The Inclusive AF Podcast
by WRKdefined Podcast Network
Two BFFs. Decades in HR. Zero corporate speak. Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton talk about work, culture, and the things most companies won't say out loud. What actually happens to people at work, and what to do about it. Between them they've led people teams, run talent functions, built HR from scratch, and watched a lot of programs get announced and then quietly killed. They bring receipts. They also laugh a lot, because some of this is genuinely absurd. Expect real talk about hiring, leadership, burnout, bias, and the gap between what companies say and what they do. Plus monthly guests who've been in the room where it happened. If you work in HR, lead a team, or just want your job to suck less, you're in the right place. New episodes weekly. inclusiveafpodcast.com
Episodes
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Inclusive AF at HR Tech: Best of 2024–2025
Two years of HR Tech, on camera. Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton on the floor in 2024, then the guests from HR Tech week 2025 who showed us what actually worked: a retention tool that took preventable turnover to zero at one site, and a COBOL developer who opened a door three years of pitching...
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Can AI Make Hiring Less Biased?
General purpose AI can be more biased than humans. AI built for hiring can widen the candidate slate and raise quality at the same time. Tina Shah Paikeday, Senior Advisor for Responsible AI at Findem, has tested both, and she explains what HR leaders should check before they buy. Jackye Clayton...
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GLP-1s at Work: Weight Bias, Benefits & Who Gets to Be Healthy
GLP-1s are changing more than people’s bodies. They’re exposing some uncomfortable truths about work. Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get personal about their own experiences with GLP-1s, from paying out of pocket and navigating insurance coverage to realizing how differently the world can…
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Where are the Black people in Argentina?
What happens when an absence becomes so familiar that nobody thinks to question it? While watching the World Cup, Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn noticed that Argentina’s national team looked different from many of the teams competing around it. That observation opened a much bigger…
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Leveraging AI to Improve Talent Quality and Diversity with Tina Shah Paikeday
Get ready for a thought-provoking conversation on The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn sit down with Tina Shah Paikeday , Senior Advisor for Responsible AI at Findem, to dig into how AI is revolutionizing talent acquisition and diversity, equity, and...
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Elevating Neurodiverse Talent: Breaking Interview Barriers with Coach Ramon Santillian
Ready to transform your job search and ace your next interview? In this powerful episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton sit down with expert interview coach Ramon Santillian to unpack the secrets to landing your dream role—especially for those who are neurodiverse…
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Finding Reliable News: Media Blind Spots, Privilege, and the Power of Asking Questions
🎙️ Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast with Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton! In this special episode, the hosts dive deep into how and where people get their news, the challenges of finding unbiased sources, and why it matters more than ever with today’s fast-moving headlines. From Ground News...
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Women, Minorities, and Veterans: Who Benefits in Texas’ New Business Program?
Join Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn on this eye-opening episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast as they dive into recent controversial decisions affecting diversity, equity, and inclusion. From AT&T axing its DEI programs to Texas shifting its support for underutilized businesses, Jackye Clayton…
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Actionable Paths to Racial Equity and Belonging in Business with Hugues Sygney Jr.
Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this powerful episode, hosts Jackye Clayton & Katee Van Horn sit down with Hugues Sygney Jr. for an inspiring conversation about justice, equity, and how businesses can create true impact in their communities—with a special focus on the B Corp movement. We...
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Making Job Hunting Human Again with Michael Wenning @ HR Tech2025
Get ready for an eye-opening episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! Hosts Katee Van Horn and Robin Schooling sit down with special guest Michael Wenning, HR tech innovator, to dive deep into the realities of modern job searching, hiring bias, and how technology is reshaping the candidate…
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What Happens When Public Welfare Programs Get Gutted with Katee & Jackye
Get ready for another thought-provoking episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosted by Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton! In this episode, Jackye dives into the real impact of recent government layoffs — especially those hitting the CDC and Department of Education. Are these cuts really about...
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When Company Culture Fails: The Hidden Signals Leaders Send Every Day with Dr. Bobby Melloy
Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Bobby Melloy and Jackye Clayton dive deep into the changing landscape of workplace culture, the science behind organizational psychology, and the impact of AI in HR. Joined by special guest Bobby Malloy from Culture Amp…
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Radical Generosity and Rethinking Competition: Insights from Ruchika Malhotra on Inclusive AF
Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this episode, we’re thrilled to welcome inclusion strategist and author Ruchika T. Malhotra, who dives deep into her groundbreaking books, including "Inclusion on Purpose" and...
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Navigating Chaos by Design: HR’s Role in Social Equity and Generational Wealth w/ Ashley & Desiree
🔥 NEW EPISODE ALERT! 🔥 Welcome to another unapologetically real episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! This time, they’re joined by Desiree Goldey and Ashley King, powerhouse co-hosts of the Talentless podcast, for a candid, thought-provoking...
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Navigating AI Adoption in HR: From Shiny Tools to Meaningful Workforce Planning w/ Sarah & Sofia
Ready to transform your HR strategy for the future of work? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, host Katee Van Horn sits down with Sophia Whelan and Sarah Smart, co-founders of Horizon Human, for an honest, insightful discussion about the evolving landscape of HR and Talent Acquisition…
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HR Tech 2025: The Future of Retention Through Peer-Driven Recognition with Curtis Forbes
🎸 How can we make EVERYONE feel seen at work—while actually driving retention and business results? On this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, Katee Van Horn sits down with the dynamic Curtis Forbes (he/him)—former jazz musician, serial entrepreneur, and founder of Mustard Hub—to jam about...
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Navigating Uncertainty: Building Inclusive Cultures and Resilient Leaders w/ Dr. Carol Parker Walsh
Ready for a fresh, honest take on workplace inclusion and leadership? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn are joined by Dr. Carol Parker Walsh, an expert in organizational culture and psychological safety. They dive deep into what’s really going on...
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Would You Rather: DEI Hot Takes and Real Talk With Jackye and Katee
Ready for a refreshingly REAL conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn turn up the fun with a rapid-fire “Would You Rather: DEI Edition” game! They tackle everything from DEI budgets vs. CEO support…
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Why Changing DEI Terms Won’t Change the Mission with Eric M. Bailey
Welcome to another episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this insightful and candid conversation, we welcome back Eric M. Bailey—author of "The Cure for Stupidity"—to dig deep into the ever-evolving world of diversity, equity, inclusion, and...
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Navigating the VA’s DEI Rollback and The Real Cost to Veterans with Katee & Jackye
Welcome to another powerful episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! 🎙️ In this episode, Jackye and Katee dive deep into the impact of the recent rollback of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives within the Department of Veterans Affairs. Discover...
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What to Do When Work Feels Hopeless: Realities Facing Employees and HR Today with Katee & Jackye
Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast! In our most recent episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get real about what's happening in workplaces and in the world right now. From HR ethics scandals and employee morale drops to the impact of DEIB cuts and the increasing role of AI at work, we...
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From Burnout to Boundaries: Protecting Your Space in Challenging Times with Lindiwe Davis
Ready for some real talk on navigating job pivots, protecting your mental health, and finding your purpose—especially when it feels like the world is upside down? Join hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton for another empowering episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️ This week, returning…
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HR’s Wake Up Call: Auditing AI Tools After the Workday Bias Case with Katee & Jackye - Episode 155
🎙️ Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this must-listen episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn dive into one of the hottest and most pressing topics in HR: AI Bias in Recruiting—especially focusing on the landmark Mobley vs. Workday lawsuit. With over 1.1 BILLION applications...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Dr. Rebecca Eldredge - Episode 154
Ready to explore what real inclusion and well-being look like—especially for those doing the heavy lifting on the frontlines of change? On this episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton are joined by Dr. Rebecca Eldridge, a licensed psychologist with 20+ years…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye - Episode 153
🔥 Welcome to Episode 153 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🔥 This week, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive deep into the truths about undocumented workers in the U.S.—and the myths, misinformation, and politicized narratives surrounding them. Did you know undocumented immigrants contribute...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye - Episode 152
🎙️ Welcome to Episode 152 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️ In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Jackye Clayton (VP of Talent Acquisition and DEIB) and Katee Van Horn dive deep into the current political climate and its direct impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye - Episode 151
Step into one of the most jaw-dropping conversations of the year! In Episode 151 of The Inclusive AF Podcast, Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn break down the shocking real-life consequences of the 2025 use of the Alien Enemies Act—a law from 1798 that’s suddenly front-page news. What does it…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye - Episode 150
Radical Self-Care for Black Women: Why Rest is a Necessity, Not a Luxury | Inclusive AF Podcast Ep. 150 In episode 150 of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive into a raw and powerful discussion that’s long overdue: Black women’s exhaustion and why radical…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Nico Santos - Episode 149
🌈 Welcome to Episode #149 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🌈 This week, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn sit down with Nico Santos (he/him), a passionate DEI strategist, communicator, and advocate for organ donation and health equity. Nico shares his inspiring journey from broadcast…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye - Episode 148
🌈 Welcome to Episode 148 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🌈 Join hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn as they tackle an urgent and serious topic that affects us all: the relentless political and policy actions targeting our transgender community. With their unapologetically inclusive…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye - Episode 147
In this engaging episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton delve into the significant impact of recent executive orders on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) across various sectors. Join them as they discuss the complexities and challenges surrounding these...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Scott Curran - Episode 146
🌟 Dive into Episode 146 of The Inclusive AF Podcast 🌟 Join us as we sit down with Scott Curran, a corporate attorney and CEO of Beyond Advisors, who is reshaping the landscape of social impact, law, and DEI. Explore how Scott's unique career journey across corporate law, nonprofit leadership…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee and Jackye - Episode 145
Join Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn in Episode 145 of The Inclusive AF Podcast as they dive deep into the implications of HR 899, a bill aimed at dismantling the Department of Education in the United States. In this enlightening episode, they discuss the wide-ranging effects it could have on...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye
Join hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton on this enlightening episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast as they dive into the intricate world of workplace safety and the potential impacts of the controversial NOOSHA Act. Discover why the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA) is crucial for...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye
Inclusive AF Podcast Ep. 143 - Executive Orders, Civil Rights, and Taking Care of Ourselves in 2025 Welcome back to The Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this episode, we dive deep into the whirlwind of executive orders signed on January 22, 2025, and what...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Michael Paciello
Join Us for an Inclusive AF Journey with Michael Paciello! In this episode of "The Inclusive AF Podcast," hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn welcome Michael Paciello, Chief Accessibility Officer at AudioEye, for an insightful discussion on accessibility and inclusivity. From his…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Amberly Dressler and Jaylene Owen
🌟 Welcome to another episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! This week, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton are joined by special guests Amberly Dressler and Jaylene Owen to dive into the unique world of HR in remote Alaska. 🌟 🛖 Amberly Dressler, corporate marketing lead at isolved, and…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye
In this episode of "The Inclusive AF Podcast," hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive into candid conversations about the current political and social climate. They share personal stories from the tense election period and discuss the emotional and professional challenges of supporting...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Hannah MacDonald-Dannecker
Join us as we get inclusive AF with Hannah MacDonald-Dannecker, managing partner of Better Together group! 🌍✨ In this compelling episode, Hannah dives deep into the mission behind her company’s staffing and consulting divisions, shares strategies for finding top talent in challenging industries,...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye (HR Tech)
Welcome to another eye-opening episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton! 🎙️ Dive into the world of HR tech, explore the impact of AI biases, and discover the implications of return-to-office mandates. 🤖🏢 In this lively "happy hour edition" recorded...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Meggie Palmer
Welcome to the latest episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! Join host Jackye Clayton as she sits down with the dynamic Meggie Palmer, founder of PepTalkHer, to dive deep into the nuances of workplace inclusivity, self-advocacy, and the gender pay gap. In this episode, you'll learn: - The critical...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye
Welcome to another empowering episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast with hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton! 🌍✨ In this episode, Katee and Jackye dive deep into the importance of evolving our beliefs when faced with new information. They reflect on past misconceptions (hello, fat-free diets!)...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Christina Blacken
Title: Getting Inclusive AF with Christina Blacken | The Inclusive AF Podcast Description: Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this episode, our dynamic hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn sit down with the inspiring Christina Blacken, founder of The New Quo, to discuss how we can foster...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Katee & Jackye
Welcome to another engaging episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️ In this episode, your hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive deep into various issues surrounding diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB). 🌍✨ From their admiration for political figures and local reactions to...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Sheryl Daija
In this insightful episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn sit down with Sheryl Daija, the brilliant founder and CEO of BRIDGE. Discover how Sheryl and her team are revolutionizing Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DE&I) practices across the corporate world.…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Brittany S. Hale
Join us for an insightful episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast as we explore the evolving landscape of organizational culture with special guest Brittany S. Hale. Discover how COVID and racial reckoning have impacted workplace dynamics, leadership styles, and the intersection of gender and…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Lindiwe Davis
NEW EPISODE! Meet our latest guest, Lindiwe Davis. Lindiwe is a multi-talented and multi-passionate individual. She is a founder, business creative, speaker, storyteller, and culture changemaker. As a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Leader, Lindiwe's daytime job in tech allows her to lead…
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Getting Inclusive AF with Opportunity @ Work
Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast! In this episode, we dive into the power of skills-based hiring and the value of non-traditional pathways. Our guests, Natalia Lara, Crystal Zilliox, and Danielle Guadeloupe-Rojas, share their inspiring journeys and advocate for dismantling traditional hiring...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Jackye and Katee
🎙️ Get ready to dive deep into the impact of current events on work productivity and democracy with hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn on the latest episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast! From concerns about re-election to shocking workplace incidents, it's an episode packed with...
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Getting Inclusive AF with Shannon and Tracey
🌟 Welcome to the "Inclusive AF" Podcast hosted by Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! 🎙️ Join us as we welcome Shannon Lucas and Tracy Lovejoy, catalyst leaders driving positive change in organizations and the power of inclusivity in the workplace. In this episode, we explore the impact of...
About this show
Two BFFs. Decades in HR. Zero corporate speak.
Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton talk about work, culture, and the things most companies won't say out loud. What actually happens to people at work, and what to do about it.
Between them they've led people teams, run talent functions, built HR from scratch, and watched a lot of programs get announced and then quietly killed. They bring receipts. They also laugh a lot, because some of this is genuinely absurd.
Expect real talk about hiring, leadership, burnout, bias, and the gap between what companies say and what they do. Plus monthly guests who've been in the room where it happened.
If you work in HR, lead a team, or just want your job to suck less, you're in the right place.
New episodes weekly.
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