The CrossCounsel Podcast

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The CrossCounsel Podcast

Welcome to the CrossCounsel Podcast! Since 1997, we've been finding a better way to experience healing, growth, and maturity in Christ. Join our co-founder, Rev. Steve Freitag, and special guests as they explore how the Spirit of Jesus transforms us into people who are strong, steady, sturdy, secure, and appropriately compassionate.Diving into our MELT Process isn't easy, but it's well worth it. Those who are willing to engage with both their present and historical pain—and confront their "demons"—can discover unimaginable freedom and peace.Much of this may feel surprisingly simple, yet deeply transformative—strangely normal. Together, let's do all we can in the work God calls us to do.

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    195 | Transformation Toward Your God-Given Mission

    Steve concludes his conversation with Dwight Clough where they discuss how true transformation begins not with information, but with intentionally meeting with God in the places we most want to avoid. They emphasize that God has a meaningful mission for each person and desires to walk closely with us, bringing both joy and purpose. Rather than running from pain, growth comes when we willingly step into it, trusting that Christ is already present there. They explore how suffering, when engaged with God, becomes a pathway to deeper healing and confidence that we cannot manufacture on our own. The conversation also challenges rigid certainty, highlighting the importance of humility, being open to being wrong, and engaging others with curiosity instead of defensiveness. As trust and understanding grow through listening, relationships deepen. Ultimately, they point toward a renewed expression of Christianity marked by transformation, love, and a shared pursuit of God’s purpose in everyday life.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    194 | Loving What God Loves - with Dwight Clough

    In this episode, we continue our conversation with Dwight Clough around two foundational questions: Who are we, and why are we here? Dwight points to the Great Commission as central to our purpose—not as a narrow call to make statements, but to make disciples.He draws a clear distinction between making declarations and actually loving people well, as Jesus did. True disciple-making begins within, as God brings peace, healing, and alignment to our own hearts, which then flows outward into relationships and communities.Reflecting on the parable of the talents, Dwight challenges us to consider what God has entrusted to us—and how we are using it in this season.Ultimately, this episode invites us to think bigger, live transformationally, and love what God loves—remembering that none of us have arrived.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    193 | Why Real Transformation is Harder Than We Think - with Dwight Clough

    In this conversation, Steve Freitag sits down with Dwight Clough, author and longtime friend of CrossCounsel. Dwight and his wife Kim first connected with the ministry nearly 25 years ago, shortly after the events of 9/11, when they encountered the teaching of Dr. Ed Smith and the foundations of what would later become known as the MELT process and Transformational Prayer Ministry.Dwight is the author of numerous books exploring faith, transformation, and the inner life. He co-authored Amazing Faith (Moody Press) and has written several other influential works including What I Believe About You, End the Divide, The Gift of Transformation—a CrossCounsel favorite—and a new book he will discuss in this conversation.Many people first approach prayer ministry because they are struggling with something—fear, anxiety, shame, destructive patterns, or difficulty forgiving someone. But as Dwight explains, what begins as a search for healing often becomes something deeper: an invitation into ongoing transformation and communion with Jesus.In the conversation Dwight shares a personal story about discovering the roots of anger that surfaced whenever his wife became sick. What began as frustration uncovered a deeper childhood memory connected to fear and insecurity when his own mother was ill. The shift that followed was not simply a new insight—but an encounter with truth that changed his heart.Together they explore:• Why many Christians think inner healing is about fixing a problem rather than living in transformation• The difference between intellectual insight and heart-level freedom• Why experiencing the love of God can actually feel difficult or even frightening• How fear, shame, and cultural expectations keep many believers from being honest about what is happening inside them• Why real change comes when Jesus meets us in the places we feel most brokenUltimately, this conversation points toward a deeper reality of the Christian life: transformation does not come from trying harder or understanding more information—it comes from encountering the truth and love of Christ in the deepest places of the heart.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    192 | Truth and Transformation: A Conclusion That Continues

    This title reflects an important reality: while this episode concludes our focused MELT series, the work of truth and transformation in our lives never truly concludes.In this conversation, Steve and Mary finish their discussion on the T in MELT — Truth and Transformation, bringing this series to a close for the time being. They reflect on why identifying memories, emotions, and lies is only part of the journey, and why lasting change comes when the Spirit of Jesus brings truth to the places where lies once lived.Steve then offers a final word, connecting this work to Scripture. Drawing from 1 Thessalonians 4:3 and Romans 12:2, he explains how sanctification and the renewing of the mind describe the same transforming work of God — a process that produces real peace, forgiveness, and the fruit of the Spirit in our lives.The series concludes, but the work of truth and transformation continues.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    191 | More Truth That Transforms, Not Just Informs

    Last week we reached the final letter of MELT — the T.This episode is Part 2 of 3 focused specifically on Truth and Transformation.If you haven’t yet listened to Episodes 184–190, we encourage you to start there. Those conversations lay the practical foundation for understanding what MELT is and how it works. There are biblical insights woven throughout, but this isn’t abstract theology — it’s grounded, lived, and deeply practical.In this episode, we continue exploring what makes CrossCounsel distinct. We’re not aiming for behavior management, symptom relief, or just gaining insight. We’re after something deeper — truth moving from the head to the heart, where long-held beliefs have quietly shaped how we see ourselves, others, and even God.This is where real transformation begins.Part 2 of 3 on the T is now available.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    190 | Truth That Transforms, Not Just Informs

    Steve and Mary begin their discussion on the final letter of MELT — Truth and Transformation.In this episode, they clarify the difference between information and transformation, and why managing behavior or repairing patterns is not the same as removing the lie underneath them.What sets CrossCounsel apart is its emphasis on T & T — allowing the Spirit of Jesus to persuade the heart into His truth where false, core beliefs once felt true.Because truth that informs is helpful.But truth that transforms changes everything.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    189 | Lies: An Ongoing Conversation About What Drives Us

    This episode flows directly from Episode 188 and is meant to be heard in that context, where the foundational CrossCounsel teaching on lies—heart-level beliefs that drive emotional pain—was clearly defined. Building on that foundation, Mary and I explore how these beliefs form through life experiences and continue to shape emotion, behavior, and relationships long after the events themselves.At the heart of this conversation is a simple but essential conviction: the experiential heart-level beliefs we carry cannot be reasoned away or managed through effort—they can only be truly expelled when they are met and replaced by the Lord’s experiential truth. We hope this episode brings clarity, hope, and encouragement as you listen.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    188 | Lies: Getting to the Core Lies That Drive Our Pain

    In this episode, Steve and Mary return to the basics of CrossCounsel and the MELT process. Steve begins the podcast by clarifying what we mean by core lies, how they form through life experiences, and why these heart-level beliefs—rather than memories or circumstances themselves—are what drive emotional pain. If you’ve missed our recent episodes on memory and emotion, this introduction will be especially helpful.Mary then joins Steve as they share miraculous examples of lives transformed when core lies are uncovered and replaced with God’s truth, offering a grounded picture of how lasting change reaches the heart, not just the head.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    187 | "Undone by Jesus" with Lindsay Bonnar

    We take a brief detour from our series on defining the MELT Process to sit down with Lindsay Bonnar. Lindsay shares with ease how the MELT Process has impacted not only her own life, but the lives of her family as well.Steve also offers a few reflections on how addressing lie-based thinking doesn’t simply resolve wounds from the past, but can also serve as a form of prevention—interrupting patterns that often lead to poor choices and the consequences that follow.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    186 | Emotion: The Doorway, Not the Destination

    This episode begins with Steve laying some groundwork around emotion—why it matters, what it reveals, and how it fits within the MELT process, illustrated through an everyday moment at Costco. Later in the episode, Mary joins Steve to expand on these ideas and reflect together on how emotional awareness can open the door to deeper transformation.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    185 | Don’t Let Your Unconscious Direct Your Life: More on Memory

    We wanted to come back to the topic of memory—not because we missed something last time, but because memory matters more than most people realize. It’s not just about what happened; it’s about what continues to shape us, often outside of our awareness.In this conversation, Steve and Mary build on the previous episode and add real-life examples from ministry and experience. We talk about how unresolved memories quietly influence reactions, relationships, and spiritual posture. When those places remain unexamined, they don’t stay neutral—they lead.Even someone like Carl Jung, who was not writing from a Christian framework, observed something worth paying attention to: what remains unconscious will direct your life, and you’ll call it fate. Scripture affirms that same reality in its own way—what is hidden in the heart shapes the course of a life until it’s brought into the light.This episode isn’t about digging for the sake of digging. It’s about formation—how God meets us in memory, exposes what’s been quietly directing us, and brings freedom that doesn’t require effort or management.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    184 | MELT, Memory and Meaning

    Steve and Mary reflect on the importance of submitting to the Spirit’s work in your own life so you can more faithfully love and help others. The oxygen mask illustration still applies.Today’s episode focuses primarily on Memory—the M in MELT. We emphasize memory because biblical transformation doesn’t happen by correcting ideas, but by returning to the moments where core beliefs were formed. In MELT terms, memory grounds us in the moment, emotion keeps us connected to it, Lies reveal what the heart concluded there, and Truth brings transformation when God meets us in that place.As Steve shares—and Mary affirms—our understanding has deepened over the years. We consistently see greater transformation when facilitators help people stay with the specific details of their places of pain.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    183 | Grief ~ Gratitude ~ Migraine Miracle

    This episode offers another glimpse into the heart of our training community. You’ll hear from Susan Hulet, founder of Mercy House, as she shares a deeply significant moment with Jesus while MELTing through the tragic loss of her father more than 50 years ago. She also recalls her first MELT session—an experience that may encourage many who are just beginning their own journey.You’ll also hear from Terris Tamashiro Harris—author, publisher, Mercy House partner, and long-time CrossCounsel supporter—who reflects on how she has walked out her transformational journey with us. She describes how, more than 15 years ago, she received truth from Jesus that brought an end to her migraines and continues to shape her life.Throughout the conversation, Chuck Schroeter guides the discussion with thoughtful questions and helpful insights, highlighting how deep transformation can bring healing across many areas of our lives.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    182 | Continue to be Transformed

    Steve and Mary conclude their discussion on the history of CrossCounsel. If you haven’t listened to Episode 181, we encourage you to start there—it sets the stage for everything they cover here. They highlight how easily we make excuses when life doesn’t go our way and how quickly that can distort our understanding of God’s character. They share how, even as CrossCounsel has remained anchored to its core principles, modern advances in neuroscience and psychology have continued to validate the importance of addressing core memories and trauma.They reiterate that this work is ultimately about our maturity in Christ—cooperating with His Kingdom purposes and living out the Great Commission. The MELT Process remains a powerful tool to help believers move toward deeper transformation, greater freedom, and a more fully formed walk with Jesus.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    181 | Our Ongoing Origin Story

    Mary Carlton returns to the podcast as we revisit Our Ongoing Origin Story—the foundations of what makes CrossCounsel different. We share how our separate journeys led us into this ministry approach and how it transformed everything for us—and for those we serve. Together, we explore the authority of Scripture, the true meaning of transformation, and how The MELT Process helps uncover the protective layers that keep us from freedom. This conversation dives into wisdom, healing, and the gentle but powerful work of God in restoring our hearts.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    180 | Have You Heard of Plato, Aristotle… Sōma?

    You’ve heard of Plato and Aristotle—two philosophers who shaped how we think about truth, reality, and the soul. But Scripture offers something richer: sōma—the whole person, body and spirit, mind and heart, all woven together in transformation.In this episode, we take a short but meaningful detour into Steve's college days—yes, including that dreaded philosophy class—and connect the dots between ancient thought, modern faith, and what it really means to be continually transformed. From the highchair to the table, from theory to truth lived out—this is where information becomes formation.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    179 | In Which Chair Are You Sitting?

    While visiting Seacoast Grace Church in Cypress, California, Steve sat in on a message from Lead Pastor Cody Surratt that caught him off guard—in the best way.What began as a simple object lesson with a kitchen table, a high chair, a bench, and a few family seats became a vivid picture of spiritual growth. Cody’s illustration echoed the very heartbeat of CrossCounsel: that following Jesus isn’t about managing behavior or staying inspired—it’s about maturing, being transformed, and learning to take responsibility for our faith.In this episode, Steve shares key parts of Cody’s message and reflects on how it aligns with the MELT process and the journey from emotional infancy to spiritual maturity. It’s an invitation to pause and ask: In which chair are you sitting?CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    178 | Conclusion: From Striving & Suicidal to Hopeful & Helping

    A late-night call, one of Hannah's brothers in crisis, and a heart heavy with guilt—Hannah’s story could have stayed there. But later, God used the quiet image of a monarch chrysalis as a crucial part of seeing both transformation and dying—something He was also working within her. Through the MELT Process, Hannah came to see how long she’d been trying to carry and control what was never hers to hold.That journey brought her back to an early memory of her own baptism—once marked by loss and disappointment—and transformed it into joy and freedom. Now, watching baptisms fills her with gratitude instead of grief. This episode captures that movement from heaviness to lightness, from guilt to grace, and from trying to save others to trusting the One who truly can.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    177 | From Striving & Suicidal to Hopeful & Helping

    In this moving conversation, Hannah shares how her life shifted from striving—not only as a high-level student-athlete, but in nearly every area of her life. When she first walked through the doors at CrossCounsel, she was battling suicidal thoughts. Since then, her journey has been nothing short of remarkable—moving from despair to living hopeful and helping others find freedom. Her story is honest, raw, and full of grace—a reminder that God meets us in our brokenness and begins rewriting the story from there.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    176 | Truth Independent of Reactions w/ Shane Buol > Why Offense Doesn’t Define Reality

    In a world where disagreement is often labeled as hatred and offense is treated as evidence of harm, Steve Freitag and Shane Buol explore how the MELT Process offers a radically different path. When emotions flare in response to truth—whether from Scripture, a friend, or a news headline—those reactions reveal more about our hearts than about reality itself. Through transformation, God refines not only what we believe in our heads but what we know in our hearts. The goal isn’t to silence emotion—it’s to let it guide us toward the root of our pain and into alignment with truth that stands independent of reactions.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    175 | Unscripted Testimonies: Behind the Scenes of a Monday Night

    In this episode, you’ll hear firsthand stories of how the Lord has been at work—taken directly from a weekly Zoom gathering. You’ll also hear Mary’s heart and her unwavering commitment to ensuring that when people receive truth, it is genuine and authentic.We believe you’ll be encouraged and stirred to press in more deeply to what God wants to do in your own life.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    174 | O Death, Where Is Thy Sting?

    In this episode of the CrossCounsel Podcast, we sit down with Byron Guerra, youth pastor at Thirst Church (https://www.thirstchurch.org) in Oconomowoc, WI, and his longtime friend, mentor, and CrossCounsel facilitator, Chuck Schroeter.Byron didn’t begin in ministry — his early years were spent as a land surveyor and doing tree work. The conversation kicks off with a funny, forgotten story from Chuck, and a powerful moment where he shares how Byron’s grandfather led him to Christ.A few months ago, Chuck encouraged Byron to step into The MELT Process, which became a turning point in facing deep pain — including the tragic loss his family endured in 2008. As the conversation unfolds, you’ll hear how God cleared the clutter and began reshaping Byron’s heart.One quote from Byron says it all: “God is writing a new narrative for my heart.”Chuck wraps the episode with a strong challenge about what real freedom looks like, and Byron shares how he’s helping his family, church, and youth group pursue a deeper life with Jesus.A conversation full of honest moments, deep insights, and real hope.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    173 | Hillary's Anger Breakthrough

    In this episode, we dive into what AJ & Hillary have been learning, especially an eye-opening anger exercise that led to real freedom. We don’t just tell people to “let go of anger.” Instead, we explore why we hold onto it in the first place. Many believe anger protects them or gives them control, but true transformation happens when we replace false beliefs with God’s truth.Anger may drive action, but love sustains and transforms. Even Jesus, when confronting injustice, was motivated by love—not personal offense. As we unpack AJ & Hillary’s homework, we’ll explore how releasing anger isn’t about excusing harm but about breaking free from its grip. Join us as we challenge common misconceptions and embrace the power of love over anger!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    172 | What Am I Hiding Behind?

    Episode 172 begs the question, are we truly being transformed, or just wearing the costume of faith? In this episode, we explore the danger of spiritual performance—appearing strong while hiding deep brokenness. AJ and Hillary share their journey through The MELT Process, revealing how unresolved pain once fueled their need for approval but is now an invitation into real freedom. We also discuss the deeper healing work after Madison’s tragedy and invite you to partner with us through the 100 Club, sustaining this mission of true transformation. Let’s step into something real—together!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    171 | Can We See MELT in the Scriptures?

    On this podcast, Steve and Hillary finish up their long discussion exploring biblical stories that indirectly reflect the principles of the MELT Process. We’ll look at the bleeding woman in Mark 5, who was told she was unclean and how that label shaped her identity until she encountered Jesus. We’ll consider the story often called The Prodigal Son, though it could be better named The Compassionate Father, highlighting the deep transformation that comes through being truly seen and embraced. Saul’s radical encounter on the road to Damascus challenges us to examine our own moments of revelation and change. Finally, we’ll reflect on Psalm 139, where David prays, "Search me, O God," a cry for deep healing and transformation. Through these stories, we’ll see how personal reflection, emotional honesty, and God's truth intersect—often in ways we don’t expect.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    170 | Knowing Jesus Has You in Mind

    Hi everyone, and welcome! In this podcast, we’re joined by Justine Roberts.This recording follows a recent session she had with Steve, where they ran out of time before fully resolving a particular memory. In the days that followed, Justine took time to sit with the unresolved part, creating space to explore the barriers that still needed to be confronted. In that moment, Jesus met her with a beautiful word and picture—one that continues to work its way through her heart and mind.This is so important because we don’t want people to become dependent on us to facilitate every encounter with Jesus. Instead, we want to equip them to face the dark places where only the Lord can bring His transformational, experiential truth.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    169 | Two Special Women with Jesus

    Hi Everyone! On this episode, Steve and Hillary explore how Jesus broke societal norms in His transformative encounters with two women: the Samaritan woman at the well and the woman caught in adultery.They discuss how Jesus, by engaging with the Samaritan woman, defies cultural barriers, offering her living water and revealing profound truths about identity and faith. Steve and Hillary emphasize that His experiential truth, wrapped in love, creates a space for genuine transformation when we’re ready to receive it.Shifting to the woman caught in adultery, they highlight how Jesus challenges the accusers and extends grace, showing that love and forgiveness are powerful catalysts for change.Join them for a deep dive into these stories, reflecting on how Jesus’ radical approach to love and acceptance continues to invite us into a transformative relationship with Him. Don’t miss this enlightening conversation that reminds us of the life-changing power of grace!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    168 | Scripture and F-35s

    Hi Everyone,This episode kicks off with some light banter between Steve and Hillary, including his morning at Truax Field in Madison, home of the F-35. It's a cutting-edge, stealthy multirole fighter with advanced avionics and supersonic speed, capable of air-to-air, air-to-ground, and intelligence missions—a game-changer for modern air forces. But that’s not why you tuned in...We dive into how the MELT Process aligns with Scripture, even if not explicitly stated. We also tackle big questions like, “Why did God let this happen?” and offer encouragement to grow in your relationship with God, shifting how those questions are understood as we experience His goodness in a broken world.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    167 | Our Soul's Soundtracks

    Hello Everyone!Music has touched all of our lives in ways we may not even realize. In this episode, Steve is joined by guests Jenni Freitag, Shane Buol, and Jason Hoffman—three talented musicians with a deep commitment to the truth and beauty of the MELT Process. Together, they explore how music can be a powerful tool for transformation, discovering in real time how the Lord can use it to deepen our healing and lead us closer to Jesus.Join the conversation and find new insights into how music can shape not only their lives but all of ours on the journey to greater transformation.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    166 | WITH Jesus Everyday

    Hi Everybody. This episode features the return of Mary Carlton for a special appearance. The topic was inspired by Mary's words soon after the school shooting in Madison. As simplistic as it may sound, we truly believe that the inner turmoil that we feel from both historical wounding and present day pain can be authentically and genuinely address by posturing our hearts to receive experiential Truth from Jesus. Everyone listening has undoubtedly heard Jesus' promise to never leave us or forsake us. He told us that He would be with us "to the end of the age" (Matthew 28:20). It’s one thing to hold that truth in our minds, but it’s another to deeply believe it in our hearts. We hope this discussion encourages you to take whatever steps necessary to experience the reality of Him being WITH us.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    165 | School Shooting / Declaration of Hope

    We’re coming to you today with heavy hearts in light of the recent tragedies in Madison, Wisconsin, and the heartbreaking school shooting that occurred on Monday, December 16. These events have shaken our community and reminded us, once again, of the brokenness in the world.As we head into 2025, we’re creating and building the 100 Club—a community of partners giving $100 monthly to support CrossCounsel’s mission. Whether you’re a new supporter or already give monthly, consider joining this effort or increasing your support to at least $100 per month.It will be stewarded well and will make a lasting difference. Sign up for monthly giving today at https://www.crosscounsel.com/"How to Heal" page: https://www.crosscounsel.com/how-to-healDonate and Becoming a Financial Partner: https://www.crosscounsel.com/donateCrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    164 | Love Bonds and Fear Bonds

    Our discussion on this episode gets into an unexpected and very brief overview of Love Bonds and Fear Bonds from the book  Living from the Heart Jesus Gave You.In summary, love  bonds are secure connections built on mutual care, trust, and the ability to return to joy together, fostering healthy relationships. In contrast, fear bonds are formed out of control, obligation, or avoidance of pain, often leading to dysfunction and disconnection. For more detailed information, we direct you back to the book Living from the Heart that Jesus gave you. We hope this episode highlights a key point: our work is not traditional counseling or advice-giving, nor is it what most imagine when they think of prayer. It requires intentionality and, at times, difficult choices from those who engage with it. At CrossCounsel, we remain grounded in Christ and led by the Holy Spirit, drawing carefully from approaches aligned with the heart of our heavenly Father—so that we may grow into the fullness of the stature of Christ.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    163 | Don't Let a Diagnosis Identify You

    Hello Everyone,In this episode, we dive into a powerful conversation. Hillary shares her inspiring journey through the MELT Process, highlighting how she's overcome symptoms of ADHD and the profound impact it has had on her life. She discusses how AJ's observations have helped her recognize the shifts in her thinking and behavior through the power of the Holy Spirit's work. Steve also weighs in on the importance of staying with the process that only works due to God's design of our hearts and minds. He discusses how revisiting links between past memories and uncovering the origin of lie-based thinking can open the door to genuine transformation. MELT helps get us to the places where we invite Jesus to save us from our twisted thinking, rather than relying on our own understanding and knowledge.Please know that CrossCounsel does not diagnose conditions or offer any recommendations regarding medications.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    162 | Loving God Wholeheartedly

    Hello Everyone!We were originally going to call this episode, "Ope! Throw another shrimp on the barbie!" That was to be a tongue-in-cheek tip of the cap to us Midwesterners and to Australians who may be listening. However, this conversation with Chuck (our Wisconsin rep) and Kylie (originally from the land Down Under), goes deep into their journey of loving God wholeheartedly through the grace and goodness of our Heavenly Father. Enjoy, be encouraged and pass this on those those who may be blessed by it!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    161 | Half Measures

    Hello Everyone,We jump right into a discussion on how we hope that after some time with us, they can start MELTing without us. We discuss recognizing that many things we do to find peace are often only half measures, bringing temporary relief. Ugh, we're not unlike the Israelites of old, those our idols may be more sophisticated than theirs. Still, they fall short. We wrap up talking about how we gravitate toward others, often public figures, to try to make some sense of the voids we feel in our hearts. CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    160 | Avoid Disillusionment

    Hello Everyone,On this episode, we discuss how important it is to face what needs to be faced in our lives. We talk about how the subconscious tries to trick us into believing that we're doing better than we really are.We talk about how walking to the edge of the cliff staring down and is not enough to find truth and freedom.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    159 | Weeding Out More Lies

    Hello Everyone,On this episode, Shane Buol returns! The "No Need for Weed"  (Ep. 155), podcast he first appeared on resonated with many people.We talked about his deeper reflections from that first podcast. We talked about this as an ongoing process as he grows and matures in Jesus.We discussed how others in the CrossCounsel community are connecting with one another to sling more freedom in God's Kingdom - and much more!   CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    158 | Boy MELTs, Meets Girl (Part 2)

    This podcast moves forward into the second half of “Boy MELTs, Meets Girl.” Part 2 picks up with Steve talking about how he dealt with certain issues as a dad with their kids. We talked about AJs adjustment from home school to life as an 8th grader.We talked more about Hillary being married to a guy who has a grip on healthy emotions.You’ll hear about the adventure of AJ bringing Hillary home for the first time and how it almost killed him and how he doesn’t want to be held to things he said while under the influence of prescription medication. Hillary shares why she broke down and cried after her first Thanksgiving with AJs family. Enjoy!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    157 | Boy MELTs, Meets Girl (Part One)

    Hi Everyone!On this podcast you are introduced to AJ & Hillary Freitag. AJ's parents were introduced to principles much like we use in our MELT Process. What the Lord is doing in AJ is just what Hillary hoped and prayed for in a husband. Now they are walking their lives out with Jesus being central to everything in their lives. It's a fun listen!Also, if you are in the Madison area, please consider joining us for our Chili Cook Off Fundraiser. You can scroll down and get more info on our EVENTS page. CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    156 | Peek Into Our Staff Meeting: Malaysia Report

    Hi Friends! As we return to our regularly scheduled podcast, we give you a glimpse into our staff meeting where we heard from our staff who traveled to Malaysia. So download this download of great info. We also have a sad update regarding how we've had to pivot with a key staff position. You can also check out our fall class offering for our Level One class that has been helpful for so many. If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    155 | No Need for Weed

    Hello friend!  On this episode, Steve sits down with Shane Buol. Shane gave an excellent testimony at our annual Golf Event. You'll hear his testimony from June. Then he and Steve get into a great conversation about the freedom and maturity that Shane has experienced. If you, or anyone you know, struggles with addiction, this is a must listen and one to pass along! If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details. Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    154 | Inside Out 2: Group Discussion

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, Jon and Steve chat with Jenni, Brynn and Lucy about the family movie "Inside Out 2" and the lessons it teaches about feelings.If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    153 | Thoughts About Feelings

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, Jon and Steve chat with Jenni, Brynn and Lucy about the 2015 family movie "Inside Out" and the lessons it teaches about feelings.A few of the topics covered:0:30 - Meet the panel;7:15 - Movies speak to us9:50 - which emotion do you relate to;22:00 - Bing bong;33:00 - The difference. If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    152 | Consider It All Joy

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, Jon and Steve talk about the nature of joy, and how it differs from happiness. You won't want to miss it!A few of the topics covered:5:45 - Looking for verifiable evidence;10:45 - Knowing the "right words";15:10 - The woman at the well;18:57 - Consider it all joy;21:45 - Happiness versus joy. If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details. Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    151 | In the In Between

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, Jon and Steve talk about what can be done in the time between sessions, and bring up 3 ways you can prepare for your next session with CrossCounsel. A few of the topics covered:6:30 - Tuned in to the pain;8:48 - What to do in between sessions;13:05 - Social anxiety;24:13 - Jon's experience.If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    150 | A Reminder for Times Like This

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, Jon and Steve talk about the events of July 13th, and the importance of forgiveness. A few of the topics covered:0:30 - Witty banter and upcoming events;10:05 - A quick word from Steve;12:45 - What are we looking for from our leaders;16:10 - an example of forgiveness;24:25 - Addressing underlying currents. If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    149 | The Truth Within the Story (Part 2)

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, we finish out interview with Terry Harris, discussing her experience with CrossCounsel, and how that experience influenced one of her novels.  You won't want to miss it!A few of the topics covered:0:30 - Conversation continues;8:25 - What are the takeaways;11:20 - Fictional characters, real resources. If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.You can contact Terry directly at terrytamashiroharris.comYou can also purchase Terry's book, " Love Remains: A Mercy House Novel"on Amazon.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    148 | The Truth Within the Story (Part 1)

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, we sit down with Terry Harris to talk about her experience with CrossCounsel, and how that experience influenced one of her novels.  You won't want to miss it!A few of the topics covered:1:00 - Introducing Terry;9:55 - Sharing through characters;12:00 - Love Remains.If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    147 | Healing Around the World

    CrossCounsel is privileged to bring Training and Ministry in the MELT process to Pastors and leaders in India! Today we will be talking to Sheila who, along with her husband Abraham, have a major influence in the churches in India. Mary and Carol are training a team of ministers who will join them at the ASIA Summit in Malaysia in August.A few of the topics covered:3:25 - Similarities between India and Malaysia;7:55 - Why India needs this ministry;17:45 - Everything is explainable, but not everything is excusable. If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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    Ep. 146 - Removing Obstacles to Identity (Part 3)

    Hello friend! On this episode of the podcast, Jon and Steve finish their discussion with Mary & John Henry, talking about their experience with CrossCounsel, college ministry, and the importance of identity. You won't want to miss it!A few of the topics covered:0:50 - Some questions from Steve;6:00 - Young adults leaving the church;9:50 - The fear of the Lord;15:08 - How to help.If you have questions about our ministry, want to know how to donate, or want to schedule a ministry session, please go to crosscounsel.com for more details.Don't forget to hit follow, and we'll see you on the next one!CrossCounsel WebsiteCrossCounsel on Facebook

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Welcome to the CrossCounsel Podcast! Since 1997, we've been finding a better way to experience healing, growth, and maturity in Christ. Join our co-founder, Rev. Steve Freitag, and special guests as they explore how the Spirit of Jesus transforms us into people who are strong, steady, sturdy, secure, and appropriately compassionate.Diving into our MELT Process isn't easy, but it's well worth it. Those who are willing to engage with both their present and historical pain—and confront their "demons"—can discover unimaginable freedom and peace.Much of this may feel surprisingly simple, yet deeply transformative—strangely normal. Together, let's do all we can in the work God calls us to do.

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CrossCounsel International Ministries

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