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The Chad & Cheese Podcast
by Evergreen Podcasts
Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
Episodes
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Shredded: Zenzap, Workday, Amazon, ADP, LinkedIn, Deel, HR Path, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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The Future of Work and Staffing in an AI Era
If the idea of an AI-powered robot wielding a razor near your vital organs gives you cold sweats, you’re not alone—and according to global workforce statistics, job seekers are feeling that exact same terror about their careers. In this chaotic, live episode from Amsterdam, co-hosts Joel Cheesman...
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Hungry Like The TechWolf : Juicebox is Thirsty : LinkedIn's 'Entrepreneurs R Us'
On the latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel Cheesman and Emi Beredugo dig into a busy week of talent-tech deals and LinkedIn news. Acquisitions, resignations and bad decisions are back, baby! SAP has acquired skills-intelligence company TechWolf, which will integrate with...
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Shredded: Juicebox, Fetcher, McKinsey, Rippling, Humanly, CareerArc, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Agentic Transformation with Kayleen Weaver & Patrick Kelly
Talent acquisition teams are currently being expected to pull off the ultimate corporate hat trick: hire at breakneck speed, manifest unicorn candidates out of thin air, slash budgets down to pennies, and somehow prove it with shiny metrics. In this session, ringmasters Chad Sowash and Joel...
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Metaview Raises, LinkedIn Hunts, & HCA Gambles on Palantir
Live from Amsterdam where redheads combust in the sun and nobody uses e-scooters—the Chad and Cheese crew are back with guest star Stephen McGrath to tackle HR’s messiest sagas: Metaview’s $60M Pivot: How a basic, commoditized note-taking app rebranded as an "agentic AI" messiah. LinkedIn's…
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Shredded: LinkUp, Robert Half, Lyft, Ahron, Personio, TechWolf, LinkedIn, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Zero Friction, Infinite Resumes, No Hope with Nathan Labenz
Joel and Chad welcome Nathan Labenz, host of The Cognitive Revolution and a self-described full-time student of AI. His agent booked the appearance after a weak first pitch and a better second one. They start with how he actually works: a separate Mac Mini for agents, a wiki about his life, no...
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LinkedIn Goes Full TikTok : Job Seeker Confidence Collapses
Joel and Maureen are back, slightly singed from RecFest, to argue about whether the industry is a warm community or a room full of under-resourced people begging an AI agent to reinvent the email alert. Also on the menu: LinkedIn cosplaying as TikTok, Meta finally peeling the cameras off the...
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Shredded: Ando, Indeed, Septeni, Media House Holdings, Gallup, HiringCafe, Spott, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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20 Recruiters Making 150,000 Hires with Shay Johnson
How do just 20 recruiters handle over 150,000 hires and 7 million annual applications? On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman chat with Shay Johnson, VP of Strategic HR Partnerships at Compass Group, to explore the future of high-volume hiring. Shay breaks…
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Guilty Pleas, Autopilots and Iced Lattes: RecFest USA Live
What do a big couch, a can of Stella, and four of the biggest personalities in recruitment have in common? They’re all live from RecFest this week, covering the hottest topics in the world of hiring. Chad, Joel, Mo’, and J.T. are on hand to talk about everything from an HR tech founder facing up…
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Shredded: DailyPay, Workday, Meta, Recruitics, ZoomInfo, Fuel50, Linkedin, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Candidate Fraud Stops Here with Etan Bernstein
Is the resume dying — or is it just lying and on life support while AI agents pump out 11,000 fake-looking apps a minute. On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Etan Bernstein of the Velocity Network Foundation, an HR lifer who wants to stop the whack-a-mole and...
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Meta Employee Meltdown : LinkedIn Goes Loco : 32-Hour Work Week Law?
This week on Chad and Cheese, Joel and JT unpack four stories that actually matter if you hire, manage, or look for work. Buckle-up buttercup! Meta just reversed two of its most controversial internal bets: pushing individual contributors back into middle-management seats after the layoffs, and...
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Shredded: Intermezzo, Meta, Oracle, LinkedIn, BoomerangHR, Glassdoor, Workday, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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How AI is Reshaping the Workplace with Paul Roetzer
SmarterX founder and CEO Paul Roetzer joins the boys for a chat about how AI is reshaping the workforce in ways most don't suspect. Paul sold his marketing agency in 2021 as AI was already writing at near-human level—then ChatGPT showed up and things went into hyperdrive. Bentley and Gallup’s…
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Jobs Utopia or Fiasco?
Joel, Chad , and Emi break down the intersection of AI recruitment technology, global labor markets, and industry regulation, alongside pop culture banter and sports highlights. Key Topics Covered:Pop Culture & Fantasy Football: Reactions to Steve Ballmer's retro Microsoft commercials and NBA…
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Shredded: Factorial, Empion, Werkhelden, JobBooster, Guardian Jobs, Jobbio, Amply, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones
On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad welcome Lauren B. Jones—founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners and author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI—fresh off the farm in Northern California where the roosters clock in at 4:30 a.m. With nearly 30 years in staffing and...
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HiBob Beast Mode & DOL Dismantles Worker Protections
The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast delivers a hard-hitting breakdown of massive developments across technology, enterprise software, and corporate compliance. The boys tackle Salesforce leading a massive $166 million investment round into HR tech provider HiBob, exploring how this…
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Shredded: Workday, Yardstik, Accenture, McCoy, Comware, Recruiter.com, HiBob, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Slop, Supply & the Search Process: Ben Zweig Breaks Down the Data
Slop, Supply & the Search Process On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Ben Zweig, CEO of Revelio Labs, economist, NYU Stern professor, and recovering quant who’s somehow raising three little girls while tracking the entire labor market. Ben walks them through...
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Recruit Holdings' "Alleged" Cartel
This week on The Chad and Cheese Podcast (dubbed HR’s most dangerous podcast), hosts Chad Sowash, JT O’Donnell, and Maureen "Mo" Wiley Clough break down the latest corporate absurdities, dystopian AI trends, and labor market nonsense. Episode Highlights: No Trust for AI: Humanoid Robots, digital…
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Shredded: Twin1, Runlayer, Rippling, Gatik, Microsoft, Flip, Deel, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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SignalLabs + BrassRing = Signals of Attention
On this installment of "HR's Most Dangerous Podcast," Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman grill Raj Ronanki, CEO of Signal Labs, on one of the weirdest M&A moves the HR tech space has seen in years. Guided by a childhood obsession with Star Trek, Raj has raised millions to build "systems of...
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Walmart Slumps, Workday Jumps & Indeed Marketing Chumps
Live from a Portuguese bar annex, Chad and Joel crack open a cold cider and fire up "HR's Most Dangerous Podcast" to roast the absolute state of modern recruiting. Before tackling the tech industry's worst ideas, the boys review hostage-style movie clips, swap obscure band recommendations, and...
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Shredded: Workday, Aerotek, PAC Group, Monster, LinkedIn, Microsoft, Indeed & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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When AI Needs Humans with Sonja Breuer
In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman sit down with Sonja Breuer, Senior Vice President of HR at Hamra Enterprises a powerhouse franchise group operating over 200 locations across Wendy’s, Panera Bread, and Noodles & Company.💡 What You’ll Learn in This...
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ZipRecruiter Financial Gymnastics
Get ready for a jam-packed episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast as hosts Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, and Emi B serve up their trademark mix of industry news, corporate earnings, and unfiltered banter. The episode kicks off with personal updates and shout-outs, covering everything from Chad’s...
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Shredded: ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, Upwork, Dice, Spark Hire, Careerminds, & Jobrapido
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Ageism, Algo-Bias, and Corp Naughtiness w/ Cassell Kaye
Ageism is out in the open, AI is masking mass corporate cost-cutting, and 1 in 3 job postings might be completely fake. In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, 20-year HR executive Cassell Kaye from The Reframed Collective pulls back the curtain on a brutal modern job market. Drawing on her...
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Indeed Pauses, Fiverr Falls & Rippling Ransacks
The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast with Emi and Lieven is officially live, and it is a certified must-watch. In this episode, the crew dives straight into a massive legal showdown brewing in the tech world, breaking down the explosive trade secret drama between Rippling and Runlayer....
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Shredded: Foundational, LinkedIn, Buildforce, Deel, Clarity, Runlayer, Rippling, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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90 Days Hired, They Stay a Year w/ Jolene Hostal
In this episode, HR veteran Jolene Hostal joins Joel and Chad to discuss how a legacy brand like Stanley Steemer stays "young and vibrant" in a competitive labor market. Managing high-volume hiring for thousands of technicians across 57 corporate locations, Jolene breaks down how modern tech...
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LinkedIn Sloppin, Google's No Click AI Poppin', and OpenAI's Jail Breakin'
Is LinkedIn turning into a bot-ridden wasteland? Is Google actively blowing up its own revenue model? And are AI agents already plotting their escape from human containment? The crew is back together, hot out of the chamber, to slice through corporate PR and tackle the messiest stories in tech…
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Shredded: Kforce, Indeed, OpenAI, ZipRecruiter, Skello, Fiverr, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann
On this week's The Chad & Cheese Podcast interview episode, Joel and Chad sit down with Kristy McCann founder, former CEO of Skill Cycle, and overall HR force of nature who proves the ultimate golden rule: Do NOT mess with HR. Ever wondered what a founder’s absolute worst nightmare looks like?...
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Indeed Terms, LinkedIn Ghosts, & Google Pitchforks
The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast kicks off with hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash diving into a massive recap of the World Cup tournament, complete with a look at the spectacular multi-artist halftime show, light political jabs, a hilarious Taco Bell fast-food mishap, and a...
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Shredded: Signal Labs, BrassRing, Recur Software, PCRecruiter, Refer, Deel, Talentware, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
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AI Takes The Boring Part w/ Adam Godson
The TL;DR: What happens when HR tech's most prominent conversational AI platform gets swallowed by an enterprise titan? In this high-octane episode, Chad and Cheese sit down with Adam Godson—the newly crowned GM of Talent Acquisition Products at Workday—to dissect the aftermath of the Paradox...
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Indeed Cautionary Tales
The boys are diving headfirst into the algorithmic trenches as LinkedIn battles a massive influx of AI-generated content that is actively derailing user feeds. This automation wave is sparking a larger debate on the future of recruitment, especially as Indeed looks to double down on automated...
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Shredded: Mercor, Deeptune, Sherpa, Employ, ID.me, Warp, Pebl, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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Hire Fast or Lose w/ Josh Secrest
Chad and Cheese drag Josh Secrest, Paradox’s Head of Marketing, into the hot seat. Josh’s resume boasts stints at both Abercrombie & Fitch and McDonald's. Once the guys stop badgering Josh about the Golden Arches, they get into why your current frontline application process is a flaming dumpster...
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Korn Ferry Swallows AMS, Handshake Grabs Uplimit
Hide your kids and grab your bourbon, because The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back! Joel is finally home from his pretentious European tour—blaming jet lag for being completely rusty—and Emi is here to keep him from totally derailing. Together, they are tackling a corporate landscape that looks like…
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Shredded: Korn Ferry, AMS, Microsoft, Uplimit, Handshake, Meta, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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Hiring Became Our Edge with Kristen Reilly
"We went from 34% fully staffed to 96% fully staffed" Imagine needing to hire 3,000 part-time coaches in a chaotic 6-to-8-week summer sprint. For Elevo Learning, missing that target meant operational nightmares and broken client promises. In this episode, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman sit down…
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Ageism in Tech: Dan Lyons on ‘Disrupted,’ Silicon Valley & Toxic Culture
Maureen sits down with Dan Lyons — bestselling author of Disrupted, former Newsweek and Forbes journalist, and writer for HBO’s hit series Silicon Valley. At 52 years old, Dan made the jump from traditional media into a hyped tech startup… and quickly discovered he was suddenly “ancient” in an...
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Your Best Hire Already Left w/ Gustavo Serbia
Next on Chad & Cheese: Hired to Chair in 3 Days ✂️🔥 Chad and Joel are punching the recruiting industry right where it hurts with Gustavo Serbia, CHRO at Hair Cuttery Family of Brands. They dive into the wild, hyper-competitive world of managing 6,000 stylists where the barriers to entry are zero...
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The Snapchat & Anthropic Hype Machines
On this week's episode: The Football Flops: Portugal woke up, while England was lulled to sleep and Emi is losing her mind over corporate "hydration breaks". The Hype Block: The hosts rip into Snapchat’s new $2,300 glasses (a chunky, $3 billion boat anchor that makes a good-looking CEO completely...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional...
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