing: you can't rewire yourself from survival mode. You can't vision-board your way out while your body thinks the mortgage payment is a tiger. I break down why high performers stay stuck with a thousand browser tabs open in their subconscious. Why your brain keeps running worst-case scenarios on autopilot. And how breathwork can shift you from "what if this fails" to "here's how this works" — using your body to change your mind, not the other way around. We also touch the four-minute mile. Roger Bannister. And the guy who just ran a whole marathon at a four-minute-mile pace. Because the impossible becomes regular the second somebody proves it's possible. If you're ambitious, exhausted, and tired of your own mental loops — this one's for you. Talk soon.

Katie Cluff didn't plan to spend her life in recovery work. She planned to design interiors. She worked at Baskin-Robbins as a teenager, serving ice cream, dreaming of something different. Then life happened. Her father had 35 years of sobriety. She didn't. She fought the diagnosis for years — "I didn't want to be an alcoholic like my dad." But denial isn't a solution, and by her early twenties, Katie found herself in treatment. The first of many attempts. "For the first several years, I think I was doing it for my dad and not for me." That changed when she had a spiritual awakening during a family dynamics lecture. She saw herself — really saw herself — and for the first time, accepted that she was an alcoholic. Today, Katie is employee #5 at Recovery Centers of America. She's been with the organization since the vision phase in 2014, before the first center opened in 2017. She was there for the first call. The first patient. The first miracle. Now RCA has 12 inpatient treatment centers, and Katie is still answering her phone at midnight. The Consciousness Scale: Brandon's Framework Meets Katie's Work During the conversation, Brandon introduces a "map of consciousness" developed by David Hawkins — a logarithmic scale running from 0 to 1,000 that maps human emotions from shame (20) up to enlightenment (700-1,000). Courage sits at 200. Below that threshold, people are trapped in fear, grief, and apathy. They can't see a way out. Change feels impossible. But at 200 — courage — things open up. Possibility emerges. Someone in that state can finally pick up the phone. "Once you have courage and you step into it, because it's scary, change is scary... it takes some courage to step into the unknown." The problem: courage is fragile. Someone can be at 200 in the morning and back down to 100 by noon. Fear rushes back. Doubt creeps in. Here's what Katie and the RCA team do to keep people in that state of courage long enough to actually take action: How RCA Keeps Callers in a State of Courage When someone calls RCA, they're in a fragile state. They've maybe hit a bottom — a DUI, a relationship falling apart, a moment of raw honesty with themselves. But that moment can evaporate fast. Here's how Katie and the RCA team hold the space: Urgency without pressure — "We need to move fast, but we're not going to rush you." Compassionate tone — "I understand. I've been there." Non-judgment — "No matter how many times you've been before, I'm glad you're alive." Vulnerability — "I'll sometimes share my own experience. I tell them: I've lost everything too." Presence — Sometimes there are no words. Sometimes presence is the whole message. The Eagles Partnership: Breaking Stigma One Tailgate at a Time RCA partnered with the Philadelphia Eagles for a sober tailgate event — and the response was overwhelmingly positive. "The majority of comments were really positive and really pumped. People were saying: this is great for the Eagles, this is great for recovery." The goal isn't to convert people into recovery. It's to normalize it. To show that you can go to a sporting event, have fun, be part of the crowd — without drinking. The alcohol industry has taken an $800 billion hit in recent years. Sober bars are opening. Mocktail culture is trending. The tide is turning. But for people in active addiction, "Miller Time" still feels like the only option. RCA's job is to show them another way. Staff Growth at RCA — From Housekeeper to Executive One of the things Katie is most proud of at RCA: watching staff members grow. There's a man who started as a housekeeper, changing sheets and cleaning rooms. Today he's in a leadership role. Another employee started slicing deli meat at the grocery store. Katie hired him as a recovery support specialist. He became an admissions coordinator. Her nephew started answering phones. Today he's a vice president. "It takes a special individual. It takes a special individual's heart to do this work." RCA doesn't just hire for credentials. They hire for "why." Why do you want to do this work? If the answer isn't coming from a place of service, the job will break you. The Nephew Story — Answering the Call That Was Meant for You Five years ago, Katie's nephew called her. His roommate had overdosed. Katie dropped everything, drove to the apartment, and sat with him. She let him stay on her couch for four days. She didn't have the right words. Nobody does in those moments. But she didn't leave. Today, her nephew has almost 10 years of sobriety. "I was supposed to answer that phone call. I was supposed to. None of the meetings that day mattered anymore." That's the work. Not dramatic. Not glamorous. Just showing up. Being present. Answering the call. You don't have to have it all figured out. You just have to be brave enough to call. https://recoverycentersofamerica.com/

Listen. A former Israeli submarine commander walked into a boardroom at 31 with a hundred million dollar company behind him, and the first thing he told the room wasn't a strategy. It was this: "People who succeed don't try. They know." Here's the reality. You're not burning out because the market is tough. You're not losing deals because the competition is sharp. You're white-knuckling the steering wheel of a car that's already on fire, and the fire isn't external. It's the friction between what you think you know and what's actually true. Meir Ezra is the guy handing out gas masks in a chemical fire. Ex-Navy. Built a $100M empire by 31. Runs 24 companies across 27 countries. Coached over 10,000 people. And his message is the most dangerous one you'll hear this year: Your experience is your biggest enemy. Your mind is a hard drive of limitations. And the only competitive advantage left is learning how to delete it. Pay attention. This isn't "mindset" content. This is biological mechanics for the high-performer who's been vibrating with low-level panic for a decade and calling it hustle. Regulation isn't self-care. It's the only competitive advantage you have left before your heart decides it's done with you. In this episode, you'll learn: Why knowledge equals control equals income—and why you've been operating on bad knowledge your entire career The "fake reality" trap—the thing you're 100% sure is correct, but it isn't bringing the expected result How to actually learn—because if you didn't get 100% in what you learned, you got garbage The physics of the spirit vs. the mind—why energy work is still physical, and what "the mind" actually is Why cause lives in the future, not the past—and how that one inversion rewires your entire operating system The "virtuous loop" of pricing and value—why paying nothing creates a criminal, and paying too little creates stagnation The deal isn't closed by force. It's closed by the guy who isn't vibrating with low-level panic. And the panic? That's just nervous system debt. That's biological bankruptcy. That's your past running your future on a loop you never consented to. Stop trying. Start knowing. Your solvency depends on it. https://www.gprosperity.com/about  

What happens when the ultimate spreadsheet brain meets the ultimate anabolic heart? In this episode of Spirit of the Deal, we're breaking down the recent sit-down between Alex Hormozi and Tony Robbins. While the rest of the internet was busy pulling out marketing tactics and funnel hacks, we're looking at the actual juice—the psychology, the ethos, and the stark contrast in their operating systems. We explore the "Dark Engine" of push motivation, the trap of sacrificing happiness just to be "useful," and why a comfortable background can sometimes force you to manufacture a hollow drive. Tying it all back to The Science of Getting Rich and Marianne Williamson's Law of Divine Compensation, the reality is simple: if you put out mechanical, transactional energy, you get a highly transactional bank account. Stop operating strictly out of duty. Tune in to find out how to shift from your "Analytical" brain to your "Anabolic" heart, and why finding a "pull" motivation—an anchor greater than yourself—is the only way to avoid winning the game but losing your soul. In this episode, we cover: The Vintage, Vineyard, and Varietal: Why your background dictates your drive. The Dark Engine: Building an empire on anger vs. contribution. The Trap of "Useful": Why Hormozi's "f*ck happiness" mantra leads to apathy. Push vs. Pull Motivation: Why willpower always runs out, and how to find the anchor that pulls you forward. Analytical vs. Anabolic: Choosing which version of yourself gets to negotiate your deals.   Resources Tony Robbins Alex Hormozi The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace D. Wattles Marianne Williamson's Law of Divine Compensation

In this conversation, Danny Yepez, co-founder and co-CEO of Behold Retreats, shares his journey from energy innovation to facilitating transformative plant medicine experiences. He discusses the importance of plant medicine in gaining clarity and perspective, addressing skepticism, and targeting leaders and change makers for transformation. The conversation delves into the rigorous process of preparation and integration necessary for participants, the societal stigma surrounding psychedelics, and the practical benefits of these experiences. Danny emphasizes the significance of trust and readiness in the journey of self-discovery and healing through plant medicine. takeaways Danny transitioned from energy innovation to plant medicine after a personal awakening. He emphasizes that plant medicine is about gaining clarity, not escaping life. Skepticism about plant medicine often stems from misunderstanding its purpose. Targeting leaders and change makers can amplify the impact of transformation. The process of transformation includes rigorous preparation and integration. Integration is crucial for lasting change after the plant medicine experience. Societal stigma around psychedelics is decreasing as they gain mainstream acceptance. Practical benefits of plant medicine include enhanced clarity and intuition. Trust is essential for participants to fully engage in the process. Plant medicine has been used for centuries and is becoming more accessible. Connect with Danny and his team https://www.behold-retreats.com/

summaryIn this enlightening conversation, Dr. Jeannie Comeau shares her journey from corporate leadership to holistic life coaching, emphasizing the importance of purpose over profit in business. She discusses the shift from fear-based management to a more compassionate and purpose-driven leadership style, highlighting the role of metaphysics in understanding individual strengths and fostering team dynamics. Dr. Comeau envisions a future where businesses prioritize the betterment of humanity, driven by the younger generations' values and cosmic energies. takeaways Leadership should not be fear-based but purpose-driven. Success is not solely earned through education. Fear drives executive decisions more than vision. Operating from scarcity leads to a loss of human potential. Managers play a crucial role in implementing a leader's vision. Understanding individual strengths enhances team productivity. Metaphysics can inform leadership and personal growth. Adding value to others is a core motivation for leaders. The future of business will focus on purpose over profit. Younger generations are driving a new business paradigm. Chapters 00:00 Spiritual Speed Dating: Leadership Insights 01:51 The Shift from Fear to Purpose in Leadership 05:45 The Role of Managers vs. Leaders 09:52 Metaphysics and Leadership: A Personal Journey 19:47 Adding Value: The Core of Purposeful Living 24:38 The Future of Business: A Shift Towards Humanity 28:46 Meta Business: Redefining Success and Profit Where to connect with Jeanne?   https://jeannecomeau.com/  

The Diagnostic: Why Your "Success" Hardware is Glitching Out Most high-performers think they have a strategy problem. They don't. They have a system failure. In this session of Spirit of the Deal, systems architect Ron Stotts breaks down why your current "success" is actually a high-speed collision with a glass ceiling. Stotts isn't here to hold your hand or talk about your "journey"; he's here to tell you that the survival hardware you installed as a child is currently sabotaging your quarterly returns. The Biological Bottleneck The central insight is simple: You are grinding yourself into the dirt because you're running a 1985 operating system on 2024 hardware. Stotts, a Marine Corps veteran and former corporate exec, diagnosed the exact moment his own system crashed—nearly deleting his own source code in the woods before realizing that "trying" is a low-bandwidth behavior. Real power doesn't come from effort; it comes from system maintenance and vagal tone training. Key Takeaways for the Executive Suite: The Amygdala Hijack: Most leaders are being piloted by their emotional centers. If you're reactionary, you're not leading; you're experiencing sympathetic activation. You need to shift the "CEO role" back to your prefrontal cortex. Integrated Whole-Brain Thinking: Left-brain logic is a tool, not a master. To double productivity, you need to build an "Alpha Bridge" between brain frequencies. This isn't "mindfulness"—it's bandwidth expansion. The Comfort Zone Kill-Switch: Staying in your comfort zone requires you to stop breathing. Biologically, if you aren't evolving, your hardware is degrading. Your "safety" is actually a dorsal collapse in disguise. Vagal Tone Training: If you aren't regulated, you're disconnected. Regulation protocols (breathwork) are the only way to clear the cache of childhood "saboteurs" that are currently tanking your deals. The Stakes: Regulate or Redline The emotional stakes are binary: You can continue to operate in a state of system failure—feeling "stuck," "uncertain," or "burned out"—or you can undergo a system upgrade. Your biology is the bottleneck. When you're dysregulated, you project mistrust and anxiety, and guess what? The market mirrors that energy right back at you. The Bottom Line: Stop trying to "find yourself" and start upgrading your operating system. If you're a high-achiever who has checked all the boxes but still feels like the hardware is glitching, it's time for a diagnostic consultation. Your business won't outgrow your nervous system. Fix the internal architecture, and the profits will follow. Now get to work.   Connect with Ron over on his website: RonStotts.com

Brandon Handley 0:00 So there's a story about a farmer, and Africa. And he wants to go seek his fortune. He's really tired of feeding his sheep taking care of his sheep and wandering them around all over the place, and making sure that they're taken care of. He doesn't feel any type of gratitude, and he feels like everyone he talks to. They're finding diamonds, they're mining diamonds, and they're making their fortune. So one day, he decides, you know what, I want to sell my farm, I want to go and seek diamonds. Myself, I think that I think that I should be seeking diamonds, as well. And so he finds a buyer, he finds a buyer for his farm, finds a buyer for his farm. He's all happy he prepares himself gets his money provisions. And he heads out to seek his fortune. Years go by the farmer, He's happy. He's enjoying his life. And he keeps seeking his diamonds. He knows that one day he'll find them. The person who just bought the farm, He's happy. He's always wanted to be tending to sheep. And he's always wanted his own farm. They both have what they're looking for. And the farmer who has bought the farm, he's able to now sit and enjoy his life. Meanwhile, the farmer turned minor. He's out there seeking, he won't stop seeking, he continues to look everywhere he can in order to find these diamonds. Here years go by the farmer has been successful with his farm. He's had his herds. He's, he's enjoyed his life. He has enjoyed the farm that he bought. And he's enjoyed raising animals here in them and providing the community providing for the community. The Miner never quite found the mine that he was looking for. He never struck it rich, he never found the diamond field that he was looking for. And on this very same day, as the miner was passing away, leaving this earth, the new farmer, the farmer that I bought the property that had lived his life of serving his community. With the farm that he purchased, he stumbled across a rather odd looking rock and his stream next to his farm. A pens down he picks it up, because I wonder what this is. And he goes and he takes the rock takes it over to somebody who specializes in stone genealogists or whatever. And that guy's like, wow, you have found an amazing diamond. That's an amazing time and so on this very same day that the minor passes away. And he turned turns out that the farm that he had sold had been what he was seeking all this time turned out to be exactly what it was he'd been looking for his entire life. On the name of that story, it's a I think there's a real long book on that one name of it is called diamonds in the backyard, you've probably heard me talk about it before for I think about it offense. I think about it often. I want to take this camera a second here today. I'm literally how far away am I from my house? I have no idea how to get the camera here. Let me see if I can do it. So it turns out that we always hear without touch turn like that, right? We kind of always have what we're looking for, even though we don't know exactly what that is. Right? For me. I'm always like man, I would love to have a place to stream I'd love to have a river. I would love to have all these things. I'd love to have a great yard where I can just you No, go take the kids and go play an open field health field. Even cooler is if I didn't have to take care of it. Right? If I had a gardener, right, and not even that, I think that's another one of the things that when you think about it, not even not even not even that. Because if I think I need to have a gardener, and if I think it's gonna be in a specific way, that's all that's the only way that I'll ever see it, because the only way they'll ever recognize it. Now. Here I am today, I just shared some pictures with you sitting over here, right next to the school river. I am alone as can be. And it's just absolutely gorgeous, beautiful day. And this is about two minutes from my house. Two minutes were renting, right two minutes from where we're renting, because we didn't want to buy right now. And within two minutes from where we're renting, there's this park right behind me, which you can't see because I'm behind the barrier, which nobody comes down here. I'm sitting on a riverbank. And at this park, there's a volleyball net, there's a wide open field, there's a pavilion, there's electricity, there's 5g, I'm right next to the river I'm in I've got exactly what I've always been looking for, except for I always thought that like it had to be done in a certain way. I've got x, I can use this river anytime I want to go fishing, do whatever I want. And so it brought to mind the story of diamonds, diamonds should get for hanging out by the water. It brought brought to mind that story of diamonds in your own backyard. Because there's a good chance that you want something that you've already got, there's a good chance that you feel like it has to be done in a certain way. Yet, in all honesty, whatever it is that you're actually looking for, already exists. And you've already got it. And you're striving so hard to get this thing that you've already got. But you never really recognized it right? How do you recognize the abundance of what you've already got? How do you recognize the fact of the truth of the matter that what you're looking for is already within the palms of your hands or beneath your feet, as it were, as I'm sitting here on the ground and got this third here. And I've got these birds, and it's just so beautiful and peaceful. Quiet. Like, unbelievable. So what are you looking for? Anything, maybe not everything that you're looking for, like, you know, sure I'd like some cool cars or something like that? And do I maybe I've already got them in some way that I'm just not thinking of but you know, maybe something a little less tangible. Again, like I've got this river, I've got this field, I've got these things, I've got these places that I've already been seeking continuously, but I've always had access to him. Why does it have to be I need onus, when I don't, hey, you never own it be? Why does owning it make a difference if you have access to it all times, and for what it's worth, is your taxpayer dollars. I mean, this is what I'm paying for it. I'm paying for somebody to keep this stuff up. I've got a gardener, I've got the things. So in a way, if I'm willing to look at it in that way. And if you're willing to look at it in a certain way, you've got a lot of the things that you've always been looking for. Except for you've got this and I've had this historically. And I'm not saying I don't anymore, got this certain way that we think that it has to happen. And if it doesn't happen that way, then then it's just not worth it. And I just don't want it that way. Why wouldn't want it that way? Why would I want it that way? For you, you either want it or you don't. And there's a willingness that you need to have to examine that. And this is I think, more of the idea of your life examined. Right. So examine your life, examine your wants, your needs, desires, and take a look around and see if see if out of all the things that you would like to have in your life. See if you don't already have arms See if that's something you already have. And for me, that's a huge hit of spiritual dope. I'm gonna click this off. I'm gonna do some breath work here, shoot some more video and do some and I'll see if you can hear I don't know if you'd be able to hear me you probably can't hear it. Let's see if you put it on the microphone Cesar vibrates I got my tuning forks here right I'm gonna give myself a full on tune up today. And just enjoy this nature enjoy this piece and resonate with the fact and the truth that I've got already got what it is that I've been looking for. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

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Brandon Handley 0:00 Hey, what is going on spiritual dope? I am I'm hesitating, it's really interesting to find that the podcasts I've recorded are taking me so long to put out. And it's funny, because it hasn't always been that way. And the reason, there's no real good reason, but I'd have to say that what I find interesting, I think that one of the reasons for this is I'm a little scared, a little fearful. I'm a little, it's not exactly what I wanted it to be. I'm sure that it will be enough. I knew that it will be enough. The thing is, and I think that you will find this so long, your own journey is not exactly what I wanted it to be. So I just don't want to take that step, which I know is just kind of BS, also, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, it's a lot of work to put it together. And I'm just curious, you know, for myself, what, what kind of effort to I believe is necessary for all of this, to, to kind of have that right message set out to do the right thing. To be inspired to be driven to be motivated, but not to be zealous, overzealous, I would I guess, I would say it's a little bit of zeal is, is okay. But I thought that I would share that with you that, in all honesty, there are parts of me that are intimidated right now. Because I've let myself get in my own head. And I share that because anyone could be on that journey, you could be on your journey. And I share it because geez, what, four or five years now worth of podcasting. And here, here I'm finding a little bit of fear along the journey simply because I pause for a moment, simply because I don't want to let who down? Right, in reality is I feel like I'm letting myself down a little bit. Because again, it's not exactly where I would have liked to have been, specifically right now with this podcast. And, you know, as I'm saying it out loud right now, I'm also reminded of, you know, here's where you are now. And, you know, five years ago, or, or whatever, at any point in time, you know, I'm right, exactly where I wish I had been, could be. And of course, now we find ourselves where we wanted ourselves to be, and find that that isn't what we wanted. That's part of the journey, I suppose, part of part of the growth part of this efforting part of us being so you know, personally judgment, self critical, all that other jazz. And I'm also saying this to want to stop by. So it happens to be that I think then that within the next month or so is the two year anniversary of the podcast. So I'll begin at that point in time to release some it just so happens to coincide. And I'm going to actually set a date. Because that's those are some other things that happened. With our dreams with our realities with with all things if we don't set a date, if we don't put something in mind. It doesn't matter how long it takes to get there. And sometimes that's okay. I'm not saying that that's not okay. But we we lose some type of drive, we lose some type of something, we lose the momentum. And I'm reminded of the late great Zig Ziglar. And I'm not sure where he got this from I'm sure he got this from someone himself. We lose the intent. It's it's called the law of diminishing intent. You know, we have this intention, we have this desire. And when we first feel it, that's when you strike while the iron is hot. That's where that comes from. You strike while the iron is hot, you strike while you're hot. It's true, you know, then because you've got that passion and everything going on with it. And the law of diminishing intent, says that, you know, over time, you're going to lose the intention to do XYZ. So that's all me a little bit there, right? I I interrupted myself, I slowed down that intent. purposely let go of some of the momentum. And that was done to create and do a format, to deviate from what I had been doing to do what I believe, to be an improvement over what I've already been doing and in, in the desire to make it more palatable to you. The listener was to put this into some type of packaging, some type of easy to consume recognizable thing. And the funny thing about that is, is that I've got another listener, she reached out to me after going through a fair amount of the catalog. And she said, Well, did you did you create these? No, what she said, she said, this is interesting, because I was able to go through and listen to all these and each person had a different perspective, a similar story, and they were able to kind of share it out. Because was it your intent? To do it that way? So that, that was varied, but similar, so that there were these multiple stories that resonated over time with with the listener? And I said, Yeah, you know, that was that was exactly, that was exactly. And so it was really cool that that intention came through. And it's my hope that this next, this next bit comes through the intention to put like a stamp, as it were, on some of these next ones, categorize them a little bit more better. So that there is a point driven point a message, something we're trying to pull out of it right. When this next section of the podcasts has certain overtones, the first I'm thinking right now, I think the first one I'm just gonna do, I'm gonna lead with kind of what started these podcasts. And that was the the idea that, you prosperity, through spirituality. So there'll be a little stamp there. There's a, you know, four episodes, three or four episodes that we talk about prosperity through spirituality. There's going to be some episodes when we talk about energy work, breathwork, and spirituality, how do these kind of what are the intersection integration points of these things? And how can you harness them? In your story? How can you? If that's, and those are the things that are of interest to you along your journey? How do they play a part? And so be able to put those into sections so that the listener, you are able to go through and say, You know what, I've always been drawn to the breathwork side of things. How does this you know, how does this play a role in spirituality? We're gonna do psychedelics, how does that play a role in spirituality? Are they necessary? You know, what are some of the benefits? What are some of the not so great? And that? So as we come along, I think yeah, June 18. Is is the quote unquote, official date. Of of, of this. So look, look, the week of June 18. I'm also going to switch out the dates from putting these out on Sundays, and then the middle week, which will also make that challenging. That being said, I should have enough time, ladies and gentlemen, if I, if I play my cards, right to get some of these all finished up and posted and worked on, which I've actually been doing on in small batches, only to find myself frustrated, because some of them, you know, their challenges. There's some challenges with echoes, there's some challenges with just echo is really as the primary one or you gotta go through and find where maybe somebody dropped off because of a bad connection. Where does that fit back in. So there's a fair amount of effort that does go into these. As much as we'd like to get them all with one shot right from the beginning. We do have to do some editing, we do have to do some cut and paste. We do have to get creative. I think the funny one for me on in this process is yeah, there's an echo. But the good thing is that there's an echo the entire way through so I'm able to use one feed out of two feeds to create the entire podcast. I'm really curious how that's gonna end up coming out after I filter it and edit it and get it all through There were challenges like the videos didn't didn't, you know that video is not going to sync up. So not to cut that out there were challenges for some reason is technically adept as I am, I couldn't figure out getting my video to come on. So it's like, what the hell. But these are some of the challenges. And these are some of the areas also of opportunity to grow to try to understand to see where you are, this is, this is for me, this is a full on full growth thing for me to see where I am and all the process but I thought that I would share with you that you're mildly intimidated, right? I was like, what's what's the hesitation here. And at first glance, it looks like there's some fear and trepidation on my side. So you're not alone in whatever it is that you're facing. Regardless of whether you're new just getting started. Also like to share with you that this will pop up as it is for me throughout the things that you're going through. And as much as I love this, there's, there's a law here and there where it's like, Okay, what's the value? Where am I doing? And I'm gonna get going now is I have gotten caught in the storm. I'll actually let the storm play a little bit. I've actually purposely put myself in the storm just waiting for a moment for it to pass over me as my own little practice of symbolism driving into the storm so that I can hear the cacophony, the melody that's offered in it, and know that just like all other things, this too shall pass. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00 Ready? What do you think of that guys? That's the st. Seybold, meditation, Tibetan, Pan beaten brass and bowl that I got for Christmas, everybody Christmas. Finally, just figured that, since I'm into the energy work, the sound were meditation, I guess I'm a kind of an easy target. Now as I look over there, and I see that I've also got a bunch of crystals with a tuning fork too, that I can charge up. It's cool stuff, definitely enjoy it. But I always want to think about hitting that Tibetan singing bowl as we get going here. So wanted to catch up. As always listen, you know, there's a lot going on. I think that sometimes you see somebody and you see what they've been up to. And then next time you see them. Like something happened, maybe maybe you and I speak and and you already know that into this breath workspace. And then next time you talk to me, I tell you, hey, this thing happened. That I want it to happen. And it seems linear. Because when we tell these linear stories, or we tell stories, they kind of have to be time bound and linear. And it's not always that's not, that's how it looks on the outside. That's how it looks on the outside. So when we when we talk about this story, I want to share what's happened with me recently. And this is in relation to kind of stepping out beyond my comfort zone. And doing something I wish I could say was scared, I don't know that I was scared. Or you know that it was beyond my comfort zone. And I was concerned, it was beyond my comfort zone in the fact that it was something that I hadn't done before. Right. So I want to do this breath work and I want to reach out to people and I want to I want to have some impact. Meg and I have been talking and you certainly love to make money, doing the breath work paid money to do the course still paying paid for the course. But a big part of doing it is to do some give back to the community how can I actually serve others? And you know, make have an impact? Because I think that we want to be successful for sure. But how can we have a life of significance How can we impact others and in such a positive way that they are moved to be I hate saying their best selves, I don't want anybody there already that that best self art is kind of their as you may or may not know, vegan, I got an argument once upon a time. And she's just says, you know, you just see people for their potential, not as they are and 100% correct in that. And while it's not necessarily an insult, but the thing, the thing is, is like to see them as great as they are in the place that they are right now and recognize and reflect that to them versus Oh, you're wasting your potential kind of thing. And oh, here's, here's who you could be. And I think that was that was what she meant by that. I was breaking up with her. So So my thing is, is that I was what do I do next with this breath work? And how do I you know, and I'm not even thinking about this significant thing so much as I'm thinking about how can I give to the community? How can I do something without expectation? How can it be con anyways? A an idea that had been brewing in my mind for quite some time, and I hadn't taken any action on it. And the idea had been, what if I offer some of this breathwork these breathwork services to a recovery facility for people who are going through recovery, I reached out to my friend Dave, and I, you know, kind of ping ping the idea off of him. Said, Hey, I'm thinking about reaching out to these guys. Is this a good idea? Is this a fit? He's got 25 years of recovery and is active in AAA. So I said, Hey, and he's absolutely, absolutely 100% It's a fit. So, look, I don't have a card. I don't have an agenda. I don't have a pamphlet. I don't have a presentation. But I know this is something that can help others. I know that this is something that I can do. For someone who's going through the recovery process. Teach them not just the breath work tools, but the whole all these things that the transformational coaching and do this for people because when when they're and I've been in this space before I've gone into rehab Gee, I went into rehab and I was like 19, I've definitely gone through the process of, of quitting, quit drinking, what, five years ago, and I haven't had a drink. And it's not, it's not always easy without some of these tools to leverage. I would be hard pressed it would be, it'd be a real challenge for me. Sometimes I break. Sometimes I say to myself, Man, I told Mac, I said, I've said I've had like, you know what, sometimes it's just be easier. If I could just go grab a drink, say fuck it. And, you know, so much easier, right? But is that I, I don't do that. I rely on some of these tools. I do the breath work, I do the meditation, I go read I go exercise. I do the jujitsu and I stick to that there I say the plan. And I err, quote the plan. But these are the things if I continue to do that, then I wake up the next day, and I still respect myself for not, and I look, if you drink you drink, I don't care. But this is something this is for me. So I don't I don't have this. I don't have this kind of plan. Right to to share with the recovery center. But I do know what it's like to use these tools, and go through the process and use these tools to replace the drinking. To replace the we'll call it the addiction. And so I reached out, I don't want to call, right and here's the deal, nothing, nothing may come of this, right? It's simply I just want to go and do this because I'm so tired of living this life of what if so tired of, well, I can send an email and considering an email and effort. Right? Is an email an actual effort? I don't I don't think so. Personally, again, personally. But, and not being attached to results, right. So I all I know is that whatever is happening feels right. And you know, when I say feels right, and I used to I use the terminology of follow your bliss, and some people that call or you got to watch it when you say follow your bliss. I don't mean going out and getting high and getting fucked up and going and having sex with everybody, anybody you whatever, that's not bliss. Okay, that's I don't know what I don't know, what are they? hedonism, right? Yeah, there's a fine line, I think between like following your bliss, which is what fuels right in your heart. versus less go get fucking on that kid in the corner of fucked up and I want as long as it's a different story, right? It's a different, different space. So I'm feeling I'm feeling I'm feeling like this is my bliss, I'm feeling like this is, you know, this is the call get get in and go do this thing. No call to. To to the group of people. It's raining, it's crappy out, I'm going to a city that is one of the highest murder murders per violent crimes per square mile or whatever. And I just get in the car and I go, it's an hour away from home. And I have no idea what the outcome is going to be all I know is I've got this feeling. And it's something that I feel like I should be done. So I get in the car, I drive down there. And the whole time I'm like, you know, expecting to speak to kind of like the house manager or a person and just go in there and say, Hey, not sure if you guys are using breathwork as part of the recovery system, some of the tools for your guys in here and gals. And if you're not Would you be open to it and just kind of list off a few of the benefits and you know, have a conversation and offer it free of charge. Because this is an opportunity to give to some people that have gone through some shit, man if you've never faced an addiction or had an addiction or had let go of something that was your crutch was your thing. Oh, and for a lot of these people. That's the entire lifestyle. That's it. That's all that's happening in their lives. So you take that away, you take away their identity, you take away their friends, you set them on this path that they're so uncertain of. Scary, scary. So I find the place. And, you know, I'm wearing flip flops somewhere in my standard standard gear. And I walk up to the door, ask if I got the right place. Okay, you got the right place to sit? Well, you know, is there somebody like our front desk? Or is there somebody I can talk to? They're like, wow, the owner, she was like, wow, that's even better. Right? Awesome. And I go in, and I meet the owner, super just like super cool guy. Very grateful presence is like super, he's super present, looking me in the eye the whole time. And, you know, even though he jumps right up to is in the middle of like another meeting. And I just say, Hey, man, I love your story. I love what it is that you're doing here. You know, I've gone through and fought my own demons in the past. And I just got a it's got to wonder it's funny, because I threw the question out there. I was like, Hey, man, you ever, like drive an hour just to go ask somebody a question. And I did. So that if you ever drive an hour, or just ask somebody a question, and he's like, Nah, man. I don't know about that. And so I said, you know, look, I'm just curious if you're familiar with breath work, and is that I didn't need to say finished, finished. Same breath work he has I totally use it. We don't do that here. And I was like, Yeah, well, that's why I'm here. I said, Would you be open to certified breathwork, practitioner and trainer? And I feel like there's a ton of benefits. He's like, Yeah, absolutely. I said, I'd love to come in and do this for your group. He's like, absolutely absolute. And he's like, Hey, Sam, thanks for coming down. And thanks for being here. How do we how do we even do this? He's like, Do you got a car? I only have a card. Right? And so he puts me in contact with the guy that runs the house, reach out to him long story longer. And he's like, Well, let me talk to the guys. We got a house meeting. And let me talk to them. And we'll see. We'll see if anybody's open to it. And I'm nervous, man, I'm like, oh, man, geez, you know, maybe, maybe nobody's gonna know, he didn't even know what breathwork was, you know, the house manager didn't tell me more about it. So I did. Tell him like, kind of all the benefits, how you get calm, how you get clarity, how you can, you know, pretty much calm yourself down and, you know, strengthen your core, you know, core self and get in touch. Be mindful. All these things? And he's like, alright, yeah, let me let me talk to the group, send me some stuff, some some links, talking about it some some links about how effective this practices for people in recovery as well. And I said, Well, you know, here you go. I'll follow up with you on Wednesday. And so I follow up with them, I fully expect him to just like kind of, you know, I'm nervous, right? I'm nervous the whole time. I'm just, I guess, anxious, anxious, uncertain, right? I'm just, you know, it's out of my hands. At that point, right. I'm just, it's out of my hands. I've done what I could do. And I'm sitting to think of myself, I'm like, Wow, maybe I should have done a little bit more to prepare and get that situation under, into a better place. present more materials, yada, yada. But in all turns out, that it's a go, and they're open to me coming down and presenting breathwork and working these guys through a session. And I want to be able to give these guys and gals, whoever whoever's in attendance, want to make sure they have the tools and give them these tools that they can use to go through their recovery. And I'm sharing this story not because not only because it's so I'm so excited about it, I'm thrilled to be able to do this in person, with some people that are men, if you're in recovery, you're going through this you are you headed in a whole new direction, right? Who you been isn't always who you're gonna be. And I think that's true for everybody, but nobody more so than people in recovery, because who they've been, has been, again that core identity that core to them for such a long period of time. That now they have to start start all over again. And hopefully this you know, it makes them stronger, you know, how do we present to to these guys, and give them those tools, but you know, so I get the opportunity to do all this. And again sharing this because even if you and I just talked and I said hey, you know, I started breathwork training and tomorrow I get to go to To teach it to people, the stuff in the middle. It's not linear, like I had no idea and the way that I was feeling I felt actually feels again, feeling the bliss feeling like I should just pick up and drive and go and just follow it. Like mags, like why shouldn't you call first as a cop, I'm just gonna go drive down there, no idea how it's gonna go. But I know, in my heart that if I go down there, and I get the opportunity to talk to somebody and have a one on one face to face, and just be honest, about my intention, chances are that much, much greater. I think because then you truly get to establish a connection, and I am doing it without. Without, there's a desired outcome, but I'm not attached to it, right. So if I go when I feel it, and the thing the other part of it was, like, even the reception of it felt like it was so it was received so well. And graciously, that I know that there's a need for this, and I can reach out to others now, just kind of that gave me the confidence to to consider reaching out to others. At any rate, you know, not linear, in that it can, it can happen. You know, it looks like a straight line on the outside the sort of straight line, but there's so many other things going on so many other variables that are in, you know, kind of my energy field that are happening in the universe that have to happen outside of me, in order for that to coincide. The owners like you know what, normally I'm, I'm never here, I just happen to be here. And I was like, wow, because like I just literally happen to hop in the car and go so look, whatever it is, your heart's calling, and you're feeling called to do I think that, you know, step into it, right. And don't expect linearity. Don't be thinking if you're feeling attached to the outcome, there's gonna be some fear and trepidation to do it. But do it knowing that you're coming from your own heart and from your own space and with grace and love and caring, and I think that in the end is gonna work out better than you ever could have possibly imagined. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope, I am chilling like literally in the middle of some some field right down the street from us where it was a farm converted into a park scenario. And it's it's crazy. It's not crazy. It's just great like here I am. It's a beautiful big blue sky. Perfect summer well not even summer spring breeze. Look at 5g I've got it's got 5g here, whether or not it's frying my brain, I don't know. But what I do know is that I'm in the middle of a field. grasses, just perfect. Maybe 60 some odd degrees, some as you can hear the birds and you just feel spring happening. And I'm getting ready to hop on with a few my buddies where we are talking about the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. Really good book so far really, really interested in it really great. One of the biggest takeaways for me so far has been a couple of nice takeaways so far. But the one of the biggest ones is the Bardo, which is this state of transition Bardot's or the states of transition where enlightenment can happen or awakening can happen. Have to go back and double check the specifics on that. Either way, one of those twos always always a cool thing. Except for so far, I think in the middle of it, especially the awakenings session or awakening, if you don't know what's going on, there's a little bit of being freaked out going on. And in that kind of mess the magic is happening right? You don't know when the middle of all that mess that the magic is happening. You just like this is a fucking mess. Bring that up. It's kind of interesting, a couple of couple of things. One thing is talking to another friend of mine, and just brought up the kind of idea of what's going on in your life. And he brought up the, I think, you know, the idea of turning into a butterfly. And there's a chrysalis state and of course we all know that the caterpillar precedes it all jotted down is like nobody really ever goes back and interviews the caterpillar. Right? Nobody goes back and, and checks the scene to say, it's almost like, I don't even know what you call it. Right? It's like that. You know what? I know that I'm done with this forum. I knows I'm done with this state of being and I'm ready for my transition. Like where is that fucking trigger? Like who does that? Where's that decision made? I'm done. I'm done being a caterpillar. You really can't first of all, maybe you could maybe be like, Hey, where are you going caterpillar on my way to you know morph. I'm on my way to destroy everything I've ever known ever been. So that I may become this this other things fluttery, fucking black guy. And I think about that because there's a guy another guy back in, when I first kind of got started in the space of just, you know, self development, and whatnot. You brought it up because nobody really wants to hear you going through your shit. Right? Nobody really wants to hear about you going through your shit. They just want to know how do you fix it? Because if you're still in this shit, people are just like, I'm in my shit to your and your shit. I'm in my shit. We're all in the sick. We're in the shit together. Right? I mean, you hear people say that. Hey, we're in this shit together. Nobody ever says you know you never hear somebody you know talking about being interviewed while you're in the shit. You hear about people you know kind of before they hit the shit. Oh, wow. They were great people this is how they were before then. Right? Oh, you know, Mary was fantastic until you know somebody spiked to drink one night after that it's all going to shift or Jerry was great until fucking you know we lost a job and then it all went downhill from there. Nobody see nobody ever talks to the person really, while they're going through the shit. Right? Oh yeah, but he rebounded and now he's great. Oh yeah, but she's rebounded in Nazareth What the fuck happened in the middle there happened in the chrysalis state because again, totally destroyed everything that ever was and that you don't really see that with I think humans too much a lot of times you'll run into somebody from high school or school or an old work colleague and that's pretty much the same as you remember. Maybe a couple quirks or differences or children. But for the most part, they're pretty much not not a whole lot has changed the butterfly. Completely different than the caterpillar like, I mean, two totally two totally different things, right. You don't go over there and say, Oh, hey, look, there's a baby butterfly over there. A butterfly being caterpillar. Like there's a caterpillar. There's a cocoon. There's a butterfly. So what happens in the middle there? And I think that that's, you know, I think that Unknown Speaker 6:23 some of those pieces that get lost some of those are the pieces that get lost we Brandon Handley 6:32 we love we love the rebound story. We don't really love to hear about like, kind of what went through the middle there like Oh, shit, man, I was freaking out. Oh, shit, man, this is really scary. Oh, shit, man. Like I was a mess. I wasn't really sure it was gonna work out. But you know, I just kept putting one foot in front of the other. And lo and behold, here I am. For you listen to this podcast. And you know, that a lot of the people that that are on the show, it's not linear, right? There's an idea. And even with that linearity, even if you've got the one person who's like, hey, in five years is where I'll be in my life. They've got the plan. They've got it all fucking worked out in five years. They're their whole fucking right. Right. But while it may appear linear, on the outside, I can guarantee that it was not the universe is not linear. promise you that. It's not linear. We know that it's possible for time to be reversed. Right and small, literally atomic units. So you know, what happens in the middle there? What happens in the chrysalis state what invokes the chrysalis state? Have you gone through it? Have you? Noticeably purposely intentionally said, I invoke the chrysalis state? And what happened in the middle there? Because I don't think we hear enough about that. We hear about the caterpillar, we hear about the butterfly. We never really, we don't interview the caterpillar after the fact we don't gave it's not possible. And we never really get to see kind of what's happening inside that chrysalis state outside of the fact that it's done in a safe space. Right. There's a wall there's a cocoon like that's hardened it's a chrysalis crystalline state even as it's becoming so love to hear any stories you've got as what was it like for you to invoke the chrysalis state? What was it like to be inside of it? Was it like coming out on the other side? In regards to linearity? What was that like? Hit me up Brandon at spiritual dope.co. We'll chat later. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00 He what's going on? Spiritual Dope. So what are we looking at? What are we looking at today? I had an I had somebody reach out to me that wanted to do a, a kind of activation meditation. And so I was like, Sure, set it up. And I did it recently and thought it was pretty cool. And part of the experience was that, you know, as you're sitting into the meditation as you're being guided, one of the things that you do, and I did was pull all the energy out that you've been sending out, right, call it all back. And that's great. Here's the deal. Not all of my energy that I send out, is amazing, right? There are definitely some moments throughout the day where I'm like, fuck this, that I shouldn't be doing this. Don't get me wrong. There's also plenty of moments where I'm like, Oh, I'm so grateful. Namaste, bitches. But a couple of things happen. Right? So, you know, what did come back to me. And it came back, like, immediately, during the meditation, were a couple of things that I kind of already do, or did or have sent out, right. So some of the energies that I sent out, showed up in the specific meditation. And what were some of those things, some of those things were the kind of like, when you're sitting in your meditation, and you're, maybe you're visualizing a light, you don't just visualize this kind of 180 degrees that you sit in front of you, right? You, me, you us we are radiant, beings, meaning that the energy that you send out doesn't just go forward, it goes around behind, beneath above, like, the frickin sun. Oh, like a light bulb. Any one of those things? Light bulb or a sun you choose. And so that was one of the things that she brought up in this meditation, I was like, wow, I know, I'm always that's exactly, you know, the guidance was to do that. And I was like, shit, that's the, that's exactly the way that you know, kind of, I see it. Another one of the pieces of guidance were like, go to the edge of the universe in your mind. Right. And here's like, the funny thing is, is that you can, is as vast as the universe is you can imagine sending your mind to the edges of universe. And that was the guidance. And that is something that I've sent out mentally, I've never said that stuff before it came back. Now, that's pretty cool stuff, the deal is, again, some time sending out some shit. And just kind of be mindful that I need to be more mindful that myself. So this does meditation made me realize, and again, you know, all the things that kind of you send out, come back. And definitely, absolutely visualize this as a torus field. If you're not familiar with the torus field, it's basically a doughnut of ever generating energy with you in the center of it. Imagine, if you will, when you look at the United States are not the United States, when they when you look at Planet Earth, and they show pictures of kind of the magnetic field, from north to south and how it goes around the planet and protects us or sends out you know, these kinds of energy fields, you do the same thing, I do the same thing, we do the same thing we are making, we're magnetic. Anyways, you know, our hearts send out magnetic field, that's been, you know that, that's the shift that gets calculated, right, that's the ship that gets captured. So that's what a torus field is. So the other piece about torus field those, since you're generating it, you're at the center. And when you generate it, it's the smallest piece, right? That's the smallest piece and then when you send it out, again, goes out kind of like a doughnut but but bigger and water. If you've seen the fields that surround the earth, just like that the earth is smaller than the magnetic field that it generates. You are the same way. You have these magnetic fields that you turn Right and that you've got polls on you. You're like a tiny dancers of different. You're, you're a pole dancer, you, you, you, you're the same way, right? You're sending out these, these, these fields as well. So we got to take this kind of stance of like, wherever you are. Just notice and this isn't like a police yourself, notice what you send out and take a look at em for what comes back. Notice what's showing up in your life. And see if you can kind of pinpoint where you think that might have originated from because you're sending it out. It's going out and it's like, I'm gonna go get you some friends, motherfucker, right? Like your thoughts. Like I'm sending out this one thought. But the one thoughts like, I know where there's a shit ton of these and I'll go out bring the whole game, right? It's kind of like, you know, the drunk guy that has wandering the streets and you lose them. You lose the drunk friend. And then when you finally catch up with them again, he's got like, fucking 20 other drugs with them. Right? Like, dude, they're all like, we're all coming back to the bars close. We're all coming back to your house. No, you are not. Yes, they are. Right? You're trying to stop like 20 Drunk people have come back to your house, it's like nine possible without the cops. Anyways, that's what's happening with your thoughts. Right? And so you want to send out like these kinds of, again, you know, these positive vibes, nice positive vibes, they don't have to even just be like, just thoughts. Like, imagine, you know, kind of like when you're doing a yoga practice, when you're trying to center yourself, and you're centering yourself and you're, you're feeling good, that's sending out good energy, you're doing it for the benefit of your body, mind and soul. Same thing with the breath practice, you're getting centered, you're, you're visualizing what you actually want to participate in. And, and you're doing these things. Without an attachment to the outcome, you're doing it just for, Unknown Speaker 7:10 excuse me at that moment. And being in that moment. Brandon Handley 7:15 So could you imagine, again, what kind of a you have these more positive thoughts? And again, these aren't positive thoughts and like, oh, you know, something bad just happened? And that's okay. It was no, it was meant to be type of thing. And again, that's even kind of weak. You know, just it's not spiritual, bypassing, it's not, you know, there are some shitty things that happen in life. Right. And, and the deal is, what are we learning from it? As a practice? That's where I'm trying to go here with this, though is, see where things are coming from? Something shows up in your life, the thing is, you sent that out? Where did it come from? How did that get back to you? And the more that you can send out these positive thoughts, and more, you might be able to notice some of the cool shit that happens in your life. You know, for example, out of the blue, I got a call from one of my favorite authors, you know, desk yesterday, just saying, Hey, we had a webinar yesterday, we actually want your input on it. And I was like, what? I was like, Where's that coming from? And for me, you know, I just kind of looked at it and to, you know, I'm putting good energy out, right, I'm putting energy out that just says, Hey, I want to participate and be a part of, you know, some great things to be of service to my community, whatever that community is for people on the journey. And this feedback is for specifically people that are on that journey. So to be able to participate in something like that was a return on the energy that I have been sending out, try it out for yourself. It doesn't have to go or be so deep, but when something happens to you, good or theoretically bad and nothing is good or bad, so for our thinking makes it so when something happens to try and try Where did that come from? What did you send out and again, this is 100% ownership in your life and all things in it. Something comes back to you. Where do you feel like that originated from Unknown Speaker 9:32 you Transcribed by https://otter.ai

  Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope checking in on you, I know I said I would get some podcasts out the interviews and I will. That's not why I'm here today, though, they will come out, I'm just not satisfied where everything is right now. I don't think that it makes sense to rush it unless I really need to. And there's really no need to rush it. And I think that's what we're talking a little bit about today. I've got a quote here that I posted to Facebook in 2019 that I showed up again, and I had mentioned, hey, this, this resonates almost almost more today than it did then. You know, suffice to say that it still has an impact. And it still strikes a chord with me. And somebody else asked me said, you know, what does that Brandon, what does that quote mean to you? And so I'm gonna share a little bit about that today. In response to the question, and the quote is, and the day came when the risk it took to remain tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took some blossom. And it's by a nice Nin. Hopefully I'm saying her name correctly, she is I've got wiki pulled up over here somewhere. Here we go. You should French born essayez diarists, novelist, writer, short stories and erotica born to Cuban parents in France. She was born in February 21 1903, died in 1977. You know, on a cursory glance, you'd be like, well, you know, whatever. and whatnot. I've never never even really heard of her but she has so many quotes that are really similar to this that are just like so. For me, I'd say evocative right they they evoke some type of emotion and they resonate with me quite well. And so when we when we kind of like let let's extract what it is, and this this quote that resonates with me, and maybe it resonates with you and maybe leaving your personal personally in the in the blossoming bud pureed phase freeze, please. So here's the deal, you are the flower and you have held it in too long. You are the flower and you've held it in too long, your your your you your petals, right, your petals are continuing to grow on the inside, and it just becomes tighter and tighter and tighter within and you don't know the challenge is and this was my challenge to you don't know exactly. And I'm still in this process and I wouldn't I wouldn't dare say that. I'm not completely out of the woods yet as I like to say so you don't know exactly what kind of flower you are. You don't want to risk sharing the fact that you're even a fucking flower you don't want people to know you know, you want people to think that maybe you're the plant. Right? Really Hey, I've always been Brandon this Brandon plant you've got this identity that has stuck with you for so long that you you don't even know what it would mean to bud to go now you're in a bud now you're in a bud state right now you're in his buds seat. And like I said the longer that you wait these petals they they grow on the inside right and each petal that grows in is thin and delicate and beautiful as it is has more space compressing on the inside each one kind of slowly crushing you on the inside out. There calms this kind of point that you reach in your life where that doesn't make any more sense to hold back where you've got something that you want to be or become something you're trying to share something that you know you realized for so long you played it for so you played safe for so long. And it hurts like it gets there's a there's an actual hurt you know, for me it was kind of like a deadening on the inside. If I didn't take the risk to go ahead and decide to blossom, right, whatever, you know, again, accept the risk and blossom, you say, hey, you know, fuck it, I gotta I gotta move forward, I gotta open up, I gotta, I gotta be me, man, you know, I gotta express the truth of who I am. And that really wasn't even it at the point. And this is a really, you know, kind of a super memorable moment. And I would love to say that it was like, hey, when my kids were born, I'd love to say that was when I decided to, you know, come back and be be married, and I spent the rest of my life you know, and with my relationship with Meg and then, but it really just those were all pivotal moments. And I think that they were, you know, semi conscious choices, right? It's like, Yeah, let's go ahead and do this thing. And let's think this isn't gonna be great and definitely meaningful and impactful areas in my life. But it was like when I made this decision, along with support from from mag to first just kind of start the podcast right, open up my very first podcast and get a coach and chase down this kind of this dream this thing that I thought I could do this thing that called to me that pulled on my heartstrings. And initially, there was a initially it was like, Oh, well, I don't know if that's such a great idea because you know, looks gonna cost a fair amount of money to take on this coach and go do this thing. And there's some fear there, right? And again, this you've got this, you've got this you've got the the quote, right, the the day came when the risk it helps to remain tight in the bud was more painful than a risk and it took the blossom. Some things you're gonna hurt to do to lean forward into there's a risk that's inherent. I don't know again, I don't know what kind of fucking flower I'm gonna insert into. You don't know what kind of flower you're gonna turn into. I've spent my entire life is this plant. Right, let alone this. Look, I didn't even realize that the blood was forming. And the blood was forming that it was so tightly wound that I was like, you know, listen, if I don't do this thing, but don't do whatever this is Chase the podcast become a coach. And, and that in that moment that was there. And again, this is very similar to the hero's call and Joseph Campbell's. No, you know, the arc, right? The mythology. That's the hero's call. There's something pulling on you so hard. That if you don't lean into it, if you don't feel into it, it's it's almost like a guillotine to the heart. Right? It's almost like severing the the it is just like you're severing the connection between your head and your heart. You go numb. You say to yourself, well, this is it. I've given it everything I've got As matter of fact, I had somebody that I would talk to off and as I began the podcast as I leaned into this basis that asked me because well, why are you? Why are you even trying you, you kind of have like the things that you want and whatever and you have a pretty good life. And that's it because there's something else out there. This isn't it? This isn't it. And so you accept the risk to blossom. And you're gonna come to find out the truth of who you are. You know, there's no longer when you make that decision. The question to wonder what if? Because now it's like anything else once once you begin to allow those pedals to unfurl? There's no going back. Right? There's there's no, I'm sure there is a flower out there. Some botanist is gonna be like, hey, but you know, there's just one flower that does diddly Dude, I don't care. I'm gonna talk about the vast majority of them. That once you begin to unfurl, once you begin to blossom once you begin to allow the truth of who you are to be exposed on purpose, with intent and alignment with all that you are. That's it, man, you're you're you're there. You're in that space. And that's what you That's, that's kind of, you know, looking back, right? Hindsight is 2020 And you know, look and being able to say, take a look at this quote and realize the moment that that happened for me in my life is hindsight 2020. When you're in the midst of it, when it's happening, you don't you it's, it's hard to know. It's hard to know, and I can't tell you that you're easily going to be able to say, Oh, look at me on blossoming. Because you're not going to know you're gonna. And that's, that's part of as part of this whole kind of the wonder, restlessness, nervousness of life, is that you're doing it and you don't have to be doing it, right. It's happening for you. It's happening through you, you're experiencing life. And just like the idea of the story where the mentee, or the young devotee shows up at a monastery, and he's like, Hey, we're here to get enlightenment, and, you know, find my path forward and you know, become spiritually renewed or whatever. And he talks to the master at the temple. And he goes, because all right, well, you know, sure, you're more than welcome to do it, it's gonna be a lot of work gonna be a lot of effort should take about 10 years. And the young disciple devotees like, what? No, no, no, I got that kind of time. I got that time a time. What if I work twice as hard put in twice as much effort? And, and really double down? How long will it take me then, and you know, the, you know, master at the monastery, he's like, Well, that's gonna take you 20 years. And the thing is, and you'll come to realize this, as you progress, and as you're doing what you and I'm still in the process myself, again, I'm not trying to say that I've mastered myself or hands on stuff, it's an ongoing process, what I've discovered is that a lot of this is true. The harder that I try at some of this stuff, the longer it takes to realize, recognize and understand. And the more often that I just do it and flow with it, it happens for me, versus me making this kind of Sir crazy effort. It's very similar. We all talked about planting the seeds, you create the conditions for the seeds, and then the seeds do their own thing, right, you create the conditions for what you would like to happen and what you would like to happen happens almost on its own. And again, not saying there's zero effort, but it's not. It's not this thing where you're putting forth this desperate type of energy anywho, I thought that I would share that in kind of a podcast format, simply because typing it all out really doesn't. I don't think do it the justice that it needs. And you're not going to get the tenor of that. And I'm not great with punctuation. So again, the quote is, and this is a response to somebody asking what this quote meant to me, and the day came when the risk it took to remain tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom by nice, man. Thanks for the question. Hope you enjoy this quote as much as I have Transcribed by https://otter.ai

  Link to the book: https://amzn.to/3uUgkYE   Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope, on a little bit of a, we'll call it a holiday with Megan, the boys. And while we're on holiday ended up doing over Easter, happy Easter, everybody believed in Easter ended up doing a breathwork session with Soma breath on their primary page. And there was a lot of like, a lot of a lot of things have to fall into place to make it work. Because again, we were traveling, we're in a place that we've never been in before, and was just really exciting to participate, do it, create it, experience it, if you did not experience the breath work. It was it was great. And there were there were some technical difficulties. But we were able to leverage those technical difficulties as things that happen in real life, there was some static, and maybe the volume wasn't exactly where it needed to be. But once adjusted, we were able to tune in to, you know, the, I'm trying to think there's a phrase I keep that's eluding me, he talks about, you know, when you when he really tuned there's a certain signal that kind of leads all the other signals. And so what you want while you're tuning into something, there's going to be static. So we use part of what happened during that meditation, as just that very breathwork is just very piece of that, right you in life, there's going to be static. In life, there's going to be, there's going to, there's, there's not going to be clarity, and you're going to be seeking clarity. And in the midst of seeking clarity, you've got to tune in, right, you've got to adjust the dial, you've got to get it right. Something I wanted to share with you. So I want to share that first of all. And the other thing I wanted to share was about this book called The tools by Phil Stutz. And Barry Michaels Nichols, I don't know, written in 2012 really great book, I've got to sit here in my lap. And the reason I do is because I wanted to go through a couple of things with inside of it with you, before I jumped on to my next book, and I think that's important, right, stop and pause, reflect and be with it for a minute. My next book I'll be reading as it's another book on breathwork. So I just wanted to get through this. There's a couple tools. Right now, there's about five tools in this one book, that I think are very impactful and usable. One is called the reversal of desire, basically running into your pain instead of running away from it. And using your pain, and things that cause pain, theoretical pain, not necessarily true pain, to propel you through the situations, in a number of different ways, you'd have to just kind of do high level on this active love. act of love really just being the idea that giving true love to everyone that you see unconditionally, and not the kind of, you know, let's go to bed kind of love but just every you love everything and have it come from the depth of who you are. And you'll experience some pretty, pretty powerful, pretty powerful things there. Another one of the tools is inner authority. Again, we talk about all the things that you're going through and your spirituality and your life, and the things that have been subjected to all of it for you. Only you can determine what that really meant and what that really felt like. And sometimes the experience has to be, it can only happen, you can only determine something by experience. And you've got to be willing to stand by that you've got to be willing to feel that. And you've got to be willing to be there, share it, don't share it. But that's you know, according to you what you experienced. And that's pretty powerful stuff. A lot of times, you're looking for an authority outside of you to tell you what you've experienced, a lot of times you're looking for approval or guidance and other things from people outside of you when really you need to be able to give yourself a little bit of courage, a little bit of love and support and follow some of what you believe follow some of your intuition follow some of your bliss and see where that goes and and see what happens. So inner authority is one of them. The Grateful flow I think that we're pretty well versed in, in in gratitude these days. We III have a real strong idea of knowing that, you know, the more that you share gratitude, the more that you experience gratitude, the more that you look for things to be grateful for, the more of it that you'll have inside of your own life. A couple of other tools here really is the one of them is Jeopardy. And Jeopardy, as I understand it, is you just like everything else that you're doing any other tools that you're already using to get you from where you've been, to where you are, you need to keep using those tools, right? You need unless you find a better tool, you need to keep using these tools. When you stop using the tools progress stops. Right, it's like when you get to ride on a roller coaster, and it's whipping around. And then sometimes it's got to pull everybody to the top there, add to the climax, that big ol ride, you click, click, click, click, click, click, if it stops, ratcheting you up if the tool stopped working, that's basically what happens for you. And me, right, I'm just as guilty as anybody else they talk about this is that you get into a place where you've used the tools, you've gotten yourself to a place where you feel comfortable. And then you start fucking using the tools. Like I'm cool, bro, everything's exactly I got everything exactly where I want it, I got this thing nailed. You stop using the tools, that shit starts falling apart. And you've got to remember to continue to use the tools. Now, not necessarily just these tools in this book. But these are very good tools that they shared with you. And this book, he talks about listening in the end of all this, which I think is really powerful and potent. I'm actually gonna flip to kind of like the back of this book. Some words that kind of stuck out to me, in the end here talks about the idea that you need problems in your life, so that you can begin and that so that you begin to start using these tools like meditation and all the other tools that were listed in here, this act of love. I've employed different types of these tiles, but they give some really inner authority. This is shit I promised you like I've been using and have used but I didn't have names for it. Right? I couldn't accurately depict it, or I didn't have a scenario for it. And these, these two put it into a really cool scenario. I believe I shared where I had somebody telling me about my awakening experience and having a conversation like oh, no, that's not what it was. And I almost fucking bought into it. I almost said, You're right, maybe that's not what I thought that it was. But you have to remember to be your own authority, you have to know that that was your own experience. And, and that is exactly what kind of happens in the back of this book. They're talking about fruits of a new vision. And essentially, you connect with higher powers going through all this right? So that's kind of the blurb as you get through all this. You connect with some higher powers. And here's the thing, right? They give chapter eight fruits of a new vision. Pillar one thinking about higher forces is worthless, you have to experience them. Oh, yeah, fucking, I get it right. Again, this is the experience that I've had on my own. And the search that I've been on, has been like, where are the words like, what is the language that how do I express this? And so he says here, you, you can't prove or disprove the existence of higher forces. They're only real for you. If you can feel them. Okay. I absolutely am in talks about the floor off philosopher Kirk Kirk guard hinting at this principle when he wrote life has its own hidden forces, which you can only discover by living on the line and here's your only your whole being can experience higher forces is real. And again, I try to this is this is what I went through. And so it's just really great to see. While you don't need any external validation, finding, it certainly feels great. pillar number two, when it comes to spiritual reality, each one of us is his own authority. Whatever you're going through, you are the authority on you. They talk about this as the new spirituality. Each individual must experience higher forces and arrive at his own conclusion about their nature, external authority figures can no longer define your spirituality. fucking love it. So. And these are two, like one guy who was a lawyer went into, went into a psychiatric practice. And the other guy had always been into the psychiatric practice. Great book. And this is where I talked about pillar number three personal problems drive the evolution of the individual, if you don't have any problems, what are you going to fucking fix? If you don't have any challenges? Where are you going to look for ways to grow opportunities to grow? So challenges pop up in your life. You employ these tools, you have an experience, you have the experiencing, like, oh, or was that what the fuck just happened, and then you continue to have those experiences. So I think that that's pretty cool. I'm looking for any other pillars on this. I don't see it right now. Looking for, they talk about, well, good book, included, including the shadow, you got to include your shadow, grateful flow, those are the tools again, as they kind of do a highlight on them. I'm just looking for some of the last last pieces, I can definitely say that this is a book worth reading, I wanted to share this book with you. Here we go. It says and the universe has been designed so that higher forces are available every moment of every day, we simply have to use the tools to stay connected with them. Talks about what the fuck was like literally, tree ranches fell on the car. Little bit of a little bit of what's it called small tree branch talks about writing this talks about writing this book and talks about you as a creator. And not the consumer. And again, that's another reason why I came out here to talk about this book a little bit was that you go from one thing to another to another to another to another rarely digesting or using some of the tools that have been implemented. Again, this book says hey, stop, pause for a second use these tools, don't just be a consumer, pick up the book, read it, and then go straight to another one without having some sense of of connectedness to it. So I think that it's definitely a book worth checking out for yourself. It's the name of the book again is the tools. subtext is five tools to help you find courage, creativity, and willpower and inspire you to live life and forward motion. Flip into the tools again here in the book, just so that I can share them with you the reversal desire, active love, inner authority, grateful flow, and Jeopardy. And you will, you'll have some I believe that if you've leveraged these tools, if you do it on a daily basis, for any period of time, that you they will have a cumulative effect. Anytime you stop using them, I promise you, you will notice that you have stopped using them. Life will feel different, there'll be a different texture and feel to life. Anytime you stop using them. And they'll have an effect. I think that's that's life lasting for you, if you continue to use them in my own practice in my own life. These tools and similar tools have proven to just be so, so powerful and so potent. So check out the book. I'm happy to leave a link, I'll leave a link to the book in the podcast notes. And, you know, wishing you the very best if you haven't checked out any of the breathwork sessions, just yet, you know yet another tool that I have found to be super impactful in my own life, and it's been impactful on others already that I've shared it with the summer breathing methodology coupled with, you know, kind of adding other pieces into it as I come along. But check it out. There should be you know, reach out to me, or check out on Facebook. There should be any event for most Sundays, around 1:30pm ESP. It's middle of April 2022. Just check out the Facebook profile and to reach out to me if you don't see any information on the breath work and find out what's not still going on. Hopefully it's still going on. And you get the opportunity to experience it for yourself. That is it and we'll talk later Transcribed by https://otter.ai    

Brandon Handley 0:00 is going on spiritual dope, we're coming at you where we're coming from. We are, we are in Vail, Colorado today. And we're here for for business, we're here for work the day job. And I had spent, it's been quite the adventure, I should say, came out here to connect with a potential client, somebody we're working with, then really no set agenda was just kind of, Hey, get out there and see if you can connect and make something happen. And you don't have to tell me twice to go out to Colorado from Philadelphia to go ski and snowboard and and check things out. And it's been pretty interesting. And I think that there's been a couple of entertaining and enlightening moments for me that I thought that I might share with you. One of the one of those things is if you haven't gone snowboarding or skiing in the west coast and in Colorado, and also if you've gone in 20 years or so your body may not, may not provide a welcoming response. So it's been entertaining to just see what a difference it's, it's taken on my body after a 20 year hiatus. The other piece is, you know, man, what's, what does success look like to you success looks like a lot of different things to a lot of different people. And this context for me, one of the pieces that look like success was purely getting to the bottom of the mountain, especially against since I hadn't been in so long as you know, didn't also recall exactly how to do it. I don't know if you ever saw the movie, the abyss. And we're going back I think to like, I don't know, maybe even the 80s. And there's a scene where these guys have to go down so deep into the water, that they have to breathe in liquid. And it's like embryonic fluid, right? And, and it's got oxygen or anything in it. And the line is, don't worry, your body will remember right, you know, you'll, you'll remember. And that was kind of what I was running with in this in this scenario, as well. So suffice to say I didn't make it down. That was huge success. And what I will say though, too, is you look, I made it down, I've got all my limbs, and I'm a fully functioning human. And we're here to support what is called the adaptive spirits event. And these are athletes, the Paralympics athletes, these are people who some people are blind going down these hills, missing limbs, no limbs, it's just really inspirational, to see what they're able to accomplish. And you know, on top of everything else, of being able to get to this event, and do it for work, to be able to participate in any event like this super meaningful, super inspirational. And really glad that I'm able to have a job that allows for me to participate in something like that. Well, this actually, we're still taking a mini break as a as we're in between sessions. So success looks like getting to the bottom of the hill alive. For me this weekend. And you know, a couple other funny things that I thought that I that I may share with you is that I also know was using some rental board and bindings had never used before. Got to the top of the hill. I got somewhere I forget. And I literally didn't know how to take these things off the bindings, right? I'd had no idea how to take them off. That was little I was like well maybe somebody should have showed me how to do that. And then I had to go boots I had no idea I didn't know how to take them off. Right these like I've never seen these things before they twist right with like, like a ratchet type thing where they just keep twist and getting in tighten and tighten or. And I was like looking for like a release mechanism. I was like, Oh my God, my feet are stuck in these forever. There was like some mini drama in my head where I just saw like the doctor couldn't figure out how to get these off and cut off my feet for some reason that would never happen. But that was the image that was in my mind. I think that we all know that sometimes our mind can get ahead of us and what else have And again, these are just kind of like little moments that just as you experience them, as you think about them, as you're going through them, you can get frustrated, right. And again, if we come from the space of, of believing that we're working with the universe is one, this is a benevolent universe, these things are being done for you, and that type of thing. And that's really the context that a lot of these things are occurring in for me. And one example of that, is that I took a bus from where I was in Vail to another section in Vail and the lady's like you're already where you're supposed to be. I was like, yeah, that doesn't make any sense, because I don't recognize where I'm at. Right? But she was right. So I took a bus about a half hour away from where I was supposed to go, and had to wait a half hour to get back to where I'd already left. So there were a couple of things in that for me, that I thought were kind of interesting. You know, sometimes, like the what were some of the thoughts that I had was, like, maybe, like, maybe you're already there, you just don't recognize it. Right? Because that was that was certainly my case, I was already where I was supposed to be. I just literally, I was not familiar with where I was. Right. And so that I thought was pretty interesting. And I had a chocolate myself for that. Because, you know, in spirituality and and all this seeking that I think gets done. Chances are, you're already where you're supposed to be. But there's like this egoic thing that just pushes and pushes and says, No, that's not right. This isn't right was we're supposed to be and this is, this is what's supposed to be happening. But I was already where I supposed to be. And I spent about an hour getting back to where I already was. So bring that up, because there was a stint in my 20s, early 20s. So actually 19 and 20, where I connect to myself spirituality, my spirituality then, but I shut the door, right. And when I hit it again, right around 40, I was like, oh my god, this is like so familiar. And I remembered how there was like this window of connected ness and opportunity. And I felt like the the calling, then. But instead, you know, I spent 20 years getting back to where I already was, thought I'd share that one with you. And then this will be the last one that I go ahead and share with you one of the clients that I was trying to connect with. He has really like it's kind of like a needle in the haystack. Right? And we hadn't had much communication and this was, this was kind of a calculated risk. As it were, you know, go see if you can connect, okay, there's plenty of people out there, we haven't really done much and and you're flying solo, which was also just kind of interesting. And so we went looking connect and send emails, contacts. And I started to feel like this kind of like desperation, stalkers, energy has, like, I'm just not, I'm not digging this, right. Like, I definitely want to do the job and do the work and do what it is I'm supposed to do. But I want to come at this from a place of love of service. And really, how can I help, you know, share what it is I have to offer for your best benefit. Not Hey, I'm here, I'm here jumping around, right? Pay attention to me. It's like Alright, let's get together. Let's go do something. And, and, you know, I wanted to get to know this this person as a person, right? And so I just said, You know what, I couldn't I couldn't locate him, couldn't find him poked around a bit searched. And I was like, You know what? Fuck it. I'm out. Like it's not worth like this. This desperation, energy and feeling this way. And the moment within minutes, within minutes. The my client, you know, a person had reached out, reached out he says, Hey, Brian, and let's, let's, let's get to we don't have much time. I can get together for breakfast tomorrow. So you know what, I'll take it we'll get together. People have been talking about a great place for practice. I said, let's meet this place for breakfast and connect. And so we did. And things went very well. We had a great conversation. He invited me along to go skiing with him and a few of his other buddies. He was a great skier. Me not so much. But I spent some time with him on the slopes too. So I think that it went better. And if we wrap all the way back around the beginning, this is what a success look like to you went better than I had anticipated, got to spend some time some real quality time with him and at an awesome event, participating in an awesome event, and meeting other great and great cool people, some people that I've never that I've met, that I've known and worked with online and never got the chance to meet in person so that that happened. But let me let me slice and dissect a couple of these things. Right. Like, again, the universe is working with you, right. And I've been trying to force it is kind of what the takeaway was. And the that desperation, energy, right has had all this energy in front of me blocking what the blocking what the universe was going was doing with ease, right. So I thought I'd share some of those takeaways, as I'm on this trip away from my family missing my family and, you know, hopefully next time I do a trip like this, they'll be able to make it that was the other cool thing about this event. People brought their families along with them and got the chance to meet other people's kids. And so, just a great event. Those are some takeaways from from where I'm at. I believe I'm looking at you know, starting to rerelease some podcasts here shortly with not rerelease but start releasing some interviews here shortly. And I think that there's a lot that you will enjoy in that. So be on the lookout for that. And as always, hope you've enjoyed your hit of spiritual dope. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope, hope you're doing all right. Sure you are. Wanted to connect on a couple different things from this, this past week was one of the things one of the things pretty excited about as we as you know, doing the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and think it's been probably about a year since I've been back after COVID and have one stripe on the blue belt, finally got my second stripe, pretty exciting stuff there. We all know really, that it's supposed to be about the journey every once in a while, though, you still get caught up in and, you know, the ego trap, right? Like, when when is this going to happen? You know, when am I going to reach this destination? And I found myself feeling that way. I did I you know, I think that it's easy enough. Just like anybody, like we're driven by, you know, some of these some of these milestones, sometimes were driven by a lot of external factors. And, hey, look, I'm human. And I'm part of, you know, this western society and to say that I'm not driven ever, by external factors, that be bullshit. And to that point, there was a meg had posted, I'm actually going to look for this thing right now, she posted a thing on Facebook, she posted a picture of my office face, right. And if you saw the picture, it is it's the garage stuff was shit. You know, all the stuff that we haven't gotten rid of, and is not necessarily organized. And it's got a green screen, like kind of hanging around and some other stuff, right. And she posted the picture of garbage cans, or in a picture, you know, all this stuff. And I'm like, Oh, my God, how I felt so embarrassed. She goes, welcome to the space where big tech deals are sealed. Some days, all you need is good lighting and a green screen like Mr. Handley. She goes, this is what happens when you try to fit a 4400 square foot home and 900 square foot. And, you know, I was I was a little embarrassed. I was a little I was a little. I was like, wow, I and then I realized, I realized that I was kind of let like, let my ego get to me, right? Because I didn't want people to see, you know, the place where the work was happening, the place where I come and I do and I give the breathwork sessions, you know, put on the green screen and put on a background didn't want didn't, you know, this is where the look I do all right, at work, you know, make a decent living and I didn't want you know, people to know, like, Hey, this is this is where I'm working out of. And I let it go. Took me a little bit. And, you know, it was real, just kind of being real honest with you. Took me a little bit because I realized again, that in this scenario, I will let my fucking ego kind of take over and drive. Alright, the ego is like, yeah, man, you don't want people to see that shit. You don't want people to see where you put the time and effort in? And yeah, so I mean, I even talked to Mike about it. We talked a little bit I said, Yeah, you know, I almost asked you to take that picture down. And she goes, why? And I just, you know, I gave her what he said just so what I just said right now is I felt a little embarrassed by right I felt like, you know, I should have my shit should at least look like it's more together than that. Right at the same time. She goes well, I you know, I thought it was really cool. You know? So here's so just just so we understand there's this juxtaposition here. I know that I was a little embarrassed. She goes I thought it was really cool. Because you can do anything anywhere you're like, you know, you're able to go and just kind of set up a making create a space and create and provide for a family, you know, kind of just anywhere. And she's like I thought that that was pretty cool. And I was like you know, personally I didn't really kind of take that perspective but she's right right like we changed our spaces we changed our office and homes all this other stuff. And and yeah, I come out here into your right here right now the garage and you know, put up some soundproofing and all this other stuff and I created a space where I could come out, be creative, I come out here, I can work. I can allow for the children to play without me being like, hey, you know, especially especially when I'm creating a podcast, like even right now like Fenn could be playing on the other side of the wall. You wouldn't hear it and I wouldn't. He wouldn't hear us right there's soundproofing on the wall, and he plays video games he talks to his friends. Whereas if I kept my office space inside of the house, then everything buddy's got to tiptoe around and like all this other shit. So I picked up and like created a space in the garage. And, you know, we always, I guess, want to appear to have our shit together. And we always want to kind of just show something better than, than what's really there. And so I kind of left it left the picture up there, because that's the truth of it. Right. And I told her, I said, this was this, I really felt vulnerable, leaving that up there. But I also felt like, you know, it was it was an honest representation. And I didn't feel like I should be allowing, like my ego, to kind of take that over my ego to drive that. I mean, if we think about a whole lot of anything. I'm not saying I'm like some monk in the Himalayas, the sits in a cave, but there are monks, you know, and the devil is going out there and just sitting in caves. And I'm nowhere near that level. But that's this is, this is my private space, this is where I get to come and, again, relax. So I just, I just share all that, because sometimes when we see, we see what we think we see, and I think that that's oftentimes driven, driven by the ego. And sometimes, you know, if we can just let that go, or even, or even have those honest conversations with the other person about it, you know, I didn't ask her to take it down. Definitely considered it, but we sat down had a conversation about it, which also made me feel vulnerable, because then I had to share kind of how it made me feel right. So you expose yourself in some of those conversations. And to be honest with you, I think that's you know, that's a big part of strengthening a relationship is to have those open vulnerable conversations. And as long as the other person doesn't take advantage of that vulnerability, then I think it's a great opportunity to to strengthen, right? I think a lot of people a lot of times, they never reached that point of just being able to open up and share the truth and their truth and have an open dialogue about it. Instead, you know, a lot of people kind of run away from that and to me, a relationship is built in, in that vulnerable in that vulnerability. And I think letting go of ego especially in a relationship as most relationships that you have there's a there's an ego involved do you want to be seen as the guru you want to be seen as a specialist? Not sure that I shared it and maybe I already did, I think I did share like how somebody reached out to me asking a question and I just said I'm not the specialist but maybe here's a couple tools that can help you to get the answers you know, just come at it as an equal and be honest and I think that you'll find a lot of truth in that space anyways, that's really I wanted to touch base on that one I've been meaning to get to this one now which she posted this on the 31st of March it is days later but I've been meaning to get around to it finally got around to it this mo things I mean to get around to knock them out one thing at a time. Hope you're doing well it's really been just a quick hit of spiritual dopamine. Where do you find your center? Where can you let go of some of your ego working find where you're vulnerable? Where can you find that your ego is still like leading you and to fuck it. There's really nothing wrong with it. Just recognize and be aware. 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Unknown Speaker 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope, I'm here today to chat up with you a little bit about the follow up the follow up from the email that was sent out the other day, then the podcast, both of them were titled, doesn't ask doesn't get. And in this email and the podcast, I've mentioned a couple different tools that I tried out right, a couple of different tools that I've read about a couple of different tools that I actually went ahead and implemented. Right. But the bullet talked about how there was some fear in there how there was some, it was definitely scary. Unknown Speaker 0:44 Because there's really no reason why actually, because you're afraid that maybe you don't, you're not going to say the right thing, maybe you lose an audience member to or maybe nobody responds at all right, there's a whole bunch of different outcomes, that that are possible Unknown Speaker 1:01 that you don't want to happen. And you're kind of attached. And this is, this is another thing that attachment to is suffering type of thing. You're kind of almost more attached to this terrible outcome that's possible, as an attachment that does lead to suffering, because you're attached to your fears, so you don't let them go. And you continue to let them drag you down, and stand in the way of, I think real knowledge and real experience, that's a pipe with that close, it's a real experience, because knowledge in terms of being subjective. And in the experience, at any rate, y'all motherfuckers went ahead and left me some nice reviews. And I really do appreciate that. You know, here's the deal. Unknown Speaker 1:54 You know, it, I had to overcome some fears, right, I had to embrace the potential pain. And I had to get out of my comfort zone. And I think the coolest thing is, is that Unknown Speaker 2:08 when you actually implement some of these tools, they actually work for you. Right, just like they're supposed to whether or not the execution is flawless, always questionable. Always questionable, but I want to say thanks to read a couple of them that came in through here. So thanks to one of them. Ryan, thanks for your review, five star review. This is his title, antidote and insight. Because this is the exact lead the kind of conversation the world needs a no nonsense exploration and indulgence into meaningful and enriching aspects of life that don't get serious and thoughtful attention in other places. This is a podcast to come to let your intrigue release and your to, to let your intrigue release and your curiosity fly, all hosted by a genuinely interested and invested host that learns alongside you, I love it. And listen, I want to I want to actually address that very thing for a moment. I don't fucking know everything, right, as as much as, as much as I do know, I do know, it doesn't mean I know everything. And I want to highlight that Unknown Speaker 3:21 in Unknown Speaker 3:23 you know, we'll call our client, you know, somebody that I've been working with somebody that's been coming to the breathwork sessions, somebody that has had an awakening experience due to the Breathworks sessions, which is another story in of itself, and just completely mind blowing, that I get to facilitate that type of thing and assist people on their journey. Unknown Speaker 3:47 But she reached out to me with a question on on chakras and her third eye. And Unknown Speaker 3:55 I didn't have an answer. And I thought, you know, maybe I could I could give some type of reflection on what it meant to me, but reminded me of just another tool that I had used myself and had tremendous returns on on usage. And so, instead of trying to provide an answer, you know, trying to be the guy that knew everything. I said, Hey, you know what? Unknown Speaker 4:22 I was like, I'm not I'm not a third eye expert. Unknown Speaker 4:26 So I really don't know what to tell you on that. But what I can suggest that you give a shot you try is why not go ahead and maybe write the question out to the universe. Right? Say, Dear universe, what's up at the start? I shit I don't know what's happening. And that led her down, down, you know, a couple other curves, but she found the answers Unknown Speaker 4:51 that worked for her through that process. And so super, super exciting to say I don't have all the answers. Unknown Speaker 5:00 Now what I do have are a number of tools that have been used for probably throughout like the duration of humanity, you know, we put new spins on it here and there. And we maybe we leverage them in different ways than then they were used before. Like I said, you know, sending that question out to the universe, you know, and trust, you know, that's kind of one of those ideas of let go and let God and trusting in the universe. Unknown Speaker 5:30 So I was really excited to see that work for her and being able to share a tool like that for her and at the same time being like, I don't have the answer for you. But I know how you might be able to get one. So Ryan, thanks again for the review. Definitely appreciate it. Appreciate your support and our conversations. Unknown Speaker 5:52 Another five star review from Mike Iaconelli Mike, Mike's a great guy. You know, he's got some great things going on for him. If you haven't checked them out, Mike. I'm Ellie. He was on the podcast early early on. Mike let's five star reviews as I love the depth of topics, Brandon pursues. I love this podcast so much. I'd been a fan of the topics Brandon was bringing forward and was eventually a guest on the show. I've done a lot of podcast interviews in my career. And this was easily one of my favorites. There's no topic that's too out there, or woowoo. For Brandon. Yeah, he brings this really normalizing and grounding energy to everything he brings on the show. For our spiritual seekers, this podcast is in valuable, like man, Mike, Mike was such a such a blast. And we had such a really nice report on the podcast. And, you know, the energy that he brought was, it was infectious, right? Sometimes, sometimes you just really strike that balance on a show, and it works out. Now, I'm not reading these. For the validation, I'm not reading these and expecting them for the validation of whether or not I'm doing a good job. I Unknown Speaker 7:09 I wanted to break through a barrier of my own, I wanted to get out of my head and put something into action. Unknown Speaker 7:17 And that's what I did. Unknown Speaker 7:20 And the bonuses, I got results. And that's so awesome. Right, I think that that's really some of the key stuff. And, you know, just lets me know who some of the people are that I'm talking to, lets me see what some of their thoughts are. Like I said, you know, Ryan, and Mike here, I've got a couple other ones I'll share with us as we come along. Unknown Speaker 7:45 But I got results. I also mentioned that, you know, hey, you may remove yourself from the list. And you know what, those are types of things that maybe we be afraid of in the past, but also understanding and already knew, already knew Unknown Speaker 8:00 that Unknown Speaker 8:02 I may lose somebody anytime you send, like an email. So maybe it just, it just may not be that day and the person like you know, remove yourself from their list and like, Unknown Speaker 8:11 use something doesn't matter. Like I'm still I'm still not at the point where there's like, not a lot like I know who these people are, right? We've had real interactions. I'm like, What did I say on my list that like nobody wants to? Unknown Speaker 8:24 What did I say? Right? Unknown Speaker 8:26 And so there was some people that removed themselves. And I knew that would happen. And that's okay. Right. They've got other things they're attending to, and God bless them for pinging, so vigilant with their, with their emails. And so, you know, the results were kind of along the lines of what I could expect, in terms of people, you know, I think there was like a 2% Unknown Speaker 8:54 You know, actual response rate, which is kind of how emails are you get so many out there. So for you to even read my email, thank you. For you to actually take action on that. Wow. That's I mean, to me, that's, again, that's, that's above and beyond, because there's so much coming at you to even be able to take that time to leave a review is super meaningful to me. And that means for me that this is meaningful for you. So the follow up, I just want to share some of this stuff with you. And you know, for for the listeners out there that Unknown Speaker 9:28 have their own fears, who are going through their own things and know there's some things that they'd like to try out, but they're afraid. Just Unknown Speaker 9:38 don't give I've got other things I'm afraid of that I haven't tried for, right. I've got other things that are, you know, beyond the initial comfort zone that sooner or later I'll get home. But even the smallest things such as this email Unknown Speaker 9:54 that I sent out in the podcast and the request and taking action on that it's meaning Unknown Speaker 10:00 Full of my own life, and it shows me just how much more how much further I can go. If I try and I use this as something to share with you, right? Unknown Speaker 10:11 It could, I don't know what your small fear is right? I don't know what your fears, I hate to diminish it by calling it small. I don't know what your fear is. Unknown Speaker 10:19 I don't know what your worry is, I don't know what your walls are, that are keeping you from the life that you really want. But I do know that when you actually take action on some of these things that Unknown Speaker 10:33 you read about, when you're trying to do your best life, Unknown Speaker 10:38 and you implement some of this stuff, and you try it out, you get results. And there's no two ways about it, you're going to get a result, maybe not the exact one that you were looking for, maybe not one that you were looking for at all, oh my god, I would where's the book, I have another book. You know, I was reading and I'm really enjoying it. It's a gentleman I'm gonna have on the show soon. But the book was something along the lines of Unknown Speaker 11:06 let go of the expectation, let go of the perceived Unknown Speaker 11:12 outcome, right, and kind of do these things in alignment with who you are, and the outcome. Unknown Speaker 11:20 You'll kind of again, trust and let go into that. And that's what I did with this. And I kind of you know, hope for that experience for you. Right, I look for that experience for you Unknown Speaker 11:31 to do some things with ease and joy and you know, in alignment with who you are that jazz again, follow up. Thank you for checking it out. If you hadn't checked out the email that you may have gotten, you know, again, doesn't ask doesn't get and did a podcast the very same. It was one right before this. Take it easy, and oh, hey, listen. Oh my god. I didn't know my website was all jacked up. I was getting it, getting it updated doing some work on it. So if you go to the site, and it's kind of all jacked up my bad had no idea that was going on. I am glad that I reached out to somebody to get some work done and went to the site and saw that it wasn't responding. Talk about mortifying. Anyways, spiritual dope. I'll talk to you later. 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Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on spiritual dope? A number Have you probably already got this message probably already saw, some of you may have skimmed it and didn't finish it. I know that a meg, she might have, she might have finished reading it after I left she said she would. But uh, so here's the deal, I shot out an email. After this weekend, I had just gotten done reading a book titled, the tools, the tools is five tools to help you find courage, creativity, and willpower and inspire you to live life in forward motion. I honestly I don't even know why I have this book. I know that I picked it up because it was referenced in another book. And that's just kind of how I am I will be reading a book and somebody will reference some material and said book, and I'll go to Amazon, and I'll grab it because I trust that person's reference. Before we get to that, though, that really No, the other piece of this was I interviewed a guy named Jonathan Potter, he's going to be coming on at some point in the year, I've got a number of awesome podcasts that have already been recorded for your listening pleasure. And what one of the things that he had was this story. And I put this in an email. And the line really starts like this, the line says doesn't ask doesn't get right, Jonathan been working for one of the top five global consulting corporations in the world. And he was a nervous new consultant was working with his mentor, and the economy was a shitstorm. And he goes, they had, they had to put a presentation in front of their customer. And it was $20 million. It's like, Wow, that's pretty, that's pretty, pretty bold. Right? And his, his mentor says to him, says, hey, you know, don't ask, don't get, and they ended up winning this contract. Right? Even though and yes, and on top of on top of the economy, being shitty, and all these other things. They weren't even doing a good job at that point. And the situation that they were in, according to the story. So, you know, I've been thinking, I'd been thinking about making the email that I sent out yesterday, holy based on that story. And I just hadn't done it yet. hadn't done it yet. And so I had been reading the story was reading the book, the tools. And in the tools, the first tool that they have in there, that's called it is called the reversal of desire, then essentially, though, what is teaching you is that how often you stay in your comfort zone. I think that if you've been listening to this podcast, or if you've been in these circles, for any period of time, everybody talks about, you got to get out of your comfort zone. So you've got to get out of your comfort zone. Because there's there's no growth, really inside that comfort zone. If you stay in the comfort zone, you stay small. And you stay small, you don't you don't live the life that you truly desire. And oftentimes, you don't live the life that truly be fit you. And you're missing out on your opportunity to experience your own greatness. And I think that there's gonna there's a lot of turmoil when you whenever you say to people, talk to them about their greatness, Nate, they think that, you know, it means like superheroes, shit and some other stuff, but really just means to tap into your source inside of yourself and to, you know, kind of feel the thrill of living your life as it was intended. So they talk about, you know, living in your comfort zone, they talk about this pain wall. And they talk about the stories that we kind of make up or the things that we allow for ourselves to get into this pain wall, the sanding in between us. And everything that we truly kind of desire all of these limitless opportunities. And just made me think right just made me think about this notes. Maybe think about the email that I sent out this weekend that said, hey, doesn't ask us and get and also brought to mind of all the people that have been on the podcast, I've got several people that have been on the podcast immediately. Right after they write off they've been on no matter what they just start adding me to their email. They're right this time. I'm like, wow, I didn't I didn't even sign up to be on an email or I signed up so that you could tell your story on my blog. But okay, you know, so I'm often impressed with their boldness. Right? To be so bold to just add me to your list we just met bro. Right? And I talked an email about these other people that they sent me emails all of the target, some people email upwards of five times a day. And they're still on my list. I still haven't unsubscribed. And the reason for that is that I always feel like there's something in there, I can read from there, you know, like, I take something away from their emails, I'm like, wow, this person is pretty, pretty, pretty freakin bold. And they're gonna keep sending me emails, like, what are they selling? What are they? How are they selling? What kind of marketing are they using, so I, I enjoy that. But the truth of the matter is, is that I've been holding myself back and I hadn't been emailing, and I wasn't facing my own pains, I was living in my own small circle. And so I faced it. And using this tool called the reversal desire, you know, it leveraging kind of that pain as the motivator and as a driving force to get myself into this land of limitless opportunity. And they kind of remind you in the story that they're telling and the tool, that there's going to be pain in your life. And we're not talking about doing it on purpose so that you're always in pain and pain is growth. That's not it. There's no there's going to be some type of pain that is associated initially with a lot of things. And the thing that comes to my mind is in sales and rejection. Right? still afraid of rejection? I don't want to be rejected. I don't want to come across as like an idiot, you know? And that and I called myself out in my own email, and I said, You know what this is this is me. I was like, I was afraid of rejection. I was afraid like, maybe one person drops off the list. Well, maybe one person says, I'm not interested in what you're saying here. And I was like, that's, you know, that's me holding myself back. That's me being afraid. That's me. Not doing the work, whatever you whatever that is right. And so I did it. And a shout out this email. And it this is like a great weight lifted off of kind of facing your own fears. There is a great line from my girl, Florence Scovel Shinn, she has long since passed. And I'm looking at it up right now this he Florence Scovel, Shinn, Airedale, Airedale, it's a type of dog. Let's see if I can spell it correctly. She talks about for me, I walk boldly up to the line, I walk boldly up to the line on my pathway and find it as a friendly Airedale. And what she's saying there's this very same, really the similar thing that we're talking about, like this email, or, you know, sometimes, sometimes your pain or sometimes your, whatever it is that you're afraid of. It looks larger from further away for some reason. And the closer that you get to it closer that you get to your pain, the smaller it becomes. Right, you start you start getting rid of the stories and you just you begin to realize that there's an outcome that you're looking for there's and if you can get past it, you can leave it or you can drop it. Right, I finally, it's like all those open tabs. I finally shut it down. I shut down this tab that had been open for so long. I felt lighter because of it. And this with Florence Scovel Shinn is saying to when she talks about, you know, walking up to your line and walk up to a friendly Airedale, which is some type of dog. What. And I brought this, I brought all of this into the breathwork session that I did yesterday as well, working with the group that I've been working with, we've been working on, hey, what are you trying to create in your life? And what's stopping you from creating that and then pulling this tool into the prep work and leveraging it so super exciting, to be able to kind of put all these things that you're you're learning together? I know, that's what I've been doing. I've been pulling different modalities together, trying to assemble them in different ways, different tools for different people, and put it all together and you know, again, doesn't ask doesn't get so I sent out the email what was asking for? I was asking for people to go ahead and say, hey, if you've been checking out this podcast if you've been a part of this community, if you're a listener if you've been a guest I love it if you could go ahead and if you could leave a review I said, Hey, you know this guy, Rick, Rick, silence teaches Rick was on contemplation. He said, Hey, host ask powerful questions that made me seriously reflect on why I do what I do. This made the show very helpful for his community. Or perhaps you're a longtime listener, and you have 1000 wisdom and had some moments of inspiration. And feel like you're part of the community like my boy, Jeremy Todd of the positive side podcast. He says, Hey, I needed this podcast, I cannot believe I found this podcast, I've been looking for a podcast that is on a different level. This show gives me insight about life dreams, and what is my purpose? Thank you, Brandon, for this podcast. And so I set out how to do it, I can leave some of those links on this podcast as well. The kind of the key takeaways here, if you're listening, and you're still hanging out, is, you know, face some of your fears and face, face some of your pain and leverage that pain is the kind of catalyst and realize that that's just energy to write that's just energy shaped in the form of thinking, the way God I thought about wonderful entire wonder, Wonder Twin powers unite right in the shape of pain, energy in the shape of pain, and you can reshape and leverage that energy to help build you forward momentum to get yourself into the things that you actually want. And one of those things and oftentimes is asking the question, in the sales world, where I live, if you don't ask for the PEO, if you don't ask for that purchase order. If you don't ask for the sale, if I don't ask for these, then I might not get them. And whose fault is it then? Right? Whose fault is it then if somebody doesn't know what I'm asking for because I don't voice it, then that's all me. That's my own fear of letting things get in my own way of what I actually want. Because I am afraid and, you know, it doesn't have to be that way. And once you kind of get through that, again, there's just like, it's a tremendous that's your greatness you, you get in touch with your greatness. It might sound scary, but you get in touch with your greatness. You feel powerful, you feel liberated. And you feel like you can achieve so much more after you get past some of those. So hopefully that's helpful for you check out the links on this podcast. If you'd like to go leave some of your own reviews. Thank you for anybody who has been participating in the breathwork and has been having some just tremendous. It's been having a tremendous impact. I've got a couple of great breathwork facilitators lined up for you one of them will be Neeraj Naik of the creator of the summer breathwork. I've got getting I don't have Gittens last name in front of me but it's like Tom cough. Another amazing breathwork facilitator. He does breath work to work with trauma. And I've got a couple others lined up for you too guys. I know yours already kind of getting by had to stop and give this update. But we do have some awesome stuff lined up for you stick around. It's going to be great. Transcribed by https://otter.ai From Itunes, head over to https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spiritual-dope/id1518488784 click on "Write a Review" - click five stars and leave us a message! From Spotifiy, navigate to https://open.spotify.com/show/4j52Dx6IIjWQEdHOzNP2rL, tap on the Follow button if you have not done so already. Then tap on the Star Button and follow the instructions to rate the show. You may be prompted to listen to a few episodes first.

Brandon Handley 0:01 breaker breaker one nine or what's up spiritual note, Brandon Handley here the voice of a generation, my buddy, Jeremy Todd just just released a podcast with with another one of our mutual friends, Donnie Tuttle. And I thought that was pretty cool simply because, you know, if I recall, I think I introduced those guys, and I got them together. But uh, you know, by way of another mutual friend, it's just funny to see how relationships expand. And it's funny to see where relationships go. And that's not why I pulled over here today, just to just record a quick podcast just to kind of catch up and kind of what's on the, in the top of mind kind of stuff, how to calm another conversation this morning. With with a gentleman who I'm planning on having on the podcast, he does mediumship. But it doesn't. That's not where it stops, right? Really, it's the self discovery journey. And part of that self discovery journey. That's such a challenge, I believe to talk about with guests and kind of in particular, and what does it mean to you? is, you know, what does it look like? What's the context? And how does somebody get there? And a lot of times, the conversations are pretty, I guess, nebulous. And so this year, on ton of problems that a couple times, it's on the way it is happening. I've got these little containers, where I'm putting different pieces of spirituality, I think they all essentially, look the same. Right? The journey is kind of the same, it's just described in a different way. If you look at the the hero's journey, I think Joseph Campbell's really captured it very well. But it's just gonna look and feel different for each person and each person, it's gonna shine their own light on it. You know? And when I say it's the same, I say, you know, I'm just trying to think I'm sitting to think about what what can you shine a light on? And what's that look like? I'm always thinking about crystals that hang from somebody's mirror. I remember growing up as a kid, my mom had those on there, rainbows will always be shining through these quartz crystals that were hanging from the rearview mirror. But there's a number of different crystals. And so when I say these stories are the same, like that's the same as saying like, all crystals are the same. They have a similar structure. Right? But on the outside, they look different but the inside they have a similar structure, Crystal and structure, right? That's what makes them crystals. So yeah, this guy's told me a story. And I said, Yeah, I get it, man. Your story. It's, it's, and not to make somebody not feel important or you know, it's a wonderful story. But it's the story of self evolution. It's the story of Self Realization, actualization, those. Those are the words that we want to use. We don't want to use the words in my opinion. Evolution, you've already evolved. Tada, you're already fucking there. Full stop you already there. It's a the whole Buddhist thing. Everyone's a Buddha. Just you've got to realize and recognize and become aware of your Buddha nature. This is what he was saying. He was talking about just the awareness of the truth of who you are. This is in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The top of the pyramid is not, hey, I'm fully fucking satisfied. It's realization, self actualization. Right. Who's a yogi? She's Autobiography of a Yogi, right? What's the name his foundation? It's SFR is self you know, CSRF Self Realization foundation. Right? These journeys that we spent so much time on, out on the external. Most of most of your life has been focused on the external journey and this includes his or her as breathwork would have it as a tie in here, and the work that I've been doing, as breathwork would have it. That journey has been 98% external, your journey 98% of it external? How do you look? How do you how do you appear to others? What is your job on the outside? What are what are all these things? And you what can you get? That's the external journey. And it's a limited finite journey. And I don't know, it's cool, don't get me wrong, Ben the cool places done cool things, I'm sure you have to show you've done amazing shit. You don't seen some cool shit. But the internal journey has been like severely lacking. And that's that journey to the center of the self, right? How many licks does it take to get to the center tootsie pop kind of thing. And it all it all depends, and everybody's journey is gonna be different. It's gonna be, it's 100% subjective. They're gonna see it, and only the way they can see it. They're the only ones that can go on that journey. But the process and the journey is pretty much the same for everybody. Right. And so what I'm excited about having that gentleman on is that he does a really good job describing the journey, kind of what it looks like, in the brief conversation that he and I had, he described it very well, you know, kind of his job is to kind of get you to recognize the truth of who you are. And there's, there's unknowingness that comes along with that. And I don't have the book in front of me right now. But it's another one of the books I'm going through that's breeding, you know, I don't know, some sell fucking Heelan book or whatever breeds eel. It's actually really good. But you know, if you come to my house right now, there's like no breeding, you know, healing books and chakra books and self alignment and all this other stuff. And a lot of it's science based, but there's also this, this aspect of mysticism, this mystery that surrounds it, when there's not a whole lot of mystery, it's just you got to have that experience for yourself kind of thing. Right? The experience of riding a bike can only really be conveyed by riding the bike, you know, now, if you've ridden a bike, what that feels like, somebody describes it to you, you're like, oh, yeah, that's, that's sounds like riding a fucking bike. Right? And you won't know until you've had some of these other experiences. What it feels like, until you have the experience, you won't understand somebody describing them until you've had the experiences. Right? And then you kind of recognize like, yeah, oh, wow. Yep. Yep. Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it. Stuck the landing on that one. And you know, this, this, this, this knowingness also comes in, in the breath work, it comes in other I think other things as well. Any kind of activities that you're trying to, to do. And I think of breath work. And I think of jujitsu. And you can think of I think just about anything where you've been trying to you've been trying to nail something, it's not until you do it. And you're like that, that was it. That was I just did the thing. And I just, I think of algebra all the time in this. Just solve the fucking equation. The light goes on, you're like, oh, shit, that was it. That was so easy. And you look back. And you can't you it's so hard to go back. Because now you've got like, this knowledge of the thing. And you can't it's like, you know, it's like going to the fucking matrix. You can't go back. Right? You're like, oh, no, I've always always been here. It's always been like this. And the truth of the matter is yes, it has always been like this. It's just your awareness of it hasn't been there, right? Your capability to do the thing always exists. And, you know, it's just you've got to enable it and activate it right? Self activation is the other thing that you see thrown out a lot. Anyways, the journeys, it's, it's the structure is pretty much the same for everybody. The story gets told pretty much the same, same elements of the story for everybody. But, you know, it's a little bit different and how somebody sees the story and tells the story and what the specifics were. So I guess you could say that the framework or the outlines pretty much the same and you're going to be able to find like the these specific elements in everybody's story, they're almost all going to be in almost the same order. But just a different different journey. So I guess that's what I kind of pulled over. So I just wanted to get something out there and have a conversation. I know, I haven't, you know, I guess I'm Jones and a little bit on my, on the podcast interviews, I've got some new resources to reach out to some people, I've got some people lined up. Another big shout out to, you know, again, I called out Jeremy Todd, and Donnie, because those are a couple guys that, you know, when I think of the beginning of this podcast journey, Jeremy Todd was my number, I think he might have been my first guest. And when I go back to thinking about how he was, he was trying to figure out his microphone and how I was trying to figure out recording it and what a shit yo was. But um, you know, he's, he's, he's ranked up there very high. And I'm super happy with my podcast, and I'm just excited to kind of be here, doing this journey, sharing the stories. And, you know, hopefully helping you to find your, you know, inner bliss, your inner joy, your, you know, being there with you on your journey. As I go all the way back to the beginning of this of spiritual dope. And I think about the whole idea of, you know, when you're on your, your journey, when you when you believe that there's something greater than, you know, kind of like your immediate surroundings, but you're, you're looking for ways to validate it and, and, and somewhere along the lines, you validate it or you feel like you validated it, and then you're like, oh, shade have I just crossed the edge does this go over the border? My fucking crazy now? No, you know, you're, you're, you're experiencing yourself and you're, you're experiencing, you know, this, this ultimate connection, Journey to the Center of you. And, you know, for lack of better terminology, the journey is the center of the universe. And so that's what we're here for. That's what we're doing. Happy to have you here. And we'll catch up at some other time. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:01 What is up? What is up? Bring the energy they say, Well, I'm coming out of BJJ BJJ report, be curious to see how this audio comes out. At any rate, any rate was really upset that I did a really nice one. I felt like it was a nice one anyways, sometime last week. And, man, the audio just didn't come out well. And I wasn't going to treat you to that again. I know I've done it a couple times. And honestly, I just, I don't enjoy that quality. And I don't expect you to either. So what are we what are we focusing on today? What are some things we can focus on today? We can focus on I think just dealing with our shit. I think we've all you know, look, we've all got some demons that we mess with. The quote is the line is always treat everybody with kind of respect and kindness, you really never never know what somebody else has gone. Dealing with. Right? Everybody's dealing with some shit. I know that I'm dealing with, uh, you know, what, right now, to me looks like a poor purchase. Right? What right now it looks to me like a bad idea. But then, you know, I had a conversation with some gentlemen this weekend. And I certainly encourage you all to, you know, especially guys, man get get get around a circle of dudes that you know will be honest with you, and that you feel safe and just talking to because a lot of times, the biggest problem with what we're facing comes from holding it all in. Right and not being your best friend, and not talking to you and talking to yourself. Like you're a jerk. Right? And. And that's not gonna, that's not serving anybody. Right. And I think that that's me, you know, that's playing small, and it doesn't mean that you won't do it. And again, I'm not, I'm here to tell you that, I do it. I'm not telling you that I'm perfect. I'm here to tell you that I have these experiences. And I think that we all have these experiences, I know that we all have these experiences. And most of us are trying to play life like super safe, so we can make it to the end. And you know, I wasn't feeling that in the moment. And so I did something that was abrupt, and I gave in to desire. And I gave him the haste. And and for that, you know, the lesson learned is like, well, maybe don't do that again. And the lesson learned is, is just because the other thing is I have no idea what the end outcomes going to be. Right? I have no idea what the end outcome is going to be, could be the best thing that ever happened. Could be that through this series of what looks like mistakes, I ended up in the perfect spot with exactly what I wanted. And without having done that, you know, something else happens. So treat yourself like your friend, right, realize and try and try and zoom out on the problem. I love the picture that I think it was magma white shirt actually was a picture of the planet from outer space, and it was like, here's, you know, here's what the planet looks like before your problems pop up. And then here's what the planet looks like after your problems pop up. And it's like the exact same picture. And that was the other thing that I had to realize is like, nothing about my health, my wealth, my family, anything really was was changed, like in substantial ways. It was just this thing that I'd done, that I wasn't proud of. Right? And the thing that like, well, if other people see it, they're gonna give me shit. Like, why did you do that? Like, you know what, you got to let go of that too. That's a if we all recall Pulp Fiction, that's your prize thing and you're like, Okay, you know, fuck it, you did it. And then you kind of move on. And sometimes again, that's harder to do because we're not so kind to ourselves. So, you know, be kind to yourself. Zoom out. Look at this thing like a larger perspective, the class that I took with Sreekumar Rao, creative personal mastery this past year was something that taught me to do that. It's not that I didn't already do, but it just reinforced it, and he does it in a different way to take a look at your problems become bigger than your problems and realize that most of the times, most of the problems and challenges that you're facing you are the one that makes them bigger. You're the one that makes them greater than they need to be. And nobody else gives a fuck, right? Most of the times, most of the times somebody else is gonna look at you and be like, they might say, Well, would you do that for him? Like, I don't know, like, all right, well, fuck it, let's get a beer. Right? And that's, like, that's as deep as somebody else might think on it. This thing that's been eating you and eating you and eating you and, and you're given so many fucks about it, even though you don't give a fuck, but you're given Fox. Like it's all day long given Fox, about the one thing that maybe you did wrong. In your own eyes, right? Your own judgment, you're judging, it's this thing for yourself? And then what about all the things that you've done? Right, right, like how often? How often do you praise yourself? Right? I know, you're supposed to be on board. And I was just doing my job, ma'am. But how often do you like, you know what I fucking showed up today? I gave it everything I had. I feel like I made a difference. Right? I showed up today. My intentions match my values. I feel like I was living my purpose. In one way or another, even if, in that scenario, even if you need to make the adjustments mentally for yourself, right? How were you in alignment? If you didn't see it immediately, can you go back through the day? You know what? And look at it and do some reflection. Do some reflection, take a moment and give yourself praise? Because that one thing that you're fucking beating yourself up over? is exactly that. It's like one of probably two to 3000 things you did right? In the day, in the moment in your entire life, right? You're not going to be chalked up or remembered by that that one thing. And even if like I said, you know, we were trying to play it so fucking safe in life. That I don't personally think that that's the point, right? We play it so safe in life that we stay in our comfort zone our entire life. We're fucking miserable there. We hate it. We're not happy at all. But we stay there. Because we know what to expect. In this in this comfort zone. We know what to expect. My example would be you know, I'm in jujitsu this morning. And somebody got me mount and I'm pretty sure that they're not going to do any finishes. I you know, I stay comfortable. I stay there for a moment. I feel safe. I may not be in the best position, but I feel safe. My ribs are being sat on my body is being squashed on somebody grunting in my ear. I'm like, I feel safe. Okay, here. Until until you decide that it's too much, right? You're not going to make a move. Until you feel like you're at risk. And heaven forbid you initiate that risk. Why would you initiate risk in your life? Oh my goodness, you're comfortable being uncomfortable. And staying where you are right now. And that's to me. Again, no way to live there's gonna be a point where you know you've got something's got to break. Something's got to give. Something needs to change for you to achieve. Achieve, to find find what it is you're looking for in life anyways, where do we start off with the same start off the same as like, hey, you know, people are going through some shit. Everybody's going through some shit, cheat everybody with some compassion. Find yourself a group of people that you can bounce off of that you can share with that you can You can release some of what's kind of on on your mind. And oftentimes, that's enough to give yourself that escape from the thing that you've been beating yourself up over, be kind to yourself for certain. And, uh, I don't know, I think that should do it. You know, look, life is safe if you want to be safe. I mean, I don't think that that's the point of the whole thing. Sure, there's calculated risk, you shouldn't do anything super stupid. Like, you know, trying to fly off the thing, without any practice. Saved without any practice, because I'm thinking about those guys that die from planes and just those bodysuits, right? Look, life is about something greater than just, just safety. Just making it by just existing. Do something for yourself that that makes you feel alive. Don't think that cutting or anything like that fits the bill, do something. But do something outside that gets you into a place that, you know, you're going to learn from it right, right or wrong, you're gonna learn from that thing that you've done that you've never done before. Just to see kind of how it all turns out. Anyways, again, that's that's kind of, that's my spiritual dove. That's how I kind of roll through these moments in life. And I also want to share with you look, I mean, I'm not I'm not, I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm saying I use these exact same tools that I'm sharing with you to get through moments like this, where I'm feeling small, where I'm eating myself alive. And I realize, you know, I've become aware of what's happening within and how I'm seeing things on the outside. And changing that perspective through through those different ways have been beneficial to me. And quite honestly, I had somebody told me the other day that they're going to find the things that work for them. I'm going to I'm just going to be straight here and say these are things that have worked for everybody. For people over 1000s of years that have been shared through these long term practices. Chances are, they are going to work for you so long as you actually apply them Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:01 What is going on? Spiritual doke, we try to figure out our way home, as we have just stopped out at a random random jujitsu joint. So this is a BJJ report, of sorts, but not totally BJJ report as a navigate and get out of the space. Hopefully these headphones a little bit better. As a speakers, or microphones and I've been typically using, we'll see that on the other side. But um, man, going and checking out someplace new is always something that I enjoy doing. Hey, Go Go ahead. You're driving a Buick, that tells me everything I need to know. And that's great. And going and checking out different spaces and places, right we get into, people always talk about being in a comfort zone. And the comfort zone is the place where you feel safe, the place where you feel known the place where maybe you feel welcome. Maybe you don't the place. And I say that because sometimes you can stay in a place that you're uncertain about, and uncomfortable in, meaning scared. Or maybe some things happen that you don't really particularly care for. But you stay because you're afraid that your next decision, given the fact that all the decisions that you've made have led you up to here, you're afraid that their next step, the next place that you go to, could lead you to something even worse than where you're at. And then rarely do we get past the sensation and the thought the idea of the possibility of something being better. Most times, you get stuck in the space of saying, Well, that could be worse, it's definitely going to be worse. There's no way I'm going there. And you don't get past the first fear cycle. I guess that's what I call it. And you know, that's a wave of fear. We're thinking of cycles, we think about an oscilloscope, if you're not familiar with an oscilloscope, an oscilloscope also frequencies and waves generally electronically. Driven, if that makes sense. So a full cycle would be from top to bottom of a wave. So you go through a fear wave. And a lot of people, many people will stop on fear wave number one, okay. I know it ain't happening. And so you stop off your wave number one, you're safe enough. You're still not where you'd like to be. But you know where you are? Right? You know that you're in a shitty place. You don't like it? But you're not die. Right? Is that true? Are you not dying? I'd have to say, I'd say that we're dying every day. Right? Each day that goes by is one less that we've got. And so, you know, the idea of getting out of getting out of our comfort zone. Trying something new is not appealing to a lot of people. And even coming here, I had fear coming to this BJJ place. Even you know, here's the here's the cool thing about BJJ is that you can pretty much land in any town, USA and find a BJJ place swing on in and say hey, I'm here to train I'm here to learn. I'm here to work with y'all. And most of them you know let's you're right in this one Harleysville PJ J had some stuff on the door says you know, check your check your ego at the door. Check your ego at the door and just come on in and see what's up. So most places are like that, where you go in and say I'm here to train and I'm going to train and the cool thing is is you know here's a bunch of guys that you know and you know one lady that I got to meet today that they're all in there trying to improve with their own BJJ. Or maybe they're even trying to help others depending on kind of their level. But here's the thing was the younger kid in there thought he might be better than it was, but you learn something for everybody. You learned something from everybody that you go against. And you learn something either about yourself, you learn something about their approach. And so no matter where you go, and you put yourself into a certain space or place, especially again in Jiu Jitsu, wow, I just learned this about myself or this about this place, and you take something away from the experience, you learn from the experience. And I'll admit, like I was saying earlier, I'll admit that I was absolutely, absolutely, there was some fear of sorts on the way they're like, Wow, man, what if they're not open, your mind starts, your mind starts playing tricks on you, right? Do your mind starts playing tricks on you? And you're like, man, maybe I shouldn't go maybe I should go to where I'm always used to go. And I know who's gonna be there. I know what's gonna happen. And you've already kind of got something set up with the place that you already go to. Like I said, you feel safe there. Sometimes Unknown Speaker 6:21 you like, fuck it. Yeah, Brandon Handley 6:22 maybe I'll go there. And on my way here is like Unknown Speaker 6:25 maybe what they're not open. What if they aren't cool? What if you know and heard some things here and there? Brandon Handley 6:33 From other people's personal experiences, I was like, oh, that sounds awesome. Especially you know, I punched it in and it was named as one place that heard some, some not so great stuff about as like, you know what, fuck it. I've already got for me. This is me. I've already got it in motion. Already got in motion. It's already in motion. I don't know how it's gonna turn out. I don't honestly you know, for me, I don't always have a whole bunch of expectations from from these types of outings outside of the game, just knowing that I'm going to learn something. Let's take something away from it. When I go to check out these, when I forget to check out these BJJ places, oftentimes I'm trying to learn something new, right? And what is it? Are they doing how are these guys different than then the guys and gals that I'm with every day all the time? How are they different? Right? It's not how are they better? Are they better? It's how are they different? What is different here? What is different than I like what is different than I don't like all that stuff and regardless of all of it I'm going to go against somebody who I I've never gone against each person that you roll with is is 100% different than again all the people that you've already already roll with. So we're all we all know this so getting out and kind of facing that fear getting beyond the fear cycle where the fear cycles once and most people like yeah I'm out there's then there's the fear cycle goes to the second time second fear cycle. Unknown Speaker 8:33 It plays a little bit differently than the Brandon Handley 8:35 first one though. And that second fear cycle the second time you let that through Unknown Speaker 8:44 and you say to yourself Well Why was what was different about that fear cycle? What I didn't stop at the first one I push beyond the first fear cycle and the second fear cycle seems a little a little more approachable maybe seems like a little less? I don't know. I don't know seems a little less Brandon Handley 9:04 unapproachable seems like seems so in that regard seemed like there was opportunity where there could be some success in this and that's the second superior cycle ah, the third fear cycle comes through and and again if you can get past the first couple fear cycles maybe you're starting to put it into motion or you know wait like I fucking Unknown Speaker 9:27 fear cycles wanting to fear cycle one was fucking no scary. Never do first cycle what's on your mind? Fear cycle to play it a little bit differently. Fear cycle tunes like what maybe I could do this fear cycle three. You're starting to, you're starting to you're starting to go in the direction towards your fears. Brandon Handley 9:49 You started starting to approach your fears. Unknown Speaker 9:54 You know, again, I know this is all my head says. This is all my head. This is a potential reality, based off of Brandon Handley 10:06 everything that I've ever known, which does not include the future. Unknown Speaker 10:14 She say that yourself, well, Brandon Handley 10:17 I can't tell you can't tell the future. You think to yourself, how many times have you nailed the fucking future? How many times have you been like, afraid to shit? And it turned out exactly the way that you thought that it was gonna turn out, right? Until this scared of this totally scared, scared, oh my god, I'm gonna die on it, I'm gonna die. And it passes. And you live and you're still breathing. And you say to yourself this way that that wasn't anywhere near as bad as I had convinced myself that it was going to be how many times have you been able to tell the future and a fear state that came true? Chances are, Unknown Speaker 11:10 you know, chances are one or two, right? And if you want to, if you want to hang your hat on those two or three times out of 1000s Brandon Handley 11:21 that you got right or wrong, right? You want to hang your hat on those two out of 1000s Feel free. I'm not here to fucking stop you. I'm not here. Love the line, Abraham Hicks. I'm not here to argue for your limitations. I'm not here to help you to remove any of your anchors that keep you where you're at today. I'm here. For y'all motherfuckers do the rest of you, right. I'm here. I'm here for the people that are willing to see things a little bit differently. I'm willing, you know, I'm here. I'm here for the people that are at fear cycle to who are looking for fucking hope. Who are looking beyond fear? Who are who believe that there's more to life than a life of fear rather than a nation of staying where you are today. I'm looking for people that are willing to change the way they think and it doesn't have to be a lot. Now, how I you know, one of the ways that I got through it getting out, I'm not going to tell you I don't have any fear. I'm not fucking fearless, y'all. I have a lot less fear than I used to have more courage than I used to write courage tipping point, towards the things that you actually want your life courage is moving forward and strength and love. Beyond and into your fears. So here for the for those people, here's a couple of ways that that worked for me, and they don't have to work for you. You can apply any of the shit you want. Or you can throw it all the way I don't care. Right? Part of it is leaning into your spirituality, right leaning into what I'm gonna go ahead and call your eternal self. right leaning into a had a friend post something about you know, adults, right here we are adulting. And basically, as adults, most of most of us haven't really adjusted the way we think. This thing kind of Ashton stone, since like, six or seven years old, right? Most of us are still like, as eating some frosted Mini Wheats this morning. And most of us are still like that kid. That uh, you know, the adult me likes to shredded wheat. The kid in me likes the, you know, the frosted part. Most of us are still like that kid inside. Right? The body's gotten older. Right? Your body, your body's aging. Right? Some better, some worse. But it's a it's a body that's easy. Now to eternal spiritual self that you are is that aging? Is that aging? Has it aged? Thoughts change? Sure. Your body changes? Sure. Your mind changes? Sure. The observer of all of this that is watching the shift that is going on this live eternal stream of your life. You are the observer of that. Right has that aged as it age. And if you can think of yourself in that, you know, it looks like a permanent thought, again, if you can see if you can see, even for a second like that, then you start changing the way you think. Alright, if you start changing the way you think the shift that you're starting to see starts to change. I know it's fucking one of those one of those cliches, right? driving past the house that I remember, when I looked at this place years ago, we never bought it, and pretty glad we did look at it. Wow. Um, the way to change the way that you see things inside, right, it's going to change things on the outside. It's going to change. Now get this guy change your approach. How does? So when you change your approach, you do things in the spirit. Right? You do things in the spirit of we used to have a line at work. We'll call it literally called fotd spirit of the deal. Right? How was the initial deal structured? And, you know, certain things have changed within the interim. But what was the spirit of the deal? What was your approach? How was your approach with that? So if you change your inner approach to your outer game right, then things change. And if your spiritual DNA too dirty, say this Bob Proctor passed away, but if he changed Yeah, I wrote it today. Your spiritual DNA is perfect. And when you couple some of these things together. First of all, you can couple it all together without telling anybody. You don't have to tell anybody that you're doing all this shit. Nobody can see you thinking well, some people say they can but fuck those guys. Don't have them. Um nobody needs that shit. I can see what you're thinking. No, you can't get out. Go you can try all this stuff yourself. You can try all put it all on. It's kind of like Amazon has now you can order ship. Try it on and send it right back. We don't fit. Same deal. If this doesn't fit you in any way, shape or form don't tell us it doesn't matter. And that's okay. No, it there's like, there's no judgement, right? Don't judge yourself for even trying out. Try it out. Put it off. See how it fits. You be like, Does my ass look fat in this? I feel like my ass looks fat in this. I'm not gonna do it. That's cool. No worries. Right? Move on. There is that you can do this. It's free. You can see if you like changes. And if you notice things are changing towards the better, which is hopefully what you're trying to do. Right. Unknown Speaker 18:06 And maybe there's something to it maybe there's something to Brandon Handley 18:09 it even if it's even if it's just an inkling keep this in mind even if it's just an inkling it's evidence of it. Right maybe maybe you want to hold got a friend that likes a fish you check this one out. She's got she's always checking this Fiestaware right. Checking out this Fiestaware looks all over really hard for it. Right now imagine like if you didn't try as hard he just saw the Fiesta were showing up. This is all attraction shit, but it still works still. still makes sense. And then, like, I don't know, some chips PS to where shows up. And you're like, well, that's just that's not perfect. Fiestaware I don't want it. I don't don't give it to me. I hate I wanted. I want perfect Fiestaware Um, here's the thing. It's the evidence of it on its way, right. It's like, ah, Fiestaware you're broke, shattered, damaged and ruined. Okay, really. Um, but it's starting to show up. It's kind of like when you're planting a tree. You know, first year you're like, Well, I planted a tree and it needs to be 20 feet by the end of the year, but you know, better you know that that's not true. Right? But uh, you know, that if you nurture that plant trees, just like if you nurture your thoughts and your imagination and your lifestyles, exercise is one of those things right? You know, if you nurture and continue to work along those lines, your tree is gonna fucking grow. Right? So if you begin to have positive changes from the way you started to see things changing, right from your inner work Starting in confusing now. Even I'm getting lost, like, where's the thread for this shit, Brandon, if you, if you, if you begin to see those changes coming into fruition, even just like minor evidence of it then I encourage you to continue to work towards that continue to work in that direction. Now, again, you don't have to tell any buddy, you don't got to tell anybody? This is you. You're inside? And if it's working great. If not, I don't know, reach out to me and ask for a refund. Right. At any rate, any rate, Oh, please. You know, again, some of this is some of this is helpful for you. This is kind of amusing as it were getting out of your comfort zone going and trying different new things. And some of those new things that you might try simple and free to you is the way you see things. And yeah, anyways, I done. I'm going to go ahead and get on out of here. If you're listening to this on a Saturday, there's a good chance that there is a spiritual dope. 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Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on with you? So Brandon Handley here voice of generation spiritual dope podcast. wanted to touch base about yesterday's podcast for you first of all, sorry, it kind of like Sorry, not sorry, the audio on it was garbage man. So really sorry about that I'm not sure exactly what happened, had a lav mic plugged in and thought that it was better than it was. Deal his content, I thought was pretty good. Got some good feedback. So thanks for the feedback on that. So it just reminds me of a message that I heard years ago, it's really about the message not so much the delivery. Of course, in this day and age, I'm not trying to give myself an excuse for putting out shitty audio quality. But just remember, remember when you were a kid, right? Most of this audience is like in the 30 plus region for younger than that. Thanks for tuning in. But we're like in the 30s Plus, like, probably closer like 40s, High 30s cable TV was out, right? Remember cable fucking TV. And there was that panel. And you were like, Oh, my God, check it out. Not allowed to watch it, there was the scrambled channel, you know what I'm talking about. And you hatch a boob you add to Dick, you would add something, and you would run out and tell your friends you like Bobby Susan, like, I found the shit. I saw Deke sauce moved here, never gonna believe what I did. Look what I did. It was so important to you that you didn't care about the quality of the content. Right. And the same thing kind of happens in this space. Even for me, like I'll listen to some crazy audio. Sometimes I turn it off. But uh, and you know, hopefully I catch that same content somewhere else or from the same person, right? So hopefully, hopefully wasn't too bad for you. I mean, look at look at how we all stood in line to get the COVID vaccine. We didn't care what the delivery mechanism was, we didn't care what we had to go get it, we just knew that we had to have it. Hopefully, this podcast is like that for you. So that being said, there is another reason that I like to do these podcasts in the car. And when we are on this learning journey, and when we begin to make leaps in our minds, we can be scared to share what we think is happening. I know I can be because it's if it's not scientifically validated, everybody's like, well, that's woowoo that shit, but that's not how it works. To that all combat stuff like, well, you might not know the mathematics behind the speed rate and trajectory that it's going to take for you to stop at that stop sign. But somehow, magically, in your fucking mind, you do it, it happens, right? You're coming up to a stop sign, you stop the car, there's a lot of math, there's physics, there's a whole bunch of shit that you just, you know how to do it. Now, if somebody asked you to go around and make a calculation of that shit, you'd be like, I can't. What I can't explain to you how I know what to do how I do, but I can do it. And, you know, so that that's great. But so part of part the challenge there is we want to be able to communicate, how we know what we're doing. Because when we make some of these when we have some of these insights when we have some of the things that happen for us like like for me for example, again, driving the car and and doing a podcast and sharing a message that's coming through for me or just being kind of in a zone after I come out of Brazilian jujitsu all amped up on the whatever dopamine is. FM Nigerians deoxy I don't know. The right one. Do one you know love drugs and whatever. But what's interesting, I'm pulling out a book. It's called The Art of impossible a peak performance primer by Steven Kotler. Let's see if I can get the image in there. Be on the green screen? No. Okay, sorry about that. So try to get the image in there but the this is a really good book. It's really interesting. Because for me a peak experience and you know, you can go to Abraham Maslow and you can look I mean, I'm pretty sure that's where we get peak experience from. At the peak there is self realization right? self actualization, I believe is the terminology he uses. But a peak experience in life is recognizing your innate spirituality, right, your innate creativity, and being able to access that kind of at will. And Steven Kotler and a lot of other people, I believe, you know, call call this being in the flow state. And I think that it goes beyond the flow state flow state, in my mind is basically where your, you know, time and space and all other shit stops, and you're just kind of you're in this great, feel good space doing what you love to be doing and doing it well. And when you're, when you're when I'm doing a podcast, when I'm driving, I feel like you know, it has some share some things, I feel like I share them well. And I feel like they're, they're impactful. I feel like they come from a place that, you know, there's a grittiness to it, right? That it's just like, it's true. It's raw, it's real. And so I love to share from that state. In his book, The Art of impossible, he talks about a couple of different the flow cycle, right, so the flow cycle, he talks about stage ones to struggle, where a lot of times, and he's talking about our emotions don't mean what we think that they mean, for most people frustration is a sign that they're moving in the wrong direction, however, and he said that frustration is a sign that moving in the right direction, which I love, because you know, I'm right now I'm seeing my youngest child experience, frustration. And I keep telling him not to get frustrated, but now I'm like, Hey, go ahead, get frustrated, that just means that you're moving in the right direction. And this means that means enough to you, that you want to learn how to do it, that like, you're pissed, because you can't write, you keep going, you keep doing that thing, because you want to be able to accomplish it, but you can't. So you're frustrated with that. So he talks about that a little bit. And getting into that, and he says the flow starts with a decision to fight back, that frustration is transformed into courage. If you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you know, for me that courage is super meaningful, in that, that is, that's the state that pulls you out of like fear and all the other shit. And recently I've read, I wrote something down to me, courage is, is moving forward, not just like, in spite of fear, but moving forward with strength and courage. Right. So strength and courage combined together to me, or weight, strength, strength and love, combined, equal courage, right? You, you, you move forward with strength and love. And that's courage in my mind. So, you know, he says, flow starts with a decision to fight back against frustration. I'm gonna caveat this to just simply because very things that I've been listening to recently, it's like, we're in like, February, and I'm already like, taking so much content. My brain is just like swimming and all kinds of awesome. But there's also the healthy normal, right? So I mean, you don't have to get fucking frustrated, you don't have to hit the bottom in order to become creative or get yourself in a flow state. But you do not have to, there's something that you're trying to overcome. There's something that you're trying to get into, there's a state that like, you know, the regular, the where you are today, all the time, there's still a space that you try to bypass in order to get into flow state. So what I wanted to share today was this idea that, that I absolutely thought of before, and this came from, there's a really great course in courser. It's called learning how to learn. And in that course, I forget the teacher's name, she talks about the frontal cortex. So the piece in front of our mind, right, the the executive mind function and all that other shit, the gatekeepers, if you will, right. And basically, we can only take in about four pieces of information. I think that we can take in like 40 bits while I wrote this down somewhere else, actually, recently, we can only take in like 40 bits of information. While our actual subconscious can like take in a shit ton. I don't know what the, I don't know the real number is but like 40 bits in our conscious mind that we can kind of access and work with and juggle, right once you get beyond like that, that like you're either in an overwhelm or you just fucking let it go. Right? So you can either be overwhelmed by you know, four things coming at you at once, or you can Let go of like the fucking noise you can be like, That's noise. You know, all kinds of people will tell you make the important thing, the important thing, keep the important, what's the important thing, keep your eye on that will keep your eye on the prize. definitely pay attention to so many different things right. And, and overtime anyways, like, let's, let's, again, let's go back to me driving, driving, when I first learned how to drive like I had to pay attention to everything driving, right like there was mad focus on driving until they were learned tendencies and like my subconscious can like handle it all on its own right. And it's all just kind of supernatural. I'm not going to change that right supernatural like is just happens. And it just works. Because I've done it so many times. It's a part of who I am. It's been built in. Alright, subconscious is all do what you need to do. We got this at the same time, right? I'm still I'm still paying attention, right? So now I'm driving, I'm just making sure that like I'm not hitting shit now. And I'm also now trying to keep like, we're talking, let's go back for keeping four things in mind. Right at a time they try, like try to remember five numbers right now top your head be like, you know, 5678 but in different orders, right? The numbers that you just don't know, somebody spits them at you, you know? How do you do that. And oftentimes, you struggle, like once you get beyond four of anything, you got to write it down. Okay. And you've got to keep notes and like, you know, all kinds of different stuff. So when you're driving, and in this class talks about like, you know, say keep these four things in mind. And once and once you've got those four things coming in, subconscious kind of has to take over subconscious needs to kick in somewhere. Or you release something to the subconscious. And so this is in the art of impossible talks about the you know, getting into the flow state, the cycles of it. The second stage is release fees. So, and I've already thought about this, I promise you, I just didn't know how to communicate it. And he says during the struggle, right, the prefrontal cortex is hyperactive, it's working feverishly to solve a problem. In release, we want to relax and let go. The goal is to take your mind off the problem. This allows us to pass information processing responsibilities from the conscious to the unconscious, executive attention disengages as the default mode network takes over releases and incubation periods about allowing the brains pattern recognition simply system to chew on a problem for a while, while you do other things. Right. Which is great, because here, if you're in this growth space, if you're in this personal development space, if you're chasing down your spirituality, you're a seeker, right? You're like what the fuck? I'm trying to figure out this problem and I've been just taking in all this information I've been putting all this hyper focus on it and person was just not working. I don't fucking get it. And the moment you step back the moment you let go falls in the fucking place. You know what? Why was I struggling so hard? Why was I trying so hard? To do all these things? Right? Because first of all, you were trying to work with 40 bits. Right? You were trying to work with like your prefrontal, your egoic mind your your, your 40 bits that thinks that so fucking clever, the things that knows all the things that things that keep it together, right? How many of you that are listening today, which for us is your furrier frontal cortex to keeping you alive while you sleep? To digesting your food to making your blood growing your hair did not give you access as fuck already. Right? Why would you you're like I don't who needs that shit. I don't need that shit. Right. So while I'm driving, right, this is my release period. The subconscious has taken all these problems and everything that I've tossed into it. And it's just spitting stuff out at me now now since I because I'm trying to drive my prefrontal like the thing that thinks that is fucking the egoic mind I'm just gonna call it that I'm sure it's really wrong. But that's focused on trying to drive it's it's focused on all these other things. Whereas like my subconscious or he's calling it the unconscious, it's just like, hey, we did all this information. We knocked it all down for you. We put it into a format is pretty fucking awesome. You didn't have to do shit because we got you and it spits it back out. Because I'm focused on driving, right? So think that that's really cool. And I've been looking for, you know, you look for validation to your insights, right? You're like, Hey, I have an insight. What is this insight that I've got? And they like, how do I, how do I verbalize this to people? And they're like, Well, you don't have a science degree. You're not like your, your you don't have like, you know, your, you know, where's your degree that says that you can say that, and here's the deal. So you got to go out and validate somebody else, somebody else has found what you've been looking for, and just put it back out. So this is it in the art of impossible, and he's talking about the flow cycle and the stage to release and again, this is like your prefrontal cortex. And this is why I love to do podcast in the car. So like, I, you know, I'm gonna title this podcast, sorry, not sorry, it's the message, not the delivery, I really do apologize for the audio quality, but it's also cool, too. I want you to understand why even bother to try to do them in the car. And also, here are some things that you could do for yourself, right? So I want you to also you know, change flip the script a little bit for yourself right when you and for me, this has been amazing. Write the flow cycle, once you get into a frustration state understand that you're not fresh, like you're frustrated. And that's a good thing. You're frustrated because you're trying to accomplish something. You're frustrated any like I fuck it. Let's go. Let's get all the information is pulled all together. I'm ready. And you know, once you say yes, to, to that frustration, right? Where's it say? He says, doo doo doo doo doo, you can't get enough if you begin to you embody courage, right? You face this, you face this challenge that you have you you just make the decision to fight back. Says he says, hell yes, I'll fight. This is where I make my saying, you face the fight, though with courage. And that courage is love and strength, strength and love, right? And we will approach it like that there's some little less, it's, it's not a resistance to anything. It's, it's an acceptance of, okay, these are the facts, this is the way that it is. And I embrace that, I hold that. And I create space for that. And then let your subconscious do the work. And this is this is what people meant by let go and let God write by let go and let God that means I get the fuck out of my own way. Because I can't with the 40 bits processing in my prefrontal cortex handle some of the big problems. Alone, right? In that moment, sometimes. And so it's like, alright, well, he even talks about it in this book, it's so great, it's really great book, I highly recommend it the art of impossible, maybe I'll make a link to it, maybe I won't, I don't know. It's a really good book, because there's a science to it. And, you know, if you've ever thought about like, what it means to let go and like, this is really kind of what what it could mean, allow for the things that are keeping you alive, your subconscious that's like just on hyperdrive, and I forget it, I'll look for the number sometime. But understand that, that's that that's the release, you let go of it, if you can stop putting pressure on yourself, in this immediate moment for the answer when the answer is really not oftentimes, right. And this is training from school. From back in the day, I got to finish this test. And you know, you put all this pressure on yourself to get the answer right fastest, to get an answer fastest. And sometimes that first answer is not going to be the right answer. And you'll know what the right answer is for yourself. When you just like to resonate with it. You feel so good with it, you're like that's the fucking answer that I've been looking for, for so long. If you can take the weight off of how long it's going to take for something to happen. That it just kind of happens in an organic way that's natural and feels good. I know it may make may not make sense. And you got to find there's a the people talk about a paradoxes paradox and all this. Right. I actually experienced it a little bit earlier in the work that I did. There's a space and you know, we're talking about there's a space in between states of being right. There's a space in between new all kinds of of ways that you already are. And it's in that space in that transition space where the magic happens. And I don't really know how to communicate that so well just yet. You know, this is you know the idea of that mystical experience. This is the idea of hope. bunch of other things. But it's it's a state that's really hard to translate. It's it could be the flow state, we just get into it where you let go we let go of the worry where you let go of the anxiety we say no fucking you can say, let go and let God and when you understand that you're letting go of some of this noise right I talked about earlier you've got the four pieces up there you like, what's the important thing you let go of everything is really not important to that thing. And you're left with the essence of the thing. You're left with something that's ethereal, it's light and meaningful. And all the all the excess baggage just falls away and you feel good. Okay, that's it Unknown Speaker 20:46 later. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Unknown Speaker 0:00 Going on spiritual dope was the generation here coming in? From the BJJ report, I just made a quick post here on Instagram, fuck around the reels, the reels, nobody likes to feel the Tick Tock that has whatever's next sensation, Unknown Speaker 0:20 whatever is the next sensation. The real said, Make it easy. What are you getting out of bed for today, whatever it is, Unknown Speaker 0:32 you make make it so that it's easy. And you can make it hard. And you can make it easy. You can make it hard. By going through the shit that I was talking about yesterday waking up, I gotta go to work. Got to do the grind concealed shit. Unknown Speaker 0:55 Guys grind and grind and grind. And next best thing, this is an accident, I'll be happy this next one, I'll be happy. Unknown Speaker 1:03 Or you can make it easy. And one of the things I'm thinking about is I had an interview last night with this guy. Neil positivity. And he's all about the law of attraction and how this works for him. And when it boils down to it, when it boils down to it, everything in your life, everything is how you see it. Even when somebody else tells you how to see it, you're still going to see it the way that you see. Right? Because how they tell you to see it. It's gonna be your interpretation of how sweet. So everything boils down to in life, how you see it. And we were talking. And I asked him, I said, you know, what about a magnet, we're talking about this yesterday to getting into getting out of survival mode. And this is a guy that came out of Camden, New Jersey, in poverty in one of the most dangerous areas in the country. And saw himself out of it through what he believes. And again, it's all depends on your belief system and how you see things is leveraging the law of attraction. And you know, he's very successful now having having the things he wants in his life. Ask them so what do you tell people who tell you the center survival mode that say they say they can't get out of it, there's no way out of this poverty, they're stuck in survival mode, they'll never get out of it. And his answer was was was super awesome and very telling. His answer was, your wish is my command. Simple and true. Your wish is my command. Whatever you think of whatever you spend your time thinking about whatever you see the most is what's going to show up. It's gonna keep showing up. The way you currently think is what got you to where you are today. It's not gonna be the same thinking to get you to where you want to be tomorrow. He was talking about the idea of say you're making say you're making 50k today. So you're making 75k today, and that's that's what you know how to do right now. That's where your level of that's an indication of your level of understanding. That's an indication of your belief system. That's an indication of what you're willing to see. You're capable of seeing for yourself in order to do something such as double that. What you do, who you are and how you think you're going to need to change. You've got a vision of who you are today. You've got the idea of what you're capable of. Today, you believe that you're at the edge of your capabilities, and the capabilities that you currently have that are getting what you currently want. And that's all you're ever going to currently get. And you keep Unknown Speaker 5:19 replaying that story, you keep replaying that memo in your head. And that's gonna be the shift that you get Groundhog Day just pass loca Jose, the movie especially because that is your life and measure single day, right talks about yesterday, that is your life and minister. Unknown Speaker 5:49 And when you realize that tomorrow, or towards the day, you realize that today is gonna be a lot like yesterday due to the nature of life, and you want to see something change today, then you've got to do something different today, you got to think differently about today, you got to think differently about who you are. You got to be able to see yourself differently. You are not you are not the same fucking person that you were yesterday 10 Fucking possible. Even from a cell you or nature, even from your next breath, you are a different person, inherently Unknown Speaker 6:43 think of a bartender for Sidwell bartender for a number of years. And one of the cool things about martinis and vodka is that whatever you put into it, it kind of takes the taste of and I was just thinking of this breath of air that we take and how minuscule it is how small this next breath of air fuel is going to be. And I think about dropping one or two drops of flavoring into a martini a couple even when you put a lemon twist in there, you take a slice of lemon, take the peel, no bigger than a quarter of an inch wide. It's smaller than that. And you twist it over the glass of that martini and the oils infuse that vodka and next thing you've got this you've got this brightly flavored beverage with just a twist of spritz, your like AKA, you know whatever is coming into you is going to flavor. Your next thing. Your next breath is going to be flavored by this podcast, your next whatever whatever you're thinking, whatever you're listening to, whatever you're seeing whatever is coming into you is going to be taken and reinterpreted and reflected right back I like instantaneous. So what are you changing about who you are today to get what you want? Today, and this exercise is not unlike anything else. The exercise is really simple. I imagine this is one of the things that I did for myself this past year and taking Sreekumar Rao's creative and personal mastery course anytime you start something new, I started a newer role as in sale. Anytime you start something new, you kind of you don't feel right. You don't you haven't been doing your entire life so something feels off. And you still see yourself I still saw myself as the old Brandon as you know. Not not Brandon, the sales guy. I hadn't learned on my lines yet. I didn't know my role yet. And the idea is to write down the things that you believe make up that role to be important, like what is it about that role? For example, in sales, to say okay, I've got to do follow up. I've got to do outreach. I've got to, you know, build relationships. I've got to be of service. I've got to be timely. I've got to know how to list of all these things that I felt like a good salesperson needed. And then, as the days went on, I was able to take a look at this list of things and say, oh, you know what? I am doing that I am doing follow up and don't follow up on like, I'm a Sales doing a, I'm reaching out on a salesman, you know, I'm asking the right questions. Oh my gosh, yeah. And I was, what I was doing was nothing about my person had changed the way that I've seen what I was already doing. changed. I hadn't put it, I had, again, already doing all the stuff that I felt like made up a good salesman, right. But what I hadn't been doing was putting it in a container of a Salesman, I've been putting it in the container of just kind of old Brandon. And it was when I was able to put it in a container. And when I was able to separate what I was doing, and realize that I was doing what was necessary for the role going out. Again, I don't know about this, going out and learn about I know about this, and grabbing and doing the things that were necessary to make me better at my role, and continue to improve on. So who I asked, I asked this in the breathwork sessions, like who do you need to be? Who would you like to be? Unknown Speaker 11:42 What needs to happen? What do you feel like needs to happen for you to become that person because you got to you got to become a you got to do becomes that you can have or some shit like that don't do. The deal is, is until you're able to see yourself as that person you're not going to fulfill that hole. So begin to understand who it is that you'd like to be. Understand that by talking to people who have done it before you by reading their books, by listening to their talks, by understanding their mannerisms by understanding that person. And you know, each person's gonna do a little bit differently but like if you can see yourself in that person, you're already doing those things. Unknown Speaker 12:29 Then does that mean you're well on your way? And I would say yes. So there's something someone that you're working on becoming. My guess is you're already that person. You're already doing some of the things maybe they're called translational skills, whatever, you're already doing some of that stuff. Unknown Speaker 13:02 That you ought to be doing. is just not doing it maybe where you would like to be doing it or maybe not doing it in front of the people that you'd like to be doing it in front of was the idea you know, you're not a tree you can move please you're not a tree you can leave. So hopefully some of this is helpful Right? Like I said, this kind of start off like wake up wanting the life that you got wake up doing what you want to be doing wake up discipline. God rest his soul Bob Proctor passes weekend. I love his line discipline is doing what you told yourself you were going to do. Doing what you told yourself you were going to do a lot of people say that Tegrity as well. Both are necessary. You wake up in the morning and you did something that you told yourself the night before that you were going to do you should take a moment to celebrate that because now you're doing it because you want to because you told yourself you wanted to do it. The speeds of celebration and these enjoy let me wake up for 47 there's other people like I'd rather be in bed okay, great. Stay fucking there. Do you do what you want in the morning, I'm going to do what I want in the morning. And therefore Ergo we are both having the lies that we tell ourselves that we want and when you're living the life that you say that you want, makes it a lot easier to get up out of that the morning and go and do it so I don't know where all this lands with you. There's the information do with it. What you will be on lookout that'd be later this fear I was serious I think of speaking of prosperity and spirituality you don't know it like I did that podcast prosperity practice very deep into this space but I also think that it goes beyond what a lot a lot of law of attraction speakers talk about spirituality to me is the cornerstone right the piece that once you kind of nail that once you've got to come one with the universe as it were, you know that shit it's just it's just kind of it's an amazing yes the spirituality connection with the spirit itself. To me that kind of takes off that's why I do what I do. Because I don't think a lot of people talking about it. In the same sense love people are certainly as attractive from material wealth sense. And that's why a lot of people get into it but what's missing is that what's missing is that connection you so understand what you really want that's why I do spiritual dope because each time each size I get ahead of that spiritual so each time that I'm fucking high on life, I know that I'll send out like, talking to me the vibrations feeling good about life, and I know that as I'm sending that out, I'm sending that out and loving and kind manner has to come back. has to come back. All right. Take it easy. Press work. If you're into it, check out Soma breathwork. If you're interested in how I'll present it, check out this Sunday at 1:30pm eastern standard time go to spiritual soap.co forward slash fresh hyphen, work later Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Meet Dr. Fred Moss Holistic Physician, Restorative Coach, Podcaster, Psychiatrist Expert Witness at Welcome to Humanity with Dr. Fred Moss Dr. Fred Moss arrived on Earth on March 1, 1958, and from that very second has been earmarked to be a healer.  The family he was born into was in chaos and, in many ways, was counting on his arrival to bring health and wellness back into balance.  Little Freddy had his hands full, and over the next six decades, he has made it his business to bring healing to the world around him, not only to his family and friends but to the community and world at large.  What a journey it has been.   Dr. Fred has had a host of life experiences, including, among other things, being a 2-time college dropout and a Northwestern University Medical School graduate (1988).  Over the last four decades, Dr. Fred has been firmly entrenched in the mental health system, first as a child care worker and then as an internationally well-known psychiatrist.  In addition, Dr. Fred has had leadership roles in multiple modalities, including inpatient and outpatient, homeless shelters, nursing homes, orphanages, halfway houses, drug rehabilitation centers, home visits, prisons and jails, and telepsychiatry in many regions of the USA.   Dr. Fred has been committed to the notion that communication, connection, creativity, and conversation are at the heart of all healing of all conditions of all types.  Without this, people simply do not heal.  With it, miracles regularly occur.  Voices heal.  Listening heals.  We humans are best when we are connected to others, and Dr. Fred's life mission has now become to assure that all people know that who they are and what they do matters and that their voice, no matter where they are from, or where they are going, can be heard.  As the founder of the Welcome to Humanity movement, and the True Voice Podcasting Mastermind and methodology, Dr. Fred now finds himself making the difference he came here to make.  His years in the community, where he has been a physician to over 40,000 patients, and his storied and adventurous life traveling around the world, has now left him uniquely qualified to remind us all of what we already know.  Communication is where love arises from, and speaking truth and listening authentically are the source of that love.  Dr. Fred is married to his dream partner, Alexandra, and lives in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas in Northern California.  He is the proud father of two beautiful children in Texas and is owned collectively by his three cats, Valentino, Despacito, and Winston. Links, audio podcast, and more https://www.linkedin.com/in/drfredmoss/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/dr-fred/ https://welcometohumanity.net/about-dr-fred Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask. But he's the answers to questions about you. It's a world with people in it. Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:42 Hey there spiritual dope. I'm on here today with Dr. Fred Moss, MD. He is the foremost expert on delivering your true voice into the world so that it can heal your voice matters. Your voice can heal. Dr. Freda has been actively practicing in the mental health field internationally for over 40 years and as a psychiatrist has been an unwavering stand for the transformation of prevailing disempowering conversation that encompasses the industry globally. He is a firm believer that conversation, communication, creativity and human connection are ultimately at the source of all healing of all conditions in all fields. Fred, thanks for being on today. We, we had a couple challenges, but here we are. Dr. Fred 1:27 Now here we are a couple of challenges tends to pull people together. It's like being in a foxhole with a new friend. There we are, here Brandon Handley 1:33 we are in the foxhole, then talk to Fred. Um, you know, you gave a quick, you know, we have a quick couple pieces of conversation before we got started. And one of the things that we talked about was like, You were kind of you what you said what I heard two different things, I'm sure so well, she said was that you know, we're we're conduits for creative energy, right source energy. And and that's really the deal with this podcast is that you and I are going to have this conversation. And a listener is going to tune in and and they're going to pick up on a message that's being delivered through source energy through the all powerful or whatever, through you to them today that can only be delivered right now. What is that message? Dr. Fred, Dr. Fred 2:14 I think the message is you are not mentally ill you are a human being. I think that what really got here is if pain, suffering and discomfort, frequently accompanying this particular lifetime, does not in any negative or any real way signify any kind of illness or disease. And in fact, all it really signifies is that you are a human being even in the form of exquisite pain, or even in this source, even if source by tremendous loss or fear, or anxiety, or confusion, or aimlessness, any of those things, one thing to really get is that all those experiences are exquisitely human. And if you can get away from believing that there's something wrong with you, if you can get away from believing that you're defective, if you can get away from believing that you're afflicted with a condition that leaves you less than another human being, I really invite our listeners to consider that that might not be the case. And what you might really be is just another one of us a human being 7.8 billion of us around here. And there's a good chance that you're one of them. Brandon Handley 3:23 For sure, and I love that message. And man, I gotta imagine that the past couple years, with the influx of COVID, really magnified, you know, the, the thought that they might be sick or ill, whereas, like you're saying that they recognize that they're human, right, and there's something they can work towards. How's that? I mean, I'm just curious, like, how's that been for you to address and see over the past couple of years with COVID? Dr. Fred 3:51 Well, here's the thing, you know, even with COVID, we're all suffering great fears and great losses and great confusions turnovers, we're all having, you know, some degree of anxiety about what the next day's you're going to bring? Or what's going to happen next, or where are we going to have to go? Or what are we going to have to do? Or who are we going to have to be in order to deal with external events? Now, the truth is, it's always been the most difficult of times, it just got a little more difficult. But there was never a time in the history of the world where the people who are living thought, this is not as difficult as it gets. And the truth is, it's always as difficult as it gets, and it gets a little more difficult. It's like part of the ride. So there is a prevailing conversation out there that depression is an illness. Now, let me make this very clear, Brandon, under no circumstances in mind, diminishing the impact of being depressed. I'm not telling depress people, and I'm sure we have some very real depressed people who are listening, that there's anything They're making up or that it's less, less painful or that it's in their head. No, no, no, no, no, quite the contrary, what I'm suggesting is, is extremely real. But it's so real as a human response to the world that we're living in or to the world that you're living with. So it is, it's like blaming a log for burning in a fire. If a log is burning in a fire, one thing you could do is blame the log for being flammable. Or you could get that there's a fire out there. And what logs do when they're in a fire is that they burn. And so the idea of being depressed, nervous, anxious, afraid, those kinds of things in the present times? Well, frankly, unfortunately, even though they're exquisitely uncomfortable, is just another piece of being a human being. Brandon Handley 5:58 Yeah, I mean, so since we're, since we're on the topic, right of that, I'll first of all, I love the I love the response. Like it's, it's always the hardest of times, right? No matter where we are, it's always it's always the toughest of times. And and, you know, I think once we realize that, these are, those are the conditions we are working with, this is the toughest of times, and this is what we're working with, right? In terms of, you know, the people that are depressed right now. How do we get them to I guess, switch that mind frame from depressed, I punched up the word stutter, because it reminds me of a Zig Ziglar. Quote, I heard a while back talking about not Oh, Indians are some type of Indian indigenous tribe that said, you know, they didn't stutter, because they didn't have a word for it. Right? So is it because we've got this word for it, and we've got a context for it. Which, you know, is one thought that I've got here. But how do we even just say, Alright, look, this is a human condition. What do we do next? Dr. Fred 6:58 Well, here's the thing. One of the, I guess, again, I'm not saying that if you feel depressed, you're not depressed. I am saying if you feel depressed, you are depressed. I get it. It's just not an illness. It's it's like, if you're cold, you're cold. If you're warm, you're warm. If you're, you know, it's like wherever you are, you are and depression in and of itself is not a pathological condition. Depression is an experience an emotion. And if, in fact, one is feeling depressed, it isn't like, oh, what should I do? Now I'm depressed, it's a well, maybe the thing to do is just get your depress. But okay, so I'm feeling depressed. Today, I'm dealing with depressed now, or in the last week, or most last week, you know, my cat gets run over or my friend gets sick, or my, you know, I lose my job, or, or if I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Or if it's just overwhelmingly difficult to walk through the world today, all those things might contribute to a sense of depression. And all I'm asking the listeners to do not to take their legs out from under them. And not to assume that because you're feeling something very uncomfortable, that there's something wrong with you. In other words, there's nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable. Brandon Handley 8:26 Yeah, I think that's great. You know, you're human, you're going to experience these these things. And it's a natural reaction, natural response to certain conditions. Right. And, and, you know, hopefully, try and deal with it, and don't recognize it as an illness. I think that when we, when we label it as an illness, it's really hard to get rid of it. Right. Which is, which is one of the things that I'm loving right now. Is this transition from things being from it being mental illness into mental health, right? I'd love to hear I mean, you've been in the industry for a little bit now. Right? How has that shaped what's going on in your space right now, the transits that language transition? Dr. Fred 9:14 Right? So Different people use different phrases like mental health or mental wealth or you know, something different than mental illness or mentally ill? And it in the world of healthy you have to be a little bit careful because when you say mental health and other that's a much more palatable, concept and mental mental illness. What I'm suggesting is, what if there is no such thing inherently as mental illness, that we're always mentally healthy no matter what we're feeling, even if we're feeling unhealthy, meaning Just because you feel unhealthy doesn't make you unhealthy. And just because someone else calls you on healthy doesn't mean, hey, Fred, I got some people who are not mentally healthy, I really get that. There are some people out there who aren't mentally healthy. What I'm gonna suggest is that most of those people, most of those people have one of a few different things going on there either taking in things that are hurting them toxic items through their mouth, or through their veins, or through their nose, or even through their eyes or the ears, those things can definitely comment cause mental derangement, or mental instability, even more than life does. So that's one way to get mentally unhealthy. And another way to get mentally unhealthy, you've already referred to is start calling yourself mentally unhealthy. And by that day, you will be mentally unhealthy. So once you acknowledge yourself as being deficient, once you assume that you're walking around with only half of a person, or with a person who's missing something called mental health or something called I don't know, or reuptake, you know, receptor, a receptor site or you know, some sort of neuro receptor neuro neurotransmitter. Well, then, it is precisely at that time when you accept that there's something wrong with you that at that moment, you start living life from there being something wrong with you. And at that point, of course, there's something wrong with you, because you say, so I got it. Brandon Handley 11:38 Yeah, I mean, I jotted down here, you become the authority on yourself. Right? Even if you've got some outside person telling you. Like you're saying she's telling you that you're not mentally stable. I think that you should be the premium. What I'm hearing you say it's kind of like, you should be the one that sets that tone. Right? Yeah. And because, again, once you accept that yet, that's something that you go ahead and carry and you just, you kind of point to it. Well, I'm this way because of XYZ. And always mentally healthy. I think, I think of it in this terms. And, you know, I'd love to hear your thought on it. Right? Like, I'm sick, if I feel like, I'm have my body sick, but mentally, like, I feel fine, right? Like, my, there's no bruise on my, you know, mental health. It's just that my body feels sick. And my body's just kind of weighing it down. Is that? Dr. Fred 12:35 Okay? So again, we start it starts via you're asking great questions. But what this is, look, you can feel really sick. And at that point, when you feel sick, like I can't think I'm not myself. My thoughts are running ragged. And you can call that illness if you like, or you can call it what it is, which is that you feel sick, that your thoughts aren't running the way you wish. That's all okay. You want to know why those are aspects of simply being a human. They're just part of being human. In fact, I contend every single thing that has ever happened to you in your life is part of being human 100% of everything that has happened to you in your life is part of being human. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to get that. Brandon Handley 13:34 Right. No, I mean, we land right on it. We certainly do. We certainly do. Well, I you know, appreciate you like I said hopping on here today. I did take a read through your your book, your creative eight. I thought that was pretty interesting. And I think that it ties in well, I mean, I did literally, it's funny. You know, we talked about synchronicities, right. And this morning, I did a quick blurb on recognizing yourself as creative, right? No matter what you're doing, you're creating something right, you're either doing it internally or externally. And you hit on a couple that I certainly enjoy and recognize as creative which is, you know, when you cook, right and recognizing that it's just kind of like a creative endeavor, and you can find yourself in a really nice state of flow. But I'd love for you to share with the audience who may not be familiar with you a little bit of your creative ate. And you know, how you decided to you know, throw that out there and make that when your pieces? Dr. Fred 14:30 Sure, thank you. So creative eight, you know, healing through creativity and self expression. So what I noticed when people would say, Well, yeah, what am I supposed to do when I feel lousy? What I when I feel detached or when I feel afraid when I feel anxious when I feel hopeless when I feel you know, just generally uncomfortable? What am I supposed to do with that? What can I do that will that will allow me to again find some sense of satisfaction or joy And I noticed something that I think we all know is that is when we're in the action, you just spoke to it in the world of cooking, when they're in the action of creating, and really, this might go a little bit more towards your listenership here because it's, it's starting to butt up against the Creator, if you will duck creator. And we start getting that when we act as creators. When we act as you know, in the image of, then what happens is when we're dancing, or singing, or our, you know, creating art, or cooking or writing, when we're doing some of these things, when we're in the midst of doing art, music, dancing, singing, drama, cooking, writing, and gardening are the eight. Those symptoms, which I hesitate to call symptoms, those uncomfortable feelings tend to lift and we find ourselves in a creative space that is remarkably rewarding to our soul at the very moment, no matter whether we had had one of these circumstances going on, or not prior to doing it. So the creative way, eight points towards eight things that you can do, and be like in the world of art, or music, or dancing, etc. That while doing them, you get an opportunity to get relief from whatever your despair is, whatever your discomfort is, I added a couple others by the way, photography and cleaning became number nine and 10. And ultimately, there is an 11th one, and that's the one I use when none of that somehow the other 10 aren't available, which I'm not sure how often that is because even to make music, if you take two sticks and hit the table, that's music, that's fine. And that is helping anyone do anything. So again, in the world of image of when we're at maximum service as humans, humans, for whatever reason, helping anyone do anything, the negative symptoms and negative frequency symptoms do tend to lift during that process. And I invite people to take just a few minutes a day to remind themselves and when they're doing that, there is relief available, and you don't have to stop it to three minutes a day, you actually could do it several times a day, you can overdose on this particular medicine. Brandon Handley 17:22 Yeah, I love it. And I had a friend of mine, who was on the podcast, and he'd he'd mentioned the last one that you'd mentioned, whenever his mother was feeling down. Or, you know, he'd said that she would do would do acts of kindness, right? They had nothing and they would go like to other grocery stores and get bread and handed out to the needy, right even though they didn't have anything but it was a way that they were able to feel good. So I love I love hearing that as, as a prescription of sorts. And I love your speaking my language, right? When you're saying, you know, when we do this in act in the image of right, recognize ourselves as creators in the image of, you know, that that's to me what we're here in the image of not as humans, that's not the image that we're here to portray. We're here to portray the internal and greater spirit and the creativity, great creators that we are. Right. And the other thing you had mentioned, you only do it like about a minute a day this morning, I'd mentioned write out the thought that any just one moment, you know, make it make it real. Because if it's just in your head, we all have to overcome these hurdles, like 90% of getting out there. And being creative is like, well, what if this sucks? What nobody would nobody likes my cooking? Why should I cook right? And that's another thing that you mentioned too, is that, hey, maybe you're classically trained as a pianist, maybe you're classically chained as a chef, and trying to eliminate. You mentioned a couple things, eliminate, like the judgment of your creativity. And then the other one that you'd mentioned in there, which I really enjoy, too, is, uh, do something you've never done before, to be a creator in a creative space in something brand new. To bring that beginner's mindset love to hear how you kind of got into how you made that the formula? Sure. Dr. Fred 19:15 Well, it takes creativity to do something that you've never done before. And sometimes it's like, you know, if you'd like playing the same song on the piano, and you get down and you start playing that same song that you've always played, you play chopsticks again and again and again and again, then that's not the same as being creative that's actually starting to fall into familiar territory. So I know when I pick up a ukulele or a harmonica, or when I pick up even an SLR camera, or if I pick up a paintbrush or, you know, sculpting tools. I'm doing something that I've never done before and by definition, whatever I do next with that tool will Being new will be different and will be in the world of creativity. So there's a fresh new understanding that shows up. And along with that what shows up is, I learned at that point that I don't know everything, and that there are some really new spaces that I've never done. Because otherwise we walk around quite often thinking that we know everything we need to know to be us. It's true. We know everything we need to know, in order to be us. We do I get it. Brandon Handley 20:31 Right, right. Right. Absolutely. I mean, and I think that is when we, I guess, when we experienced these, these new things that you're talking about, that we begin to understand that there's still quite a bit more to us that we need to to find, or there's still more to us to find out. Dr. Fred 20:50 Mm hmm. Yeah, there is, there's much more to us to find out. And, you know, I like my wife likes to dance tango, and I, I'm not officially a tango dancer. But every so often, I'll be like, give it a try. And I'm kind of clumsy. That dance allows for that to some degree. And or she's also a painter she has, you know, she has a whole studio there with brushes of multiple sizes and paints and acrylics of multiple types. I don't know the first thing about, and I know that when I take those things on, and I began to really explore what's there for creativity, any of the negative experiences, which I experienced it I say quite frequently, in between, you know, in between events, I might fall pretty deep down rabbit hole, it's, look, it's a tough world out there. It's it is it's a tough world to live in. And feeling bad sometime during the day doesn't mean that I'm sick, it only means that I'm feeling bad. And if I don't want to feel bad anymore, one thing I can do is become a creator. And the easiest way to become a creator is in these, you know, sort of performing and visual arts of our music and dancing and singing and drama. And then in the kitchen of cooking, and then writing and then gardening. And that's, by the way different than going to a museum or reading a book. These things are not necessarily creative, although you should do them, you should go to a museum frequently, and you should read lots of books. But it's not in the realm of creativity that's more in the realm of being receptive to someone else's creativity. And what I'm suggesting is writing and making art is more effective for reducing these uncomfortable experiences than going to a museum or reading a book. Brandon Handley 22:45 Well, the thing since Cindy, here that you with all your knowledge and capabilities, and, you know, vascular fast toolkit, that you still have negative experiences. Right? I mean, so I mean, and again, but I think that's important for for anybody to hear, like even, you know, even the master, right, as it were, still has these human experiences, because you're human. And, you know, we need to understand that. This impacts everybody that when, when you have these and you're feeling bad, you're experiencing shame humanity you're experiencing being a human. Now, when we talk about recognizing it, you know, are you talking about like, just kind of leaning into like feeling bad just recognizing it? And are you would you recommend, hey, don't judge yourself for this, like, again, recognize yourself as a human, you're feeling bad. So what do you want to do about it? What do you take that? Dr. Fred 23:41 Yes. So, you know, is all the don'ts out there, they don't work very well. So you know, when I judged myself, I'm also being a human. So don't judge judging yourself either. Every experience that you're having is just another example of being a human. So first of all, to your first point, I actually feel bad frequently. And I could even make a case that when I feel bad, it's it's as bad as I've ever felt ever in my whole life and worse, because I apply you know, whatever I know about how to not feel bad and and when my when I break through into helplessness or hopelessness or fear, or anxiety, or depression, or aimlessness or confusion, or any kind of weirdness, or super misery or pain, or disgust or disappointment, or grief, or lack of energy, all of these negative vibrational experiences. When I go there now, it's deeper and darker and nastier than it had been ever it's not. It's like dude Brandon Handley 25:00 But that but I mean, right? So I mean, why would you say that is, is it because you know, all the things that you know, and then like you still find yourself there anyways, Dr. Fred 25:08 it's part of being human. What I'm saying is, by being human, you get to experience all of human culture, when I allow myself, when I stop pretending that I'm supposed to not feel this way. Then what I get is the whole kit and caboodle. The goal in this life might not be to feel great every minute. Brandon Handley 25:33 Like, sure. Dr. Fred 25:34 Can you be with feeling great about feeling terrible? Brandon Handley 25:40 Absolutely, right. You know, I'm a fan of Alan Watts. And I guess he goes, he's got the one line, you know, to know the crest, you got to know the trough. Right? Exactly. So if all we were was like, continuously happy, you are anything like how would like, I don't know where you live currently, but it'd be like driving through the Midwest, right? Like, it's just flat and like, overtime. Like there's nothing here to see there's nothing here to see. Right. So by having those highs and the lows, we're gonna, we're gonna have different perspectives and varying perspectives. One thing we talked about Dr. Fred was, you know, you in this journey of yours, I'm assuming you mentioned you've had some spiritual breakthroughs and some spiritual moments, I know that when I experienced what I would have called when I still call it like an awakening experience. There was a question on my mind for a moment like as my losing my mind, right. So I guess where does that fall in the human experience sees? You know, suppose it spiritual awakenings or breakthrough moments, what was that look like in the professional field? And, you know, in your experience? Dr. Fred 26:49 So can you pose the question one more time Exactly. Brandon Handley 26:54 Like the spiritual awakenings? Yeah. Where does that fall in your professional field? A and B, have you experienced into yourself? Like, you know, again, for me, when I experienced I was like, Oh, shit, I'm losing my mind. Right. But I was able, again, to personally, look at my history and apply it in different areas that was my mind and fell forward into it tense, you know, here we are having this conversation. Dr. Fred 27:21 Yeah. So spiritual awakenings, you know, it's hard to hard to really point a finger on it, because they're not they don't lend themselves to three dimensional language. They don't lend themselves to linear language. So trying to put language to these things after they occur. is a it's a, it's a difficult task. It's not really it doesn't lend itself to being described. So part, you know, part of it is you almost wake up on the other side of one and go, it's sort of like an earthquake, you know, you wake up on the other side, like, Oh, that was a spiritual awakening. It's not something to plan for. It's something you've ever had experience with before you have one. And even when you have one, it isn't like Been there done that I will recognize my next spiritual experience, or my spiritual awakening, and no, not at all your next spiritual awakenings coming at you. And when you experience it, you won't have words or description that's ready. So in some ways, I think what happens is there's an understanding during that time of eternity, or of divinity, of providence of something greater than me, that is running the show something greater than me that has it be that I was headed in a certain direction. And then x&y occurred either internally or externally. And now I'm headed in a different direction as a direct result of that experience. And the only way I can understand that experience doesn't fall in some sort of reality, or rational thinking that preceded it. But it does fall in some sort of magic that was outside of the realm of imaginable. And that then gets categorized as a spiritual experience, which then, you know, sends my life careening in another direction. Brandon Handley 29:10 Oh, you know, to your point, right, everything, everything that you mentioned, it's so that's what was true for me. In that experience, I was like, I don't know, didn't know what it was going through. It had to reach out to multiple people who I thought like I could at least express myself to one was, you know, a Buddhist monk. And another one was, you know, a couple people that were in the in the space, you know, spirituality space. And when I tried to describe it against my wife last night, the words simply didn't, I couldn't I can't form the words to make it happen, right to share that experience with her. And there was no way that I saw it coming. Right now, I don't know what the next ones are gonna look like or you know anything. I have no idea. I barely, barely. I'm still I'm still bowled over by the last one that happened like four or four years ago. Right? And Chase not over. So, um, for the listeners that goes through this experience, or comes to you, what do you tell them? Dr. Fred 30:22 You might be surprised that it's the same answer. It's Welcome to humanity. You get to have those things happen, and you get to have everything happen. This is a temporary existence down here on Earth. And that's undeniable is frankly, the only undeniable thing of this life is that it will end on Earth anyways. So in this closed ended experience, you're going to have experiences that get described as a, b, c, d, e, spiritual experience, or depression, or everything in between. And I invite our listeners, when that is overwhelming as well, when your spiritual experience takes you aside, and has you just like tumble into the unknown, that that's just another example of being able to take on Welcome to humanity as a way of dealing with it, you know, like, wow, is to something being human. And, and in some ways, if there's room to show gratitude, or thanks, that might be a good space to show it. Brandon Handley 31:31 Hello, love that. You know, and again, without the language without like, a background in it, that's sometimes where I land myself like is are we just, you know, as Alan Watts called, call it peopling. Right. The earth is like peopling so we're just, we blossom in our own time, are we people at a certain point, and this is just part of that experience. So I appreciate I appreciate that. haven't really had the opportunity to talk to anybody on professional level about it. So it's really great that you're on here is just kind of, to have this conversation. Is there I mean, this is what is like one question, I guess, in this space that you wish somebody would ask you that hasn't yet. Hmm. Dr. Fred 32:14 Wow. Um Brandon Handley 32:21 or, you know, Dr. For what are we? What are we? What should we be talking about that we're not? Dr. Fred 32:25 Yeah, I think what we should be talking about is that the biggest crisis in the world right now, is not what we think it is. We think the biggest crisis might be I don't know, some of us think climate change. Other of us think racism, some thinks it's sex trafficking. Others think it's the virus. Other people think it's, you know, divisiveness or corruption or censorship, or, and it's getting close when I say censorship. You see, the biggest crisis in the world today is that we are giving up on our own voices. We are having our voices removed from us, either by us or by the world around us. There's a new level of constriction and contraction and restriction that has us no longer honoring our own authentic voice. So we're actually speaking in what we think are safe ways in order to protect ourselves in order to survive, and at the cost of sacrificing our own authentic message. So what we should be talking about, is whatever it is, that is our authentic message, we are here for a short time, what is shame to get to this life, and never actually deliver your authentic message to anyone why you were here? To me, that is the greatest crisis and the greatest tragedy on the planet at this very moment. Brandon Handley 34:05 Yeah, I mean, that's, that's a super powerful. Right. And I think that goes back to the point of, you know, how do we are you a fan of Hawkins? Sure. David Hawkins. So he talks about his consciousness schedule, right or his consciousness bit? How do we get people to that 200 scale, right, which is courage. How do we get people to take a step into themselves and have the courage and in my mind, I think of courage and strength and love, combined right, for themselves, to begin to speak, not in safe ways, but to speak in ways that are ultimately in alignment with the truth of who they are. Dr. Fred 34:51 I you know, there's some level of urgency that took us now. I think we if we look in the mirror in the morning, or any day I think we can no longer be honest with ourselves that everything is going to be okay. And we know it. Not the truth is everything is going to be okay. And we do know it. But we don't know what's going to happen next week, next month, next year. And we don't know that our voices become going to become somehow more available to us. I think all of us know that it's possible that our voice is going to become less available to us. So there comes a point where you one just has to own their ground, and say what so right now, the amount of relief and amount of power and the amount of contribution that one gives to the world when they speak their truth, no matter what it is, is quite considerable. And once I speak my truth, like I'm attempting to do now, you know, my truth is that is about sourcing people finding their truth. Once I speak my truth, I feel like I can open the gates for other people to speak their truth, and it's it that's contagious. That's what contagion looks like. No, no math necessary for that one. Brandon Handley 36:15 Right. I love it. So what when when you share this message, and you're, you know, maybe you're having coffee in a coffee shop, talking to a friend sharing this message? And and they say, you know, Dr. Fred, or Fred, you know, I don't how do I do that? Like, what's, what do you recommend to somebody just get started on that? Dr. Fred 36:33 Yeah, well, the first thing is to really come to grips with, you're probably not speaking your true voice, and it's okay. Again, no reason, no reason to rip a hole in yourself, because you're not speaking your true voice. You're not speaking to your voice, you're just saying what the boss wants you to say. You're just saying what your wife or your husband wants you to say, you're just saying what the community wants you to say what your friends want you to say you're just saying what it is just to stay solid. So you can somehow make it back into your house at night and go to sleep. All right. Cool. It's fine. Now, does that life look like one you want to keep living? And when you start asking yourself that question, you start taking baby steps, you start saying things that are a little more consistent with what you want to say, that doesn't necessarily mean screaming at the clouds, or, or telling your boss to shove it or telling your wife you're leaving. That's not necessarily what I'm speaking to, what I'm speaking to is you might be able to tell these people, what's really going on for you. In areas where when you communicate it, the other person receives it and in such a way, are altered by your truth. Like get oh my god, this is a person, this is another human being speaking their truth. And that, like I said, has a very attractive magnetic value to it. When we speak our truth. We can even speak easier with people who disagree with us, or people who are, you know, entirely opposed to what we're saying diametrically opposed. And we still can be with those people. If they're speaking their truth, and you are doing more speaking hours, that's where you really can learn, listen to the people you don't agree with, as if you care about what they have to say, that's another good space to learn how to speak your truth. Brandon Handley 38:34 I think that's fantastic. You know, I agree. I am personally feeling some sense of urgency, right? There's something there's a there's a pressure to express. Right. And, and to get that actual messages out there. So I really appreciate you sharing that and some different ways to approach it. You know, and to identify the the whole fact that, yeah, what we say is, is is is is enough to keep us safe, right? How much I don't know why I'll watch this all over my head right now today, but like, you know, I think he mentions it, I'd rather live like a good life that I enjoyed a short one that I enjoyed, rather than a long one that was painful, right? by by by, you know, not being ever expressing the truth of who I am. And another thing that I recognize, I feel like I recognize over this past couple years of the pandemic was that nobody was spared. Right through this pressure. And this does need and looking for a place to vent and nobody was spared from ultimately being human. Right. Everybody was going through the same thing the same time. And so I think that was an opportunity for us all to bond and have some of those honest conversations. And And to your point when we can have these honest conversations. I know that I had one with, you know, my supervisor and one of my roles. I let them know I said, Hey, I got some things going on at home right now. And if I seem like I'm a little distracted, I am, right because I got some things going on. And he's like, alright, well, you know, thanks for letting me know, everything's gonna be alright. But But I felt so relieved. Sure, empowered, that I was able to share that. Right. Um, and didn't you know, there was no repercussion? Real Being authentic for for sharing the truth of what's going on for sharing my humanity. Dr. Fred 40:45 Right, exactly. Beautiful. I'm glad you did that. Super great. Good example. Brandon Handley 40:50 Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate that. And again, thanks for bringing that up. So I'm at the point now, where I asked a couple different questions. If we're good to move on, right from from where we're at? Sure. Dr. Fred 41:02 We are I have. I have about five, five minutes or so it phases out. Okay. Brandon Handley 41:08 Yep. So I'll just get I'll give. I'll give us one. This is kind of the point in the show where I like to call spiritual speed dating, right? Okay, Fred, like somebody is gonna, it's always gonna tune in and hear you you're looking for looking for the next spiritual date. And what's the greatest quality humans possess? Dr. Fred 41:26 The greatest power quality that humans possess? Is the capacity to listen and learn. Brandon Handley 41:30 Okay? What prevent what is it that you feel prevents people from living their full potential? I think we hit on a little bit. But if you want to explain a little bit more, Dr. Fred 41:41 we are. We are programmed for survival. And we think that by not living our true potential, we are being safer, when in fact not living to your true potential in no way gives you a safer life. Brandon Handley 41:57 Amen. Amen. Well, look, Dr. Fred, thanks for being on today. Thanks for working through the technical kinks, as we got this thing going. Where should I send people to find out more about what you have to offer? Dr. Fred 42:08 Well, there's a couple places number one, I have a website that's going through a revision, that's Welcome to humanity dotnet. And if you really want to, you know, take on this community of finding your true voice, that's where I'm really spending most of my time, I would tune in to the true voice community, the true voice community on Facebook. That's a group that's building up now. And it's really an opportunity to grow with people who are really interested in authentic messages, no matter what they are in content. It's a beautiful group of people who are really interested in saying what they mean meaning what they say and learning how to listen to others. So the true voice, community as well as my you can ding me on Facebook or on LinkedIn. Those are the two places that I spend any time in social media. And then of course, I have my own podcast. Welcome to humanity podcasts that I invite people to listen to, and I got some pretty good conversations. Maybe I'll have you on shortly. I think that would be fun. Brandon Handley 43:05 I'd love it. Dr. Fred, thanks so much for being on today. Dr. Fred 43:07 My pleasure. Thanks for having me, Brandon. It's been great. Unknown Speaker 43:10 Got it. Really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dough podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove.co. You can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual dough, and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. 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Based in the San Francisco Bay Area, Zach Beach, MA, is committed to building a world based on unconditional love and connection. He does that as an educator, yoga teacher, poet and writer, and as the founder of The Heart Center love school. Author of The Seven Lessons of Love and two poetry collections, Zach regularly leads transformational retreats, workshops, and teacher trainings around the world. Zach is a certified Yoga Teacher (E-RYT500), Meditation Teacher, Thai Massage Bodyworker, Sex Educator, and Prison Yoga facilitator. His online writings have appeared in such websites as The Huffington Post, Elephant Journal, and MindBodyGreen, while his poems have been seen in such publications as October Hill Magazine, The Oddville Press, and The CHILLFILTR Review. Zach's formal education includes an M.A. in East-West Psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies and a BS from Northwestern University. Learn more at www.zachbeach.com Brandon Handley 0:00 Their spirits are dope. I'm on here today with Zack beech. Zach is an internationally known yoga teacher, best selling author, poet, love coach and founder of the heart center, love school and host of the Learn to love podcast, committed to building a world based on unconditional love and connection. Zack regularly leads retreats workshops and transformational trainings on opening the heart and discovering our loving nature. Zach, thanks for being on today, man. Zach Beach 0:28 Thanks for having me, Brandon. Yeah, we Brandon Handley 0:30 were talking a little bit here before and there's so many places to connect with, like, where do we connect from? And we connected you, you, you popped over to the podcast website and just said, Hey, let's connect. And I think Man, I think that was back in September. So here we are, you know, blast and all the way out of 2021 and 2022. Again, happy to have you on here today. Pretty crazy, right? Zach Beach 0:52 Yeah, thank you so much for having me. You know, I started my own podcast when COVID happened. And I now have a newfound respect for all the other podcasters out there. I know just how much work it takes to get this out into the world. And we really appreciate the work that you were doing in the world. Brandon Handley 1:10 I appreciate that. Appreciate that. So, Zack, I like to start this off with the whole idea that you and I we are, I don't know, we're vessels for Source Energy. Right? And the whole idea is that this podcast, you and I will have our conversation. We're gonna have somebody who's listening, that's going to get a message is delivered through source through you on this podcast to them specifically today. What is that message? Zach Beach 1:32 That love is why we are here. Brandon Handley 1:36 Yeah, totally. Let's let's dive into that one. What does that mean to you? Zach Beach 1:42 So, you know, I love getting deep into philosophy. I love exploring many of the world's spiritual and religious traditions. And something that I always talk about is how almost all philosophy, spirituality, religion always begins with, like a fundamental unease about the human condition. Right? Now, sure, maybe animals have a certain level of sentience to them, but you look at your dog, they're so happy, they're not worried about the inevitability of death. And they're not praising the the treat God or whatever. And what I mean by that is we have fundamental questions about what it means to be here, what it means to be human, what it means to be in this world, what it means to be a good person. And as I have followed this path of inquiry, path of self discovery, I have found that the answer almost always invariably comes back to love that we are on this planet to discover our own nature as love, we are on this planet to open our hearts to the love that is around us. And if we're looking to find a deeply meaningful, deeply impactful life, love will take us there. Brandon Handley 2:51 Yeah, so I mean, let's, let's, uh, let's chase your journey a little bit, right? How did you? How did you end up into this space? How, what was your path that lead to this discovery? Zach Beach 3:04 For me, my path has always been one of continually reflecting on what really matters most in life. And then simply making sure you're living in line most with your values. So for me, that was a process of both yoga and meditation, by learning how to calm the mind learning how to turn within, rather than seek this material world for temporary pleasure, look to see if there is perhaps, and a lasting joy that we can find within ourselves. And through that continuous process of reflecting on what truly matters in life. The answer, again, that I kept coming back to is love. And I realized that what I loved was love. And I wanted to devote my entire life to bring a more love into the world. And this was about 12 years ago. And as soon as I started on this path, I realized how extraordinarily challenging it is to live a life of love. Not only because we all have certain unconscious patterns and conditioning that get in the way of love. But we also live in a society that doesn't place love very high on the priority list. It's very hard to make a living in this world devoting oneself to love there isn't a love Incorporated, that you can apply and get a job that you can't go to school and major in love as much as I would love to. I'd love to just major in love and minor and compassion and study the nature of the heart. But these things don't quite exist yet. So once I embarked on this path, I realized I would have to carve out an entirely unique path that was uniquely my own, just as many of your listeners are probably discovering the love that they are, and also thinking about how they can bring more of it into the world. So nowadays, I do think of my work in the world as being on the level of the body, the heart and the mind. So on the level of the body. I love teaching yoga, I love people to connect their bodies to love their bodies. I also love to get bodies to connect to other bodies through partner yoga, Aqua yoga, time massage. And on the level of the heart. I love to write poetry, which to me is the language of the heart and gets us even closer to love than the mind ever could. And then on the level of the mind, of course, I write, I teach workshops. I have coaching sessions and coaching clients. And because when I started this path love schools didn't exist. I decided, You know what we need our own love school. So I started what I call the heart center love school, which has public programs and trainings and workshops all around developing the heart. So for example, right now, we are in the middle of an eight week, Mindful self compassion training, which is an eight week course, designed by the researchers Dr. Kristen nuff. And Christopher grimmer always rooted in scientific research and empiricism on what practices really help us bring more kind of kindness and compassion to our selves. Brandon Handley 6:03 So, sounds like you've been busy. And that's a good thing, right? I mean, it's your point. You know, I think that if, you know, I can remember God man, like 20 years ago, 25 years ago, and I was working at an auto auto shop as detailing cars. And I'd found some type of, you know, love, I'd found some type of connection to Source as they will, this is what I need to do now. And everybody man is looking at me fucking like, what is this guy? Wow. Yeah. So, um, you know, needless, I mean, I, you know, there was some other things involved. But I mean, it's same point, like, you find this space for yourself, and you try and share it with others. If you try to share it in a normal setting, we'll call it right. There's no, there's no love Corp. Not yet. But, you know, we share it with like, just your regular run of the mill people like yeah, that's not gonna work. Right? You're not You're not gonna be able, you're not gonna be able to find that kind of life. And so it sounds like, you know, you put a lot of time and effort into this and, and found some ways that you can live in, in love and, you know, teach others to at least find love within themselves. Right. That's fine. Love. I love all of the ideas that was it. Major in love and binary compassion. Right? But even before that, why don't you give me a little bit of like, you know, Zack, who were you before you fell, you know, fell into the space and found that for yourself. So that we have an idea of like, who was his act before you Zack now, right? You know, there's always that question. Who were you before you were born? Zach? Zach Beach 7:43 Yeah, the Zen Cohen. Yeah, show me your original face. Show me who you were before your parents were born. You know, we do live many lives right in one lifetime. And you know, when I think about the average person in the world, I do think of as living from shoulders up, like caught up, in our own thinking, lost in our thought, believing everything, of course, that this room, ruminative mind conjures up for us. And by and large, that was me growing up in this cognitive centric society. So indeed, before I entered into the world of following my heart, I was told that in order to live in this world, you know, by my parents, that you had to have a job, right, and you go to school and you major in that discipline, that's going to give you the job, it's going to give you the paycheck that and then you spend your free time, you know, evenings and weekends doing what you actually enjoy. Right? This is what I was raised in. So I was actually a chemical engineering working for biotech and pharmaceutical companies, before I went on this path, and I was not in touch with my body, I was not in touch with my inner space. And it was literally just a back injury that got me into this practice of yoga. Because I was at a concert with my girlfriend, and she needed to see so I was like, Oh, let me demonstrate how strong I am. And I lifted her up and then suddenly realized I shouldn't have done that and herniated a disc in my lower lumbar. And I remember my physical therapist was like, You know what, you should try yoga. And I was like, yeah, right yoga, I can breathe in a room by myself. Thank you very much. And of course, once I took a few classes, I realized just how much it transformed my life and simply like on a physical level, for example, I learned just how tight my body was. And I had never really like even just realized that I was in a body before that, right my whole education system, you sit in a desk and you suppose to exercise the mind. Never did the body come into it. So when I came into my body, I discovered Of course not how how totally imbalanced. Everything in my body was this was tight. This was weak. This was loose. So the injury was a wake up call. Right. And I think many people experienced this in their lives. They experienced that really challenging, perhaps painful circumstances. that wakes them up, right. And if it didn't happen, then it was going to happen at some point in the future. So as I was balancing my physical body, the muscle groups, the joint structures, of course, that balance began to overflow into all the other areas of my life, I began to get in touch with my emotions, the energy and motion passing through my body, I began to observe the thoughts in my mind discover that the mind as they, as we say, is a great slave but a terrible master. And of course, discover the aspect of our being that goes beyond sensation beyond emotions beyond thought that we might say is our spiritual aspects of ourselves. So I still have that like technical background, I still love the rigor and discipline of intellectual pursuits. So I will always find myself reading, exploring, learning new courses, traveling around the world, studying from whoever and whatever it is, I can, while also recognizing that as Eckhart Tolle, he would say that spirituality is anything that goes beyond the continuous movement of thinking. Our Mark Epstein defines it as spirituality is anything that transcends our personality, right. Or sometimes in my classes, I do this quote by Jose Saramago. And he says, inside all of us is something with no name. And that something is who we are. So it was that process of yoga, the process of turning within that I discovered other dimensions to my being at of course, go beyond anything that was taught in any school or any book. Brandon Handley 11:36 Sure, sure. And I get it right. So I mean, it's great to know because the transformation, you know, who you are today, wasn't always wasn't always me, you know, we all it's, it's funny to say, because it's more of like a sort of, like a rediscovery of who you are, and who you've always been, but like, you know, you kept yourself shielded from it, like, you know, so you were cerebral and you worked on all your, you did your you did what you were told, right, here's the program, follow the program, okay, I follow the program. And then somebody else is like, Hey, here's another door, you might want to go through and check this out, like what is in here? Right, like, what is happening, and then, you know, that just kind of leads and takes on a life of its own. And it sounds kind of like, you know, that's what happened to you, right? happen for you. Right? And he has kind of opening, you know, life opened up for you. And you discovered all this. I one thing that I would love, love for us to cover if you if you if you want. Let's talk a little bit about you know, your heart centered school, right, your heart center program. And I'd love to hear how you work with other men specifically, because I think men probably have have more of a challenge connecting to their heart center than than women. And then, you know, what's that look like for you getting what's, what's something? Is that something that you work on? Zach Beach 13:04 I do love working with men, but it's always hard to begin working with him. Right? Particularly in the yoga world, I'm used to having a vast majority of my classes being female identified, right? I even did a training one time, there's 20 of us in the three week training 19 students was the 21st. So 19 female students, I had one female teacher and I was the only guy. So definitely in the yoga world. It's like 8020, about 80% female identified and then 20% Male identified. And I always do wonder, like, you know, what is it about our upbringing, about our conditioning, about our society that prevents men from feeling comfortable or desiring to go into these spaces. And a lot of it just has to do with kind of the way that yoga manifests physically in our society. Like I always think it's so interesting when you go to the gym to see how gendered the workouts are. Like, in general, men are looking for that triangle shape. They're working their arms, their upper body, women tend to be looking for more of like a hourglass shape, they're working their glutes and other things. So I think a lot of people do think that yoga is just for flexibility just for skin just for toning the muscles and that sort of thing. But I was also this way, right? I was also not in touch with my emotional world, back in the day, so I do love helping people along that that path and helping people get in and helping men get in touch with their emotions with opening up. Now, it's always just like, it's all always generalizations, right? Like there is a stereotype that men are in touch with their emotions, but I have met countless women who have no idea what's going on in their emotional world. And I've met countless men who are deeply sensitive, deeply in touch with their bodies and deeply in touch with their emotions. So what I do sometimes emphasize is like, there are some general differences between the sexes, right? I could say on average men are taller than women, right? That wouldn't be too controversial. But that doesn't mean that within that, within each gender, there's more variance than there is between genders. Right. So there are countless men who also struggle I also, you know, Coach couples, and there are many couples where the man is the person the person more in touch with their emotions, more community communicative, then, of course, the female. And even in like same sex couples, you still have variants in every relationship is going to be somebody who's more this unless this who wants more of this and wants less of this. So the same dynamics happen no matter what kind of relationship that you are in. But working with men is is really beautiful. And it's something that, of course, the world and our society needs so much more of. Like, there's this general idea that like women are more romantic than men. And women are the type of people that love romantic comedies. But what actually happens is that men tend to want relationships more tend to want to commit more tend to want to take things to the next stage more. And a huge reason that is, is because most men don't have other people that they are emotionally close with in their life. And their partner, their wife, their girlfriend is like the only person that can be vulnerable, vulnerable with only people they can confide in emotionally. So then, of course, they want that relationship. Meanwhile, many women, most women have more people that they can share with, they have really close friends that they tend to be more deeply vulnerable with. So what's also nice working with men is once you get men to say open up to other men or other people or other family members or other other friends, it also does take pressure off of their, like primary partner to be their sole, like therapist. Or like so. You know, emotional confidant like in the partnership and to build that community where it's so so needed. Right? We Yeah, Brandon Handley 17:13 let me jump there real quick. Yeah, if you don't mind. It's I mean, yeah, absolutely. Right. And I'm, like, man, gotta do a better job of finding that community. Right, whatever, whatever that looks like. Primarily, though, so what I guess when I say get in touch with their heart, and men, right, not saying that they're not emotional, but how to get them to, I guess, be more heart centric, right? Is that something that you work with? And, and I get, you know, that there are going to be women that are, you know, just as cold and just as analytical and just as cerebral? I think, as men can be. Right. And I think that's a kind of like, a Western civilization bit. Right. But you know, specifically, kind of, I guess the question is, what is it that you do with men to help them to get in touch with their emotions, and feel safe, to express themselves and be vulnerable around other men? Or even within their own relationships? Is that some work that you do? Zach Beach 18:20 Absolutely. And it is really important work. And I'm sure even many listeners to your podcast are doing the same kind of work. And it's always individual in terms of like, where you're going to start with this person, like what is the most effective strategy exercise that's going to help with this person. And it and while it is true that like yet, on average, you know, men are certain men are a certain way and women are a certain way. But what's also been amazing is you probably, you know, know about this, when they talk about the law of attraction are that, like attracts like, is that as I've gotten deeper into this work, I continually meet other amazing men who are also doing amazing work in the world. I recently just had on the podcast got seveal, who has this book called Big Love, so you can check them out. If you're looking for more more guests on this field showed up and he's just like, his whole meshes is living with a wide open heart. Right? And in terms of like, baby steps, how do we get somebody to be more heart centered? We start with a body, right? We start with the simple stuff, we're not gonna be like, Alright, let's go on. Let's be vulnerable right here right now. Right? We have to slowly transition from being in our heads thinking everything that we think caught up in the rational mind believing that the mind is the only way to kind of live in being in this world. And being in our bodies, right, slow down, feel the breath feel the earth beneath you. Because on the way there of course into the body, we will eventually get to the heart and in fact, the spiritual journey sometimes described as a journey of 18 inches from the head to the heart. So I do think the first step for to become more heart centered in one's life is not focus on the heart, immediately focus on the body, focus on cultivating this connection between with your own temple right for this source your own temple for the divinity that you are, which requires a slowing, which requires a stillness of the mind. And embodied movement practices can be really helpful in this regard like Qigong, Tai Chi, Yoga, simple breathing exercises, more and more people are getting into breath work and Wim Hof, or anything like that. Anything that gets you into this breathing, vibrating experience, will also tap you into a natural, a natural aliveness that happens, the more we are in our body. And then son suddenly, once you plant that little seed, and once that seed starts to grow, then you do get in touch more with of course, your emotions, right? We call them feelings because we feel them. Right. So one of the best ways to really get in touch with your feelings is to tap into the sensations that you associate with him. Right? So you're feeling angry? Where does anger manifest in your body? Right? So as you're sitting in meditation, it's wonderful to start with a simple sensation, focused meditation practice, just your breath, maybe do some body scans. And that's what we call the first foundation of mindfulness, right mindfulness of the body, right? And then we can do do mindfulness of our emotions, right? That's like the next step, or like layering. So then you're like, oh, wow, like, you know, how does this feel in my body? Where does grief? Where does sadness, what is anger? What is happiness, we're just joy, where do these things manifest in our body, and I'm really sensational level, right? So mindfulness of the body, mindfulness of emotions. And then once the mind is calm, once the body is settled, then you can think about opening the heart. So those are the three steps, calm the mind, tame the body, open the heart. And that's where the real magic happens. But it takes a while to get there. Brandon Handley 22:20 So it's just not something we can do in 21 days. You can do T's and C's and right because there's always like, there's always like, you know, Do this, do this program in 21 days, and this will happen type of thing. And I'm certain that there's no, you know, we talk about being general and life's different for everybody. It's possible. I'm certain as some of you could have this happen in 21 days, but it's something that you need to put some time into. And maybe a big fan of the Buddha quote, or we talks about, you don't squeeze the rose the rosebud, right to get it to flower, right. So you have to kind of give it that same you have to give that patience and nurturing and allow for that space, while still wanting it to happen without putting pressure on it to happen. Zach Beach 23:09 Yeah. But the lovely paradox of it all, like when you finally let go of the thing having to happen, that naturally happens on its own. I have seen extraordinary transformation happen in 21 days. But it's highly dependent on the person, like how long have you been on this path? How open are you to the path, right? It's like Jon Kabat Zinn has this thing. And he's like, why do we need to practice mindfulness for an hour a day? Because the other 23 hours of the day are unintentionally practicing mindlessness. For sure, a lot of sure. Anyway, it's like How deep are you going? How involved are you? How much work are you putting into it? Brandon Handley 23:53 But right now I get it. I get it. So you found your space, you found your place? I think a question that we would all ask, are you making a living by being loving? Right now? Would you say you know what I mean? So I mean, because that's, I think one of the one of the big pieces of this podcast is to say, Hey, listen, I can find myself I can find my spiritual space. And I can weave the truth of who I am into everything that I do and still have success. Mm hmm. Zach Beach 24:27 No, it's absolutely true. I mean, for me, my work and my life are so intertwined. I don't even know when one stops and the other one begins. Many people have their 40 hour work week. Once you leave work, you're done. But for me, it's all wrapped up into itself. And, you know, there's nothing as nothing is as fulfilling as following your heart. Right? I think the two most important times in a person's life are the day we are born and the day that we discover why. And one of the best ways to love yourself is to be true to yourself. figure out why you are here on this planet while you incarnated into this physical form at this point in time, and to discover your unique purpose in life. And earlier, when you were talking about the working on a car, are you talking about like doing car work? As thinking about this common story, we often talk about what happens or what transformation happens when you truly know your purpose. And I'll give you the truncated version. But when a person walks into a town square, he comes upon one person and asked them, What are you doing? And with a grumpy look on their face, they say, I'm squaring the stone, leave me alone. Okay, go to the next person, what are you doing, and they appear to be doing the same thing, but they say I'm making money for my family in my house, leave me alone. And then you go to the third person, and the third person says, with a twinkle in their eye and a smile on their face, I am building a cathedral. And we always have want to keep that higher vision that we have for the world and the work that we do in the world. So yes, I'm making a living. I'm loving it. I just came back from a 21 day training in Peru. Brandon Handley 26:15 Has it worked? I've actually Zach Beach 26:16 leaving a wonderful group. Nice. But it's because it comes, you know, it's coming from the center, it's coming from the heart. Brandon Handley 26:25 Right. And that's one of ways it is truly like, one of my favorite stories, right? And I think one of the challenges for me, and I'm sure for plenty of others is shifting that mindset, right how to shift your mindset from, you know, I'm squaring a stone, right? Leave me alone, to building a marvelous cathedral for all the world to see. So I think that that's certainly a challenge. Because a lot of us again, we get the, you know, go to school, go to work, do your job, you know, pay the bills, and you know, keep your head low type of thing. Right? What I'd love to hear from you is a, and just in context of this conversation, is there an exercise or a way that you share with some of your clients that help them to see the larger picture of themselves in a larger picture and what they're doing? And then be? This would be the next part is how do you you know, when you told your parents, hey, I'm done with the chemistry. I'm gonna go do love. You know, let's talk a little bit about what that was like, and kind of overcoming the fear to step into and follow your bliss, follow your heart and what that path look like, Huh? Zach Beach 27:47 Yeah, you might have heard that phrase that, like we spend so much of our lives climbing up a wall only to get to the top and discover that it's the wrong wall. And, you know, I do feel very fortunate that I kind of discovered that, like, the life that I was leading wasn't the one I was supposed to be at a relatively early age, you know, in my early 20s, to discover that like, actually, you know, I'm not really happy here, this isn't service serving my highest good. This isn't the reason I was put here on this earth. So let me try something else. As you mentioned, a lot of it does involve a kind of deconditioning. Right? We're put on all sorts of expectations, understandings, and it does come from our society, it does come from our culture, but it possibly it was comes from our parents, right. And even the most well intentioned parents, they gave me the best advice because it applied to them when they are growing up. But the same advice won't necessarily might apply to you. And I do often think that like activity, like the, you know, the general work that we do without purpose is just a drain like, we don't have that higher cathedral purpose than the day to day drudgery. The day to day work just becomes a drain on our energy. And you asked, is there an exercise that I do to help people gonna get in touch with their purpose? Absolutely. Like, do you want to do it right now? Brandon Handley 29:14 Do it really as long as as long as it doesn't take 21 days, Zach, I'll, Zach Beach 29:19 I'll do a really quick, truncated version of an exercise that I that I love to do. And, you know, if the listeners are, if you're driving right now, you don't need to close your eyes, but it just goes like this. And this is the quick version. So you close your eyes, and you picture yourself in front of a vast expanse. Perhaps you are on a cliff overlooking the ocean, perhaps a mountain overlooking the land, perhaps a prairie overlooking a vast field. And it's a beautiful day you feel the sun on your face, the sky is clear. There's a cool breeze passing by, and you feel at peace in this place. And from this place of peace and calm, you can ask yourself, in my heart of hearts, what am I really looking for in my life? In my heart of hearts, what am I looking for in my life? And then sometimes I go deeper and I add in my heart of hearts, what am I really looking for? In my life? Brandon Handley 30:49 And so if I come out of this, are we still going we're still in Zach Beach 30:54 exercise. Now. That's the basic exercise right? So involves a few things. One, first, we clear the mind. That's what the visualization is meant to do. It's meant to calm still the mind. And then you get in touch with the body. You're like, how does you know you feel the sun, you feel the breeze, you feel a sense experience of being in your body. And then you tap into the heart space? And then you ask yourself and allow, right I'm not writing it down that you ask yourself and allow that the answer to naturally arise. And I love doing this exercise because no one says, in my heart of hearts, I want the Ferrari, I want the mansion. I want the MIT this many commas in my bank account. And I go around and share with people after this simple exercise. They say I want peace. I want love. I want security. I want to love myself. Right? So this is the beginning thinking about like, what really matters most in our lives, like, what am I really seeking? What am I really looking for? And then we figure out what we truly care about the most and then we try our best to live in line with those values. Brandon Handley 32:05 Yeah, so it's not Excel spreadsheets. You know, you know, it's it's love, it's peace. It's acceptance. It's family. It's, you know, Zach Beach 32:17 a long lining. Brandon Handley 32:18 Right? Yeah. And so, yeah, I guess getting somebody into connection with that. And is that kind of like where you plug in? Okay, now, how is what you're currently done? This is how I would do it. I mean, Zach, just out of curiosity, right? Kind of house. How's what you're doing right now already aligned to that? Can you make that alignment? Right? I mean, can you see that kind of key make that connection? Right? Because you got you got everybody's hobbling around the same rock. And everybody's doing something a little bit different, right? And it's almost like if you tell yourself, I mean, shit, that's all we're doing. Anyways, we're telling ourselves what we're doing anyways, look, I'm looking down here, I'm pounding on a rock. I'm looking down here, you know, feeding my family. I'm looking down here, and I'm building a cathedral, right? So anyways, no matter what, we're already telling ourselves a story. We're telling everybody else the same story that we're telling ourselves. So if we can change the story, and attach a little bit of our own purpose, well, what I'm doing today with this rock is I'm I'm helping to bring love into the world. With this rock today, I'm helping to bring you know, peace in the world, right? With his Excel spreadsheet, you know, I'm saving lives somehow. Right? So is that one thing that you do? Or would do you do something else? Because I mean, it's great to feel this. But when I leave your, you know, your presence today, and I'm outside the yoga shop, how can I apply this outside of that? Zach Beach 33:42 Action? Is what you're talking about? Yeah, doing things. Yeah. So So, so far, basically describe a four step process. And you see this across many circles and in very similar ideas is you tame the mind, discipline the body, open the heart, clarify intent. Right. Now, tip number four is the setting of your intention. And this is why intentions are so powerful is because they're so open ended. Right? My intention is to love more. My intention is to help others rather than like, my intention is to make $1,000,000.10 years from now like a direction like a goal, a goal that's future directed and intention is something can bring into this moment, right now. And then explore it in a myriad of ways. Because once you do, you'll discover places, things, experiences you never even would have dreamed of. Right? Your mind just expands as you continue to follow your intention in a million different ways. Now, after you set your intention, then you go into another little feedback loop. So after you set your intention, then you do what we call a ticket step. Right? You do what we call some sort of action and you're out could have some 510 15 year plan in mind, right? But it's how can I live fully in line with what matters falling in line with my intention with this action. After that action, you accept what is. And you see clearly. So you're like, I'm gonna love myself today you're in bed, right? Then you go to the mirror and you see is it and you're like you ugly son of a, suddenly, you haven't lived fully in line with your intention, right? I'm gonna be at peace today. And then your boss walks in and they drop something off at your desk and you think ah, you get angry, right? So this is where the iterative process of our awakening happens, we set our intention, take a step, see clearly accept what is and then we go back. Right so tick, not Han says the most important thing is to remember the most important thing. And I sometimes think of mindfulness as re mindfulness, always reminding ourselves of where we want to come from how we want to respond to the situations in our life, and what really, truly, truly matters. And I will also say that we are told things like follow your bliss, which I don't usually say that the word specifically but for now we can keep it or follow your purpose, listen to your heart, etc. And what few people tell you is that following your heart can sometimes be extraordinarily in convenient. You might listen to your heart, and it might tell you to quit your job might tell you to get a divorce, I might tell you to sell the business, sell the house move to a new city, like you might need to make radical changes. I was in a training one time and I was talking to a student and she's like, You know what, Zack, I need to leave my partner. And she had come to this realization that, you know, he wasn't living in line with her heart and with what matters. And that sometimes doesn't involve huge, drastic life changes, quitting the job quitting the partner, that sort of thing. So earlier, we talked about self love. And an important part about self love is boundaries. So sometimes you set up healthy boundaries, and then we realize certain people in our lives are constantly violating our boundaries. So we have to remove them. Brandon Handley 37:20 Now for sure, I'd love to get back even to the the idea of right of making these kinds of radical shifts in our lives. Again, yeah, I mean, you went from, you know, being a chemical engineer to the love guy. What was that? Again, let's talk to share how, you know, when you share this with your family, when you share with your friends with, you know, what did that transition look like? Because that's another piece that a lot of I think people may struggle with, you know, was there a fear that you had to overcome to share and to take a step into that space? share that journey? Zach Beach 38:02 Um, yeah, it's a wonderful question. I mean, you bought it my parents, and, you know, part of the reason I'm I love guy is, I'm so lucky to have had the love that my parents offered. And I do think much of my work is just my way of balancing the love that I received from my own mother. And even like, my book on Love was like, dedicated to her. So I do remember, different times in my life, I've created different paradigm shifts, and I've told my parents that and their most common response is, whatever makes you happy. And the profundity of this response not lost on me, particularly because when we talk about, it's easy to get pie in the sky, like, you know, even listeners might be like, Who is this, you know, hippie, whoo, guy telling me to love everyone. And for me, love is a very grounded reality and perspective that we can bring. And for me, love is a desire for somebody to be happy, right and desire for somebody to accept themselves as they are for their dreams to come true for them to find joy in this life. And we can extend that to everyone, right, so. And so this is, you know, what my parents would say, they would be like, whatever makes you happy, like, we just want you to be happy. And that, to me is what love is all about is wanting someone to be happy. So with your partner, for example, you want them to be happy. So you might do things that will make them happy and bring joy in a smile to their face. Now, by and large, you will find that if you do, most people are comfortable with constancy. Most people are afraid of change. Right? So I remember I was even working in the corporate world and I had a co worker and he had been in the same cubicle in the same office down the street from his house for 30 years. And that was him. That was his life he had is in anytime anything ever was ever going to possibly change even in the slightest hint, you could just see the anxiety and the fear, right? So there is a certain level of comfort in the known. And we all have this. So yes, if you and it'll be foolhardy. Like even if you are in debt, no money in the bank, like don't quit your day job just yet. But by and large, we do have a fear of the unknown, and other people will tell you not to do the thing that you're doing. Like I've traveled all over the world, and people tell me all the time not to go to places, you know, don't go there, it's dangerous, don't go there, you're gonna get sick, don't go there. You know, there's violence. And most of the time, they've never been to this country, they've only read a few things on the news, and they have totally incorrect appraisal. And here's the thing, I believe humanity is good. I believe people are fundamentally good on the inside, I believe that our nature is love. And my travels around the world have done nothing but confirm that reality, I have seen nothing but the good in people no matter where I have gone in the world. So there is a matter of shedding certain conditioning, there is also a matter of just recognizing that even if someone tells you not to do something, it comes from their own background and their own beliefs. Like there's always different stories around what it really means to kind of let go of certain societal conditioning that keeps us in place. Now, you might have heard the experiment. I don't know if this was a true experiment. But you might have heard experiment about monkeys in the electrified banana. There's like five monkeys in a cage. There's been no bananas at the top. They're electrified. So anytime they touch it, they get electrocuted, right. It's time to switch out a new monkey. And of course, the old monkeys teach them don't touch the bananas, right? They'll they're, they're gonna electrify you. Eventually, they replace all the old ones with new ones, and they turn off electricity. So now none of the new monkeys, no. Other monkeys were there at the beginning. But they're all afraid. Right? They're all afraid of those bananas, because they've been taught that by the their predecessors before. So again, many, you know, elders, they lived in a different world than we lived in, and maybe what their advice is, and what they're telling you was true. When they were going up, but for us, not so much. We can discard it, we can let it go. Brandon Handley 42:33 Not right, for sure. For sure. Right. You know, there's, there's, I've got two kids right now. And sometimes I'm like, you know, I'll just shut up, right? Wait, what, what, what applied to what apply to me at their age, so it doesn't apply to them? Right? It's like, it doesn't even make sense to kind of, you know, kind of walk them through some of these things. I love the fact that you know, you've been all over the world and everybody's like, Hey, don't go there, you're gonna, this isn't gonna turn out, blah, blah, blah. But here you are. So um, you know, you made it through. So, you know, there was no fear then, into stepping out, Zach Beach 43:11 there's always fear yourself. I don't want to say that I have no fear. But there is this acknowledging, acknowledging it and moving beyond that. Brandon Handley 43:20 And your close friends and other relatives outside your family, your parents who wanted you to be happy. Everybody was like, Yeah, rolls it. Zach Beach 43:30 No, absolutely not. But that's the thing. You kind of get new friends after a while. As your circles change as your priorities change as your life changes, as like attracts, like, as you seek out people that you know, that you can be of service to that they can be of service to you, as you walk on this path of awakening. This is where the idea of the Sangha, like your like minded spiritual practitioners, your community comes in. And although the spiritual path is deeply personal, it doesn't happen alone. So having one Sangha, having one's community is so important on the path. And indeed, you know, once you shift from thinking that you know enough booze and drugs and partying is going to provide you lasting happiness, to realizing that sitting still and noticing your breath for 20 minutes is one of the most fascinating and enlightening and joyful experiences in being human, then your priorities shift, right and your friends shift. Now some of them come with, but we're on our own path, right? All over Sure. Our own path is unfolding according to our own unique karma. And I all often warn everyone of this spiritual ego, right? There's a huge tendency to think that because you're on your path of deepening your love or quieting the mind that you are now better than other people not on the path you are somehow more evolved more conscious. And this is, you know, there's so much spiritual ego we see nowadays on social media on The superstars, you know, in the world, that it's always important to be mindful that you're still not better all because you meditate or do yoga or drink green juice, you are no better than anyone else on the planet. Your Your path is just unfolding uniquely, according to your karma. And just as their path is unfolding, according to their karma. Brandon Handley 45:23 Yeah, absolutely. Right. Well, whatever my path is, it's certainly it's mine, right? Whatever yours is, is yours. And, you know, it's like, we're on the way to see the Wizard. You know, we all just, we all just kind of connect on the Bridge Road, and we all have our certain things that we're working on. So I appreciate it. And you know, look, guys, anybody's tuning in and listening right now, Zack does a lot more than you know, coming in some of the stuff that we've talked about, up to now. You know, you've got the retreats, you've got the you know, Thai, massage, bodywork, or sex educator, prison, yoga facilitator, these are all things we didn't really touch on, I wanted to touch on some things that I thought, don't get as much attention in the spiritual space, spirituality space yoga space is and a lot of that is, you know, you put a finger on it, right? We talked about it, you know, one out of 21 people who are seeking, you know, connection to their body, soul and whatnot. And that's one male, that's you out of 21 people, you know, going for your instruction. So what is it that's keeping men out? And what are some things that men can do, specifically, and listen, this isn't tuned out to women, but like, I mean, again, if you pull up spiritual podcasts, my guess is that you're going to see the same ratio. Ones, that one to 20 is the one one being the male, to 20 Female perspectives. And so I think it's really important to get the male perspective out there in the spirituality space, to share that it's, it's okay, to get in touch with who you are, it's okay to feel vulnerable, and being a vulnerable space and, and connect without losing your man card. So, you know, that's the some of the stuff that I you know, so thank you, Zack, for sharing what you shared today. But also one of the listener know that you do so much more than that outside of that. So if you don't mind if, if you're good with it right now, I love to ask you a couple different questions. As I told you, before we started the podcast I think of this a little bit like spiritual speed dating. Right? You know, there's going to be a listener out there who's been like Zach has hit every chord in like my being, I've got to reach out to him. Only if he answers these next couple questions correctly. So correctly. Spirit spirit, spiritual bachelor number one. Um, you know, since you come from like this chemistry background, I'd love to hear your answer on this. What is the relationship between science and religion? Hmm. Zach Beach 48:00 So this is speed dating, I'll say got 30 seconds to answer it. So I'm gonna say there's a totally unnecessary bifurcation between science and religion that happened about 500 years ago. Before then these things were one and the same. Around the time of the Enlightenment, they split. And right now we are on a mission to bring it all back together is that they are not two separate entities, they work together so well. And to me much religion is not rooted in ritual or memorizing texts or doing what the authority figure at the front of the room does. Religion to me is rooted in positive emotion and social connection. So science two is in its infancy when it comes to positive psychology. So if you're looking for joy, or wonder grads who love forgiveness, you're gonna find a much better Wisdom Teachings in religion than you will science and by joining these together, we'll be on the right path for humanity as the future goes on. Brandon Handley 49:11 We'll have to see what your crew thinks about that. So spiritual, Bachelor Number one, thank you for that answer. I think it's great, right? positive emotion, talking about the sciences even as they are right now. I always, you know, even psychology, right? Like how young are some of these sciences that we're trying to pry apart the mind with that have really existed for like, years and years and years before like, we decided to put like pen to paper and you know, so it's interesting. Um, Zach Beach 49:40 there is psychological text routing into the nature of the mind written 2000 years ago in yoga and romantic philosophy. Brandon Handley 49:49 Right, we're just we're playing catch up. Yep. What is our greatest distraction? Zach Beach 50:00 humanity's greatest distraction. The greatest extreme distraction in general, I'll just say in general is the external world. By and large, the spiritual path is one of discovering their inner space is just as vast as our otter space. And some people can go their whole life with ever once closing their eyes, pausing the breath and looking within. So this external world will distract you with all of its pleasures and all of its social media and technology and entertainment. But the true path is an inward journey. Brandon Handley 50:38 I heard you mentioned a little bit of law of attraction earlier, we I think you touched on it, right? So when we do this enter journey, and what's inside is reflected on the outside. What? How does that work for you? Zach Beach 50:49 It shifts our entire awareness. One of my favorite phrases is when a pickpocket sees a saint, he only sees the saints pockets. So what we see in the world is absolutely every reflection of ourselves. Earlier, we talked about our stories, and how shifting our stories shifts our entire experience. So too, we all have our perspective. We all have a worldview. And by shifting our internal perspective, the entire world changes. I know many well intentioned activist who wish to change the world. And I tell you, if you want to change the world, change your own perception of it. Yeah, Brandon Handley 51:26 it's um, it's pretty crazy how it works. You know, it's absurd to start Wayne Dyer but he talks about what you know, change what you see change what you see, whatever, you know, just like you're saying. It's an amazing shift. And it can bring you I guess, whatever it is, you're looking for, right? And this context, you You and I were talking law, we're talking peace, we're talking balance. And if you can find that within yourself, then you can find it outside. Right. Zach Beach 51:57 Absolutely. You'll find it everywhere. Ideally, right see in the world, I mean, is an absolutely reflection of who you are. Brandon Handley 52:03 I mean, I think you see whatever it is you're looking for. Right? Right. So that Zach, it's been a pleasure having you on here today where can you know where can I send people find more about you? Zach Beach 52:16 So I'm really easily found on the internet. You can just go to Sac beach calm so that's the AC HP AC H Beach, just like walking on a beach. Like beach calm is my main hub, but you can also find me on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Brandon Handley 52:31 Zack Yep, thanks again. Thanks for being here to Zach Beach 52:33 thank you, Brandon. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

A response to seeing the word trauma everywhere... TL:DR - You don't heal your trauma by focusing on your trauma. I am certainly sensitive to your trauma and believe that you have all had some shitty experiences... some severe... but how do you move forward? Brandon Handley 0:00 is going on. It started this off is like fuck your drama. So with even more emphasis that was a conversation that I had with Meg this morning. For some reasons here, it's my birthday. So happy birthday to me traumas on the mind. And Tom was really only on the mind because I am seeing it everywhere everybody's got some fucking trauma. I keep seeing into me it's like traumas like the new vulnerability of you if you've been in social media the past couple of years is vulnerability was huge. When Brene Brown came out with that nobody was trying to be more vulnerable expose themselves. And now it's this this trauma. And everybody seems to be identifying with their trauma, identifying with the hurt identifying with what needs to be healed, or wants to be healed. Because that's, I mean, how do we how do we heal our trauma, right? Let's heal that trauma. And I get it, right, you've got a story. You've had an experience, something has happened to you and your life has been less than ideal. And it's become a part of your identity. This is why I am how I am. This is how I got here. I'll tell you. Years ago, I had a coach, and he asked me what it was about me that made me different, why should people pay attention to what it is that I'm doing? I was like, well, because my story is like, that's great. Everybody's got a story and as a cold, cold fucking piece. But sometimes you need to hear that sometimes you need to hear that your story is just that, that is your story. And I'm not going to say that these experiences were awesome. I'm not going to say that you should have trauma in your life. But I will say that, to me, again, it's one person's perspective. We also take a look at psychology and psycho analysts and all that others all that shit is still pretty much emerging like less than 200 years a little bit like a practice. So take all the even that with a grain of salt as it continues to develop. And as we continue to learn more and more about really who we are, how we function the way we happen, and all that other jazz, but trauma is self defined. Now I'll give you a kind of an example of a traumatic event has happened last night at our house. Liam wasn't able to find a rock dude, you know, he's like nine years old wasn't able to find a rock. I was like alright, well you can't find the rock go look in your room go look for it. Because I'm not insensitive but at the same time I don't know where the kids put all their shit and at some point they need to figure out where it is that's what was going through my head so you know go find your shit happy to help when you need some actual help. And again, I'm sure I'm causing you know some type of shit and that but you know turned out he couldn't find it right a little bit later hurt on crying with like Meg and then and then there's like this thing that's kind of kind of grew larger and larger and larger. And finally I was like fuck it let's go help find this fucking rock. right let me look just being just being honest with you here. So you know I go up the steps I'm like, let's go find the rock and at some point, I was like it's just a rock man. You know? I get it sucks to lose something but it's look quite literally just a rock. And I realized in that moment that it was insensitive. I'm not trying to be a dick. So hold off there like rooting through all this she's like I think it's in a drawer so I'm like no pile on through his drawers and trying to find it can't find it. He's still crying. And it's an it's a big mess. And and we kind of we get to the point where what happened who couldn't find it and I was like look but he's a you know, as a first of all, I was like, what what is the what's the significance of this rock to you? Like, why is this you know, rock significant? And I think he'd said something along the lines of of that you know, I got this rock with you, right found this rock with you and and, you know, just he just loved the rock and how and trying to add some levity to the situation. and trying to break through the trauma, as it were of the moment. I was like, Well, that makes sense. You found the rock with me, and I get it now. And, you know, took a moment for me to get there, and help to understand the significance of that moment for him and continue throughout the evening, you continue to cry, continue to be upset, there was other things. You know, I gotta imagine there's other things that happen. And you eventually, Meg did find the rock and save the evening. And I spent some time with Liam just holding on to the rock and laying around and watching the show and letting them cry through it right, and not chastising them for, you know, crying because I felt like he needed to let a lot of things go. And I share the story. Because do years from now, and I don't know that's going to be a moment in his life traumatic is traumatic. Your trauma may be you didn't win an auction and get the Gucci bag. Right. Your trauma could be you got let go of from a job. Your trauma could be you lost your mother. And the thing is, is, you know, again, it's kind of self defined. And right now, it seems like everybody's just allowed, or even being encouraged to go seek trauma to go find your trauma, go find your trauma, heal your trauma. And I would encourage you to absolutely seek healing. There is a book that I was, and I still am a huge fan of it. It's called The Science of Getting Rich. And in that book he talks about because you don't solve poverty by focusing on poverty. Right? It's like you don't solve the problem by focusing on the problem, you find you've solved the problem by focusing on the solution, what's on the opposite side of that problem? Right? What does it kind of look like when that is no longer a problem? And LP does this very well. And in limiting beliefs, right? Your trauma. Like it or not, maybe one of your and I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but it may be one of your limiting beliefs. What happens maybe if you translate that word trauma to experience, you had a less than ideal experience you hadn't? You know, you had this experience? How are you going to use that? What is what happens inside of that experience that maybe could propel you and your future? Maybe you could encourage people to hate trying to think of a good one here. But how can you encourage people through what you've learned through your trauma? Where How could you let somebody know that hey, these actions that you do, while they may seem like I don't know, small, may have this enormous impact. And the thing here is also not to be it's to be sensitive, but not overly sensitive, wherever everything turns into trauma, right. And I want to kind of highlight this with a with a small story. The story of two brothers, one brother, who goes throughout life gives back to the community is heralded he's super successful in all that he does. And the other brother, he's an alcoholic, he drinks he does drugs, he's always getting support from the outside and never seems to be able to pull this shit together. Alright, and when people talk to them, due to the brothers, the one brother, the very successful one, when people were like, well, you know, how did you how did you get like this? And he goes, Well, you know, my dad was an alcoholic. So I, you know, I didn't want to turn out like that I use, like, how I grew up to seek the opposite of that to turn into the truth of who I am right to be who I want to be. And same thing for the other brother. He goes, Well, gee, you know, how, how can we help? Like, how did you end up like this? How did you get here? Because, you know, my dad was an alcoholic. So you know, that's how I was raised. That's just all I know. And that's, that's what I became. So you can see right there. Do you know these two people have the same experience. And they leverage it in different ways. You know, I, again, was just thinking about this this morning. And you know what happens if you had to get on a small flight, we're just watching or just watching the show Yellow Jacket, yellow jackets on Showtime, pretty, pretty traumatic. There, right? Experience. But what happens if you hop onto a flight and all your thoughts, all your traumas, everything, all your experiences, you need to just call them baggage, right? Because that's what we used to call, call this stuff and be like, Oh, that person's got a lot of baggage is called baggage. But what happens if you, you label all your experiences baggage? And then you say, alright, well, you can only take so many of these things with you on this flight. So that you can live your best life? Are you going to bring your trauma? Are you going to bring the story of how you could be this but you can't because of this trauma? And I just you know, again, look, there are some things out there and there's some things bigger than then that definitely need healing. I'm not saying that that's not true. But how can you make use of your trauma? How can you use it for your benefit? I had a course that I took this earlier this year Sreekumar Rao's creative and personal mastery. And in one of those scenarios is like how it was how to become bigger than the problem. And I guarantee you, I promise you that you are bigger than your trauma, you are greater than your trauma. I think the other person that we think about too is like, what about Abe Lincoln? Right? What about Abe Lincoln if we take a look at of all the setbacks, everything that ever happened to him, right in 1832 He lost his job and he was defeated for state legislator 1833 He was failed in business appointed postmaster of New Salem, Illinois, and it didn't make it 1835 Sweetheart died at 36 He had a nervous breakdown 1838 He was nominated for you know, House Speaker and he was defeated for speaker in 1843. Defeated for nomination for Congress 1848 Last renomination 1849 rejected for land officer 1854 defeated for US Senate 1856 defeated for nomination for vice president two years later, he's again defeated for US Senate. And then in 1860, he was elected president. Like holy shit, like what if at any one moment, it was so easy to just attach who you are and your capabilities to any one of those scenarios and just fucking stop? Right? Just let let it go. Like what would have happened if he let his trauma be his identity? I know a lot. Even me I'm like, Well, if he still be alive, like, you know, he would have lived longer. True. Even in that sense, right? You know, that kind of takes the opposite approach of you know, just because these good things happen. Are they actually good things anyways? You know, that's just kind of my thought this morning. I'm little I'm not I am I'm tired of seeing trauma. Everything seems like a trauma right now. It seems like the popular things, all the cool kids have trauma. Right now, I'd encourage you to take a look at what you're identifying as trauma. And if you need help, absolutely get it like I mean, if it's something that is not working out well for you. There's all kinds of modalities. If one is not working out for you, please go seek out another because there is more than one road to travel for healing. Give that example as at our house. We're excuse me, experiencing healing through tuning forks and acupuncture. Other people may be experiencing it through talk therapy through psychologists through psychoanalyst. Other people may be experiencing it through drum circles through community through giving back whatever it is that you've experienced this traumatic and you need healing. Please absolutely go get it. My only cry out to you is to he'll write focus on your healing focus on either leveraging your trauma as something that you could do good with or, you know, help catapult you forward in life and not let it be something that weighs you down and sucks the fucking life out of you. Right? That's not what spiritual dope is about for sure. Spiritual dope is about connecting with your inner greatness, identifying your greatness, being cool with that and growing that so that you know you can become connected and become a fully self actualized person. And that's, you know, that's for another day, but that's what that's what we're here for. Hopefully this has been helpful for you. I'll talk to you later. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00 What's up spiritual dope, we are on the way home from a little bit of a BJJ. And we are just, I say we, I'm just trying to come in here and I know that so many times that I'll go over, I'll start off my podcast with a guest. And I'll share something along the lines of, or one of the first questions asked courses, hey, we, you myself, are conduits for universal energy, meaning, life energy prana the things that move us electricity we are, that's what we're filled with. And we're literally just conduits for creative force. And our expression is, that is that universal force is our spirit is whatever is within us that which is actually you know, expands much, much further beyond us, then we can see the, how we express that oftentimes is through our boys are, no matter what we think of ourselves, no matter what you think of yourself as a creator or not, you absolutely are. There's no two ways about it. The things that happen, though, what you create 90% of what you create is internal. I'm just throwing numbers out there. 10% is what the world sees. So when you think of being a creative type, you probably think of somebody who is a famous guitar player, Jimi Hendrix comes to my mind or clap in my mind. You think of somebody who's incredibly gifted as a singer, Florence, the machine, come to my mind, Adele comes my mind with certain hate the blonde lizard at the street here, up by reading, everybody loves her, of course, I can't think of her name right now. That expression is what's inside of them. And that expression of their gift of their creative gift gets a lot of recognition. And I think that's okay. But that's really, to me, just the the Spear of, of what creativity is just the Spear of what creation is. And to me, we all have, we all have this gift, to create something memorable, to contribute to make an impact. And oftentimes, what scares you the most is the creation that nobody sees the creation inside of you. The creation of the scene where somebody tells you, that's a shitty idea. The scene where it doesn't work out exactly as you intended. You don't think that it ever occurred. So you never take that first step even though in your mind, it could have the greatest impact on the world. Could you imagine? You know, where would we be without? Lawrence light yoke? Could you imagine where we would be? Without? Maybe Nietzsche without Carl Jung, could you imagine where we would be without the Beatles without to Live Crew on my way back to early hip hop. Could you imagine where we'd be without? Ice Cube and those guys Yeah, there's certain there's bound to be hundreds of people, maybe 1000s of people that told those guys, no. Could you imagine where we might be without Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Johansen with Chicken Soup for the Soul without these guys that they tried to get their book published and they were rejected by 144 different publishers. What if they stopped? You know, what if they stopped at 143? What did they said enough is enough? I can't say what they said, that's enough. And they didn't persist? What if they, you know, what if they believe you know what, maybe this won't change as many lives as we think it's going to? Because I'll tell you what, right now. For the 144, people who rejected that, publishers, publishing houses, rejected their book changed their lives dramatically. It was like, wow, we should have we should have published that. Could you imagine where we'd be without? Joseph Campbell? You know, famous for his studies of mythology, like, who chooses that as a field? And who has the impact that he has by teaching mythology? You know, without him, we don't have Star Wars? Where would we be with? I know, I know, there's a lot of people that are ultra Star Wars fans, but you you cannot take away the impact the Star Wars has had on the world. So when you are inspired, to do something, and you feel it in your heart, and you feel motivated, at least for yourself. The smallest action you could take to create that into this world and to the universe to bring it into you is writing it down on paper right now pen and paper, pencil and paper, write it down somewhere, you never have to look at it again. Because at least then you recognize the creative force that is flowing through you. And you give it an expression of some sort. And the more often that you allow yourself to capture creative force coming through you more often that you realize that you are active participant in making it exist in the world. more creative, you'll find yourself maybe your creation is writing maybe your creation is storytelling, maybe your creation is is verbalizing, support for another recognizing another's efforts and letting them know that you see that effort. And that's I think, on the flip side of it, simply. I think in my mind, that's a creator, recognizing another creator. In my mind, you're recognizing it's not so much the efforts for them to it is the effort for them to express kind of the truth of who they are. Because you know, that they've had to go through some of the same battles a zoo to express anything at all, they had to get through 99 trenches, they had to climb over 99 fences, they have to eradicate walls, in order within in order to make even the smallest expression and when you see that And when you see that they're trying to trying out, you see that they're contributing to the greater whole love now that you see that, let them know that they are right. That's what you recognize them for. You recognize them for the creator that they are the same way that somebody says not mistake, you recognize the divinity within. So I wholeheartedly hope that whatever is flowing through the you're able to manifest and by manifesting adult means by simply closing your eyes and willing in that regard can be like closing your eyes saying yes, I will take that next step and willing it being putting your hand into motion. Putting, putting the idea into motion, writing it down, there's gonna be a tangible sense that you feel there's going to be an emotion that floods your body, there's gonna be a sense of accomplishment that you do when when that you feel when you do this. This is you taking control of your destiny, you taking control of your mind, your thoughts. You recognizing yourself as a creator, taking that step is going to I like to say send a signal to the universe. Right that you're willing to accept a greater creative charge, right? You start small. It's like that damn. It's like those old cartoons, a little spring leaks through it, you plug your finger in it. And whammo and after that, like, it's, it's, it's busting through at the seams. So, you know, try that out. See what your thoughts are, you are a creator, as is everybody else around you. And when you recognize that somebody has to climb that mountain, to even to contribute anything at all, it's, it's kind of you to recognize it. And that will that in itself will fan your own plans like No, what I'm also encouraged by my own encouragement of others. That a and I see the impact, that it's having a See how it's making others feel and see how it's adding an intervention to your whole. Today, I feel like today, I feel like doing that. And again, you can do that simply by overcoming any doubt that stands in your way by writing it down. By feeling that sense of accomplishment. You don't have to share it with anybody. You don't have to share with me. The only person that needs to witnesses and feel it is you Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Troy is a transformational coach who works with the tools and techniques of mindfulness to support others in achieving optimal growth. He works with The Asian Leadership Institute as a corporate coach and also operates his private practice, Wisdom Warrior Coaching. Connect with Troy here: www.wisdomwarriorcoaching.com and asianleadership.com Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you, this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode Brandon Handley 0:40 one, hey, there's spiritual dope. I am on here today with Troy McFadden. Troy is a transformational coach who works with the tools and techniques of mindfulness to support others and achieving optimal growth. He works with the Asian Leadership Institute as a corporate coach, and also operates his private practice wisdom, where coaching Troy and I are on take to and and a little bit earlier, you know, we he and I met up I love these podcasts, kind of like dating matching sites. And so that's how we connected but we have some profile matches. And here we are today. And we're just having this conversation. Glad to have you on Troy. Troy McFadden 1:18 Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. Brandon Handley 1:21 Absolutely. And, you know, the idea is, we're like, I'm not sure how familiar are with the idea of the shamans hollow bone, right. But I feel like you know, we're, we're like these hollow bones where spirit energy just kind of fills us up. And we just act in accordance with universal source as it were right. And in that essence, like today, you're on here today delivering a message from Spirit to an end listener that can only get what Troy has to deliver in this moment. What is it that Troy has to deliver to that listener today? Troy McFadden 1:56 Well, let's see what happens. Honestly, Brandon, I don't know. But I trust that we're going to co create moment to moment. And by the end, there'll be at least one prominent theme that will emerge. Brandon Handley 2:10 Not fantastic, right? We'll just we'll just kind of let let source guide us as it were, less horse, guys. And so I think that it's great. I don't run into too many guys, right? Too many male, too many males in the spirituality space. And so I'm curious kind of what your journey has been like to get into this space was the Moyer and really kind of embrace it. And then how are you leading from spiritual, your spiritual self? And what's that like for you? Troy McFadden 2:42 I love that question. First off, I agree with you, there is not as many men that inhabit this space as there are women. And there's a sadness in me about that. And also, it requires, in part, accessing our femininity, regardless of our gender, because there's surrender and openness, trust, yielding, allowing, be holding questions that are necessary, as part of the spiritual journey, aren't that are necessary in order to be guided? Brandon Handley 3:18 I like that. But I guess my first question would be, are those are those things that are mutually exclusive to women or femininity? Or are they just things that men haven't given themselves? The permission to access and we see it more in feminine, in the feminine, Troy McFadden 3:37 perhaps both. And in fairness, spirituality in the spiritual journey requires the masculine as well, there needs to be a spark of what you know, what's traditionally masculine, right? Risk taking adventure, all of this, ultimately, it's a balance a union of the two, that is required. But in my own case, there's been a lot of surrendering, there's been a lot of taking off of armor. It's been painful. It's been vulnerable. It's been humbling. But ultimately, it connects me more with the earth with natural cycles and rhythms. And it does bring me into a sense of divinity as something that at least for me, is well both masculine and feminine. There's something kind of inherently female about it. And it's nurture and its protection and its power and its own unique power, this kind of thing. Brandon Handley 4:31 Children toy, I do not, do not okay. You know, so my wife, I've got a couple kids and there's definitely there's a power around a mother, right like that you just can't get you can't mimic it as a male. Right and you really can't you won't see it in too many other places. So when you say power, I just think I think my wife and you know, just the power of motherhood. And so when you're talking about the nurture and protection, that's definitely coming to mind. When you talk about, you know, surrender, where do you find that for yourself any and again, before we even go there, like I believe, like you, you found yourself like kind of drawn to spirituality like at a young age, if I recall, right, just from kind of reading a couple of your, your pieces online, and what's really made you lean into it, like what's drawn you to it, and what makes you stay there. Troy McFadden 5:29 Ultimately, I think it is the bliss, in part, it's the bliss, it's the love, it's the feeling of connection that comes with certain states of consciousness. And then conversely, it's, as the Buddhists would say, it's the suffering in life, it just becomes more painful to stay in those states once you've hung out, in, in, in other places. And so this to me is kind of like the the the safety valve or the trap door in nature to assure to assure any, any evolving being that they'll start and continue to move towards the light. The Brandon Handley 6:08 the safety net, and so falling in like this bliss and love in a certain way that you find. And spirituality. Troy McFadden 6:15 Yes, yes, that's absolutely. Okay. Brandon Handley 6:18 And you're you're primarily focused in on mindfulness practice, right? Is that kind of what you're, you're best known for? Would you say? Troy McFadden 6:29 I would say so. And in that heartfulness, is also included in the Asian traditions. What is generally translated as mind actually includes both mind and heart? Brandon Handley 6:42 Yeah, yeah. No, I'm glad you brought that up. And listen to one of your other episodes, he brought up that as well. If if you look at my logo, you'll see you know, there's nothing I forget which guy's got which is a Buddha Jesus and each one of them's got like a heart over their head and or their heart. And and if I saw that connection for quite some time, because I'd heard about it being brought up. And you know, we don't have that traditionally, in the West. This this heart mind connection, nor do we have a word for it, in your experience, sounds like you've connected those to yourself. What would you like in that connection to? How would you explain that to somebody that's unfamiliar at all with this space? Troy McFadden 7:28 The connection between heart and head? Is that what the question is a Native American teacher of mine, has characterized the journey from the head to the heart as the longest one you'll ever take. Because in modern cultures, etc, we become disassociated with it, we sort of live in this upper top heavy space of the rational mind. Whereas when, in truth, the heart is the center of wisdom always has been seen as such and revered as such through through time. So it's a matter of sort of deconstructing the mind. And I think that can only happen are only motivated enough to start that process. Once we've seen its limits. However, we tend to experience that the limits of the rational mind powerful as it is it has limits. And perhaps Then, and only then, are we willing to be brave enough to do what it takes to take that journey to reconnect with the center of our being the center of our wisdom, the heart. Brandon Handley 8:43 Did you find that to be true for yourself? Would you find out the fact you ran up against a wall for yourself or limit the limitations? Troy McFadden 8:53 Sure, because we can't figure out how to be completely How to be what we are in our entirety with our head. I'm thinking of the old Einstein quote that we can't solve a problem with the same level of consciousness that created it you know, it ultimately involves feeling being sensing embodying incorporating and the mind just That's not his job that's not its primary job His job is to judge to assess to analyze etc wonderful to be honored a necessary part of being but only only one slice of the pie. Brandon Handley 9:30 I mean, it's funny when you say slice of the pie I'm also just thinking that's the mind job slice and dice analyze, apart, compartmentalize and like put things in certain places categorize it also that you know, it's easily accessible for us to be able to, to kind of react but typically when we react we react in like this fear base base. And I don't know I'm not really also connected to my own heart to be frank right. So when when I'm when you talk about kind of connecting the two are coming from this heart centered approach. Is it from more of a authentic and more vulnerable space seems let's talk a little bit about what that looks like. Troy McFadden 10:12 Yes, it is more authentic, it's more authentic and that it's more complete. And it's more vulnerable. And again, it's, it's wiser. Because it's able to behold the paradoxes of life, you're able to feel the beauty and the joy and the love in the world more completely, and are thus more connected to the greater whole. But at the same time, you have to experience the the sadness, the angst, the wounding, the desperation that exists as well. It's, it's not a one way mirror, you know, you got to be hold it all. And that takes courage takes a certain kind of strength in order to inhabit that place. I don't know if I'm answering your question or Brandon Handley 11:00 not? Well, it's tough, right? It's really tough, right? I hear it, and I feel it, and I get it. But you know, I guess on the on the other end, I'm thinking of the listener right on these sound great, how's it gonna benefit? You, you know, how's it benefiting you, how's it benefit the listener to get themselves into the space? Troy McFadden 11:23 Well, it's the source of, of depth and joy. In life, our emotions add richness and fullness to life. And what is the case for most of us is that we only want to feel the, the pleasurable emotions and we don't want to feel the other emotions. And so we keep the door shut completely as a result, or at least partially, and we're trying to play the game of only letting some in and only letting or you know, and not allowing others, and it just doesn't ultimately work. So living in our heads, in other words, is very limited and limiting. Right. And it's kind of this, as you say, this compartmentalize kind of surface dwelling, middle of World way to engage and relate to life. But if you want to really experience life fully, you've got to drop down, down and in, and behold, and be with and accept and allow, and ultimately be grateful for everything that you experience. Brandon Handley 12:32 When I, I love it, right? When we talk about this dropping down in, and I'm gonna scroll back up here, because we talked about the journey, the longest journey that you take is the one from your head to your heart. Right? And it sounds like this drop down in size and a lot accept and allow is a couple steps along the pathway. Would you would you say that's true? Yes. Would you be able to explain what that might look like for listener that bore myself that hasn't made that that journey? Troy McFadden 13:08 Sure, I'll give it a shot. The first step is being with what is accepting that it is exists, that could be discomfort, that could be pleasure, it could be a mix of things, just being with it. Right? Not trying to deny it, not trying to push it away, not trying to automatically disconnect. And in, in that acceptance, there's there's somewhat of a pause, generally, things at least slow down, if not pause in order to allow for that, allow for the acknowledgement. And then in that pause, there's a spaciousness and we can work with that space, we can kind of expand into it a little bit more. So beyond just accepting that it is, you know, and and not immediately applying judgment to it. We can enter into it, right, we can allow, we can allow ourselves to feel it, and our bodies, whatever comes whatever the sensations are. And, and, you know, again, there's sort of a process that seems to unfold, it's not necessarily a methodical process, and more than one thing can happen at the same time. But ultimately, again, yes, we were present with what is we allow ourselves to experience it, we may even take a sense of curiosity and openness into it and that and that can come with appreciation or lead to appreciation, and ultimately, where this where this leads? Well, there are steps beyond this, but we can access an inherent gratitude that exists underneath all our judgments and all our labels and everything else, just an underlying, inherent gratitude for the experience of being alive. Everything, everything even that Especially that because it brings learning that brings us gifts. Brandon Handley 15:07 When you talk about gratitude, how would you describe the feeling or the space or being grateful to somebody? Troy McFadden 15:22 There is a deep appreciation and an awareness that there is a reason behind whatever is occurring, you may well not know why. But there's a sense of connection with something greater than ourselves. And a trust in that thing, whatever it is, as the source as source, as something that is providing you with exactly what you need to learn and grow in this moment. That's one way I might describe gratitude to someone. Brandon Handley 16:00 But I'll take it only because that's exactly like not word for word. You know. So, you know, my gratitude practices, you know, write down or if I'm in the car, like sometimes I don't have enough time to write down my gratitudes in the morning. I'll verbalize it, right. But I wanted to really sit this morning with what is gratitude and the way that you described it. Like I said, not word for word, but really close, right, this connection that we feel to source, right, and, and you can just feel it, and the appreciation and the awareness of that just in the moment, everything's kind of just the way it's supposed to be. Right? And it's pretty amazing. And it's awe inspiring, all those things. So thank you for that, you know, you've described like I would have, but you never know how somebody is gonna describe it took me and I don't know how long it took you. How long do you feel like it took for you to understand what gratitude was and to feel that feeling and to be able to invoke it at will Troy McFadden 17:04 decades, if not lifetimes? Brandon Handley 17:07 decades, if not lifetimes. So I, I know that you, you've got to, you've got a singular practice, you've got a group practice, you know, what makes you even want to be a coach, like you see all kinds of things you could be doing out there in the world. But what is it that draws you to this space, Troy McFadden 17:27 a desire to serve in a very specific way, in a way that affirms the dignity, the sovereignty, the power in everyone else, and everything else. And as a vehicle that, that allows for that to be expressed and received within in a very direct way. I mean, in other words, I could sell coat hangers for a living, and still bring mindfulness and heartfulness and connection and all these elements that I bring as a coach. But in coaching, I'm able to speak to it, and in direct ways, and in hear from people in direct ways. And ideally, at their best things get into a state of absorption, where things just arise between the coach and the coachee. And things are channeled in, you know, one gets into intuition or even in states beyond that. And some, you know, some magic occurs, which would probably be a less common experience if I was a coat hanger salesman. Brandon Handley 18:32 Right, right. I mean, you could be I could just imagine that being kind of a fun show, though. Right? The the mystical coat hanger salesman kind of guy traveling around the world. So are you you're able to really kind of tap into your own spirituality, intuition, and share that with your clients, or most of your clients. Are they seeking spiritual guidance? And, and, you know, kind of talk to me a little bit about what that looks like, you know, what kind of kind of clients are calling me like you, Troy, I could use the spiritual help. And it sounds a little bit like what Troy McFadden 19:10 this is my clients aren't coming for that reason. Some are and I take great delight in it. Most are coming for more worldly reasons, but when I am able to do is draw on my own sense of connection to spirit and soul, for that matter. So from this maybe broader, more expanded realm, which informs me so that I can, in a sense, bring the light in to people's more and I don't say this judgmentally but more mundane concerns, perhaps illuminate them to to shine the light on different aspects of this so called problem so that the the coachee can see it from different angles, and they can have their own experience of expanding around it and allowing for, you know, different perspectives. It's not up for me, you know, to me to be different Vader have that it is my job to inspire that. In others. Brandon Handley 20:05 That's great. So I mean, think looking kind of for that light within them and help them tap in that for them. Troy McFadden 20:13 Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Brandon Handley 20:15 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love I love that. I think that happened to me through my code being coached. And I was like, Oh, I got to do this, too. This is great. You know, this, this is, I mean, why wouldn't you want to make people you know, support and encourage them and show them just how great powerful, amazing that they are? Right? And, and you know, that I think that that's what's great about coaches, and you know what I'm hearing you say that too. And then, you know, for me the idea of the word coach, right? Sounds like Cokes, right? coaxing the light on somebody else, right? Some coaxing the light out of them, or, you know, coaxing them to their own great anywho Anywho. So, let's, let's, let's keep it moving. Like, what? What would you say? You know, we talked a little bit about, I would actually, I'd love to hear more about what you feel about. Male spirituality? We don't really have that conversation too often on the podcast, but from your space, and where you're at? How would you? How would you classify that? What, How's it different? And, you know, how do we really inch in? How do we grasp onto our male hood, right? Troy McFadden 21:30 It may actually be more helpful to think of it as how do we let go into our male hood, because we live in a very hyper masculine culture, the whole culture is like that not is more or less, right could be characterized as that not just men. So there's this sense of always had to prove ourselves, and as I said earlier, to be armored to be tough, to be strong to be aggressive, or at the very least assertive, and, and competitive, and all these elements that are typically associated with masculinity. And thus, it's very difficult for men having the unique relationship to ego, that that men tend to have to, to let go. And to drop that, or at least be willing to be brave enough, and a new way to explore a different way of being. So for me, it comes with being warm and engaging, and connecting and helping to appease anyone's anxieties or concerns when I'm around. And, you know, at the very least, let them know they're safe from me, hopefully, that they're safe with me, and that they're appreciated and respected. And all of this stuff usually happens in very, very subtle ways. But there's an art to it. And to me, it's the it's the art of fully embodying fully embodying rather, our, our masculinity, our whole rather than just this part as sort of protector and provider and everything else, there's also this power and warmth, that that can be part of that, and an inclusion and all of these other elements that are sometimes thought of as as feminine. So yeah, when you really get into this stuff, and you go deep enough, there's, there's a place of balance, it's not androgyny, it's something that includes the whole and includes both aspects more fully and completely, so that one can inhabit it. So I present is very male, you know, I'm like six, three and 220 pounds, and, you know, whatever, but I'm very soft hearted. And so, you know, it's always an art of how, how do I work with this vehicle that I have, in a way that best serves the moment, sometimes I'm going to be more overtly masculine. Other times, I'm going to be more more nurturing and caring and overtly feminine. But that's, that's part of the journey is becoming more fully human, so that we can inhabit a broader realms and be of service with it. Not just self serving, which a lot of men tend to fall into, for whatever reasons. Brandon Handley 24:09 Sure, sure, not I love it. The, the whole idea of you know, this being armored and having to be tough, aggressive and assertive, you know, not for nothing. Maybe it's because I'm not six, three, but that's, but that's never really been my own. And I was also raised by, you know, my mother and you know, had more of a feminine, more, more of a feminine, you know, influence than than male. So, it's really interesting, because you might feel like you're doing doing it wrong as a male if you're not trying to be aggressive and assertive, right? And you're like, Well, you know what I mean? So, what, when we talk to somebody, and they're telling you Well, I'm just not, I think I should be more aggressive. I need to be more assertive. Do What is your response to that to some other male Troy McFadden 25:05 and so on the person and it depends on the moment. Some other males do need to work on that, and allow that to come through as part of that balance nuanced, you know, breadth and depth that they draw from. I will I will share with you and the listeners now to that one of the challenges that men can face in our culture or cultures like it, I think America is one of the most extreme of not extreme examples of hyper masculinity is that what arises in other males in particular is sort of a case, there's sort of a dominant submission dance, am I going to be the dominant one? Or, or am I going to be the submissive one, and most people want to be the dominant one. So it's a matter of like stewarding one's ego, like, I'll be submissive if you need to be the dominant one. Because on a deeper level, I know that we're connected, and I know we're okay. And I know where you're at. And I know where I'm at. And also, as a as a very common thing that arises is some kind of homophobia to some degree, like, in other words, if you're soft and warm, and caring, and kind, and you take that extra moment to connect, you know, within, you know, some women have this as well, it's like then, and with that, then, of course, inherently is fear. Oh, oh, okay. You know, and all these stories come up about it. I don't identify that way. But I've certainly felt the the phobia and the and the resentment and the resistance and the judgment, that I think a lot of people that identify as homosexual or something related to that experience. But that's just part of the, the price you pay as it were, to bring your own light, and your own progressive balanced healthy, masculine energy into the world, it will encounter resistance, you're going to encounter resistance anyway, as a male. So you might as well be working on something, you know, grander. Brandon Handley 27:06 I love, I love the idea that that you brought up to about like, this need to, for many males to be the in the dominant role. And, and to do that dance, whereas you know, if you can just understand, you know, spend my experience, right, where if you're dealing with somebody who really feels like they need to be the dominant one, you're like, Alright, cool, man. You're it. Let's just move forward. Like, let's just what are we what are we trying to do here, right, we go back to the beginning of our conversation, we talked about CO creating, we could spend a lot more time co creating and putting things together together, if we just support each other, and if you got to be if you got to be the dominant one, so that we can get shit done. Let's do it. Like I don't that's cool. Cool with me. Cool with me. One of the things that I would say that I've witnessed so and again, just very curious about your experience, is there can be like an over rotation from any type of like, you know, being I guess, hyper male, into like, hyper feminine as a male and trying to strike that balance. How do you help? How do you help others do that? Troy McFadden 28:14 I'm glad you brought that point up, because it is another parallel of the path as it were. So when you first start experimenting with, you know, moving beyond what you might feel attached to stuck in what you've previously identified with, perhaps exclusively, you're going to err on the side of, you know, you know, either shifting back into that hyper masculine role, or, you know, in your experimentation, perhaps you resist to try something else out to kind of go into this overly feminine role. And then that comes with its own issues, you know, women tend to want us to inhabit certain elements of masculinity for the sake of all just as the world wants and needs women to inhabit certain aspects that, you know, that they tend to bring into the world. And I don't want to, you know, be exclusive here and I'm including, there's a spectrum of course, but just for ease of Brandon Handley 29:05 working in generalities here at a Troy It's okay. Sorry, we're not singling anybody out. Troy McFadden 29:12 Right. Exactly. And we're including everyone, Brandon Handley 29:14 everybody's included. That's right. That's right. And I love that you brought that up too Right? Because going back to just western male dominant male and coming from male and female right this idea of competition the females still have a concept of what a proper male should be right and again, you're not kind of acting in accordance to that there could be this kind of like this off putting presence that you bring where to where you said earlier what I really liked it that you want that you want somebody anybody to to feel safe around you right or at least you know, safe from and or with you. Right And and I think that there can be some times that if you don't bring like this, this extra mail with you like extra than theirs, they get like a quizzical look. Troy McFadden 30:09 Yes, yes, that's right. And you know, women have absorbed a lot of the the lies and the myths etc, in our society just as men have about what men are supposed to be. And while they tend to broad strokes here where they tend to be much more open and accepting and allowing, there is this, you know, belief that you are a man and thus you are like this and you're expected to behave in certain ways. And if you're not behaving like like that, you're doing something a typical, even if it's not overtly aggressive or threatening or something, it's it is it's, it's, it's, it's a it inspires a quizzical look, and it kind of an internal, you know, a lack of cognitive dissonance, I guess, and of women. And again, it's all part of like this art of life, you know, how can I show up completely and fully and, and then respond to the moment with whatever it needs, however, I best can. It takes work. And I think that's one of the reasons men are where they're at. Because depending on where you're at, in the hierarchy, if we look at things like that, especially if you're, you know, a white male, affluent, whatever, you're kind of at the top of the pyramid on one level. And so you can just unconsciously bulldoze your way through. But any everyone else, you know, anyone else who's not in that category doesn't have that luxury. But if you are that, and then and then you're you're you're saying, Look, we're all on this pyramid together, we're all part of it. And there is no hierarchy. Well, people aren't used to that. They don't necessarily know what to do with it. Men, women and other. Yeah, Brandon Handley 31:47 you're right, right. I happen to spend a fair amount of time with, you know, the white affluent male, and there's this tendency to, um, just kind of say, be obtuse, right, and just kind of, really, I don't know if gross negligence is the word, but it's close enough that I like, Troy McFadden 32:09 the term in this context, right, just Brandon Handley 32:11 kind of a sense of self. And it's very interesting. But I get what you're, I get where you're at. And I appreciate this conversation. Because again, we don't we don't get to have that. I don't think I don't think males are having this conversation too often. And if they're having this conversation is generally not and some type of public forum that's easily accessible for other guys come out and be like, wow, you know, I'd like to, I don't know, find my artwork, right, like the tin man. Right? Yes. So how are we able, you know, to open ourselves up, open our hearts up and live in a heart centered way in today's world? Troy McFadden 32:57 What a question. First off, I just want to acknowledge what you were saying, you know, a man could, in the safety of his own home, or, you know, privately listen to something like this. And that's part of perhaps the service that we're, we're offering today. And CO creating is that, hey, we're relating like this. So maybe you can relate like this, at least sometimes with some people. It, it takes again, I've said this before, but it takes a certain kind of courage, a certain kind of bravery and a certain kind of strength to be willing to live in the heart and from the heart. And women in general tend to be better at it. So one thing we can do, as we start down the path or we you know, expand on these aspects of ourselves is to look to the women in our lives as examples. And perhaps as a source of guidance. Women are generally only to a too happy to help men get more in touch with their hearts. And, and it can involve really simple things, it might actually involve physically touching your heart at times, as you're expressing yourself, or as you're receiving something. I've lived in Bali quite a bit of my life, and they have a they have a habit as they greet each other to touch their heart briefly as a way to stimulate it and connect. I mean, it's a beautiful ritual, very out of place in many cultures, but it's something that that has stuck with me. And I'm sure it comes across as odd on occasion, but it it at least it's not intimidating. And it might even inspire curiosity and it gets me in touch with my heart and I can actually feel my heart energy in my hand. And it's just a way to make sure that I'm relating on that level. So a bit of an odd habit, perhaps but something simple like that, to remind us to come from here, rather than appear Brandon Handley 35:02 has definitely sounds great. I, if I'm, you know, sounds a little bit like, I'm sure you know, at the Heart Math Institute, right? I think that they talk a little bit about doing something similar, you can do that just to get that connection. But that sounds great. So just kind of pause yourself. And just remind yourself by touching your heart that you're coming from the heart, right? And so you're feeling that sensation, and just reminding yourself that that's where you're trying to come from. Right. So I love that guidance, you have any other type of guidance? Well, you know, I'm gonna wind it back a second to because you said, I'm a big fan of the word courage. Are you a fan of David Hawkins, you're familiar with the the consciousness map, map of consciousness with David Hawkins? Troy McFadden 35:46 The name is familiar. I'm not familiar with the map. Brandon Handley 35:50 All right, well, I mean, so the gist of it is, so in the map, you know, you start in like, the lower rungs of consciousness was just gonna be fear and shame and grief, and like all these other pieces, and they're, they're logarithmic scales, and goes all the way up to, you know, 1000 1000s, basically, Christ consciousness, right? With love being 700. But at 200 is his courage and his, the courage is that tilting point, where you come out of you come out of being afraid, you come out of your place of fear, or you step into a dream, or you step into something for the first time for yourself that you're living into it. And it's courage is that tipping point. So that's why I bring it up. I was curious if you were familiar, would you say it's, would you say that that's true, from your experience, that courage is the tipping point into, I don't know, leaning towards bliss, or following your bliss or opening your heart even. I would have to reflect Troy McFadden 36:48 on that for a while to say if it's the tipping point or not, but it's certainly an important necessary aspect of the journey. And it's indicative of an opening up a willingness to try something else. So in that sense, it may well be. And, you know, men tend to talk about and like this, you know, this sense of risk taking and adventure and all of this kind of thing. So the notation that I'm going to extend now is like, Okay, well, how about risking being vulnerable? How about risking opening your heart? How about risking the expression of your genuine, deepest feelings. And in that way, it might inspire that that male part of us that you know, wants to take risks or whatever and apply it in, in a new context? How willing are you to drop the need to feel power in order to experience perhaps even greater power, or a different kind of strength, as I referred to it earlier than you've ever known. Brandon Handley 37:55 And it is true. When you talk about vulnerability, though, you know, for a while, thanks, Brene, brown, you know, vulnerability was, you know, the, this kind of this catch all, and a lot of people were trying to leverage it, at least in the social media space, as this kind of like, showcasing their vulnerability, which to me is, you know, now you're just putting on a show and staging something. And then there's also like this other I think I think she actually talks about in her book is like, you're not just like verbal diarrhea on top of somebody, how would you have put vulnerability in the con? What would an example be for somebody just kind of know what volubility might look like or feel like Troy McFadden 38:41 some of the outer edges of working with it to start with it might involve simply not needing to be right. Perhaps expressing a perspective or opinion as just that, rather than, you know, my way or the highway are this kind of like demanding way that sort of, you're pushing things through in that there's a certain amount of vulnerability and that you're open to being wrong, you're open to some other way being the best way forward. So that's, you know, one entry point, one way to start. It's an extreme expression of vulnerability to to just, you know, it's an erotic to just rip yourself open and, you know, go until all the imbalances or whatever, there's discernment needs to be applied to it. And there is a time and a place to be self protective and to protect others. But walking through life as a warrior involves being open and trusting that you'll respond as need be in the moment, knowing that you have resources to draw from on a spiritual level. It's quite different than being a soldier who is armored, who is into an us versus them mentality who travels heavy who looks at the world with fear as Place to to be braced against a warrior can walk with true strength, proudly, openly with focus and with a gentleness. Brandon Handley 40:10 I really like that a discernment distinction between the two. So thanks for thanks for sharing that the difference between a lawyer and a soldier, right? Never heard kind of described that way before. And I appreciate it. For sure. So, I'm definitely like to get to this one part as I always kind of think of, of what we do here also as spiritual speed dating Troy, right, somebody is tuning in for like, maybe a half hour an hour, and they're just looking for their next spiritual date. And I don't know about you, but like, look, I definitely go through I cycle through different people. And it tends to be like a 90 day, 90 days, give or take, right where I'm like, Okay, I need something, I need something new. And there's so much content available. Right. So Troy, bachelor, spiritual bachelor number one question for you would be, what are we also afraid of Troy McFadden 41:10 fear itself on the unknown, our true natures. The power and connection that comes with that, and the horror at realizing that we have chosen to be separate for as long as we have. Brandon Handley 41:30 Wow. It's really amazing when you reconnect with yourself, right? And to your point, the horror of realizing how long you have let that go. How to you know, it's real similar to get into the heart. What is like something that you, you know, alright, like, I still recall, when I kind of fell into this space myself, and I was at a dad's convention and talking to other dads, and I was like, wow, you know, how are you stepping into your greatness? How you, you know, how are you expressing that? They're like, Whoa, did a real push back there, right? Like, oh, whoa, whoa, I'm not great, right? Like, Well, I'm not talking about like, you know, go out and fly around, or do all these other things. Like, you just like, have this inherent internal greatness, it just feels amazing. You just have access to it whenever you want, you can apply it and so many awesome places. They don't even want it. Right. So how do you know how to help guide somebody into that space? Or how do you help them just kind of become aware of that without saying, hey, you know, I'm gonna tap into your greatness today. Troy here, tapping into your greatness. Right. So how does that happen? What do you what do you like to do with that space? Troy McFadden 42:55 question I asked that's very closely related to this. Because for most people, and for most men, when they get into a sense of like, owning their greatness, it comes in in an egoic way. And it's puffed up, and it's artificial. And the flip side of that is self doubt. So one, one question that I find myself asking is, imagine what you have to deny. In order to believe you're not worthy. Imagine, imagine the spirit, the power of the universe that you are, imagine how much you have to turn away from how much just connection is involved. To explore the idea to behold the idea to be attached to the idea the belief that you're not worthy, and to therefore have to compensate for it in all kinds of unhealthy ways. That's that's, Brandon Handley 44:03 that's powerful, right? I mean, I'm over here with some kind of Goosebumps. I'm like, even trying to put myself in that separation of sentence base. It's like it feels helpless, right to even try and put yourself into that space. You know, why wouldn't again, why would I want to try and access that I'm, I'm one of the right like I you know, don't try and take something away. That's innate. I mean, that's basically what you're doing. I don't know if you're watching or if you've ever read the series. That's, we'll time that's on right now on Amazon. Did you ever read that? Did you read the series? Troy McFadden 44:38 I didn't read the series, but I've watched the first couple of episodes. Brandon Handley 44:42 Okay, well, I'm in one of the episodes I don't think they talked about it just yet the day stilled. They what's called stilling, STI ll ing the mail wizard. And what that does is it cuts that person All from source that they've finally, you know, they. And it's really talks about what you just said here, right? Like, if you cut yourself off, if you've taught source and if you've been a part of it, and you've recognized this within, there's really, it doesn't go anywhere else, it's always there. And to cut that off and never be able to access that again. You'll have a deep look into it in the series, but that's enough to make you mad. Right? Troy McFadden 45:28 Yes, among other things, there's an enormous ignorance associated with it. And we have to own that and then the sadness of, of our predicament, as it were. And again, it comes with some very real vulnerability. And, and yet, in doing that work can be holding it. You can open into Brandon Handley 45:53 unimagined realms. There's two storage just I love it. One last one for you. Bachelor spiritual bachelor number one. Um, what is your one wish for the world Troy? Troy McFadden 46:07 We wake up, and that humans in particular inhabit, what is their potential destiny, if not the destiny that they're meant for, which is to be noble stewards of the entire planet? Living things, nonliving things seemingly nonliving things, all of it. That's my deepest, most heartfelt wish for the world. That's beautiful. Troy. Brandon Handley 46:38 Do you see us headed in that direction? Do you feel like we're making a change? In our time right now? Are you seeing it happen before your eyes? Troy McFadden 46:48 I don't know. I am open to the possible reality that it is happening. Because whether we change or don't, we we're going to enter into this bottleneck period. It's either going to close off and that's the end of the chapter. Or we're going to come out of it, we're going to emerge from it having been seasoned, forged, wiser, and just better. Brandon Handley 47:19 All I can think of as a cast iron skillets Troy, so we're going to come out at least at least seasons and wiser. Troy, thank you so much for being on today who like Who's your ideal customer who should be reaching out to you. Troy McFadden 47:35 Someone who is open to their own development, their own growth and development. Whether they see that in a spiritual light or not, is less important than a genuine desire to change, to expand to grow, but ultimately, just to become more of what they already are. Brandon Handley 47:54 I said Where Where should we send them to find you? Troy McFadden 48:01 You can find me at www dot Wisdom Warrior coaching.com That's probably the best place to contact me. Brandon Handley 48:09 For I want to say thanks for stopping on today. Thanks for we worked we worked through our technical difficulties and and we found our footing and we made it all the way to the end. Thank you so much for joining today. Troy McFadden 48:18 Thank you very much, Brandon. Unknown Speaker 48:21 Really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove co you can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual dough and Instagram and spiritual underscore dough. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email through Brandon at spiritual dove.co And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. 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When people think of the idea of flow, they usually think about it in reference to an athlete. It is that feeling that comes when you are so immersed in what you're doing and time seems to stand still. They feel like they can see and do everything without effort and it feels like they don't want to stop. Brandon Handley 0:01 What is going on spiritual dope been a minute, since we Unknown Speaker 0:10 tried to make them like do I say come at them live and we never come at you live. Brandon Handley 0:14 It's been a minute though, since we have hopped on two podcasts and done a solo. It's been a moment since we've done that. So coming out of my little spiritual practice, always, not always, but I tend to on Instagram just do a little posta a mini reel of coming out of Brazilian jujitsu. And I tagged it as spiritual, spiritual, dope, spirituality, and BJJ. Because that's where I'm able to go into and get into a state of flow. A state of everything kind of dissolves and goes away for a little bit. Because what happens in life in general? And this is why meditation and breath work is so vital, is that we get caught up in our thoughts. We get caught up. I know I didn't look I saw speaking first, Prof speaking as me, you know, I know that I get caught up in my thoughts. I get caught up in what's what's the next right move to do? What's the next right thing to do? I get caught up in my fears, I get caught up in anxiety, I get caught up in all that shit. Okay, well, I get caught up in, you know, being happy and find enjoys? Well, unfortunately, I would have to say that more of my time is spent in, in I'm not in that space. Right as often is I work to get into that space and find myself in that space. The reality of it is, is that I've got a family, I've got job, I've got got these call material responsibilities. And you know, there are some things that I need to at least assert influence over. If I'm not able to control it, what can I influence, and it's whatever it is that I'm influencing in my daily life, it's my job, it's, again, my household. That that's the control that I exert is the influence and sometimes the expectation of that influence is not what I would have liked it to have been. And that's where we can find ourselves. That's where we find ourselves. And that's where I find myself being frustrated. That's where I find myself, you know, asking myself, What could I have done differently? What needs to change? How do I, how do I go about this differently? I don't do as much of this is something that I used to do. I don't do is once about like, what, what why don't they get it? You know, I don't I don't do that? I don't I don't ask what should change about them anymore. So much. And that's not 100% of time, that's a greater percent of time. Because when when we do that, when I do that, I'm giving the other person, people these other things in my life, the ability to kind of control me, right? So what I need to recognize is, what is it? How do I need to approach this differently so that I might be able to get my point across because when I realized that I'm not getting my point across and in something in a dialogue, it's not them, it's me, I'm not understanding my audience. I'm not understanding the words that they use, I'm not understanding their approach. So I'm not adapting properly, and I'm not creating communication in a way that they would like to be communicated to. So I've got to look inside, I've got to look at myself and I've got to understand, Okay, well, what do I know about this person and how can I make that adjustment? So those are some areas that I can influence and those are those are the things that I'm gonna control those The things I'm thinking about, right, those are things that my mind is just like, my mind is like a maelstrom, all these things coming in and flying around, you know, I don't duck fast enough to not get hit by all these thoughts that just occur. So when I talk about it being BJP, my spiritual practice, I've got a lot, I've got plenty of those thoughts, I've got plenty of the thoughts that I do have are immediately reactionary or proactive. In terms of how do I work this person, their body and the role. Fair amount of it, though at this point has become subconscious is simply built in. At this point, it's just the same as walking or riding a bike. After a certain period of time, you just kind of get into this state of flow, your body knows what to do. You still got some thinking to do, but you're in a state of flow, you're in a state of, of letting your body do what it's supposed to do, you're in a state of the mind is the mind is silent, the mind is gone for a little bit, because you're just in a state of, of kind of knowing what to do, or at least knowing where you are. And there's a there's a stillness, as as often as it looks like, and I'm sure that if you've ever watched somebody do a BJJ Brazilian Jiu Jitsu roll. It looks like a lots going on. It looks like a lot going on. But I would say that it's not too different than just just like a dandelion see kind of flowing in the wind. Right? It's, it's the deal, the person I are, we're kind of locked. One of us is to the dandelion seeds, and the other ones the breeze. And that's really what's happening. And, you know, we're in this state of flow. As, as Bruce Lee said, you know, kind of be like water, and water. It flows it, it adapts to its surroundings. It can transform and still be water, it can be ice, it can be gas, it can be, you know, water itself. And so when you're when you're doing your roles, and you're finding yourself and you find yourself in that state of flow that's being in my mind, that's, that's your connection to Source, you've got a stillness about you. That's means to me that all the things your body, mind and soul are locked in, you're in lockstep, here. You're doing, you're doing your boy band dance together, everybody's just doing everything's just doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. And it looks and feels good doesn't, it doesn't really matter how it looks, it just feels good. And so where can you find that? For yourself? Where is practice, maybe it's drawing. And then another place for me, it's when I'm cooking. It's in a place where I find it most often, in a place where I'm trying to create something. That's what I think about when I'm making a meal and creating I'm involved with it, there's, there's an intent, there's love going into it. There's who it's going to serve as all the things. And in the creation process. I find myself in a state of flow. So where do you find yourself in the state, so that you are connected. And this is like where you this is a place where you can find your joy and your kind of imminent fulfillment. of kind of like that's the state of being that in my mind, you were sent here to be in the state of flow, the state of connectedness, this eternal state, where time dissolves and everything outside of, of you, dissolves. And like Master Oogway Kung Fu Panda, you find yourself in a state of inner peace. I'd love to hear back from you. Where your state of flow is how you find your state of flow? You know, and maybe, you know, I'd love to hear back from you, if this has inspired you today to go find that you don't need to be in it for a long period of time, you can find yourself in the state of flow for five or 10 minutes in a day. Then you will your your entire day will be shifted your physiology, your body chemistry, your paint your brain, everything's going to be shifted as you enter this state and you'll feel a wholeness and I want to hear whether or not you got into that stay. I want to hear within that as far as you to get into that. Or just even if you don't have the time today, what is it that gets you that state

Ann Hince stopped over on the Spiritual Dope Podcast and had quite a bit to say! About Ann: I am just like many other people. Just like you perhaps? I had a childhood with plenty of trauma and dysfunction. I had PTSD into my 30s, the result of two alcoholic parents. I became a software engineer because it was so comforting to know that logic could work in part of my life, even though it never seemed to work in my chaotic life as a child. In my 30s and 40s I was afforded the luxury of being a stay-at-home mom to my two boys. Realizing how traumatized I still was when my boys were young, I set out to become the calm mom I wanted to be. I changed. Things changed. Life changed. I had no idea where I was heading, I just continued to do "my release work" which is what I called it Connect with Ann here: https://annhince.com/ Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you, this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:41 Hey, there's spiritual dope I'm on here today with and hence, when n was 19, she woke up one morning to find her mother dead in her bathroom. 20 years later, the tears and that trauma were still just under the surface and found a simple technique that helps her release these emotions. But she went further and now can put her awareness inside her body, which she calls insight or in Word sight. And it's found that seeking out our truth, what we truly feel and accepting those feelings is the key to inner peace. And thanks for hopping on today. Let's I mean, I mean, I know it sounds dark, but I think we end up in a good place. Absolutely. Yes. Fantastic. Fantastic. And and, you know, thanks for checking out we were talking a little bit here earlier, you checked out a couple of podcasts, you know that like to start us off with the whole idea that we are we're conduits for Source Energy, right? There's somebody that's listening to this podcast today, that's going to pick up a message that can only be delivered by you through you from source energy today. What is that message that's coming through today? ann hince 1:46 A message is that we have so much power inside of us, though, that we're not aware of until we get there. Brandon Handley 1:54 What when you say power? What are you talking about? Like I can lift up a car, I can shoot laser beams out of my eyes? What's happening? Where are we at? ann hince 2:02 Right? Well, I mean, I've got to the place where I can put my awareness inside, I can hold my attention, my focused attention on tension stored in the connective tissue, and it releases. So at this point, I've got these X rays that show that I had shifted the whole structure of my skull, but possibly not the whole structure, but a good amount of it right, they've actually the bones have actually shifted. So my eye sockets have aligned my jaw, which was way off to the side is now in the center. Mostly, my neck has straighten, they have scoliosis, so it's straightening my whole body is and talking. And if my tooth roots are grown, so if I can do that, just with focused awareness with no physical manipulation of any kind, then we have a lot of power within us. Brandon Handley 2:48 sounds super impressive to be sure. I mean, it sounds very Allah Joe Dispenza. Right. Sounds sounds similar that would would you attribute what you've done, wholly to an internal awareness? Or would you say that there's diet and anything else that plays into what you've done? What would you distribute it to? ann hince 3:07 This has been an expansion of awareness from being not aware of anything, right? I have so much resistance inside of me when I started this work. I didn't even know how I felt right. If someone asked me, How are you doing today, and I would always say, I'm fine. Because I didn't want to look inside, I had resistance to actually looking inside. So when I found this technique, which is called EFT, it's very well known 1000s of videos about it online. It's short for emotional freedom technique was the first thing that really felt like it worked for me, like, it just changed me. I was at a doctor's appointment. And he asked me, he recognized that I was more stressed than they should be because I was just a stay at home mom with two young boys, I shouldn't have been that stressed. But he recognized that. And he asked me how stressed I was. And I said it was an eight out of 10. And I knew immediately it was those tears that were still just under the surface from finding my mother 20 years earlier. And he used this technique on with with me for about 15 minutes. And I walked away from that appointment, being able to tell the story of her death to myself, without any emotion. And it just was such a huge change that I knew something significant had happened. So I learned how to use it. And I started using it and that expanded my awareness. I mean, I didn't even know what that term really meant at the beginning. You know, we use it a lot, but have a deep awareness of what awareness means at this point. And we can get deeper and deeper. So to begin with, I was only aware at the level of words. I knew what it happens, but I didn't know how I felt about what had happened. And then I became aware of the emotions, the feelings around what happened. And then I became aware of the physical sensations underneath the feelings. So like we might say, you know, we might say we're angry, but that anger is actually Your set of physical sensations, right, we might have tension in our jaw and in our fists, and maybe our solar plexus, and we call that anger. But you can actually become aware of the physical sensations. And then I found another technique I, like, I worked on worked with another technique that I call feeling your feelings and actually became aware at a deeper level. So I could actually then hold my awareness inside my physical body, which I'd never heard of before. So, you know, I felt like I was doing something. It was just part of the path. I didn't quite know what I was doing. But I just kept doing it and just released more and more deeper and deep attention. Brandon Handley 5:43 So it's funny, right? When you said, we use the word awareness a lot. And to your point, the way that you're using it, isn't this external awareness? I know, this is my history, as my mother would always talk about this when I was growing up. Like, like you said, earlier, I was born in San Francisco, late 70s. I mean, you couldn't really dodged that bullet of having somebody that probably talked a little bit about this, you know, high vibration, energy and awareness. And I always like what I'm, I'm totally aware, I didn't hit this wall. I didn't do this, what do you need me to be aware of goodness gracious. And of course, you know, 40 years later, give or take, I'm like, Oh, got it. Check. Right, I'm just, it's a totally different sensation, a totally different meaning. But I'd love to hear what you mean, when you say awareness, just so that somebody else's. And here's your interpretation of that. Sure. ann hince 6:40 It's what we are aware of. So I have a good example of this before COVID, I used to have a group and we would meet weekly, and the beginning of the group would all sit in a circle, and close your eyes, and I would play a series of chimes. And everyone was just supposed to listen. And at the end, everyone would open their eyes, and they would say their experience. So the people who had the least awareness would just hear the chains with their ears. Other people would hear the chains with the ears, but also feel that the vibrations, the sound vibrations inside part of their body. And then at the other end of the spectrum, people would feel those sensations deep inside and throughout their body. And there's different levels of awareness. So once you know that, then the people who only hear the sounds with their ears, they know there's another level of awareness that they can attain. And the people on the other end, who already have that depth of awareness can then understand that there are people who don't have that awareness, right. So we, we all live in this world with a different level of awareness. And just with sounds, but it's, you know, it's also with subjects, right? If you're, if we're really emotional about some subject, and there's many subjects around these days, right, just think about abortion, or race or vaccines, any of those things. We're emotional around it. And we often then can't step back into awareness around it, we get stuck in that emotion. But something that we're not emotionally attached to, we can actually stand back and say, Okay, I know why this is happening, I can see the bigger picture. So that's from a place of more awareness. So the awareness now that I developed on the inside actually reflects to the outside. So you know, that phrase as within so without, it's absolutely true. So the awareness you're talking about from the 70s? That is just the external awareness? Brandon Handley 8:44 Well, no, no, no, the document in the 70s. Right, from exactly the internal she meant the internal awareness you already had, right? Me I didn't, I was still I was still, you know, like, again, I was like, God, just don't pump it on the wall. I got it. I'm good. She's totally aware. And you know that, but that's but I think, you know, that's our western culture and immediate upbringing, a lot of us never advanced past that into this internal awareness that you're talking about. And we continue to believe that it's these external things that we're seeing that create what we feel on the inside, right? You talked a little bit too about, you know, the feeling our field, I love how to you grouped the physical sensations to the feeling. I've never heard that done before. I always think about definitely different lines of our way of thinking into subsets of like code and objects, but you've taken these different feelings like ooh, I'm clenched up and my guts all tight and all of a sudden, that's, that's anger. Right and being able to do that, so I think that's awesome. And and being able to feel your feelings. This is I think I listened to yours earlier. It took you a while to feel feelings? And you know, I don't know if you knew like prior to finding your your mother dead, right? Did you feel feelings? And then you had that trauma and then just kind of shut down? No. And then reestablish, you know, connection with your feelings. years later is that kind of what happened ann hince 10:20 I had enough trouble i Both my parents were alcoholics. So, you know, I walked on eggshells, but for many, many years in childhood, so I was well shut down by that point already guess. So when I started to try and learn how to feel my feelings like it was, it was foreign to me, because I had suppressed them for decades. And I think most of us have, maybe not all of us, but I certainly had. So to actually try and get in touch with those feelings and allow them to be there because they would want to hide, right? The feelings, the physical sensations would want to disappear. They didn't want me seeing them on any level. So Brandon Handley 10:57 I get 100% familiar, right? The whole idea of, of just not even being able to tell somebody what you're feeling. Or to know that you want to feel something else. That What's your feeling? As long as you're not feeling upset, and as long as you're not feeling mad, then you must be feeling okay. Right. And there's a whole bunch of stuff in between that, that that I think that we shut off from and we were taught to do that, I guess kind of growing up. Right? Good and bad. I mean, I've witnessed it, I've actually accidentally done it to my own child, right, where, you know, tell him not to laugh. I think at a dinner table like once for like, it was dinner, I forget what was going on. But you know, this is like, alright, buddy, there's a time and a place. And like, years later, I would find him like trying to hold back. Like why why like holding back your laughter because we told me when I was five that I wasn't supposed to laugh. I was like, I didn't mean forever. Right. But that's what we take it as children, we lock this, we lock this emotion in this time, and this place and what we were heard, and we lock that in for the rest of our lives. And my guess is, you know, that's similar to what you did you have to kind of retrace all your steps and rediscover your feelings. You want to talk a little bit about what that was like, for you? Sure. ann hince 12:13 Um, yeah, you're peeling it back layer by layer. And it's, you know, EFT is a great tool to begin with, it's so easy to learn. And it's very powerful. And what you're doing is you're totally finding your truth in the moment. And, you know, like we just said, I was talking more about the physical, but even on the words, the emotions, like, it's hard to find your truth, because you don't, it doesn't want to be seen. So the EFT, which is where you're just tapping on the Enter meridian points, as you're talking through things, it just allows the energy to dissipate out of the body. And then the truth becomes easier to see. So that's kind of the expansion of the awareness. And as I started to do it, and went through all my went through all my childhood traumas that I could remember, I just tapped through them all one each day. And I found my mind becoming quiet, which was, that was really my goal. My goal was in a peace because I was I was very reactionary, and I was my mind was busy all the time. And I just wanted some relief from it. So I found my mind becoming quiet. And at that point, I realized that the words that I had been replaying in my mind, the ones I've been criticizing myself, and judging other people, those have been my dad's words that I had programmed in myself in childhood. And I would just replay them over and over again. But I couldn't see that until they were gone out of my mind, and at that point, actually felt like I was living in a different reality, like, I go outside, and it just felt different. Because my mind was different. So it's just been a progression from there. It's pretty cool. Brandon Handley 13:51 Would you say that it was kind of like, a releasing a weight, and you kind of like a experience of freedom? ann hince 13:58 Absolutely. I mean, it's part of the enlightenment process. I believe it is an enlightenment process, both in terms of releasing weights that we've been carrying around the baggage we've been carrying around. But also now that I can actually send something inside I see that underneath the darkness, there is light, and it's it's there. So yeah, Brandon Handley 14:20 no, for for sure. Now, when you say, you know the energy dissipates out of the body. Where's it going in? What's happening with this energy? How's it you know, how's it dissipate on if you want to show an example of the EFT? I know they've seen it done different ways. But what's happening when you're releasing this energy? Well, so ann hince 14:40 that's an interesting no one's asked me that question before. I'm a I'm not entirely sure where it goes. It's just disappearing into the into the universe, but I know before that it is stored in there. Well, I believe the connective tissue of the body which I believe is where our soul resides, and it has a electric Got components to it in the fashio of the connective tissue. And the tension is just stored in there. And as we tap, we're tapping on the inter meridian points in the body, it somehow creates an energetic interrupt into what's already stored in the body and it releases that energy that don't quite know how it works. I can feel when I'm when I'm not doing when I'm doing more the feeling the feelings are actually going inside now and holding my awareness on the tension. It just dissipates. It just lets go. I mean, at this point, I'm working with the connective tissue directly so I can actually feel its release, and I can hear it release with my that is just a deeper level of what the FT is doing. So it's dissipating, Brandon Handley 15:46 though. I mean, hey, look, that's fantastic, right? We don't always I think that there's always this, this desire to demystify the mystical. And sometimes I'm cool with like, it's, it's like, sometimes let it go. Like, if it works for you. Fantastic. It works for others. Awesome. I don't really care. You know, in the end, how it works, if we can replicate it, and it sounds like you're able to teach this to others, and you've learned it yourself, and you've replicated it for yourself, then it works. That's I mean, I think that's, that's all really anybody needs to know, for the most part, right? I love that you're able to actually kind of hear like, do you feel like you're hearing like an energetic release, dropping, shedding what's happening, I'm ann hince 16:33 hearing a physical release. So it took a while for me to actually get into my be able to put my awareness in my head, it was easier to put it in the body. But once I got up to my head, so close to my, my ears, I can actually hear it sounds like old fabric ripping is what it sounds like. And it kind of freaked me out the first time I was a little concerned that maybe. Brandon Handley 16:55 Right? Well, I mean, I think I would be a little concerned. Myself 100%. But I ann hince 17:01 knew it was the start of the journey. So I just kept doing it. And it happened. Brandon Handley 17:06 I would love to you know, so we talked a little bit earlier about becoming aware of the awareness. When you became of your awareness when you're going through this process. Were you scared? Were you worried? Were you concerned? Were like, whoa, this I shouldn't be feeling this never felt this way before what's happening. Tell me a little bit about that. Lately, there ann hince 17:28 was several times along this journey that I actually felt that when I was first able to hold my awareness inside, it's like, what is that? That's, that's really weird. And the way I explained it is, you know, if you have a toothache, or a stomachache, you can tell where that is right, you can feel where it's coming from. But once the ache has gone, you can't really put your awareness back where it was. So I could actually help put my awareness back on to into wherever it is that I focus my awareness, so I can actually hold my awareness in the roots of my teeth now, which feels really weird. So anyway, yeah, that was one of the weird times. Another time was when I had been working with collective traumas I was, I was feeling the physical sensations, and I would lay on the sofa. And I would bring out these collective traumas like 911, right, we we all experienced a lot of emotion that we stored inside from that. So I would feel that and let it go and feel it and let it go and feel it and let it go until that emotion was pretty much gone. And then at some point, during that, I started to feel these electrical currents inside me. I mean, and that was, that was weird. What I realized, I mean, I believe it was Kundalini energy, it experienced it for months, I can move it up and down my spine, it was really cool. But to begin with, it was a really weird thing. And I realized that it was that I was releasing so much physical tension so rapidly that my body had to release it in a different way. And it was releasing it through electrical something or other. Brandon Handley 19:03 Why me? Super interesting because it doesn't sound you said you feel like it was Kundalini. So it wasn't a Kundalini process that you would invoke but you had this energetic kind of internal feeling and release that you would you know, just from what you studied and what you understand you would relate to as as kundalini right ann hince 19:27 I believe so from what I have read yeah, there's just it was electric current that I could just relax into the more I relaxed the higher up it went. And yeah, leave no one else around me could feel it. Brandon Handley 19:39 But that's that's awesome. I mean, you know, I think that so if I were to look back at wow, you know, what to do only real awakening experience that I've had that was was real similar that whole body energy just like food, like super high and being like what's happening shouldn't like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be feeling this, and I talk to somebody about this. What do I tell my wife? Right? Like, I mean, for me, that was scary. That's, that's part of my story. And and so it's it's always interesting to hear, you know, so who did you have conversations with about this? Does does these awakening experiences are becoming more and more aware? Or is this something you kept quiet? talks a little bit about that? ann hince 20:27 Yeah, I didn't really, I mean, I talked to a few good friends who had kind of on the same path, but no one I spoke to had experienced the same things. So, um, you know, that's why I believe what I am experiencing is the original meaning of the word insight, right? Being able to see within, in with sights, and it makes total sense to me, but I've never heard anyone else talk about it that way. We hear people say, look inside. But when they see that they're really thinking, look inside the minds that when I'm doing this, I'm outside the mind. I'm actually well, I might, I'm outside the thinking minds, but I might be inside the feeling or the sensing mind. Brandon Handley 21:10 No, I love that. So let's talk about that. I know that I am consistently told with every energy worker, I go and see that my heart is closed. And that I'm in my head. Right? And it's all about, you know, how do we get out of the thinking mind? And get in touch and sit with? I know, you keep saying feel the feelings? But sit with your Are you saying sit with your feelings or sit with your emotions with your bias? Explain that a little bit for us? Oh, ann hince 21:39 yeah. And the words feelings and emotion get confused. In our, in our world, I tend to think of emotions as the words, right, we use the word sadness for a set of physical feelings or physical sensations. So with EFT, we're tapping, you are focusing on the emotion, right? So I might be tapping on feeling sadness. But then you can get to the physical sensations underneath that. So sadness, maybe you're feeling it somewhere in your chest, or maybe the heart rate, maybe that area, maybe there's physical sensations that you're associating to the feeling of sadness, that emotion of sadness, right. So when I'm feeling the feelings, I'm focusing on those physical sensations, I'm not thinking about them, I'm focusing on feeling what they feel like in the body, right? So you get the difference there. Okay, so then I'm focusing on that feeling, holding it there trying to just allow that feeling to stay there, because it's just stuck energy. It just wants to get out the body. But we've held it in sometimes for many decades. And so it doesn't know how to get out. So we just holding awareness on it attention on it long enough that there is a shift. And I tend to find that shift happens when I need to take a deep breath. And then I let the breath out. And then there's then I think, the thought, again, that had the feeling the sadness, and see if it feels the same. And if maybe it's shifted somewhere else, maybe it's decreased somewhat, and I do the same thing, feel those sensations, not thinking about them, but feeling them. And then they'll shift again and do that over and over again. And then the thoughts becomes independent from the emotion, there's no longer any emotion behind the thought. And there's freedom there. Brandon Handley 23:35 Right, I'm trying to process it in once, you know, because, because it took me a long time, I think to even you know, connect with my head to the feeling right, the the D motion, and now you're telling me that I got to separate the feeling from the emotion. They're two different things, right. There's like, and the feeling the emotion is a group of the feelings and their physical. Right, just so that because right now, mentally, I'm just pulling it apart so that you know, I can I can you know, try to put this into practice myself. Right. And what's that? What's that look like? I definitely, like I said, it took a while to go get a little bit out of my head to even connect with my feelings or emotions like because I've had somebody asked me once and like Fran I hear you talking but I don't hear any like I don't hear like any emotional words or any emotion geared towards like he's right. I don't like nothing. And so it took me a while just to even establish the idea of different emotions like I was talking about earlier outside of like, I'm not angry. Good. If I'm like not crying, great. Everything else in between. I mean, I don't know. I literally No idea what are the rest of what's that range. And I would leverage the AI levers to blue check, we'll myself is just a different range of emotions. Not sure if you're familiar with it, I love it, I'll share a link with it, you later, but it tells you all different emotions and kind of where they lay in, in kind of like, like anger is, is kind of like the base of a whole bunch of other emotions, right? And then there's intersections between anger and yada yada, I'm not a specialist. But um, so So we now got like, I love it right feelings are stuck. Energy. And so EFT is is a way to, then you're tapping your body and trying to get the this stuck emotion to get on moving, right. And you can use this sounds like use it with feelings and emotions and trauma. But as far as I understand, you've also been using it in the Law of Attraction space. How's that work? ann hince 26:04 Okay, can we come back to that? Let me just want to say one thing, emotions and the feelings. I'm not so remind me to come back. This is it starts in childhood, right? We will see a child who's holding themselves tense, maybe they've got the facial expression of anger. And we tell them, Oh, you're angry. And at that point, they start to use the word anger, and they disassociate from those physical sensations. Right? So we're reversing that process. We're letting go of the the words, and we're actually coming back into contact with the physical sensations that we then call the moment Brandon Handley 26:43 I love it. I really do. So and Thanks, I appreciate I appreciate that. And, you know, it's, I think it's still like my children are still young enough. I could do, maybe I'll help them, I think this will be helpful for them to again, separate those feelings from the emotions, or at least say, hey, this feeling is this grouping of, you know, kind of kind of remember that. I mean, because we all I don't know about you, again, I've done several exercises where you tense up and you're like, Alright, no way you're tense, but like, I haven't done this other part where we stick the emotions to the feelings I'm in. I mean, all right, we good. We go for a law of attraction. So yep, let's go the law to action for 1000 Alex. ann hince 27:30 Okay. So I think of it slightly differently than is out there generally in the public world. And I think of it as working all the time, right, every second of every day, we are emitting a signal, and we're attracting back into our future based on that signal. And the signal is the whole of us. It's everything about us. It's our size, it's a shape, it's our hair, it's our clothes, it's our thoughts, which most people tend to focus on. But I believe the biggest part of it is that tension from our past that we hold in our connective tissue. That's why we tend to replay things over and over again, that we have had before because it's part of our signal. So if we want to change our future, we need to change our signal right now. And we can do that by, we can do that right in the moment, by relaxing. I mean, that's why something like meditation might help, it relaxes you in the moment. So you're putting off a better signal, you're attracting things in the future, that they're going to be more peaceful. But to get to the real deep changes, which is what I wanted, I wanted to change my bass signal. So I wanted to change that stored stuck energy. So to me, that was the power of EFT. It's letting out that tension that's been stored inside for all these years. And I know at this point that it really I mean, it really is changing the basic rates aligned my skull, so I have to be emitting a better signal. I mean, have all these crazy things happen during the day of the week? So yeah, so Brandon Handley 29:06 I love I love this whole. Look, I'm in right changing the base signal. And you're doing that, you know, is basically like, I guess if we're trapping all this energy within ourselves is like, we're almost putting like a lead shield on ourselves and not letting the true signal kind of get out. Or, you know, all we're sending out is static because we were holding on to a lot of static, right? Well, not a lot of energy that just is muddying up our, our true signal, right. And I say true statement like that, because we're always emitting our true signal. But you know, we'd like to think that there's a higher, better, best good version of ourselves in here somewhere. And a lot of us aren't expressing that because of, again, this dis tension that we're holding within. We're also there Energy, ann hince 30:00 no idea how much tension we started saying that I possibly had more than other people because of stuff that happened in childhood plus the scoliosis my whole body was taught. But when I was actually able to put my focus my awareness inside my skull, the pain and the tension in there, the forces that I could now be aware of was just incredible. I was totally amazed how much tension was stored inside of me that I had no idea about no idea before this. So you know, it's really it's quite eye opening, once you actually become aware of the amount of misalignment that we are in and we're not aware of it at all. Brandon Handley 30:46 Oh, I, you look, I don't even know. Right. So, so much of, of kind of what you're talking about, even even the idea of relaxing in the middle of a conversation and realizing just how tight you are in a conversation. And to be able to kind of change that signal like in in the midst of it. That's something that I've become more and more aware about over the over the past couple of years. And that came for me to me through breath work, right? Realizing if I'm tight up here that like I'm probably tense, I'm tense up here, right? So if I release that, all of a sudden, I'm relaxed. I'm like, I'm able to just step back a little bit. I'm out of that fight or flight mindset. And hopefully, I'll be meeting calm. Like you're saying, right, I'm sending out a different signal. One of the things I want I definitely want to chat about though is you basically say you grew your tooth roots longer you adjusted your your skull and your back. How long did that take? What was that process like for you? Was that part of that insight awareness, because I'm sure there's people out there that may not believe that this is possible. But it also sounds like you've got photos and X rays that prove this as this is true. So I want to talk a little bit about that. It's a great story. ann hince 32:10 I mean, I think all of it has worked to release that tension. I only got the X rays recently. So you know if I'd got them two or three years ago, before I was actually able to sense inside those changes. Would it be in there? Probably somewhat, I would think already. It's, it feels like it's exponential. So the release of tension feels like it gets faster and faster. So you know, this point where I am putting my awareness on the inside, I feel that tension releasing, I've actually felt the bone shift, which is another one of those scary things. But I know it's all good. It's all the way happening the way it supposed to happen. But I don't think I could have I couldn't have done that at the beginning. Maybe it's just it's a journey that I don't think you can step into this point. Without going through those first few steps, just that expansion of awareness. But yeah, I do have X rays. I had x rays taken this year for Orthodontic work. That's the reason I had them. I had one similar one eight years ago. So that's why I have the photographic evidence. And it blew me away when I saw it. Yeah, I did the way the middle of my skull is kind of opened up. And yeah. So it's possible Brandon Handley 33:29 to do the dentist come up to me and say, What do you been doing? ann hince 33:35 And know that the dentist didn't actually see them? It was just the x ray technician. But yeah, she she, she didn't really look at them in depth, she actually looked more at the soft tissue and asked me if I was an athlete, which I lacked that because I'm not Brandon Handley 33:50 well, that's great. I mean, that's great. That means something's working, something's working. Here's another good one that you've got on your site. And I bring this up because we were my wife and I were hanging out over Thanksgiving and we're talking with my mother in law. It's just kind of about energy where we've been gone the acupuncture and yoga and all the spiritual stuff, which you know, is newer in this household. And, and and with with my in laws, at least a conversation. And she goes, Well, I've never I never experienced like my third eye opening. Right? How, you know, how does somebody know that that's been open? Like what is what does that process or what's that awareness look like? ann hince 34:40 Yeah, it's there's so much information out there in the internet, about third eye opening. I only have my experience to go through which was being able to see or sense on the inside and I know I'm looking from the middle of my skull. So it could be the pineal gland. I don't know for sure. I just know I can sense what's above what's in front, what's behind what's below. So it's somewhere there. And it's loosening up right to begin with, I could only put my awareness inside and not really moving around very much. But now I can move it around, I can do it with my eyes open or my eyes closed. And each time I'm working it more it, I think it's letting go of some bonds that's holding it tight. So it's just making it easier to move. I know, it's really hard to understand Brandon Handley 35:37 what I mean, is it like, am I using a joystick? Am I moving it around? Is it like a is it like, you know, I'm very video gaming friendly? Like, you know, so is it like a visit similar to that is me describe what it's like, I guess, to be able to move this awareness around, like moving around with a camera. ann hince 35:56 I guess they could be counted like that. I mean, you can put right you can, can you put your awareness on your kneecap? Right on the skin? Right there now got your awareness up over onto the top of your thigh and move it up your thigh? Okay, I'm just doing that inside the body. Brandon Handley 36:20 Got it? Got it. You know, I think since you bring it up, like I think headspace I'm not sure if you're familiar with the headspace app, he has a couple exercises that are real similar that so if I were to go back and look at that, and being able, I don't think that he ever called it moving your awareness around inside, but the way that you're discussing it. I have gone through that process. Now I have to go back and practice more so that I can fix things that are wrong inside of me. Or maybe they're not wrong. Right? We got to be all loa loa specific. Right? ann hince 36:59 This whole process has been working with the negative, I really did the positive thinking. Because whenever you do that you're suppressing what's actually there. Brandon Handley 37:11 Right, right. Right. Right. So but but Could I just say that? If I were to, you know, allow me my little my little thing here. So not so much the positive thinking, right, but it's just something that needs more attention and nurturing that hasn't gotten the attention. Yeah, hasn't gotten you. I haven't been aware of it. Or I just haven't, you know, I've been looking for the quick Western fix the acute fix, and I haven't given it the holistic fix that that it needs. Right. ann hince 37:42 Yeah, it's not wrong. You're right. It's not wrong. It's, it is stuck energy. It's something we haven't looked at before. It's Yes, it's something that's been hidden. And we just need to give it more attention and let it pass through. Brandon Handley 37:55 Okay. Okay. Thanks for sharing that. Because I think that insight, inner awareness is something that has any, right, but it's something that we don't give attention to. Right. And you're calling an awareness to it by talking about it the way that you are. Because I think that we've experienced who's may have experienced that before, but haven't gone back and said, Oh, this is this is something useful. Right. And it sounds again, it sounds it sounds like you've had some tremendous, tremendous, real life impacting changes because of this is amazing. It's amazing. Also go back to the beginning to where just real quick, if I could, you know, when you said that you were just a stay at home, mom, you shouldn't be having this eight to 10. That's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. I mean, eight to 10 is not unreasonable, I wouldn't say but you know, to to at least recognize that you're at an eight to 10 and realize that that's not where you want to be. I think that's the key call out there for for me. Because listen, it's a job. It's a lot of work. And if you don't have I think I think that we as human beings were really meant to grow up and be raised and more of a community environment. And I think that without that parenting is a real challenge. If we don't have some type of community around us, if we don't have some type of support, you need a break. Right? You need those breaks, you need support from others, you need to be able to turn to others who are going through the same thing as you and not feel alone. So my guess is there was a lot of that going on for you as well. To be at an eight to turn right. ann hince 39:48 I would see other mothers at school who were so calm, and so wanted to be like they were and I love you know, when I had another parent come up to me and said that she would like to be as calm as I am. So Brandon Handley 40:03 there you go, has really shifted, there you go, there you go. And, and so you've been able to, you've been able to use this, you've also got a book out on if you want to share the title of that book and where others might be able to go out and get the book and just talk a little bit about what they might find inside of the ann hince 40:20 book. Sure. It's called a pathway to insight. And I, it's found on Amazon, or you can have your local bookstore order it. And it's I talk about the law of attraction, I talk about how we store that that tension inside of us in childhood, and just my explanation of how I believe it all works. And then I go through the different steps that I went through and explain what I did that weird things that happened along the way. And examples or ideas that you can do if you wanted to do the same, the same thing. Brandon Handley 40:53 That's awesome. And one of the things I always like to find out is like, how are the people that are closest to your family or friends, how they responded to you working with the energy field and your third eye and all this, you know, there's just other jazz now, you're in California. So the fry, like cool was come over and have a mimosa, and we'll talk more about it. So you know, it's only a little bit about what the reception of that has been like. And if there's been any fear about kind of coming out as spiritual. What does that been like? And how's that? What's happened? Like? ann hince 41:26 Yeah, that's an interesting question. I have a close group of friends, a group that we meet weekly, and we talk about this kind of stuff. And without them, it would be much more difficult. So, um, my family and not really into this, so I don't really discuss it with them. And that's okay, that was part of the process, you know, part of the process is letting things be okay, and letting go have emotions around other things. And I can only change myself. And if I become more peaceful, then the interactions become more peaceful. So it's all good. Brandon Handley 42:00 Yeah, that's an important, it's an important tip to realize that just because you've kind of hit this space for yourself. Everybody else isn't coming with you. Right? And that's okay. And be okay with it. Because I think that's, that's a real big one is like, Hey, I'm feeling this way. You should feel this way too is amazing. Let's all talk about it. Oh, don't worry about it's gonna be great. And they're like, No, thank you. And you're like, I don't get it doesn't make any sense. And you got to really, you've got to let go of that. Right? Just letting go of that. Because otherwise it's going to be more stored. And stuck emotion, more stuck energy, right? Because you're going to be all tense. And really, why don't you call me you should be here with me. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate it. Wait, look, we're at this little point here where I like to call it like a little bit of like a spiritual speed dating as it were. And and so are you okay, if I go ahead and ask you one or two questions, so yeah, all right. So let's see. What have we got here spiritual speed dating. Bachelorette number one, why is there poverty and suffering in the world we're all so connected and loving. We were all ann hince 43:20 programmed in childhood and we keep replaying the same thing over and over again Brandon Handley 43:28 program for poverty and suffering for a while. ann hince 43:31 That's the experience we have as we're growing up, right we program ourselves in those first seven years so if we grow up in positive poverty, we keep attracting the same thing over and over again until we let it go. And then we can move on and expand Brandon Handley 43:48 Yeah, I suppose if you don't know there's like another channel to turn to You never change the channel ann hince 43:52 Right? Right. How to change the channel right? We have most of this is subconscious right? We don't realize that we're replaying the same thoughts over and over again, right like with my dad, I don't know his voice was in my head until I had gone beyond that. Brandon Handley 44:07 Now that's That's true. That's true. I like it. I like it. Let's see here. Well, since we're doing like EFT and we're doing like, which is you know, emotions and tapping if you're not watching and you're listening in on the podcast, I'm curious i don't think i've used this one yet non verbally, by emotion or gesture only act out what you believe to be the current condition of the world. ann hince 44:40 Oh my goodness. Brandon Handley 44:45 God given us I could do ann hince 44:46 it without words. Because this huge variety right, I think we are breathing. There you go. You did it. You didn't want someone bringing up all this stuff that has been stuck inside of us. Brandon Handley 45:00 Yeah, look, so just for the listener, you know, big expansive hands, right, kind of just, like blowing up and, uh, bringing up right. So I like it's good. It's got never used it before. It's fun. It's fun. We'll get one last one, we'll get one last one in here. What? And what would you say that it is? We talked about kind of stepping into there, realizing how powerful we are, right? What is it that prevents most people from realizing their powers? ann hince 45:32 Resistance. And I almost feel like it is a you know, electrical resistance. We just, we get get cut off in childhood. And we don't realize we can get beyond it. So we don't, we don't know what we don't know. That's a great thing. Take some thinking about but we have to really want to change, there has to be some spark that says yes, I got to change, I'm going to do something about it has to be something that pushes pushes you to start looking. And then you can start to see. Brandon Handley 46:13 Would you say that? That's like the dark night of the soul? Do you feel I don't know. If you feel like you went through a dark night of soul? Or do you feel like a dark night of the soul is inherently necessary to get to the space? ann hince 46:28 It could be I probably did. I was a big blow up with another couple of parents at school and I was I just reacted to it so bad just in my head mentally for like days, I could hardly sleep and it's like, yeah, so it could be that. I mean, we often hear that that is the case, right? Something happens. And it's like, gotta change, something has to change. Brandon Handley 46:53 Yeah, no, thank me. I was I was Wonder. My experience has been a little bit different in terms of, Do I really feel like I've ever experienced a super dark night of the soul? Or do you just realize that you won't change and once you realize this changes possibly start to take this change? That sounds like you. Once you began to change the change, you recognize the change that you initiated? Did you done intentionally, and that change begins to accelerate and show up more and more in your life? And you're just like, Wow, I feel great. I don't want to I've always felt this way. I don't know why I've always felt this way. Right. But, um, so I was simply curious. So and is there anything else that you'd like to hit on? For our listeners today that you'd like to share? ann hince 47:37 I would just love to encourage everyone to, you know, one of the ways I would think about it to begin with is through that law of attraction. It's like, okay, I'm emitting a signal right now, do I want to feel this way again in the future? And if I don't, then I'll do something about it. Right? Like that could be as simple as relax in the moment or it could be tapping could be feeling the feelings, something to change that signal. And I asked myself that multiple times during the day. And it Brandon Handley 48:03 is that generally the first exercise that you would have somebody that reaches out to you do? ann hince 48:08 Well, I would have them learn EFT is probably look so simple, just as long as you keep EFT is powerful. And that works with the negative, it's only the negative that stored in the body, the positive is there underneath it. So all we need to find is the negative and a lot of people with EFT have moved it more into manifest the manifesting and the positive. But that's not stored in the body. It's the negative. So work with the negative. Brandon Handley 48:36 got it got it. So this is very similar to the Buddha that was covered in clay kind of thing, right? Get rid of that to get rid of the clay and then underneath that there's all ann hince 48:46 the gold. Absolutely. That's great. Brandon Handley 48:49 And thank you so much for being on today. One more thing, where can everybody go to find more about you. ann hince 48:55 So I have a website. It's just my name and hints.com and I have a YouTube channel with some videos on there. I've little more detail about things that I have gone through. And I have a public Facebook page that I'm really enjoying. I'm enjoying kind of copying means and and then explaining them in more detail through my experience you go, so Brandon Handley 49:18 be sure fantastic and thanks for being on with us today. Welcome. ann hince 49:22 It's been great. Thank you. I Unknown Speaker 49:27 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dough podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove.co. 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Unknown Speaker 0:00 You're now a lot what's going on? What's going on? Happy New Year. We are live in 2022 Spiritual dope is looking for a new year. I'm looking ahead at an awesome new year. And we're looking at how was 21 for you? I see a lot of people posted. Brandon Handley 0:24 Maggie and I were talking about this last night actually, we'd like to see a lot of people post and like, you know, happy that 21 is over. I'm like, you know, 21 was actually a pretty, pretty reasonable Year Happy New Year's cat Happy New Year's friendship. Like 20 was actually a pretty decent year. All things considered, like looking what we came out of like 2020 was a good show, like it made all other years look like, awesome you made all of the years like if you watch a movie from 2019 be like you could tell these people have been ravaged by the pandemic yet, right. You can watch that. You can watch some of that. You can watch some stuff happened in 2019. And everybody was like they were YOLO fashion was yo, yo, do whatever fuck they wanted doing care. 2020 came around, it was like, lock that shit down. Right? People? Yeah, 2021 went by with the record by new one, my crew Run Run, run, run, run. The put 21 was 21 was pretty reasonable. And I feel like we're in a pretty decent trajectory. I did a podcast yesterday, but I didn't. It didn't send it out. So I guess it doesn't make it podcast. This is the recording kind of like letters never met and reset. Just about like, all the things that kind of transpired in 21. I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah, look, I mean, I can't, like 21 Definitely had impacts on people. There were things going on. Things were tough for for plenty of people. But I think that once you once you kind of get your feet under you, and you get your like your sea legs, as it were, you got to realize that it made it made 2021 look really great by comparison and point pointing and talking about 22. And just kind of like all the stuff that maybe you've learned in 21, I can tell you this beginning of 21, I definitely saw myself like getting into breath work and do some stuff I had written on a board. Right, I didn't have a vision board. But I just had a board have a list of some things that I wanted to learn throughout the year and breathwork was definitely on there. I think energy work might have been on there. But I wouldn't there's no way I would have been able to tell you at the end of 21 that like I'd be hanging out with a bunch of crystals burning incense and hitting tuning forks and working with your energy fields. Throughout the year. I don't think that Meg would be able to tell you you know, some of the stuff that she's gone through, and the whole house is kind of walking around talking about Vives, third eyes, acupuncture, auras, and so on and so forth, I definitely never would have been able to predict at the end of the year, that I'd be getting gifts from my children. And my wife that literally, the crystal crystals was a tuning fork, which I thought was super cool. And not only that, I think it was just super cool, thoughtful gifts, what I love about the whole thing is that it's like they are supportive of of that space for me. And maybe not totally into it. But they know that it's important to me. So they let me kind of work in that space. And I think that that's when we take a look at relationships, I think that those are some of the things that are really kind of key and essential. And, you know, kind of how it all goes about, right? People don't have to be so much into the same things as you. But as long as they support what it is that you're into, and you can do that in a reciprocal nature. You can say yeah, look, I'm not at that. That's you I mean, if you want and that's what you're all about. That's great. Enjoy that. Go do that. Remember, I think it was one I think it was 2020 before the pandemic and made the I had the conversation about how makes doing her own journey. I'm doing my own journey, right. We both got our own journey going on. Mine might be like meditation going and hanging out. And you know, doing some breath work and maybe sitting in the tuning forks and just kind of sitting in that space. Hers is like watch a housewives and you know, having a glass of wine and doing her process, hers is writing things out, hers is going out and supporting her friends. And you know, she's such an amazing supporter. Like, that's somebody I'm always learning from and like, how do you actually go out and support somebody mag is mag is always negative always. And somebody is corner, right? As long as they don't fuck it up. But even then, even then, and then I'm trying to think what else? Oh, yeah, that was the other gifts I got for Christmas, which, you know, again, just showed me how supportive the family is of me. And not just that it was a thoughtful gift, for me, was the Tibetan same goal that make picked out and I remember, couldn't figure it out, make it work on Christmas Day. But uh, Simek pulled up the site. And I saw from the site that it wasn't just another crystal or another symbol off of Amazon, right, that could have been fanned out anywhere in a factory. It was one that was made in the Paul was made by, you know, the proceeds went to educating the women and the community. And the paper was specially made paper that had only been used and Nepal cement ceremonies. So even the story behind the gift that was even like Australian, you know, a wall, it just the whole story of what went into it was thoughtful in the itself and then to receive it as a gift, you know, just every time that you know, to the singing bowl bit like I'm gonna be thinking of that moment, that gift and how it all worked out. So, and towards the end of the year, right, even even end of year I decided to sign up to become a breathwork instructor simply because of how much is done for me. And when I brought up tonight as a well, here's what we're looking at. And, and, you know, numbers wise, it's just think, well, you know, you got to invest in yourself, right. And it's me again, I was just like, wow, you know, and I know that she said it with ease and with calmness and, and, and sincerity. And was even going out and being like kind of like my biggest cheerleader, like I hadn't really shared it before she shared it, and had people kind of lining up to be a part of that, once I'm able to go out and do it. So having that kind of support at home is definitely, you know, makes it easier to go through what may seem like some hard years, but I'd say that 2021 I think that's what I'm told make this given that that's like, this is a year that I felt like you know, her and I are kind of like more along the same wavelength, right? And relationships just got stronger over the years. So that's, that's always super awesome to see. So I know that all excited for 2022 Is she and I continue to gain momentum the boys continue to be the amazing boys that they are. And they you know, continue to grow in their own ways and don't right. And we face for them and that so I don't know what I don't really know what's going on with you. I'm super, super curious to hear about what your 20 twos looking like maybe what was your 21 like, cat looks like he had some rough patches, but you made it through a lot of hearing coming through always appreciate your support. I know that you're always supportive of Megan, I said, Thank you. What is it that you may be accomplished? What is it maybe something you learned in 21? What is something that you're carrying forward into 22 that you're excited about? What is something that 22 holds for you? Right? And I don't I'm not I'm not be the best you that you can be kind of person a more of the Discover how awesome you always been? I was listening to Sadhguru I'm not really a super fan, but somebody recommended him. So I'm second shot. But he was talking about self realization. And the idea of realization is that you realize at a certain point just what an amazing person that you already are. You realize at a certain point, recognize yourself really, I don't know, the truly miraculous wonderful human that you are. You look back in all your stories and you say to yourself, well say if I've made it through all this And I can still smile at the other day and I could still give more of who I am at the end of the day doing something right, right, there's something. I don't want to call it like something great about you, right? There's something, there's something that keeps you alive, right? I don't think that there's something else I told me. I was like, I was making fun of myself in 1997, like, forever ago, right? I was making fun of the fact that I was hitchhiking you know, middle of Texas. And I could have been picked up and killed by like anyone, right? The number of times that I've done stupid shit, that would have killed me or killed another. Like is, unfortunately, I count on more than one hand. So if you know I'm still alive, there's got to be reason for it. And my guess is something similar for you, right? There's got to be so many different scenarios in your life that could have taken you out. Right, there's so many scenarios in your life that could have taken you out, put me down for the count and Obama knows you. But you're still here. There's still something like within you, right? We talk about how many people take the music to the grave with them or how people tiptoe quietly across the stage of their own light. You're still here. And there's there's a reason for that. And if for no other reason than that, like when you wake up and you feel that force in your heart that the any point in the day, ready to burst through its shell and shine. That's to me. That's what 22 is looking like. For me for you. Right like I mean, that's what love to see for you in 22 What is something in 22? That's got you recognizing everything that's amazing about yourself. Love to hear about that. Anywho Happy New Year. Here's to 20 to 20 one's gone in books. Better than 20 books show and hopefully point point two will be that

Dr. Anthony Cahill became a doctor after struggling for years with chronic low back and neck pain. After seeing hundreds of acupuncturists, chiropractors, healers, massage therapists, physical therapists, he stumbled onto a doctor at a health fair that was doing something entirely different than everyone else.The relief was immediate, years of pain erased in seconds. After a short treatment period, this doctor inspired doctor Cahill to continue his healing journey, and seek out methods no others were using effectively. Now after 25 years of exploration, he's ready for you, wherever you are. Connect with him today here https://www.ahumanengineer.com/ The transcription below is machine generated and is not edited: Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you, this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:40 Hey, there's spiritual soap. I'm on here today with Dr. T. He became a doctor after struggling for years with chronic low back and neck pain. After seeing hundreds of acupuncturist, chiropractors, healers, massage therapists, physical therapists, he stumbled onto a doctor at a health fair that was doing something entirely different than everyone else. The relief was immediate years of pain erases seconds. After a short treatment period, this doctor inspired Dr. T to continue his healing journey and seek out methods no others were using effectively. Now after 25 years of exploration. He's ready for you, wherever you are. Dr. T. Thanks for being on today. You're joining today. Out from Prescott, Arizona. Great to connect with you. I usually like to start these off with the whole idea that you and I are you I just saw this in some shamans study, right? Like we're these hollow bones. Right? Where Spirit just kind of fills us and speaks to us creative energies speaking to us and through us. And in this podcast, they're speaking through you to this audience in this very moment that can only be like there's a message that can only be delivered in this moment. What is that message today? Dr. T 1:53 Well, I think that, like myself, that we all believe that there's something greater and bigger than ourselves something bigger than the human physical experience, and that we're part of this larger divine family than what appears before our eyes. So I thanks a lot for having me here today. And I just think that anyone obviously listening in on this is the minds have to be open, we have to be open and just recognize that we're part of something bigger than ourselves. Brandon Handley 2:27 100%. And, yeah, I think you and I are talking a little bit here before he got going on this. But let's let's let's give a little background on what it is that you do. And what you found that you're so excited about and that you've learned over this past 25 years and just kind of muddle around in there until we until we get all the good juices. Dr. T 2:50 Well, I am a chiropractor, I thought it was gonna be adjusting bodies all day long. My father was a chiropractor. My brother's a chiropractor. And God just had a different journey for me. I think it was the second week in school. I came across the guy sitting in the back of the room. He was the instructor for the class. I had a couple of questions for him. I ran up and I was all excited new with all this, you know, and and he was teaching some energetic course back then I don't remember really exactly what it was. But he kind of just sat there and he kind of looks down. He says hold on a second with your question. Hold on, hold on right there. And he reaches down and touches his hand. He kind of looks off in the distance. He brings his finger up and he goes, Okay, well, what was your questions? And I said, What the heck was that? And he says all that was that was Cindy in Kentucky. She called me before breaking. She was having some heart murmurs. And I said, Okay, I'll see you later. Have a nice day. I kind of ran out like a dog with his tail between his legs, you know, oh, my God, this guy's crazy. It's not and I you know, I had I had ideas of spirituality before I got to school, but I was late into school. And my first class was age 35. And so anyhow, I just left and, and of course, looking back now, I realized he was probably an angel who probably popped down and that was a big moment because I, I really liked what he was teaching. He was like 92 years old back then. And I know he's long gone. Now, obviously, my CS 130. But he couldn't be. Anyhow, so I go to another seminar about two weeks later, and there's a guy sit in the back of the room and he's doing these odd motions with his hands. I could tell he was really intense, intently focused, and I walked away. So you're working on somebody somewhere else, right? And he says, yeah, don't tell anybody. People don't like that here. i So okay, so. Okay. All right. I'll see you later. And at the end of the day, I caught him for a moment and I say, So how exactly are you doing that? He says, Well, you know, I just I just see it happening. I see it just was working. And I said, Well, what do you see working and he said physiology is normal physiology and I was able to tell them how to do it and it works really well. So that was my introduction to all this remote work. And so I kind of veered off of the physical hands on bodywork at that moment in time, that was probably a month into my training. And I just started seeking out all the various energetic modalities that are out there, there's hundreds of them out there. And I just kept looking at them and seeing them and some work better than others. And some had more awareness of how the world really works. And so I really focused a lot of attention on those that that that worked better, and made made sense to me in the course of how we experience the world. And when I'm talking about that, of course, I'm going right to consciousness, and you know, being a conscious being and experiencing this physical body, moving through this physical space that we have the space and time, consciousness is how, you know, that's, that defines how we are all one. As you know, I'm sure you think of an old friend you haven't seen in a while, and he calls you out of the blue, hey, what's going on? I'm out here in Phoenix. Having a good time in the desert, it's nice and warm, you got to come out and and, or you'll see somebody to store and they'll, they'll say, Hey, you remember, you'll think of somebody you haven't seen in 20 years. And, and and then you go to the store and you'll run into somebody who you see all the time. Hey, guess who I just heard of? Yeah, I heard that. So and so got in a car accident, he's busted up in the hospital. It's like, wow, you know, how do these, you know, they're these intricacies? These little connects the synchronicities happen. And so I've spent, you know, 20 some odd years looking at, you know, how all these things work? How can we alter that? How can we use how can we use this knowledge of quantum mechanics basically, to access and utilize this field that we're all in, you know, get? I think that the you know, we've come up with the term apply quantum mechanics, and that's what kind of is how I describe what it is that I'm that I'm doing. And then of course, we, you know, we bring in angels who bring in the angelic realm. And now we're doing things that really are just absolutely mind blowing, and right in front of your eyes, and nearly instantaneously. And if it is instantaneously, it's within a second or two. So sometimes it takes longer for some people. So that's kind of how I got you know, where I'm at. Now I've I've, I was studying all these different things. And I was working at the time of working on people practicing as I was at school, because I was a massage therapist before I started studying for chiropractic. So I had a license to practice. And I was slowly bringing in some of these other energetic techniques. And using these nine people do some massage, and I would do some of these other techniques. And one of these guys who I've been working with, he was a racecar driver, they had a really awful accident, we were able to take care of really about 90% of all these things he had wrong. But I was seeing him pretty regularly. I was seeing him probably every two weeks. And so we get to know somebody over the course of a year, year and a half of seeing them for something that really no one else is able to help him. And I helped him with the work that the guy used on me that got me out of out of pain. So I went and studied all that work. And so I use that on him when he came in and he was he's great as it goes, Hey, what's going on? So well. Mom's in a hospital in Dallas, they don't think she's gonna make it. They're looking for a heart transplant. They're saying that a quadruple bypass won't help her. It's so bad. And I got to get on a plane, I had to cancel all my work. I gotta get on a plane and fly home tonight. And, you know, say goodbye, basically. And I think if I remember right, he said that he couldn't get on a plane that night. It wasn't gonna be until morning. So he was obviously really concerned. And I said, Well, you know, there's this little thing that supposedly we could do from here. We were in Los Angeles. She was in a hospital in Dallas. And so he said, Absolutely. Let's give it a try. And so he sat down and we worked on her and I remember right, it was 15 and this is 20. This is 20 some odd years ago now, I think I think it was five or 10 minute treatment is all we did. And he called me the next morning eight o'clock in the morning is Yellen in the phony just couldn't believe it. She she got up at three in the morning. And Tuffle Texan woman got up at three o'clock in the morning, yanked all our tubes out ever walked out of the hospital, got a taxi cab and took her home. That was my first remote case. So I wasn't tossed into this where was something like that there's no disbelief anymore. So that was that's how that's that's how I got to where I'm at here. Brandon Handley 9:43 Not for sure for sure. When you talk about the work that was that initiated you what specifically because it happened to you where you experienced the healing on you. First, can you talk a little bit about that? Dr. T 10:02 I couldn't feel my legs, I would lose control of my bowels, I would pee my pants. I had knives stuck in my low back front of my back and kind of moved around. It went up and down my spine. It was it was absolutely debilitating. Absolutely 24/7. I had that since I was about 18. I grew up on a farm in Illinois. So when you grow up in a farm, you do a lot of work you shouldn't be doing, you get a lot of opportunities for injury on farms, very dangerous occupation, especially for a kid and you just don't know better. You know, you that's just how it is. That's what you do. So I was in pain for almost six or seven, eight years at that level. And this is pretty embarrassing as a 23 year old, 24 year old. You know, being unable to do stuff that others are. So in we were we were going camping, it was my ex girlfriend, we're going camping. And she was the one who was wanting to get into the healing at the time. And so we'd already looked some chiropractic colleges and a few other things, acupuncture schools as she wanted to do. And there was a health fair in town on our way out of town. I was like, I don't want to go to welfare. I already know I'm going to see I already have $30,000 I know half the people there. And I did. I knew half of the doctors there. Well, there was one doctor and Dr. Collins and his last name finally popped into my mind. He was he was behind the curtain doing it look like pretty much muscle testing people for nutritional deficiencies and things and, and I just thought, well, here's this guy doing something different than everybody else because everybody else was doing the same thing. And I mean, I walked around the it was a pretty large auditorium. I walked around a couple times looking at things and my girlfriend was talking to different booths and I walked back over there and sure enough, the girl steps Well, hey, it's fine for you. Anthony. He'll come come come on back. And so I get back in there and I sit down and and I go okay, here you go. These people whoa, whoa, hold on what's going on? And I just said, I damn near a broken to tears. It's just been so long. And I was at the end of my rope. I mean, I was 30 I was 30 I think I was 30 years old. And and I told him and he says Well, let me just see something here. Just hold here you kind of touched a couple spots on me. And he says Here lie on your side and I lie on my side. I'm like you know I've had the side posture 1000 times by chiropractor's is not it's gonna make it worse, unfortunately. He said, Ah, bring your leg up this way, start digging into my abdomen, pushing tissues away. He dug so deep. I don't think I've ever had anyone ever come near there. I don't think I've ever done that to anybody. It was so deepened into my through my through all my viscera, right to my spine. And then he had been moved by leg and basically it let go. And what that was was a so as muscle was welded, welded to the sciatic nerve, the sciatic nerve, and the autonomic chain, which is which controls your bodily functions. And I mean it, it hurt like hell. I mean, to say it lightly, it was unbelievable. And he did it like three times and say that it's time to go for a walk. So I got up and I started walking. And I think that was like the second or third time I was in the presence of angels. The lights came on. The music wasn't quite like that, but I could Brandon Handley 13:31 see oh, yeah, look at you. Sounds like he was able to heal something that you had thought you were gonna have for life. I mean, call it whatever you want, you know, touch whatever Highway to Heaven, whatever. Like, you know, there's this is somebody who's come in and, you know, you don't know maybe saved your life. Right? It sounds like you were in enough pain and probably depressed it to a point where like, you know, look not for nothing. I know if I'm an adult, and I'm shitting and pissing my pants like, I'm not feeling great about life. Dr. T 14:01 Right? Like it's coming to an end. It's coming to an end. Ya know, it was coming to an end. Yeah. So Brandon Handley 14:06 you got a guy down here, you've run into him by chance something you weren't even going to go to you like, Screw it. Let's go hop into it. saves your life. Dr. T 14:14 Yeah, changed my life saved my life. No question of it without him. I'm sure I would not be sitting here talking to you. You know, we all have had these angelic experiences in different ways. And some, you know, young people, we just discard this regardless, you know, people we just tend to disregard it. But it would not surprise me at all to find out one day Yeah, actually, he wasn't angel. He was at the right place at the right time to completely change the direction of my life. And God bless him forever in gratitude for him. And it has it has it's like being reborn when you have this happen. And I've been fortunate enough to have this happen in a whole lot of people now. And I'll never forget When he said to me after I saw I went to I started working with him. Once we got back from camping, we did a 15 day hike up in the mountains over 50 miles, backpacks, no pain at all, no problem at all. And I mean, I've never had any of those issues since. But we got back. And so I worked with him for about five or six months, and about a six month after I had done through four or five different jobs. He says, you know, Tony, you really, you know, I've known you for six months, you've had 10 jobs. You're so guarded. You're just curious. I mean, you figure this stuff out. And then, and then you know, they're on to the next one. So yeah, I can't stand it. Hey, Dad, he said, Well, the only thing you'll never figure out is the human body. You will never ever figure out how to help everybody. And sadly, he's correct. I can't help everyone. But I've been able to figure out how to help a lot. And I owe that. I mean, I'll never forget that day, he told me that I went to massage school, I studied that work that he used on me. And then and then eventually, I just I just woke up one day. And it was just in my mind plain as day as we're sitting here talking that it was time to go to school. And so I did 35 I started college. Brandon Handley 16:15 That's awesome. And so you you went in, you went in the same kind of vein as your family. Right? You started, you started this in a chiropractic space. But then you you quickly understood the impact that energy healing could have on somebody. And as far as I can tell, like you just be chased after like, get this should be, this should be something everybody should be doing. I want to learn how to do it. You get to a point where you meet up with the racecar guy, right? You heal on him. And then you and you're doing close proximity, right? Like I think that if I don't know what the hell it is, I'm reading right now. But it's some book, you know about the biofield. Right? Where you got you got about six feet, give or take around the body, right where this energy field and and you're comfortable at this point, working within that six foot energy field, right? You're like, I got this. I'm good here. And then and then you get this opportunity to just say, You know what? Sounds like a last ditch effort. Your mom could be dying tonight. Let's let's try this thing. Right. I've heard about it. I believe in it. I know what can be done. I don't know if I can do it. But let's, let's give it a go. You do it you have that moment. What happens after that? Like, would you share that with some of your family? Do you tell them? What are some steps that were you had after that? Dr. T 17:42 Well, I don't really share that I didn't really share with anybody at all. i i You know it back then it was still so it's still so far out. I mean, you know, you've heard of remote healers. And you know, some some people may have tried them. And I've tried a few I didn't really have any results at all, personally, you know, with in this particular case, she got on a plane and she was like, she was like, What the hell the heck is this? I'm coming out. She came out to Los Angeles a treasure for I don't know, maybe two weeks every other day for two weeks. And I was using some you know, some work that's still out there of the time, I was using neural link as a guy from a really great doctor osteopath out in New Zealand. It's good work. I saw was using that at the time, I think mostly primarily, and a few other things that I've learned locally in Los Angeles. But she came in she was deaf walking. She looked. She looked over the dead her I mean, she looked 110 I mean, she you know she had emphysema, COPD, chronic pulmonary obstructive disease she had, oh God, you name it. She had it. She had all of that in the end. And I think I saw I treated her probably six times over those two weeks, she left. And then about a month and a half later he comes in and comes walking down my stairs and I look out the window. I didn't know he had a sister. And I opened it opened up the front door. I didn't know yet a sister. Hey, I'm Tony. And she says why Tony you dirty dog. It's me Susan. This woman had lost 40 years offer. I mean, she it I just I was shocked. And that was that was a real eye opener for me of like, oh, okay, so this energy stuff, you know, I didn't crack her I didn't have to do it and he just didn't do any chiropractic. I you know, that work is fairly light touch. But it's but it's rubbing the body in different areas. Well, what I've come to find is I don't need to do any of that. I can do it all without having you here I can You can be I don't know. You probably be on Mars. As long as you're alive. I can do it too. I mean, you know, that's consciousness. You know, even even consciousness has to have an effect on Mars if you're a conscious being a sentient being so you don't really kind of I really kind of kept it a secret from my family. until they started needing help. And so I've been, you know, I've helped them a lot over the years with the remote work that I do. And now they're kind of like they're just fully on board mom's totally on board. And, you know, they they're kind of really into this, and this remote angelic, you know, frequencies that we're able to we have access to. Brandon Handley 20:21 So, I mean, it's cool, right? Like you said, even now, even though I think it's more accepted, and acceptable now, because science is coming into line with it more so now than in the past 20 years, I think it's been an accelerated rate. You know, keeping a secret, right? Because you're like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not stupid. I'm not gonna tell you, I don't need that shit. Right. Like, I just, I just want, it's great that I can do it. And And here, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna keep doing it. And and even to the degree where I imagine that the massage was almost a cover for the energy work that you were doing to heal people. Right. And you talked a little bit about, and I just brought it up to the the field. You mentioned, I mentioned the energy field. And you talked about the field that we're all in? Are you talking about a field of consciousness? Once you elaborate on what you mean by the field that we're all in a little bit for somebody who's not familiar? Dr. T 21:19 Well, it's just it's just the field of consciousness, you know, that can that can give the definition to everyone says, Well, we're all one. Well, how the hell are we all one? You're over there? You're in Philadelphia, I'm out here. What do you mean? Well, that's that idea that you think of somebody you love. And that message goes right through to them. And so And there's, there's a million examples of this in nature. And then we can start getting further into and breaking it down into different areas like Rupert Sheldrake 's work with regards to morphic fields, and how they give shape to structure. And, and so, you know, consciousness is just how, how I believe we are able to access it to get information from someone, and then be able to use intention, because intention is what drives consciousness. You know, if we're just floating on the sea, we don't have a carrot, we have no intention or mind at all work, that's kind of what we're doing. We're just kind of drifting around. With what I'm teaching, what I'm doing is I'm using focused, focused intent to drive a change through information given via consciousness. So so if we are all one, it must mean that everything within this field, we must be able to have access to in some manner. So that's something else that I'm teaching is how to access that field, ask to ask it, hey, what's going on? Brandon, he's calling me with, you know, he's got a floater in one of his eyes, what the hell's going on in there. And so we're able to access that field for that information. And once we have that, then we can use various techniques on primarily teaching how to direct angels to make changes in every system of the body, circulatory, nervous system, immune system, endocrine system on and so that's a whole, you know, that's like a not that's a field within a field. People like our angels part of consciousness. Well, heck, I don't know. I don't think they are. That's why it That's why I teach that, that they're there. You know, you know, that could be a lower realm, I don't know, could be a higher realm. I don't know. They just have their own realm. I don't, I have no idea. But what works is what I'm teaching and what I'm teaching is how to how to use have a dial. It's a biofeedback mechanism that we can use to access consciousness, to ask questions about what's going on within some within something in consciousness. So does that mean our plants and our plants allow our plants part of consciousness? Of course they are. So we can fix a tree, we can fix a field, we can have an effect on, you know, on plants, plants, animals, absolutely any animal anywhere. I just ran into a little baby rabbit, bunny rabbit walking through a field a couple days ago, and I needed help. How do I know I ask, I ask if it needs help. And I'm able to access this field of consciousness that we're all in and then use intention to direct angels to do the healing intention. You know, intention is what drives is what drives the the field of consciousness. And as we hone that skill, it's I believe it's a part of your brain that can be honed and it can be amplified. And it can become instantaneously really powerful, especially with especially if you have the right training. It took me a long time to figure this out how I could how I could pass this on. And I think I've come up with a way that is just it. So far, it's just been absolutely mind blowing. I'm getting emails every day from people who have taken my class, they're doing things that this just absolutely unbelievable. And it's really kind of fun teaching it because now they're not my clients anymore, I have room for new people. Brandon Handley 25:16 How much of what you are doing, what you say, requires faith and belief? Dr. T 25:32 Well, I believe a lot of it. And that's one of the things I teach, one of my models in my class is seeing is believing. And when you see it, you believe it. And when you believe it, your faith can come up. And so we're doing stuff we're making sure I'm making, I'm making sure that first day people are seeing things, because well, a lot of these people have seen have been to different doctors, and I've seen a lot of them, you know, three quarters of the class that none of those people have ever seen me have never been my clients, but they've seen other people. And so we've seen enough, and they're really probably most of them signed up, signed up out of curiosity. So I think curiosity is a really big part of what I'm teaching also. Because if you're curious, you're open. If you're not open, if you already know at all, if you already, you know, this is this is how it's done, then you're just not going to do well with what I teach, you have to be curious, because curiosity allows you to come from a neutral point, a neutral standpoint, because if you're curious, you don't know. And so you're able to ask a better question. And you're able to have a better opportunity for this instantaneous healing. And, you know, seeing is believing. And as you as as you, you do it once, all of a sudden, you're just, I mean, it's amazing that this last class was amazing. Granted, because I think it was maybe the third hour, I go through all the mechanics, I go through all the all the applied quantum mechanics of how this works and how consciousness works. And really, I really break it down into all these really cool little examples of problems. This is how that's done. That's how it's done. And here's what how we make these changes. And, and I'll say, Okay, anybody have something they've had for a long time? It's fine. If Samantha had bad ankle, you know, oh, yeah, hand goes up bad ankle 35 years, the twisted high school football. It's never been the same. Okay, Susie, what would you do what I just taught you to that ankle across the other side of the room over there? So as soon as he goes, Oh, just just do what I just showed you. As soon as he does what I just showed her? And I said, Okay, would you stand up, she stands up, and the guy stands up, and he says, Oh, my God, it's 100%. Gone. And everyone says really? They couldn't even believe it. So would you jump up and down for me, please, jumping up and down, wiggling all this weight on that ankle hopping around the room like a bunny rabbit? And I said, No. Anybody else not see this? Did you? Do we pay you to do this? This this acting? No, it's not. So that's how it starts, you know, this, this? And I don't blame, you know, it's just funny. It's like, really, that that's what what just happened there. And, you know, and so we've had, we've had, we've had so many examples of this. We had a woman whose arm was completely dislocated out of the socket moves around a forward arm fall out of the socket. Now I know. Any Western medicine doctor, any most chiropractors, most acupuncturist who were watching if any of these people watched physical therapist would say that's impossible. Well, it's not we all saw it, we all watched it, she reached her own auto, her left, her shoulder would come out of the socket and drop down to here. Alright, so she will forward or to the side down here, raise it up overhead, the whole thing would plop out and he was hanging down below here. And, and, you know, I was just like, Okay, so we're going, you know, we're gonna fix that here. And, you know, the mouse just hit the table. I mean, yes, impossible. That's impossible. That's okay. It's impossible. 120 people are sitting here thinking it's impossible. And it was impossible effects with 20 people sitting there thinking it was impossible. So once we got that out of their minds, we treated her and it's probably the only treatment I did the entire weekend. 100% resolved and probably 90% of was emotional. Brandon Handley 29:31 On her end, and I think I think I think it's really cool, too, that you bring up a really good point, I guess, you know, if you're if you're in a room, and this is just me speculating and thinking about the situation. If you're in a room full of 20 people who all don't believe it and who all don't see it, there's going to be an impedance. Right to to to healing, because I think that was going to be around my other other question. Do you find it Think about the whole idea of the placebo effect, right? And the placebo effect is anything that's effective that, you know, above, you know, 50% or whatever, that, you know. But I always wonder I'm like, nobody's ever talking about like, the no SIBO, right? Like, you know, what about the people that just simply don't believe they can be cured? Right? Are those people standing in the way of their cure? Right? So, you know, so what you're sitting in a room full of is the know, SIBO? Right, you know that there's people like throwing up like this energetic wall, or like massive interference to energy being able to be delivered? Am I on the right path? Or, you know, what are your thoughts there? Dr. T 30:43 Oh, absolutely. You're on the right path. And, you know, so many times those No, CBOs are proven wrong, and I never mind never bothers me to do that. And that kind of goes back to what we talked about when we first got on here is that, you know, those who, whatever the thing is those who say it can't be done, she stopped interrupting the person doing it. Brandon Handley 31:04 Fair enough. I mean, so I mean, so are you saying then to like that, I guess your willpower strength and belief in what you're doing is more powerful than their disbelief? Dr. T 31:17 Yes, but powerful is, uh, you know, it's a loaded word, I would say, my mind, the frequency that we're able to raise is more more in resonance with their disbelief, you know, so, so, so the disbelief is usually from the conscious mind, you know, so ah, you know, this ground is solid is stone, it's not moving around? Well, we know it is. And, and so I think a lot of that a lot of that no sequel is impossible have that happen. A lot of that's from the conscious mind. And a lot of the work that we do is subconscious is underneath that low, you know, that layer of resistance, and you you get it as you and how do we affect the subconscious mind, that's intention. And if you present something to the subconscious mind to consider, that may be a better operating system than it's experiencing? I don't care how much disbelief you have. It goes right through and it works. Yeah, and it changes. And then you have a client for life. Sure. Because they're coming in thinking, There's no way anybody can help me, they have been everywhere. And, you know, it's always nice to have the people that come from somebody that had a, you know, a really amazing experience, because they're already on board. And when they're on board, they're accessing me, you know, they're accessing my field, they're accessing the field of everybody, I've been able to help. And they come in ready, you know, they're ready for it. So that's obviously what you prefer. And then you know, the placebo effect is greatly under utilized. It's, you know, we, we could talk all night long about, you know, the double gold standard for studies. Well, we, we know that the act of observation changes the outcome of an experiment, that's Heisenberg's principle, I'm sure you're well aware of that. So that means that these people who are doing who are studying everything, everything from child seat safety to the newest heart drug, are all influencing the very thing they're studying, they should have to have blindfolds on not be paid to lock in Faraday cages, and have the experiments go without them being able to see it or even know about it now. So so that that's, you know, that's kind of where we're at with some of this stuff, Brandon Handley 33:35 certainly hard to get an objective outcome, when you're being paid to run the study by the person who, you know, is going to benefit from whatever that outcome is directed towards them talking big pharma here, but you know, you know, what are you going to do just happens to be the world that we're in right now. And to me, you know, that just makes kind of the world that you and I inhabit, kind of that much more beautiful, right? Like just kind of breaking through the veil and be like, Oh, shit, it's been a lot of bullshit. I'm not here, I'm not here to do really, that I'm here to live my life and just realize how it can be lived. Right? And share that with anybody else that I think similar to what you're doing or like, here's, here's some stuff I've come across. You don't have to believe it, in order to receive it as it were. And I'll show you that and you can walk away thinking whatever you want type of thing. So you I love the idea of the focus intent to drive change to information. I love the idea of the biofeedback mechanism again, in reading like, I guess in this in this book, I wish I had it here. So upstairs, but in working with this energetic field, just literally a question for me. When you're working with this field, and you're working with the energetic field, like like I said, we kind of know we have an idea that's about six foot like around like that tour route. We're oil field right around the body. Are you is the biofeedback mechanism you're getting? Are you able to feel that and sense it as like kind of like blockages or just disturbances and energy around a person? Or what's your What do you mean by biofeedback mechanism? Dr. T 35:16 How do you Well, it's a test. So there's a number of ways you can use your hands to or different muscles in your body to to test. And so we, what I'm, what I'm teaching is how to use this, this powerful feedback mechanism there's there's a million of them out there it's everything from muscle testing to know guys with the rods looking for the waterhole, there's a lot of these are out there, I just I'm good at finding a lot of things and making them really simple. And I've just discovered that I'm a really good teacher, I know how to teach it. And so once you learn how to get in and ask simple, simple questions, yes or no questions, we have menus that you follow down to figure out what's going on in the body. So say you come in with leg pain? Well, is it a physical? Is it? Is it in the physical realm? Is it emotional issue or is a spiritual issue? And so then we just start chunking down those different? Once we get into one of those regions, we just chunk it down to find out, you know, what, what's the highest priority? What's going to have the biggest effect? Because what are we using the mechanism for? So you're talking about the biofield. The biofield is physical, that's a field you put out by your nervous system, your heart puts it out, your nervous system puts it out. But what does that what does that connected to? That's connected to consciousness? And that's what we're going after. We're going after we are accessing consciousness using a biofeedback mechanism to dissertation from consciousness, what the hell is going on? And Brandon, why is his leg hurt? And in you know, so many times they Oh, my leg hurt? Well, I did this, you know, I, you know, I stepped off, I took a wrong step off off a ladder, and I landed, what's your appears to be something physical, but it may not be. And and so we so we come from a place of curiosity, a place of neutrality, because you making taking that step you could have your mind could have been drifting into a moment of fear that you had fallen off a high place sometime. Yeah, the physical impact hurt the leg, he probably tore, some ligaments probably did some of that. But consciousness will lead us to the priority, which was the emotional effect. And then we will work. Once we're done with that we'll work back towards the things to fix the physical aspect. So we're talking about two different things, we're talking about the bio field, which is real. And we do get inside that bio field and do some work in there. And in my class are some things that you can do within that field, that are really fascinating, really, amazingly powerful. Again, I've just gotten rid of all the junk that I've studied, I've studied, I could walk around this house and show you stacks of books. So there's a room full of books and so many things I've studied. But it just doesn't, it doesn't deliver what I feel like we the this, this precipice we're on with this work is, it really truly is mind blowing. If we don't have if we don't have a miracle a day, I'm pretty shocked. And if we don't have four or five a day, I'm like, Oh, come on. Now. Let's do that. Got it. We got to find some new people or I'm gonna need some help. Brandon Handley 38:31 Right. I guess I guess, um, sounds to me like and, you know, could be from anywhere a little bit of Hawkins work like David Hawkins with like, kind of doing doing some of that, but I'm sure expanded and then refined to your own practice. So yeah, I Dr. T 38:46 love David David. Fantastic, great spiritual teacher, fantastic spiritual teacher, I am not a spiritual teacher. I am I can address a number of spiritual issues. Ya know, his and his work is, you know, I mean, it's in them that, you know, it's right up right up. My alley. Power versus force, right. Yeah. What, what book really got me going into that some of these things and, and, you know, he's a great spiritual teacher. But he was not doing the kind of stuff we're doing. We're using this stuff clinically. So no, Brandon Handley 39:19 I mean, I guess a little bit of the muscle testing right Dr. T 39:21 was Yeah, and we don't do any of that. Okay. I think I'm onto something way more powerful. It's different. Yeah. Different, different. Just different. You know, my casting has, uh, you know, has there's a lot of inherent flaws and muscle testing, the show people teaching it aren't even aware of Sure. And so, you know, yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious. All right. It helps us doing this. Why is that not doing that? I've always been curious. I've got myself in trouble. And, you know, I'm on my eighth life. I got to be careful. Brandon Handley 39:47 For sure. Yeah, I love I love the idea, though, that you're you're you're you're going in there and you're using your biofeedback mechanism and you've got like a kind of a checklist where you you know, Hey, is it Is it physical? Is it you know, is it spiritual? Could be? And maybe and then like, is this mental, emotional, and that's where like you're getting your your strongest pushback. And then and then you're saying, hey, the priority here is in this space. And now, and now, you know, what you found for yourself is that you're now teaching this, you want to talk a little bit about what these classes look like, and the type of people that are joining your work. Yeah, Dr. T 40:25 everybody, it's, it's everyone joining, we had this last class. So we had, we had a 45 year old chiropractor. He's going to be the only class he's ever taken. He's do I've done a testimonial for I'm very proud of, he would, he wouldn't leave me alone, I kind of had to ditch him. I'm kidding, Greg, if you heard this ever, he, you know, I can only handle so much praise. But you know, he really just said, he just gave me the highest compliments. It was such an honor to have him there. And we had a what else we had, we had a physical therapist, we had a medical doctor, we had a dancer, we had massage therapists, we had, you know, a CEO of a very large international corporation, secretaries, we had everybody all walks of life did the training, and everybody left being able to do this. So I'm really, I'm really humbled by what we've put together. You know, 20 years ago, when I first met that doctor, who was there, we were we were having a drink after a seminar. And he was at, and we did some work on each other. We did some stuff on some people, some other peers who were there. So when are you going to teach us what? Well, you know, all, you know, all of this stuff on this? Yeah. But you just you just know how to show it to me in a way that I understand what the hell are you going to teach this? And so for 20 years, every time I see him, he's like, What are you gonna teach? When are you going to teach this? So I finally decided about five years ago to start writing it down. And over the course of five years, it just started, it just started really being revealed. And I thought that was that was, you know, that was an intention, you know, it was my intention was, hey, it's time I'm not young, anything, I'm not a young whippersnapper anymore. And, and so took me about five years to have it to a place where I felt okay, I can pass this on now. And do it in a way that I'm comfortable with, because I am, I do expect everybody to have good results with this and understand it, you know, a lot of the seminars that you would go to have gone to over the years, you know, you get back to the office, just like what the heck, I'm completely lost, I have no idea how to even start to implement this. Where's A, B, C, and D, I need something simple. Now I'm a doctor, but I'm not that smart. So, so the class I pulled all of this knowledge. And, you know, I've modified or modulate all of it in different manners. And then I've plugged in my own observations. And these these observations, once I set that intention to have this be able to form this class, we get these insights. And all these, these are angels, you know, they they whisper in your ear, they they go, Hey, did you check this? Did you look at that? And then I would and then when I start asking questions every now and then I just get a little tiny, little tiny thought. And that would be the answer to my question to my inquiry. And once I had enough of those, what you know, one of them is this biofeedback mechanism. Another one is how to be more powerful. And in asking the angels to do something, and and you start having these, once you start, once you start seeing, once you start seeing it, you start believing it, and pretty soon, pretty soon I had a whole stack, we have a very large manual that we go through, I've actually have to take a whole bunch out because it's it just takes too long to teach it all. So I'm going to have to do a masterclass. But but not until I have enough people trained in doing this first portion. Because the results you have with just those are absolutely, absolutely mind blowing. I mean, I could talk all night long about what the graduates already doing. They're just having tremendous results with animals with each other, got an email from a mother whose son I've worked on for at least two years, all his stuff is gone. She took it home, fix him herself. And, you know, God bless her. I you know, that's, that's what I did this class for. You know, you can't fix everyone sometimes, you know, I might be, you know, console, he's the best at this right? And I can teach it to you, and you might be more resonance with that person and be better at it right off, because, you know, who knows how many angels there are right there. There are some people out there talking, you know, putting numbers on them and who gets to use them and this and that. That's all baloney. I think they're unlimited. And I think more some will listen to you more than they will meet. And that's how it's been. That's my that's clinically what I'm seeing with my graduates. So the class is, was three days long. It's It's full is mind blowing. Every single person in there is doing it before they leave, I won't let anybody out if they're not doing it. And we're just doing some really cool stuff. You know, I just think we're doing really cool things. We're doing some group healings, we're finding that five people focusing is more powerful than 120. People focusing is more powerful than five. So we're finding it and we're able to, we're just, we're just really setting this thing up where it's absolutely fun, and absolutely amazing. And I'm all about the fun and amazing part. You know, if you saw my model somewhere, I'm done when there is no fun. And that's, that's for sure. i That's me. I don't I don't want to be here. If it's not fun anymore. Brandon Handley 45:51 I get that for sure. For sure. When you're talking about, I guess, connecting with these angels, and, you know, being able to receive messages, would you liken that to the Akashic field? Or would you say something different? Dr. T 46:05 I think I, you know, I, you know, I don't know, obviously, if you're, you're talking to a farmer. Brandon Handley 46:12 I mean, just just top of mind, right? Well, I Dr. T 46:14 Well, I think what's happening with it with people, because, you know, I've done some of the Akashic record stuff, I've done some of the studies with that. And, you know, I never, ever found it to be powerful enough for me, and what I believe is happening, I think you're accessing consciousness. And I think that it's legitimate. It's one of the things that I'm teaching in the in the classes clairaudience, which is similar to allow the Akashic Record readings. But we're able to change these, you know, we're able to use this knowledge with these tools that I've put together to make unbelievable healthy changes in the body, we're fixing stuff is just unfixable. And so, you know, some of the people doing those kinds of readings, they're, they're hearing the messages, and many times they're able to pass them on. But Gosh, darn it, don't tell me this comes from a past life, and you can't help me with it. I mean, I hear this every single day, I'm in the office, just about I heard it this morning, you know, all those fibroids are from a past life, you know, it's like, okay, fine, did she fix them for you? Or did the person fix them for you, help you with them tell you some way to get rid of them? Right. And the funny thing was, I was actually I was actually working on past life frequencies and this woman when she said that to me. So that's also consciousness, you know, it's also us connecting and her, you know, talent, you know, me saying, you know, she's reading, she's kind of reading my mind, you know? So, you know, so in the Claire audiences, know that that occurs when you're working with somebody, you know, we're entangling with them. That's whether you're sitting in front of me, or whether you're on the other side of the planet right now. We're entangled, and you're borrowing too much information, you have to send me a check. Got a smile. Brandon Handley 48:07 On his stuff, so do I mean, I love it. Right. Like I just, you know, I was just curious whether or not you would like it, you know, that, you know, listening and tuning into angels see classic field? I don't know, right. I don't have that experience. Neither either way, but I'm always curious what your interpretation is your look, you're using the energy, it's working. I don't have too many other questions at the end of the day, right? Like, that's me, right? What I you obviously love to learn how to do it too. Sure. But in the end of the day, if you always love the Wayne Dyer, you know, audio, that where he talks about, he's got hemorrhoids, and somebody comes up, and there's a crystal chair the points over to the crystal chair. And he says that, that chairs gonna, you know, clear your hemorrhoids. I'm gonna go sit on that chair. Right. Like, I mean, that's just that's to sit. Dr. T 49:00 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Brandon Handley 49:01 So the work that you're doing, if it's working, it's working on humans is working on people working on plants, and working on pets. I think that I think that the work that you're doing super awesome. I love that you're teaching it. Is there anything else you would want to touch on in this space? At this moment? We got a little bit a couple more minutes. And I didn't know whether or not like there's anything that we hadn't touched on just said that you might want to? Dr. T 49:24 Well, I would just say quickly about what you just talked about with the Akashic records that that I'm sure that you that if you haven't had that experience, yet, at some moment in time, you will, and you just haven't been taught how to recognize it. And it could just be something as simple thought that that's a weird thought. And that will open up that access for you more more so as you're just you know, continue doing what you're doing because you're not going to be able to help it because you're you're the spiritual don't master. And so, you know, and when it first happens, you'll you'll be you'll deny it and you'll Your contract your mind will be like, Ah, I don't think that was much and, and then you'll find out that you didn't pay attention to it and you should have you can maybe 40 had that happen, I don't know. But anyhow, pay attention for that, because I think it's going to start happening if it hasn't. The only other thing I'd like to touch on is that is I would like to mention our website is a human engineer, an engineer, calm, it has all the bells and whistles, all the stuff we have, this is why I'm out here doing this, I always I just kind of figured I would drift off into the sunset doing, you know, my stuff, one on ones, and my clients are the ones who put me up to this, Sharon's out there and she's ever hears this, she's the one who for four or five, six years will come in once a month and say, We got to find a bigger platform, you got to help more people, you got to teach this stuff. And so what we've done is we put together these programs, and so it's one of them is got your back. And so if you have any kind of pain in your back your body, I don't care if it's to top your head, back, your heels, your back your legs anywhere you get on and we do one session a week, since an hour long session for four weeks. And so and it's with 50, could be with five, it could be with 100 other people, it doesn't matter. But so we have that program, we have crazy unknown shift. We've got an emotional one coming up. I think we have migraines coming up. We've got just different these different programs. About six years ago, we did some group healings first a very short period of time. And the results were magnificently unbelievable. The hard part was we didn't have the backbone to do it. I didn't have a team of people to answer the emails to get back to run it and do all that stuff. And so I just gave up on it. Well, Sharon wouldn't stop on me. And she introduced me to Jamie, who had set all this stuff up and put this in motion. So we're doing these programs now. And if you're having difficulty, and no one's been able to help you crazy unknown shift is probably what you got. And the programs are set up so that if you don't like it, you get your money back. And there's no doctor doing any of that. I think all the money I spent over the years of my time trial and error, all the studies I've done, I'm sure I'm over a million dollars into it, and never wants to get a dime back. So if after the first hour, you're like, Yeah, nothing happened. I don't want to do this, we're sending your money back. So that's just unheard of in this field. Dad, I'm really, really proud of that. And then Brandon Handley 52:32 the we my wife and I went out to eat dinner probably a couple weeks ago, and there was a waitress in there who had been told she was basically she was gonna die, right? bed rest for four years. And she said pretty much the same thing. Like she was obviously she was set up and walk in and she was cured by a doctor. But she said that pretty much the same thing. Like how many how many places do you go to where you pay for a service that if it doesn't work, you don't get your money back? Right where like you go to like all these different doctors like she had and like you're talking about so I think it's really great that you're offering a service that if if somebody is not satisfied with it and doesn't see the results that you're offering their money back and I think that that's that's really cool and it's definitely not something you see any other doctor practicing. So love to hear that. Dr. T, I have like one section here, right? I love to I love to play that this is almost like a spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody is tuning in to looking for like the next spiritual date. Dr. T, you could be got a question to ask and depending on how long we go with the questions, you ready? Sure. All right. Dear, spiritual Bachelor Number one, what is the greatest quality humans possess? Dr. T 54:00 Love being able to love, give love, receive love, experience, the feeling of love. That's the greatest quality we have without question. Love is the most important thing in our existence. Just being being alive. Hopefully, hopefully, we come in with love come in here because of love and are able to share love and leave in a loving way. That would be I think that's the most incredible thing we possess for sure. Brandon Handley 54:29 One of the things that I find in in the spiritual space is a I guess a challenge for me is men, right like just going through and still maintaining their manhood as it were right. And so I always say that because yeah, look, I agree like love is just powerful thing, right? That once harnessed is like wirelss right and you sit in that space and you just know that that's what you're sitting in. And that's what you're being. How have you found it? To, as a male, right to experience, love and maintain your manhood, I guess for lack of better terminology. I think you understand what I'm saying. Dr. T 55:17 Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm young, I'm a heathen. So I'm a man's man. You know. So, you know it, you know, there's it isn't easy, I don't think it's easy. For men. You know, it really is about opening your heart, in our hearts are tend to have been, you know, men are more men are more difficult to heal than women are, help heal. And it's kind of a strange dichotomy, because men will just trudge through life and just deal with all their stuff and not not ever asked for help. And, and women, a lot of them are struggling and they're, you know, they're lovers they're want, they're just that love comes easier to women. So, as men, we need to work on it, we need to, you know, I like I like to have love around me things that say love things that know love and a wall love, love and a candle. And, and really try to tap into that frequency of love and, and see the sunset, do things that that can help instill that feeling of love within you. You know, start sunsets, see the ocean, see the mountains, go for hikes, see nature. And so you know, I think it's a it's, you know, it's not it's not easy, especially younger men. You know, as I've gotten older, it's easier, I think, to experience that and feel that. And certainly with the work I do, I'm forced to and and it's made it easier for me. And I think we were talking to you, we mentioned earlier about, you know, having to hide and well, I'm old enough now I don't have to hide anymore. I have no problem telling someone I love them. And and you know, and I don't need to hear I love you back. It's that, you know, I think with with time and experience that us men can become great lovers and can hold that space for for you know, for the feminine. Brandon Handley 57:22 I appreciate that. Like I said that said I think that's a challenge for for men, especially right in the spiritual space or in this space sometimes to over rotate and how do you do it and and still keep your sense of your your sense of being right. So, Dr. T, thank you so much for being on today. Really appreciate the work that you're doing nothing but it's awesome. Love that you're out there. You're teaching as well. The website is human engineer.com. And when when do you sign up for the like your next round of students? Dr. T 57:57 Oh, we're doing in March, I think I think it's the 10th 11th or Yeah, somewhere in March. I'm not sure if the dates are solidified yet, but it's all on their website somewhere thing. I'm not gonna look at that stuff. I just I just go there and deliver. Brandon Handley 58:11 Dr. T. Thank you so much for being on today. Dr. T 58:13 Thank you so much, man and you have a great night. Thank you. I Unknown Speaker 58:17 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual co you can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email through Brandon at spiritual Co Co. 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Sylvain De Vreese and is a video artist, storyteller, and independent game developer. He has created an exploration game that invites you to a hypnotic journey around the world. In search of meaning, discover the universal quest of our humanity. A journey around the world Immersive atmospheres Meaningful messages Realistic visuals New genre Soft puzzle games Replayable experience Secrets doors to discover A potential infinite creation Check out his website as well as this Kickstarter to help him continue development of this amazing project! Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/maeone/ona/description Website: https://www.whatdoyousee.net/ Transcript below is machine generated: Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you, this world the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed now moving forward? We don't have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:41 Hey there spiritual joke. We are on here today with Sylvain the Furies he is a video artists storyteller and independent game developer. He connected with me through our spiritual spiritual dope feedback form, you know, kind of whatever is spiritual dope. And Sylvain is created a game called onah, which is kind of like this experiential, mystical journey to I'll just call it kind of like self discovery. I'm not 100% sure how you're trying to describe the game. So we, but it looks pretty cool. It's like one of a kind. And he's currently got a Kickstarter fund going. And that's just kind of how we contacted I figured it'd be great to have a conversation with them, understand the journey that he's had and introduce them to you and maybe hopefully, get you introduced to the game that he has created. Savannah. Thanks for hopping on. Unknown Speaker 1:37 Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Brandon Handley 1:39 Yeah. So I mean, I typically like to start these off with Sylvain is the idea that you and I are doing. We are we're spiritual beings, right, and that the universe speaks through us. And typically the universe speaks through us and to somebody who's listening in to the podcast, I know that they're listening today to check out your game. And kind of the story behind that. Also. Maybe, maybe there's somebody else out there that's been thinking about trying to do something similar, right, lead with spirituality and do what do it do with something meaningful for them? And they, they, they're gonna get a message from you. And it can only be delivered today to them through this podcast. What is that message today? So Unknown Speaker 2:32 a message that could deliver? I mean, I don't know yet. But I'm sure the words which came to the month when we are speaking now, like sometimes we don't plan what we say. But suddenly we say something meaningful that people receive and it can have an impact. Brandon Handley 2:52 For sure, sure. Absolutely. That's definitely what's gonna happen in this conversation. So let's, let's talk about Spain, give us a little background into this game that you're creating called arena. What? What inspired you as far as I can tell, to take this journey, it's been a it's been a 1010 year journey. So let's, let's start somewhere that got you to travel the world to begin to create this game. Unknown Speaker 3:20 Yeah, actually, it's not a 10 years, your journey is more 15 years journey. The thing is, like this ID popped up in my mind, like when I was a teenager, and I remember I was in a classroom. And earlier, I get decided this inspiration to create a game that could awaken the world. And that was the focus really, just this was a long time ago. So this kind of concept didn't exist that much at the time, and I felt Wow, this could walk, you know, I felt, of course, the world. Or civilization could be amazing. But a lot of things are lacking. And the sense of contemplation was something also really missing in most of the people. So somehow, people didn't perceive the beauty around, you know, didn't focus on the things that everyone was in their own mind and perceiving the things around and I kind of wanted to share that. So yeah, this was the starting point of creating a game that could focus in this on this perception of reality. So I started to write my notebooks, you know, through years. And then I was working as a graphic designer. And I quit my job to travel to investigate about all the spiritual contents around the world and finally did make me understood that the spiritual paths that have been developed since 1000s of years, reach this point of contemplation in this meditative state of mind that we could then be open and perceive things as they are, and not as we conceive them, but as our mind build them. But how are we really perceive them on the present moment? And is what I wanted to create with honor. And is what I wanted to inspire. So usually people who go to the game, sometimes, of course, they reach this state of mind, and they feel touch and realign with themselves and they feel great. Brandon Handley 5:20 That's great that I guess I'd be curious to see if your, that just came to you, as a team. What was your background, I guess that made you so open and aware and eat to even consider an awakening process. Process, Unknown Speaker 5:39 nothing too much. Especially, I think I was just more quiet, I don't know. And, and, through kind of experience, I think I, I remember, the certain point was when I first start to see a tree, basically, you know, when sometimes you are a bit more receptive used to you look at a tree and you you see it, this was a starting point, because I really observe all the details of the leaves, the lights, the shadow, the the movement of everything in history. And then I put my eyes on all the people around I say, Oh, nobody seeds, we nobody seeds. And this was a starting point, like, yeah, there is something to express here. There is something because what I've perceived that I felt so great, so open, so intuitive, you know, and so there is something to express there. And that could potentially add the word to, to see better. Brandon Handley 6:34 So you're seeing all the beauty and everything that there was in the tree, and he just kind of noticed that not not too many people were really catching all the beauty that was around them and experiencing life as it was that that kind of summed up? Unknown Speaker 6:52 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, it's like when you go on holiday, and then you arrive near a beautiful landscape, some people will see it, they will really wow, see the sun the clouds and embrace the beauty of it, and some people are still looking them up and organizing the next day, you know that they're not really there, they're not really seeing, that's just this, this just this shift, you know, I think everyone of course, can really contemplate it's just, okay, a perception of, okay, we have it, we see it, you know, Brandon Handley 7:23 it's so true. Just like you're saying, a lot of times people get to get to the get to the destination, and already there, they're not, they're not experiencing the destination at all. They're already ready for the next thing. You're saying, Okay, we got here in our planning tomorrow, we don't even we don't, it's more about like the steps that they took, and everything else than it is about the place that they've gotten to not not let themselves experience that at all. So let's talk about this journey, then, as you popped on and started traveling to different spiritual destinations. Let's talk a little bit about where you went to and what you experienced there. Unknown Speaker 8:11 Okay, so as I told you, I was just basically working as a graphic designer was great, but I felt since the beginning that I needed to travel, actually, in order to complete this project. So yeah, I quit the job and I start first to go more as a tourist, you know, like, I was first in Japan because I was really attracted by this country. Then I switched to all the country like Cambodia to see angle, that's all the ruins, you know. And I was practicing this technique of stop motion, that are present in the game, you know, these pictures, I do one step one picture and I do 1000s and 1000s of pictures and you, you can enter in samples and really explore the urea as you are there, you know, and I was practicing there in Japan, Cambodia and things, but already the picture are great. And then they reach India. And India for me was a really shift a really mind blowing experience. Like, in the time finally, I was one year in India, going back, you know, and this really transformed me changed me. I almost lost myself because this culture this country is so then so intense that it's like a mind blow or Western world minds, you know, is is really different. So, and then I continued to do all the pictures, all the footage or around and slowly slowly finally, I collected a lot of different kind of pictures from all around. And in the same time, the concept of the game evolved, you know, so I had all my notebooks and three years of traveling I was creating this concept of owner Brandon Handley 9:54 what was it I guess in India that blew your mind so to speak, I guess I understand that. Yes, it's an intense culture. But sounds like something really transformed you and shifted you there. What would you say happen? Sylvain De Vreese 10:11 Yeah, nine things, of course. But you heard, of course, about the concept of synchronicity. So this coincidence weapon time, two times, you know, and it happened here, of course, all the time, like this magic of life that bring you the right circumstances, the right moments, you know, in India, for me, it was every five minutes, every five minutes, I had miracles. Like, he wasn't saying it was us so much, you know? And we some friends, were we were looking at each other, like, is it really possible? Like, is it really, you know, it was so intense, so much that things are open. And my theory about how it's possible is because in India, they believe, so everything have this open mind open frequencies to say, okay, everything is possible, my friend, and because everyone believes that things can happen, it can have happen, you know, and compared to all Western world, that people have more disclosing minds to reach for these kind of things, you know, it's not possible anything, so I believe that we can block this vibration to happen. And because, yeah, I think it's in the mind that everything can flow. And finally, is how you travel in the in this country, you you go with the flow. And if you believe your intuition, you go where you feel to, and you don't plan too much, somehow things happen. And, of course, our rich really symbolic in meaningful places during this journey, some holly montains, that many special things happen, these kind of things, you know, everyone in this country has a different kind of experience like this. And at the NFL, this is something this there is something and I believe this prove it can be can be seen again, in the in honor, you know, some people perceived again, and while they see all these pictures, and is it real, is it possible, but yes, when I saw what I experiment, what I felt, and it's kind of content in the game itself. Brandon Handley 12:15 That's fantastic. So I love two pieces about that. One is that sounds like you were able to capture some of that essence, and put that into the game, which is fantastic. You know, just for the audience, and I also also love the I get it, I get what you're saying, in terms of being open to those vibrations, if you're surrounded by other people who believe then then it's more than likely, it's more possible for the sake of people that are checking checking in. So what you what would be like one or two, what you would consider a miracle that you might be able to share. Unknown Speaker 13:01 Yeah, I could share. But of course, miracles are really personal, in a way of you explain them, they lose their impact and power, you know, is really a special thing I can I can give examples here and just for fun, but again, it's just I also ation, Brandon Handley 13:17 and I get it like, how often do we share, like what we would see as Americans somebody wants to somebody wants to explain it away, like, Oh, that was just coincidence, or Oh, that was just the same but like to us, right? We say Well, no, you understand, like, stand like this is this experience could only be a miracle could only be a miracle right to you. And I get that I get that so I understand. Unknown Speaker 13:43 And also the accumulation of all these things, you know, I can tell which one I could start with lightning let's say this like the for me the lightning the storm was kind of following me at some points. And I don't know why for which reason, but wherever I go in the country, I knew that in few days of massive storm will happen and lightning will be there and it happens and in a way in circumstances that you suddenly you know, you look suddenly at the same they're lightning appears just at this right moments, you know, and it's one time and several times and then what's this and then it's have a huge impact and and meaning and this is one thing okay, I could explain more details against the personal and other things. And this is even more obvious that was in lead deck is really not India, kind of Himalaya with the Buddhist you know, the Lila was there. And all the monks were doing a ceremony in the mountains. And they were singing old mantra and all this music and you know, really powerful vibration. People were shaking. Everyone was weird and shaking strong. You know, energy was really, really high. And it was blues sky with the sun in the middle. And suddenly during in the middle of the ceremony, like a circle of rainbow appears all around the sun during the ceremony, and so you everyone was shaking in the probably was really intense. And the ceremony was important and ceremony. And the next day I remember, my energy was so strong, and I could do all my exercise like 2010 times more, you know, it was something like this. So miracle not, I don't know, but it's a tiny example of many things happen, I could have other examples like this, you know. And, yeah, this by accumulation made me think there is something we can open, there is vibration by we can, you know, like, enhance the energy and, and feel something almost magical. Brandon Handley 15:50 You know, just, I think that, I think being able to kind of have that experience of the storm, following you. I've been in similar experiences myself, is pretty, pretty cool, right? Just knowing that the storm is there, and where it's gonna be, and it's part of part of your life. And then this other experience of kind of joining with all the monks and lamas, and then having having that circular rainbow, but the power of the collective, right, the vibration kind of running through your body is also you know, the vibration that's being created by all those around you. And being open to it. You can feel the energy of a surge. This is what it's kind of like when humanity comes together for a singular purpose. for the betterment of good, you have a raised vibration yourself, and an energetic level that it's just through the roof, right? There's this kind of what I'm hearing, and that's miraculous to experiences. One reason is because we rarely get to experience that, but then to experience it, knowing that that's kind of an I defer to you. But that's that's what experience, that's what humanity is about. It's coming together and pooling our energy for some of these amazing singular experiences, but it could happen all the time if we if we love it, right. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 17:25 And it's through here. Sometimes we know we do kind of circle and little ritual, and we seem together. And already the the energy is different. Now we feel more connected. And wow, it's the air. The light can difference because the energy field, I don't know, I have no theory exactly. I don't know, actually, what's happening now I'm not. But obviously, we feel different than them more connected. And in this stage, miracles could happen, little things, that okay, we have the right things at the right moment. And because all together, we increase the energy in a circle, you know, yeah, no attention. And he is true that, unfortunately, we are seen in civilization, we are still in the age that it doesn't happen that much. Because the logic of our system for how we organize our lifestyle is a bit more individual. So we go in the streets. And you know, we are more in our minds. Sure, we are not connecting with everyone all around. But there is something to do there. And I don't know how to organize this in a massive scale in our society. But it could be interesting and amazing to reach that point. Because I don't know what could happen, but probably crazy, beautiful things. Brandon Handley 18:36 For sure, for sure. For sure. I think there's definitely potential, there's definitely I love that you hit the we work from a logical mind or imaging from a linear mind. And I think that, as you experienced in India, and as you've experienced your, your, your journey, we know that this isn't linear, right? But when we tell a story, we have to tell it in a linear way that so that the mind can follow a timeline, right? So the mind can kind of put it all together. But in reality, it happens in from all around, right? There's no There's no absolute linearity to it, just how to tell the story so that somebody can follow it. Unknown Speaker 19:20 Yeah, exactly. Actually, I had a talk with a friend recently. And the conclusion was these like in India, not only in India, but he was really present there for me. They perceive things differently. And that's the thing is like, as as Westerners we have been educated in one way or mine have been a bit rigid in one way. We are efficient on many things. So we don't deny this you know, we are efficient, some such things is great. But for this perception of things, it seems that they perceive things differently. And it's true when we go there, the observers as empty on that aspect. They see that we are no logic mind. Calculating loads and organizing things, but the perception is quite different on that aspects if if I make myself understand what Brandon Handley 20:11 percent I get, I get that so. So you know, you can't you put all this together and weakening game. Let's talk a little bit about what that experience might be like, for somebody that's out there. Like I said, just kind of trying to figure that out what, what is an awakening game? And what does the name owner mean? Me? Unknown Speaker 20:38 Nah, I mean, first of all one. So the first one also from his first real strong project was one unity is also referred actually to Noah's Ark, you know, this myths of Noah's Ark who go transmitted here the life form, but Noah's Ark, because the knowledge all this content could be transmitted to further generations. That was kind of the intention. And Noah, I mean, it's also kind of the name of my cat because my cat scan is named Noah. And it's just I took this name I think it's okay. And so what was your other question is like home yeah, receive it? Brandon Handley 21:33 Yeah. How would you know play in the awakening game before? How would you describe that to somebody that isn't even on the spiritual path the spiritual path Unknown Speaker 21:45 um, so Israel I observed reaction when I want to show the game to tiny exhibition there most of the people really well gets totally immersed in it and they feel after the experience they feel wow, something happened there. You know, I have most of it this I have some people who kind of cried it's for Israel but of course it's happened it's like they cried because they exactly so when they need it needed to see at that moment, you know, it kind of unlock something in them. And this affiliates assimilate a bit like this concept of tarot cards, you know, the game or now you can see whatever you you choose your path, so everyone will see different things. So sometimes it could happen that you receive exactly the content you need, because you click on the on the choice you need to receive you know. So it's moved something inside, and also it realigns your meditative state of mind. So people who go through it the feel aligned, we could even I could showcase this in the tiny party or something. And after that people are feeling Wow, they feel balanced, right and centered. And good, you know, and the first kind of reaction I had is really rare, but it's happened some people and I know that these people won't like it is rare, but they quit before the end of the game. They, they they cannot they don't want to you know, some people are resistant to this kind of vibration to it. Some people are you know it because it, it could move things. So, understand I agree, some people are not ready or I don't know the oils not on their pass. Maybe they don't need that at that moment, at that moment of their life. But definitely awakening game for me is moving something inside that realign us, you with yourself. You know. Brandon Handley 23:45 I love that description. That idea. And I think that that is the awakening. That is the wakening is awakening, to find out who you are. Right? Get get into contact with yourself. And I always used to make fun of course, you know, look, man, at one point made fun of people like What do you mean to go on a search for yourself? You're right there. Right. And the whole idea of the concept of finding out who you are, yeah, you're right. There, there are people that just aren't ready. They're in that phase of their life right now to to experience that or to be with it. And and that's okay. That's okay. I'm sure I'm sure. I'm sure you've heard the I guess the Buddha's line about the blood of a flower right you don't you know, you don't go to a bud but of a flower and squeeze its head to make it to make it bloom and blossom. He can't. Right. And I think that that's a similar situation here, right? You're putting you're putting someone into an accelerated growth state. And and it's awesome if that person's ready for it. But if it's not an efficient Is not it could actually could actually make it slow down for them. Right. And in either way I love I love the idea and the concept. Again looking looking for what's the side? So sorry, interrupt. Go ahead. Yeah, so half a house a couple of Yeah. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 25:18 no. So wanted to say that on a larger scale, I would like to make the project evolve and also expressed some topics that in my vision matters. So some topic who could show so the you know, the the confusion, we are confusing. So we express what's going on more and more in the world, not not concerning the current situation since two years actually even more even before that was intention, like show how, as human species, we are still weirdly divided and confused. And we don't know what's the purpose of things. I also want to express that. And also, I wanted to add something of what you say is like, finding ourselves to the game is like, it's not mental. So I don't give any clue about who we are. Actually, they I believe just that finding yourself go through. Yeah, empty mind. You know, this meditative presence. Okay, we just good. And here we can feel or self more than knowing or self. And that's what I try to reach. With with the experience. Yeah. Brandon Handley 26:31 Sounds like now's like getting getting you kind of out of your out of your mind and into your heart and into your heart. Unknown Speaker 26:39 Maybe Yeah, just hearts. Yeah, exactly. The heart Brandon Handley 26:43 of it. Would you say that this game would be able to help somebody to find their purpose. Unknown Speaker 26:51 Beats may happen, of course, but like a song, or a movie could have someone to film their purpose. So yeah, this game could as well definitely Brandon Handley 26:59 better. I love that. I love that this is an evolution, evolutionary project for you. So it's ongoing. It doesn't just stop is. And I think that the awakening process is like that, too. Right. The awakening process. I think a lot of people think that once you've awakened, or once you awakened that you're done, right, like, Oh, I've gotten to this place. No, you just started, right? Like this is this is kind of a new beginning. So and then I think that if I understand correctly, you're working with your brother on this project, right? As he's doing, he's doing the music. What's it like working with your brother on this project? Project? Unknown Speaker 27:42 Yeah, it's great. I mean, so he does all the sound design music and also we brainstorm at the end to make the product the best English finishing the best, you know, for the, for the details to have the best quality as possible. And that's great, because it seems that I can, I can claim that I could be really good for visuals and these things, you know, and he bring all the sound design in a perfect way. And of course, we exchange to have the best quality but it's enhanced, definitely the quality like it creates the experience even stronger. Like people say that the visuals are amazing, but the sound design is just incredible. And finally all together like crazy, strong, immersive experience. So that's the point Yeah, it was great to work with him really really nice because it's like it's not that we are the same mind but we understand what's needed to to be for this project you know Brandon Handley 28:49 that's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. So you've got only got about seven days left on your Kickstarter project right? Which is where people can go to find out more about this game they can get to download they get the little bit dig a little bit more of the backstory there. Where can they go? Go to find out more about this game? Unknown Speaker 29:13 And the moment Yeah, for seven days the Kickstarter page of course, for me is a priority obviously. And after that the website Official website is called What do you see dotnet Brandon Handley 29:24 What do you see that that? What are your plans I guess past you know, Kickstarter, what happens if you get to Kickstarter for the scammer for this game? Unknown Speaker 29:33 Okay, so I think I will try to go if it's possible, of course, in Mexico for the pyramids, things and then Egypt also in the same purpose, the ruins pyramids, the the beginning of civilizations and you know, meaningful visuals, then I think I will reach some cities. I'm here in Berlin activity at the moment and I also want to including on our Something more, a bit dark that it is something more about the confusion. And, you know, for now the experience is really magic and uplifting and wow, mystic and beautiful. I want to switch also to different aspects of things and show different vibes different atmosphere to how we feel, you know. And so I want to, to investigate and try a lot of things in that aspect. And I also want to create more visual painting, like interactive paintings, you know, kind of puzzle games, contemplative puzzle games and, and working on that, to create this game, like with a lot of different kinds of doors, we can open Brandon Handley 30:44 that, I think that's pretty cool. So you're looking to go to South America, Egypt and other spaces to continue to build on the map of experiences that you've already built on, say, India and Japan, and add those into the game making this kind of a global global experience. And then the idea of Yeah, look, I mean, there's lots of great things in spirituality. But there's also the dark darkness and the emotions that sometimes we neglect the are inherent to who we are not only as people, but as an overall global civilization. So it's really cool that you're going to begin to be working to, to incorporate that into into the rest of the game. So we Unknown Speaker 31:36 need to see though, yeah, yeah. Brandon Handley 31:39 So what else? Is there anything else? I guess I'm gonna make this kind of a short one, so that we can get this out of the people? Is there anything else I guess, about the game? Or what people are experiencing? Oh, that was one more question Was your family, you know, how's your family feel about this project, when you told them what you were going to do versus kind of where you are? Now love to hear what that is? Unknown Speaker 32:02 Good question. I mean, that's, that's strange. I they never understood. So I had to fight by myself all these years, they start to understand slowly, I guess, is just like this, you know, sometimes people have different mindset, it's how it's meant to be. And still love is there, you know, are good, but for the content itself is like, they finally kind of trust it. They trust me is fine. I had resources is fine, but never really get into it to understand until recently, actually. And I think they are happy that they see me progressing my quest, my dream and go for it after all these years and holding on, you know, and we'll see know how, how it goes? Yeah. Brandon Handley 32:53 Eggs, I think that's one of the things on the spiritual journey on the spiritual path, when when you kind of open yourself up to it and you start to go to do these things, you start to have the conversations with those people that are close to you. There may not be like a deep understanding, right? And there may be this, this this rush to kind of keep you safe. Well, I don't know. Maybe go back to me a graphic arts designer, at least that stable and you can make money there, right. Unknown Speaker 33:20 It's a different generation. And we are lucky no to have internet and to have things to open. We can travel, we can have these experiments. And this generation often is the same things. And the parents can have their mindsets. The lifestyle. I understand. I agree. I don't want to interfere. It's fine. Of course, we had conversation and things but it doesn't matter. I don't have to be right. You know, it's, it's just how it is. And if love is the it's fine, you know? Brandon Handley 33:53 Fantastic. So over on the Kickstarter, I'll put a link out there for that. And then if you go over to what to see. Net, that's one word we can find out about you got connections there. I asked for Facebook and all the social media platforms are so people will be able to connect with you there. Seven days left in the game. I'm feeling senses later. Hopefully you've gotten hopefully you've gotten all your funding, and hopefully you're able to continue to develop and release the game. Thanks for being on today. So Unknown Speaker 34:28 yeah, thanks. Thanks for Unknown Speaker 34:33 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. 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Amie Dean is a certified clinical trauma counselor and an Ascension Coach. She helps driven, empathic women struggling with self-criticism and not feeling good enough, heal their inner child wounds so they can live an authentic, spiritually awakened life- true to their souls. Connect with Amy over at https://www.one-awakening.com Transcript AI Generated: Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you, this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:41 Hey, there's spiritual dope. We are on here today with Amy Dean. She is a certified clinical trauma counselor and an ascension coach. She helps driven empathetic women struggling with self criticism and not feeling good enough to heal their inner child wounds so that they can live an authentic spiritually awakened life true to their souls. Two things here for you, Amy, first of all, thanks for having a short bio. Second, you know, happy to have you here. And I appreciate it. I know we try to connect you. You see you travel, kind of around a good bit last time you and I tried to connect, we weren't able to have a strong connection but happy to you know, reconnect. Right? Sometimes we set these, we set these up and we don't connect and then we never hear from each other again. So, so glad we're able to, to to to pick it back up. Thanks for being here today. Amie Dean 1:31 Yes, thank you. It really is truly a pleasure to be here. And thank you for being so flexible too. I know I do travel often and just did a four corners tour of the US over the past year and back where we started from. So now this is just the new beginning so to speak. Brandon Handley 1:49 Freight, and you're you're out in San Diego right now. Is Amie Dean 1:51 that right? I'm in San Diego. Yes. And this is home base. This is where you know, when I call home? Yeah. Brandon Handley 1:58 Yeah, fantastic. So I like to start this off with the whole idea that you and I are spirituals for universal energy, like we're the vessels where, you know, that energy is expressed. Right? And the idea is that you and I are going to have a conversation here today, you and I will, we'll have our dialogue and we'll try we'll figure it out. And then there's going to be somebody else who's listening today, that's going to pick something totally different out of what we talked about. And it's gonna be exactly what that person needs, maybe for their awakening, maybe to pick themselves off the ground through an awakening or you know, not not be so you know, not be so taken aback by their awakening, and what you know, just what is that message today that's coming through you for that person? Amie Dean 2:46 Yeah, I love how you put that, by the way to that it's, it's almost like this is the channel, right, and people are getting exactly what they need in the moment. So I would say the biggest message is that we all have an inner child, and this inner child within us, it's natural state is to be innocent and playful and loving, and completely in tune with the joy that we are naturally. But sometimes we have these wounds. And most people I would say have wounds, you know whether or not you've been through trauma, although of course trauma can make a huge impact on the you know, I would say the depth of wounds that an injured inner child part might carry. But with that being said, it's totally 100% healable to work through these wounds that the inner child carries. And often we don't necessarily see this as a stepping point on the spiritual awakening journey. Sometimes, you know, we might go to therapy, for example, and just work on our past or heal certain memories. But it really does keep us stuck. These wounds keep us stuck on the spiritual awakening path. So I'd love to impart some insights around that today and how to work through those wounds to heal them so we can awaken to our true nature as love and joy. Brandon Handley 3:57 Sure, sure. Would you would you say that these trauma wounds are often blocking us from our spiritual awakening. Amie Dean 4:09 Absolutely, yeah, I would say they are. And, you know, and also this is maybe a little bit, you know, often the left field a little bit, but I would say that when we even work to heal our trauma, this is on a conscious level, right? We're coming to it on a sense of, Oh, I know, I have this memory or I have this belief and it's keeping me stuck. And so we're coming to therapy, for example, or coaching or whoever, you know, we end up you know, moving through this kind of growth experience. But we don't always know exactly sometimes what is causing our triggers, you know, on a subconscious level. And so there can be some subconscious wounding, you know, I hear a lot from from people when they come to see me it's something like, you know, I've worked through this before, I don't know why, you know, I still have these triggers in my relationship, for example, or why I you know, still feel like, I'm just not happy, you know, in the way that I thought I could be after healing these wounds. And sometimes there's some subconscious factors there that could be keeping, you know, person from really knowing their wounds, and knowing exactly what that inner child might be going through within their within their heart. Brandon Handley 5:14 Right. Yeah, I mean, there's there's a lot there for sure. Just trying to understand. Even accessing that inner child can be a challenge, right? That admitting that there's an inner child there, and then I'm sure there's plenty people will be like, I'm not wounded. I'm fine. But I think that everybody's got a little bit of something. Right? Even if it's just a nice grape, right, address it? I think, and I don't know, would you call would you call doing this type of work similar to shadow work? Are they one of the same? Are they different yet? Amie Dean 5:47 Oh, no, that's a really great point, it is absolutely shadow work, I would say on the deepest level, can give you an example to I'm glad you brought up you know how to access the inner child or just, you know, the difficulty in accessing it sometimes. And I would say that it is a little bit more difficult on your own. But when you're working with someone directly, whether it's a friend or you know, a therapist or a coach, it can be really helpful to have somebody to see you right, And to see these different aspects of you showing up. But you know, for example, I, you know, I have clients, sometimes they'll come to our session, and they'll say, I have nothing to talk about today. And there's nothing going on, and I'm feeling pretty good, actually, everything's going fairly well, I mean, it's not great, but it's not bad. And then you know, we'll do a little bit of digging, and we'll start to, you know, go into meditation, meditation is a really big help in activating the inner child and getting to know her, or him or, you know, whichever, you know, also, the inner child can show up, as, you know, as an animal, sometimes, too, right? There's so many different ways that this inner child shows up within us. And so when we are looking at this inner child, sometimes, you know, it shows up out of nowhere, you know, in that moment in our work together, where that little, you know, little person inside says, I just need more love, or I'm not getting the kind of experience that I need right now. Or I need a break, or I'm tired of working so hard, or whatever that might be for that person. And typically, my client is taken back by it, I see the look of surprise on their face, their eyebrows are raised, and they're confused. Like, I didn't know, this was happening inside of me, I thought that everything was actually okay. And then tears, you know, sometimes will come out and they'll, you know, recognize that that's that little, you know, little self inside coming out and trying to trying to heal, trying to move through the wounding, just by being in contact with, you know, that person's higher self. And then that's a lot of the work that I do is helping people contact their higher self so they can connect with their inner child. Brandon Handley 7:42 Sure, no, I think that's pretty. One of the things that I noticed and doing some of this work, is exactly what you're saying, we were really good at lying to ourselves. I'm fine. I'm great. I'm doing I'm doing everything I need to be doing. And it's when it's when you have somebody else out there asking you that second question, it could be your spouse, you know, it could be anybody that's willing to kind of ask you the second questions. But typically, we're really good at lying to ourselves, and we feel like we're just fine. And it's not until somebody asks you what's beyond that question. Another thing that I found is that we've got a narrative that we don't realize that there are holes in, right, and we go and we share that narrative with, with a coach such as yourself, or somebody that, you know, that that we're working with. And that and those questions that there's that plank hole in the narrative, they get asked, and we're like, Oh, my God, I didn't even realize like, that was missing. I've been driving around with three wheels, right? Instead of four type of thing. So very cool. What What, um, you know, I'd love to talk about the journey to where you are today to the work that you're doing. So how did you find yourself in this line of work? Start wherever you want? Amie Dean 9:03 Yeah, what a great question. So I would say that I've always been drawn to, you know, I could even start really young, I was six years old, teaching my little sister to read. And I was thinking, I'm going to be a teacher someday. This is what I'm going to do. I just knew it and not in the way of course, that I am a teacher now. But as time went on, I realized I have something to share, I have something I want to, you know, impart to others and I really felt like a helper. And for a while there, I didn't know what that looked like. And I didn't know what that would exactly feel like, but I decided, you know, to become a coach. It just realized, you know, it just feels right. I feel like I just enjoy talking with people in this way. And I was helping, you know, my friends would come to me naturally, you know, and and ask for advice. And I realized, okay, maybe I have a knack for this and decided to become a coach and did some coaching training and then realize I had a client actually, who changed things for me pretty dramatically. This client came to me with a lot of mental health issues and a lot of challenges that they were seeing a therapist for, and then seeing me separately as their coach. And I learned a lot from her in the recognition that the coaching work I was doing was really limited as much as I wanted to help, you know, heal mind body spirit, and I felt there was a huge integrative connection with that I just didn't have the skills, I didn't have the resources, you know, as a coach. So I decided, okay, this matters to me, I know, there's absolutely need to have a much bigger picture, I think, you know, in order to understand how to heal, and how to work through things, not just on, you know, the spiritual, emotional level. But I think if I understand the mental, you know, side of things, the psychological side, then it would make a big difference for me. So I looked into going to graduate school, and I thought, you know, what, I'm going to become a psychotherapist, and I'm going to make this work. And I moved from Florida to California, and went to school, at a really small transpersonal more holistic psych psychotherapy School. And from there, I realized that this was my path that I was always meant to integrate psychology and spirituality together, and then spent, you know, a couple years really, you know, learning therapy and what that was like, and understanding, you know, the holistic side of that too, which was excellent, which 100% connects with coaching in that way. But then I realized, I really want to do coaching still. So then I just began doing both and realize there's, there's a way you can do that. So I think, you know, it just took me some time to realize that clients had certain need, right for Mind Body Spirit connection, and I didn't have the skills at the time to do that. But after, you know, going to therapy school, realize that that was going to make a big difference, I think for the clients that I was going to work with. And, of course, you know, I want to mention, you know, something important to you just in a vulnerable way, I had to go through a lot of my own trauma healing in, you know, during this journey. So as I was talking with that client, you know, we're winding back to that coaching client, I recognized in her you know, there was some mirroring trauma showing up in me, and I realized, you know, I thought that was healed, I thought I had healed my own trauma around this. And it brought up, you know, a lot of triggers for me. And so it was a journey. It wasn't just a how do I learn to help others heal, but through that, it was learning how to truly heal myself. And it was something it was a journey I never, ever could have anticipated. But I discovered, you know, who I really am through that process. So I know that it's a long journey, but I think that kind of sums up, you know, the main points of it. Brandon Handley 12:38 Right now it does, and it's great that you you already knew at a young age that hey, you wanted to help and kind of facilitate others learning and coming along their journeys. And, you know, so you go to a psychotherapist route, and then you end up at this transpersonal holistic school, I've never even heard of such a thing. So I love I love that idea. Can you talk a little bit more about what that education was like? Because, again, when I think of somebody going to a psychotherapist school, I think of like this kind of this, I don't know, what was called clinical studies, you know, that type of thing, white jacket, and when you say transpersonal holistic school, I think burning sage and you know, dreamcatchers. So, yeah, so I'd love to know, just like a little bit of how those two merged for you. And I mean, what drew you more to the spiritual side versus going straight clinical? Amie Dean 13:38 Ooh, yeah, that's good one, too. So I went to so the school I went to is called Sofia University in Palo Alto, California. And the school itself is kind of like a cohort model. And it's very different. You're right. It's not like the white wall clinical ideas, sit in a classroom and you know, listen to a lecture kind of thing. It was more overall sitting in a circle together. And it was a very small cohort, you know, of, you know, sometimes even five people in a classroom, and it was very experiential. And we did a lot of art therapy and getting to know ourselves through meditation, and then using other kinds of therapy that you probably wouldn't have heard, you know, wouldn't hear us most times, like internal family systems, or psycho synthesis and all these different, you know, they're just pointing to understanding that there is a core self, and there's an OS in here, you know, that's beyond our personality that's beyond who we think we are. And so you're right, there was, you know, this idea of the burning of stage and, you know, and understanding, you know, how to actually bring, you know, crystals into some of the work that we do, and, you know, a very deep level, it was very connective, right, it was more of a relational experience, you know, with therapy and understanding, you know, our approach. And you know, more so than here's, you know, here's what you need to learn. Now go out and kind of make that a reality. It was more like you're going to learn it here. You're going to get the experience here. And you're going to take that right into the next mixed into the next stage of your therapy work. So it felt more integrative for me, you know, just bringing that all together, we did a lot of, you know, inner somatic body work and understanding how our body, you know, connects with our mind and our spirit and really getting a hold on who we are, as therapists, you know, not so much as this is what a therapist is, right? If that makes sense, a little bit more of an eye and identity, you know, experience around that. So that was that was that school? And I would say, I would never ever go back and no regrets around that. I think that that was exactly what I needed. And leading up to why I went there. And my spiritual journey, you know, to get there was, you know, I've so I'm definitely an empath, I've always been very highly sensitive. So I've always picked up on emotions of others, you know, quite frequently, and it really caused me a lot of anxiety growing up. So I had a lot of anxiety as a young child had no idea how to manage it, or how to cope with it. And so as time had gone on, you know, I realized that I was also having the psychic experiences, in addition to the anxiety. And so then I was really freaked out, of course, right as a young child, and no understanding as to what that means, you know, I'm seeing my grandmother who had passed in the living room, and I'm having anxiety getting up every day. And so I just didn't really know how to sort through the experience, but I felt a draw. Anyway, I felt a draw to how do I figure this out? Who, who is this enemy, or what's happening inside of me. And that's when I, you know, started embarking on, you know, a totally different journey than my upbringing, which was Christian at the time. And at that point, realized, I would say, maybe in my late teens, it didn't really, you know, connect with my needs. It wasn't something that was really helping me thrive and understand who I am as a soul. And so I would say at that point, started looking into different spiritual books. And, you know, leaders such as Neale Donald Walsch was a really big life changer for me, you know, I would say, Abraham, you know, Hicks, that kind of, you know, experience to more manifestation Louise Hay, all these different authors really gave me an understanding that there's more to life than what we see and what we experienced. And then my anxiety started to subside. And I started to feel better. And I started to understand my psychic abilities a lot more and realize, okay, I'm different, maybe I'm not the same as a lot of people I know. But it's not bad, different, right. So I had to learn through that, you know, that it was just who I am. And a lot of other people were also struggling with that as well out there. And I'm feeling empathic and not knowing what to do with it. So that led me to, you know, this, obviously, the, the long journey led me to discovering who I am really, truly feeling who I am, and having a clear sense of, you know, self awareness within. And then I decided, this is my path. This is number one for me. I just felt this was my purpose. And it was like, nothing could shake that. Nothing could shake the knowing that this is my purpose now, to awaken spiritually and to help others do the same. Yeah. Brandon Handley 18:12 So lots of lots in there. Right. All good stuff. A couple things that I want to hit on is you mentioned integrative, quite a bit. And I believe that one of the biggest challenges that we have, especially in western civilization's last culture, is our ability to integrate spirituality, with everyday life, you know, we, we've got this spiritual life, and then we've got like this, this other life, and I was listening to I was listening to Alan Watts the other day, and he was talking about Hinduism. How, in Hinduism, that's the same, like there's there's no separation. Right? So what you know, when you say integrative, what do you what do you mean by that? And is it along those lines? And is that kind of some of the work that you're trying to do is get people to integrate their spirituality with the whole of who they are? Yes, Amie Dean 19:09 yes. Excellent. That is exactly what I'm pointing to. It's really all about, how can we stop separating our life? Right? How can we actually start to see that in our spiritual life or a meditative life, right is the same as our everyday life, right? The life where we have to do list of so many things you have to check off every day, and responsibilities, right, that are absolutely 100% needed. And what I find through this is mindfulness. I'm also a mindfulness teacher. So I'm a huge proponent on helping to bring people to this understanding that the more mindful we can be, the more we can bring spirituality into our everyday life and integrate it more. And that doesn't look like for example, necessarily sitting on a meditation cushion for 30 minutes a day, getting up and then doing the rest of your day and then going to bed and feeling exhausted right by the end of the day. But it's more of how do I want to start my day mindfully? What does that look like for each person, maybe you know, for each person, it's more of an informal mindfulness practice of, I'm going to make my coffee, right with awareness, I'm going to smell that cup of coffee, I'm going to really be with it, I'm going to find gratitude in the moment of it. And I'm going to do my sitting meditation, maybe, but the rest of the day, I'm going to make an intention to really notice what's happening, in my mind, what's happening in my body, what's showing up for me right now, and how can I tend to that compassionately, as I go through the day, because that's huge, I think, too, you know, if we can be compassionate with ourselves, then we can, you know, bring the spiritual dimension into our everyday life, because that's the dimension of love, right? Helping us to reconnect with with who we are. Brandon Handley 20:47 Now, that's, I mean, that's solid, right? So just bring it all in, I think another piece to that you're talking about you, you're bringing in the mindfulness, you're talking about the meditation. To me, it sounds like you're talking about overall wellness, which is kind of what's meant by holistic, and, you know, if you if you would just say whole self, right, or, or all of these things that you know, are generally going to benefit you as a holistic practice versus I think what we look at as the acute doctor, you know, we go to a doctor, you get, you know, you they work on, oh, your hand hurts, we've got a specialist for that, and, and for that person, everything's going to be about the hand, right? Because that's what they specialize in for them, you know, the hammer nails thing. And then, and then I love the idea to, you know, setting the intentions and you said 10 to it, which I like, I like the 10 to it versus nurturing piece. A lot of people are always talking about you got to nurture this, you got to nurture that nurture, nurture, nurture. That's great. Yeah, you got to nurture to a lot of things. But when you tend to your garden, you, you know, you sometimes you pull some weeds, right? Sometimes you got to sometimes you got to clear some space, sometimes you got to make way for the things that you are nurturing. And in the hole, you're tending to it. So I think that that's a great, great word to use. And then I have a great point. I mean, a question I've been asked before, and I'm really curious, what's your, what's your, what's your take is on it is what would you say the differences, you brought up the word awareness? And we're talking about mindfulness. But what would you say the difference between those two are? Amie Dean 22:22 Yeah, oh, great. So I would say that mindfulness of being mindful is just simply paying attention to the present moment, you know, and what's happening in the now, right. So for example, it's hearing the sounds in the room, right? Or feeling yourself in the chair, it's just being mindful of what's happening moment by moment. And that, you know, in my experience, anyway, creates self awareness. So mindfulness kind of leads to self awareness. And self awareness would be you know, acknowledging, oh, there's thoughts in here that maybe really don't connect, you know, with who I really feel myself to be. Right. As you mentioned, I love that metaphor around the garden, right, tending to the garden in this way. And it's, I mean, if every day we were to wake up and say, Okay, I've got a garden, right, in one way, and this garden has some weeds in it, because I'm human. And that happens. And I might need to, you know, work through that today. But how can I tend to that garden, right, the inner garden, so to speak, as I go throughout my day, you know, noticing those weeds tending to them, as you mentioned, right? Just being with them, and not maybe no, often we're tend, we tend to be in a rush, right? We tend to be busy, we tend to try and make things happen as quickly as we can. Because we want to get more done, right? It's just our culture in many ways. But we're missing that attending right to ourselves, when we're doing that when we're so doing focused instead of being focused, right? And so the more being focused we can be, which is, you know, simply being mindful, then we are truly, you know, gaining self awareness and understanding more of what's happening inside because that's the first step towards healing the inner child or any, you know, any kind of healing truly self awareness, because without that, we're gonna get lost, right? We're gonna be walking in circles and we're going to keep running through the same old cycles that have kept us stuck right in the past. Brandon Handley 24:08 Not for sure, I mean, I think that's a great way great way of putting it so I appreciate that and then you also threw in there the idea of you know, we're so busy like I gotta I gotta do this I've got to run it the next day. I've got a good day but busy doesn't always and we equate busy Yeah, working on the things with being productive. Right and sometimes right sometimes going back to the garden right? Like you don't rip out you don't rip out the you don't rip out the you know, the corn to see if it's growing right you don't you don't rip it out. Take a look at the roots to see if it's growing you leave it flip kind of suicide thing and you sit back and know again that you've got to do these other pieces in order to let it go ahead and be one of the things I want to touch on too is you know you brought up a Christian background. Also notice that you do Akashic work you doing all this? Other work again, you're smudging, you've got dreamcatchers you've got like all these other things going on how's your family take, you know, kind of where you're focused at right now? Because I think a big part of, of doing these journeys and getting into this space, sometimes we meet with resistance from family or friends who were like, What do you mean, you're doing this and this, like, you're putting a position to the fan, like your purpose and what you feel like your purpose is? Right? So what was that journey? Like for you? Amie Dean 25:29 Oh, yeah, that was a journey. So I will tell you that I know at first so one thing about my family is that they are very open minded. So that's a positive. Now my mom was not very open minded. At first, she was more, you know, your, towards Christianity and trying to help me, you know, kind of pivot my way back a little bit, you know, as I've as I've grown through this journey, but my dad was always 100% open, he's like, tell me more about this. Let's read the spiritual books together, you know, oh, the Akashic records, let's do a reading. So I think his kind of openness, you know, and his, his true curiosity around it was something that helped me to recognize that it's okay for me to explore these things. And I know not everyone has that, you know, like one parent or a friend or somebody that says, go for it, you know, what do you have to lose figure, you know, figure out what works for you kind of thing, right? And my mom was on the opposite spectrum. She's like, don't do that, you know, that's a sin. And you can't, you can't read that book, and you can't do those things. And so it was there was like, a push pull on me for a while, like, Dad is good, I'm good with this mom is not so good with this, right? And I had to kind of move through this experience of how do I be fully authentic with myself, right? Well, not, you know, creating chaos in my family around this. And over time, you know, for a while there, I just had to learn how to speak my truth and be authentic with my mom and, and really just share with her my experience of it and and also help her to see that didn't negate her experience, right? That it's okay for her to feel the way she feels and to have her Christian beliefs and to really connect with those, and that they're really not all that different. There's just different perspectives around it, right. And so she opened up a lot, I think, after a few years, she realized, Oh, this is just who my daughter is now. And I have to kind of accept that. And so there was acceptance piece that she was coming to around it. And then she'd say things to me like, well tell me more about that, you know, I want to know more about that retreat you went on, or that shamanic death and dying workshop that you did, you know, it's like, things like that, where, I mean, my mom would never have asked that. So I could tell that she was growing through my process of growth. And I tend to see that often with the clients I work with too. And in their family, sometimes it'll mirror their experience when they're healing, eventually, there's pushback, you know, and there usually is, you know, some difficulty or a lot of difficulty, and how other people, you know, experience your experience. But sometimes there's a mirroring effect, where you can start to realize that, oh, other people, actually, you know, they're growing with me, we're growing together through this, it doesn't mean we're always going to be on the same page. But it does mean that sometimes, you know, we can come together a bit more. And so my mom still has her same beliefs, you know, she's not going to the other side, necessarily with me, but she is so open to it. And she just tells me, you know, how happy she is for me that on all my purpose, and then I'm living my dream, and then I'm doing the things that really matter to me. And it took a while for her to get there. It really did. And it wasn't something I was really holding out for, you know, as I was doing, you know, my own trauma healing work, I realized, you know, what, my mom's approval, right, of course, as I was going through this, and recognized, you know, what is it's actually okay for my mom to be where she is right now with this. And for me to be where I am with this because I have to, I have to do my own healing work with that. So this is important for me. And I think over time, my mom just recognized that it was okay for me to be who I am. Because she loved me anyway. Okay, not everyone's gonna have that experience. I think, you know, of course, but having, like you mentioned a good friend, or maybe your spouse or something like that can make a huge impact. And I'll also add in that my spouse is not he is not necessarily, you know, involved in the same things I am, you know, he's not like, oh, yeah, let's go to a meditation retreat this weekend. You know, but he's 100% supportive. And I think that's the difference, right? We just need to have at least a few people in our lives, who are kind of our cheerleaders, right? They're like, I'm here for you, you've got this. And, and, you know, I love you for who you are. Because that touches on the wound, you know, the people who don't love us for who we are, then we activate our shame wound of our inner child right around not being good enough. And it can absolutely hinder our spiritual journey, right? And maybe even you know, make us decide that we don't even want to, you know, embark on that path because it's too hard or because our family doesn't understand or doesn't agree with it. Right on a deep level. So yeah, it's a really good question, though, that you brought up. Brandon Handley 29:52 So for, like, right, the talents here, especially when you're leaning into something, non convention All right, I think that that's the best way to put it, you know, larger percentage of the world is Christian and larger, even even a large percentage of them don't realize that the Bible is kind of like a, I don't know, a Snow White remake, right? Of all the things that came before it, right? And it's like, all the same exact stories are in there. But like, just because it's over here in this book, it means something different than it ever meant before. So it sounds like you know, she's she's got that genuine curiosity, because she's seeing the the kind of alignment and she's like, alright, well, you know, what the path that you're on, actually aligns kind of really well to everything I already know, I'm sure I'm not sure she's ever said that like out loud, but also have to go to the idea of, you know, I'm a parent. And, you know, it's a general thing that I would have to say is, you know, it's just wanting to make sure that your child is okay. Right. Like, it's not even so much of like, you know, worried about, you know, yeah, you are more more so like, you know, just wanting to make sure you're okay. And so I mean, to me, that's what it sounds like. And it's great that you know, that your dad was kind of there going through and being genuinely interested is sitting down, going through and looking through Akashic stuff with you as well. That's kind of fun. And, and he talked a little bit about to this, this idea of not holding on to needing her acceptance or their acceptance. And I think that I think that's really a powerful thing as well, that the idea of sure you would love it, if they understood and they were there with you and your journey. And that that might be something kind of meaningful. Yeah, but you're not attached to that, right? That doesn't necessarily mean that, that you're not going to do it. And it doesn't necessarily mean that your happiness is derived from their approval. Right? I think that's it, that's a big challenge. I mean, that Good on you for kind of, you know, being able to make those breaks. And even even in that, what else was there? Just that? That, was it, the idea that doesn't negate the truth of who she is. Right? Like, you know, so your mom, you know, doesn't, you know, she can still have her journey, you've got yours. And again, that's another another thing that I that, you know, I experienced myself and have, you know, seen from others, like, this is the way follow me, right? Like, you know, if you're not going this way, then you know, you're not living the truth of who you are. Right. And so being able to being able to look at others and realize that they're all on their journey, you're on yours, you guys all meet, I think about it, kind of like in the in the idea of Wizard of Oz, right? You know, we all kind of meet along the way to Oz, and like, you're going to get a brain you're going for our heart, I just want to go home, right? And, and, but like everybody's kind of on their own individual journey for their own individual reasons. So really cool story, I enjoy it. Another big piece of that is, a lot of us face that, right? We face this wall of, you know, I really want to I really want to step into the truth of who I am, right? I really want to go do this thing, but I'm not sure that XYZ you're going to accept it. Right? Or what are the what is everybody gonna say? And the truth of the matter is like, do you want to sit there and lay in bed at night being like, why aren't I living out my life the way I want to. And, you know, that said, thank you for sharing that journey. And then hopefully, like I said, that's going to be helpful for others who are who are kind of in that same space in place or similar journey to to know what some of the positive steps that they can take. And I'll also caveat that when I say positive, I don't mean like, you know, it's always gonna have a joyous outcome, it means that there's forward progress. When I say positive, there's, there's, you're moving forward, you're you're getting unstuck, you're moving towards wherever you're trying to move to. So let's say, you know, I reached out to you, Amy, and I'm like, I want to do some work with you. What, you know, walk me through, like, an introductory session and what we might talk about. Amie Dean 34:17 Absolutely. So there are two avenues to that. And one avenue is, you know, just spending some time first in like a consultation. So it'd be a phone call to decide number one is coaching right for you, or it's counseling right for you, because, and there's two different layers of this, right. So for example, therapy tends to be better for you know, an individual who is kind of in a in a stage where maybe they haven't done a lot of therapy already before or they have but they still have some very traumatic wounds that they're stuck in. It's almost like the survival stage, right, that they're trying to move through. And so that's, you know, typically therapy, right where we want to actually get down to the bottom of it, what is this core wound? What are some of these things that are in these memories and past you know, Your senses that are causing this wound. So that's more of like the therapy side of it. So and that's also if you know, a person's experiencing, you know, extreme anxiety or depression, or they're really having a hard time, you know, functioning on a, you know, more balanced level in their everyday life. Now, coaching is for people who say, you know, what I know I still have wants to heal, or pretty sure I do. And I'd like to find out more about what that looks like. But kind of similar to what you've mentioned before, it's for those truth seekers, almost right, the ones who are ready to kind of deepen their spiritual journey, you know, a bit more, and they want to connect with like minded people, because the coaching I do is within a group setting with other women. And in the setting, this is a place to truly heal together, because we're not on this spiritual awakening journey alone, right? We're not meant to be anyway, we're supposed to connect and heal through each other's stories and heal through each other's wisdom and compassion. So I would say that the major differences is, you know, therapy is kind of a stepping stone to the coaching work I do. Because it does help to have a really clear understanding of the whys. Why I went through this and the house and, and to have the coping, you know, skills and resources, and then the coaching is that next level, to say, but you know, I got a really clear sense, and my life is, you know, a little more balanced, or a lot more balanced. And now I'm ready, I'm ready to really dive into Who am I really? What is my life purpose? Like, what is most important to me, as a spiritual being? And how can I bring spirituality as the main source of my life? How can I truly understand who I am? And so that would be I think, that next level, you know, and, and often in the consultation, I can help, you know, person discover more about that and understand, you know, where they're at, if they're unsure, you know, where they're at in this journey. But that's usually the first step. I would say to the process. Yeah. Brandon Handley 36:52 So we've determined that I am you I am fresh out of survival mode, right? And I'm ready to go on to this, this coaching, I'm ready to deepen my spiritual journey. I love that you're creating space, and you're working primarily with women, is that correct? Amie Dean 37:10 That is yes. Primarily with women with you know, doesn't have to be developmental trauma, but women who have had some kind of level of trauma or or difficulty in, or just maybe processing through certain life events that they've been through. So And usually, of course, it always stands in childhood, even if they don't have a core memory that connects to that just yet. Brandon Handley 37:32 How do you help them connect to that core memory? What's something that you do for that? Amie Dean 37:37 Yeah, so when so not usually in the consultation? Usually, this happens in our first session together, we spent some time, you know, creating these building blocks around, what are some of these memories you do remember, what are some things that do come to mind, right, that makes sense for you. And then we just go a little bit deeper, and we go backwards in time together. So I use a meditative technique with visualization. And I use something called internal family systems as well. It's a form of therapy that allows you to go deep into your psyche, to understand different sub personalities. And these are simply, you know, different parts of us that show up in our everyday life, like our critic or perfectionist, our, let's say, you know, there's a part of you that you know, wants to, well, maybe a control part, right, I want to control my everyday experiences and creates anxiety for you. So these are parts we get in touch with, and we try to understand how do they connect to your timeline as to when the symptoms began for you? Right? So maybe for this person, it's I started having extreme anxiety at age 10. And I don't know why. Right? I don't know what caused it. So we'll just start to explore what happened, you know, around that time frame, so it's very similar to therapy in this way to you know, in discovering the core wound, but then we go into, you know, the Akashic records, and then we discover more of the whys and the hows around this core wound. And then more memory starts to become more obvious Brandon Handley 39:00 for me because I was waiting to get to the Akashic records. I'm like, can we use feel all this shit and get to the Akashic records? Because I'm ready, go there. Right, let's, let's, let's talk. Let's talk about the Akashic records. What would you say they are? And what, when, and how, how do your clients usually kind of react to what they are versus what their perception of that is? Amie Dean 39:27 Yes, so how so? Typically, it's really interesting. There's such a big interest now in the Akashic records, and most people are like, I don't really know what it is, but I just want to figure out how to access mine, right? Because it sounds so cool to know more about who I am and, and to ask questions to understand my spiritual side. But the Akashic Records really are it's just this etheric library have, really of our inner worlds, right. So I know sometimes you can think of the Akashic records is out there somewhere, right? Somewhere out there, but there's really within us and it's within the physical dimension of consciousness. And typically we're living on the third dimension of consciousness, we can think of it that way. And the third dimension is very physical, you know, we have a lot to do this is that state of kind of get things done, we are time limited. And as we move up into, you know, fourth dimension is more of the astral plane, which helps us to launch into the fifth dimension of love, which is where the Akashic records exist. From here, we're able to actually understand more of our life purpose, understand why we went through what we went through from a place of love, which is why it's such an amazing, you know, opportunity to heal. But some people, you know, they see their Akashic records. It's like a giant library of information, because it holds all of your souls records from all time. So for those who believe in past lives, it's holds your past lives, future possibilities of what could happen in the future, your life purpose, your soul contract as to why we came here, and why we're doing what we're doing, and the kind of karma that we might need to work through. So it has an immense amount of information here. It's like the internet, but you know it within you have information, so to speak. And it's powerful, really powerful. Brandon Handley 41:07 So, do you access my Akashic records? Or do you help me to access them? And then then what were we out there? Amie Dean 41:20 Yes. Oh, I like this question. So for while I was doing one to one readings for people and doing community readings for people and recognize that it wasn't really helping to, you know, provide the tools that were necessary. So I now what I do is I help people directly. So I would guide you, you know, and help you access your Akashic records, but I'd be in there with you. Hopefully, that makes sense. So it almost you know, we so the way that this works is there's a prayer process. And this prayer process helps you to get in touch with the truth of your essence, right? The love that you are. And because of that you're able to, you know, dive deeper into this love, right, the dimension of love in this way. And so the prayer is kind of like a vibrational frequency, almost, you know, that we go into together. So you would say that prayer, for example, right out loud. And I would, you know, stand you know, kind of sit with you hold the space with you. And then you would access your Akashic records at that same time. Usually, for some people, they see light, right open up after the prayer, for example, some people see the library of books show up around them. But there's a lot of different things that can happen in this way. So with that being said, I'm there as a support in the background trying to help in any way I can. And sometimes I will get information, you know, and I'll pull it in, and I'll say, what about this? What do you think about that? And then, you know, people can let me know if they're on the same page, if they feel that too, right, if they're also sensing those changes within them. So yeah, Brandon Handley 42:49 would you say it's a little bit like, yeah, would you say it's a little bit like when Morpheus is in there with Neo, and he's like, you know, stop trying to hit me and just hit me. Right? That type of thing. And then like, he just kind of back away, and he does his own thing? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's it all Amie Dean 43:04 the way. Exactly. Yeah. I love that analogy. Yeah, it's perfect. That's perfect. Yeah, it's, it's a joint, it's kind of like teamwork, you know, in some way in this in this process, because they don't want to just go into your records. I was doing this for a while. And then then everyone has to keep coming to me for mention their records. And I just didn't feel like that was empowering, really. And I realized everybody can access their records. I don't need to do that for them. But I want to empower them to know how to do that. So I'm more of a teacher, I think in this way than a reader like I was in the past. Brandon Handley 43:35 Yeah, that's great. I'm gonna even spin all the way back kind of to the beginning of the conversation, where you talk a little bit about recognizing kind of how you had these psychic abilities, and that made you different. Yeah. And I would, I would almost hesitate to say you, yeah, you were aware of your psychic abilities that I think are innate in everybody. Yeah. Right. It's just, it's just you, you know, you chose to kind of chase the path and give, give yourself to that. And through things like what you're doing with teaching them how to access the Akashic records, you're like, Hey, listen, it's not just me. Right? I'm capable. You're capable. And here's how and here's what this looks like. And just kind of give yourself open openness to that. Amie Dean 44:26 Exactly. So Brandon Handley 44:28 yeah, I love what you're doing. I think I think it's a definitely think it's very cool. What um, you know, who would you say is kind of like your ideal client? Amie Dean 44:39 Yeah. So I would say that so there's a couple different clients that might be you know, interested in this work and interested in this healing. Usually, it's a person number one, they're highly spiritual, dedicated, you know, usually work with a lot of spiritually dedicated women who not to say that they feel like their spiritual life is on track, but they want their spiritual life to be on track, right? Maybe they want You know, more meditation and yoga and more of an understanding of how to deepen, right, their understanding of who they are, but they're not quite there, right. So they, the, you know, there are those people who are ready, but they don't know the path or like, help me figure it out, I'm confused about how to make this happen. So there's that. And then typically, these women tend to be highly self critical, they tend to, you know, be really hard on themselves, sometimes perfectionistic in certain ways, and tend to experience you know, anxiety quite a bit as well, they might also be empaths, you know, and really, you know, tapping into other people's emotions on a regular basis. So these women, usually to, you know, they are busy, busy, busy people, right, they're spending a lot of time, you know, just trying to make things happen. And maybe they have families that they're trying to, you know, balance out with work and their spiritual life. And, you know, coming back to our conversation around integration, they're thinking, how on earth do I integrate my spiritual life, into my everyday life of being a parent of being a friend of being a entrepreneur, maybe of being a business owner? Or, you know, being even being an employee? How do I figure this out? Right? How do I really understand my path? And my purpose in this? So it's usually people who are, they're just ready, really, they're just ready to step into their life. And they're ready, you know, they're, they're tired of living in that third dimension, you know, is one way of thinking of it, living so heavily in that third dimension of consciousness, that the dimension of love within them, that fifth dimension is not present in the way that they would hope? So that would be Yeah, that would be the right person. Brandon Handley 46:36 Thanks for Thanks for sharing that, right. So just so that people who are listening tuned in today, they have an idea of whether or not you know, that's a great fit. One of the things I like to do here is just kind of look at, I look at this podcast is kind of like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Because they're gonna tune in to looking for their next spiritual, you know, date as it were, they're looking for. And I think another thing is, too, is, is, even in the idea of, I'll go back to Hinduism, you know, you can have more than one guru, right? It's like, you know, you go to like one, and you hang out with him for a while. And you awaken certain aspects of yourself. And that's, that's what that Guru does. That's what that teacher does. And so yeah, it's okay to move on. And, and so my guess is like, you're not trying to hold these clients for life. It's like, Alright, come get what you need and move on. Right? Like, you've got what you need for me, I've given you all I can give now. Scoop, right? So says, people are kind of calling on their on their paths. This would be, I think, one or one or two of the questions that I would ask, let's see, what do we had to ask for spiritual Bachelorette number one today? Ooh, to do, let's say, how does one obtain true peace? Oh, I Amie Dean 47:59 love it. How does one obtain true peace? You know, I would say the best way to obtain true peace is to acknowledge the human condition, first and foremost, which is this negativity bias to not have true peace, right? Coming back to that shadow work, right, that we all need to do, I think on a very deep level, that, you know, we're one part of us, for example, once piece, one part of us or several parts of us do not want peace, right? For example, some parts of us want to be angry, some parts of us want to be, you know, in a state of fear, right, and some parts of us really want peace. So first maybe is to acknowledge this kind of multiplicity of our personality, right, where we're not just one person. And, you know, the, the way to obtain that is to make peace, you know, for lack of a better word, make peace with the parts of us that do not want peace, if that makes sense, right? Make peace with the parts of us that need some time to be in anger, to stew in things sometimes to to really allow that sense of mindfulness, right to bring that to our experience, instead of forcing ourselves right to move past it, which is spiritual bypass. Right? Just to get to that true peace state. So hopefully, that makes sense. Yeah, it's a journey for sure. Brandon Handley 49:11 It makes a lot of sense a in the idea of the you said two things there. I'm not super deep on spiritual bypassing, but, you know, that would be the idea of saying, you know, exactly, exactly what said, Well, there's anger there and I shouldn't have that in my life. There's this over there. And that shouldn't be my life. Like, there's like a spiritual bypassing is like, you know, when you're at the buffet, and there's like, all the things there, which makes the full buffet what it is, and then you're like, well, that shouldn't be on there. I'm not having any of that that shouldn't be on there. I'm gonna fill my plate with all the spiritual things that I think I was supposed to have. Yeah, but no pudding. Right? I can't have pudding. I love pudding, but I can't have pudding. And what I found through the Shadow Work is is understanding the There's just like you said, anger may sound like a may sound like an oxymoron, right? It's kind of part of peace. Right? You gotta you gotta you've got you can't ignore that you're feeling angry. If you ignore that you're feeling angry then there's always going to be a disturbance are never going to be peaceful sake if I'm angry. Why am I angry? What's up there? Should I keep feeling it? Okay, I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. Yeah, I'm over it, right. Yeah, I was pretty angry. But I'm over it right like but but it to try and reject it and suppress it is gonna make it a lot like a geyser. In the end? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Never thrown putting into a spiritual conversation before. But there it is. Amie Dean 50:50 It just comes up on its own. Right? That's right. Brandon Handley 50:54 Let's see to do trying to find one that I don't always ask. Yeah. Let's see, no longer longer to do to do. What does it mean to live in the present moment? Amie Dean 51:10 What does it mean to live in the present moment, I would say to live in the present moment means to be 100%. So this is kind of a number one, of course, coming back to living moment by moment. Right. So reminding yourself that it's not about it's not necessarily that you're not thinking about the future. And it's not necessarily that you, you know, you're not thinking about the past? Because these are thoughts that are happening, right. Thoughts happen on their own? They don't we're not thinking thoughts necessarily. They're just coming in. Right. So it's more about, can I be aware? Can I be open? Can I be just yet self aware in the moment of what's coming up for me, for example, that my thoughts are going to the future that my thoughts are going to the past, right? It's, it's this recognition that as we're present with our body, for example, right, noticing sensation, noticing emotion, can I allow that to be right, it's really the aspect of surrender, I would say, because you have to surrender in order to be present. Because you know, the idea of not being present is the opposite of surrender, right? It's about control. It's about trying to fix it's about trying to jump into the future in some way. And in this instance, so when we're trying to be present, we are understanding that surrender is the way therefore we have to surrender to this doesn't feel good to be present right now. Oh, for example, that anger is showing up, and I really don't want to be present with it. But it's here. And therefore, I'm going to invite it into my experience the best way I know how, right, which is just to maybe be gentle with myself in this moment. So there's that Yeah. To be present. Brandon Handley 52:40 Could you clarify, would you clarify, you know, the word surrender, because I think a lot of people look at surrender, as in giving, as in not standing up for myself, as you know. So when you're saying surrender, what are you saying? Amie Dean 52:56 Yes. So surrender is no, this is actually really important conversation. Because often we can think well, so we're just surrendering, we're just letting it go. And it's no big deal. And as we're doing that, we're just letting go of everything, right, which means our ability to assert any kind of, you know, maybe not necessarily control, but to assert any kind of influence over our lives in some sort of way. But it's not like that surrender is just simply noticing our experience, noticing what's arising, choosing not to fight with it, choosing not to resist it, just allowing it to be and I know that, you know, that is a process. And for many, you know, they might ask well, how do I know if I'm resisting it? How do I know if I'm surrendering? Right? And I would say that, you know, you're surrendering, when there's a sense of openness around your experience, right? There's a sense of just knowing that you're okay, as you are in that moment. And there isn't the sense of tension or tightness around a situation, right? For example, you know, if you have to make a big decision, let's say, right, and you're just going back and forth, you know, Option A or Option B, Option A or Option B, and you realize, you know, I'm not really surrendering right now, because I'm feeling stressed about this, I'm feeling tension about this, I'm feeling like I have to figure it out in some way. That would be the opposite of surrender, right? And then surrendering would be okay, this is how I feel. Right now. I'm feeling torn. There's a part of me that feels this way. There's a part of me that feels that way. And I can't make a decision. In this moment. I'm going to surrender to the knowing that this is the current snapshot of my life right now. And I'm going to be okay with that in this moment. Or at least be okay. Right, with the knowing that this is going to change because all experiences are temporary in this moment. And so there's that right, and that can help you see right that you are surrendering or not surrendering. But the big key here is that you can't just say I'm going to surrender and then okay, fine. I'm not going to make the decision. Greg's gonna make a decision either way. But the point is that as you create some space around it, a decision is made naturally. It comes intuitively through you in that moment, and it's not based on Control Data comes through your higher wisdom is one way of looking at it. Brandon Handley 55:05 Yeah, thanks for Thanks for clearing that up. Right. I think that, again, a lot of people are going to look at surrenders, just kind of rolling over and letting letting things just kind of take over, or they don't have anything that they can do about it. In that regard, you'd mentioned that you had something you'd like to share with the audience. And what was that? Amy? Amie Dean 55:25 Yes. So there is a spiritual awakening guidebook that I offer, just as a complimentary download on my website. And this is this guide book walks you through the six phases of spiritual awakening. I know we didn't get to that today. But I have the six phases that we go through on our spiritual journey. And it's 100% connected to healing our inner child. And this tells you how to go about healing that how to work through these challenges that are coming up and to determine which phase of awakening you're in. Right now. And and of course, there's an option to book a call with me that constant we talked about earlier, if that feels right. And they can download this. So would it be helpful to give the website information now? Absolutely, absolutely. Perfect. So the website is one awakening. So that's o n e awakening.us/awaken. And right there, you can just download it at that page. And yeah, then it's yours. Oh, and there's a journal with it, too. I think that's another important piece as spiritual awakening journal to integrate your daily habit. Brandon Handley 56:31 Yeah, awesome. Yeah. I think that I think that's a good point to make. I recall, when I was going through what I would call my awakening process, and reaching out to people, right. I was like, Jesus, like, Who can I talk to about this? And a couple of people that I chatted with, it was like, just, you know, also, while you're going through this, sure, there's plenty of materials you can read, and lots of things you can do. But one of the one of the things you can do that's very beneficial is to write it out, capture that kind of in the journal right? And just make sure that you're creating space and time to do that. Amy, thanks for so much for being on today. Making the time where can I send other people to connect with you today? Amie Dean 57:12 Yes, wonderful. So I would say that so I do have a Facebook community as well. And this is, so you can go to facebook.com/awakening spiritually together, you can always look that up on Facebook. And I go live every week, every other week, sometimes in the group and their spiritual awakening resources in that Facebook group. And I'm also on YouTube as well, which you can find all those links on my website, which you can find once you download that workbook. I want awakening.us/awakened Yeah. Brandon Handley 57:46 Fantastic. Thanks for being on today with us. Amy. Amie Dean 57:48 Thank you so much. It's a pleasure. And thank you to all who are listening and hopefully, this helped with your spiritual awakening journey. Thank you for having me. I mean journey. Thank you for having me. I Unknown Speaker 58:03 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove.co. You can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual dough, and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email to Brandon at spiritual dough Co. And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don't forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time, be kind to yourself and trust your intuition.

Donna wants to tell you that you were designed for greatness. Don't let the pain and disappointments of life define you. If you let them, they will make you a victim. Instead, focus on how powerful and talented you are. You possess an inner strength that is only waiting to be tapped into. You have been given a gift from above that can change your life for the better. Seek out an answer to the great question: "who am I? Connect with Donna today! https://www.ivibrantliving.com/ Transcript below is machine edited by otter.ai Donna Tashjian 1:53 Oh, that's a big question. Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed now moving forward? We don't have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:40 Hey there spiritual dope. I'm on here today with Donna task Jen. She is an empowering Life Mastery coach, she is down to earth inspirational speaker that has been speaking for over 20 years. She is the founder vibrant living international author and host of the you were designed for greatness podcast. She's been married to her wonderful husband for over 36 years, mother to three and grandmother. She loves flowers time in nature, and you will always see her with a cup of tea was you have a cup of tea there right now? I do. She has a passion to help you reach your full potential. So Donna, thanks for being on here today. By we're able to connect. I usually like me to usually like to start these off with the whole idea that um, you and I, you know, we're vessels for Source Energy, right that uh, you know, the you know, that whatever messages coming through on this podcast today with the conversation you and I have you and I will hear that. But like somebody on the other side, somebody listening and tuning in is going to get a message that they need to receive. And it can be delivered through you through this podcast in this moment. What is that message? Donna Tashjian 1:56 Um, the main point that it's what my podcast name is, is helping people know they were designed for greatness and really stepping in and walking in that. Yeah, that's the main thing I want people to know. It was just Brandon Handley 2:13 so I mean, what does that look like for you? How did you? Let's kind of walk our way to that. How did you come to find yourself to even recognize that for yourself? And then how did you and we'll move forward from there? Donna Tashjian 2:26 Yeah, the way my journey began, is really a pain point. As far as starting back, when I was 14, someone hurt me and I became pregnant. And so at the age of 15, I had a little girl, and I raised her. And so there was a lot of times where I was alone, there was no one else to rely on. And all I had was my faith. And that's where in that pain moment is when things really began to have. I built my foundation, I'll put it that way, to being able to learn how to trust in God and my spiritual walk and learning how to create who I was really designed to be. Through that process, there was all kinds of labels that are put on us and I had them all kinds of labels we put on ourselves. And all through that processes, like who am I really and learning how to discover who we really are. So that and that is a journey, who we are in our 20s is different than who we are in our 30s and so forth. And it's it's a journey as you discover who you really are and the gift you are to the world. Yeah. Brandon Handley 4:06 Yeah, the the whole idea of, you know, it sounds to me like you had faith at a young age. Is that Is that true? I did. So that faith was Christianity was something else. It Donna Tashjian 4:19 was Christianity, it was Christianity. Yes. And Brandon Handley 4:23 do Lean you really leaned into that, with the pain that you were going through? Sounds like it doesn't sound like you had a whole lot of other. I don't want to say it doesn't sound like you didn't have other support, but it sounded like that was what you relied on the most. Donna Tashjian 4:38 Yes, there wasn't a lot of support. And yes, it was something that I relied on that. And as I have gone forward is is learning that how to make sense out of tragedy. One of my programs that I work with some of them My clients is called Turning your baggage into luggage. And so how to make sense out of the pain and our disappointments in our life? How do we have them because I talk about making them become luggage so that you can create the life you dreamed. And so some of the worst days of my life have brought me to wonderful, incredible places that I wouldn't have had, without those painful moments and learning how to understand that. I mean, it doesn't take, to me anyway, it doesn't take much to see that there's something bigger than us at work. I couldn't I mean, the human body in itself, in all of its magnificence, it couldn't have just happened. That's my belief. And so learning that there is something bigger at work, and through all of the things that happen to our life, there can be something good out of it, if you look for it, Brandon Handley 6:05 for sure, but you know, I think that even you, you may agree, right? That if you go back to your 1516 year old self, and you're in all this pain, sometimes when you're in the midst of it, and you haven't had a bunch of life experience, for sure, then you could definitely crumble and fall and you know, you don't see the you don't see those lessons sometimes when you're in it. Right. I think that that can be a real challenge for us as as you and I can see I you see the lessons in the tragedy, you see the light and somebody is in the middle of the tragedy. Yeah. How do you before we can go there? I want to just, you know, Yeah, agreed, right? It's something bigger than URI. Some is at play here, the human body doing what it does, I always make the statement that if you, you don't know how to make your own blood, you don't know how to grow your own hair, you don't all these things that you're you are doing from within? Donna Tashjian 7:04 You can't make yourself breathe either. Brandon Handley 7:07 Right? Right. So I mean, these are things you go to sleep and like, I wouldn't trust myself to do something else with it play. Something else is a play. And, and even that, like the trillions of trillions of different parts, and I have a challenge sometimes, you know, pulling three pieces like eggs, toast and cheese and making a sandwich out of it, you know, and so imagine what it really takes to make all of this work the way that it does. That's great. Absolutely. I think it's a great point. So I mean, I want to I want to hit on that. What are some of the tools that you will so you find you find yourself, you know, you got you have these tragic moments, you rely on your faith where you know, where along the path? Do you begin to see yourself as having this greatness to explore and share? Donna Tashjian 7:56 I think it was, I think for me, it was an ongoing journey to know that there was that there was something that more than I than I could see at the moment that there was something bigger there. I think that's been a journey to be able to discover. And I know I know that at that age, and in through my years, I would not have articulated it, that I was designed for greatness. But I had this knowing that there was something bigger for me to do. And not sure how exactly to get there. The way that I articulate it today, of course, is not the what I would have said in the middle of the moment, I just knew that there was more. And there was also this feeling is blaming on my hair color, perhaps but I'm going to prove you wrong. And lowing that might have been a blonde. Yeah. Brandon Handley 8:59 I mean, look, I get it right I absolutely the ongoing journey and not being able to express this connection and this feeling in the sense that you know that there's something greater out there. And my guess is as you're kind of coming along through your life, it's like you couldn't even really put a finger on it. Right? And regardless of whether or not you know, that is there is where do you feel like you first really began to be able to put a finger on it, so that you were able to begin to express it and what did that look like? Donna Tashjian 9:37 I have done quite a few different things in my life that I think we're building to the place that I am today. But vibrant living and the being a Life Mastery coach in this capacity is when I began to really realize it and that wasn't till I that I would articulate it this way was about 10 years. ago. So it hasn't really been I, I've always had this knowing that there was something but I didn't know what and when I began to be able to put a plan to it and strategy to it that I began to really realize the magnitude of how we were designed for greatness. And my greatness doesn't look like yours. It looks like me and me being me is actually what's so great. It's learning how to be who we are, without having to have people approve of us or having worrying about our performance, or worrying about all of that. It's just being who you are with the gifts because you are important. And so learning to be able to articulate that in a way as hell and help others is my sweet spot. Brandon Handley 11:00 I love that the you know, the idea was, first of all right, 10 years ago, I mean, that's fair, fairly decent amount of time that you've been doing this now this work, right, and kind of uncovering it and developing this Life Mastery coach, aspect. And I think that that's a, it's a long journey. Right now, to your point, you, you spent most of your life working your way up to there. And as you step into this space, you begin to understand that there's so much that you have to uncover, right, these tragedies that you talked about being able to look at them as lessons later. What, what got you what was said to you, what was it that said to you, hey, I want to get into coaching. I mean, Donna Tashjian 11:44 well, I have always had it before, I would have called it mentoring. I've been doing that for over 20 years. So there's always been that capacity there. But it wasn't full time. It was stuff that I was doing on the side. And so my it was one of those moments when I said, What do I want to do now that I'm all grown up? What would I really love to do. And I had started a job at a nonprofit organization, which I worked at a lot of them started on my own, and thought that that would be the avenue to do the thing. But it was actually limiting. And now that I look back at it, but I had put all my eggs in that basket thinking it would be great. And me and the management did not get along, after a while. And so I was I was let go from that job. And so it was a moment of what do I really want to do. And so I did some deep soul searching. And that's when vibrant living, the clarity of the vision of coaching and helping people to step into their greatness to leave the pain and disappointment of the past behind and create the life they've always dreamed was born. Brandon Handley 13:01 So it's almost like there was a moment in there where he doesn't sound like you were fired, but doesn't sound like the job was extended for an ongoing length of time. Right? So there was a moment right there where you felt like you were in a place to serve and benefit others in this in this organization. And having that taken away. Again, this is an area where a lot of people could easily kind of shut down and and give up. Right? What was it? You know, in the question, line of questioning that you took to yourself what I really want what made you even want to continue to go forward and continue to serve what was? Donna Tashjian 13:41 Well, there was a period of time where I was on the floor, so to speak, you know, it's like the rug has been pulled out from me. I doubted my value, all of the things that we do when those kinds of things happen is just wondering, What am I going to do and all of that. But it goes back to my faith again, because that's I went back to God and talk to him about it. And that's where I got my direction. And it wasn't a moment it was little steps. What about this? And what about that, and I just follow the steps. And just because I didn't know coaching was a thing 10 years ago. To me, it was a football coach. It was what I pictured when you said the word coach, and I'm like, I am not that I will not scream at you. I will not do that. And so I didn't even know it was quote a thing. So it was a journey of step by step as I talked to God about what I should do next. Because ultimately, even when we're doing the self doubt that I don't have worth and that inner critic stuff that goes on. There's a part of us that knows that's not true. There's a part of us that knows there's something more than that. And so that's what I followed. And that's how I got here. Brandon Handley 15:05 Let's talk about even listening to that, listening to the eating the small steps, right? Taking those small steps listening to your, you know, listening to God slash, I think a lot of the people that would tune in we call it like your inner guidance, your intuition, following your bliss, what, what gave you the strength to follow that? Right or not know, the strength is the right word. But I think you get what I'm saying? Donna Tashjian 15:37 I, I think so, um, there is our intuition, as you say it, I agree with intuition, it's a place that I believe God speaks to us. And people call it different things. Um, but I, I like, in my strength to coming from him, it's more than intuition. And for me, so that was a knowing and like I said, even though that there's the self doubt, we know, I believe we know there's something more for us, something that pulls, pulling us forward. It's bigger than us. Because everyone has something, an impact that they make, and it doesn't have to be what I'm doing, or you're doing, it's whatever they need to be doing. That's in their heart. So I, that's, that's where my strength come from. I know where my strength comes from. Brandon Handley 16:34 Yeah, I mean, it sounds like you don't have a doubt now. So when you decided that, hey, I'm gonna do this vibrant living bit, I'm gonna go ahead and move forward into it. And I'm stepping into my greatness. I'm helping others do the same. What was the reaction, say, of your family, people that were close to you? around that. Donna Tashjian 16:57 Um, most of the people that were there around me the family is it's about time. You know, most people had saw that in we my daughter said, who is an adult now? said, Mom, there was always women sitting on the couch crying, and you are helping them. And that was one of her earlier memories, so that anybody that really knew me, it did surprise them less than it did me. Oh, what? What I had stepped into with this. Brandon Handley 17:30 That's awesome. So is great sound sounds like there was some support there? Yes. And what about I always think about the idea of kind of stepping into this kind of work. And following your spiritual guidance, your guidance from God can be scary and intimidating for some was there any fear in in? Yeah, I mean, let's talk about that and get in passing through it. Donna Tashjian 17:57 Oh, yeah. There's a constant feeling of what if this doesn't work. And wondering of being afraid of failure, afraid of, I guess not working is the best way I know how to describe it. And the one of the ways that got me through it is I got a coach to be able to help Brandon Handley 18:21 you. You're a coach and you had a coach. Donna Tashjian 18:25 If you have a coach and they don't have a coach, you need to change coaches Brandon Handley 18:29 figure that out for sure. For sure. Donna Tashjian 18:31 Everyone needs someone speaking into their life, and I got a coach that be a to be able to help me see what I couldn't see. That's one of the things that coach does is help you change your perspectives and help you see what you can't see. One of the best advice I got from my coach was to get up every day and proceed as if success was inevitable. When it didn't look like it would work when it didn't look like you knew what you were doing. I don't know how to do this. I've never done this before. All of that stuff, when you start something new, was to get up every day and proceeded as success was inevitable. And that phrase, will there was others. But that particular phrase every day I did that. Now there'll be a couple of days that I wanted to stay in bed because I wouldn't think it wouldn't work. But almost every day, that was my choice to choose to believe it would work. That in itself brings a different outcome. So that's one of the best things is that get a coach Brandon Handley 19:33 for a good coach. And and I love the idea to have Joe act as if, yes, I'm going to act as if right just kind of success is inevitable. You're just walking your path, and as you said, trying to figure it out. Look, I don't know about you. I don't I don't pretend to believe or know that I've had a past life so that I know what to do with this one. This You know, for all intents and purposes, this is my first go round. So I'm doing my best. And you know, I think that if it comes to starting anyone bevor Devere, like you've done with vibrant living. You've made it this far, so why not? Donna Tashjian 20:15 Yeah. All right. It didn't always look like it looks today, you know, when you're starting out, you know, Will anybody hire me as a coach? Those kind of feelings are always there. And, you know, what, if it's a problem that I don't know how to handle, or whatever it's it gets to be it can be scary anytime you start a new endeavor, but it doesn't, it doesn't look like that today. Brandon Handley 20:40 Turned out. So I got to imagine that you did a little bit of let go and let God in your life, what's that look like for you? Donna Tashjian 20:52 Let go and let God I'm the difference between having to control everything. And that is actually for me, at least when I want to control everything, it's because of fear. And, therefore, when I am trying to fix everything and, and make everything work the way I think it should, that's fear based. And that doesn't have a very good outcome when we make decisions from that place. But let go and let God is doing the best that I can with what I can do and and leave the rest to him. That's what it means to me. Brandon Handley 21:32 I like that. I like that. Definitely curious because again, you've got a, a deep a deep faith and what you're doing. So when you're when you're teaching these people, when you're teaching your clients how to, you know, create luggage, what is it, let's walk through some of what that might look like. Let's say for example, I've got some baggage and I want to create it in luggage, walk me through me walk me through the process. Donna Tashjian 21:59 Alright, well, this isn't going to be done in the next couple minutes, just so you know that. But one of the steps is I alluded to before is I call it building our understanding muscle. And that is is that in any adversity, there is a gift. I call them gifts wrapped in sandpaper, baggage thinking when something adversity happens is this isn't fair. This isn't right. This isn't just somebody needs to pay. That's baggage thinking. And when you're thinking that you get stuck in the baggage to repackage it into luggage, you begin to say, I can't change it, it happened. I'm going to use it to grow and become the best me I can be. So the first step is a gift wrapped in sandpaper. The second is learning to get support. The third is having compassion and forgiveness for others. that forgiveness is part of setting yourself free. So those are three steps to be able to build your understanding muscle. And that's one of the things simply and those could be talked about for a little while. Brandon Handley 23:15 Yeah, I mean, first of all the visual of gifts being wrapped in sandpaper, not as visual, I can feel it. Right. I'm like that. Yeah, it's the it's not even like the fine grain. It's, it's the stuff that will cut you if you don't handle it properly. Kind of sandpaper. Right? Donna Tashjian 23:29 Right. Right. Brandon Handley 23:33 And the idea of compassion and forgiveness and forgiveness so that you can, you know, set yourself free. I think that there's a misconception of what freedom is. And I think in this context, when you're setting people free, what would you say you're helping them to do? What are you setting them free of? Donna Tashjian 23:58 Well, when you say freedom, what are you thinking? Brandon Handley 24:02 I think these days, I'm thinking freedom from? In my own mind, right, like, letting my own internal bondages go and just, you know, recognizing something as self limiting, recognizing that I'm the person who wrapped the gift and sandpaper. Right? And so when I think that other people may think of freedom as like, Will I want to go out and do the things I want to do I want to be able to, you know, buy beer at 18 instead of 21 This isn't right I don't feel free I want to be liberated. And that's that's one type of freedom but I think that the the true freedom that you're teaching, at least my perspective would be is teaching people how to free their minds and their hearts. Donna Tashjian 24:57 Yeah, What that's what forgiveness does. One of the people that we often need to forgive is ourself. When we've gone through things, somehow we blame ourselves, we're very hard on ourselves. And when when we begin to forgive ourselves, it causes our eyes, if you will, to lift off of our feet, if you can look at that kind of picture person that's down, and they're looking at their feet, and you lift your eyes up, and you begin to know that this is not, this is a chapter in my book, not the whole book. And not to let it be that whole book. But freedom really is eternal in internal, not external. And if you I can't remember the man, he was a writer from he was in the Nazi concentration camps. And he talked about the freedom that Victor for Yes, yes, that quote that I'm going to misquote but you get the idea that, you know, the freedom is actually internal. And you can be free and, and he, in his estimation, inside the Nazi prison, he was, they couldn't take that away from him. But if he had held unforgiveness, he would have had that weight, and he would not have been as free. Forgiveness is a huge subject. And it means a lot of different things for a lot of different people. And I spend a lot of time helping people understand what that really is, and how that really works. But the biggest point I want to make is, is that you begin to look for something good in the midst of things, it lifts your eyes up, it changes the way your outcome is, because I'm no longer for me, I describe it as my pity party, where I'm feeling sorry for myself. And that doesn't get us anywhere. Winston Churchill, Churchill had a quote, for God's sake, if you're going through hell, for God's sake, keep going. And a lot of times we camp out in our disappointment, we build a tent, we build a house, and we're just going to stay here because this wasn't right. But it wasn't meant to be that way. Journey Through it, not stay in it. Brandon Handley 27:15 Yeah, that's fantastic. The right if you're, if you're in helps keep on going. Who wants to a lot, but you know, a lot of people, I think they feel like they've got to fight that fight. They've got to stay there. There's something for them to write by. And they feel vindicated by by saying they're in that space. And it's almost like a badge of honor. I'm in hell, nobody cares. I'm in hell. Right? Well keep your exits coming up. And keep them going. What is uh, you know, what's top of mind for you right now is like, kind of COVID going through what's your clients? You know, how's your client? Tell Ben through COVID? What are you seeing is helping people to get through this period right now. Donna Tashjian 28:01 Um, the main thing that COVID has done as far as what I'm involved in is it made people seek help that might not have before. But I personally is for in and there's been a lot of loss, not just necessarily life, but life changes that have occurred. And grief is a is definitely something that shows up to help people look through and work through. So that's probably the main areas of loss Ignis, it doesn't necessarily mean people have lost jobs, and people have lost what they consider freedom, and all kinds of situations for them to be able to move how learn how to move through that. And the other thing that has stuck for some of the people I've talked to is, they can get set if I'm not a fan of the news, because there's no good news. But if you watch that kind of thing, you can get stuck in hopelessness and fear. And so helping people to rise above that. Brandon Handley 29:11 Yeah, that's a big one. Do you advise that they turn the news off? Donna Tashjian 29:17 If it's causing them severe anxiety? Yes, absolutely. Brandon Handley 29:22 What's the typical reaction to something like that? Donna Tashjian 29:25 Most the time, they agree with me. If there's other ways of finding out what's going on, then sitting hours watching the news. Yeah, you don't need to do that to find out what you need to know to stay current. Sure. And so there's other means to do that. Brandon Handley 29:42 What do you recommend to to stay current for people that aren't going to watch the news? Donna Tashjian 29:48 There's different online outlets where you can read the captions to be able to do that. And if there's anything big going on there, friends, let them know Brandon Handley 30:00 I was curious. I mean, I think I heard maybe first through Tim Ferriss and not necessarily, you know, Tim Ferriss, you know, but the whole idea that once you turn the news off, now you've got like this great conversation, because your friends will come out and be like, did you hear about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? Like, I didn't tell me all about it. That's, now you've got now you've got a conversation, but Donna Tashjian 30:23 he will tell you, that is for sure. If there's something that you really need to know, somebody will tell you. Brandon Handley 30:31 For sure. What is I mean, is there something that what is something that maybe we haven't touched on so far that you'd want to share with our audience today? Donna Tashjian 30:44 I don't know, if there's anything else I've hit the most important parts is having them real look for the gift in situations to keep their eyes up to get support and help we're not meant to do this alone. And for me, I would encourage you to strengthen your faith, you know, strengthen that part of your life to be able to get through it. So those are some things for sure. Brandon Handley 31:15 I mean, I agree with that 100%, you know, find find that something bigger, greater in your life that we know exists, give it a name, whatever you feel like you need to and lean into that there's something there's something really in there was talking about the let go and let God thing earlier for me. You know, I devised a way where it made sense for me in my mind, and like, the weight fell right off, it was amazing. I was like, like, oh, wait, this, this makes sense. And so I think that that's super powerful to share. One of the things that I guess I'd love to touch on though, too, is is sharing kind of the benefits of connecting with spirituality and source and your greater self. What does that look like in action? Right? I mean, because I'm sure you've run into the occasional person who just doesn't see it yet, and can't feel it yet that just says, Well, that sounds great and ideal, but what's that? How's that going to help me? You know, with my day job? Donna Tashjian 32:19 So your question is, is how do we connect with God? Brandon Handley 32:22 The question is, you know, we're talking this ideal life that's available, right? This this, we're talking, stuffing into your greatness. We're talking, you know, accepting, accepting that we are great, and we've got these gifts to share. Okay. How do you help the person that just isn't seeing that yet, right? The the person's like, oh, yeah, but you still got to, you know, pay the bills, you still got to do the whatever, you still got to do some other working, you know, you don't just become great, just because you said so Donna. Donna Tashjian 32:56 I love that question. Um, I'm glad I asked what exactly you meant. Um, the, the key to it all is remember what we said freedom was, its internal. And so when I, when I have someone who feels hopeless, which is kind of what you were describing, I'm stuck in this dead end job. I don't feel great. I don't feel like I'm accomplishing anything. I don't know that I really even matter, perhaps. And helping them work on their internal beliefs and mindset would be the first step. Because you can't see. It's like, the world looks flat, I can't see what I can't see. And from where my perspective is, it's flat. That's what the world is. And so that just because that's all you can see, doesn't mean that's all there is. It's just what you can see right now. So what I help people do is to see more to be able to see the round of the Earth, so that they can see that there is more than your dead end job as you put it, or whatever limiting things that you feel like you're in your life, there's more to see. And I would help you see that that's what a coach does is help you see what you can't see yet. Brandon Handley 34:14 Thanks. Now, like I said, it's one of those I know that I've run up against it. And people, you know, the it's a challenge, right to just try and help them to understand, was it gonna help them do? Right? What, what exactly is it you're gonna help them do? So thank you for clarifying that for me. So, we're in a little spot of the podcast where I like to kind of think about what this is, is spiritual speed dating, right? Like there's somebody out there who's looking for their next spiritual hookup, as it were. And I have a question or two, I'm gonna go ahead and ask you along that line down. So okay. Spiritual Bachelorette number one. Why are so many people depressed? Donna Tashjian 34:59 Me Because what they're focusing on? Brandon Handley 35:03 What do you mean by that? Yeah. What do you mean by that? Donna Tashjian 35:07 Whatever you focus on you magnify whatever you focus on, you multiply. If I'm focusing on the lack that's in my life, anyone could be 15 minutes away from depression, if you start focusing on what's wrong in your life, your life is always filled with good and bad. Let's look at our neighborhood, there's good parts of our city. And there's parts it's not, there's great things about those jobs. And there's things that you don't like, in the house, you live you like this, but you don't like that. There's always a mixture of good things that we enjoy or we prefer, and things that we would prefer not. It's wherever you put your focus, that's what you're going to magnify and multiply in your life. So if you are, and the other thing is your focus also creates emotions, we think emotions just happen. But they happen by what I'm focusing on. So if I'm focusing on the negative and the lack of my life, I'm going to have negative emotions. If I choose to focus on what the blessings are in my life, finding things to be thankful for, and grateful for, that's the quickest way to pull you out of a depression or anxiety. Brandon Handley 36:18 Thought it sounds like you're saying I might feel to control my emotions, Donna Tashjian 36:22 just a bit. And I talked to women. So you know, I've got there's even more emotions we do is we do have more emotions. Yes. And I will, I will say it. And so teaching women, how not to be ruled by are my emotions, I can actually control them and rule them as well. Now, there are some chemical things going on in women's body that are different. I'm not going there. I'm just generalizing that where I put my focus, my feelings will follow that Brandon Handley 36:53 I think that's a great point. A lot of times we feel like, our emotions come before our thoughts, right, and what we're focusing on, but what you're saying again, here is that what you focus on what you're thinking about is what can help to drive those emotions. Donna Tashjian 37:08 Yes, absolutely. Brandon Handley 37:10 So let's try what are we also afraid of? Donna Tashjian 37:22 I think the most thing that if we really got down to are afraid of not belonging and being loved is probably one of the main things and the other things is I don't I want to matter, I want to somehow matter. And so I think that's probably the main thing. We want to be belong and be loved and matter. Brandon Handley 37:44 Yeah, that's I mean, that's, that's a big one. We want to feel like we're significant in some way, right? We're seeing for our contributions and the kind of like the truth of who we are, we want our greatness shining through. And sometimes we don't, may not feel like that it is and that can cause us to kind of definitely be upset and afraid to make the next step. Nobody's seen the the greatness is I'm contributing, nobody's seeing, you know, you know, the truth of who I am. And that can that can definitely make you afraid to step forward. So thought, who would you say is your ideal client? Right now? Donna Tashjian 38:25 My ideal client and I, I coach women. So that's first criteria. And the ideal client is someone who has had a painful past and disappointments. And they're feeling like they're stuck there. They just kind of keep showing up and they want them they want to move forward and create a life they've always dreamed that would be I wanted to make a comment about greatness since I've said that a lot of thought came to me with the last couple of comments you said, is a lot of times we think greatness is grandiose. And the most important thing that I want to get this across is greatness is just being you. That is great. And I wrote a blog, I'm probably not the first one to say it, but small hinges move big doors. Sometimes the small, we could change the world if everyone was kind, just being kind, it could transform our whole world. So it doesn't mean great doesn't mean grandiose necessarily, but just be you authentically, you can be kind it changes everything. Brandon Handley 39:42 That's a great it's a great point. I remember years ago when I first felt like I was quote, unquote, stepping into my greatness, just feeling all of who I am. Right. And that was it. It wasn't anything bigger or greater to just me Feeling true to myself? And I was at Dad convention dad 2.0 which is like a bunch of dad bloggers go to that. And I was asking him I said, Well, you know what's, what do you think is keeping you from your own greatness? What's keeping you from stepping you in into your greatness and people I think took it the same way that you're saying it right there. They will pool my to be great. Well, you're here to be great. is kind of how I would see that. So Thanks for Thanks for that clarification. Where should we send people to get a little more Donna Tashjian ties? Donna Tashjian 40:37 You did it. My website, my website will be the best place I'm also on social media so you can check you know, check me out on social media, but my website is I vibrant. living.com. Brandon Handley 40:51 Don, I want to say thanks for taking the time to stop on a podcast today. Really appreciate what it is that you're bringing out to the world helping us women to kind of get on stuck and really Unknown Speaker 41:03 hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove pocket. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove.co. You can also join the discussion on Facebook spiritual though, and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email Brandon at spiritual dope CO and as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don't forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time, be kind to yourself and trust your intuition.

Dr. Gianna Talone-Sullivan received her Doctorate in Pharmacy at the University of Southern California (USC). She then proceeded into corporate pharmacy where she practiced in the executive leadership realm of healthcare organizations, non-profit organizations, program development, marketing & board of directors development. In 1989 she experienced a Divine encounter which led her to leave her corporate career to fulfill a Mission she had been invited to develop.   ​ She founded a medical mobile health care clinic called Mission of Mercy (MOM) whose mission is to "restore dignity healing through Love." MOM is celebrating its 26 year of operation and is now a national charitable non-profit organization that provides free medical, dental, prescriptions, ancillary services and up to 12 free surgeries a year to the underserved population. She is the author of several books titled "I Am Your Jesus of Mercy" and is also the United States representative for the worldwide Armata Bianca Apostolate, which promotes the Fatima message to the children of the world.   In September 2020 she became a Certified Happiness Coach with Marci Shimoff's, Happiness for No Reason Program; 7 steps to being happy from the inside out. Marci Shimoff is a celebrated transformational leader and #1 New York Times bestselling coauthor of Chicken Soup for the Woman's Soul and a featured teacher in The Secret.   Gianna is available to inspire and fill your hearts with joy, peace, and clarity. https://www.fasttracktohappiness.com/ Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited as Bob process? Rest assured, you are not alone, the world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask. But he's the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:41 Hey, there's spiritual dope. I'm on here today with Dr. Jana to low Sullivan, who received her doctorate in Pharmacy at the University of Southern California. She then proceeded into corporate pharmacy where she practiced the executive leadership realm of healthcare organizations, nonprofit organizations, program development, marketing and Board of Directors development. In 1989, she experienced the divine encounter which led her to leave her corporate career to fulfill a mission she'd been invited to develop. She founded a medical mobile health clinic called Mission of Mercy, whose mission is to restore dignity healing through love. Marlon celebrating his 26th year of operation is now a national, charitable, nonprofit organization that provides free medical, dental, dental, and prescriptions and ancillary services and up to 12 Free surgeries a year to the underserved population, sees the author of several books titled I am your Jesus of mercy and is also the United States representative for the worldwide Armada by Bianca apostolate was for most the Fatima message to the children of the world. On top of this, she is also a happiness coach. And we'll dig into some of that. I am so happy to have you here with us today. Gianna Sullivan 2:00 John, how are you? I'm great. Now that I'm on your show, Brandon, thank you for having me. Welcome to all your your fans who are joining us today. It's quite an honor. And so very privileged, Brandon Handley 2:16 fantastic, me as well, you know, kind of this privilege to even be able to have the platform and be able to hop on and share it out. So I like to start these off with the whole idea that you and I are vessels for Source Energy, right? Like, you know, there's something out there that or even within us that we're connected to, that can only be expressed in like a certain way. And oftentimes when when we're having this conversation, there's something coming through you today, John, that can only, like, be delivered through this platform to an end listener that needs this message. What is that message today? Gianna Sullivan 3:00 Well, if you had asked if we were to join, maybe, you know, a few months ago or something, maybe it would have been different. But today, I would say how could anyone see that there isn't a storm? If you know what I mean? Arising I mean, there's something near I think we're all feeling it. We're all being restricted on various levels. And that controls that are there are many controls that are being placed on not only locally, but peoples of all countries. And so I'm just wondering who's behind this outrageous manipulation that's telling people threatening people what they can or cannot do. And, and whoever it is, is behind liberal political, medical, spiritual leaders. They're just mandating all these different types of restrictions. And a lot of people are frightened by that. A lot of them are angry by that. So it's just not the President's or something. Something bigger, something else is behind this. And you know, who's telling social media to go out there. And these big giants who are spending millions of dollars to promote misinformation, and even to get certain people elected? Who is I guess, it's a storm that I see that sneering and who is behind this media, this mainstream media mean? And then I could even go into immigration. I can even talk to you about that. I mean, who's who's driving and profiting from the chaos and injustice? Right. They're from all fonts of, of immigration. If you look at it, so you got health care workers, you've got first responders, you've got teachers, you've got policies. You know, even law enforcement professionals, people are asked to resign people are leaving. I don't know. There's I just sense that there's a storm arising. Brandon Handley 5:35 Yeah. Hey, I mean, it's it's we're living in some some really interesting times. I would I would not hesitate to say, and I know that I've said it before. I feel like we're living in the, in the midst of a revolution. Right. I think that. And within revolution, there's also revolt. Right? There's going to be most likely and there already has been I think that we're seeing some type of revolts. We're seeing revolts right now within the workforce, right, the great resignation, there's a there's a revolt. And within revolution, we also need to think of that the cycle, right? of you know, whatever's happening right now, our past we're really trying to disentangle from that and move forward. And I think to your point, there's a lot of new puppet mastering going on to try and maintain the grasp, by instilling fear by saying, oh, you know, you people over here, you got to stay here, you people over here, you've got to do this, you've got to you can't, you can't visit these people. Right? Oh, here's like the top five places you can't visit, right, and really just kind of a tremendous fear tactic that's being media driven, and all this other stuff. 100% there is a storm, a foreman, and I think that we're definitely in the midst of it. You know, all that being said, John, I mean, your happiness Coach, how do we how do we, you know, find ourselves let's, let's talk a little bit about your journey. Right, let's talk a bit about your journey. And then, at some point, let's lean into the idea that, you know, all this is going on? I'm hoping you say yes to this. But can we still find happiness in all these things that are going on? Gianna Sullivan 7:24 So, okay, so even in the midst of a storm, I mean, there's various ways to look at all of this, okay? We know for a fact that genetically, we are composed. And born with happiness, we that's been proven scientifically. So if you looked at a pie chart, 50% of our happiness is genetic. And then the other 40% Are your habits, how you're brought up what you've been exposed to your neural path, pathway, pathological cellular pathways, I mean, all of that is, can either be positive or negative, and then that's 90%, right there that 40% was, you know, positive, that would be 90% 50. And 40%, happy would be 90%. But that 40% is the issue, the other 10% to make the 100% is really issues in your life that are transitional. Yeah. I mean, if you're not going to be happy, 100% all the time. It's always how you react, what your emotion is what you can do to cross check yourself. On, I mean, you there are points in your thought processes that you can change. So we know for a fact that we have 60,000 thoughts a day. And we also know that tomorrow, you will have 95% of the same thoughts that you had yesterday will be the same thoughts a few bad today that Did you know that now checking your thoughts, think about it, you're gonna have the same thoughts or things that we're always kind of thinking about. So if there are 95% of the thoughts that you had yesterday, the same day, then we're being robbed of happiness, just based off the things that we're thinking, Brandon Handley 9:29 Alright. Let's, um, let's, I definitely want to dig into it. Right. I want to talk a little bit about your journey into this space, though. So so, you know, even first and foremost, right? With the amount of time that we have, definitely want to understand, you know, you you were in your work in the corporate life, yeah, doing the, you know, nine to five or as we know, corporates can be like, you know, 6080 hours a week, you know, just kind of like this life suck, especially as you're trying to propel yourself into This this, the things everybody tells us that we're supposed to want. Right. And then you had a divine encounter, which inspired you to leave your your corporate gig. And I love that, you know, I don't know if this is on purpose in your webpage, but you were led to fulfill a capitalized mission. Love to hear more about that, and then just kind of how that integrates. And let's work our way up to some happiness pieces that we can share out. Gianna Sullivan 10:32 So I was vice president of a major health care company. And really, I enjoyed that position tremendously. I was very much of a yuppie. And so born and raised Arizona, got my BA in chemistry at ASU went off to California. And I got my doctorate and did my internships and at clerkships, UCLA. I mean, I was a yuppie, all the way enjoyed it all, took my boards, pass them and went right into administrative work and stuff like that. So I thoroughly enjoy I still love pharmacy is my profession for 36 years, but I, you know, I was at the top of my career is how I really would say it. And yes, I did, I did have a divine encounter. And it was an amazing experience. It mean, regardless of your religion, I can only enlighten it. I mean, yeah, to something like St. Paul, you know, like the scales fall off your eyes. It was like, all of a sudden, I had this illumination, enlightenment of body, mind and soul. And I was invited by God. And when you have a divine encounter, I can tell you, Brandon, you there's no way you can fake this. I mean, it will last for you forever, you will never forget the moment and what happens to you. So that I was invited by God to leave my current position as I knew it. And then to help the Lord. restore dignity, healing through his love. And now he didn't give me the tools how to do that. But medicine being my background in health care. That's why I chose the name Misha mercy. And the only key was I was going to them, they weren't to come to me. So I started a medical mobile clinic to go out to them. We started with like six volunteers and took a while to get it, you know, you have to do your research geographical area and, and people just don't buy into what you're doing. So did take time and you take baby steps, the steps. And so that's what happened. Then I took the plunge and purchased an RV. That was like $40,000 for $2,000. I only had $2,000 in my account. And then two weeks later, a benefactor came and paid it in full. And then we were able to they meaning the group that I got together about a few of us that we were able to furnish refurbish the mobile, RV to a mobile clinic. And that's how it started. This is was us. 20 stat. 27 years ago. Now we're national nonprofit. Brandon Handley 13:50 I think I think that's fantastic. Let's talk a little bit about the you know, we can talk a little bit about that experience that you had, but it's been my it's hard to translate, right? It's like you said, you know, it's something you can't fake. Right? Gianna Sullivan 14:09 You and leave your job for the amount of money I was getting to get nothing. Brandon Handley 14:14 Well, you know, let's talk about that. That too. Right. So the whole the whole I'm not, I'm not a biblical scholar. But there's the whole idea of sell everything give it away or let go of it and move on to this next piece. Right sounds kind of like yeah, that's what you did you like you You went all in Who you talking to about this vision? And what what are people saying to you and how do you kind of move past that? Gianna Sullivan 14:41 Well, I talked to everybody about the vision and and then I had a few friends that I knew that incorporated the company and started in Arizona actually 91 and then by I moved to the Pennsylvania Maryland area in 93 and then 94 actually launched in the Maryland area. And so yeah, that the the whole mission statement, I'm not afraid to talk about God or the reality of that. And, and the idea of restoring dignity Healing Through love is and I never was financially compensated all these years, I worked part time in different pharmacy jobs to support myself. But the idea is you you need to give without seeking constellation in return in the joy of that, whether it's a listening ear or a hug or a smile. It's It's amazing. So we just believe the mission of mission, Mercy believes that the moment you give, is the moment you actually received. Brandon Handley 15:47 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot there's definitely a lot in the giving, right. The took a course, I think it was the Indian School of Business. And one of the one of the pieces that we had to do was, it wasn't just to kind of, I don't know, if you've ever done these kind of pay it forward, things were like, hey, whoever's behind me want to buy them a cup of coffee, but I don't want to see it, don't tell who it was. And you kind of sneak out of there, right? You don't want you to like peekaboo. And you're, and then instead of doing that, they said, stay there and witness it. Right? Because it's that giving that gift and seeing the suction that to me is is very rewarding. And I never really had had that experience before. So you know, definitely in giving gifts and and giving, but like, just the reward of giving something and seeing somebody truly appreciate it and enjoy it unexpectedly. Right, that gift of giving. Yeah. And then, you know, you the other part, too, is is giving without the expectation to get something back, knowing that your whatever you're doing, you're doing it from your heart and not with an expectation of return is that exactly in line with where you're at, Gianna Sullivan 17:04 there are three, three levels of giving. One is you give because we have an obligation, there was something that needs to be done with our economy or population or whatever. For something like government, we have to do something about the issue. That's one level given the second level giving is you give and you volunteer, let's say because it makes you feel good. But then there's the third level, which is the level that I congratulate all the volunteers that mission mercy or any other organization is that you give without seeking compensation in return. Right, because you are the fiber, then you are joining you are, you're part of a family. You don't do something to feel good, or get paid to do something not out of obligation. But you do something, because you're just you're that family, you, you have a big heart, and you want to give people hope. And you want to extend the love to make them feel valued. So whether you see one person in a day, or 100 people, or more than that in a day, you treat each of those people as if they're the most important person, each person is if they're the most important person that comes to you that day. You they need to be valued and they need to feel loved. They need they'll know if you're authentic or not. Right. Brandon Handley 18:40 Now, yeah, you can't fake it. And you'll know, right? You'll feel it in yourself. If you're faking it, it's kind of like a It's kind like a faded copy of the real thing. So one of my questions, those as you're heating this calling, what was there any fear involved of what people might think of what you're doing? Have some of those conversations again, you said your top of your career, and you said, You know what? I got this other thing I got to do, delivered by God. It's in my heart. I know it's the right thing to do. What's the response from people who are close to you? Gianna Sullivan 19:25 Pretty amazing. And, you know, you become a loner. And there are a few that will stay by you. Maybe your family won't even stay by you have to have a conviction that stronger than that and and trusting God that what was told will unfold. And do you have to have that belief and faith and, and trust. So we all have that power. We're all empowered with self reliance and God. So it was it fee, I remember people leaving some money on my screen to pay my electricity bill. So it got to a point where it was a little. Yeah. Just doesn't happen right away. I mean, you have to work through the process. So, but it did turn around and things started slowly in a positive direction. Brandon Handley 20:30 Right. And I just want people to hear that, right. I mean, because we still have, I think, this tribal instinct to not get thrown out of the tribe. For eight. If I if I get thrown out of the tribe, I'm on my own. The bears and the lions are gonna eat me, and I'm not gonna be able to do it. So I better stick with these guys, even though I've got this thing on my heart. And what you're talking about is, you know, kind of leaning into it, like you said, Trust that process. Follow what you believe to be true. And nobody else needs to believe what's on your heart except for yourself. Is that fair to say? Gianna Sullivan 21:07 God, it will happen. If it isn't, then it will. How do you know it takes you just have to walk the process. You have to? I mean, there's certain things I mean, as a health care provider, I knew what needed to be done as a health care provider. If you're starting a medical mobile clinic, you know that things need to be done. You know that there's research geographically, you need to know where the need is, you need to know if there's, you know, if there's any where you have to learn about benefactors. I mean, you have to do your your homework investigation. And if you're starting a nonprofit, and I was in Arizona at that time, let me tell you, Arizona, full full of nonprofits, it's a competitive competition area, you got the heart sociation, you got the kidney, you got me everyone is competitive. And they are big time donors. So if you're trying to start a nonprofit, you know, people just companies just don't give to nonprofit unless you can show or prove that you have a track record. Okay, so you have to build up your clientele. Or you have to find the right benefactor who believes so much in your passion that they give because of what you believe, and they buy into what you love. And then that's what happened with me. And my first $100,000 came from a benefactor in Arizona. Brandon Handley 22:46 Yeah, I mean, I think that it makes sense, right? If you're, if you're talking from the heart, and this is something that you believe you've done your work, you're gonna you know, I hate to say Providence, right, especially in the work that you're doing, but you kind of understand that that's possible. And even to your point where there's going to be taught, there's the possibility where somebody is leaving money on your screen for the electricity, you know, water, what are you thinking in, in? In that, when that's happening? Are you thinking, oh, man, I'm gonna have to get back into work, I'm gonna have to do this thing I can't keep going on? Or are you still open to faith and belief in that time? Just to talk to me a little bit about getting through those times humiliating, Gianna Sullivan 23:30 okay, you're making six figures, and then you drop down and nothing. Chris, you have some money, of course saved or whatever to live off of. But the fact is, if your life is totally changing, and you're not networking within that type of business, then you're trying to launch something else. You got, you've got homework to do, and you've got to self check yourself. So a lot of people who believe if you have a divine encounter, that you've got it made that you know, everything is going to be flower, no, just perfect for you. That's not true. That's not true. I mean, God might give you a divine mission or even a message, but that doesn't mean that you're going to have your whole outlook in your private life. All explained and outlined for you, okay? So if anything, you have to be strong enough. Pray. As for me, I'm Catholic. So sacraments are important. Going to Mass every day praying the rosary, those things are fundamental, very critical. And then you have to be the light for others. Even if you don't feel like being the Liferay even if you don't feel good. There are people out there that don't feel good either. But maybe it's it's your light that makes somebody else feel better. Everyone wants to be loved. Okay, not and I'll tell you my family didn't really jump on board. It took us A couple more than a couple years, few years, several years to finally jump on board. So, alright, so is it a walk you walk alone? Well, if you believe that you live your life alone, and you don't believe God's with you walking that life with you, then, you know, I would regroup with yourself and know that you're never alone. You're never alone. Brandon Handley 25:26 Yeah, I mean, that's, that's a big message from you know, spiritual dope podcast, right? It's big messages. You know, what you're talking about is, it's available to everybody. Right? It's a boils down to a choice and the decision whether or not to accept that into your life. And then once you do you find exactly what you said, you're not alone. Can you bet you maybe you've been trying to do it alone your entire life. But but then it boils down to a point of like, alright, well, apparently, there's something out there that that can help me. Right. And, and leaning into accepting that divine grace and accepting divinity and accepting that try to go at it alone. Even in any way, shape, or form, it's almost, it's almost full foolishness, right? To kind of think about it that way. So I appreciate you sharing, you know, kind of what that walk is like, right? Because I think that it's very important. I think that it's important to heed your calling, right? What is your calling to lean into it and to know that while there may be some areas of challenge that sounds like you know, you're living the life that you feel is driven by purpose, and you're doing it with intent, with love and kindness, and caring? And while you may have enjoyed your job, as a VP, would you say that this is more fulfilling for Gianna Sullivan 26:52 you? Oh, my gosh, yeah, sure. Sure. Even you can even there's no measurement. It's timeless. It's the it's the fulfillment is is beyond is just, I mean, now, it's been so many years, it's just here, it doesn't matter what what work I do. My outlook is always to serve the most vulnerable or to help the underserved population or to help to general anybody who is hurting, and just needs to be refocused. Yeah, you know, if you're Christian anyway, if you're Christian, don't believe that Christ died for you. And then you're saying you're alone? Or you're, you know, then is almost blasphemous. How you Why would he? You know, what? The purpose being Franklin, if, if, if you don't believe in resurrection in our life, and there is a there's a real guy stand, for sure. So people think that if you don't see it, then it's not true. But now there's a lot of things you see and you think is true. A true? Brandon Handley 28:08 Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. I think I think too, you know, what we see less than 1% of the visible frequency, we hear less than 1% of, you know, the, you know, sound waves out there. I wouldn't be super surprised if, you know, we're walking through, you know, we'll call it like, bodyless souls or something, right? Like, you know, something like that. So, just because we can't see it doesn't mean that is not there. Just because we can't hear it doesn't mean that something's not talking to us. So I get it, you know, Gianna Sullivan 28:44 purposes. Me it. You know, the Lord says, where your heart is there to is your treasure. If you have that flame in your heart going, keep it tight, so nothing blows out that flame. Brandon Handley 29:01 Right? Yeah. I love it. I love it. Well, I want to I want to jump forward a little bit into your happiness work, your happiness coaching. So you're doing this you got your hands full with running when running this program running mom. Now, what makes you decide to now pick up and lean into happiness coaching? Gianna Sullivan 29:24 Well, I actually when I was on mission, mercy I was I witnessed a lot of people who are very happy coming on board and being treated getting free prescriptions, free health care, free ancillary services, etc. free dental care. But that was the happiness. That was a relief for them. But interiorly more in debt in debt it within them was something still lacking. And so I wanted to them to know, you know how valued they really are, and how whole you can be and how you look at a circumstance, there is a happiness continuum. And so we can control our thoughts we can either be Teflon or Velcro, we have a way to, we know, our thoughts and our outcomes and how we interact, how we treat ourselves how we can temper our thoughts and our emotions can really make a difference today. And so I wanted to take the extra step. And in that is the spiritual component. So some people that I do happiness coaching with has the spiritual component, they want that spiritual component. And then there's the more secular just wanting to know the principles of the fast track to happiness or seven level appears like a house, there are seven cores to it. But the most two important one is, you know, the the foundation being held accountable, understanding what's happening, where's your mind, whereas your thoughts, and then after, can grasp that you move on to the heart, to the soul to relationships, you know, there's a roof, it's like a house. So each one is different, you can't do everyone in an hour, you know, you'd have to take the full Brandon Handley 31:29 class. know for sure. So I mean, you've got let's, let's touch on the the seven pillars, right that you've got there, you touched on a little bit, but let's just kind of talk talk through them. And maybe, let's talk a little bit about how people are able to find pockets of happiness amidst the storm that we are talking about. Gianna Sullivan 31:50 Okay, so that one is, okay. So the whole purpose of what something like this would be is, you want to learn some practical tools that you can use that you can every day, immediately try and raise your happiness level. Okay? So you want to try and understand what that key is to create a foundation of happiness. The idea of the happiness that I try and teach is happiness from the inside out. Happiness is a state of being, it's not something that happens that causes you happiness, the true happiness that I try and teach is happiness is a state of being, regardless of the circumstances that happen within your life. Now, again, Brendon is not like, I would tell you that if any, whatever, you might have a bad day. Okay, so does that mean that you know, you're gonna Oh, just be so chipper? No, I mean, you know, there's a way to look at things there's, there's, there is a connection that you can click on, in, in this happiness forum, there is feelings of contraction, you know, are you feeling resistance or fear? Or are you malaise? You know, there's a feeling of separation? That's something can contraction, you know, you're not feeling good? Or are you being expanded expansion is a big thing. You know, are you optim mystic Are you know, feeling flow well, being ease? Creativity, you're feeling good. So you're Oh, those are your tools of magnets one way or the other, that you can figure out if, if you're on the right course. So always, no matter what your sentiment is, double check your thoughts, feelings by expansion, or contraction. Okay, so because your brain has neural pathways, and those neuro habits are things that will give you different emotions, it's like addictions, you know? And that's why they say, Well, you know, I have a problem and you're going to go to whatever rehab or wherever it is, that 30 day process, they say it takes 20 to 30 days, is because you have these neural pathways in your brain chemicals. And so once you start thinking and a one way, then that becomes a habit, and then you start thinking that way and thinking that way and thing, and it becomes a natural habit, where it's always a negative, negative, and that's happens a lot with substance abuse. It's a natural response, because that's all they've been trained to do. And so you have to get out of that. You have to train your brain to think differently, different neural pathways different cellular membranes that memory pathways that will help train you to think opposite positive. And until that becomes the ordinary way of your thinking. So it takes about, you know, 2030 days, it doesn't happen overnight. So some people use a rubber band that when they think a negative thought, you say, hey, stop, and then you just distract yourself or think of something. So it's uncomfortable a little bit in the beginning until you get your, your, you know, roll on format of what it is. Some people I tell, go look at yourself in the mirror, and every day for 20 days, for one minute or two minutes, I want you to say how I'm beautiful, I'm intelligent, I'm, I'm handsome. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, creative, I help people, whatever. Yeah, I love my mom, I love my dad, I love you know, little kids have no problem doing that, you know, and they'll even clap their hands and do a dance as they're doing it. So we have to learn to love ourselves and be comfortable with ourselves, even when we don't feel good about ourselves, we can understand that there is a challenge or something happening out there. Well, it doesn't mean we can't change it, but we can certainly change our attitude about it. So the pillars are, you know, like I said, it's, I call it the home of happiness. Okay. So the top is your life purposes is the roof. Do you want me to continue on? Did you want to say some? Brandon Handley 36:42 Looking for the mute button. I'll tell you what, let's let's walk through, right, let's walk through it, because I want to make sure that we talk about the pillars and definitely got thoughts and things we could talk about. But I just want to make sure that we leave time to walk through these pillars. And maybe we'll talk a little bit about those. Okay, Gianna Sullivan 37:00 I don't want to go through every single one of them because they take too long. Brandon Handley 37:04 Yeah, no, no, just hit them on a high level. John. Okay. Gianna Sullivan 37:08 So are we on mute? Are we so Brandon Handley 37:11 we're on the go? Gianna Sullivan 37:17 Here Amazing how you doing? Okay, so you had the life purpose, we had a roof over our heads, you know, we don't want a leaky roof. You know, in a hurricane situation, I think we have a roof over our head, right? So, do we have a roof, we look at that, then we have our mind, their pillars mind, our mind, our thoughts, our heart, our heart is the key, the key to the soul. And where, like I said, Where your treasure is there too as you're okay. And then we're the body. Of course, that is if your body is in alignment, you know, quantum light, even you know, a lot of people do yoga and stretch, but the body is important to balance. So and then there's the soul. And the soul is your deep intimacy with God. And different relations, I mean, different religions. So it is your overall essence of who you are and your soul being free. Because it's captive within your body. So that soul lives forever, and you make a choice of where your soul goes. So then there's CEUs 12345, okay, then there's the responsibility that we call the foundation to the house. So that means being held accountable for some of the things that you do or not do, okay? So you, you want to be held accountable for things that you have done. And we look at that. And then there's the last is the, the garden of the house, the garden is your relationships, and how you choose them. And whether you desire or not, it's important to choose what is purposeful for not only you but for the other party. Pretty much that's it in an in a nutshell. So the idea is that we try and teach to do what you love and love what you do. And, sure, Brandon Handley 39:41 I mean, I think one of the one of these pieces that I know that I personally struggled with in the past so every once in a while struggle with is you know, is that roof, right? You know, like you've done you found your passion and you're following your inspiration and your serving others. How, what are some ways that you teach people to find their purpose? Gianna Sullivan 40:12 Well, everyone has a dream. And there's a way to live your dream. And you have to embrace your desires. And based off your dreams and desires, you try and seek to fulfill them, and find out what that channel is to do it. And remember, you have to use that continuum happiness chart thing I said, the expansion contraction. If you're really unhappy, if you're doing something that you're expanding and embracing and wanting to do, you'll be pretty low spirited, you know, if you're happy, well, let's put it this way, you could be happy for bad reasons. And that happiness is if you're using unhealthy things to just make you an antidote to make you kind of feel externally happy. But then there is the other happiness, which is, you have a happy for a good, good reason. And that's really the satisfaction of what you're doing, you're healthy, you have healthy expectations. And that then starts moving over to the real and which my desire for people is to have happiness with no reason at all, regardless of what ever is, you have an interior piece. And even if there is a storm, it will balance back because you know, the practices to put in place to maintain that equity and equanimity. Brandon Handley 41:55 Last little, wasn't that one I was tripped over? No, no worries, no worries. I think that that I mean, I think that's great. I think that, you know, trying to understand what your purpose is. And using using that contraction, expansion feeling to kind of be your guiding principle is what I'm hearing you say, right? You know, and like, do I feel like I'm expanding and opening my heart, right? To what it is, I'm doing my feeling in touch with God source universe with this work that I'm doing, or is what I'm doing, kind of eating me alive, right contraction, and just kind of making me shrink and, and not live to the fullest of who I am. And when I when I read a little bit on the pillar of the body, you talk about making yourself happy, nourish your body, energize your body, tune into your body's wisdom, but I'm just curious, if you're also talking about the idea of getting these expansive thoughts in our neural pathways and our body being the alchemical, you know, producer that it is, right. And when we have these good or more positive thoughts, we're creating positive nutrients for ourselves, that our cells become addicted to those positive cells. So in the same way, they would become addicted to the negative energy, right? But just different chemicals, is that what you're saying? Gianna Sullivan 43:24 And the body component will, if you're healthy, will feed into that the the cellular neural path pathways that we were talking about is really the mind aspect that goes into behavior. And you know, attitude is always a big thing to happiness. So if you have a good attitude, you know, it's expected to that if you have a good attitude, it'll happiness will come. But beyond that, the behavior and the neural pathways, the cellular negative responses that happen and how you can create new neural pathways. That is, it might be a conscious effort in the beginning, but then later on, it will just become a normal response. It's a cellular memory that happens. And then it just unconsciously clicks in. So it kind of combines with the brain as always being the big thing because you're always thinking negative thoughts from the day before. Once you can cap that. That's why we start with the the foundation of what's happened to you and then your mind what's going on there. Then as it goes to your heart and blossoms. You find out how much empowerment that you have in your love that can turn something positive, or something hatreds, almost satanic. It's amazing. From water, I teach about water theory from the major scientists, Brandon Handley 44:57 the Hmong Emoto Yeah, when he's done Gianna Sullivan 45:01 the, the water experiences of ice and stuff that kids will just put their heart and good things and you get this beautiful image and negative is almost like disgust. And then, but then then you get to the body. So by the time you get to the body, you're already practicing, you got your mind, and you got your heart. So it's already like the infusion of a fiber that just kind of flows because, you know, everyone knows if you exercise or stretch or whether even walk or anything like that, what kind of a beat your, you know, circulation and kind of get you going makes you feel high. So, then then, then that's how then to the soul is, then it's just a combination of, of absorption of God's love. And you're able to receive abundantly. Brandon Handley 45:57 Yeah, no, I'm in right, definitely in a love it. Definitely, I think that the work that you're doing both with your mom and with your happiness, work, you've got a great passion for it, it comes through, I'm enjoying the conversation, for sure. Unfortunately, we have to kind of dial it down and work our way out. So to that end, jhana what I usually like to do is get around to the whole idea that this is kind of like a spiritual speed dating show, right? And then somebody is going to tune in and be like, you know, should I should I work with Gianna and you know, the the way you answer one or two of these questions, spiritual Bachelorette number one, it could be you know, this could put it all on the line. So let's just pick a random one. And I think this is a good one. I don't ask too many people who define themselves as Christians this question. So I think it's a good one. Is current religion serving its purpose? Now feel free to expand? Gianna Sullivan 47:02 Well, I think with the COVID. And what's happened, I think a lot of I'm really disappointed in how a lot of the pastors and religious people have downsized it, and we're afraid even missionaries, you know, no one wanted to touch some, everyone's afraid to be with one. If God exists and is with you, then where is your faith and trust? So I think things could have been worked a little better. I think the element of fear and media has caused a tremendous impact. And I'm disappointed I'm on that. So that would be my answer. I don't think it it could serve better. I hope it does get better. Brandon Handley 47:45 Fair enough. Would you say that there's a kind of an erosion of faith then and in this in this crisis, where, you know, if you are truly of faith, then you act that way. I guess it's, Gianna Sullivan 47:58 again, it's fear. And why does that fear come in there? Why did you? Okay, so something happens and Okay, me, it says, You got this, this is like, plague or whatever. And then okay, lets everyone freak out, get it, get the vaccination, without doing any research, no, FDA approved, nothing to understand what it is. And now we just found out you in Maryland, 40% of the people just recently have died of COVID from being fully vaccinated. So because the free cells, the T cells that are free are bound in so they can't fight your immune, they can't fight the in fact, yeah. But anyway, so it's fear. Now, think about it. If you're rational, and you're going to do some, you know, stop, just look at it. Okay? Just, you know, take precautions, and just Alright, let's look at it, and research it, find out information, learn about the pharmaceutical, so that that caused a lot of problems from fear for religion. Unbelievable. It was just amazing. And I I, personally, I'm disappointed on that. Brandon Handley 49:22 Now, Fair enough, fair enough. That did not go the way that I thought that it may. And that's, that's great, right? I mean, that's part of the reason for these conversations. Let's see. Let's go with what is it that prevents people from living to their full potential Gianna Sullivan 49:42 lack of self love, lack of trust and confidence. You have to be confident not only in yourself, people see if you if people want what you have if you're the light of God. So part of that confidence. You may not have all the answers yours, but you are a spiritual person of prayer and love. Yeah, Brandon Handley 50:09 I mean, and I guess accepting that, you know, the church child, oh god, is that one way that you can begin to live to the fullest of your potential? Which is absolutely Gianna Sullivan 50:22 I mean, self love, you have to be kind to yourself, when people are not counting to themselves. They're overworked, they're underpaid, or now they have to resign. Now they're pressured. I mean, what where does it? Where does it end to? That's why I think the storms coming is like you said, there are people are ready to revolt. There. There are people that know something's not right here. And there are people Danford that truth. Right, Brandon Handley 50:51 right. Now it's true. All that being said, we do know that we can find pockets of happiness, we do know that there's somebody that they can reach out to, to, to try to understand what is it you know, so maybe, maybe you feel like you're down? Or you're out? Maybe you feel like you're in such in such a situation? I guess a good question, John. It was like, you know, who would you say right now, is your ideal client for this happiness coaching space. Gianna Sullivan 51:18 Anyone who has a question, anyone that just desire, openness to to really be fulfilled in life, it's a freedom. It's, it's a freedom of peace. It's amazing. And that's not to say negative things would happen. But it's how you react to is how you think the process is how you work the process. And ultimately, it's it's you. It's it's all about you. Okay, it's not about me. I'm happy. Brandon Handley 51:54 Not it's I think, to your point, right. It's, it's, you've been given all the tools, but you may not know how to use them. Gianna Sullivan 52:03 We all have those gifts. Who doesn't have a gift? You have a gift, Brandon, that I I would like to have? And maybe I have a gift that you want to have? The puzzle needs everybody to complete it. Brandon Handley 52:16 Right? No, I agree. John, there's been a lot of fun, really appreciate our, you know, our ability to connect here today. Where can I send people to find out more about you in the work that you're doing today, Gianna Sullivan 52:30 you can go to fast track to happiness.com. And that's one way. Or there's another website, the spiritual component as some people want is Our Lady of emmetsburg.com is another way they're, they're both linked together under fast track to happiness. Some people want more spiritual, some people want like the tools. So sure. Brandon Handley 52:57 No, I get it. I get it. Well, fantastic. I think that the work that you're doing is amazing. And, you know, keep it up. You're, I think an inspiration to a lot of people. Gianna Sullivan 53:05 Are you Brandon, thank you for the time. And thanks for all your listeners, you know, thrilled. Really, pleasure and honor. Thanks. I Unknown Speaker 53:16 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dope podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual co you can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual dough, and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email through Brandon at spiritual Co Co. And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This concludes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don't forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. 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Spirituality encompasses the light and the dark… with the darkness meaning your shadows… without exploration, you may never uncover your truth. ⁠ ⁠ Join me this weekend with Milagros Phillips as we have an open conversation regarding spirituality, race, and more.⁠ ⁠ Racism is one of the most divisive issues in America today. From Charlottesville, VA to Ferguson, MO, tensions about race relations are high. ⁠ ⁠ There are many people who feel that racism is too sensitive a topic to discuss, but if we don't have the conversation around racism, how do people know what is acceptable and what isn't? ⁠ ⁠ This is an issue that will not disappear on its own or through silence.⁠ Connect with Milagros here: https://www.milagrosphillips.com/ and here: https://www.instagram.com/theracehealer/ The below is a machine transcript from otter.ai and has not been edited: Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you, this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:41 Hey, there's spiritual dope. I'm on here today with Milagros Phillips and she is affectionately known as the race healer. logros has been facilitating programs for over 35 years on race literacy, racial conditioning and healing from racism that inform transform and lead to inspired action. Programs are presented at educational institutions, fortune 100, companies, corporations and public courses seminars, a keynote speaker TEDx presenter, three times author or four times four time author, and certified coach for logros fourth book cracking the healers code, a prescription for healing racism and finding wholeness has been, it's been released recently, and we'll lagosians work comes from lived experience and is backed by historical and scientific research. It comes from walking through the shadow to find her light and in the process helping others find theirs. What she brings to this work is great compassion, a deep understanding of race and an awareness of people's individual and collective power. Waters. I'm gonna I'm gonna direct everybody else. So to your website to get the rest of your bio there. I think that should get us get us fired up there. Milagro Phillips 1:53 How are you doing? I'm doing well. Thank you. Thank you so much for inviting me to be here to have this conversation with you. Brandon Handley 2:00 Absolutely, definitely looking forward to it. So I usually like to start these off with the whole idea that you know, you and I are kind of vessels for Source Energy, right? Call it what you want. And the idea is that somebody tuning into this podcast today that's going to hear a message that made specifically for them, it's going to be delivered through you. And it can only be delivered through you at this time in this place. What is that message today? That we're one human family, and we have a history that has never been healed? has barely been told, that gets in the way of us being that one human family that one global village. I really like that concept. It's funny. My children had a course called I think they went to a school called like the global village. This last year they did at home. Courtney didn't go into school traditionally, right. So they did at home studies. And that was the the coursework that they did. And you know, it's a global village, right. I mean, how else? How else could we look at it? And I guess that that's a little bit about what we'll be talking about today. Right? I mean, I'd love to just kind of, you know, talk to you about some of the work that you you're doing. Let's talk about how you became to be known as the race healer, which we'll just start right there. Milagro Phillips 3:29 Sure. Yeah, I was having a conversation with a friend about my work. And he said to me, Oh, you're here to be hunted if you're here to be one of the human race healers. And so we joked about how you know, the acronym was HRH, and which of course, he was like, of course, you know, Her Royal Highness, that would be you. Right. So so we got rid of the human piece. We just left it as race healer. And he kept calling me that and I really resisted that, you know, that title for a very long time. And then I finally I actually went to, to New York to have some work done on my website. And one of the women that was working on the website said, Well seems to meet your race healer. And I was like, okay, message from spirit. You're hearing it more than once you probably pay attention. And so to that became my nickname the race healer. Brandon Handley 4:42 Yeah, I mean, what what was your resistance to it? Like, who Milagro Phillips 4:46 am I to have a title like that? You know, I mean, I There have been things in my life that I've resisted like, when it comes to this work. For instance, I got my calling when I was 13 years old, the day that Dr. King died And, and I talked about that in the book, I locked myself in the bathroom to cry and my father kept knocking on the door and going okay in there. And I, you know, I keep saying, Yeah, I'm fine, but it really wasn't. And at some point while I was in there, just sobbing my eyes out, actually heard a voice, I said, Your to continue the work. And I had no idea what that meant. Except that I knew there was no way in the world I was ever gonna do race work like that was just not I'm not doing it, you know? And eventually, you know, obviously, I said yes to the column. But what's really interesting is that in that saying, yes, which, by the way, took decades for me to actually say yes to my calling. What I realized was that I sort of look back on my life, I realized I came in wired to do that work. You know, the people who were my parents, the place where I was born, the things that, like, who has a history like this. So I'll give you an example. My mother's best friend, this is when I was a little girl in the Caribbean, and mother's best friend lived around the block from us, and their backyard abutted our backyard. And at night, my mother was she was going to go visit her friend, and she would take me with her, we would walk through the backyard, because obviously that was the shortcut, right. And I remember being terrified of my favorite tree, which was huge with this huge avocado tree in the backyard. It was a beautiful tree. And I love this tree. And during the day, this tree was like my best friend sit under it to read. I was like, I learned to cook under that tree and just absolutely love this tree. So at night, though, I was terrified of that tree. I always felt like if I opened my eyes in the dark, I would see people hanging from that tree. Now I'm just a little girl, okay, like, between the ages of we lived in a house till I was eight. So I must have been between five and six years old. And it was rumored that they had hung slaves on that tree. And so I you know, like, who has a history like that you don't me like it just sort of, you know, politics and people in the south where it's like, yeah, it wasn't just a rumor. You know, we actually saw people being wrong from these trees. But, you know, in things that my father would say, and my mother would say, I mean, you know, I look back and I realized, wow, I spent a lifetime preparing to do this work. Brandon Handley 7:44 And I think that that makes sense. Especially when you said you know, you you heard the calling. And at a young age, right. Which sounds to me like it was because it was delivered by spirit. I don't know what kind of your your spiritual upbringing was at that point. But I mean, you we all kind of resist that, that first calling? Well, not everybody you hear that call me like, not me. Not now. This isn't this isn't for me, I'm gonna go do these 90,000 Other things that I feel like I should be doing other than this. Because to your point, you said, Who am I? Right, who am I and to play such a large role. But I think it's Joseph Campbell kind of talks about in the hero's journey in the call, right? That call doesn't go away that call like it will still kind of follows you around like a lost puppy is like, Are you sure? Milagro Phillips 8:39 Until you say yes. Brandon Handley 8:40 Right. I mean, I think I mean, I really agree to that. I think that that's right. And and and to your point, like, you're building up to that you are the perfect person for that calling. And when you feel that calling you kind of open up and apparently right for books. Can you do all the work? Right, right. Right. So I mean, I I'm not too familiar with, and I'm curious as we're having this kind of racism talk. What was the Caribbean like, I mean, versus the state. So you're there to your eight and then you come to the States I imagine. What was that? Yeah, no actually came Milagro Phillips 9:19 when I was the dance. And, I mean, obviously it was, it was a huge difference, right? The first thing that happened was, I came the beginning of November. And I remember my sister picked me up at the airport with a big fur coat. And, and I was wearing my, my cabana hat and my you know, it was dressed for the Caribbean right? It's got what else would I have been dressed with these short bobby socks and the whole thing and and I put on the scope. We walk outside and we get into a taxi. And all of a sudden this white stuff starts to fall on the taxi is nighttime And I said to my sister, that she goes nearly no, in other words, you better get used to it. So that in and of itself was quite a shock, you know, and of course, the cold air because you're not used to that, you know, it's sort of Olson's is this big shock, like, you stepped into a refrigerator kind of thing, you know, so. So there's that. And then, of course, I didn't speak the language at the time, so I had to learn to speak English. And, and just, you know, in also going from living in a house that was, you know, it was one floor, and living on a fifth floor, fourth floor, in an apartment building, it was just, you know, and instead of a backyard, there was a park across the street. So we were lucky, because we had a park across the street, of our apartment in New York, but, but it was just, it was just completely different, completely different. I was talking with someone recently, and I said, you know, we don't stop to think that people are migrating today, for the same reason that they have always migrated for the same reason that the people in the Mayflower migrated from Europe to come to the continental USA, and to go to other parts of the world. And that's because of, you know, people normally migrate because of food insecurity, housing insecurity, they migrate because of natural disasters, famines, and in you know, things like that. And wars, obviously, you know, and skirmishes and things like that. And so, you know, we forget that. And I think it's important for people to remember to be more compassionate, and to realize that the people who are who are at the border, are coming here for the same reasons that the Europeans came here when they came in the 1600s, and the 1700s 1800s, early 1900s, and so on. And how a lot of them were not considered white, you know, the Irish were not considered white, when they first came to this country, neither were the Italians, you know, and people had to lose their accent to assimilate, they have to stop speaking their own language to assimilate. So there were things that you had to do in order to be able to fit in, the difference is, if you're a black or brown person, you never do fit in, because the structure is not set up, for you to fit in. And so, you know, becoming aware of the ways in which immigrating and leaving your land behind affects you, at the psychological, emotional, spiritual level, you know, people also left their country, because they didn't have spiritual freedom. You know, and that's a huge thing for people to be able to practice their religion and their spirituality in the way that they want to do it. And so, you know, just being aware of all of that is extremely important. And then understanding the historical context as to why people had to leave Europe when they did, you know, in the place was rife with diseases, there was no sanitation. And so there was a lot of sickness, and you had only three months to grow your food. So a lot of people were starving and malnutrition, you can't even think straight when you're malnutrition, you know, not to mention the fact that the Crime and Punishment, the way that it was set up was something you know, it was set up to, it was basically based on violence, to traumatize, to destabilize to control. And so when the Europeans traveled the world and began to colonize the rest of the world, they brought with them what they had, which was their own unresolved trauma, the violence that they had experienced, receiving perpetrated upon the people that they were coming across. And then they were the diseases and things like that, that they brought. But they did the same thing to others that have been done to them. They made sure that people couldn't practice their religion or their, their spirituality, they had to let go of their languages, you know, the few native tribes that did survive. And the Africans that survived the Middle Passage, were were they had to give up their language. They had to give up their spiritual practices. They had to, you know, they, they had to fit in in the way that they were being made to fit in to this system. And when you stop to think about the fact that, you know, people who grow in cold climates who only have about three months to grow their food, who look out into their world, nine months out of the year, and there isn't even a leaf on the tree, their consciousness is the consciousness of lack, where people who are in places where it's always green, it's always lush, if the papaya is not growing the mangoes growing or, you know, something is always growing. So you can always feed your family, you have, you know, anyone can build shelter, because shelter is four sticks, and some plantain leaves to keep you from the sun, you know, to shelter you from the heat of the sun, that, you know, you don't really need to cover your body because it's hot, as opposed to you know, cold weather we have to layer up and you know, and so, so the the, the ways in which people did culture had to do with where they lived in the world, where their tribes developed in the world. And the and you know, those ways those cultures work well in their own environment. You know, like, for people in cold climates, it's good for them to preserve food and to be good preservers, because they only have three months to grow their food and whatever they harvest has to last until they can grow and harvest again, right. Whereas if you try to preserve food in hot climates, the food's gonna go bad. So it's, you know that those cultures and things work well in their own environment. The problem is, when you take one culture, and you impose it on other people, and in places where it doesn't belong, and then you get people to stop telling their stories, so they no longer have access to their history, you make them stop speaking their language, so they can't connect to the previous generation, who doesn't speak the same language and campus on the wisdom and the information and so on and so forth. I mean, you start to see what a mess, right? Brandon Handley 16:41 Yeah, no honor. percent. I mean, I see that, that last part, I see that even in a generational divide, where we're separated from even our young and our parents, right, that the whole tribal elder thing kind of goes out there, especially, at least in the Western civilization, and an America where it's like, alright, well, you're. So now that you're not usable, basically, is what we're saying, can you just go finish out your years in this corner, but all that wisdom is going there too. And there's conversations that aren't being had, and there's a lot of wisdom that that's not being had there. And to your point, in regards of the language, there's only a certain way to convey that story. And that's with the authentic language, right? Because a lot of that stuff does not translate into you know, English, right, it loses its it loses its flavor, or as it were. So, I mean, lots of reasons to migrate, understand, like, you know, the racism, definitely, you know, I think that, you know, as a nation, we all forget that. A, we were all immigrants at one point, be, you know, we were not all accepted all the time, regardless of where we think we are right now. But when the question is, what brought your family to the states? And, you know, I know, we talked a little bit about kind of the culture shock and of itself, but one of the things that since we're covering the racism aspect of it, how, you know, what was it I'm not familiar with, how it wasn't a Caribbean for you, right? And then the culture and the acceptance or non acceptance and what it was like for you to fit in, in the States. Milagro Phillips 18:26 Yeah, so um, so it was definitely different. And I remember when I first started to go to school, and I was learning English. Um, I remember that I lived in in one of those neighborhoods that was changing was a mostly Jewish neighborhood. There were some African American families, some Cuban families, and a few Puerto Rican fan was very few Dominicans. This is it 64. And the end of 1964, beginning of 1965, was actually when I started school. And what was interesting was that the reason first of all that I came to this country was because the, my father realized that the US was about to go to war with the Dominican Republic. And he wanted to get the whole family out of there. And we had, you know, his sisters lived in the US and we had cousins here and so on. So he tried to get the entire family out before the end of 64. And sure enough, the United States attacked the Dominican Republic in 1965. And so So you see this this onslaught of Dominican families of a lot of people who were our neighbors in the in the Dr. Ended up being our neighbors in New York, you know, because they tuber escaping what had happened in the country at that time. So again, you know, little things that we don't talk about, because a lot of people don't know that the US went to war with the Dominican Republic, and it was like, you know, this tiny country To mean, and this big US Army and Navy and all of you know, and so, um, so that was the beginning of that. And then, um, then I had to, you know, I was in school, I had to learn the language. And it was really interesting for me, because I remember that the black children didn't play with me because I didn't speak English. The white children in play with me because I was black and Hispanic children and play with me because they didn't want anyone to know that people who look like me came from where they came from. Because what happens is, you know, and, and I explained this to several people. When you, when you go around the US, and, and you look at the Latin X community, people look a certain way, it's mostly lighter skin, or brown skin, people, lighter, brown skinned people who get to get out of those countries. And I was explaining to someone that you have to remember that, that for those of us coming into the US, you have to get a visa, you have to get your visa through the Council of general, the Council of general, usually white males, who bring with them the same racism that they experienced all their lives, which has to do with segregation, and everything else. And so the only people they let out of those countries are people who don't look like me. And we were at that time, we were kind of a novelty, because my, my parents folk, it, both my parents, my entire family was bilingual, except for me, I had at that time, five brothers and one sister, I was the only one who didn't speak any English, but everybody was bilingual. My grandmother never spoke Spanish. And my mother was an American citizen, because she was born in the Virgin Islands. And in 1936, when the Virgin Islands were bought by the US and became the US Virgin Islands, they were they were British Virgin Virgin Islands. When they bought them, they all the people who were on that island who had been born there up until that time, up until 1936, who become American citizens, that my mother could only give citizenship to any of her children who was born in 1936, which I wasn't even thought of back at that time, you know? And so, you know, so there are all these restrictions that are put on those immigrations, and we don't always consider that. And so the people, for the most part, who get to get out of those countries, and for whom it was certainly back in the 50s, and 60s and 70s, easier to get out of those countries are the more European you look, the better your chances of getting a visa to get out. Brandon Handley 22:56 Sure, I mean, that makes sense, given how we roll, right? Like I mean, that's just just kind of, you know, that's definitely a good history of it. Where would you say it is at this point in time? Just like kind of racism in general. You know, what can we do? What do you feel like we are now and some of the work that you're doing? What's the trajectory? Milagro Phillips 23:20 Yeah. So as of the murder of George Floyd, by Derek Shogun. People have awakened. However, however, it's been over a year now. And people are starting to fall asleep, again, is what I've noticed. And unless something happens, and it's on television, and even, you know, I've seen some pretty horrific stuff, be on the news in between the COVID stuff, right? People are not really paying attention like they were before. And I think that when it comes to the subject, people are prone to exhaustion. And the truth is that if we're going to change, we can't afford to stay exhausted, it's okay to be exhausted. And then, you know, take a nap if you need to, but don't fall fast asleep again. Because there's so much work to be done. And there's so much that we don't know that we need to really awaken to and in start changing. I think people don't realize that racism is institutional, systemic, internalized, and interpersonal. And we keep trying to solve it at the interpersonal perspective. Well, you said this, and I should say that and I actually have people say to me, if somebody says so and so what should I respond? And it's like, Are you kidding me? Really, if you can't respond from your heart, there's a problem, right? Like, maybe you should do some really work around it so that you can respond from your heart. And so so there's this whole thing. The reality is that Brandon Handley 24:57 look, you might just want to jump in there real quick, right? Like I mean, I think that There's the the idea. And this would be, you know, again, what do we call it like crusty old white guys, right? Like, you know, coming from come from like that side of the fence. It's like, it's like, alright, well, I want to be sensitive, but I don't even know I was supposed to be sensitive to at this point in time, like, you know? Yeah. Right, cuz I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't know who that person was like, What am I supposed to say? Like, I just want to have a conversation, and I don't want to come out looking like a jerk. Yeah. And I think that, what do Milagro Phillips 25:30 we do with that is, so here's the thing. Healing takes courage. It just does. It's not for the faint hearted. It just is, doesn't matter what it is, right? Whether whether you're healing from a broken arm, or a broken spirit, it takes courage to be with whatever is in that moment. And then to ask ourselves, why is this still hurting? Why is this hurting so much, you know, that that a lot of it is about becoming self reflective, rather than having a quick response. So that you can be right or so that you can fit in or you can say the right thing or be politically correct. We can't afford to do that anymore. People need to be authentic. And then they also need to say, I don't know what I don't know. You know, and not expect to be taught either, you can say that. I don't know what I don't know. Without an expectation that someone has to teach you. You can begin to ask questions and search for things so that you can start to get your own answers. Because a white person's never going to know what it's like to be a black or brown person or black or brown versus not going to know what it's like to be white. But we have we have a common thread. And we we know now through epigenetics, that we're all related. There's only one human family and one global village. Right. And the fact that we have been misinformed, that is not anyone's fault. But it is our collective responsibility to begin to ask questions, and to sit in uncomfortable conversations. Because if we think that a conversation is uncomfortable, and we want to escape it, can you imagine what it's like to be a black and brown person be stopped by the police? Where there is no conversation? How comfortable? Yeah, look, Brandon Handley 27:28 I mean, look, look, I'm uncomfortable getting stopped by the police. I'm a white guy, right. So I can only imagine. Right? And and you know, and so no idea, like, like we talked about for what are some of the uncomfortable questions that you feel like we should be asking. Milagro Phillips 27:44 So what is the history? What is the real history? Because clearly, we've not been taught the real history. Yeah. And really starting to do our own research, looking into what traumatized our families, what brought our families here, because it was some kind of trauma. You can, you can pretty much bet. I mean, people didn't jump on the Mayflower because it was the Carnival Cruise, you know what I mean? That they were gonna fall off the face of the earth by getting those fish you know, they were willing to do it, they're willing to risk their lives because it was so horrific where they were. So what trauma brought your family here? And how does that still show up in your family? Because we know now through epigenetics, that trauma gets passed down from one generation to another, we also know that it's impossible for someone to to traumatize another person without themselves being compromised. So in other words, both the victim and the perpetrator get to pass on that trauma to their children, their grandchildren, their great grandchildren honor, not up to at least seven generations. And so what we need to do is we need to become race literate. We need to become literate about our history and to see, first of all to understand that there's no such thing as black history. It's American history, okay. The fact that it's been segregated, like everything else has been segregated doesn't change the fact that it's still American history, and what people call Black history is really white history in you see what I mean? Like there's this Brandon Handley 29:21 No, I got it, I get it. Like, I mean, so we've got this this again, this is a point of contention for me where like, there's there's a continuous continuous, like kind of forced segregation, right, where do we get to the point where we can integrate to your point as a human race? Yeah, right. Um, and and I mean, I definitely you know, for what it's worth, you know, my you know, my grandfather came over from Norway right had to you know, American Iron is Americanize his name and all the stuff that we're talking about too, but you know, of course, you know, being white and tall and blue eyed. You know, it probably didn't have the same challenges. But you know, nonetheless, there were challenges came over for a reason. So I think that that that that the trauma or that conversation that you're talking about can be had on both ends. And especially as we come at it, you know, you and I are having a mature conversation, right? Or a conversation at least just says, Hey, you know? Yeah, that's a lot of messed up things happen, right? So a lot of these things were outside of you and I are control, what can we do to facilitate, you know, something cohesive and compassionate going forward? Right, what does that what does that picture look like? Versus you when we're talking this evening, I've even seen the Latino community losing their mind over being called like, Latinx. Right below, we can't, like we can't even say Latinx. Right. And it's another thing that's kind of being forced that like, I saw something today, about what you're saying, like Black History Month, there's this Latin Heritage Month, like, why is it have to be like this constant like segregation, you know, people, I think, should be proud of, of, or at least know their story. Right? Here's my story. This is, you know, not even like, you know, and to your point, like, you're coming from the Caribbean, right? And you've got all these other people like, No, you can't have people knowing about, you know, you like you're talking about the Latino crowd saying we can't, you know, be associated with you. And so there's, there's different stories, and I think that they all deserve to be told and heard. But how do we how do we celebrate the differences versus? Versus being afraid of them? Milagro Phillips 31:42 Yeah, I think that I think there's, there's room for an awareness of both. I think that if we are too much into the celebration, without acknowledging the pain, then the shadow eats us up. And if we're too much into the shadow without seeing the hope, then the shadow eats us up. Either way the shadow was right. And so it's unbalanced. It's it's being aware of the fact that we need healing, because what do we do when something hurts, we go to the doctor, right? They ask for a lineage, right? They need your history, right? So understanding the historical context of that pain is is incredibly important, being being courageous enough to walk through the shadow of that, and be able to and willing to admit to the violence of that shadow, being willing to, to really take in, and when I say take care, I mean, listen to another's pain, without judging them or thinking, Well, what's wrong? What did you do wrong, or that kind of thing. And really having a greater sense of compassion for all of us, ourselves and others. And one of the I do a two day intensive. And in that program, one of the the stages of healing and I talk about it in the book, is forgiveness. And that's a huge one to ask for people who are continuously being re traumatized, and experiencing violence toward them. And yet, it's part of the healing process. And, you know, getting to that place where you can actually not, not just give it word, right, but really internalize that forgiveness, and that compassion and the realization that traumatize people traumatize others, that we've all been traumatized in one form or another, that if we don't become aware of that we will continue to traumatize each other without even being aware that we're doing it. Except that we know that there's a discomfort in these conversations, or there is something you know, let me like those. Brandon Handley 34:05 Tommy it is it's I mean, I know that I was talking to one of our network diversity specialist sounds like and I told her, I said, you know, I don't, I'm probably gonna say the wrong thing. And I'm not doing it on purpose, like I just want to have I just want to be able to talk. Right, and without being a landmine. And again, I appreciate this, you know, to appreciate the sensitivity, right, the sensitivity and awareness needs to be there. But I don't have you know, we, it'd be great to kind of work around that fear of having an open conversation. I don't think that you should be afraid. Like, I'm not really afraid, right of having an open conversation and, and being honest about it, right. To your point, like when you said earlier, if we can have an honest, authentic conversation, there really shouldn't be fear involved with it if we're talking from the heart, right. So I think Milagro Phillips 34:55 some of the fear is we we sort of have hang our lives on specific things, right? And there's the threat that someone's going to tell us something that dislodge. Is that, right? So, so if, if we believe that certain people or certain way, and that's what we've learned and that kind of thing. And then somebody comes along and says, Oh, actually, it isn't like that, you know, that rails, your cage, and it causes cognitive dissonance and people are very uncomfortable with that. And very often, what happens when you want to have a conversation about race in a mixed environment is that you trigger people stress response is fight flight or paralysis, they either want to defend themselves or come up with some way of either they get angry with you, or they want to flee the conversation, or else they freeze, and don't know what to say and don't know what to do. And so just being aware, and having compassion around the fact that that actually does happen to people. And it also knowing that we first of all, we don't all have the whole story, and probably never will. We need to be open to hearing people's stories and listening to people, and being open to hearing what they have to say, regardless of the color of their skin, where they come from, or whatever, without scaring them into silence. And we do that a lot. When it comes to the issue of race, you put some research to say something right away, somebody will jump on them. And you can't say that or you know, or whatever. And so it makes it difficult to have authentic conversations when we're not free to say what's in our hearts, and to express it our way. And one of the things that I talk about in the book are the languages of the caste system, because we live under a caste system and explain all that. It's not like the Indian caste system, this particular world. I'm sorry, Brandon Handley 37:00 lagosians. Just a new book, The new new book, you're talking about? No. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, here's Caracas. Milagro Phillips 37:07 Yeah, um, that in that caste system, because we all live under the same umbrella. But we've internalized that differently. And as a result of that, what happens is that people speak different languages. And we're all speaking English, but we're speaking it from a completely different perspective. And what often happens is, let's say, a politician makes a comment. A white male politician makes a comment to be specific, right? And a person of color will say, Well, that was really racist what that person just said. And watch fight flight or paralysis, right? So the politician immediately defend themselves. And if they can't defend themselves, they'll get somebody else to defend them. It's usually another white male politician who speaks his language, right? And that person will say, of course, he's not a racist. Here's what he said wasn't racist, blah, blah, blah, right. And, and of course, to them, it doesn't sound racist, because they speak the same language, the language of supremacy. And at that level, they can hear each other and they say, what they say about and in front of people of color, and they understand each other people of color, hear it from their filters, that says, Okay, this could be a dangerous situation for me, I need to be conscious of the fact that this person just made a racist comment. I'm not sure that I'm safe with that person. So they'll say what you just said was racist, but to the person, it doesn't sound racist, it wasn't great, blah, blah, blah, you know, and so everybody speaking from behind their filters of the caste system, which means that you can't hear people properly. And I want to I'm so sorry, apologize. I have to plug my computer in, which I did not do earlier. So I don't want to lose you. I am so sorry about this. Brandon Handley 39:07 Sorry, why you're doing that? I mean, I think that what made disarm somebody or in that conversation, like, what's some of the language we can use? is racism, even the right word? Or do you just feel uncomfortable? Right, what you're saying to me is just making me feel uncomfortable triggers, you know, makes me feel unsafe, right, is by saying something like that. Do you feel like that might open the dialogue a little bit differently? And, you know, I get what you're saying too, like, I'm a big I'm a huge believer in filters like we've we've all we've all got our own set of filters and, you know, kind of our heritage wherever we were brought up from we're coming with our own, you know, package of, you know, filter packets or right we all come with it and Depending on where we're at, and you know, so we got, you know, a couple of white politicians, and they say some stuff and you know, somebody audience, they're like, Yeah, I've heard some stuff like this before. And that's not the right thing to say. And I'm definitely uncomfortable in that, you know, but call it out is racist. It's kind of like what's getting shouted out? Or are they really saying, that makes me feel uncomfortable? Milagro Phillips 40:19 Well, you know, so here's the thing. Racism, when when you really understand it, when you're able to unpack it, what you realize is that it's not a character judgment, it's conditioning. So what you're really saying is, you're revealing your racial conditioning, maybe a longer way of saying it, but it's basically the same thing. Okay. And, and, but what that does, is it then brings to mind that where that person may be functioning from, is that, you know, 600 years of racial conditioning, which doesn't go away. You know, what if people have been integrating since the 1960s, versus verses hundreds of years of this stuff, right, and I'm talking institutionalized, so they were turning to law systemics, they were systems to support those laws internalized because you internalize the environment, you live it, and then you act it out with the other people in your life. Right. And so, when, when we are looking, and that's why I wrote the book, it's like, you know, having a consciousness that, yes, people will say these things, and they need them. And they don't even think there's anything wrong with saying those things. If they're on one side of the spectrum, from the other side of the spectrum. It sounds really ugly, right? And so those people will call you on it. If no one calls you on it, you will continue to do it. Because you're doing better. Or you may just be functioning out of maliciousness. But some people really don't know any better. Right? So Brandon Handley 42:07 Well, I mean, I'll tell you, I'll tell you this real quick, if you don't mind me jumping in, like, you know, so I'm up here in the Northeast Philadelphia area, born in San Francisco, you know, hippie parents growing up, and all that jazz, went down from the Philadelphia area to North Carolina, right outside of Raleigh Durham. And, you know, went hung out with some of my neighbors, we're all hanging out, we're drinking, we're having a good time eating chicken wings and hanging out. And my neighbor starts telling, like these really racist jokes, and I had to pause. It's like, dumbfounded. First of all, I was like, I can't believe like, this does not serve as like, guys. I don't know about you. But like, where I come from, we really don't talk like this. Right. Like, and it was just, to me, I was blown away by the fact that it's still so prevalent. Right? And of course, of course, right? Because as we're talking here, like, I'm not, I'm on the other side of it, right? Like, you know, again, I don't feel to see the impacts. And, you know, it's impossible for me to but it's not possible for me, of course, to have these conversations right with somebody else's experienced it and come at it from a place of compassion. But I just thought I'd throw that in there. Because again, like, wherever you're at, right now, let's say you're from the Northeast from California, or someplace where it's not as institutionalized as you're talking about, right, as it has been. And, you know, they're still holding on to it. It's kind of it's kind of mind boggling. Yeah. So I mean, I'm just I mean, I've experienced, at least again, from, from the old white guy perspective, like, you know, still still experiencing it. And it's, it makes me uncomfortable. So I again, I can only imagine being in a position where one of my co workers as matter of fact, he had bought some property, and he and his mixed race couple, and in North Carolina still had people were still giving them issues. And this is very recently, right. Within the past couple years, they bought some property, and there were some people that wouldn't stop hunting on that property. And they would tell them, they'd be like, Hey, we're our family did we're gonna keep doing it. You can't tell us that. Like, they tried to hold on to it for as long as they could. But like it's in the end, it made them feel uncomfortable, where they just sold the property. And that, to me was a tragedy, right? Like, where are we today that, that this is still a thing. And we want to call ourselves a progressive society. Milagro Phillips 44:30 That's why it's important for people to become race literate. Because when people understand and even if they continue to behave the same way, they're doing it from a conscious place. And when you're when you've got information and you're conscious, you have responsibility. You can choose to ignore that responsibility, but that doesn't mean that responsibility of your awareness goes away. So helping people to become race literate is extremely empowering. and race, literary literacy is the knowledge and awareness of the history of race and awareness that we are, we're all raised in a racial caste system. By the time children are three years old, they can tell you what caste system they belong to. Who are the good people in the back in the caste system? Who are the bad people? Three years old? They've already been racialized, you know? And so, what are we going to do today to change tomorrow, you know, we cannot if we continue to behave, and to do the same way, and to act out of ignorance, and not change our behavior, we're gonna continue to see the same thing for yet another generation, another generation and another generation, like, we have a responsibility to become as aware, and as knowledgeable as we can. And you know, the spiritual path is a path of awareness. We, it's about becoming conscious. It's about feeling things in our bodies, and experiencing them in our emotions, and being open to what that means to us. How does that make us feel? You know, because if it made us feel well, we'd have conversations with everybody in anybody about race, the fact that people are so uncomfortable with the conversation, it tells you, that's where the juice is, that's where the healing needs to happen. That's where the consciousness needs to shift. And ultimately, everybody wants to solve racism, like I said, from the intrapersonal perspective, coming from their heads. But if we don't become aware that it needs to take that 12 inch drop into our hearts, and then another 12 inch into our guts, so we know it, and we are aware of it. And we we realize that part of it is learning to walk in somebody else's shoes long enough to understand why they're hurting. That's when we start to shift. Brandon Handley 46:59 No, I love that. Oh, that. What would you suggest for somebody that's beginning to, you know, to to gain some race literacy? Like what are some of the first steps into into that? What do you recommend? Yeah, Milagro Phillips 47:13 so again, asking questions, doing research, looking into one's personal history, you know, why did your parents come here? What, you know, why are you here now? Right? Understanding that, looking at some of the, the history of Europe, really, and what was going on there that made people want to leave? in droves? Right? What, what are our connections to one another, in terms of being this one human family living on one global village? And what does that mean? And how do we care for one another compassionately? How do we do what we really, I really believe human beings came here, to be connected, to love each other, to learn from one another, to become more conscious together. And a lot of this stuff is keeping us from doing that work, which is the deeper work that we need to do. And so, for me, becoming race literates is the first thing stop being afraid of our history. It's ugly, it's nasty, it is what it is. But if we don't look at it, we keep repeating it. And we are worthy of having the power to create something new, instead of recreating the past and thinking we're creating something new, right. And so having an awareness of our history, allowing our hearts to open to all people, realizing that everyone, everyone on the planet deserves to thrive, and have the opportunity to do that. And so for me, this, this is about becoming conscious, and in really living from the depth of our hearts, not in the love and like kind of, you know, ignoring life kind of way, but really, by being conscious, and bringing that love and that light into all that is happening on our planet today. So that we can create something new to that to leave behind for the next generation. Brandon Handley 49:23 I think that's fantastic. And that that part where you're talking about the love and light, you know, and skipping the shadow, right? Really, it's what I just saw somebody call it spiritual bypassing recently, right? You know, kind of like just like, I'm like, I'm gonna go ahead and if if I just kind of hold this space, but we need to address the shadow, like you're talking about in your biography. I'm assuming that you touched on that and in your book. And again, the most recent book is called Milagro Phillips 49:50 cracking the healers code, prescription for healing racism, and finding wholeness. Brandon Handley 49:57 Great and you can find, you know, yours Barnes and Nobles. Yeah, that kind of thing. Right looking looking for that. Yeah. So awesome. I love it. And, you know, look, we, we've got a lot of work to do. Milagro Phillips 50:09 We can do it. It's one human family. Brandon Handley 50:12 Right. Hey, would you say that we're getting better? Milagro Phillips 50:14 I think we are because part of getting better is becoming conscious. Because when we just we can make different choices. You know. Brandon Handley 50:24 So I think and I actually want to jump all the way back to an area that you talked about, about the exhaustion part. Right. And I think that, I wouldn't say that, you know, again, coming from the white guy view, but you know, COVID Plus, like this heightened, you know, view on on the racism? I think the whole package, everybody's just exhausted in general, but not to fall asleep at the wheel, how can we, you know, how can we do it in a way that energizes us, right, how do you see a way that we can do that? Or is that just a finding a balance that? Yeah, Milagro Phillips 51:05 no, I, I really believe that. We can do this in a way that energizes us. I see, since the death of George Floyd. Every week, I was doing seminars up until this march on race literacy, and just, you know, getting the community to come in and have these experiences, like come in, I mean, unzoom, and have these experiences on a weekly basis. I'm now doing it on a monthly basis. The first, first Monday of the month, I do this lunch and learn so people can, you know, bring their lunch at work to their computer and join this conversation and learn some things I will often share something about, about some historical piece, and then we have discussions about how that history fits into today. How are we repeating that history today, what it looks like and feels like, also exercises, we always end with a meditation to really bring people back into balance before they go back to work. And in, you know, I have a series of programs that I do, I have a two day seminar that I do that I've been doing since 2020, since 2001, so it's 20 years old this year. And it's so powerful, and people always say that they just never see race the same way again, it helps them to heal all kinds of things with their, their own family. Because we use I take people through a universal process of healing that allows them to be able to do that, which is you know, a lot of the stuff that's, that's in the book. So, um, you know, so people can join these conversations to stay awake and stay aware. I know that there are times that people don't want to attend these things, especially white nails, because they feel like they're going to be the bad boy in the room kind of thing. You know, the one that everybody's looking at is, you know, I don't do that in my seminars, because what I'm aware of, is the fact that we've all been misinformed, and those who are misinformed, they're bound to miss create, and it doesn't matter your gender, it doesn't matter your sexual orientation, it doesn't matter the color of your skin, we have all when it comes to race and racism, all of us have been misinformed. And we can't blame people for that. But we can hold them compassionately responsible for their own ability and choices to change. Brandon Handley 53:29 That was fantastic. Those zoom calls the Lunch and Learns is that open to everybody has something, Milagro Phillips 53:36 you can go on my website and get information on that on that program. And it's open to the entire community. And I will continue to do that as long as I can. Brandon Handley 53:49 That's fantastic. That's great that that's available. Thank you for that. So logros at this point of the conversation I kind of look at like anybody tuning into this I mean, obviously you great conversation on the racism and we touched on the spirituality I look at this as a spiritual speed dating, right? Somebody is looking to like get the next fish will connect on this conversation. So I'm going to ask you a question. Basler espiritual black Bachelorette, a number one who to do to do? Move, I think you've already established that kind of like we are all one would you agree that you know kind of we are all one in one shape. Milagro Phillips 54:30 I mean, you know, we're all cousins, some of us 35th cousins and mother's 50th cousins, but we're all related. And we know that through the study of epigenetics, so that's already been established. It's no longer one of these. Oh, you're my spiritual sibling. And yes, absolutely. But you're also my physical sibling. Yeah. And so being aware of that is really important. Brandon Handley 54:56 Now Perfect, perfect. Whoo doo doo doo doo. To, what would you say is our greatest distraction Milagro Phillips 55:09 when it comes to this topic, everything in anything, you know, anything we could throw in the fire, so that we are now focused on the fire and we take our eyes off the ball, right? When it comes to race, because people don't really want to deal with it. It is uncomfortable for most people. And yet, as I said before, can you imagine if it's uncomfortable in a conversation versus being uncomfortable, because, you know, you're you're being beaten to death in the streets or shot or your family member at you've lost them because of this, right? So there are levels of discomfort, right. And some people are more uncomfortable than others, because they are living the violence. And so for those of us who are not, it's important that we show up, even with our discomfort, because we're always going to feel uncomfortable until we start showing up and learning what this is really about. Brandon Handley 56:07 That's fine. No, it's true. Right? There's always a willingness to to not be, you know, uncomfortable as quickly as possible. Right. And, and I can't think of too many topics that are more uncomfortable than Yeah, that's right. Even Even amongst friends. And, you know, just trying to again, you know, because I think sometimes you just feel like the bad guy, like you said earlier, like, you know, I don't know that I go into a room feel like the bad guy, or, you know, the one that's been called out, but it definitely, again, you know, just just wanting to do the right thing, even though I don't know what the wrong thing is. Yeah. Milagro Phillips 56:44 You know, and that's, that's a huge piece. It's like it is the not knowing what the wrong thing is, or, or what is really wrong here. Like, I'm just uncomfortable with this. And in those, there's those who can escape it, right? Because it's sort of like, oh, you know, I don't have to deal with that, right. And there are those who can't. And yet, there's something, you know, um, it's Bradshaw, that wrote in his book, family secrets about how there are secrets and families that people keep and their secrets and families where it's sort of like, people just don't talk about certain things, right. And, and yet everybody acts, reacts and interact out of the family secret, whether they know the secret or not, right. And that's what happens to us as a human family when it comes to this history. Like, we all know, something's off, right? We don't know quite what it is. So I'll give you an example of that. For the most part, people call Haiti, the poorest country in the world, or at least one of the poorest countries in the world. But no one ever talks about the fact that Haiti has been paying reparations to Frances 1825, when they set themselves free in 1804. And from slavery, and the French kept trying to go back in there to re enslaved them. And finally, they use the Doctrine of Discovery to get back in there, and to have them pay reparations all these years. Now, if you are so poor, you can't afford to do anything, let alone pay reparations, right. And so, you know, just the realization that there's so many natural resources on that island that, you know, people are still finding natural resources on those islands. And, you know, when we only tell one piece of the story, what happens is that people get hung up on that one piece. And yet, there's something in our hearts that kind of knows that something's off, you know, people are constantly being told those and $19 a month to support a child in Haiti, when in reality, if friends gave back even one part of all that they siphoned out of there, that island would not be poor, okay, they just would not be poor. And that is not the only place it's all of these places that have been colonized to the so called poor countries, which most of them have happened to have dictators, which I think is quite a coincidence. Right. And those of us who are spiritual know that there are synchronicities, right. And so, you know, so just having an awareness like we need an expanded awareness of this stuff, and not just go with Okay, the going story is, Haiti is a poor country. So you know, Hades, not a poor country. Haiti is a country that has been stolen from Okay, that is very different, because you don't steal where there's poverty, because I know the seal, right? Brandon Handley 59:42 No, no, you're right, right. You don't exploit Milagro Phillips 59:44 people, because they're poor. You exploit them because they have natural resources as a human being. All right. So we need to get really clear about what it is that we're talking about. When we're talking about this stuff, which is why I wrote that book. It's like, people need to get clear Let's let's have an honest, authentic conversation that goes beyond the rhetoric. Oh, it's it's this right like, okay, so why is it that way? You know, it's nuts. Right? Right. You'll, Brandon Handley 1:00:13 we'll be on the first layer go beyond that first layer, right? This, this is what I heard. This is what I was told. You know, why would somebody tell you that? Yeah, I'm kind of getting beyond that, for sure. For sure. It makes sense. I never knew, right? I never knew that I'm, you know, still paying France back. Right. And I think that that's crazy, right? Even Even, even the whole idea of you know, the British selling the Virgin Islands to the state. So to me, it's just boggle your mind. So snowballs my so Ragosa thank you so much for the conversation. I enjoyed it. I think that you know, you're obviously doing some great work. Excited for you to release your fourth book. Understand that you're working on the fifth. And where can we send people to find out more about Sure. Yeah, Milagro Phillips 1:01:01 so you can visit my website Milagros phillips.com. So it's just my name.com. And there's a lot of information on there. And as soon as this podcast is open for posting it on the website, so Brandon Handley 1:01:13 fantastic. Thanks again for being Milagro Phillips 1:01:17 so much. I Unknown Speaker 1:01:20 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove. CO You can also join the discussion on Facebook spiritual though, and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email Brandon at spiritual Co Co. And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don't forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time, be kind to yourself and trust your intuition.

Catch up with Devon and Tamara of the Align and Rise Podcast: They are here to empower spiritual beings to tap into their fullest potential. They share memories & experiences to inspire and uplift you. Remember you are authentic, unique and there is only ONE YOU! They are two women who love to chat about all the in-depth experiences, opportunities, and growth that we have navigated our way through. They love life, and they love growing and they love hearing about other people's perspectives. Their conversations steam from their personal experiences, memories, and knowledge that they have gathered along the way. They are striving every day to be better than they were yesterday! Connect with Align & Rise on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/align_and_rise/ Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited as Bob process? Rest assured, you are not alone, the world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask. But he's the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:40 One, hey, there's spiritual dope. I'm on here today with Devin and tomarrow of the Align and rise podcast. And they're here to empower spiritual beings to tap into their fullest potential. They share memories and experiences to inspire and uplift you. Remember you are authentic, unique, and there's only one you they are two women who love to chat about all the in depth experiences, opportunities and growth that you they have navigated throughout their way. They love life growing and they love to hear other people's perspective. They love to hear other people. So demonstra thanks for having being here Unknown Speaker 1:21 today. Thanks for having us. Unknown Speaker 1:24 We're super excited. Thank you. This is our very first interview. On another podcast. We're usually the ones doing the interviewing. So this is really exciting. Brandon Handley 1:34 Well, yeah, right. Yeah. Well, you had me on and that was part of the conversation. And I think that there was the jet. I said, Hey, how can I support you guys? Right? And you were like, Go big or go home? It wasn't exactly like that. I was like, You know what? Okay, probably was it says, you know, what, if we what if we were on your podcast? Like hell yeah. Right. So it's kind of a no brainer. So thanks for thanks for being on. This is actually my first one where I've interviewed two people simultaneously as a unit got alive and rise here. So I'd be interested to hear your response here. One of the ways that I look at this whole thing that we're doing right, we're sending an amplified communication out to the universe, as it were, and we ourselves are all vessels of creative source energy, whatever, right? We express that throughout whatever we're doing. And sometimes the answers and come conversation that we have, is going to be heard by somebody on the other end, it's just like, wow, I really needed that today, right? And my question to the both of you is, what is that message that's coming through you today that you need to share with the universe? Unknown Speaker 2:59 When we're both looking at each, usually, Unknown Speaker 3:03 let's talk first Unknown Speaker 3:08 just throws me in the spotlight. I think honestly, for us, like, we've had so many incredible opportunities come up on this journey of growth. And we could have thrown the towel in 100 times. But recognizing that we are here for something bigger, and we were created with a purpose, we've understood, throwing in the towel is not an option. We've learned that we are here to serve others. And we were given the opportunity to start podcasting and being able to serve others through that. And I think the biggest message is honestly just to hear what's on your heart, and understand that that is placed there specifically for you, as an individual, nobody else gets that dream that you have on your heart. And just to chase it, and to go after it with as much love and tenacity and enthusiasm as possible. And it's gonna feel hard and it's gonna feel tough, but you just have to keep going. Unknown Speaker 4:12 Mm hmm. Well, and sometimes like, I think that in that space as well, when you're going through stuff, it's sometimes it feels like the same stuff, kind of repeat it's like, term that I heard was rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. And those are like lessons in life that we get to go through in order to get to the next place where you get to do something different another rinse and repeat until you learn from that and, and what I feel is that it's really nice to be able to, excuse me, get a cough in my throat is to have that with someone else where that person can Be there for you recognize things and very lovingly bring that to you. I just got like that frog in my throat like the worst time was like a tickle. I don't know why Brandon Handley 5:16 there's never a good time for a frog in the throat must be, let's be clear there so Unknown Speaker 5:20 well it's like literally it's like feels like it's going into my left eye right now. Anyways, that's a Crazy Frog. Ah, yes, anyways, so that's the other view here. Brandon Handley 5:30 Yeah, we're gonna be here to help you recover. That's gonna be the first thing we're here for. So I enjoy, you know, the idea that we're here for a bigger purpose, we can satisfy a number of our own personal needs, and even our family's needs. And still, it seems kind of like, we're not giving all that we've got right, we're not feeling as though we're contributing, I think that what you're talking about is the idea of contributing to the greater good and the whole. And, and in a way that you're doing doing it. That's being led by the heart. It's kind of what I'm getting from the both you and then the idea to that. Being able to do it with each other, the way that you two are and having that kind of support mechanism. And I think it was Devin, you were talking about, you know, being able to, you know, basically call somebody out on their bullshit but lovingly, or vice versa. Right, be like, Hey, how do we how do I, you know, I see that you're, you know, sometimes somebody doesn't respond to like, I see that you're struggling? How can I help? And sometimes it's got to be done in another way. But still from a place from the heart. And it sounds like that's what the two of you have found with each other. And you're working. You're scaling that by doing your podcast? Is that fair? Yeah. I love that. Like it's called heartland. Unknown Speaker 7:09 Yeah, absolutely. And we have realized, we tried one podcast having like, kind of a guideline and a script, I feel like it was a little bit of a disaster. And we have realized that intuitive, that that's us, we we just follow our heart and we listen to our gut. That's what we speak from. We don't have a script, we don't have questions. Even the interviews that we've done, have all just been intuitive and heartless, and that feels so good. And I think that's really helped our relationship where we've come together to have that peace to lean on one another, and to call each other out on those things. And it's honestly, like, I can't hide anything from Devin to try. It's like, okay, like, you're not doing this, tell me what's going on. It's like the floodgates open. And then we just have this like, yes, that's how I'm feeling. I couldn't put it into words, and you felt it and you figured it out. And just having this place of zero judgment of complete, just love. Just knowing that it doesn't matter what we're going through, we're always gonna get through it together. And it's been really cool to have this platform podcasting together, because we get to share those experiences with other people and serve them while we grow at the same time and then share that story of growth. And it's just really been the coolest experience. Brandon Handley 8:42 Sounds like yeah, I would call it like, acceptance and action. Right, and you to have found, you know, a friendship, a partnership, where it's, you know, you accept each other for who you are and what you're going through, and, and you're helping each other forward in a supportive manner towards towards your dreams, right, the two of you put this podcast together, you were talking, we were talking a little bit before we got going here. You know, how there's been some stumbling blocks in what it is that you're doing, which I want to get to. But what I wanted to really hit on first is like, right, you know, for me, this is my third podcast, right? My first one was on fatherhood, which was cool, no one diver. Second one was on, you know, prosperity, law of attraction type stuff, also great. But then I was like, fuck it, like I'm really just kind of hiding behind this curtain of, you know, like this, you know, Wizard of Oz style, where like, I'm not really talking about what's on my heart, which is spirituality and leaning into that. And since I've done that, it's been awesome. Right? So my question is, you know, what made you to decide spirituality was was was your, your kind of lean in and go forward thing and let's talk about how you found yourselves there. Unknown Speaker 9:58 That's going to be different quite like that's very, that's looks so different. I would like to I would like to leave this one tomorrow because I think this actually has to be love for you too. I think this actually like my, my spirituality and how I have found so much love and acceptance from Tamara. So like, to kind of give you the backstory, Tamara and I went to youth group together for years. And in high school. Here, as I say, like two I was only in Creston for two years when and started going to church and Tamara joined and she's younger than like a monk. Yeah, she's younger than me. And we were going and so we were like, very much like we got called, like Holy Rollers and stuff. We were part of the Pentecostal church, we were called a lot of things that we found like community, which was great. And then I got married really young at 21 had four kids ended up separating from my x, and I've been separated now for six years. Last God just completely dropped God in every way, don't talk to me about him, I'm never setting foot in another church, I felt very hurt, very betrayed from just like everything that went on in the relationship that I liked. And in that time, Tamara started reaching out to me through Beachbody. And we kind of started talking and then I joined eventually under her and so we started having more of a relationship and, and bringing up our friendship from the past. And what I had found was as I was journeying through like both of us, I would say, really, our spiritual journey both started is about six years ago, for both of us where there was like this. Right, like, like a hard line, like you were talking about line. And that's like your thing lately, tomorrow's like line in the sand. This was like a hard interval is very different places, but a hard line. And we started kind of growing, and probably two years without each other of just growth. And then we really started stepping into each other's life. What I had found was going from the state of like, I was very devout to church and everything for a long time, and then completely losing myself to all of it. Like I went down to the very bottom of the bottom with that, like, I felt very lost, I felt alone, didn't know what I was doing, knew that I wanted to I needed needed spirituality on some level. And I just didn't know what that was gonna look like, because I had lost all of my faith. And through all of everything that I have been through, Tamara has been there and held my hand, watched me cry, loved me, never judged me. She was going to church, he was going, she never judged me. There was not a single time that and maybe she maybe she did, but she let it go, right? If she did have any judgments, but she was there, she loved me. And that created open space. And gave me grace gave me forgiveness, to realize that tomorrow was like the example of what a person going to church should look like. And it led me Not that I'm going back to church, not that I'm stuck. Like, I'm not doing that, um, I found my own spirituality in just believing that God is or the universe or the source energy, whatever you want to call it is around us all the time. But it allowed me to get some forgiveness for myself, and for the people around me because of the scars that were there when I left my relationship. So for me, spirituality is more than just finding within yourself. It's like also the other people that are around you, they get to support you and love you and love like, Jesus love, right? Like, that's, that's what tomorrow. I mean, this is just tomorrow, right? This is one person I've had other people in my life who are very spiritual in different ways, and we're, we're just all connected. And that spirituality to me is like, there is spirituality doesn't see any hard lines of like your, you know, your Jehovah's Witness your Mormon, your Pentecostal your Catholic it, it should never see that it should just be like we are one we are connected. And we need to love each other period. Brandon Handley 14:39 Like it, you know, really sounds sounds like the six year journey for you. And kind of, you know, this just loss of spirituality. Which I kind of I do want to dig into that a little bit. I love how you guys correct me if I'm wrong, but Beachbody MLM yes or no Yeah, I love how you guys reconnected through like an MLM. Right? Like you always hear horror stories, but this sounds like a good one. And you know, so it was Unknown Speaker 15:09 really funny because I sent the worst messages back then. Brandon Handley 15:13 No doubt, no doubt, right? I mean, I think absolutely, that's right. That's part of the path. And trust me, again, I know, right? You're just like, you know, hey, this is what you're supposed to say. I'm sure I'll say this. Everybody's by my shit. You'd be a great salesperson anyways. You'd be great at this. So let's hear a little bit on your side. And then we can kind of unpack some of this stuff. Unknown Speaker 15:40 Yeah, absolutely. So as Devin was saying, we both grew up in the Pentecostal church, like I went to, I think it was called, like the school or something. It was like church before kindergarten, preschool, basically, but in a church. So like, my grandma grew up in the Pentecostal church, my aunts, uncles, on my mom's side of the family, all very, like spiritual. And that was there, we prayed, we all of the things that of course, like had my years through my teen years, where I struggled and all of the things. But really, the last six years for sure, coming up seven, so my youngest, after he was born, I struggled and hit rock bottom with postpartum, though worst depression and anxiety I've ever experienced in my whole entire life. And for me, I leaned in so hard to my faith and my relationship with God, I'm just becoming closer with him praying, really just leaning on family and reaching out to those family members who were, you know, Christian in my family, who believed in faith, who believed in prayer, who believed in coming together, and just like leaning on all of that. And so I just think it's really cool how, around the same time frame, Dev was literally falling apart and losing her faith. And I was leaning in hard, and like how we both came together to this place where we are now. So that was really where everything kind of started for me. But it turned into not so much just like that. God relationship, the heart relationship with my heavenly Father, it was like, I didn't know who I was. I had no idea what that even looked like, I was a mom, I had these kids, I was struggling, life sucked. I was literally surviving and just getting through my days. And I remember my son was 10 months old, and I was depressed, and I was binge eating. And I was doing all of these things that I thought happiness was somewhere in there. And I remember just like that line in the sand, there has to be more I need to feel more than this. Like this can't just be it for the rest of forever, where I just get up and I just survive through my days. And I raised my kids and I'm unhappy. And that was where I really started seeking more of a relationship inner of who I was. And I started doing that work inside that healing work that working through anxiety, working through the Depression, that I was feeling, letting go of those things. And really, opening up to this whole world of like, who I was, as an individual, I was a mum really young. And I lost that when I became a mom, I was just a mom and I was just a wife and I was just a whatever. And I didn't have this, I didn't know who I was. And so that was sort of my journey back into figuring out who I was letting go of those people pleasing tendencies of worrying about other people's opinions and really, truly just getting to the core of who I am. And that sort of got this direction that I moving in like and it feels so freeing and it feels so good. And just to realize everybody has their own spiritual journey, not one person doesn't look the same. And I've realized like I used to have this very narrow view of it's only the church it's only this is only one way it has to be God it has to be that I've realized like I love hearing like stories from Jay Shetty love Him the whole journey of a monk Buddhism like all everybody has this universal God that they serve. And that that that is love like like Devin said we're we're here to love people. And it doesn't matter where we find that love or what that looks like or feels like to each of us because it's different and different. is beautiful. Brandon Handley 19:53 I mean look right with without without without those differences, then then it's kind of kind of boring, right? You got this same show, one was going all the way back to the beginning when he talked about was it rinse and repeat same stuff, right, you're gonna see the same thing over and over again. There's no chance for revision or something else, right? I always think about the whole idea that to have like, if you know what tomorrow is gonna be like, it's gonna be kind of easy, right, kind of, like Groundhog's Day. You know, you do like, the great thing about like, knowing that tomorrow is gonna be the same as today, like, Okay, well, since, what, whatever it say it was like, I can make tomorrow better by eliminating some of the things that didn't work and doing more of the things that did. Right. And as for, you know, I kind of talk What I mean is that it's not fun, right? You found yourself in survival mode, like, you know, binge eating and things like that, and looking for happiness not and of course, like, sometimes you think you're happy when you're eating that ice cream, like cookies and cream it's in? I'm happy in this moment. But like you're crying at the same time, like, why is Unknown Speaker 21:05 your bag of chips at 3am. Brandon Handley 21:09 But it also it also, you know, sounds like you do, we're stuck in your identity, crisis of identity. You go from you go from you know, kind of school to being a parent, there's no time for you to discover who you are as a person. Right? Because you, you haven't spent that time as an individual. And then now you're giving all that you are and who you are, to like this family and and to your point, you're like, Hey, I'm just trying to find some Hi, how can I be happy? How can I be me? Outside of this cog in the system? Right. It sounds to me like that's kind of where you got caught, right? And then finding, leaning into your spiritual, I was kind of funny, you mentioned, you know, you you were leaning in, and you you were finding your religion in Devon was losing hers, right? It's kind of what was going on. But at the same time, you too, were, you know, able to grab hold of each other again, and just say, hey, you know, tomorrow for us, like, you know, the more I dig into this, the more I'm finding my face. And Devin for you, you're like, the further I get away from it, the more that I find that I need it, and finding you know what work for you. He has figured that out sounds like kind of together, right? And as you're talking tomorrow sounds to me also, like, it's liberating to be connected to spirit, right connected to whatever that looks like for you. And as you're saying, like, everybody's journey is gonna be a little different. I know that after I kind of went through my own awakening experience, like, this is how it's gonna be for you. And this is how it's gonna be. And then you're gonna go up against like, you know, your journey. And oh, and then when you tripped over this hole in the ground, this is where you're going to be I know exactly where you are. Right? And I don't, I can't, right, because your journey is gonna be like you said, 100% 100% your own. So you too. Yeah, lost it. Yeah, pulled it back together. And now like, you've kind of pulled it back together, you've got this platform, what's your intent with it now kind of going forward? And like, what are some of the what are some of the challenges that you're having? Unknown Speaker 23:34 To do you Unknown Speaker 23:39 I just feel like I wanted to touch on one more thing. And this basically led to it. So this whole like parenting thing. Devin is really helped me realize, like in that whole losing your identity and finding yourself and like, I still have these moments where I'm like, my kids need me all the time. And Devon's like, they're not gonna die when you're doing the things that you want to do. So, this has been, like a really good lesson for me, but we're a busy family, my kids are doing all the things and I'm running here, and I'm doing this and like, I feel like, this might not come out. Right, but like, they depend on me. It's already not coming out, right? Maybe I want them to depend on me more than they actually do. Maybe that's it, that feels really shitty to say. Brandon Handley 24:37 Look, I mean, I mean, and that's part of that's part of just saying all right, well, it's it's it's a work in progress, right? It's like identifying that me like, is that true? Right. That's just kind of one of those things that you can kind of go through as an exercise be like, you know, I don't know. Not for nothing to air, but nobody's knocked on your door and like a half hour. Unknown Speaker 24:58 I know. Right? This is they're fine. They're, they're thriving downstairs. So yeah, just like little thing was we were eating in a podcast today. And then my son needed me. And I was like, Deb, like, my kiddo needs me. And we were gonna meet up in podcasts. And I like, texted her and I was like, I'm like, feeling all the things and I'm sitting in it, and I'm just letting and letting it go. And she calls me she's like, okay, like, what's happening, and like, helped me unpack how I'm feeling. And it was like, I'm trying to cram all of these things in one day. And this is how I explained it. I was like, Wednesday's were, we're typically podcasting days, that's what we did. And then they turned into, like, my only day off. And now all of these other things are piling up, and I'm trying to balance it all and fit it into one day, which is affecting our podcasting. Because, obviously, I can't balance all the things that I was like, that fills my cup. Lately, Wednesday's feel like, you know, when you put a cup in the sink, and you crank the water on and like, the waters just splashing out of the cup, and none of it staying in there. Because it's like, full force, and then you shut the water off and the cups just empty. I pray for water fresh Alex basically. Brandon Handley 26:19 Yes, like that. I get it. So, you know, you're, it sounds like you're going through, you know, just kind of the growth mode, right, of how to make it all work and how to, you know, this is the thing that you want to be doing. And I think we talked a little bit at the beginning, like, you know, universe is gonna throw like little things that you'd be like, Are you sure that's what you want to do? And, you know, you've got to kind of work through that to show the universe that God however you want to look at it. Right that, yeah, this is the thing I want to be doing. So stop fussing with it. Unknown Speaker 26:51 Right. It's like the little squirrel on the tree, like throwing nuts. That's it? And you're like, where's this? Brandon Handley 26:58 So, you know, look, parent parenting, I think is one of those things where, again, yeah, we want them. We, it's a challenge. We want them to want us sometimes more than they actually need us. And even that's a challenge, right? As we're growing, because like, What do you mean, you don't need me anymore? So and again, that just caused you to kind of go back into the womb I identity questions, what am I attached to? Right, just another opportunity to look at your attachments of yourself and all that other. Egotistical shifted, I don't know how to talk to so all good there. But as so look, you got it, you guys are figuring it all out. Right? And you're working it through. So what's, you know, what's on the rise for a line and rise? What are you guys looking to do with this platform? Oh, Unknown Speaker 27:49 man, we Well, here's the thing. We, we I think that that the really cool thing about doing something that you don't know, is that you constantly get to learn. And so, I mean, we've taken so many pivots, we've turned so many times already, like, we don't know exactly where we're headed. But we we I mean, we, we have some ideas, we have some thoughts about where we're where we're going, but it feels like every time that we do something, you always have something else that's kind of up the ante and up the ante, you know, like, it's like, you know, when we first started the podcast, and, you know, we're learning all these things, and doing all these things and recording that we never knew how to do to begin with. So we do those things. And we're like, Okay, now we're good. And then we're like, we're not interviewing anybody, obviously, we're just gonna do and then now we started interviewing, and now we're being interviewed. And now we're starting to do tic TOCs. And now we're starting to Instagram lives. And so we don't really know. But that's the beauty of just having trust and faith that the universe has your back. And that when you believe that your intuition is always guiding you and that it's never wrong, then you open up freedom and space to constantly pivot and constantly move. And that's kind of I think, and Americans speak for, for herself in this point, that that's kind of where it feels like we're headed is just that we're constantly moving. And we're constantly like, this is one moment that, you know, with the block, shall we call it but it's not even really a block. It's just like, we're there together. We're pointing it out together. She's like, Yes, I see this clearly. Let's move through it. How can I and then so she's figuring out like, Hey, I just got to free up one more day for myself so I can get these things done. And then I can focus on this. Just podcasts on this day, because she wants it and so you know, you're talking about you know the universe saying Oh, do you wanted enough? Well, We want this it just happens that we are two people. And we're both affected. Because it's ours. It's I'm not just finding rise. I'm it's Tamara and Devin that is aligned in rise. So I feel like then a book that we're reading the 12 week year, he talks about accountability. But he said, accountability is never like someone else, you know, you don't get to blame someone else when you don't do something. Accountability is just so that that person can help you measure your goals and make sure that you're staying on track, but it's still yours. You know, we have this tainted view of like, accountability, that that part in this book, really, because I think a lot of times people are like, just keep me accountable. And then if you don't like if you're not like, Hey, did you work out? Hey, did you work out? They're like, Oh, you didn't keep me? No, no, no, no, no, you're accountable for you. I'm here to help you, I'm here to help, you know, guide you, but you still have to go push play, and you still have to lift the weights. And so that's, um, you know, how we're getting over any blocks that we come up, this isn't the first time like that, you know, we've headed over a block and and then we just take a turn, because maybe something may be slowing us down so that we could see this thing over here that we're really interested in. And that's kind of so we're really, I think, just focused on being guided by our own intuition. And, you know, call it spirituality call it whatever. Yeah, that's where tomorrow, I don't know if you have anything else to add. But Unknown Speaker 31:33 I just want to add that we, I think I started this, like, we had a little woman's conference with our book club a couple years ago. And I kind of started this, everything works out exactly as it's supposed to. And it didn't matter what it was, every time something would happen. We'd feel like there was like a little stone thrown in the way or like a blip in our plan. I would just say that. And I'm really leaning into that right now. Like all of the things that kind of feel tough and a little bit gray and a little bit like where are we going? It like Deb said it's honestly just leaning in trusting the process. And just really trusting that everything works out exactly as it's supposed to. Brandon Handley 32:18 Really, like Joseph Campbell, follow your bliss kind of thing. You guys are working. Is that what I'm hearing? Unknown Speaker 32:25 Yeah. We I've never heard of him, but it sounds great. Oh, Brandon Handley 32:32 that's terrible. I have to boot you know, Unknown Speaker 32:36 maybe just send me a link. Brandon Handley 32:39 I guess I could do that. That doesn't seem as aggressive or anything like that. Unknown Speaker 32:42 Does that make you nicer? Brandon Handley 32:46 No shock factor there. Unknown Speaker 32:50 So one thing I do want to add, though, is go ahead if that's okay. Yeah. In terms of like, where we're heading to is we're just like constantly pivoting and moving and what wherever we're supposed to be as where we're supposed to be one of our biggest part of our vision, I guess the biggest part of it. Yeah, our dream is to, again, we have no idea what it looks like. But we see ourselves like speaking on stages, we would love to host a conference, like a mindset conference, where we're focusing on, like, our health and wealth and spiritual, all of the things to do with like, this growth journey, and just sharing tips and tricks and coming together with other people that have things that they can offer to serve other people in creating something really big and fun out of it. Brandon Handley 33:46 Yeah, let me look, it's kind of like, um, before coming on this podcast, because sometimes speak that out loud, right? Because sometimes we hold these dreams and and we're like, Ah, I'm not gonna tell anybody. Just go eat, see what happens. Not gonna tell anybody this is what I want, though speaking it into a corner, but like, you know, speaking some of that stuff out loud to the people that you know, so they know, right? Like, you know what, I was talking to somebody else that would like to do something similar. How can I connect you guys, right? So I think that, you know, in terms of sharing that type of information, what is your vision? What does that look like for you? And for others that are tuning in? They can they might, you know, a hear your journey and be like, Hey, I would like to start a podcast with a friend and what's that look like? It looks like not knowing what you're doing and then going to do it. Right, which is, you know, that's the first step for a lot of anybody, right? Just make a decision to go ahead and do it. How do you feel, you know, a big part two of all this is now that you feel like you're connected spiritually. You know, how do you how do you feel like You're integrating that like every day sounds to me, like, you know, what was what was your mantra earlier tomorrow? Like, yeah, this is meant to be. Everything works out exactly. Unknown Speaker 35:11 Works out exactly as it's supposed to. Yeah. Brandon Handley 35:15 We know, one of the questions I've certainly gotten before is like he without, without, like, definite vision or a plan? Is anybody beating you up on that you know, Unknown Speaker 35:26 at all? About it having a vision or plan? Well, you know, it'd Brandon Handley 35:30 be like, what's your plan, you need to have a plan, you gotta have a plan. If you don't have anything that you don't have a target, where are you gonna go? You know, is that anybody? Anything that's come up in your conversations? Are you just again, you know, following following your face? Unknown Speaker 35:43 Hmm. Well, I remember having this conversation about not having expectations. And that's not like, we don't give a shit. No expectations. It's honestly, and Deb can touch more on this, because I love how she says it. But basically, like, if we have this narrow path of where we're going, there's so many things we're gonna miss out on. Because we're, we have our blinders on. And we're like, this is this one thing that we want. There's so many other things for us. And if we're just like, hey, no expectations, the world is our oyster. We have so many more opportunities to grow and pivot along the way, because we have we see see more opportunities. Mm hmm. Unknown Speaker 36:27 Yeah, I, we that was our beginning of our year that we started out with the no expectations, like I had done a week in the giant in Book Club. I think it was just me, and maybe one of the other girls, because it's like a massive book by Tony Robbins. And he even says in there, he talks about how so this like, actually ended up playing into our conversation when we started talking about it in January of last year, because I had read the book in November, December. And so it was like, he talks about how like, it's good to get like goals, like you can say I want to live in a house on the ocean. But he said, You don't have to be like, it has to be blue with yellow shutters. And it has to look exact, he's like, it doesn't have to be that specific. And then when you do that, it's like, so limited to like, it has to look exactly like this, or I am not accepting it. And what that just doesn't feel good. So like, we have decided that this like last year, for example, that our our plans are, what they are like we we have this plan to host a conference, our friend owns. She just bought a motel last year, and she's working on creating a retreat center. That's happening, her dreams, and ours are aligning. We've talked about it with her, we've discussed it, we've dreamt we've had these visions, and we've had visions separately, all three of us. And then we share them to each other. We're like, this is what I saw. And this is you know, like. And so there's this beautiful part, that makes me really excited that like, I can only dream up of mostly like what we create, unless we sit down very intentionally, to dream really, really big, which most of us do not do. We know what we know. And we're like, Well, I guess, you know, like, you could say, well, you know, you don't have a car, you're like, Well, I guess I could just like maybe maybe I could just get like a Honda Civic or something. But when you're required to dream big, you're like, you need to ask for like, you know, a McLaren or like a Lamborghini. Or like, it's, we're not. And I think that we get like, held down by that we get held down by the fact that we you know, it's just like just just down here. Just ask for the things down here. But in reality, the universe is like, what do you want, like, just open it up. And then that thing gets to look like however it wants to look. So if Tamara and I are walking on the path, and we see a window open, we can poke her head through, we don't have to commit to fully go in there. But we can like look in and see if it's something that we've won. And then if we don't we just keep going. But we we got to see, we got to see what we liked or what we didn't want or you know, whatever. Um, I think that's the beauty of like spiritual journey is the beauty of like, where our podcast is headed. To this we know that it's headed like this is practice for us. Like all of the stuff that we're doing all the podcasting being on your show, like this is all practice. There was a time when we first started we were so nervous. I'm sure you can relate to that feeling when you first start a podcast you're like, it's like a little jittery and now and I did not like being in front of cameras just asked me I like was not okay with it. And now it doesn't even faze me. You know. So you get used to these things and it's like Okay, so now we know this Now we get to level up again, what's the next step? And what's? So I think that's the part I'm most excited about is like, I don't know what I don't know. So like, as I level up, I get to see the next thing. And then I'm like, okay, like, this is exciting. And then we go through some more growth and it's painful. Yeah, exactly. You know, Brandon Handley 40:21 right, right now, like you're saying, you know, when you first start off, right, it's kind of scary. And it's also, we we ask for the things we think we can get right? Like, I'll take a Honda, pretty sure I can get a fucking Honda. Like, yeah, but you know, then you're like, but what I really like is a fleet of McLaren. So they can get one like, every different day and different colors and like, and so you know, but we don't we, we've been taught to, you know, kind of, just keep our heads down and, and work hard and flop. Blah, blah, there's no fun in that. There's, it's, it's hard to it's hard to imagine yourself being bigger if you're, you know, always grinding away, right, something along those lines, at any rate, what I like about sorry, that too, is like, you know, you're sharing your stories with the other friend who's gotten the hotel bill in the retreat centers. It's kind of like synchronicity, right. The things that's what's the whole the whole idea of like, you know, what you seek is seeking you type of thing. Yeah, totally. So look, man, I get it, right. No expectations, here's what we want to do. Here's how we want to feel why we do it. This is how we already feel while we're doing what we're doing. We're gonna keep doing it. We're doing something over here. Doesn't feel right. If it doesn't align, we can't rise. I'm gonna run with that. Right? And yes. So thanks for sharing that. Let me get to a part here that I like to get to. Unless there was anything else you wanted to tag on to that last part. Unknown Speaker 42:01 I'm good. Unknown Speaker 42:03 Actually, I do. I'm just like a little backstory on like Devin and me and our friend has the hotel. So the three of us actually started a book club together, before we even like, really stepped into this like, journey together. And so yeah, we just like had this little vision of like, oh, let's like start reading some books together. And now we're literally planning, mindset and spiritual retreats. World Brandon Handley 42:32 domination, that's Unknown Speaker 42:33 pretty cool. I got world money. Brandon Handley 42:38 I got that. It's great. And the thing that you're you're seeing is that you're all helping each other to grow. And more than just like a spiritual sense. And I think that's pretty cool. So this is a little part that I like to get to, in regards to do even just this whole podcast space, right? So somebody tuned into this podcast or to tune into your podcasts or on their spiritual journey. It's like a spiritual speed dating session, right? So like, I'm gonna tune in for like, one hour or 30 minutes or whatever, is that this podcast, you know, tickles my spiritual fancy, then I'll keep hanging out. So in that vein, I've actually got two bachelor's, this will be fun. So I'm going to ask a couple of questions related to spirituality. So let's see here. Doo doo doo doo. These aren't that great, but we'll run with them. Bachelot number one, if you're in a bad mood. Do you prefer to be left alone or have someone cheer you up? Unknown Speaker 43:42 Here's bachelor number one. Brandon Handley 43:43 Take a choice. Unknown Speaker 43:47 Your Bachelorette number one? Sure. Unknown Speaker 43:51 I need to be alone. Definitely alone, like doing some meditating doing some deep breathing. Going for a walk. Like Please don't talk to me. Because I might say something I regret Brandon Handley 44:07 Fair enough. Bachelot number two. Unknown Speaker 44:11 Oh, I get the same. Okay. I also, um, I I'm just trying to think here. I think that initially, I definitely need to be left alone, but I do enjoy like a hug after I've processed some things. So then I want someone who like rub my back and give me a hug. But first, yeah, like bath. It's like bath time. It's like bubble bath, Brandon Handley 44:37 or something. Yeah, no, if I'm here and leave me the hell alone. Yeah, I'm gonna have to process this. Yeah. Let's see. This would be the last one here to do to do tu tu tu. I like to always ask, you know, do you use feel like our current religion is serving us or not? It's rare that won't go to you. Unknown Speaker 45:07 Yep, she's, she's Bachelorette number one. Like our current religious. Brandon Handley 45:13 Like, like, you know, it's Christina. Oh, yeah, like, for example, like Christianity is Christianity is organized religion serving. So we're not Unknown Speaker 45:23 this is a good way. This is how I view juicy. This is how I view so I am not religious, I am Christian. And I feel like the difference is in religion, we are not given a choice. Myself, I view myself as like a Christian who has the choice, I get to choose whether I want to have a relationship with God, in our family growing up, we were never forced to go to church, we had the choice, we had the option if we wanted to, we could, we weren't put in this box of like, these are the rules. And if you do not follow them, like we're booting you out. And so my experience as a Christian has just been being accepted and loved for exactly who I am. In all of my rough moments, and my falling and my stumbling. And all of those things I've just been showed love and grace. And so I am showing that love and grace to other people. And Deb touched on that earlier when we were talking that, and I didn't know that you felt so strongly that love for me like I had no idea. And so clearly in hearing that from Deb, it is serving a purpose for me. Brandon Handley 46:48 I love it. I love it. Devin, what about you? You lost a religion? Yeah, found it. You found spirituality. So let's do it. Let's talk about what that look like for you. Unknown Speaker 46:58 So the question is, do I think that religion is what serves Brandon Handley 47:04 serving, serving, serving, you know, is religion serving like us? Well, Unknown Speaker 47:12 oh, this is such a hard one. Because I know I know people who are amazing, that are devout to whatever their faith is. Brandon Handley 47:24 This one's just yes for me. Unknown Speaker 47:25 Oh, I don't know how to do that without like, I just up my brain, the squirrels are running. And I just feel like I need to think about this for like every single person in the world. I myself, No, I do not think that religion is serving us to the highest purpose. I think that I think that how do I want to word this? We're humans. And we all are like I wrote this the other day in one of my posts that were just like all like balls of childhood trauma, just like walking around in life with these like tainted perceptions that have been delivered to us, religiously, politically, society, cultural, everything. And we carry that and then we think that we're right, and then so we take whatever scripture is. That speaks to us, or that were a part of whatever religious sect that we're a part of, or whatever. And we will sometimes use that to condone behavior or to totally alienate and discriminate behavior as well. And I you can call me maybe like a naive spiritualist. But I have used this so many times in different discussions when we have discussed things that were like push button topics like hot button topics. And I'm like, Can we all just get along? I'm like, if we were just balls of energy floating around in space or heaven, we would not be seeing all the things that we see here on this earth, we wouldn't see those things. We would just see light, and we would see energy. And it wouldn't be what we are framing everything to be around down here on Earth. Everything is framed around these different things. And we think that we're right. And I think when you think that you're right, and you don't leave any open doors to listen to other people. I think that's that is I don't I don't agree with it. I don't I don't like it. It doesn't make me feel good. And I have been in that space before Brandon Handley 49:57 you so you're saying religion is a bunch of clothes. Doors. I mean, that's what I'm hearing. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 50:04 I a bunch of closed doors. It can be, I think that it very much can be because people get very stuck. They're like, this is what it says. And I'm like, Yeah, but then you talk to someone else. Yes. Okay. And so like that has to do with us just being these balls of childhood trauma of loose like things happening. And we created these perceptions. And that's why we read it that way. Right? It doesn't make it true. It's just your truth. Brandon Handley 50:33 For sure. For sure. Not it's a course earlier this year. And terminologies was it's a truth, not the truth. Right. So the truth, of course, that Well, ladies, thank you so much. This has been a blast. I appreciate having you on today. Where can people go and find a little bit more, Tamara and Devin on the line and rise podcast? Unknown Speaker 51:03 Tomorrow, no, she can throw out? Unknown Speaker 51:08 Well, I'm waiting for you. So Unknown Speaker 51:12 I know, we kind of have everything grouped together on our Instagram page, which is a line underscore and underscore rise. And we have our podcast stuff linked there, so you can listen to us. And this is a really good reminder to me, I need to link our tic tock there because we just started some fun little tic TOCs. And our little highlight is like can we have three minutes of your time. And we just have three minute little videos on random topics that we're feeling that we just like, pour into and that is kind of like our thing. So that's where you can find this. Brandon Handley 51:51 Awesome. Awesome. Thanks for having us. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker 51:56 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dough podcast. Stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove.co. You can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual dough, and Instagram at spiritual underscore Joe. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email through Brandon at spiritual dope CO and as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don't forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time, be kind to yourself and trust your intuition.

Kerri Hummingbird, Soul Guide and host of Soul Nectar Show, is the #1 international best-selling author of "The Second Wave: Transcending the Human Drama" and the award-winning best-selling book "Awakening To Me: One Woman's Journey To Self Love" which describes the early years of her spiritual awakening. Ms. Hummingbird inspires people to lead their lives wide awake with an authenticity, passion and purpose that positively impacts others. She catalyzes mind-shifts that transform life challenges into gifts of wisdom. Her newest book, already a #1 int'l bestseller, is called "Love Is Fierce: Healing the Mother Wound" and describes the most direct path to spiritual enlightenment. Connect with Kerri at: https://kerrihummingbird.com/ Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Brandon Handley 0:41 Hey there spiritual dope. We are on here today with Carrie hummingbird, Soul guide and host of soul nectar show she's number one International Best Selling Author of the second wave transcending the human drama and the award winning best selling book, awakening to me one woman's journey to self love, which describes the early years her her spiritual awakening, Miss hummingbird inspires people to lead their lives wide awake with an authentic, passionate purpose that positively impacts others, she catalyzes miles just to transform life challenges into gifts of wisdom. Her newest book already number one international bestsellers called Love is fierce healing the mother wound and describes the most direct path to spiritual enlightenment. I think everybody wants that right? Like, do not pass go, just you know straight to the end. Guys pretty funny, you said you know, you're gonna you're gonna let intuition guide. And that's really how we kind of start this whole thing off every time here. And the idea is, you know, somebody out there tune in today is tune in to hear what source is sending through you, since we're, you know, vehicles of Source Energy, right? What what is what's coming through you today that that listener needs to hear Kerri Hummingbird 2:02 what's coming through loud and clear is slow down, really slow down, slow down, restrain, get still get in nature, put your feet on the earth, put your hand over your heart, the other hand over your belly, and just really be present with this vehicle that we most of us ride. Like it's just a bucking bronco. And we just need to actually be gentle with this, this animals as being that we are in the integration of our spirit with this, this animal, basically, you know, it's an animal. And a lot of times, we're kind of mean to our animals, you know, we don't necessarily feed it that well or take good care of it, we kind of expected to work 12 hour days, and then just be perky at night to have fun. Oh, so we slow down, the things are so hectic. And you know, COVID couldn't even slow us down. It's kind of amazing how even COVID didn't slow us down because we're right back at it, you know, and we need to really heat that heat that message because really what happens is like we get into connection with some deeper vibratory patterns on the planet, when we slow down, we get connected with the heartbeat of this mother that we all share this Mother Earth. And when we get connected with that heartbeat, and that rhythm of the Earth, actually, things are way less struggle. It's way less effort connected from that heartbeat space, that rhythm of the earth. Things can get easier. Life gets easier. Brandon Handley 3:40 Right? I love the idea of kind of for you sounds like there's almost two heartbeat synchronizations right, first of all, kind of get get in sync with your own heart. What is it a HeartMath Institute, which I think has some really great work done with it. And then identifying Earth as though it were a living being as well. And then kind of getting your rhythm in sync with that. Is that kind of which is that kind of what you're saying? Kerri Hummingbird 4:15 Yeah, absolutely is set really as if it it is a living being you know, I think most people think the Earth is a floor and they walk around on it. But the Earth is a living breathing being and trees are living breathing beings and plants and animals and and including us. And we have this we have these beautiful technologies, right like we're we're on technology right now. It lets us have a conversation from wherever you are to wherever I am, could be anywhere around the entire world, people could be listening. That is so amazing as such a great product of the mind. And we're listening from a body from a body that has a heartbeat that has lungs that has muscle souls that has senses, you know, awarenesses when we allow ourselves to get out of our minds and into the body, that's actually where the real game is, you know, a lot of people, including my son, you know, both of my sons, especially my younger son, they love the computer games, like, just let me play computer games all day long, I'm happy, they'll just stay in my room and play computer games. And I keep trying to tell them, you know, that's really interesting in your mind, but there's actually like, some really trippy stuff that happens when you get off the computer and get in deeply into your human experience. And into the earth experience. There's some super mystical, amazing stuff that happens in that process that really blows it out of the water in terms of what's more amazing. Brandon Handley 5:53 What's an example that you'd like to use for them? Kerri Hummingbird 5:57 Oh, yeah, I love this one that I'm thinking about this time that I was in training with the power path School of shamanism. And I was on a retreat, three days in the woods, you know, no, no food, no brain oriented things by myself with a 10 and some water. And I got bored after the first day, you know, the end of the first day, and I'm like, Okay, what am I going to do now? There's no books to read. There's no, there's nothing brain oriented. I'd already done all the things I set up the campsite, I made my medicine wheel. I mean, I did everything. So now what I did just be so I went and stood up on this rock, I found this rock. And it was like a stage because it was really big. I went up and sat stood up on the stage. And I started practicing Healing Songs. Because in this program, we learned how to sing Healing Songs, like from the jungle and Icaros they call them. So I'm up on there singing the Icaros. And in this acre, I was calling in support like, you know, Bear COME TO ME NOW and Firefly coming to, you know, whatever, I could think of singing a song. And at the end of several verses, I got this little giggle and I thought, you know, I'm gonna innovate hummingbird. And is the moment I started singing in Hummingbird, an actual hummingbird flew through the forest, and hovered right in front of my third eye, about 12 inches away from my third eye. And it stayed there. As my eyes got huge, Brandon Handley 7:36 some real snow. Like, way, like Alright, what else? Can we you know, did you What else did you call in? Kerri Hummingbird 7:43 conjuring up? So, I mean, I basically was like, so in other words, you come when I call and it nodded. And then it flew away. Awesome. Brandon Handley 7:53 That's pretty intense, for sure. Um, it's a hard sell on a couple of boys in the video games, right? What is my guess? Well, again, I think that that's super impactful. They're just not there yet. Right. And I think that that's part of the challenge is, you know, that growth into recognizing just how powerful an experience like that can be. When you're in tune sounds like when you're in tune with the way you were, in that moment, kind of with your heart and the Earth's vibration as well. Kerri Hummingbird 8:29 Yeah, it's it's a, it's a slowing down. Now. I don't, I don't judge my kids. I mean, they're young, right. And I gotta tell you, my mind was filled up when I was their age. I, I'm not sure there was any space, there was a rock concert going on inside my head. You know, like, all the time. It was so busy and so loud. And I remember I used to have to sit at stoplights. And just to deal with the fact that there was a stoplight. I had to count, like to start counting 1002 1003 1004 Just to get through the fact that I had to wait at the stoplight. That's how impatient I was. Brandon Handley 9:08 I get it, right. I know that. Geez. I used to drive so fast and reckless. Right? Like I just kind of go anywhere I could as fast as I could traffic, weaving in and out doing whatever. Somebody's slowing down and be like, ah, freaking out. Right? Why is this? And now just like whatever man, you know? Yeah, sure. You know, it's it's, it's, we're slowing down. And that's just that's just what we're doing here right now. Being okay with it. But I totally I totally get it. So let's let's walk through right like kind of how you even found yourself in this space, because I'm sure that you weren't always calling hummingbirds to your to your third eye. All right. So let's let's get to it. Let's let's start off kind of a little bit in the beginning. You know, you're you're deep into spirituality space right now. You're doing Sam Stick you're doing. I'd last time you and I had a quick conversation. You're doing plant medicine, you've got a lot going on, who, you know, who were you before? How did you fall into spirituality? Because that's usually my experience is like most people just kind of like, oh, there it is. Right? And then, you know, kind of rolling into the next piece. And then you know, what's happening now? What's happening now? Kerri Hummingbird 10:24 Yeah, so Well, I, I was always spending time I was 15, a teenager, I was in psychotherapy, because I was, you know, my parents were very concerned that I was going to have mental challenges because I didn't really rocky early beginning, in my life, the first five years of my life were a little traumatic, between my natural father and my mother's first choice of father who was a violent drunk. And, you know, so the trauma of that experience, and anybody who's listening who's had a similar experience, my heart just goes out to you, because I know how long it's taken me to get safe in my body from that experience, but I was doing psychotherapy to kind of, you know, work on fixing me because I had big emotional swings. And, you know, I kind of prone to some wild behavior, which were all signs of that early trauma, you know, from psycho therapies point of view. So I was trying to do it that way from the mind. And it was okay. I mean, I got some coping skills. But when I became a mother at 30, everything just flew out the window, you know, I was immersed in a darkness that I can't even explain, but it was profound, you know, and struggling to be happy, I wanted to be happy I wanted a child, that was completely my choice, I wanted to have a baby. And I was, I was actually really upset that I was so upset, you know, because I really wanted to have this experience. And when it didn't work out that way, I was in deeper psychotherapy. And then they put me on some pills, because, you know, that's sort of the Western medical solution as well just stop feeling that so here's some pills and make that go away. So I did that, you know, I kind of coped that way for a while. But what I finally realized was that there was a lot of limitation in the dynamic between me and my spouse, because we were playing very traditional roles. And that wasn't working out for me, you know, when I became a mother, those traditional roles, like, they didn't work anymore. When I'm saying that, I mean, like, you know, the whole knight in shining armor thing, you know, I really liked that I liked having that knight in shining armor, and I liked sort of being the Maiden in distress. But when you're the mother, that doesn't fly very well, you know, because somebody has got to take care of the baby. And that was me, you know, that was my job. I mean, I was the one with the breast milk. So you know, it's kind of my job, you know, to take care of this baby. And I couldn't just fall apart, you know, the way I had previously in my life, or run away or get away from it somehow. So that was the beginning of learning how to stay in the conversation and learning how to deepen within myself. And at that moment, what I actually needed was spirituality, I deeply, deeply, deeply needed spiritual connection, I needed to understand that it was okay to open to some bigger support, you know, it was okay to open myself and I and I was subconsciously doing that because I was an artist. So it was always outside painting. So in some way, some part of me knew you need to be outside, you need to be in nature. And I spent hours out there painting, because I just needed to get out and get connected. I didn't even understand what I was doing. I just was kind of doing it. But I remember I used to walk the baby, I take these long walks, because he was so colicky our first child who took the brunt of our synthesis of polarity for a child took the brunt of all that. And I remember walking him, you know, on around the neighborhood. And I would always walk by this center for spiritual enlightenment. And my body would come to a halt. And my head would turn was look at I would feel a little yearning, like, I think I need to go in there. And then I would have a million reasons why I shouldn't namely, because my partner didn't believe in all that. And if I spent money on that, it'd be an argument is what I would turn away from it and keep walking. Right? So that was also just a big part of my journey. So those motherhood really called me up, you know, it called me up to make a stand. And it took me a while to make it. It didn't actually make that stand until I was my oldest child was going into middle school. And I finally things got bad enough meaning that I was I was really self abusing by holding myself back from my power and my Wisdom in my knowing and trying to fit into that tiny little box that society had made for me of the maiden. And it wasn't working. So I ended up leaving him and heading out on my own and opening to the great mystery. And pretty soon found a teacher that helped me to start to own my feminine and own the fact that whoa, I'm not small and skinny. I'm like, big and expansive. I have this thing called intuition. That's telling me things that he's not getting. I am emotional, because I'm designed that way. And feeling those emotions is actually what gives me the knowledge, the wisdom I need inside to cope with situations. So there is just all this unfolding that happened over the last decade, that has been amazing and tremendous, and has guided me to heal any places where I was holding blame for him, because it wasn't his fault that I was having an awakening. Brandon Handley 16:04 Yeah, a lot to unpack there. But I mean, you know, a big part of it, right is when the depression state right, or like we getting the medicated thing, when they've seen Western medicine, like you're saying, it's just like, to give you this thing to help you get rid of it as really, you're just cutting off a piece of your own internal guidance, right. And again, that's just my perception was that the way that you were feeling like when you when you kind of got that medication there was like, it's isolation of feelings, or almost like a, like a soft knocking at the door that you just couldn't answer. Kerri Hummingbird 16:48 You know, for me, I was with the birth of my child, I was drowning in my emotions, and my depression, I was seeing visions of big holes in the floor, like I saw this vision in the shower of a big dark hole opening up in the middle of the floor, like going somewhere in other regions, right. So I was having wild impulses. So for me, it was actually helpful at first to take the edge off that extreme experience. So that I could provide for my child because I needed to be present, right, I needed to be able to be a safe place for this baby. So I had to be on that, I think at first, only because I did not have the training before my motherhood and how to handle my emotions. Now had I been trained earlier, and how to channel my emotional experience, and how to move through waves of emotion while staying grounded and present. And being a safe place. For others. Even though I'm experiencing my emotions, that would have been a completely different experience. And I probably wouldn't have broken down the way I did. Okay, real quick. And if I'd done some healing to Brandon Handley 17:56 you real quickly, before we move on from that, right? What are some of those tools that if you had had prior to or some of that knowledge, if you're able to share it? That would have been beneficial? Right, that, you know, looking back said, hey, you know, just would have would have been nicer, no sooner? Kerri Hummingbird 18:15 Yeah, like. I really think that being aware that emotions are a sign that something's out of balance, instead of a sign that you're crazy or broken. Number one, that would have been really great to know that. And because I didn't know that I of course, wanted to suppress my emotions, because I didn't want to be crazy and broken. So I think that's a judgment that collectively as a society, we could start unwinding and untangling that to make emotions normal. And to help each other to feel them. So that's on a bigger level, but at the at the individual level. You know, just listen to my words and hear me when I say you're not broken and crazy, if you have emotions, you're human. And whenever I'm having them now, a lot of times what I'll do is hold myself, so put my hand over my heart, a hand over my belly. If I'm feeling grief, I'll let myself cry. And, and just until it passes, and even if I'm in a like situation where you're not supposed to cry. Like yesterday, I was at brunch with my mom and some big emotion came up because I was reading to her from her her profile, her jinkies profile, and I was having this huge realization about what a blessing she was for me in my life because she was this essence this energy that I needed. And I was reading to her and I was I looked at her and I said, Mom, I just I resented you so much for being exactly this, but this is your design and I just burst into tears. And that's okay with me. I think don't care anymore. If people see me crying, I don't, that is so genuine to cry with that realization and to share that moment with my mom, even though we're out in public at a restaurant. It's just, it's just so beautiful. And I don't judge it anymore. So I think like, feel your feelings. And if other people are uncomfortable with that, well, that's their job, that's their work to do is to get more comfortable with you expressing your feelings. And, you know, if you feel angry, that's one that I tried to, you know, to process without directing it at someone I really, I that's the only caveat I would have is express the emotion and just do your best not to express it at someone, you know, like, like, own that emotion is completely yours. Do your processing with it. For me with anger, I like to you know, I like to go ride off on some country road and just like roar, like a lion, you know, just like, get somewhere and just roar like I'm in the jungle because it's just energy. It's just like fire energy from the will center usually. And so you just need to kind of roar that crap out just like yeah, just like, Release the Kraken? Brandon Handley 21:10 No, that's a great one, right? I mean, it's just, it's just this kind of pent up energy that's gotten you feeling like one sort of way. And there's a way to release it. And I like what you're saying there not to release it at somebody, but to release it just in general. Kerri Hummingbird 21:25 Right? Yeah. And it's really hard for men to release anger. I had this client once, who was, um, he was probably like, six foot three, six foot four, big guy, but big teddy bear guy. But you know, he had anger. But he had repressed it all because he wasn't allowed to express his anger in front of his father, right, his father kind of had his thumb on him. And he also wasn't definitely not supposed to express anger at or in front of women. You know, that was just not cool. So when I was coaching him, I had to, I was like, well, you're gonna have to release that anger. So let's try the roar. You know, and he's wearing my house, you know, so he's, he's like, I can't even he couldn't even open his throat to do it. He, like literally couldn't do it. And so I did it for him. I said, I did it first. I was like, Okay, I'm going to do it. So you know, it's okay. And when he felt my grounded power with my own anger, that made it safe, actually, for him to feel his anger, because he knew I could handle it. And I think this is a big message for women. You know, if you want your guys to express their anger in a safe way, then you have to feel your anger and, and really own your anger. And let yourself express that so that you can become a safe place for anger to be communicated. You know, but if you're if you don't own your own anger, and you play that victim role on the triangle, you know, then then there's just no place for authenticity to happen in the relationship. Brandon Handley 22:55 Like it's a triangle, you're talking like the Drama Triangle, the Drama Triangle. Kerri Hummingbird 22:59 Oh, yeah, triangle disempowerment triangle. Brandon Handley 23:02 Got it. Very cool. It's funny. You're bringing up the anger bit, right? I'm going through this book right now. Bringing your shadow out of the dark, right. And I think I just got done doing anger, that the deal is we we all think it's like the bad thing. But again, to your point, if you go back to when you're talking about emotions, they're just showing you something about what you're what's happening. And I think even stronger cases is that we're generally not taught and it sounds like you know, you weren't taught to pay attention to your motion is easy, like, I'm not supposed to have this emotion. Case in point is like, you know, you're you've got your, your firstborn. You want to be happy. You can't figure out how to get happy then there's like this vicious like, kind of cycle of wire and I something's wrong with me, because I'm not happy in this situation. What's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? Right? And that's not it, right? Like, you're just feeling a certain way. And like you said, you're human. And as humans, we, one of the side effects or benefits, however, you want to take a look at it, we feel. And I think one of the worst worst things is we're not taught how to cope with them, like you were saying. And I think you know, getting getting getting that kind of lesson sooner rather than later is very important. Kerri Hummingbird 24:25 Yeah, and there's a lot of there's a lot of expectation that women place on themselves when they become mothers, like, huge expectations about being perfect and being loving all the time. And always being giving and always being nurturing and always, always, always, and that is an impossible standard to me, because you're a human being. And especially if you don't take care of yourself. I've seen so many women that they just sublimate themselves to the family. Then they bend over backwards doing things everything for everybody. And they get celebrated when they do that, by the way, too. So it reinforces the role of like surrendering yourself or everybody else in the family about yourself. And that actually sets a really bad role model. Because now you're saying to everybody, you know, just surrender yourself completely to everybody else. And don't, don't worry about what's good for you, or to even take care of your own body. And, you know, even get the exercise you need, or even like, either right meals that you need, or get the emotional support that you need, like, completely, leave yourself behind and throw yourself under the bus to be like this corporate employee and go out there and do right You because You love your replicate the model. So I think it's better and it's brave and courageous. And you definitely can take a lot of flack for it. But for those moms who feel courageous, is to start stepping out of those expectations, like, actually get clear, what is a good example? Like, what would be a healthy way for me to live? And then what do I want to teach my kids? Like? How do I want to model healthy behavior, and self care for my kids, and not just what to say it, and then do something else, but actually stick by it, which means you have to have boundaries, and then that teach healthy boundaries to the kids to by your example. And it's when we won't do those things out of fear of not belonging, or being rejected or being criticized? Those are the things that hold us back is that fear? So I think, you know, one of the major realizations I've had about this whole paradigm is how it's a system. So our family systems are based on these expectations of each other, like the knight in shining armor, and I'm going to be the damsel in distress, and you're just going to rescue me, however, then I become a mother. And that just throws the whole thing out the wash, you know, it's like, well, that doesn't work anymore. And now there's this question of, well, how am I getting nourished? Right? And I've seen women all over the map with how they handle that disparity between being a maid and where everything was being rescued for you, and being a mother where you have to do everything. It's like, how do you navigate that? And then what is, you know, what's the masculine in the picture doing? You know? Because, like, how do you react to that? So there's, there's just so much just so juicy in that conversation of that, like, how we each choose to show up and be full humans, in the family, I think is like the answer from our hearts, you know, taking a spiritual journey, looking at our own shadows, as you were talking about owning those shadows, not stepping over anything. If anger comes up, anger is there. If resentment comes up resentments, they're seeing what that has to share with you. You know, for me, whenever resentment came up, it was telling me, Carrie, you're not taking care of yourself. You're not resourced. You needed to slow down and be resourceful. Brandon Handley 27:58 That makes sense, right? Because you're probably seeing everybody else's fully being taken care of, and getting everything that they need. And you're like, What the hell, right? And he starts to resent all that. That's simply because you're, you've given everything to everybody else, but you haven't given anything to yourself. In a scenario like that. D, you know, so the Thanks for Thanks for you know, talking, I guess about a couple of tools to write about things that you could use right? Before? Before before. Before time's right. And then, you know, so you're walking, you're doing your walks, and you're going past the US on past, like, your spirituality place. Did you ever step into that spirituality? Place? Or is Kerri Hummingbird 28:43 it never, I never went in. And I just, I must have stopped there, like, I know, 2030 times. And I was standing freeze and just look at it, even though it was getting more and more desperate, I would just look at you know, and I wouldn't go in, it was crazy that I wouldn't go in there. Brandon Handley 29:01 And you're talking about, you know, kind of this the stand that you took at a certain point. And you also talk about like all these other fears and stigmas about like the society, how they're going to look at you for whatever it is you do. I imagine there was a bit of that as you went through the divorce process. I don't know if that's anything you feel like sharing as part of this process that you went through? Kerri Hummingbird 29:23 Yeah, absolutely. Of course, everybody in my, in my connection, thought it was insane for leaving my husband because on the outside, it looked awesome. You know, I mean, it looked like I was getting everything I wanted, right? I had somebody that liked to party and have fun and go on vacations and we had a nice house and spent money but we even built me a studio. So you know, like an art studio so I could do my art. Like, I looked like I was just getting it all you know, and then nobody can understand. They're like, why are you leaving this guy? And it was because I I was just in my cage. Like there was this cage for me an elephant dictation in our relationship. And I was also up against my own edges. And I didn't have the tools to process that. With psychotherapy, I was still going to psychotherapy, but it was not, it wasn't hitting the mark, like, there's a depth to spirituality that I found is able to really heal, things that are operating that are totally influencing your decisions in your perceptions, but you don't even know it until you get deep enough. And the mind is not deep enough. So trying to solve it by talking about it isn't really deep enough to go. So a lot of the ways that I was looking at him, a lot of the dynamics that were playing out, were part of my soul's curriculum, it was calling me up to speak my truth. It was calling me up to honor myself, it was calling me up to trust my intuition. And, you know, an almost all the arguments we had were all about those things, you know, it'd be him challenging my intuition, it'd be him challenging my honor to be him challenging, you know, he would just poke poke, poke, poke poke at me, and, and it wasn't able to stand my ground, you know, and I was being called up to stand my ground. So if we look at the bigger picture of the evolution of humanity, we can see that the last, you know, several 1000 years has been mostly guided by the masculine energy, and some would say the imbalance, masculine energy, that patriarchal energy, which is sort of suppressing women's intuition and suppressing the feminine and all of us, really, you know, because that feminine and masculine, they live in all of us, no matter what body we have. So now is the time where we're waking that wild, feminine back up, and this is men, women, whatever gender you are, that feminine, that wild, feminine is being woken back up, and for anybody who's like delivered a baby, Ben, a mother in that capacity, it's really wild, the way it wakes up. It's like, it's like, you know, fierce Mama Bear waking up. And that energy had to come through me. But I was always conflict avoidance. So I wanted to be a pleaser, I liked being the golden daughter, I liked being daddy's girl. And here, I was being called up by the shadows to say, you're not daddy's girl, you're a grown ass woman, you're a mom, you need to stand in your power you need if you don't agree, you need to say you don't agree. If you know, there's another way, you need to say, you know, there's no another way. And you need to hold that even if there's no evidence to support you, you know, from the mind. So that's what I the initiation I was being called toward. And I was too chicken, you know, to do it at the time in that relationship, or just didn't have the tools really, to make that leap? Brandon Handley 32:49 It makes sense, right? I mean, you've got a lot of these these other spaces in places that were taught, right, and you're trying to think you have these discussions from the mind, and you're getting them from the heart and the gut. Versus and there's really, you know, it's hard to substantiate that. Right. And, and here, he is challenging all that and a loving relationship. We're just kind of supposed to trust each other out. Right. And that can be challenged, too. So you're, you're you're stuck in your cage, like you said, and then you know, you just decided to stand in your power and make the break. Right. I mean, that was more for the benefit of all parties involved, right? As far as I can tell. And it was time for you to just kind of break free of that paradigm. Kerri Hummingbird 33:38 Yeah, because it wasn't, it wasn't loosening up, you know, it was like getting more and more intense to the place where I was having. I mean, I'd always had a history of having some suicidal ideations, but those got very strong during that period, I had tons of self loathing, I was having nightmares, that would wake me up in the middle of the night with sweats, I was crying all the time, I'd like lock myself in my office, because I worked at home and I would just cry in there. So I knew like this is not whatever this is, is not working. And it's not good for any of us. And admittedly, during that time, for the last two years of our relationship, my self loathing got to the place where I started seeking validation outside of our marriage. So I started having affairs, and you know, short live, like one night or whatever, but it was like that need for some acceptance from some somebody who liked me just the way I was, instead of wanting me to be totally different. So that was, yeah, I was like, I can't go on like that, because that's not at the core of me that wasn't resonating with my integrity, and the person I am inside. So I could see the only reason I was doing that behavior was because of deep deep pain. And if that couldn't be healed through all the work that I've done for 20 years in psychotherapy, and some of the work we've done for a few years in couples therapy Then I had to move on. I mean, there just was I had to make a decision for the benefit of my kids and myself. Brandon Handley 35:07 And look, it makes sense. Right? You were you were? I think you'd set it up, you know, earlier up against it. All right, I would guess the edges. And you weren't seeing any way out. Right. And I think you would have been operating from a severe place of, you know, like claustrophobic, right? Just kind of lashing out just like just anything else. And you had to get out and do what was right for everybody. And it sounds like, it sounds like you did, right. So I mean, you make the break. And now Now though, like, I mean, look, you're, you're in this space, you've got your courses and books. He's got some seminars, you've got a thing coming up at the end of October, we were talking about the beginning here, which will pass by the time this gets released. But I mean, let's talk about, you know, kind of this journey, how it's led you into this spirituality where you said, you know, there's more depth in here than just from the mind, just pray in the spiritual space, love to hear, you know, a little bit more about that, and, and how you're leading from a spiritual place, spiritual place. Kerri Hummingbird 36:15 Yeah, so I think that the biggest decision, the biggest thing that's helped my personal growth in a spiritual path has been my heart stop, like when I had that realization that I don't ever want to be here anymore. And I've got these kids, and I've got to stay for them. That was my heart stop. So it was like, alright, that I have to change whatever it is that needs changing, that's up to me, I've got to take responsibility for that. So I can stay on the planet. So a lot of people don't necessarily have that heart of a stop. But I, it was pretty intense. So I knew that I had to do something. So that level of commitment was there. And that whenever anybody has that level of commitment, then the spiritual growth can be tremendous. Like, it's amazing how much can happen in a short period of time. So my journey started 10 years ago, and this part of my journey started 10 years ago, with my decision to leave and my decision to trust this spirit sign that I got that showed me that was the end of the rope. That's it. I followed that I had no idea was afraid, of course, you know, how am I going to support myself? I haven't really worked full time for a long time. I'm a mom, how are we going to work this out? And I just had to take the journey, you know, and I haven't done it perfectly. You know, I've made a lot of mistakes. I've especially when I started messengering. And I started writing my books, I was pretty much called right away to start writing my book that that awakening to me book was started, like within six months of my divorce, actually, like before the divorce was final it started. So that was immediate, like the messenger part of me woke up right after I left. So and then the spiritual aspect just like took off. I mean, I've had mentors that say, my early mentors, they were like, we don't even know who you are anymore. Like you just went like this. You just wow. Like, Pam, you know. And it's that I think it's that passion, that realization of the buck stops with me. Like, no one can save me, but me. So if I want to be here for my kids, I have got to make the choice to heal, and do it now. And that means I've got to humble myself. I've got to ask for help. I got to realize there's a thing or two I don't know, even though I've been a psychotherapy for 20 years, I mean, geez, I don't know something like something should work by now. But, but the thing is, it wasn't a waste. You know, all that time I spent navigating my thought tunnels is like it started clicking when I started combining it with the spirituality when I started combining it with energy healing and ancestral healing and early childhood healing and re parenting myself and all these modalities I've been practicing and learning for the last 10 years. It all clicked, it was like not time wasted. It was just time buffered, it was just buffered wisdom until I was ready to claim it. Right, like Brandon Handley 39:01 when you're watching a video and it's just like all waiting. And it's like spinning and spinning and spinning. And then it finally just plays and since it's like the show you've been waiting for. And I love the idea of it all just finally clicking right when that spirituality piece kind of drops in. I don't know how to. I don't know how to describe it. It's almost like you know, like watching a water wheel right and unless there's unless the water comes in like that wheels not moving right and then you know, spirituality there it is, right? It's just like starts moving and sets everything else into motion. You're like, holy shit. I guess there's something to this and it's, it's pretty intense. And that's what it sounds like, you know, sounds like sounds like that's what it's been like for you the growth and just kind of the idea of, you know, opening yourself up to it so that it just opens up to you type of thing. What um, you know, so I know that you'd mentioned on your When we're putting this stuff together, you know, what would you describe as the most direct path to spiritual enlightenment? Because I'm curious because you wrote it down? Kerri Hummingbird 40:11 Yeah. Well, that's why I say it's healing the mother wound. So we all have a mother wounds, because we're all born of a mother. And we're all on earth at this time on the planet. So unless you're just like born in a very unusual circumstance, you're experiencing some aspect of the mother wound. And at the very least, it's disconnection from the planet. It's a feeling of being separate alone. And you know, unguided, right? Like, like, somehow God's way out there somewhere. And maybe there is one or maybe there isn't. And you're here alone, just having to, like, survive, you know, so there's that, I have to do it myself. And all of that is all part of the mother wounds, and, and any ways that any kind of aspect of the feminine gifts that are that have been disempowered, all of those are the mother wounds. So if your intuition is not online, yet, if you're, you know, emotions, if you're not comfortable with your emotions, if, if you have a hard time slowing down and creating stillness and space, all of those are divine feminine gifts. And so it any one of that is also wounding and, and then there's ancestral patterns. So in a mother's body is her consciousness, right? It's her consciousness is happening inside her body. So when a baby starts to grow inside that consciousness, the baby is growing inside the mother's current state of consciousness, which means the baby is learning right away by this osmosis method, about life from the mother's reality. So therefore, if the mother's reality includes feeling disempowered, or not important, or not worthy, or not heard at all, how to speak up, I don't stand in my power, whatever version of that is happening inside that woman, the child is picking all of that up and inheriting that as his or her starting point in reality. So mothers often feel when I when they hear that, that's a deep truth that we all know. And that can provoke a feeling of guilt or shame about however, the conditions were that you were in when you had pregnant the first time, or a second time or third time, however many. And what I want to say to that is, you can let that go because you know, our children chose to come in incarnate through our vessels, at the exact moment that we were going through whatever it was, we were going through, to start them on their journey of discovery. So that they would have all that raw material to work with for their souls curriculum, so there isn't anything out of line. And with more consciousness, we can choose more consciously. And so there's always that beautiful gift of, if you haven't birthed yet, you can, you know, clear some of the ancestral patterns, you know, do some inner work, do some, some reconciliation within yourself in your ancestry to clean up some of that stuff that you don't want your kids to inherit, maybe there's some addiction patterns, or maybe there's some, you know, some conflict between the mothers or the daughters or the sons or whatever it is a father. So you can clear up that by doing your inner work, so that you're not passing that on as a starting point. So there's this invitation. And if your children are already fully grown, and having kids of their own, you can still do your work because as a mother, I know I remember moments of touching my belly when my baby was inside. And because I remember those moments, I can place myself there in the now and I can bring healing from my current awareness to my baby now. Even though it might have been 21 years ago, that he was in there, I can place that love inside me now. And trust that it's gonna find its way through his evolution to help him where he is now. And as I practice that, I've noticed him blossom. So my oldest son, I've noticed, you know, both of my sons, I do this, I put myself back in moments where I remember being with them in my body. And sometimes it's looking at a photograph. Sometimes it's just an embodied memory. And I send love and comfort back to that baby from my current awareness. We can all practice this. This is what the shamans have known for a long time we can be conscious and we can bring healing to seven generations back and seven forward using this method of, you know, fifth dimensional healing work on our children. Mothers are in a great spot to do that because we can remember when they were in inside of us, we can remember holding them. So we have this, this capacity, this direct and body connection with our babies so we can learn a good spot for do family healing work. Brandon Handley 45:12 That's very cool sounds. I think I remember hearing Gregg Braden, talk a little bit about a similar scenario, right? I mean, energy doesn't really know, time. Right? And energy is kind of at our discretion to direct you know, this, as we talked about before being vessels of creative energy as it flows through us. We can choose anger, we can choose something else, and we can choose like, which direction to send that and same thing with love and healing that you're talking about. So I think that that's, that's a great share, for sure. For sure. Well, is what I like to kind of hop on to right here is the whole idea that this is, look, when people tune in these podcasts, they tune your podcasts in the mind. It's kind of like spiritual speed dating, right? Like, you know, you know, I'm running through like, I'm just curious about like, who am I gonna hang out for a while, because I don't know about you. Like, I can listen to somebody like I'm a big like neville goddard fan or somebody. I've been listening to Swami svare pray Nanda for the past like year, but like, I'm ready for the next guy, right? I'm ready for the next gal guy, whatever. So spiritual speed dating. Let's ask a quick question or two, shall we? Um, to to do dear Bachelorette number one? Who is an artist, right? What is the line between art and not art? Kerri Hummingbird 46:37 What is the line between art of all I'm going to share this with you? With that I got from Don Miguel done. Jose Ruiz actually, I had this interview with him. And he said, you know, the Toltecs believe that, that your whole life is a piece of art. And I as an artist, I loved that. So I was a two dimensional Canvas artist, I painted acrylics and things like that. I loved creating art. And, and then I became a wordsmith artist, you know, I created books, I channeled texts. And, and it was like, when I ran across this Toltec teaching, I was like, my whole life is art. I like that my whole life is art. So Don Jose said in an interview, he said, you know, how do we not judge each other? He said, Well imagine that you're going into a gallery. And you walk up to this painting, and you bring your paint brushes, and your your paints, and you start painting and correcting someone's painting. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't sit there with your paid supplies and go into a gallery and start painting over someone's painting. So don't do it to somebody else's life. That's like, you know, so I think that it's that creative expression. You know, true art is however we express ourselves, however, we, we want to express the essence of ourselves, or our passion, or joy or feelings, or whatever's going on inside of us that we want to share with others, that that can express in so many ways, including our just our life, you know, our very being can be a piece of art. Brandon Handley 48:06 I got it. So you know, self expression would be art. Right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, pretty much I like it. Let's get one more in, shall we? Hmm. Haven't gone through this list of questions before. Ooh, what lifeless lesson did you learn the hard way? Kerri Hummingbird 48:31 Pretty much all almost every single lesson. You know, I, I used to beat myself up for making so many mistakes. Because I have I actually I have a sincere desire for perfection. It's in my jinkies chart, I have this fear of, you know, perfection in my city frequency of my purpose. So of course, I seek perfection. And, you know, I used to clamp myself down, you know, trying to not make mistakes, because I didn't ever want to make mistakes because I've got this fear of perfection, you know, the fear of making mistakes. And I started getting really mediocre when I was doing that. You know, my life was super mediocre. And I would say that is learning the hard way. You know, when you start clamping down your life force to not make mistakes. Eventually you're going to make really big mistakes which is clamping down your life or to not make mistakes. Now look, I Brandon Handley 49:30 get Kerri Hummingbird 49:31 that falls apart. Anyway, Brandon Handley 49:33 I get it. It makes sense. I mean, especially as we make these tremendous efforts to not make these mistakes is bound to just kind of ooze out on the side somewhere, but they got he missed. He missed the spots that that makes sense. What um, you know, who would you say with the work that you're doing? Who would you say is your ideal client? Kerri Hummingbird 49:57 My ideal client is someone who really is Ready to go into their shadows and take a look and see what's in there. And and really like bring the flashlight and learn how to do it with compassion and love and forgiveness and and really wants to melt you know is ready to be more gentle loving and kind with themselves with their spouse with their families ready to heal. And you know, I don't I have this whole thing I'm calling Earth mamas. I invite Earth mamas to come and work with me. And because I'm saying Earth mama, some people make the assumption that that means that I don't work with men or that I don't work with people who don't have children. And that's not the case. When I'm saying that I'm saying because we are on mama Earth, you know, we're on Mother Earth. And if you feel it in your heart, like I love this planet, I want to be a difference. I love my family. I want my future generations to be able to have like ripe juicy peaches and I want them to to be able to see dolphins you know, in in the waves and though and the oceans be clear, if that matters to you, then you're an earth mama and my book you know so I really people that care, you know people that care about this planet and people that want to make a difference and are ready to face their shadows. Brandon Handley 51:12 Look, I like dolphins and fruit so I feel like I'm gonna so no, that's That's great. You know, and I think that it's super clear when you're ready to start doing the work you'll you'll know when you're there. Sounds like there's the people that you're calling out to where can they come and find more Carrie hummingbird. Kerri Hummingbird 51:31 My website is Carrie hummingbird.com ke R ri hummingbird calm and you can find my books up there my events and workshops, retreats, all the good stuff, my soul nectar show which you're gonna come on beyond so that's awesome. can listen to Brandon over on Soul nectar show. And yeah, that you can also book appointments, I do healing sessions, I do individual healing sessions. And mostly I do group programs. I really love group programs. They're just so enlightening. When we all teach each other. It's amazing what we can learn. Brandon Handley 52:02 For sure, for sure we're you know, the human condition is that we're meant to share, right, we're meant to work together. Okay, thank you so much for being on today. Really appreciate you taking the time. Enjoy yourself. Kerri Hummingbird 52:14 Thank you. I Unknown Speaker 52:15 really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. 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Zane Landin, Founder and Chief Executive Officer of PositiveVibes Magazine sought to provide a space for people having a hard time dealing with mental health problems, experiencing being lonely, and feeling overwhelmed by the pandemic. Zane is currently an undergraduate at Cal Poly Pomona in California. Spring of 2020, he was taking a copy-editing class. Their final assignment was to design their own publication. Zane decided that a magazine dedicated to positivity would be best suited during the pandemic. Zane was inspired by the message and decided to embrace the idea. The magazine began with a small Instagram account in late May to now an international, digital magazine reaching thousands of people looking for hope during these times. The digital magazine has interviewed artists, psychics, mediums, yoga experts, models, chefs, etc. They believe in empowering and sharing powerful storytelling. They want to share the hidden gems in society. Connect with Zane over at https://positivevibesmag.com/ Brandon Handley 0:00 Hey, there's Spiritual Dope I am here today with Zane Landin. He is the founder and chief executive officer of positive vibes magazine, where he sought to provide a space for people having a hard time dealing with mental health problems experiencing being lonely and feeling overwhelmed by the pandemic. Zayn is currently an undergraduate at Cal Poly Pomona in California spring of 2020. He was taking a copy editing class, and their final assignment was to develop their own publication, Zane decided that a publication dedicated to positivity would be best suited during a pandemic. He was inspired by the message and decided to embrace the idea the mag magazine became a small Instagram began with a small Instagram account late May to now international digital magazine reaching 1000s of people looking to for hope during these times, the digital magazine has interviewed artists, psychics, mediums, yoga experts, models, chefs, etc. And you believe in empowering and sharing powerful storytelling. You want to share the hidden gems and societies Zane, thanks for stopping by today. How you doing? Zane Landin 1:09 Yeah, of course. Thank you so much. Um, yeah, it's great to be here. Brandon Handley 1:14 So we connected, I believe we connected just kind of doing a little bit of back and forth outreach through Instagram. And we had some good conversations and just decided to try and have you on the podcast. And I'm glad that, you know, we, jeez, I think it's been probably about eight months, I think since we first connected Yeah. So lots lots going on pandemic hopefully coming out of its of its, whatever it's doing. And here we go, we can get into it. So I usually like to start these off with the whole idea that we you myself are just kind of conduits for universal energy, right? We're just here to like Express, kind of whatever we were sent here for, had one guy who was on really enjoyed what he said to he's like, or he would say, it's earth, not our Earth, our home. It's our mission. Right? That was his expression. But you know, the idea is that whatever comes through you today is going to be for our listener on the other end, and today's age, and what is it that you feel like sources sending through you today? Zane Landin 2:25 I feel the sources sending to me today would be, um, be grateful for what you have. And I think that something that we preach a lot, but we don't practice ourselves. And that we're always wanting more, especially in society that's always about things and rewards. Sometimes it's always nice to see that the rewards are, yourself and what you're grounded in your family, things around you. Even just listening to what's outside. There's a book about, you know, how we don't really listen, and we don't really listen to the earth, or what it's saying to us. And when you go outside, you're always bombarded with all this noise, or traffic or everything. When you when you kind of stop, you can really hear everything, and you feel like at one, and you feel like that stillness. And so I think that really kind of goes into what I'm trying to say about like gratitude, and just being grateful for everything you have. And I understand that people are in really, really hard situations. But I think like finding that one thing that keeps you going and one thing that's positive, I think hopefully can really help you a lot. I hope all that makes sense. Brandon Handley 3:33 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's a, there's this constant drive, I think that society has put on to us to just go out there, get and then get go get more, more and more. Right. Alright, so you've gotten this thing. Congratulations, you're not done yet. Now you got to go collect the, you know, like, Pokemon, gotta get them all right. And if you don't get them all, then then you know, something's missing from your collection, your life's not complete. Whereas a little bit of what you're saying here is, is Hey, like, be grateful for the things that you've got take a moment, which is even just just yourself, you're saying, right, like, just be grateful for you. I always talk about the whole idea of we have one in 400 trillion chances of being born. And wow, what are the odds, man, that's, uh, you know, so be grateful that you have like this chance of even just showing up and participating in this world with us today. Zane Landin 4:35 No, yeah. No, I definitely agree. And we even like shared something today on like our, the magazine's Instagram about just celebrating the small victories that you have in your life. You know, like, especially when you see like success stories, you're always like, Oh, they went from zero to 100. You just see the 100. We really don't like to talk about this. Between the spectrum of zero to 100. Horse it's in books and stuff, but like, I wish you could It really talks about how much they really struggled, especially when you see successful people, I don't think love them just, well, I bet you there are some that have had things handed to them. But I think a lot of people have really had these powerful stories. And that kind of goes into the magazine, that's what we want to share. You know, if someone is down in the dumps, or they're really depressed, and they feel that they can't amount to anything, I'm hearing someone who may even have a worse situation than them. Now they're very successful. Seeing that I think, is really inspiring. And that's kind of like what we want. That's what we're all about. That's why we, that's what we interview so many different people, because so many people come from different walks of life, of course, and like they have such such different, you know, inputs and different perspectives, I think that's such a cool thing to see. And something we don't see, you know, we kind of see the same type of people in the mainstream media. And so we always trying to like, find those diverse stories, you know, if it's been a chef, or if it's been something extraordinary, or if it's just someone who is doing something in their local community, anything like that, it's definitely tough to see. And it's not really highlighted in the mainstream media. So that's something i i try to challenge. Brandon Handley 6:06 Hey, that's pretty, pretty great that that you're doing it. And I love that you're doing it at a younger age, where you're, you just kind of tell my wife a little bit about the story, just how you gravitated towards creating this magazine. And the thing it's been, it's been fairly successful for you. And the idea is that it's kind of like you've never done it before. You just went ahead and did it, you opened yourself up to it, and you opened yourself up to do it in a positive way, just the way that you're saying, right? Yeah. I would say that you're doing it with care with kindness and consideration and compassion and all those things, right, like you said, with opening it to a diverse spectrum of people to be on and share their stories, mining for those gems, as you're saying, and it's just working for you, right? Like the universe is kind of opened up for you and accepted to Yeah, hey, you know, you want to do this. And since since you've never tried it before, right? You don't know what you're not supposed to do. And you're just doing it in a way that's, that is expressive of yourself, right? That that's in alignment with who you are, instead of kind of going through this factory, of, here's how it's supposed to be, okay, you've met all the criteria, you've done all the right things, and congratulations, you're a success. But that's almost like a cookie cutter model. And you're doing it without that cookie cutter model. And that's what I think is really, for me exciting to see. Zane Landin 7:48 Yeah, I mean, I, I was actually never really the biggest fan of magazines, either, because the ones I saw are always like the celebrity ones, which I was ever super interested in. So I was like, how would I even do something like this? And so I was like, You know what, I'll just run it, like just an online thing. It's a website, the contents there. And I love just putting out features. And that's where it started. I didn't like I said, I don't know what I didn't know. And I think that was better, I think cuz like, No, I just started like a new position. And they told me that, you know, look at the content on the website, and come at it from an objective standpoint. So it's good that you're here, because you're like a member of the public. You know, I'm not biased. So I think actually helped. I didn't know too much about the industry. So it wasn't, I had to do things a certain way. So I think it's actually better sometimes when you, like you say you don't know anything. And you're just coming in as like, just someone who's ready to soak everything up. And that was like the whole point and kind of letting the universe guide you. And what's really cool about this podcast, you know, was how I just happened to stumble upon you. You know, it's so fascinating how like, I just was going through Instagrams going through rabbit holes. And then I, you know, I stumbled upon you, and then we just connected now that I think is great. And, again, what's so interesting about when you start something or when you open yourself up, those experiences are never ever going to happen then. Because if I didn't start it, I wasn't ever going to meet you. Or half the people I have met through the magazine, half all of them basically, because I probably haven't met any of them without it. And so I think what you're saying is like, when you said before about just being present, I think like being open being open to like any opportunity. You know, I think it's so exciting. Who you are now, and who you could be tomorrow was so different, but don't be I wouldn't be scared of it. I think it's, it can be very exciting. As long as you keep living your life in a good positive way. And you're a good person. I don't know, it's, I think it'll be fine. I mean, I'm not gonna downplay when really hard things happen to people. I mean, I understand that but I mean, you know, if you have the feasibility and you have an idea, just go for it. I don't know. I mean, I know that like the magazine didn't didn't take a lot of money. Like it wasn't a lot of money to do this. I know that some people's ideas are huge and have a lot of money. But I think just start off small you know, just you have the idea. Talk to someone who's done it or you Even just start it and see where it goes. And so it's weird how like, universe kind of, kind of like finagle its way in and like, you know, took me on a path I never thought I'd be on. So it's really exciting. And I'm sure you can even speak on that too, with the podcast. Brandon Handley 10:17 Well, yeah, no, for sure. It's just like, it's, I guess that that's where, where my point of view really comes from is, is, you know, stepping into your one piece and doing it in a way that I thought it was supposed to be done with my first podcast. And then I was like, did a little bit of a shift, I did a second podcast, and it was a little bit more in alignment with who I was. And then finally, I kind of was like, I got to this one is basically kick the doors open, I was like, This is it, man, this is this isn't aligned with who I am. And I'm not going to go search what everybody else is doing. And doing it in this kind of the same way. I'm not gonna leverage a bunch of like, scare tactics and like scarcity mindset stuff, you know, which is like, I know, it all works, you know, but it's just not that doesn't feel good, right? Doesn't feel good to kind of put out there knowing that a lot of the marketing that's being done as a psychological trick, really, right. And it's like, well, that's, you know, I feel like spider man in that sense, you know, with that kind of powerful force, you have to be used responsibly. And I've, you know, so let's talk a little bit about to like, you know, how, how have you gone about? You know, let's talk a little bit about positive vibes magazine, what, you know, what can somebody expect to find when they go there? And you mentioned a few of the different types of people like medium psychics to chefs on there, let's talk about what's criteria. And some of the people that have blown your mind that you'd that weren't anything like you would expect them to be? Zane Landin 11:55 Well, well, I feel like when you when you, you know, go into the website, and just, I would just say, you know, you know, definitely we are content with an open mind, because, again, they're very different perspectives. I think it's so close when you go on the website, I know that there's like a theme, like we talked about mental health, and that is the theme. That was like the inspiration behind it. But it's, it's definitely gone into so many different places that it's honestly the theme anymore. It's just about spreading positivity. And we try to always ask questions about mental health, but sometimes it just doesn't come up. You know, sometimes the natural conversation doesn't just go that way. And so I think what you're going to see is, you know, stories of positive transformations, inspiration, people who have really experienced some really hard stuff. I mean, I remember we interviewed a celebrity stylist, and, you know, she's just doing her thing with fashion. And then, and then bringing the story cuz I didn't write it when my writers wrote interviewed her, she was like, part of, you know, previously part of gangs. And so for her to come out of that, and transform yourself. And then one of the most meaningful conversations I have was with a medium, and interview, which is so powerful because of what she's experienced. And we really talked about mental health, because she actually talked about suicide a lot. And, you know, the stuff that she had to go through with her family and her son, there's a lot of different things. I just feel it from people, like when I do these interviews, I feel the energy from them. I feel, you know, I sometimes sometimes it's more than others, but I definitely can experience like, I feel their pain. And that's where I feel like I even I even learned the most, you know, like, I remember, I remember in school right now, we have to do a lot of reading, but I'm like, I wish I could just interview someone, like interview an expert for an hour, because that would be where I would learn the most. So I have learned so much from these people. Because, again, so many different walks of life, and they each hold such different like philosophies and things they say to themselves and mantras and how they navigate the world. Some of them have such self doubts before and still and then some people have the most amazing confidence. And it's just so different. And I love how they all just make it work. You know, it's their journey, their truth and I love just amplifying that Brandon Handley 14:16 for sure, I think one of the one of the coolest things is being able to amplify it right you've got the power of the internet right there at your fingertips and anything that you send out there's it has the has the true capability of being able to hit like I don't know what billions of people for right like, if you you could hit everybody with your voice with their magazine, you have the potential to hit billions of people where else can you do that? I mean, how else could you amplify anything like that? So I think that's pretty amazing. Zane Landin 14:51 Ya know what I love about you know, I wasn't there when it was my desk but what I do love about you know, nowadays is that media so democratised to the point where like, you can get content from anywhere, not like before, or like I feel like content and like, stuff that was available was stuff that was coming from LA Times, or these big newspapers or these big television shows. But now you see, like all these types of people having television shows, you have all these people doing streaming, I've always been doing podcasts. And so it's like, it's great that people can bring value to others. And people can like create and build their own communities. And in a good way, and they can foster those communities, and they just create something special. I just love that technology and social media and all these different things have changed that Brandon Handley 15:40 he has no longer, you know, the three stations as a way back in the day, and anybody's invited to participate, anybody's invited to create their audience, anybody's invited to share what's on their mind. And through all the different mediums, you got the podcasts, you've got video, in writing blogs, I mean, any way that you feel like you need to express yourself, it can be done. And that's I love that that's what you're doing to you're not only expressing yourself, you're bringing other people on to express themselves. And you built a true community platform. What, uh, you know, what some of the feedback during COVID that you've heard from creating this platform? Are you having the positive impact that you'd expected to have? Or you want to have? What's some of the stuff that people are saying back to you? Zane Landin 16:33 Here's the thing. I I don't know, I don't I don't see the impact myself. That's the thing. Like I don't, um, I'll have people say they, they read something, and they loved it. But it wasn't the amount I thought they were. But then I'll have some people I interview. And then we'll connect again, months later, they said, You have no idea how much this has impacted me. And the people who actually read my story. And they read more. So I don't actually know, which I think is great. Because when I do hear it, I'm like, Okay, wow, we're actually doing something right. And I remember I remember, I'm, I remember to hold on to those conversations. And because it is hard, it is kind of hard to just kind of go to, you know, a platform and just say this was so great. I think that's hard for some people. It's hard for me, like if I mean, you know, people I watch content I read. I don't really say I love it. Like I don't go on and comment that I know that sounds really weird. But I just kind of don't I just appreciate it for it is so you know, I don't get the comments. But no, when I do get some, it's always so great. Because like my whole thing is about if I can just really if I if I could impact well, it's not really me. But if the people in the magazine could inspire that one person and change their entire life, that's where I think is the most worth it. And I think the people who are most impacted, you probably never hear about them. I think that's great, because I don't, I don't need to hear about them. You know, as long as they're doing as long as they're taking away from the magazine, or the stuff he put on social media. That's all that's important to me. So I may never know. Brandon Handley 18:02 And I think that that's okay. It's it's really kind of like a double edged sword. I think we all like to get you definitely like to get validated, right? You'd like to hear that, you know, something's working out like alright, that's fantastic. And just like you said, I'm doing we're doing something, right. So it's good. It's great to hear some of those stories. But it's also really great to hear that you're not attached to that specific outcome to have to continue to move forward. Right for You. Sounds like the momentum and the driver is really kind of internal. And not necessarily external. Zane Landin 18:38 Yeah, no, yeah, I just I just, you know, they always say you're supposed to remind yourself of your why. And so I kind of constantly do sometimes I feel like it's, Oh, I'm so busy. I can't do this right now. Or am I okay, no, I need to buckle down and do this. Because the why was, you know, to help people who are experiencing loss and just rough times during the pandemic. I know, we're like in this weird phase of pandemic and not pandemic, even though we kind of still are, but it doesn't matter at this point. Because even though that was inspiration, there's always hard times going on and there's always inspiration happening. So magazine one stop after the pandemic, that will just be why that will be like our, our, like, historic moment of why we started it, and always kind of remember it. But it is really interesting how it started from the pandemic. And we're kind of going into this place where it's, it's not the pandemic as much as it was before. And it's, it's kind of interesting to actually go out and tell people what the magazine was like before it was like, just online, everything was online. The world was online. So now when I go around, I tell people, it's pretty interesting, you know, but people have to stay. So it is really exciting. The like kind of like transition phase we're in. Brandon Handley 19:54 Yeah, we're definitely in a in an awkward kind of space in the world. And it's It's pretty neat to hear that you're going to basically you're continuing it. And it's really a continuation of you initiated something. And this conflict is where you stuck your flag on the moon, basically, right? This is made was, Hey, guys, this is where we stuck our flag on the moon. And as where it started, this is the origin point. And as you continue forward, and you continue to have these positive impacts, you continue to have these great conversations coming on these articles that you continue to produce. You know, where do you see? Where do you see it going for you? Zane Landin 20:39 Um, um, I'm not, I'm not sure I always, I always say questions like this, and I wish I had a better answer. But I it's kind of like, you know, when we first started, and we kind of just let it go tickets path, I feel like I'm still doing that and seeing like, who reaches out who's going to come like, what's going to be the next experience, it's uncertain. But it's exciting. My only my only goal is I just want to keep growing. I want to share more stories, you know, in whatever way we can. We're always trying new things. We did a podcast follow up, they haven't done an episode for a while, but we're always cranking out the written content. And then I occasionally will do like Instagram lives, I'll interview someone, I think we've done like eight or 10 so far. So we try and provide different content. So it's not just written because I know that not everyone is a fan of reading. And so some people again, right, we're a fan of podcasts or Instagram Live, whatever it is, as long as we're always, you know, regurgitating the positivity in people's lives. That's all that matters. That's all something I know, you know, my dream, my dream really is to actually have like a positive news channel. And that's it. That's all I would want is, you know, I don't know, one hour, two hour segment on just sharing the positive news. I know, I know, local news stations do that. I just wish there was a place where it's just indicates that and it's even talking about positive international news, not even just like United States news. You know, we're talking about kids, different countries are all these things where people are really making huge impact, and actually having an interview with them or something like that, that would be so cool. That would be my dream fighter. Brandon Handley 22:15 Now that that'd be awesome. For sure. I think that's a great vision. And I think that as long as you kind of keep going in the same direction, and just keep keep it up, right? It's a matter, it's really just a matter of time, so long as you keep it going. What, what would you say is some of the stuff that like you've really big takeaways from so many interviews that you've had? Zane Landin 22:41 So hard. Um, I think that I think that, like, I think one things I've learned the most, I feel like, it's something I realized before but hearing all the stories all the time, it really kind of reinforces it is that, you know, just trivial, right? Because every single person has such a powerful story to tell everyone, you know, I mean, it's amazing what some people go through and experience, they just don't want to share it. And that's fine. You know, but it's like, sometimes when you talk to someone, and if it's just a random stranger, and then you hear this amazing story for an hour, it's like, that is amazing. And so that's what I hear is that, you know, we're, we're all equals, yeah, we may be treated way differently in society. But you know, back to kind of, I said, the beginning, you know, grounded in our community, like we are, we're all supposed to be here for each other, we're all part of the Earth, we're all we're all sharing the space, we just don't act like we are, um, you know, and so I think that, that's something I would take away is that, and you don't know what people have gone through. And so always trying to be empathetic as much as you can. And I'm saying apathetic, like, like, it's a skill me kind of is, you know, I think you can practice I think you can really tune into it, you know, to really feel what people were experiencing. And so that's like, the one main takeaway I would take from all these interviews is that everyone really has something to share. And I think that we should be encouraging that a lot more. Brandon Handley 24:11 It's the idea, I think, that you talked about the beginning was, people don't listen so much. Right? Not a lot of listening. And even trying to take that time to listen to the other story. Right, I mean, engaging in somebody else's life to hear their story. I mean, who's got time for that? Right? So and you're making some time for that, though. And I think that when you give the other people an opportunity to truly be heard, to share the truth of their story, and not always in this market T way, right, like, you know, well, what's your brand, saying, yo Tito, what your brand is and you know who's your ideal persona and all this other stuff and a lot of times while that's good to have clarity on all that like, but Who are you? Right? And why should we talk? Right? With, uh, you know, what, what, how much? Um, you know, I think you've gone through some rough times recently, right? Having access to this platform for yourself and having an outlet. I mean, how's that helped us up and beneficial? Zane Landin 25:21 Oh, yeah. I'm so happy to ask this. Um, so yeah, I'll, so in January, my mom passed away. And so it was a huge shock. None of us were expecting it. Which I think was better. Because I would have wanted to know if that makes any sense. And I wouldn't, and I don't think my mom would have wanted to know, I think it would have been too traumatic to know that she would be leaving us. That's her perspective. I don't think she did. But she would think I'm leaving my family. And I think some people have some guilt from that. And so it helps so much. Because even, I think even like, a couple of days after I was working on the magazine, I know, like, people were like, well, what, why am I working? It's helpful. And what really helped me throughout the time was just being super busy. But I really had the time to reflect on the stories. And then even just going back to like, who I've talked to, even when that medium I talked to, which happened like last year. And so when my mom died is probably like, six, seven months when I did the interview. And so like hearing them again, talk about mediumship. And I'm like, personally, I don't know if this is real, you know, I don't know, I haven't experienced it. But it's not my place to judge, or, you know, assume they're wrong or right. You know, I'm just here with an open mind. And when I hear it, you know, I think about it. And so, you know, when I hear about a bunch of different mediums out there, and who shares these experiences and what they feel, it definitely brings me comfort. Because it's pretty interesting was, I was kind of always interested in spirituality, um, my, like, a lot of people, my family around tarot, and meditation and all that stuff. I know, that's like the cliche spirituality stuff. But it's still really cool to be around. Even when I was young, I think I was like, 14, and I was around that, and I didn't want to dabble into it. It wasn't because I was like, fear the devil. I know that people say that. No, is really because I just didn't think it was for me. And I wanted to do it when it spoke more to me. And so that kind of happened. And so with the magazine kind of drifted me in this path of spirituality and really thinking about things differently. And then even my birthday was in January, as well on my sister gave me an Oracle deck. And I use it from time to time I'm not like, I'm not hugely into it, where I like study it, but I just flip the cards in reweighed size and eerily accurate. And even if I don't feel that way, there's something there. You know, I think that's important. The most important thing is that, even when if we get a Tarot reading or Oracle reading, and we feel that that's I don't understand this message. Maybe it's not the time for it, then. Or maybe you just need to look at something differently. And maybe you'll see the message. That's why finding that's why I find really great about work cool is even if the message is unclear, it makes you think differently. And think like, Oh, I got this message, I don't understand what it means. But maybe I should, maybe I should tap into this, like, whatever it is that wants me to. Um, so I think that's the one thing that's helped a lot was the magazine, I feel like yeah, without the magazine, I'd probably be really struggling a lot more than I have. Um, it's given me a lot of hope, you know, and sometimes I think of like, it should be like me hope vies magazine, or even peaceful vibes. Because like, sometimes people quit. I think some people have questioned me and said, like, how is the magazine about positivity? When you have a story about someone who's getting gang or something, you know, like, that's like, people say that. And I'm always like, Well, I think as you're looking at positivity is happiness. And they're very, very different. Happiness is just like that emotional feeling you get, and I think it's temporary. I think positivity is like a philosophy, like a way of life. And that no matter what happens, you know, that things will be okay. Or you know, that there's a different place for you or something's coming up and you don't know I think that's better than being happy because, again, happiness is just kind of a feeling. And so I think philosophy is what drives me in that no one no matter what I do, I'm gonna try my best to be positive and of course, it's harder on different days, you know, but like, that's the one thing like my mom didn't necessarily teach me like being positive like not like that, but she was always so positive. And you know, she always said if you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say it. Don't you know, don't like someone you know. And also, she always had such compliments to say about anyone like, she always kind of like, lit up a room, no matter what room she was in. Even if it was the darkest room, she was definitely the brightest light. And yeah, my mom just had really great charisma. And I try my best. So she can listen to me if that makes sense. And so, yeah, thanks for bringing that up. It's great to talk about because even though, you know, death is always around us. I think there's still like the stigma to talk about death. Because I can't imagine why it's incredibly difficult. And there's a lot of people that don't believe there's anything else out there. I definitely believe there is. But I'm always getting judgment and self doubt about it, you know, as normal, because we don't know what we don't know yet. So we never probably will know until we reach that conclusion, or new beginning, whatever it is, whatever death as some people, it is pretty interesting what it is to some people. But yeah, hopefully that answers your question. Brandon Handley 31:02 For sure, so sounds like sounds like having this as an outlet in the space and where you can refer to where you can have those conversations where you're surrounded by places positive people, not necessarily just positive people. But the these different ways forward, and I get what you're saying, in the idea of, you know, so you had some, you know, gangsters on and off. But it's like the idea of this is where they were, and this has been their path forward. And this is, you know, there's there's think of cheese, what is it? One of the one of the Toy Story minis combat Carl, or Jesse, Jesse always finds a way, if you resolve those, Jesse always finds a way. There's always a way forward, right. And sometimes the those ways forward, aren't, aren't glamorous. When you think about maybe the gangster and delivering the gang life, made for that person, that's it, who's looking at from the outside says, ah, that's terrible. Nobody should ever have to go through. But maybe that's what that person needed in order to give them the inspiration to go become the person that they end up becoming. And for you, you've been able to have people like that around you who've gone through some of these tough times through some of these challenging times. And I've shown you that kind of no matter where you're at, and where you've been there, there's, there's, there's a way you can go forward. And I love the idea that you know about your mom being, you know, the brightest light and you try to carry that forward. I think that's awesome, man. I really appreciate hearing that. Zane Landin 32:42 Yeah. And then also part of the the why of the magazine was my mom was always, obviously the biggest fan of it. And so, you know, I'm doing it, I constantly remind myself to do it for her as well, she would be super proud to see it. Or she is I tried to, you know, think of her not to say they, they would have they they do you know, I like thinking of it that way. So, yeah, I'm really excited. And you know, also to go back to your question about magazine. I don't know what's gonna happen in the future with the magazine. But you know, I did I do reflect, like, long time ago, and I said, if the magazine just continues one day, you know, knock on what if that does happen? I think that's fine. Because, you know, I created a brand, I created a space for people. It's, it's a memory, you know, and it's still something I believe in, I'm always going to be impacted by those stories. But that's, that's, that's the, that's definitely, like, only the worst outcome. I wouldn't ever want that to happen. But again, we never know what's gonna happen. But what's that quote? You know, don't be sad. It happened. The happy it happened. Wait, no, it'll be sad. It's over, be happy to have it. I like that. Because for sure, no. And that's hard. You know, for people, you know, it's easy to kind of be sad. Um, and it's, I think it's easy to be sad than it is to be happy. You got to like effort into being happy to be honest. And, but I like the idea that, you know, be so happy that it happened and just keep living as if it's still there, or keep living as if the person still there, you know, and always carry on their legacy or whatever it is, you can do that keep them alive. You know, metaphorically even though they are, in a way still live somewhere else. I know it sounds like contradicting myself saying that. But yeah, that's definitely that's what I would say. Brandon Handley 34:43 What, um, has, has there been like anybody that has tried to, I don't know, offer you payment? You know, have you guys gotten any sponsorship? What's that look like for you? Are you seeking any, Zane Landin 35:01 um, I've never thought about it. We've had like, some people reach out, but not about sponsorship like money, but they would send us some products and we would post about them. That's always so fun. Um, I know that some people have reached out, someone reached out about being featured and they wanted to, like pay us to be featured, which sounds, it's probably like the only time I would ever be paid for it. So far, and so I'm very, I'm trying to figure out ways to monetize it and make some money from it. And you know, be able to pay the people helping me. Because, you know, we have like students helping and, you know, they're like interns, and they get the experience, but I would love to, you know, pay them one day, and just create more things. You know, I'd love to have like a guidebook. Oh, that'd be so cool. Like, I feel like that's the thing now, like, so many people are create guidebooks, and like, a positivity guidebook would be so fun. And so that would be, that would definitely be something to consider in the future. But again, that's the kind of question like, I don't want the magazine to branch off into other things, where it's not just online content, but what if it's like a book that you can use, like a journal? I feel like I feel like I see some people doing though is like, Oh, I created my own course guide book. It's, I see so many people doing that. So like, I think it's so exciting. And it's like, they can do it. Maybe we can too. So there's so many things to consider and what's what's kind of trending and what people are liking and what's really helping people. So there's always so much to consider when it comes to stuff like this, which I'm sure you are aware of. Brandon Handley 36:33 I know for sure, for sure. I think that it's great that you're looking, you know, the monetization is I think, you know, obviously, it's great to get paid for I think it's kind of funny, right? That somebody wants to pay be paid to be featured, which is always interesting to write, pay to play. Well, let me let me ask it just so I get to this little spot in the podcast where I like to call it like a spiritual speed dating zines, and it says you have you kind of found your spirituality, you're finding your spirituality through what you're doing right now. And I think that's great. Again, I think this, I think this is cool that you're doing it at such a young age where you're really leaning into it, you're asking yourself some questions where I know, for me, it took me a long time before I even started asking myself some questions. It was just kind of straight and forward and a lot of bouncing around and some other funky stuff happened. But you know, in the end, you know, I kind of landed pretty smack dab in the middle of spirituality and started asking some of these questions that you're asking yourself at this at this younger age. But um, how about spiritual speed dating? Bachelor number one? Whoo, hoo. We talked a little bit about depression, why are so many people depressed? Zane Landin 37:49 Um, why are so many people depressed? There's so many, definitely so many different answers. I feel like the reason why people are more depressed now is not just a guess. I feel like but people, what gets people down is experiencing them. And so what I mean is, people have had to really had to sit with themselves. And really think about things. I feel like we didn't do that. I feel like, you know, we were always moving. Like we talked about this the beginning, like we're always moving and trying to get more, or things are just always changing. But I feel like with COVID people kind of just were stuck. I feel like that kind of got people depressed, because they had to really think about their life, and what they bring what they bring to the world, because, you know, imagine seeing so many people dying. So since I couldn't submit, I couldn't really relate to the dying thing. Just I mean that just because like I'm young, and I was like, I don't think I'm going to catch COVID and die from it. But I can imagine someone who's in who's in like, their middle, middle age can be like, Oh, my gosh, I'm actually like, high risk for COVID. And so I had to really think about what have I done with my life? And what can I do differently? And that is why you see so many platforms and podcasts and things being made during the pandemic, because people have just shifted, because I think that's one thing that's made people really depressed. I think that there's just so many pressures now I feel like, especially with technology in the media, I feel like that people are have such stretch to be an act of turn away. And everyone's lives are blasted online. And as much as I love social media and technology. It does have this have some bad effects. And so in there's, there's so many different things and I feel like it's such like, I've like it's such a big question. I think recently now, I think some of those are some of the reasons why people were depressed. Um, yeah, I really think so. Brandon Handley 39:49 That's fair. That's absolutely fair. So many people hadn't really sat with themselves and being locked down, caused you to really just kind of do this introspection? What have I done with my life? What am I going to do with my life? Is what I'm doing with my life, you know, kind of is this my life's purpose? Where should I be doing? You know, all kinds of those things? I think I think that you're right, not since Great answer. Will z where you know, where can people we've been talking about this, you know, magazine, we've been talking about you and all the things that you're doing, where can people go and find out more about you? Zane Landin 40:28 Yes. So, um, one word, positive vibes, mag calm. That's the website, as well as all of our social media channels. Except for LinkedIn, YouTube, or his positive vibes magazine. But the rest is positive eyes mag, you can find us on Instagram, the website, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, but we're very active on Instagram as our main platform. And we just try to post things every other day we try and bring value to the postings, you know, we'll do we'll explore different topics. I think one of them was detachment, which I thought was very interesting, because like some people don't, some people think detachment is toxic. You know, detach yourself from someone, oh, you're being toxic, you're running away. I don't like when people say that, because like, you're ran away from your problems. Well, maybe some people just need to detach from their problems. You know, even if it's not they're doing like, if they're in this situation, where it's like a new environment, could actually drastically shape them or shift. So they're actually in a better mindset. So they can make better decisions, they can live a better life. And so, you know, we try to talk about that we did a post about experiencing loss, you know, that it's gonna happen to everyone. As long as we can be there for one another and openly talk about loss, I think it will help people more, especially when it's such a shock for some people, including me, but like, if I knew more people that happened to actually, like I said, like, oh, everyone's gonna have to experience that. I just wish he would talk about it more. So I don't want a little tangent anyways. So those are the places you can definitely find us. Brandon Handley 42:01 Absolutely, St. Now, thanks for sharing, I think that I think that's huge, right? People when they're experiencing loss, they don't necessarily know some of the best ways to express it, go through it, who can they turn to and without, without some type of reference material, like you're talking about without being able to go to another place that has been sharing it and having having these conversations openly the way that you have? I think that it makes it a real challenge because especially as men in western civilization, we're supposed to know kind of stuff over emotions down and loss is one of those things that we're supposed to kind of stuff down, you know, people calling people go, and, you know, we beat on our chest and carry on. So, I don't think that that's always the way sometimes sometimes we're truly impacted and we should be allowed to be impacted, we should be allowed to feel those feelings and sit with them for a minute. And, you know, you know, especially if we think about the loss of your mother, my mother's still around when she goes it's going to be like a true sign of her own mortality that that's the moment that you reflect you're like alright, well, wow, life can be here one day and really gone the next and yeah, am I really living it? To the best of my experience? There's a Insight Timer. Sara Blondin has this amazing meditation called pain being the gateway to the divine. Right? Because I think so often, we shirk away from it, because it hurts because we think it's going to hurt. But there's so much energy inside of that pain that once it's released, there's a there's, um, there's a gateway that's open, right that you can, you can go for you go through that and, and leverage it. Zane Landin 43:59 That's no, that's really great. I never heard about that. But now I will say my favorite show growing up and still today is avatar. And like, one of the last episodes is one of the main characters has to deal with her mom's death, the whole show, you know, they're always talking about it. And so this one episode is about her like confronting the man who killed her mom. And like one of the characters tells her you know, don't choose revenge, lay your anger out and then let it go is exactly what you're talking about. Because it led to a blossoming understanding for her in a very different way. It wasn't as obvious as I forgive this person actually moved into another person. So it was pretty interesting if this is why I love the show. But you know, I just actually love that there's so there's so interesting. Brandon Handley 44:51 Zane, thanks for coming on today taking time and stopping over on spiritual dope podcast. Zane Landin 44:57 Yeah, of course. Thank you so much.

Connect with Kim to learn more about the beauty of using spirituality and your own personal gifts to transcend all the labels and the voices of what you "should" be, to instead be the pure divine being that YOU are. https://www.soulytransformation.com/about-me Brandon Handley 0:00 Ready, cool and 54321 a spiritual dope. I'm on here today with Kimberly Hoffman Davis Kimberly has her website soli transformation.com. And she and I got connected, I believe you and I got connected through a man whose faces David sandercock. Right. I was like, oh, man, I'm gonna blank for a second. But David, David had been on the podcast, I said, Dave, man, who do you think would make a great fit for this podcast, he said, Kim would be awesome for this podcast. Kim wants you to do me a huge favor and just give like a high level about where you're at what you're about. And then we can take it from there. Kimberly Hoffman 0:44 All right. So I am, I dove into this because I spent, you know, 20 years just suffering from PTSD from depression, anxiety, all that gross, nice, and stuff into the spirituality probably about five years ago. And then from there, I learned energy healing. And it took me on this beautiful journey. So now I'm in a CompTIA, records practitioner, and I activate people's primary gifts and their star seed energy. And I also do the energy healing through soul therapy, which is really great. Brandon Handley 1:20 Awesome, thanks for that. Appreciate that. So I always like to start these off with the whole idea that you and I basically just Source Energy vehicles, right? sources speaking through us to somebody else, and we're just here to deliver that message to that person, whenever that person needs that message. Right? So you're on this podcast, and you're speaking to one of the listeners, what's that message that's coming through you to them today? Kimberly Hoffman 1:49 That message is definitely that you are so much more than you think you are. You are an amazing and divine being. And it is just incredible. As I laugh about the person that I just walked behind you, and that was for me, I am sure that was for me to loosen up and get into the fun of this. But I mean, dang, you really are just so loved, so seen and so appreciated. Brandon Handley 2:18 I love that. Because a lot of people don't think that they are a lot of people don't think that they're having an impact. A lot of people don't think that they're seen. And chances are though, you you are you're you're being seen, you're having an impact. And I think that on top of that, it's your choice on what kind of impact you want to have. And I think that the first person that you get to have that impact on is yourself. Right? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And once you kind of have that impact on yourself and realize that there might be a little bit more to you than, you know, bag of bones, and blood and skin, then then you start you start a kind of a cool, transformational journey. Now, you said that, um, you know that you started this for yourself about five years ago working through some PST, PTSD? What was, you know, what did that look like for you? Like, what were What were you trying to deal with, that led you to the energy, healing? Kimberly Hoffman 3:19 Oh, man. So with the, with the PTSD, it was coming in, in like, all directions. So I didn't want to get off, up off the couch. I'm a moron. And it was really affecting me in my parenting with my kids, which is the big driving force that set me on that stage. It was like, you know, I'm afraid to go to the store, I'm afraid of what people think of me, I don't want to be seen. I just want to hide in this in the shell, like as small as I could possibly get. And then I saw the impact that that was having on my children. And that was it really opened my eyes to be like, Whoa, what is happening here. So I started digging for self help books. And then that led me into past life regression. And that's where my spirituality started was with past life regression. Brandon Handley 4:11 So my first first podcast for a was centered around fatherhood, right, and just kind of being a good dad and trying to be the best kind of data that could be and the influence that we have on our children, and how our children are almost like an immediate reflection as to who we are. So it sounds like you were seeing that reflection of who you were. And your children. And you were like, this can't i can't i can't keep doing this. Is that fair to say? Kimberly Hoffman 4:43 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That is more than fair to say. I saw that big time and my son. Yeah. And it was, it was so sad. Like just that crippling feeling as a parent going. Did I do this? Brandon Handley 4:58 Yeah, yeah. Any Look, I mean, especially, I think a mother more so than a father, it feels that on a different level. But to see to see that, to see some what you're doing show up in your children, you know, and Eagle, you're not liking it and you're like, Man, that that came for me. I was like, you're just kind of like shit, this has got to change. So you're you're doing you're doing, you're doing the research and you're digging into, you know, the personal development. What was the book? I mean, do you remember the book that was like, hey, past life regression? Let's Let's go. Kimberly Hoffman 5:37 There. The very first book that I read was many lives many masters by Dr. Brian Weiss. And once I read the first one, I was like, I ordered the next I think five and just bam, bam, bam, read them all. Brandon Handley 5:54 I mean, it can be that way, right? As you pick up one, you're like, Oh, my God, Where's the rest? And you wrote 20 books? Let me get them all. And then, so then you, you do this, you just past life regression. And what happens next? Well, you know, where where did that take you? Kimberly Hoffman 6:14 Oh my gosh, that took me on such a journey. So I was so interested read the books, like I said, and then I was like, Oh, my gosh, I want to get one. I want to get a past life regression done to see what comes out. And when I did that, like, it brought up three different past lives. And the one that just it, it seriously took a grasp on me and really got into my skin and underneath and I'm like, Oh, my God, oh, my god. I was I was a young, young woman, and I committed suicide by driving my car to a lake, I drowned myself. And it was because I couldn't handle life. I couldn't handle the world. I felt like it was all just too much. And I was like, Oh my gosh, why is it that I had a past life where I actually went through with it when at the time that I had had this regression done just a few years prior. I was in that space. I was like, I don't want to live anymore. I don't. It's just too hard. And I had that done. And I was like, Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, is this from this past life? Could it be? Am I carrying stuff over into this life? And it's a very good possibility. Going through even further. It became like, yes, part of that was carried into this life, it is a lesson that you absolutely need to learn and how to live a fulfilling life. Brandon Handley 7:39 Yeah, that's, that's, I mean, it's pretty deep, right? So you go in, you go through this regression, and you're immediately impacted, and you're able to make this connection. And I guess I'd have to ask to, before you even dove into past life regression before you even ventured into going and get it done, where you already be smitten by, like spirituality or anything like that, or what type of person were you prior to? Selling him? Kimberly Hoffman 8:11 I would say I was a very confused person prior to that. So I grew up Christian, and we went to church every so rare occasion. But I remember being in high school, being a teenager, and I told my mom, I'm like, Listen, I don't believe in God, this stuff is crap. like God would not put you through any sort of this turmoil that I am feeling right now. She slapped me, she absolutely slammed me was like, Okay, well, you know, whatever. And from that point on, I was like, you know, I know there's something out there. I know, there's something greater than what I am. But I just could not attribute it to being this man with a white beard in the sky. And he's like, you know, God, His little gavel of I'm judging you good and evil, and that sort of thing. And it really took me on to like, everything was everything's energy, like everything in our universe is energy. Where do people go when they die? to their souls live on and then it took me into, you know, I believe that everybody's still out there. Like, people don't really die. They're just, they're in the energy consciousness, and then continue on. Brandon Handley 9:31 So you if you'd already kind of stumbled onto that idea prior to the past life regression is what I'm here. Yeah. So you'd already kind of had this feeling so you went into it already with somewhat of an open mind and an idea of what was available. You just didn't know or have any specifics or kind of any guidance for that. Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah, it is absolutely fair. All right. You go when you get the Past regarding, you know, past life regression, you're like, did you did that have like a therapeutic impact, I guess it has had an impact on your PTSD or help walk me through through that part. Kimberly Hoffman 10:12 You know, I was really hoping that it was going to have that therapeutic impact on PTSD. And in reality, it kind of made it worse. Because I went down this rabbit hole of what's wrong with me? Why am I not good enough? Like, what I did this in a past life now I'm trying to do it in this life. And it did. But I did take into consideration that from another perspective, I did have a past life where I was a big old burly dude with an awesome beard. And I had a wife and I had a child and I was, you know, going off to start the revolution. And like the 1500s, we were going to go see the king and overtake the throne. And, you know, so there there is that where I was like, okay, just just pull in that strength, pull in that strength. And I just kept asking myself and asking my guides and asking whoever would listen out there in the universe, like, please give me the strength to be that person. Brandon Handley 11:18 Hello, surgeon reaching out to a higher power. Right? You know, you've got an idea of a core of who you'd like to be of who you been in the past. And a good core. And not every past. Kim has been, you know, in suffering deep suffering or kind of despair. And your you want to you want to be able to bring that past. Kim slash ham forward? Yes, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, there was some benefits, right? Sound sounds like the first part of it was this. This is, uh, this is not super beneficial. Why did I do this? Maybe a little bit, and then, you know, kind of beat yourself up a little bit. But I mean, you know, eventually it kind of turns occur a curve, where, where's like, Where's the where's the idea that says, holy shit, this is for me. And this is how I'm gonna live the rest of my life. Where's that happen? Kimberly Hoffman 12:21 Where does that happen? So that actually happened about a year and a half ago. And I was holding my youngest, my little one. And then I was just looking at her rocking her. And I just looked into her eyes. And she looked at me in a gaze that I had never, ever experienced in my life before. And it was like, Oh, my gosh, this child is so special. She's peering into my soul. And she is grateful. And it was in that moment that I just heard, like this message that was, I chose you. And that blew my mind. It completely blew my mind. And I was like, wow, I want to feel that deep connection with other people, too. Brandon Handley 13:15 Yeah, that's, to me, that's the part where, you know, children are a gift. Right? You know, while while we're changing diapers and not getting a sleep and all this other stuff, we're like, Who the hell said this? Right? Who the hell who knows, the person that came up with like, the children are a blessing, but you know, they're the ones that really help you to if you don't already have the capacity, or if you've never truly loved unconditionally, or felt unconditional love. And I think that that's kind of what you're talking about. You're seeing it, you're feeling it and you're experiencing it. And you're like, how can I How can I do this with like, everybody? What's that look like? So through through and how old was your youngest at the time? She's about a year, year and a half. Okay, yeah, fresh, right? Just Just so you, and then you know, so about a year and a half, you just decide HAVE YOU ARE YOU ALREADY certified? Did you already kind of had you already dove into some of your certifications. Walk me through some of that. Kimberly Hoffman 14:22 So I had started the process. I'm like a coaching certification. And that was where I wanted to be like, I grew up wanting to go into psychology and wanting to learn about that behavior, human behavior, psychology, all that stuff. It always fascinated me. But I went a different route, and got a graphic design degree, which is totally off topic. But I'd started like a coaching certification because it was like, Well, I don't want to be tied down by all this red tape. So maybe I can help people in this way through a coaching certification and that's In the love and authenticity practitioner certification that I got going through that I started feeling energy more and more, though, and I just I continued on to get an energy healing certification through GLF healing. And then from there, I even took it even further. And I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, my gifts are coming in what is this? I mean, that is the point where the craziness and the weirdness though, we can be like, oh, what if people think I'm weird, and I was definitely in that space. And I was like, but I'm gonna keep going. Because I'm so fascinated. And then I got my akashic records. Certification. Brandon Handley 15:41 Yeah, let's talk about that part. Right. I think that that's, that's a huge part. Would you call that? With the part of your gifts that started flooding in? Would you call that an awakening of sorts? What would you call that? You know, where you notice this transformation that was happening with you. Kimberly Hoffman 15:58 It was definitely an awakening, absolutely. huge transformation started to take place, going from being I don't want to be seen, I just want to be this small thing in my shell to somebody, please let me be free. And honestly, the person that I needed to let me be free was me, I needed to give myself permission to be free. And once I did, it skyrocketed. It just kept going level by level by level, the gift was coming in full force, because they went through an activation during the energy healing course to get that activated. But the more that I put into it, the more just trusted in myself and trusted in source. The more receptive I became, and the more awakened I became. Brandon Handley 16:49 And then, when you're sharing some of these ideas with people that are close to you, what's that look like? And you know, is that something again, is are you scared? Is there some is there some system fear in sharing that with some others? Or are you starting to develop this faith in who you are? And you're like, I don't care. Kimberly Hoffman 17:11 I was definitely scared at first because it was like, you know, this is really woo woo. And people think that you're crazy nuts. Or maybe you belong. And in the crazy house, with a straight jacket on, definitely had my fair share of that programming growing up, and even into wanting to share this, but I was so excited with what I learned and what I could give to people as well, like, gifted them, like the messages that I was gifted by others that I can now gift out to other people as well. I started getting so excited that I would tell my mom and she'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about. This sounds so weird. Like, what what is going on with you what happens used to be normal? No, weird is the side effect of awesome Come on, who wants to be normal and boring. And not too long ago, actually, my brother told me that his his wife is like, you know, your sister's getting really weird. And I just laughed. Because, you know, by a couple weeks ago, I was like, I don't care. You think I'm weird, but you're over there, you know, playing pity party, and I'm over here having the time of my life. I'm more than happy to be weird. And let it all out and help people. Brandon Handley 18:35 Sure. Sure. I mean, if you can be happy with what you're doing, and you're helping people to get to a place where they're able to have their gifts activated. The way that yours were. And yeah, without, right. Yeah. And and you know, it doesn't really matter. I mean, I guess to you know, if their idea of normal is, you know, what is their idea normal, and then be like, that's good for you. I'm gonna go ahead and keep rolling this way. Right. So, I mean, what does it look like? I guess for somebody to do a Kashuk record session with you? What's or, you know, activating my gifts. Can you activate like, do we have like 15 minutes? Can I get like one of 20 gifts activated? What's happening? How's this work? Kimberly Hoffman 19:27 So, we'll go with first on like the Akashic Records session, it's very loving, it is non judgmental quick, we're Brandon Handley 19:38 real quick. Before we get into it, though, what is like if you know the two people I talked to recently, like what is the Akashic right what are the Akashic Records like what is what, what is that? Tell it tell us a little bit about what the Akashic records are and then let's dig into it. Kimberly Hoffman 19:56 Okay, yes, absolutely. So, the Akashic Records Our it is everything, every thought, every emotion, every action, whether it's future past present. So even if you had a thought that you, you're like, oh, maybe I could do this and you're like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, that's wrong. It's recorded in the Akashic records. So, this is the infinite super computer, if you go in like the terms of the 3d world, it is like infinite to birth computer. And in terms of if you want to look at it in string theory, it is the connection that is to every dimension, every reality, every possibility, everything is recorded in Brandon Handley 20:44 no time or space or place. It's just is it everything all all? And is you know, oh, oh, so like, last what I had for dinner night. Like, you should be able to figure that out. I'm not gonna put you on the spot for that. But But uh, and I guess, I think one of the one of the most recently well known people that I'm aware of that they figured tapping into that I can think of two offhand. And that's a once a Tesla, Nikola Tesla. And I want to say like, Edgar is Edgar Casey. Yes. Okay. All right. Yeah, that's the both of that's it for me and Akashic Record knowledge on those two people. So let's talk a little. So, yeah, let's talk a bit about what it looks like to do a session with you on that, what's that look like? Kimberly Hoffman 21:40 Okay, so what it looks like, it's a place of it's a sacred space. So I create this bubble around us, and it's full of love. It is non judgmental, you will feel like you can just express anything, because I'm able to see it in the records anyway. But what it is, is you just come in, you're like, Okay, I'd like to know, maybe this and this, where am I going? What's my path? Sometimes people ask about their past lives, however it comes, is great. And I always like people to ask two or three questions, have them ready? What What is it that you want to know from the records, and then as we dive through it, more information is gonna come in, because there are answers out there that are always seeking you, for your highest good. So those will flow in as well. So an hour and a half of, hey, let's find out who you really are underneath it all. Who's your divine soul beam? And where do they where are they taking you? Where's your higher self teaching you? Brandon Handley 22:49 And then this person, you know, there? Are there multiple sessions? Is it kind of one and done follow up sessions? What's that? What's that look like? Or does it go from like an akashic records session to maybe some coaching from the outcomes, I mean, what's that whole process look like? Kimberly Hoffman 23:10 So it's all going to be individualized for the person. There are people that are like one and done, they got the information that they were looking for. And it was just enough that they were able to step on to the next piece of their life, because they'd already been on this journey for a while. And they knew where they were going. And then I have the people that are like, let's do multiple sessions. Because in this session, we are going to do with level one, and then we're going to do with level two, and then we're going to do with level three, with all of my sessions. There's already coaching built into it anyway. So that is a part of it. And then from there, if people are that interested in having all those tools, that they would like to have them at their disposal, and not have to go see somebody every time is also teach people how to read their own records, and how to ask those questions, how to access, how to get to the heart of it, to the heart of that information that they're seeking, and to be able to pull in the information that's seeking them. So they have all those tools at their fingertips already. Brandon Handley 24:16 That's pretty sweet. So you're saying you can Are you so I mean? Is it a skill or an ability then I guess to tap into the Akashic records. Kimberly Hoffman 24:28 It's a little of both. It's a little above. So we actually all have the ability to tap in. We are all divine beings. We are all connected to the records. This skill comes in, in how and what state are you in? Are you ready? Are you ready for that? So the skills are going to come with practice. Making sure that you're really trusting and believing in yourself getting rid of the limit. Meaning beliefs and the programming to get to that point where you have that ability to access, once you're able to access, your ability is going to take off, it's going to skyrocket. Brandon Handley 25:12 That's fantastic. And so that's something that you'll you work with people to, to get to a place that they can get to with you. Kimberly Hoffman 25:20 Absolutely, sir, who I want everybody to get there. Brandon Handley 25:24 I love it. The, you know, who would you say has been your primary clientele? Like, who? Who do you work with most? Who's coming to you? What are you seeing? Kimberly Hoffman 25:35 What I'm seeing is my primary clientele is a lot of women that are just tired. They have been through the crap relationships, they have been to the crap jobs, they've put themselves out there so much. It's like the people pleaser type that, you know, I've given so much away. Now it's time for me. And then, on the other side of that, I also have been seeing a lot of parents coming through parents that want to be better for their kids, parents that want to be able to access to help their kids to support their kids to be the best version of themselves. I mean, I know a lot of people are starting to feel the shifts, and waking up and they're like, wow, okay. And then they're starting to see that, you know, kids are actually gifted before it shut down. And then once we shut it down as parents, we got to open it back up. We got to create that space. Brandon Handley 26:35 Now for sure, for sure. That's something that we've certainly been cognizant of, in our children. And seeing a little bit of both ways, right? accidentally sending it down, right? Like, oh, shit, I didn't mean it. I didn't mean to kill that forever. I just really wanted to finish my dinner or whatever. Right? I mean, but but they're so sensitive to that. And, and, and the weight that we carry as parents is just so much the measurable, I'm sure you can probably remember a couple of times outside of getting slapped over over Jesus. You know, I'm sure you've got moments in your life where like, you just wanted to really shine and flourish and like your parents were like, they said something that, that just shut it all down, right? There, shut it all down, and you never did it again. Right? You're like, Alright, I'll screw it, I guess I guess I shouldn't have thought that way I should have done it. No, I'll just never do it again. And then, you know, that kind of cuts something off for you. So it's a great point that you bring up right? To be to be aware of how powerful you are as a parent, to know that you can, you can help to nurture that, which takes a significant amount of effort. And it's also really imperative to understand that you can shut it down for life and just an instant. That's it. And trying to get that back open is is a challenge. I mean, I think that can be realized that just trying to reopen yourself right into some of the things in the spaces that you believe in loving. And I know, it's been the same for me, I'm like, Well, why would I step into that? You know, so and so my family said that was a bad idea. And I believe them, those are the authority figures in my mind. Right? That say, Hey, you know, don't do that. I don't act that way. So give me a little bit of, of like, maybe your ideal client, like Who do you want to have reaching out to Who are you trying to reach? Kimberly Hoffman 28:39 I am actually trying to reach parents at this point. Because I am seeing so many, so many kids trying to deal with not just the external world, like we've had the pandemic and we have all of this stuff going on around us the fear that's coming out and the social media and the just, I mean, how many times you've you've been sitting at the dinner table and your kids like, bone, bone, and it's like, no, no phones at the dinner table, like, go outside, go play and they don't want to go outside. Because what happens if they catch a catch the catch the earth. And so I'm seeing so much fear and so many kids like having a really rough time over like the last school year, and everything and parents trying to help them manage this. But at the same time, they're having troubles managing themselves because of all of it as well. So I'm really trying to reach parents at this point, like, you know, let's get you back to your full self. Because I know you don't want to see your kid like this. And once you're back at your full self. We're then going to work on how you can be that support system and how you can help heal your kids. I want to teach parents how to heal energetically the selves and their kids, like here, take these tools, you're gonna heal yourself. And now you're going to be able to heal your kids. Brandon Handley 30:08 Nice. Nice. Well, awesome. So we're at a point now where I kind of get to the whole idea of this. This is like a spiritual speed dating show, right? So, basically, right now, somebody is tuning in, and they're looking for the next. They're looking for the next spiritual date, as it were, and like to just kind of hit it like that. Right? So the, I'm gonna ask you one or two questions, Bachelor of spiritual Bachelorette number one, I'm sure that I believe you're involved in children. So not saying that you're available. So what are we also afraid of? Kimberly Hoffman 30:48 Yeah, I honestly think we're also afraid of ego death. A lot of you want to say I'm afraid to die. I don't know what's out there. You know, the Christians are like, well, I could go to heaven, or maybe I haven't done enough and I'm gonna go to hell. But I honestly think people are so afraid of ego death. Because that's the part of us that kind of does that whole, like, Let's protect let's put you in that shell. And ego death means stepping outside the comfort zone, it means no longer fitting the mold of society. Brandon Handley 31:25 I get when you mean, outside the molds of society. Ego what, what does an ego death look like? What does that mean? So what would that experience be? Kimberly Hoffman 31:40 You would be, it would definitely be okay, I thought I was the shit at this. And now, I realize that I'm not as much of a shit at it as I thought I was and becoming accepting of who you are without those identities that you used to carry. So imagine it as Okay, I'm married to a veteran. He is more than said I can share his story as many times as I would like, his identity was in I am a soldier, I'm a soldier, I'm a soldier on soldier. Even a decade out, he's, I'm a soldier, I'm a soldier, that was his identity, and to lose that identity, that being part of the ego death is is scary. It is scary, scary. Scary. Because it's like, well, who am I? What do I do? Where do I go? I have no clue. And that was that's what I hear a lot with people and like, trying to release that ego, but the ego is what stands in your way of becoming your full and true potential. Brandon Handley 32:46 I got it. So I mean, really, I hate to use we're like crisis of identity or, you know, that kind of phrase. But, you know, crisis of identity where the the deal is, is you realize that you're not your identity. Meet this the crisis of the identity, right? Like, I am not my identity. Oh, shit. Then who am I? Right? Where's that? I like that? Okay, that's a good one. Yeah, I like it. Um, dude. That's number one. What is the greatest quality humans possess? Kimberly Hoffman 33:26 I love this question. But I also don't love this question. So I'll be honest with you. Humans, they possess an amazing quality for love. But they don't use it. So that quality inside if they can break into it is incredible. But a lot of us believe that, you know, misery and suffering are natural conditions or that, you know, man is inherently evil. That's so not true. Man is actually inherently loving and compassionate. And it's, it's a whole change of perspective on it for sure. Like going from we I've been told this my whole life. But no, I mean, man is definitely inherently divine, powerful, intelligent, being full of unconditional love and compassion. Brandon Handley 34:19 I mean, I have to agree, right? That's what you see, I think when you were looking at your youngest, and I think that that's what we see if we're paying attention, we stop and pause for a second at our children. And we're like, well, how did I become like such a jerk? When, like, he started off, like, this way, right? Or, you know, what happened along the way to everybody? And because I think that, you know, the greatest quality that we possess, you know, it certainly could be love and, you know, I was thinking maybe Divine Love, right? We have that inspiration inside of us. That's, that's a, it's always available. And I think that if you cultivate it to a certain point sense of fan into a flame it could really do do a lot of a lot of awesome things. 100% Oh, absolutely percent. So Well, I mean, is there anything I guess that we didn't hit on that you wanted to share out with us today, Kim? Kimberly Hoffman 35:18 No, honestly, I just want to tell everybody that I love you all. Y'all are so amazing. And I hope that you can see inside of you what you truly are. Brandon Handley 35:29 Yeah, thank you for that. I mean, it's it's a challenge, especially because we've been told so many of the different things and Kim's right. Yeah, inside of you. You've got you've got something that once you catch hold of it, and once you see it for yourself, that is really kind of No, it's no return from that, that return. Okay, thanks so much for being on. I appreciate what you're doing. I think it's really cool that you're able to offer the Akashic Record sessions. I think that's great. You're able to help other people to learn how to activate themselves. And looking forward to hearing more about you in the future. Thank you. Thank you, Brandon. truly appreciate you. Oh, you know what, we didn't do Kim. But we didn't tell her people can go find out more about you. Let's do that before we shut it down. So work on where can people find out more about you? Kimberly Hoffman 36:18 Alright, so you can either go to my website, which is w w w dot soli transformation, calm because I absolutely love puns. It's one of my little quirks. And I'm also on Facebook, solely transformation is my page. And then I'm also on Instagram, at soli, Kimberly. Awesome, Kim, Brandon Handley 36:38 thanks again for being on today. Appreciate it. Thank you, Brandon.