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That's Church.
by Emilie Call and Ashlie Sanders
✨We’re Emilie and Ashlie, two sisters attending different churches in Utah, building bridges across belief systems. Through podcasts, church visits, events, and honest conversations, we explore what faith, spirituality, and community look like for people from all paths. No pressure to convert, no need to persuade - just space to belong, be seen, and grow with curiosity and love.♥️
Episodes
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S3 E56: Monasteries & Minotaurs Tour: Exploring Sacred Greece with Casey McFarland
Monasteries & Minotaurs: Exploring Sacred Greece with Casey McFarland In this episode, Emilie and Ashlie sit down with Casey McFarland of Reliq Travel to give a deep dive into an upcoming, once-in-a-lifetime guided tour to Greece happening April 7–16, 2027. We’re keeping this group small and...
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S3 E55: LIVE Event, Becoming Sovereign: Claiming Your Story, Honoring Your Agency, and Building the Beloved Community
Recorded live at the Compass Gallery, this episode captures the "Becoming Sovereign" event hosted by That’s Church. We dive deep into the theological and practical aspects of sovereignty—defining it not as separation, but as "sacred self-authorship." What You’ll Hear in This Episode: Emilie Call…
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S3: E54: Naked Pastor - The Slow Melt: Deconstructing your Theological Hard Drive with David Hayward
Episode Overview How do you find spiritual independence after 30 years behind the pulpit? David Hayward (The NakedPastor) joins Emilie and Ashlie to discuss the "slow melt" of deconstruction, the power of art to bypass our defenses, and how to find community when you’ve left the "furnace of...
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S3 E53: Holy Borders: Navigating Gaza, Refugees, Gun Reform, and Radical Love with Gerlyn Henry
We are kicking off Season Three with a powerful conversation about faith in a volatile world. Reverend Gerlyn Henry joins Emilie and Ashlie to discuss the ethics of ministry during times of global conflict and political tension. From the "resistance of joy" to the necessity of lamenting for Gaza...
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S2 E52: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church Congregation
This special Season 2 finale was filmed last summer at Our Savior Lutheran Church and captures something deeply meaningful to us. What began as an invitation from Pastor Reba to talk about faith, interfaith work, and peacebuilding quickly became a full day of connection. After inviting us to…
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S2 E51: Exploring Faith, Community, and Belonging with Ariel Munyer
In this episode of That’s Church, we sit down with Ariel Munyer for a thoughtful conversation about faith, curiosity, and connection. Ariel shares her experiences attending different religious spaces, navigating faith alongside LGBTQ+ loved ones, and teaching with vulnerability and creativity.…
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S2 E50 - God and The Church are not the same with Kelly Robinson
In this deeply honest and powerful episode, we sit down with Kelly Robinson—a mom of five, entrepreneur, and resilient woman whose life story challenges simple narratives about faith, family, and identity. Kelly shares what it was like growing up in a strict, high-demand religion in the South as…
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S2 E49: Called to Serve, Period: A Conversation with Dr. Jessica Spence Moss on Interfaith, Faith Development, and the Power of Discomfort
Guest: Dr. Jessica Spence Moss — Executive Director of the Interfaith Youth Alliance, professor, and Latter-day Saint whose work helps youth use faith and values as a moral compass for service and compassion. In this episode: How interfaith work strengthens, not threatens, faith The difference...
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S2 E48: Sisterhood, Nuance, & Speaking up with Allyson Reynolds & Tiffany Sowby
Rising Violet Before we dive in, we want to highlight Rising Violet, the nonprofit Tiffany founded. Rising Violet provides one-time $1,000 gifts to women pursuing financial independence, with priority given to mothers who once relied on a partner and now need to be self-supporting. Applications…
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S2 E47: Mother in Heaven: Studies, Stories and The Sacred Feminine with McArthur Krishna, Trina Caudle & Ashli Carnicelli
Guests: Ashli Carnicelli – Writer, singer, and passionate believer in the Divine Feminine Trina Caudle – Editor, historian, scoutmaster, and macro-photographer McArthur Krishna – Author, artist, and advocate for spiritual wholeness Topics Covered: Ashli’s Catholic upbringing and connection to…
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S2 E46: Part 2 God Has No favorites: How Curiosity Can Heal Divides with Casey McFarland
In Part Two, we continue our conversation with Casey McFarland co-host of Pioneering Paradox. This time, we explore: Casey’s experience attending 50+ churches with his wife and kids What interfaith experiences taught him about faith and empathy The power of curiosity in healing spiritual and...
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S2 E45: Part 1 Talking to Teens About Church History with Casey McFarland
In this episode, we sit down with Casey McFarland, co-host along with Wil Wood of Pioneering Paradox and the voice behind one of Instagram’s most thoughtful spaces for conflicted Latter-day Saints. We discuss: How to talk to teens about Church history and faith struggles What it means to be…
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S2 E44: Is God Disappointed in Me? A Conversation with Kurt Francom
Guest: Kurt Francom • Founder and Executive Director of Leading Saints • Host of the Leading Saints Podcast – available anywhere you get your podcasts • Author of Is God Disappointed in Me? Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace – Get it here on Amazon (available in paperback and audio) Follow…
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S2 E43: Faith, Resilience, and Rock & Roll: Kristy Lawson on Growing Up Lutheran in Utah & Life Without Limits
In this episode of That’s Church!, we sit down with Kristy Lawson, who grew up Lutheran in Utah, an experience that made her part of a religious minority in a predominantly LDS culture. We talk about how that shaped her beliefs, the ways she connected with faith, and how she’s navigated life in a...
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S2 E42: Nuances, Connections and Raw Conversation with Pastor Jeff from Hello Saints
Happy New Year! In this very raw and real conversation, we sit down with Pastor Jeff McCullough, the creator of Hello Saints, a YouTube channel with over 66,000 subscribers where he explores the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with a refreshing and respectful approach. As an…
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S2 E41: Finding Purpose in Faith Transitions with Michelle Peper
In this episode, Emilie Call and Ashlie Sanders sit down with Michelle Peper, the voice behind @edge_of_inside, to discuss her journey from a sixth-generation Mormon upbringing to redefining her faith and spirituality after leaving the LDS Church. Michelle shares her experiences navigating a…
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S2 E40: Conflict to Peace with Jenan Mohajir (Muslim) VP of External Affairs with Interfaith America
Guest: Jenan Mohajir Topics Discussed: • A heartfelt discussion about the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its ripple effects globally, especially in the United States. • Reflections on navigating polarization in America and fostering unity through meaningful action. • The meaningful...
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S2 E39: Empowering Mixed Faith Marriages with Dr. Julie Hanks, Challenging Patriarchy and Finding Self Identity
Dr. Julie de Azevedo Hanks PhD LCSW is a licensed clinical social worker, psychotherapist, relationship expert, performing songwriter, and owner of Wasatch Family Therapy. She specializes in women’s emotional health, relationship struggles, and guiding individuals and couples through faith...
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S2 E38: Redrawing the Map: Cheryl Stout on Spiritual Growth, Personal Empowerment, and Embracing Philosophy
Summary: In this episode, we sit down with Cheryl Stout, a former member of the LDS Church who has embraced a journey of self-discovery and spiritual exploration. Cheryl shares her perspectives on: • Alan Watts’s metaphor of God as the ocean and us as the waves. • Exploring existentialism,...
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S1 E37: HERETIC Review & Spoilers: Insights from 3 Ex-Mormons & 2 LDS Members (2 past Missionaries) as they Dissect & Unpack this Philosophical Psychological thriller
⚠️ Spoiler Alert! In this episode of That’s Church! You will get unique perspectives from BELIEVERS and NONBELIEVERS! Ashlie Sanders and Emilie Call are joined by their brother Jake Coon, his wife Mandy Coon, and their friend Cheryl Stout to dive deep into the powerful and polarizing new movie...
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S2 E36: Onkar and Bryn's Mixed Faith Marriage. Hindu & LDS. Faith, Family, and Finding Common Ground
In this episode, we explore: • Onkar and Bryn’s backgrounds and how their faith traditions shaped their upbringing. • The story of how they met and how their love of chocolate chip cookies sparked their connection. • Navigating a mixed-faith marriage, with Onkar’s Hindu and Bryn’s LDS beliefs…
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S2 E35: Beyond the Broom Closet: A Pagan Christian Witch, Maddie's journey from LDS to nature centered spirituality
Happy Halloween! In this episode, we sit down with “Maddie,” a former member of the LDS Church and a practicing pagan who also identifies as a witch. Halloween, or Samhain, holds deep historical significance within pagan and witchcraft traditions. Maddie assures us that releasing this episode on...
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S2 E34: PART 2 Discovering God with Meagan Skidmore: A Deep Dive into Faith and Reconstruction
In the second half of the episode, Emilie shares her personal journey of discovering who God is to her and her conclusion about Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. The discussion also touches on how each of the hosts has navigated faith transitions and learned to embrace different perspectives…
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S2 E33: PART 1 Faith Reconstructed: A Journey with Meagan Skidmore, Emilie, and Ashlie
In this episode, Ashlie and her sister Emilie sit down with Meagan Skidmore from @meaganskidmorecoaching to have a deep and vulnerable conversation about their belief systems, deconstruction and reconstruction of faith, and what led them to start this interfaith podcast. Meagan shares how their...
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S2 E32: PART 2 Dr. Patrick Mason (LDS author & Professor)
Part 2 of Dr. Patrick Mason’s interview is now available to the public for FREE! 🎉 If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet, head back to Episode 19 and catch up first! Dr. Mason will also be speaking live at A That’s Church Experience on November 2nd from 5 PM - 8 PM at the Compass Gallery in…
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S2 E31: Part 2 Mary Magdalene with Mandy Green
PART 2 **Episode Summary:** In this powerful episode, Mandy Green joins us for an insightful conversation about Mary Magdalene, one of the most misunderstood yet pivotal figures in Christian history. Together, we explore how Mary’s life and legacy provide deep spiritual insights for today’s…
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S2 E30: Unveiling Mary Magdalene's Legacy with Mandy Green
**Episode Summary:** In this powerful episode, Mandy Green joins us for an insightful conversation about Mary Magdalene, one of the most misunderstood yet pivotal figures in Christian history. Together, we explore how Mary’s life and legacy provide deep spiritual insights for today’s world. Mandy...
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S2 E29: The Heart of a Woman - A Journey of Transformation with Melanie Meszaros and Celeste Jensen
Heart of a Woman Retreat is a life changing experience. Time to get away from life in the mountains & connect with God personally. **Episode Summary:** In this special episode of *That’s Church*, Emilie Call welcomes Melanie Meszaros and Celeste Jensen, the co-founders of the nondenominational...
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S2 E28: Deconstruction, Reconstruction, and the Power of Faith with Aubrey Chaves
**Episode Title:** Deconstruction, Reconstruction, and the Power of Faith with Aubrey Chaves **Episode Description:** We’re thrilled to have Aubrey Chaves, a host and executive board member of *Faith Matters*, join us on today’s episode of *That’s Church*. Aubrey has been a guiding light for many...
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S2 E27: Part 2 - Men and Women's "roles", Conforming to Ideals, ICWA & Mary Wagner's spiritual journey to inactivity in the LDS church
Subscribe to listen to all the locked episodes for just $2.99/month or $24.99/Year. Cancel anytime in your Settings. Show Notes: Mary Wagner | Part 2: Raised on a Reservation In this episode of That's Church Podcast, we continue our conversation with Mary Wagner, delving into her experiences...
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S2 E26: Part 1 - Growing up on the Navajo Reservation as a white girl with Mary Wagner
In this episode, we sit down with Mary Wagner to discuss her unique upbringing on the Navajo Reservation. Mary shares her experiences of growing up in a predominantly Navajo environment as a non-native, the absence of television, and how these factors shaped her beliefs and values. She provides...
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Episode 025: *LUTHERAN* Pastor Steve Bond - Reconciliation in Christ to accept and affirm LGBTQ & other Minority or Diverse Groups
Beliefs and Information about The Lutheran Church Pastor Steve Bond is an ordained pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (the ELCA). The ELCA is the largest Lutheran Body in the United States and is often labeled the more progressive of the three largest Lutheran denominations in…
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Episode 024: *LDS* Venice Jardine (Part 2)
S2 Episode 024: *LDS* Venice Jardine, Scholar/Anthropologist (Part 2) “I’ll Stay Where You Want Me To Stay”: How Latter-day Saints Navigate Conflicting Social Values While Remaining Committed to Their Faith. This was the Thesis Venice spent years of research and case work on and we will benefit...
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Episode 023: *LDS* Venice Jardine (Part 1)
S2 Episode 023: *LDS* Venice Jardine - Scholar & Anthropologist (Part 1) “I’ll Stay Where You Want Me To Stay”: How Latter-day Saints Navigate Conflicting Social Values While Remaining Committed to Their Faith. This was the Thesis Venice spent years of research and case work on and we will...
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Episode 022: *Atheist* Tara Herbert (Part 2)
S2 Episode 022, Part 2: Shame, Racism and mission experiences Topics Covered: 1. **Growing Up in the Church**: - Tara's adoption from Lake Charles and moving to South Jordan, Utah. - Her experiences being raised in a predominantly white family with both biological and adopted siblings. 2....
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Episode 021: *Atheist* Tara Herbert (Part 1 )
S2 Episode 021: *Atheist* Tara Herbert (Part 1 ) The Journey of Faith & Identity: PART 1 on Religious PTSD - Motherhood - Finding spirituality in Atheism & philosophy This Juneteenth we have a very special & intriguing episode. Introduction: - Tara Herbert's life story is a testament to the…
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Episode 020: *LDS* Patrick Mason (Part 2)
S2 Episode 020: (LDS) Baggage & Unity: PART 2 Patrick Mason on Baggage in the LDS church & Unity Among all churches Enjoy Part 2 of Patrick Mason where we cover key topics like women's roles in the church, racism, and wealth, all while embracing spiritual growth through appreciating the value of...
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Episode 019: *LDS* Patrick Mason (Part 1)
S2 Episode 019: *LDS* Bridging Faiths: PART 1 - Patrick Mason on Proclaiming Peace - Religious EXODUS - Strong LDS Women. Welcome to the Season Two premiere of "That’s Church"! In our first episode, we sit down with Patrick Mason, a renowned author and scholar whose expertise in religious…
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Episode 018: Community of Christ (Part 3) Jen Bailey, Brittany Mangelson and Jason Eyre
This is our last episode for Season 1. We have so much in store for you in Season 2. Listen to the end to hear just some of the amazing people we have lined up. There’s so many more exciting things happening and we can’t wait to share it all with you. The questions in this episode all came from...
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Episode 017: Community of Christ (Part 2) Pastor Brittany Mangelson, Jen Bailey & Jason Eyre
♥️Community of Christ conversations with Ashlie Sanders ( The Nuanced Mormon ) and Emilie Call as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Pushing back against patriarchy. Women in leadership roles Performing LGBTQ+ weddings Queer people & the priesthood Emma smith significance...
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Episode 016 (updated): Community of Christ (Part 1) - Pastor Brittany Mangelson, Jason Eyre and Jen Bailey
PART 1 - Join us on this 3 part series to learn more about the Community of Christ Church. Previously the R-LDS or Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We have a great discussion with Pastor Brittany Magelson - An amazing female pastor with a reputation among many that is so...
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Episode 015: Christian Orthodox (Part 2) Father Paul INTERVIEW
✨Learn along with us about the Orthodox views of Saints and who they are. ✨We talk to Father Paul about Pre-earth life and after death. ✨ Father Paul talks about mercy and forgiveness and important life lessons.
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Episode 014: Christian Orthodox (Part 1) INTERVIEW- Father Paul
Learn along with us about the Christian Orthodox Church. Come with us on the journey to explore this Antiochion Church as we discuss our visit to the church. Father Paul shares information on the DO’s and DONT’s of Orthodoxy, praying and fasting and church attendance. He shares a bit about the...
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Episode 013: BONUS - Islam Visit
Ashlie Sanders ( the Nuanced Mormon ) and Emilie Call talk about their visit to the Islamic Center of Utah and their experience with the religion and the people. They discuss their views on religions in general as they start to wrap things up for Season One and prepare for Season Two of That's...
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Episode 012: Muslim Women (Part 2) INTERVIEW - Maysa Kergaye
☪️ Converting to Islam - yes it's possible and it's quite simple. 🧕🏼How women feel about being separated from the men at during Islamic services. 🩷 The meaning of a Hijab and the choice to wear it. 🕊️Do's and Don't for Muslim Women and Men within Islam. Can they drink Alcohol? Eat Pork? Find...
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Episode 011: Muslim Women (Part 1) INTERVIEW - Maysa Kergaye
We are excited to publish this great interview from the very influential Muslim woman Maysa Kergaye✨ Maysa speaks 5 languages✨ She's lived around the world & has an interesting viewpoint after working as a volunteer in the Prison system. ✨ Maysa works to bring the Muslim and LDS communities...
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Episode 010: Islam (part 2) INTERVIEW - Imam Shuaib Din
✨Learn about what Muslims believe about Jesus Christ and Muhammad. 📖 A bit about the Qur'an (Koran) and the 6 Tenants of Faith within the Islamic Religion. ⛪️ Get a glimpse into many similarities of Islam and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 🕊️ Imam Shuaib Din's personal...
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Episode 009: Islam (part 1) INTERVIEW -Imam Shuaib Din
✨ Imam Shuaib Din talks about being a Muslim, his background and his role in the community. 🕊️He discusses and explains some of the misconceptions about Islam. ☪️ Learn along with us about the Five Pillars of Islam and the Pilgrimage to Mecca. 👏Join us next week to understand more about their...
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Episode 007: Judaism (part 1) INTERVIEW - Rabbi Sam Spector
Rabbi Sam Spector shares his experience growing up in a Jewish household. ✨ What motivated him to become a Rabbi. ✨ A funny story involving an LDS Apostle. ✨ The need for different opinions in religion. ✨ The Jewish conversion Process. And much, much more!
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Episode 008: Judaism (part 2) INTERVIEW - Rabbi Sam Spector
Sam Spector talks about his LGBTQ plus advocacy🏳️🌈 ✨ How amidst all the tragedy, UNITY and LOVE are needed more now than ever! ✨ How we can show support. ✨ Hanukkah and other important Jewish traditions🕎 ✨ What motivates him to do good. 🙏🏼
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✨We’re Emilie and Ashlie, two sisters attending different churches in Utah, building bridges across belief systems. Through podcasts, church visits, events, and honest conversations, we explore what faith, spirituality, and community look like for people from all paths. No pressure to convert, no need to persuade - just space to belong, be seen, and grow with curiosity and love.♥️
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