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The Deep Dive
by Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Episode 269: Designing Hope & Shaping Our Future w/ Sarah Housley
Philip welcomes Sarah Housley, author of Designing Hope: Visions to Shape Our Future. In their conversation, they discuss how hope operates beyond aspiration and can become a major part of any possible future(s) we desire to create. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Flip – Ngozi Ukazu Sarah’s Drop: Becky Chambers
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Episode 268: The Friend Machine & AI Companionship w/ Victoria Hetherington
Philip welcomes Victoria Hetherington, author of The Friend Machine: On the Trail of AI Companionship. In their conversation, they explore how AI has become a substitute for human relationships and what that means to personal and societal intimacy. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Real Humans (Swedish)
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Episode 267: Utopian/Dystopian Play w/ Matthew Leggatt
Philip welcomes Matthew Leggatt, author of Play in Utopian and Dystopian Fiction and Wastelands and Wonderlands: Utopias and Dystopias in Film & Literature to the show. In their conversation, they discuss how the way utopia/dystopia is framed in our literature, media and film impact how we see our future possibilities. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Columbus and Other Cannibals – Jack D. Forbes Matthews’s Drop: “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas” – Ursula K. Leguin “Ones Who Stay and Fight” – N.K. Jemison The Grasshopper: Games, Life and Utopia – Bernard Suits
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Episode 266: Don’t Talk About Politics w/ Sarah Stein Lubrano
Philip welcomes Sarah Stein Lubrano, author Don’t Talk About Politics: How to Change 21st Century Minds to the show. In their conversation, they discuss how political conversations have a limited ability to change minds and how we can better share and adapt new ideas. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Zora Neale Hurston – Novels & Stories (Library of America) Sarah’s Drop: The Venomous Lumpsucker – Ned Beauman Special Guest: Sarah Stein Lubrano.
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Episode 265: Artificially Intelligent & Being Human w/ David Eliot
Philip welcomes David Eliot, author of Artificially Intelligent: The Very Human Story of AI to the show. In their conversation, they discuss how the AI landscape is shifting how we think about human capabilities and how to understand the social and behavioral shifts due to AI. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Ivan Van Sertima- They Came Before Columbus David’s Drop: Diane Proudfoot – Turing Archive David Graeber – The Dawn of Everything Dr. Brett Aho – Data Communism: Constructing a National Data Ecosystem Special Guest: David Eliot.
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Episode 264: Making Care Work w/ Nancy Folbre
Philip welcomes Nancy Folbre, scholar and author of Making Care Work: Why Our Economy Should Put People First to the show. In their conversation they discuss what are the possible viable future(s) when care becomes a critical component of our economic and social lives. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Mad Men (AMC+) Nancy’s Drop: Street/Protest Art **Special Guest: Nancy Folbre.
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Episode 263: The Future That Was w/ Dubra Mitra
Philip welcomes Dubra Mitra, scholar and author of The Future That Was: A History of Third World Feminism Against Authoritarianism. In their conversation they discuss the various global women collectives that organized their writing, publishing and intelligence gathering in the face of post-colonialism and rising authoritarianism and the critical lessons we can draw from their work. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Count of Monte Cristo (PBS/Masterpiece) Dubra’s Drop Fela Kuti: Fear No Man (podcast) Fatema Mernissi https://fatemamernissi.com/Special Guest: Dubra Mitra.
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Episode 262: How Not to Save the World w/ Anthea Lawson
Philip welcomes Anthea Lawson, author How Not to Save the World: Doing Good Without Annoying Everyone. In their conversation they tackle the state of progressive politics and whether it is possible to change someone’s mind across cultural and political beliefs. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: East of Eden – John Steinbeck Anthea’s Drop: Feminism for a World on Fire – Nastasha Walter The Golden Notebook – Doris Lessing
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Episode 261: Ethics and Culture of AI w/ Clara Hawking
Philip welcomes AI expert Clara Hawking to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the current cultural, regulatory and ethical journey of artificial intelligence and what is inevitable and what isn’t. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Maus – Art Spiegelman Clara’s Drop: Klara and the Sun – Kazuo Ishiguro Special Guest: Clara Hawking.
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Episode 260: Unvaccinated Under God w/ Kira Ganga Kieffer
Philip welcomes Kira Ganga Kieffer, author of Unvaccinated Under God: Religion and Vacccine Hesitancy in Modern America to the show. In their conversation, they trace the origins of what is popularly known as the “anti-vaxx” movement and how the religious right has influenced its trajectory. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Paprika (film) Kira’s Drop: The Spirit Catches You And You Fall Down – Anya Selleck Special Guest: Kira Ganga Kieffer.
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Episode 259: Protest History of the United States w/ Gloria Browne-Marshall
Philip welcomes scholar/author and Emmy Awarrd winner Gloria Browne-Marshall to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book A Protest History of the United States. In their conversation, they trace the social and political structure of the United States through the lens of protest movements. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Nation That Never Was – Kermit Roosevelt III Gloria’s Drop: Martyrs Day Special Guest: Gloria Browne-Marshall.
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Episode 258: Deficit Thinking & Feminist Economics w/ Emma Holten
Philip welcomes Emma Holten, author of Deficit: How Feminist Economics Can Change the World. In their conversation, they discuss how the “deficit’ frame impacts how the economy thinks about women’s labor and how feminist economics can create lasting changes in the world. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The political and economic thinking of Walter Rodney Emma’s Drop: The Director – Daniel Kehlmann Special Guest: Emma Holten.
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Episode 257: Redesigning Thinking & Service Design w/ Clive Grinyer
Philip welcomes Clive Grinyer, author of Redesigning Thinking: How Service Design is Solving Our 21st Century Challenges. In their conversation they reflect on how thinking itself can be framed as a design issue, how we build care into our processes and what constitutes “doing the right thing?” The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Library of America Clive’s Drop: Designing Hope: Visions to Shape Our Future – Sarah Housley Special Guest: Clive Grinyer.
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Episode 256: The Great Resistance w/ Carrie Gibson
Philip welcomes Carrie Gibson, author of The Great Resistance: The 400 Year Fight to End Slavery in the Americas. In their conversation they trace how the history of resistance has been purposely obscured and how the lessons from those ancestorial responses to slavery and oppression are relevant today. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Deep – Rivers Solomon https://rivers-solomon.com/ Carrier’s Drop: Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business – Neil Postman
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Episode 255: The Business of Meaning w/ Peter Spear
Philip welcomes. Peter Spear, host and curator of the newsletter and podcast That Business of Meaning to the show. In their conversation, they discuss all things culture and how the current marketing and media landscape make sense of the world around it. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Vox – Christine Dalcher Primal (HBO Max) Peter’s Drop: Stephen Asma on Imagination Stephen Asma on Monsters & Imagination Book: The Evolution of Imagination Article Imaginology: Towards a New Study of Imagination Stephen Asma on the Strange & Unusual YouTube Professor Asma’s Guide to Unusual Knowledge Spotify Chinwag with Paul Giamatti Ursula LeGuin "Listening is Telling” Jeffrey Kripal Jeffrey Kripal on Humanities & the Impossible Books The Flip: Epiphanies of Mind and the Future of Knowledge How to Think Impossibly: About Souls, UFOs, Time, Belief and Everything Else.
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Episode 254: Bernie Goetz, Reagan and the Rebirth of White Rage w/ Heather Ann Thompson
Philip welcomes Heather Ann Thompson author of Fear and Fury: The Reagan Eighties, The Bernie Goetz Shootings and the Rebirth of White Rage to the show. In their conversation they discuss how the pivotal Bernie Goetz shooting of four innocent Black teens alongside the conservative austerity and race baiting of the Reagan Presidency set the tone for the current climate of white rage. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Future Home of the Living God – Louise Erdrich Heather Ann’s Drop: Tell Her Story: Eleanor Bumpurs & the Police Killing That Galvanized New York City – LaShawn Harris Special Guest: Heather Ann Thompson.
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Episode 253: Crafting Stories of The Future w/ Betty Sue Flowers
Philip welcomes Betty Sue Flowers, author of Scenarios: Crafting and Using Stories of the Future to Change the Present to the show. In their conversation they discuss the power of stories and narrative to influence the stories we tell to shape our future. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Jesse Jackson Jesse Jackson’s 1984 Democratic National Convention Speech Jesse Jackson’s 1988 Democratic National Convention Speech Betty Sue’s Drop: Barbara Jordan Barbara Jordan On Nixon Articles of Impeachment Special Guest: Betty Sue Flowers.
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Episode 252: When Trees Testify w/ Dr. Beronda Montgomery
Philip welcomes plant biologist Dr. Beronda Montgomery, author of Lessons From Plans and When Trees Testity: Science, Wisdom, History and America’s Black Botanical Legacy to the show. In their conversation, they trace the intimate relationship between Black people and the natural world and our historical legacy as told through America’s trees. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Museum of Innocence – Orhan Pamuk (author) TV series (Netflix) https://www.masumiyetmuzesi.org/en https://www.imdb.com/title/tt34692373/ Beronda’s Drop: Family Tree – Jennifer MacArthur (documentary) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt32034856/ https://thefilmcollaborative.org/films/familytree
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Episode 251: No One Leaves Clean w/ Yaw Ofosu-Asare
Philip welcomes designer Yaw Ofosu-Asare, author of No One Leaves Clean: Living, Breathing and Surviving the Post-Colonial Economy to the show. In their episode they discuss how Africa is reshaping itself in a post-colonial reality, how we navigate identity and the power of culture to understand our past and future. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: In Search of the Black Fantastic – Richard Iton Yaw’s Drop: Frantz Fanon Kwasi Wiredu The Beautyful Ones Not Yet Born – Ayi Kvei Armah Special Guest: Yaw Ofosu-Asare.
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Episode 250: Getting Lost with Lost Maps w/ James Cheshire
Philip welcomes cartographer James Cheshire, author of The Library of Lost Maps to the show. In their episode they discuss the history of lost maps, the cultural relevance of maps and whether they still can help us navigate the worlds we inhabit. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Pole to Pole with Will Smith (Disney+) Jame’s Drop: Encouragement to explore thrift shops/old bookstores for maps and other “lost things”
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Episode 249: Culture & The Rules That Make Us w/ Oliver Sweet
Philip welcomes Oliver Sweet, author of The Rules That Make Us: How Culture Shapes the Way We Act, Think, Believe and Buy. In their conversation they discuss the complexity of culture and how it impacts our thinking across a variety of criteria. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Wet Leg (Spotify) https://open.spotify.com/artist/2TwOrUcYnAlIiKmVQkkoSZ?si=JgS3qvlKTUKaYC_9rQimPQ Oliver’s Drop: Barry Can’t Swim (Spotify) https://open.spotify.com/artist/0vTVU0KH0CVzijsoKGsTPl?si=oPiThhgXQLWjUkjAZAJqnQSpecial Guest: Oliver Sweet.
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Episode 248: True Human w/ Samantha Sweetwater
Philip welcomes Samantha Sweetwater, author of True Human: Reimagining Ourselves at the End of the World. In their conversation, they explore the meaning of what it is to human, how we navigate death and what future(s) can we build. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Kings of Convenience (Spotify) Samantha’s Drop: Jacob Collier (Spotify) Special Guest: Samantha Sweetwater.
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Episode 247: Artificial Humanities w/ Nina Begus
Philip welcome Nina Begus, author of Artificial Humanities: A Fictional Perspectives on Language in AI to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the important role that humanities can play in how AI is positioned in the world. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Andor (Disney+) Poor Things (Disney+) Nina’s Drop: The Mask by Stanislaw Lem
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Episode 246: Outgrowing Modernity with Vanessa Machado De Oliveira
Philip welcomes scholar Vanessa Machado De Oliveira author of Outgrowing Modernity to the show. In their conversation they trace how the history of modernity has been a central part of the worlds stories and how new perspectives must be introduced in order to confront this reality. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Common Side Effects (HBO Max) A Sky Full of Elephants – Cebo Campbell Vanessa’s Drop: A Meta-Relational Approach to AI Special Guest: Vanessa Machado De Oliveira .
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Episode 245: A Fork in the Road w/ Indy Johar
Philip welcomes back perennial guest, Indy Johar for the first episode of the 7th season of The Deep Dive. Their conversation is a wide ranging exploration of the state of our entangled worlds and what they are thinking through for 2026 and beyond. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Pluribus (Apple TV) Twenty Enemies – James Forman Indy’s Drop: Against the Machine: On the Unmaking of Humanity – Paul Kingsworth https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/against-machine Don’t Cry (special version) – SNX
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Episode 244: Caught in the Streaming Wars w/ Charlotte Henry
Philip welcomes Charlotte Henry, media expert and author of Streaming Wars: How getting everything we wanted changed entertainment forever to the show. In their conversation, they trace how the rise and dominance of streaming has changed our viewing and listening habits. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Foundation (Apple TV) Fresh Meat (Amazon Prime) Charlotte’s Drop: Blue Lights (Britbox) Mythic Quest (Apple TV)
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Episode 243: Collaborating with the Enemy w/Adam Kahane
Philip welcomes back Adam Kahane to the show. In this conversation they discuss the updated edition of one of his seminal works Collaborating with the Enemy: How to Work with People You Don’t Agree with or Like or Trust. Their exploration couldn’t be more timely given the increased polarization across many parts of society. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Flora & Son (Apple+) Adam’s Drop: The Big Lebowski Special Guest: Adam Kahane.
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Episode 242: The Positive Obsession of Octavia E. Butler
Philip welcomes Susana M. Morris, author of Positive Obsession: The Life and Times of Octavia E. Butler to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the generational impact and influence of Octavia E. Butler and her singular place in the pantheon of writers. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Maigret (PBS/Masterpiece) Susana’s Drop: Abbott Elementary (Hulu/Disney+)
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Episode 241: Man Up and the New Misogyny w/ Cynthia Miller-Idriss
Philip welcomes Cynthia Miller-Idriss, author of Man Up: The New Misogyny & the Rise of Violent Extremism. In their conversation, they explore how misogyny operates across various spectrums to create and spread violent extremism. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: 40 Acres (Disney+) Cynthia’s Drop: Pet – Akwaeke Emezi Special Guest: Cynthia Miller-Idriss.
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Episode 240: The Studio & Design Education w/ James Corazzo, Colin M. Gray & Derek Jones
Philip welcomes James Corazzo, Colin M. Gray and Derek Jones co-authors of Studio Properties: A Field Guide to Design Education to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the physical and non-physical reality of the Studio and what it means for the future of design education. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Ride (Disney+/Hulu) James’ Drop: Dancing at the Edge of the World – Ursula K. LeGuin Colin’s Drop: Knife’s Edge: Chasing Michelin Stars (AppleTV) Derek’s Drop: The Expanding University – William Roy Niblett Special Guests: Colin M. Gray, Derek Jones, and James Corazzo.
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Episode 239: Naturekind & Thinking Beyond the Human w/ Melissa Leach & James Fairhead
Philip welcomes Melissa Leach & James Fairhead, authors of Naturekind: Language, Culture & Power Beyond the Human. In their conversation, they discuss the reality of a more expansive view of language and culture to include non-human life and how human dominance effects our relationships with the world. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Thank You, Everything – Icinori Melissa’s Drop: “Hope” Is a River Alive? – Robert MacFarlane James’ Drop: Auguries of Innocence – William Blake
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Episode 238: Goliath’s Curse w/ Luke Kemp
Philip welcomes Luke Kemp, the author of the bestselling work, Goliath’s Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collapse. In their conversation they dissect Luke’s thesis on what collapse means and how its impact is unevenly distributed and how it has changed over the centuries now we live in a “global goliath”. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: https://www.scottmccloud.com/2-print/4-zot/index.html Luke’s Drop: Merhcants of Doubt – Naomi Oreskes/Erik Conway Against the Grain – James C. Scott Gangster States: Organized Crime, Kleptocracy and Political Collapse – Katherine Hirschfeld Special Guest: Luke Kemp.
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Episode 237: The Connected Leader w/ Emmanuel Gobillot
Philip welcomes Emmanuel Gobillot, author of The Connected Leader to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the inherent paradoxes that make up leadership roles and how one builds consensus and creates trust. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Martyr – Kaveh Akbar Emmanuel’s Drop: The Secret of Secrets – Dan Brown Special Guest: Emmanuel Gobillot.
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Episode 236: Crisis of Leadership w/ Steve Wyatt
Philip welcomes Steve Wyatt, author of Antidote to the Crisis of Leadership to the show. In their conversation, they connect whether the crisis of leadership is real or imagined and more acute in these times versus others. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: House of Guinness (Netflix) Steve’s Drop: Lost in Transformation – Rupert BrownSpecial Guest: Steve Wyatt.
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Episode 235: The Art of Design Strategy w/ Garkay Wong
Philip welcomes Garkay Wong, author of The Art of Design Strategy to the show. In their conversation, they explore the future of design innovation and what are the key structural challenges and opportunities in the design discipline. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Godwin – Joseph O’Neill Garkay’s Drop: K-Pop Demon Hunters (Netflix) Special Guest: Garkay Wong.
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Episode 234: The Killing State w/ Corinna Barrett Lain
Philip welcomes. Corrina Barrett Lain, author of Secrets of the Killing State: The Untold Story of Lethal Injection. In our conversation, we explore the ugly reality of lethal injection across medical, political and legal realities. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Americans (Hulu) Corinna’s Drop: A Gentleman in Moscow (Paramount+) Special Guest: Corinna Barrett Lain.
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Episode 233: Beyond The Male Crisis w/ Soraya Chemaly
Philip welcomes Sorya Chemaly back to the show to discuss the so-called Male Crisis. Chemaly, an expert on gender and the author of the upcoming book All We Want is Everything: How to Dismantle Male Supremacy, breaks down the inconsistencies of the male crisis narrative and connects it to the movement of male supremacy. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: How the South Won The Civil War – Heather Cox Richardson Soraya’s Drop: Drawing, Sketching, Doodling Each DaySpecial Guest: Soraya Chemaly.
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Episode 232: What Might Be w/ Susan Sturm
Philip welcomes Prof. Susan Sturm, author of What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Institutions. In our conversation, we discuss how important it is to honestly confront racism and how movements can grow in times of rising authoritarianism. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Malcolm- Jamal Warner Susan’s Drop: Blue Special Guest: Susan Sturm.
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Episode 231: Creating a Care Economy w/ Tim Jackson
Philip welcomes back Tim Jackson to the show to discuss his latest book, The Care Economy. In their conversation, they breakdown how care is essential to building a society where all of us can prosper. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Pitt (HBO Max) Parks & Recreation (Peacock) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1266020/ Tim’s Drop: True Detective – Season 1 – (HBO Max) Extractive Capitalism – Laleh Khalili In a Different Voice – Carol Gilligan Special Guest: Tim Jackson.
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Episode 230: Money, Lies and God w/ Katherine Stewart
Philip welcomes journalist and author Katherine Stewart to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book Money, Lies and God. In their conversation, they chart the rise of Christian Nationalism and how it influences government through a network of money, influencers and the pulpit and the disastrous effect this has had on American democracy. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Number One on the Call Sheet (Apple TV) Mr. McMahon (Netflix) Katherine’s Drop: Hound Dog – Big Mama Thornton Hey Joe – Billy Roberts I Can’t Stand the Rain – Ann Peebles
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Episode 229: The Crisis Within Foster Care w/ Claudia Rowe
Philip welcomes Claudia Rowe, author of Wards of the State: The Long Shadow of American Foster Care. In their conversation, they explore the deep crisis within the foster care system and how it adversely effects the children it is attempting to serve. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Secrets We Keep (Netflix) Claudia’s Drop: Sinners (HBO Max) Adolescence (Netflix)
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Episode 228: A Nonlinear Life w/ Kevin Bethune
Philip welcomes back designer/author Kevin Bethune to discuss his latest book Nonlinear: Navigating Design with Curiosity and Conviction. Using Kevin’s career and life they trace the importance of accepting a nonlinear path that can provide opportunities, alternatives and solutions that might otherwise be missed. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Captain America: Brave New World (Disney+) Kevin’s Drop: 1Q84 – Haruki Murakami
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Episode 227: Private Equity and the Demise of the American Dream w/ Megan Greenwell
Philip welcomes journalist/author Megan Greenwell to discuss her book Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream. In their conversation, they explore how private equity has effected almost every facet of American industry and what have been the implications of the financialization of whole economies. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Killers of The Dream – Lillian Smith Megan’s Drop: There is No Place for Us – Bryan Goldstone
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Episode 226: We Just Build Hammers w/ Coraline Ada Ehmke
Philip welcomes Coraline Ada Ehmke, author of We Just Build Hammers. In their conversation, they discuss how the analogies and stories we tell ourselves about our technological past impacts and shapes our future. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: We Are Ladyparts (Peacock) Coraline’s Drop: Fediverse Death (proto-punk band) Witch
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Episode 225: Futures Literacy in a Volatile World w/ Donna Dupont
Philip welcomes Donna Dupont, Founder, Purple Compass to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the current landscape of future(s) and foresight practices and how various methodologies and perspectives can generate viable solutions. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Lucy Rose – This Ain’t the Way You Go Out Donna’s Drop: Dan Gilbert – TED “The Psychology of your Future Self” Special Guest: Donna Dupont .
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Episode 224: Gaia Wakes & Emergent Planetary Intelligence w/ Topher McDoughal
Philip welcomes Topher McDoughal, author of Gaia Wakes: Earth’s Emergent Planetary Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devestation to The Deep Dive. In their conversation, they discuss the meaning of intelligence and how it connects to a living planetary system. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Captive’s War – James.S.A Carey Topher’s Drop: Staying with the Trouble – Donna J. Haraway Gnomon – Nick Harkaway
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Episode 223: Words as Violence w/ Alia Dastagir
Philip welcomes journalist Alia Dastagir, author of To Those Who Have Confused You to Be a Person: Words as Violence and Stories of Women’s Resistance Online. In their conversation, they discuss the harm and violence that women encounter online and how it effects our digital and cultural spaces. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: North of North (Netflix) Alia’s Drop: There Are No Girls on the Internet Spitfire News 1883 1923 Special Guest: Alia Dastagir.
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Episode 222: Making Futures Work w/ Phil Balagtas
Philip welcomes “fellow Phil” Phil Balagtas, author of Making Futures Work to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the myriad ways in which Futures has evolved as a discipline, what role strategy plays in future making and why are we fascinated by flying cars? The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Fannie Lou Hamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiApoSpxbz0 https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/freedomsummer-hamer/ Phil’s Drop: Darryl Anka/Bashar https://www.instagram.com/basharchanneling https://www.bashar.org/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHo5pAZyeMw/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH5dVSnikJ7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Episode 221: Everyday Habits and Radical Engagement w/ Adam Kahane
Philip welcomes Adam Kahane, author of Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems. In their conversation, they discuss how transformation rarely works the way most people assume and how building on everyday habits can create systemic change. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: The Reactionary Mind – Corey Robin Adam’s Drop: The Big Lebowski
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Episode 220: Research for Designers w/ Gjoko Muratovski
Philip welcomes Gjoko Muratovski, editor of Research for Designers: A Guide to Methods and Practices (3rd Edition). In their conversation they discuss how design has changed over the decades and how effective it is when confronting the worlds most intractable problems. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Paradise (Hulu) Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Diaster on the Edge of Space – Adam Higginbotham Gjoko’s Drop: The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements – Eric Hoffer The Scope of Total Architecture – Walter Gropius Special Guest: Gjoko Muratovski.
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The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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