The Jim Rutt Show

Jim talked with Cory Doctorow—prolific sci-fi and nonfiction author, journalist, activist, EFF special adviser, and author of Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It—about how structural forces degraded the internet, and what citizens (not consumers) can actually do about it. They discussed: The origin of "enshittification"—Cory's January 2023 blog post, its viral spread, and its naming as Word of the Year by the American Dialect Society Two-sided markets & the persistence of intermediaries Crad Kilodney as a self-publishing illustration, and why platform middlemen survive even when they shouldn't Monopsony vs. monopoly The real statistics of Amazon's dominance of book sales The three-stage enshittification life cycle, using Facebook as the case study The brittle equilibrium of late-stage enshittification—the thin line between "I hate this but can't leave" and mass exodus The metaverse as Facebook's terminal pivot—Zuckerberg's "legless, sexless, low-polygon" avatar world stolen from a 25-year-old cyberpunk novel, and why it still served him by forestalling investor sell-offs Zuckerberg as Rich Uncle Pennybags, not Willy Wonka Amazon's early history & Bezos's "your margin is my opportunity" mantra Amazon's junk fees (now 50–60% and rising) and the $80 billion/year advertising payola business The consumer welfare doctrine—Robert Bork's antitrust theory that monopoly is efficient, and why allowing monopsonies inevitably produces monopolies Jim's personal experience with the Thomson-West legal publishing merger Tech workers as a structural check on enshittification The convergence enabling enshittification: merger to monopoly → regulatory capture → loss of worker leverage → DMCA blocking entrants → abuse The moral decay of business culture—from "we won't do profitable things we think are wrong," to "do whatever's arguably legal," to "do whatever's illegal if the fine is less than the benefit" Google's $20 billion/year payment to Apple to stay off the search market Why predatory pricing cases went unenforced What citizens (not consumers) can do The death of federal antitrust enforcement and international ripple effects State-level antitrust action as a remaining avenue The right to repair as an easy entry point Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs as a paradoxical opportunity Tech as geopolitical weapon—Microsoft accounts bricked for a Brazilian judge who sentenced Bolsonaro; the ICC chief prosecutor's accounts shut down after the Netanyahu arrest warrant The vision for open, auditable, sovereign digital public goods to replace the enshittified American Internet—run internationally, controlled locally … and much more. Links Episode Transcript Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It, by Cory Doctorow The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI: How to Think About Artificial Intelligence Before It's Too Late, by Cory Doctorow JRS EP 198 - Cory Doctorow on Seizing the Means of Computation JRS EP4 - Cory Doctorow – “Radicalized,” Race and Resilience Radicalized, by Cory Doctorow The Internet Con, by Cory Doctorow The Bezzle, by Cory Doctorow "TikTok's enshittification," by Cory Doctorow Pluralistic.net Electronic Frontier Foundation Bio Cory Doctorow is a science fiction author, activist, and journalist. He is the author of many books, including the forthcoming The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI: How to Think About Artificial Intelligence Before It's Too Late. Previous works include Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It, the subject of this interview; The Internet Con: How to Seize the Means of Computation, a Big Tech disassembly manual; Red Team Blues, a science fiction crime thriller; Chokepoint Capitalism, nonfiction about monopoly and creative labor markets; the Little Brother series for young adults; In Real Life, a graphic novel; and the picture book Poesy the Monster Slayer. In 2020, he was inducted into the Canadian Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame.

Jim talks with Tyson Yunkaporta—indigenous Australian scholar and author of Sand Talk, one of Jim's top ten favorite books—about his metaphysics and worldview, the ecology of sex and creation, and how to wear rationalist and traditional knowledge frameworks simultaneously. They discuss: Jim's editorial endorsement of Sand Talk—"one of the top 10 best books I have ever read" Tyson's trilogy of books Humans as a custodial species—sacred carers embedded in nature Who Tyson is when he wakes from deep sleep Tyson's experience under general anesthesia—ten thousand years of deep dark oblivion How Jim shifted Tyson toward rationality and evidence-based thinking Tyson's reassessment of peer review and collective scientific inquiry as similar to Indigenous processes of collective knowledge-building Tyson's late initiation into the Apalech clan The distinction between "knowledge systems" and "knowledge of systems" Color blindness as a biological advantage in traditional systems knowledge What's missing in people who haven't gone through full initiation Men's "belly spirit" (nenwi) and "spirit womb" in the Apalech tradition Images and ghosts—the shadow spirit as ego, and how infinite self-replication on social media drains the spirit Tyson's cousin Eric becoming a viral meme and TikTok phenomenon Forager social operating systems and mechanisms to prevent dominant individuals Aboriginal law's three core rights Sex as the center of everything Tyson's response to Plato's Cave Dreamtime and songlines as mistranslations Dreamtime as not an altered state but a continuous orientation The irony of mutual influence—Tyson becoming a rationalist skeptic partly through Jim; Jim becoming more open to spirit partly through Tyson The 3D glasses metaphor for wearing Indigenous and rationalist-materialist lenses simultaneously … and much more. Links Episode Transcript Snake Talk: How the World’s Ancient Serpent Stories Can Guide Us, by Tyson Yunkaporta and Megan Kelleher Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, by Tyson Yunkaporta Right Story, Wrong Story, by Tyson Yunkaporta JRS EP 282 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Law, Lore, and Learning JRS Currents 032 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Spirits, GameB & Protopias JRS EP 65 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Complexity JRS EP 66 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Knowledge JRS Currents 010 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Humans As Custodial Species "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt Bio Dr. Tyson Yunkaporta is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk; Right Story, Wrong Story; and Snake Talk. His work focuses on applying Indigenous methods of inquiry to resolve complex issues and explore global crises.

Jim talks with Lisa Buckingham—a veteran HR leader at Vialto Partners, US Soccer, Lincoln Financial, and Thomson—about how the LLM era is reshaping hiring and job architecture, and how companies and workers can roll with the changes. They discuss: Jim and Lisa's shared history in natural language processing labs thirty years ago—and the contrast with today, where "everybody can be an AI expert" The kind of people to hire in the age of LLMs: intellectual curiosity, learning agility, and willingness to work differently "Trust the machine, but always validate"—the principle of embracing AI while maintaining human oversight COVID as an accelerant of technology adoption Workforce adoption realities at Vialto—evangelists, pessimists, and the change management challenge Shark Tank-style internal AI contests as a model for engaging employees with new tools Why the "future of work" is dead Programmers and product managers merging roles; job architectures flattening into skills-based, fluid inventories AI's historical weight—"as pivotal as electricity"—and the limits of anyone's ability to predict machine learning's trajectory Jim's "what, when" framework and the twin failure modes of AI projects "Test and learn" as the right posture toward AI transformation, and whose responsibility "what, when" actually is—CEO, CTO, and sales as a coalition The productivity multiplier for programmers—7–10x gains—and Jim's argument that demand for software could actually increase total programmer headcount Why sales jobs are probably not highly "AI-able" anytime soon, and what salespeople need to communicate to retain relevance Lisa's personal use of Claude and Copilot 365 The leveling effect of AI for non-STEM people Jim's argument (since November 2022) that top liberal arts graduates are the most natural prompt engineers Lisa's 1999 Georgetown thesis—"Are liberal arts majors the answer to the .com era worker shortage?"—and its uncanny parallel to the 2026 humanities debate The education paradox: how Lisa's son was banned from using AI in class but required to be an AI expert for his summer internship The calculator analogy, and whether AI in education follows the same arc Resistance to the AI voice in writing Jim's technique for capturing stylistic tendencies with AI The rising costs of frictional bureaucracy and the unreasonable effectiveness of small teams What Lisa saw on a recent safari about what AI can't replace, and the choice between evolving and being overtaken Learning agility as the core HR question—how to handle employees who cannot or will not embrace AI The shifting meaning of "owning your work" … and much more. Links:  Episode Transcript Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI, by Ethan Mollick The Elements of Style, by William Strunk Jr. and E.B. White Bio:  Lisa M. Buckingham is a globally recognized human resources executive with over twenty-five years of experience leading people, culture, and transformation strategies across complex, mission-driven organizations. As Chief People & Culture Officer for Vialto, she oversees the company’s global people strategy, driving organizational performance and advancing a culture of inclusion and agility that supports Vialto’s purpose of helping people thrive in a global, mobile world.

Jim talks with Peter Wang—chief AI officer, cofounder and CEO of Anaconda, board member of the Center for Humane Technology, and founder of the Austin STEM Center—about Robert Pirsig's metaphysics of quality, how modernity encourages defection, and a secular conception of the sacred. They discuss: Peter's self-description as "the music in a violin that can kind of hear itself" The "Peter Wang-shaped hole in the universe" thought experiment Subject-object Cartesian dualism as a false alienation Minimum viable metaphysics & atheistic agnosticism Religion as an evolutionary emergent coherence mechanism for human collectives Figure and ground as a metaphysical lens—the anonymous soil that allows religion to sprout The Unix fortune "Man was invented by water to carry itself uphill" & Peter's teleology origin story Process metaphysics & presentism—"we're not going anywhere, we're becoming someone" Pirsig's metaphysics of quality & the four strata of static patterns of value The intellectual plane vs. the social plane & Ken Wilber's pre-trans fallacy Defection within collaborative groups as the dynamic all human social systems try to constrain "Death from a Distance"—throwing, beta coalitions & the emergence of a middle class of power Modernity's shrinking locus of care & the collapse of embedded social context The agglomeration of defectors & how fluid capital enables sociopathic hoarding Money-on-money return as today's dominant pruning rule Joint attention as a scarce collective resource & social media's perforation of shared intersubjective infrastructure Human agency & "micro-abdications" as the aggregate source of Moloch / Game A The augmented currency thought experiment—metering human thriving alongside financial returns Broken collective sense-making & the search for dynamic, adaptable values Peter's secular conception of the sacred—the "eternal golden braid of humanity" "Ofness"—holding both distinctness and belonging to the world ... and much more. Links: Episode Transcript JRS EP 278 Peter Wang on AI, Copyright, and the Future of Intelligence JRS Currents 092: Peter Wang on The Meaning Crisis and Consequentiality JRS EP 16 Anaconda CTO Peter Wang on The Distributed Internet "The Silent Sky and the Test Ahead," by Jim Rutt "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert M. Pirsig Lila: An Inquiry into Morals, by Robert M. Pirsig Chaos: Making a New Science, by James Gleick Death from a Distance and the Birth of a Humane Universe, by Paul M. Bingham and Joanne Souza The Selfish Gene, by Richard Dawkins Center for Humane Technology Peter Wang is the Chief AI and Innovation Officer and Co-founder of Anaconda. Peter leads Anaconda’s AI Incubator, which focuses on advancing core Python technologies and developing new frontiers in open-source AI and machine learning, especially in the areas of edge computing, data privacy, and decentralized computing.

Jim talks with recurring guest and deep systems thinker Jordan Hall about the scaffolding of his worldview. They discuss the waking-up scenario as a window into consciousness and personal identity, Jordan's phenomenology of waking and the "latent potential of all possible memory," the soul as the binding of finite and infinite, Jim's counter-framing of consciousness as a fusion of perception, interoception, and unconscious memory, the infinite as genuinely real, the Platonic triangle as a concrete example of transcendentals that have no particular location in the causal field, Forrest Landry's distinction between being and existence, knowing with confidence vs. knowing with certainty, Jordan's basic ontological commitment to realism, the incoherence of simulation theory, Jim's "Minimum Viable Metaphysics," the incoherence of unmediated access as the meaning of the word reality, Father Stephen DeYoung's critique of Western substantive essentialism, Bonitta Roy's idea that reality is shareable and participatory, Michael Levin's pragmatic epistemology, how purpose collapses reality to a tractable slice, "begottenness" in Christian metaphysics and the generativity of relationships, Jordan's onto-epistemology as the register before ontology and epistemology are distinguishable, Jordan's recent adoption of "smorthodox" Christianity, the phenomenology of waking as evidence that space-time is secondary, prioritizing meaningfulness over causation as a metaphysical commitment, Updike as "still alive" in the realization of his work, the Greek preoccupation with legacy and honor after death, Eric Weinstein's desire for Einsteinian legacy as a category error, love as the real currency of legacy, the Mark Twain reading as an example of a soul genuinely present in a room, Jim's father as an ongoing example of realization twenty-six years after his death, noticing a parent's turn of phrase in oneself, the sweetness of impermanence, the good vs. abusive father and different relationships to a parent's memory, values and virtues as real, the distinction between courage and bravery, culture as the progressive discovery and embodiment of virtue space, the crab-in-the-bucket problem, fallenness as local optimization, and much more. Episode Transcript deepcode (Jordan's Substack) JRS EP 284 Jordan Hall on AI, the Commons, and the Church JRS EP 255 Is God Real? (with Jordan Hall) JRS EP 223 Jordan Hall on Cities, Civiums, and Becoming Christian JRS EP 170 John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall on The Religion That Is Not a Religion JRS EP26 Jordan Hall on the Game B Emergence JRS EP8 Jordan "Greenhall" Hall and Game B "Minimum Viable Metaphysics", by Jim Rutt JRS EP 341 Worldviews: Bonnitta Roy on Post-Formal Actors, Stage Theory, and the Character Void in Leadership Jordan Hall is the Co-founder and Executive Chairman of the Neurohacker Collective. He is now in his 18th year of building disruptive technology companies. Jordan’s interests in comics, science fiction, computers, and way too much TV led to a deep dive into contemporary philosophy (particularly the works of Gilles Deleuze and Manuel DeLanda), artificial intelligence and complex systems science, and then, as the Internet was exploding into the world, a few years at Harvard Law School where he spent time with Larry Lessig, Jonathan Zittrain and Cornel West examining the coevolution of human civilization and technology.

Jim talks with Bonnitta Roy, interdisciplinary thinker and founder of the Pop-Up School and the Divinity School, about her worldview, the deep foundations of her work, and an upcoming conference in Cambridge. They discuss the phenomenology of waking up and recomposing, life as a stream of participation, being nested in place through horses, pigeons, bees, and gardens, covariant motions as her process-philosophy term for embeddedness, the limits of computational rationalism, the bench scientist versus the metatheoretical interpreter, Michael Levin's interpretive science and the standards it demands, McGilchrist's left-brain dominance in late-stage Game A, early complexity theory's assumption that enough compute could map all relations, the open future and retrofitted causal explanation, emergence and causality as co-resident trees, Bonnitta's critique that emergence does insufficient explanatory work, continuous gradients beneath emergent thresholds, the traffic jam as a case study in laminar flow breakdown and downward causality, a 55-gallon drum of Jim Rutt chemicals, modularity as a post-hoc feature of development rather than its driver, where the impulse to get a beer actually comes from, the Buddhist thought experiment of cells covarying above and below thresholds, the evolutionary stack from amoeba to eukaryote to bone, white blood cells as ancient life forms living inside the body as habitat, the importance of precise definitions of consciousness, levels of simulation from New Caledonian crows to humans simulating a simulation into other people, the introspective nervous system's first-person and always-running third-person modes, Anil Seth's hallucination framing and Bonnitta's belief that simulation is the better word, why calling biological visual adjustment a hallucination is irresponsible pedagogy, Kant and the grounded approximation of reality, cultural variation in color perception, complex potential states versus the adjacent possible, Elon Musk as an example of seeing past constraints to new potential states, Bonnitta's critique of stage theory as pipeline-shaped rather than genuinely developmental, the Agile Manifesto generation acting their way into results without the formation stage theory assumes, David Bays's mathematics book and culturally bound leaps in simulation capacity, egocentric versus allocentric modes in neurodynamics, the self-generative trap of inner development and parts work where parts have parts, the three-legged stool of self, other, and world, the egregore as a hugely powerful collective agent, the historical arc from Renaissance world-builders to postmodern distributed agency, the Divinity School's question of how to lead free and willing participants, post-formal actor superpower types with powerful action logics but insufficient character, and much more. Episode Transcript Divinity School Conference: Innovations in Biological Intelligence & Machine Agency JRS EP 17: Bonnitta Roy on Process Thinking and Complexity The Pop-Up School (Substack) GSNV (Substack) Bonnitta Roy is founder of Alderlore Insight Center, and academic director of The Divinity School. She describes herself as a gardener, horse whisperer, and insight guide. She has two Substack publications: The POP-UP School where she is currently building out her philosophy of The Global State Naturalized View, and GSNV, where she posts articles generated by her GPT-engine trained on that view.

Jim talks with Liv Boeree—science communicator, former professional poker player, and host of the Win-Win Podcast—about consciousness, egregores, multipolar traps, and the ethics of factory farming. They discuss the nature of personal identity across sleep, the teleportation machine thought experiment, consciousness as a self-aware story-threading entity, the "attention as cursor of consciousness" framing, Jim's memory-competition theory of attention, Gerald Edelman and Daniel Dennett as proponents of competitive models, the Telepathy Tapes podcast and nonverbal autistic children, Donald Hoffman's view that consciousness is foundational, panpsychism and the "radio tuner" model, Liv's poker premonition story and a $1,700,000 tournament win, two flavors of consciousness and psychedelics as a way of dialing into different frequencies, poker as spanning pure luck to pure skill, the data revolution in poker and the rise of game-theory robots, poker as an egregore and the idea that "the game is playing me," probability at micro vs. macro scales, egregores defined as beings in meme space, Moloch as the personification of multipolar traps, Instagram face filters as a micro Moloch example, the Moloch mechanism of individually rational but collectively destructive action, Scott Alexander's "Meditations on Moloch," the breakfast cereal Moloch as a case study, the three interlocked layers of the AI multipolar trap, Marc Andreessen's techno-accelerationism and its blind spots, introducing "Norma" as the second negative attractor state representing centralization and authoritarianism, Moloch and Norma feeding into each other, psychopaths as first movers in Molochian races, the obligate psychopath concept, Elinor Ostrom's work on managing the commons, zero-knowledge proofs as a win-win third path, Descartes' philosophical origin of Western indifference to animal suffering, expanding the moral circle, the conditions of factory-farmed pigs and the economics of gestation crates, the health and environmental consequences of factory farming, cultivated meat as the win-win solution, and much more. Episode Transcript The Win-Win Podcast, with Liv Boeree "Meditations on Moloch," by Scott Alexander Currents 090 with BJ Campbell and Patrick Ryan "AI 2027," by Daniel Kokotajlo et al. Governing the Commons, by Elinor Ostrom Liv Boeree is one of the UK’s most successful professional poker players, winning multiple titles during her professional career, including a European Poker Tour Championship and World Series of Poker bracelet. Originally trained in astrophysics, she has hosted various popular science TV shows, and now works as an artist and researcher specializing in the intersection of game theory, technology and risk. She is a co-founder of Raising for Effective Giving (REG), an advisory organization that fundraises for the most globally impactful causes, and an ambassador to Longview Philanthropy. Her most recent project is the Win-Win Podcast, which explores how people and society can develop a healthier relationship with the forces of competition.

Jim talks with John Krakauer—professor of neurology and neuroscience, director of the Center for Study of Motor Learning and Brain Repair at Johns Hopkins, and external faculty at SFI—about his 2017 paper "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias." They discuss defining behavior as ecologically valid goal-directed action within an animal's umwelt, behavioral decomposition being epistemically prior to neural investigation, bipedal running and Sherrington's spinalized cat experiments as illustrations of that decomposition, what a satisfying neural explanation should actually look like, emergence and neuroscientists' resistance to it, the concept of explanatory autonomy and the "wings don't fly, birds do" framing, downward causality and the traffic jam analogy, Sherrington's own epistemic humility about understanding thought, whether consciousness will eventually be explained the way life was or remain permanently fuzzy, the three traditions of studying the nervous system and their persistent tensions, the problem of double-dipping with coarse-grained behavioral language in neural data, "filler verbs" like "involves" and "underlies" that add surplus meaning to a correlation without doing extra explanatory work, everyday pseudo-explanations like dopamine for unhappiness and oxytocin for love, the identity fallacy, LLMs as scientific sparring partners and critical reviewers, Krakauer's vertigo at the current moment and the possibility of retiring if AI generates better intuitions, interpretable AI as a new subject for neuroscience and psychology, Jim's own artificial consciousness project building a rudimentary white-tailed deer, distinguishing consciousness from cognition and sentience, separating the machinery of consciousness from its contents, Nagel's "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" and echolocation as conscious content, multiple realizability and its being pervasive and fatal to naive reductionism, the mereological fallacy and mirror neurons as ground zero for multiple fallacies, Marr's three levels and the direction of the scientific project from behavioral goal to algorithm to neural implementation, the bradykinesia paper finding that Parkinson's patients move slowly because they want to move more slowly, the C. elegans connectome and the limits of that knowledge, the Jonas and Kording microprocessor paper, and much more. Episode Transcript "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias", by John Krakauer "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?", by Thomas Nagel "Why Don't We Move Faster?", by Pietro Mazzoni, Anna Hristova, and John Krakauer "Could a Neuroscientist Understand a Microprocessor?", by Eric Jonas and Konrad Kording John Krakauer is currently John C. Malone Professor, Professor of Neurology, Neuroscience, and Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, and Director of the Brain, Learning, Animation, and Movement Lab at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. He is also an External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute and Director of the Centre for Restorative Neurotechnology at The Champalimaud Centre for the Unknown. His areas of research interest include experimental and computational studies of motor control and motor learning, long-term skill learning and its relation to higher cognitive processes, prediction and mechanisms of motor recovery after stroke, new neuro-rehabilitation approaches including immersive XR gaming with generative AI, robotics and invasive CNS stimulation, and philosophy of mind. He is slowly working on a new book on the mind, intelligence, and AI for Princeton University Press.

Jim talks with Jeff Giesea, entrepreneur, writer, and founder of the Boyd Institute, about his essay "Dionysian Futurism" and the broader question of what's missing from our visions of the future. They discuss Nietzsche's Apollo/Dionysus framework from The Birth of Tragedy, the critique that techno-optimist futures are lifeless and sterile, Jim's extension of that critique to Game B and adjacent social change spaces, the distinction between positive Dionysian energy and mere degeneracy, Jim's concept of decadence as wire-heading on dopamine traps and gambling apps, generational decline in conviviality, Gen Z statistics on less sex and fewer dates, the structural economic pressures of student debt and housing unaffordability, the shift in college freshman values away from meaningful philosophy of life toward financial success, the dinner party versus restaurant ratio and what's been lost, the vanished culture of Georgetown dinner salons and political hostesses like Pamela Harriman, the trade-off between women entering the workforce and the loss of socially maintained conviviality infrastructure, the call to bring back the host or hostess curating eight to twelve people around a topic, Jeff's "The Humanities Revolution Has Already Begun" essay and the Kairos Project's decentralized open-source great-books discussion groups, Hannah Arendt's The Human Condition and its relevance to AI and what it means to be human, the tent-revival quality of the new bottom-up humanities movement, Homer and the bards as evidence that great books were never meant only for scholars, Substack as Renaissance Florence, self-gatekeeping around the humanities and the call to read great books at any phase of life, Jim's return to the Iliad and Odyssey and current reading of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, audiobooks and the opportunity to produce better audio versions of copyright-free great works, Foucault as a poisoner of two generations of scholars, the woke turn in university humanities departments and Jacob Savage's essay "The Lost Generation," three drivers of the humanities revolution in pushback against woke academia, digital technology, and AI, AI as a tool for reading difficult books versus the risk of delegating critical thinking, Pirsig's concept of quality as a North Star for deciding when to use AI, taste as the Silicon Valley word for quality, Jeff's "goddamn Boomers" trilogy on the Boomer reckoning and the long Boomer farewell, the Boomer paradox of holding society together while holding it back, the gerontocracy problem of spending six dollars on old people for every one dollar on young people, entitlement spending flowing to the wealthiest demographic, Social Security couples at the top receiving over a hundred thousand dollars a year, California's real estate tax caps and their effect on schools, the political power of older voters and the absence of an AARP for young people, Gen X's failure to produce a presidential contender, Don Draper in Mad Men as a hinge figure between Greatest Generation and Boomer values, Boomer narcissism versus Gen X grandiosity, Jim's reframe of the core Boomer failing as hyper-individualism rather than narcissism, and much more. Episode Transcript "Dionysian Futurism," by Jeff Giesea The Boyd Institute Jeff Giesea (Twitter) "The Lost Generation," by Jacob Savage "The Boomer Reckoning No One's Ready For," by Jeff Giesea "Boomer Caregiving Will Wreck Our Politics," by Jeff Giesea "The Long Boomer Farewell," by Jeff Giesea "The Broligarchy Will Either Save the World or Destroy It," by Jeff Giesea Jeff Giesea is an entrepreneur, investor, and writer. A Stanford graduate, he has built several successful businesses and recently founded the Boyd Institute, a policy lab for America's future. You can read his essays on his Substack.

Jim talks with Philip Rosedale, founder and CEO of Linden Lab and creator of the game Second Life, about the nature of self, society, and the design of virtual worlds. They discuss the phenomenology of waking up and coalescing into a self, the polycrisis and whether to work on AI or on software that helps people get along better, Philip's role-based sense of identity, his messianic feeling during Second Life's early days versus a more Zen perspective now, humanity's place in the cosmic timeline, resistance to the techie utopian view that humans are merely a stepping stone to AI, the duty to "think local" and align at the scale of immediate community, Doug Rushkoff's "team human" concept, shared objective reality as social glue, the danger that technology has reduced the coherence of our collective worldview, Jim's "minimum viable metaphysics" and the reality assumption as operationally necessary, overapplying quantum mechanics to produce anti-realist worldviews, Philip's founding vision for Second Life as an emergent system contrasted with Old Testament god-game design, Craig Reynolds' Boids flocking rules and the tattoo encoding cohesion, separation, and alignment, emergent currency as a feature rather than a bug, the demand for beautiful avatars and identity expression as the first break from the simulation dream, why low-fidelity text platforms became massive while Second Life became big but not huge, the uncanny valley problem and its origins, AI video generation as a potential breakthrough for real-time believable face animation in virtual worlds, the whites of human eyes as a social signaling adaptation, the topology of connectivity producing different social emergence, Second Life's local topology versus Twitter's power-law scale-free network, the Game B concept of the membrane and voluntary strong-sauce agreements within small groups, Facebook groups as an early moment of rightness before the bleaching phenomenon took hold, crypto's attraction of bad actors and Vitalik Buterin's recent admission that Ethereum didn't serve humanity as intended, anonymity as generally harmful and the need for identity through group belonging, the trillion-dollar opportunity of a personal agent as a defensive membrane, the mid-nineties fork in the road on micropayments versus free, neutral infrastructure decisions having massive emergent cultural effects, what Jim learned from the Santa Fe Institute about the limits of confident long-range prediction, Karl Friston's work on consciousness and the membrane around something alive, world-model building as fundamental to selfhood, consciousness as discovering the self inside the world model, lucid dreams as a visceral analogy for the strange loop, and much more. Episode Transcript Free, by Chris Anderson Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, by Douglas Hofstadter "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?", by Thomas Nagel Awakening the Angels", by Philip Rosedale Team Human, by Douglas Rushkoff Philip Rosedale is the founder of Second Life, where he served as CEO for a decade and recently rejoined as CTO. He previously created FreeVue, an early videoconferencing app acquired by RealNetworks, where he became CTO and led the creation of RealVideo. He later co-founded High Fidelity, an open-source VR platform that pivoted to spatial audio. His current projects include FairShare, a group-based digital currency aimed at reducing wealth inequality, and the California Institute of Machine Consciousness, a research initiative exploring consciousness in machines.

Jim talks with Rufus Pollock—entrepreneur, activist, Zen practitioner, founder of Life Itself and the Open Knowledge Foundation, and author of Open Revolution—about the metacrisis, the wisdom gap, and what a Second Renaissance might look like. They discuss Jim's own early belief that accessible information would produce a renaissance of democracy, the realization that "open knowledge does not make open minds," the printing press and Gutenberg as a historical parallel to today's breakdown of sense-making, why today's epistemic crisis is exponentially harder than 1520 because any formulation you want is on offer, the breakdown of trust in science and rational bureaucracy as parallel to the collapse of Catholic epistemic authority, Christopher Alexander's work as the best analogy for wisdom and his claim that beauty and wholeness are real, Rufus's three elements of wisdom—"valuception," discernment, and the capacity to act—applied both individually and collectively, how humans have solved collective action problems by culturally hijacking kin-care genetics to imagine a larger we, culture as scaffolding for people who can't or won't do inner work themselves, Joseph Henrich's framing of humans as the imitation ape rather than the smart ape, the distinction between surface culture and deep civilizational paradigms, Life Itself's conscious co-livings as experiments in new cultural practices, the personal-institutional spiral and why retreat benefits evaporate without external scaffolding, the three layers of the metacrisis, distinguishing the polycrisis from the metacrisis using the HIV/AIDS analogy, modernity's core assumptions and how in the endgame the light becomes a shadow, the five features of a Second Renaissance worldview compared to modernity, technology as the de facto religion of modernity, the Buddhist distinction between waking up and growing up and the aspiration for an awakening society, AI as a case study in the multipolar trap at the company, capital, and geopolitical levels, the historical engine of group enlargement and why war can no longer serve that function, and much more. Episode Transcript Open Revolution, by Rufus Pollock Rufus Pollock's Website Life Itself Life Itself Hubs for Conscious Community A Pattern Language, by Christopher Alexander The Nature of Order, by Christopher Alexander The Timeless Way of Building, by Christopher Alexander Open Knowledge Foundation Second Renaissance Second Renaissance White Papers Introduction to Developmental Spaces (information and paper) Metacrisis: An Introduction Rufus Pollock is an entrepreneur, activist and author as well as a long-term zen practitioner. He is passionate about finding wiser, weller ways to live together. He has founded several for-profit and nonprofit initiatives including Life Itself, Open Knowledge Foundation, and Datopian. His book Open Revolution is about making a radically freer and fairer information age. Previously he has been the Mead Fellow in Economics at the University of Cambridge as well as a Shuttleworth and Ashoka Fellow. A recognized global expert on the information society, he has worked with G7 governments, IGOs like the UN, Fortune 500s as well as many civil society organizations. He holds a PhD in Economics and a double first in Mathematics from the University of Cambridge.

Jim talks with Samantha Sweetwater about her book True Human: Reimagining Ourselves at the End of Our World and the question of what it means to be human at this moment in planetary history. They discuss her verb-based rather than noun-based self-identity, Lisa Feldman Barrett's construction theory as a framework for understanding the entanglement of body, brain, mind, and relationship as the fabric of lived experience, Samantha's identity as a "Gaian" and humans as a creator-destroyer class of organism, the Fermi paradox and the gigantic moral freight of potentially being the only general intelligence in the universe, the meaning of the sacred and John Vervaeke's formulation that "sacred is how the world is to us when we see it through the eyes of love," Jim's own definition of the sacred as the appropriate stance toward things too complex for reductionist analysis, the metacrisis as fundamentally a crisis of separation, the four generator functions of separation including stories of separability, structures of separability, win-lose game-theoretic dynamics, and dominator ideologies, the forager operating system and Chris Boehm's account of how egalitarian societies historically defeated hierarchy, the hinge of agriculture and henchmen enabling dominator systems, Luke Kemp's Goliath's Curse and the contrast between fluid civilizations and Goliaths, role-based non-hierarchical leadership in forager societies and whether it can scale, Audrey Tang as an emergent archetype of life-centric coordination, psychedelics as allies and teachers rather than mere tools, Samantha's personal healing path through sacrament, community, and prayer, the neuroscience of heightened neural entropy and the brain's wash cycle, the ontological reframe of one's own importance, the hard problem of machine consciousness and the California Institute for Machine Consciousness, the space of minds and the n=1 problem of one planet and one biochemistry, the MoltBook experiment of AI inventing languages and religions, relationality as the core practice available to people in their actual lives, humans as a custodial species and co-orchestrators rather than dominion-holders, Tyson Yunkaporta's Sand Talk, and much more. Episode Transcript True Human: Reimagining Ourselves at the End of Our World, by Samantha Sweetwater Goliath's Curse, by Luke Kemp Sand Talk, by Tyson Yunkaporta JRS Currents 010: Tyson Yunkaporta on Humans as a Custodial Species Samantha Sweetwater is the author of True Human: Reimagining Ourselves at the End of Our World, a meta-relational educator, leadership mentor, and the founder of One Life Circle, a ministry of remembering. For over three decades, she has facilitated individual and collective transformational experiences across diverse cultures and communities on five continents. As the founder of Dancing Freedom and Peacebody Japan, she pioneered a global movement of embodied awakening and trained hundreds of facilitators worldwide. Her work bridges ecology, complexity, spirituality, and technology with lived experience, inviting a re-imagining of what it means to be human in a time of planetary techno-cultural transformation. Through teaching, writing, and attuned presence, she helps people restore relationship with their bodies, each other, and the living world as a foundation for wise action in uncertain times.

Jim talks with cognitive scientist and AI researcher Joscha Bach about the computational and representational foundations of consciousness, mind, and reality. They discuss the phenomenology of waking up and coalescing into a self, language as a representational architecture and natural language as "a genre of music," the brain as a game engine constructing a simulated world, the "feeling of realness" as a hallucination, "to be real means to be implemented" as a criterion for reality, money as an AI and a mechanism for reward allocation, the need for multi-dimensional organizational signaling beyond money, the apparent reversibility of the universe as an emergent observational artifact, the block universe and its incompatibility with stacked emergence, causality as a model property and retrocausality at the level of agents, computation vs. the simulation hypothesis, the brain's object engine and the perceptual choice to see textures vs. named objects, aphantasia and metacognition about perception, why only simulations can be conscious, Christof Koch's shift from physicalism to panpsychism and the unreliability of revelatory mental states, consciousness as second-order perception distinct from selfhood, panpsychism's resurgence and its failure to formalize "the consciousness of a particle," consciousness as happening at neuronal communication speeds, intelligence vs. consciousness as relatively orthogonal dimensions, the Waymo as highly intelligent but not conscious, François Chollet's argument that deploying skills is not itself intelligent, consciousness as a consensus algorithm analogous to blockchain, whether a bacterium or a cat needs a self-model to achieve coherence, emotion and motivation as core to cognition in MicroPsi, Karl Friston's free energy principle and its limits at higher emergent levels, humans as "multicellular at the next level" forming transcendental agents, the global optimum of collectively enacted agency as "God" as the ultimate source of meaning, and much more. Episode Transcript California Institute for Machine Consciousness (CIMC) Principles of Synthetic Intelligence, by Joscha Bach JRS EP 72 - Joscha Bach on Minds, Machines & Magic JRS EP 87: Joscha Bach on Theories of Consciousness - JRS EP Currents 83: Joscha Bach on Synthetic Intelligence Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist and AI researcher, and the founder of the California Institute for Machine Consciousness. In the past, he researched and taught at Humboldt University of Berlin, the Institute of Cognitive Science in Osnabrück, MIT Media Lab, the Harvard Program for Evolutionary Dynamics and Intel Labs. He has helped build several startups and created the cognitive architecture MicroPsi, which studies the relationship between emotion, motivation and cognition. He currently lives in the Bay area in California.

In this Worldviews episode, Jim talks with Iain McGilchrist about consciousness, matter, and the nature of reality. They discuss consciousness as the basis of everything we know, matter as a phase of consciousness that provides resistance and persistence, pan-experientialism and the belief that everything in the cosmos experiences in some form, the whirlpool metaphor for individual consciousness within a broader field, emergent naturalism and nested levels of organization, the question of whether the universe is continuous or granular at the Planck scale, consciousness in animals including chimps and corvids, language as the principal difference between human and animal consciousness, John Vervaeke's distinction between propositional and participatory knowing, the divided brain and how the left and right hemispheres attend to the world differently, the left hemisphere's focus on decontextualized abstractions versus the right hemisphere's grasp of interconnected wholes, how the left hemisphere deals with representations while the right hemisphere experiences presences, living in a world dominated by the relatively stupid left hemisphere, the relationship between consciousness and reality as an encounter rather than naive realism or idealism, relations coming before things, Lee Smolin's argument that time cannot be an illusion, assembly theory's challenge to the block universe, values as ontological primitives that cannot be derived from a valueless cosmos, the distinction between value and values, teleology as a lure rather than determinism using Waddington's creodes metaphor, the three elements of a fulfilled life (belonging to a coherent social group, belonging in nature, and belonging in the cosmos), the breakdown of collective sense making despite increased education levels, the decline in the caliber of political leaders, the distinction between information and wisdom, and much more. Episode Transcript The Master and His Emissary, by Iain McGilchrist The Matter with Things, by Iain McGilchrist JRS EP 154 - Iain McGilchrist on The Matter With Things JRS EP 155 Iain McGilchrist Part 2: The Matter With Things The Emergence of Everything, by Harold Morowitz Time Reborn, by Lee Smolin JRS EP 5 Lee Smolin - Quantum Foundations and Einstein’s Unfinished Revolution Iain McGilchrist is a former Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, an associate Fellow of Green Templeton College, Oxford, a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, a Consultant Emeritus of the Bethlem and Maudsley Hospital, London, a former research Fellow in Neuroimaging at Johns Hopkins University Medical School, Baltimore, and a former Fellow of the Institute of Advanced Studies in Stellenbosch. He now lives on the Isle of Skye, off the coast of North West Scotland, where he continues to write, and lectures worldwide. He is committed to the idea that the mind and brain can be understood only by seeing them in the broadest possible context, that of the whole of our physical and spiritual existence, and of the wider human culture in which they arise – the culture which helps to mould, and in turn is moulded by, our minds and brains.

In a special edition of the new Worldviews series, Brendan Graham Dempsey asks Jim about his life and worldview using a faith development interview. They discuss Jim's life chapters from growing up through becoming a complexity guy and GameB advocate, his age 11 epiphany that religion is bullshit after researching world religions at the library, the formative influence of his wife and parents who built lives from poverty, his realization that exponential growth on a finite planet driven by advertising and economic systems is destructive, understanding the limits of knowledge through complexity science and rejecting naive Newtonianism, his three core values of human well-being, ecological richness, and preserving humanity's path to bring the universe to life, the belief that humans may be the only general intelligence in the universe, the sacred as high-dimensional experiences that can't be explained scientifically, the importance of humility given how often we're wrong, the decision-making method of studying enough for a bullshitter's understanding then walking until reaching a conclusion, utilitarian deontology, human life as a leaf node on the tree of emergence, language and science as major transitions with AI as a potential third, disbelief in the supernatural, explaining evil through game theory, psychopathy as evil by nature, humans as mesoscale entities, a universe fine-tuned for emergence, and much more. Episode Transcript Institute of Applied Metatheory A God That Could be Real: Spirituality, Science, and the Future of Our Planet, by Nancy Ellen Abrams Brendan Graham Dempsey is Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory, where he studies the complexification of worldviews and human meaning-making systems across scales. He holds an advanced degree from Yale University, where he studied religion and culture. His books include Emergentism: A Religion of Complexity for the Metamodern World and the multi-volume Evolution of Meaning series. He is Managing Editor of Integration: The Journal of Big Picture Theory and Practice and a founding editor of Metamodern Theory & Praxis.

Jim talks with Michael Shermer about his worldview and his new book, Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters. They discuss Michael's self-identification as a monist and realist who believes in a physical objective world, the concept of fallibilism, intersubjective verification of the interobjective, reliance on authorities and institutions, the battle between the book of authority versus the book of nature, balancing rationality with empiricism, the dependence of mathematical truths on axioms, January 6 as an example of people acting rationally on false beliefs, Shermer's journey from born-again Christian to atheist and Jim's opposite journey from Catholicism to atheism, treating religious literature like great literature with deeper truths, the study of consciousness and the hard problem versus the easy problem, separating intelligence from consciousness, consciousness as a biological process like digestion, the question of machine sentience, a critique of Donald Hoffman's interface theory, evidence for veridical perception through mimicry in nature and animals climbing trees, skepticism about brain-in-a-vat and simulation scenarios, minimum viable metaphysics, Thomas Nagel's concept of one thought too many, Jonathan Rauch's constitution of knowledge, the replication crisis in psychology, the breakdown of trust in institutions due to COVID and the noble lie, the problem of scaling laws with followership, moral realism and the survival and flourishing of sentient beings, the principle of interchangeable perspectives, discovering moral values through problem-solving, the evolution of ethics and the expanding moral sphere, and much more. Episode Transcript Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters, by Michael Shermer The Michael Shermer Show Why People Believe Weird Things, by Michael Shermer The Believing Brain, by Michael Shermer Why Darwin Matters, by Michael Shermer The Science of Good and Evil, by Michael Shermer Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational, by Michael Shermer "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt JRS EP 287 - Jonathan Rauch on the Epistemic Crisis Dr. Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and the host of the podcast The Michael Shermer Show. For 30 years he taught college and university courses in critical thinking, and for 18 years he was a monthly columnist for Scientific American. He is the author of New York Times bestsellers Why People Believe Weird Things and The Believing Brain, Why Darwin Matters, The Science of Good and Evil, The Moral Arc, Heavens on Earth, Giving the Devil His Due, and Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational. His new book is Truth: What it is, How to Find it, Why it Still Matters. Follow him on X @michaelshermer.

Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about his worldview. They discuss Ben's morning experience of consciousness crystallizing from ambient awareness, his identification as a panpsychic, the concept of pattern being more fundamental than stuff, Charles Peirce's ontology of first/second/third, the idea of uryphysics as a broader notion of physics beyond metaphysics, parapsychology and psi phenomena including remote viewing and Project Stargate, reincarnation-like phenomena and cases from India, experimental design in parapsychology research, the legitimation of both AGI and psi research, the consciousness explosion occurring alongside AI/ASI development, Jeffrey Martin's work on fundamental well-being and persistent nonsymbolic experience, the immense design space of possible minds, human cognitive limitations like seven plus or minus two short-term memory, the single-threaded nature of human consciousness versus potential multi-threaded ASI, scenarios for beneficial superintelligence and options for humans to remain in human form or upload, the question of how long human existence would remain interesting post-singularity, psychedelics as tools for accessing different states of consciousness and insights into mind construction, the absence of shamanic institutions in modern culture, experiences with DMT and heroic doses, holding multiple contradictory perspectives simultaneously, Walt Whitman's notion of containing multitudes, Ben's intuitive sense that consciousness and the basic ground of being are fundamentally joyful and compassionate, arguments for why superintelligence will likely be good based on efficiency of mutually trusting agents, and much more. Episode Transcript The Consciousness Explosion, by Ben Goertzel JRS EP 217 Ben Goertzel on a New Framework for AGI JRS EP 211 Ben Goertzel on Generative AI vs. AGI JRS Currents 072: Ben Goertzel on Viable Paths to True AGI Evidence for Psi: Thirteen Empirical Research Reports, ed. Damien Broderick & Ben Goertzel Dr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author.  Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel’s research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more.

In the inaugural episode of a new series, Jim talks with David Krakauer about his intellectual formation and worldview. They discuss what woke up as David this morning, his commitments to chance and pattern seeking, his epiphany about the idea of the idea at age 12 or 13, his perverse attraction to the arcane and difficult, evolution as integral to intelligence, the risk-averse character of scholars and the sociology of science, the Santa Fe Institute's attempt to maintain revolutionary science, the Ouroboros concept challenging foundationalism in epistemology, the standard model of physics as foundational versus the view that you can establish foundations anywhere, string theory as a slowly dying pseudoscience, whether beauty is a useful guide in science, emergence and broken symmetries, Phil Anderson's "More is Different" paper, the Wigner reversal and the shift from law to initial conditions, rejecting both weak and strong emergence, effective theories and causally justified concepts, downward causality, micrograining versus coarse graining, the distinction between abiotic and biotic systems, games and puzzles as model systems for complexity, combinatorial solution spaces, heuristics as dimensional reducers and potentially the golden road to AGI, Isaiah Berlin's influence on David's worldview, negative versus positive liberties, value pluralism and historicity, the Fermi paradox and the possibility of alien life, the rational versus the irrational in human life, and much more. Episode Transcript JRS EP 192 - David Krakauer on Science, Complexity and AI JRS EP10 - David Krakauer: Complexity Science The Complex World: An Introduction to the Foundations of Complexity Science, by David Krakauer Worlds Hidden in Plain Sight: The Evolving Idea of Complexity at the Santa Fe Institute, 1984–2019, by David Krakauer History, Big History, & Metahistory, by David Krakauer "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt "More Is Different," by P.W. Anderson The Emergence of Everything, by Harold Morowitz David Krakauer’s research explores the evolution of intelligence and stupidity on Earth. This includes studying the evolution of genetic, neural, linguistic, social, and cultural mechanisms supporting memory and information processing, and exploring their shared properties. President of the Santa Fe Institute since 2015, he served previously as the founding director of the Wisconsin Institutes for Discovery, the co-director of the Center for Complexity and Collective Computation, and professor of mathematical genetics, all at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

In this flipped episode, Brendan Graham Dempsey interviews Jim about the ideas in his recent Substack essays "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics" and "What I Mean by 'Metaphysics'." They discuss metaphysics as assumptions for learning and reasoning, the difference between deduction, induction, & abduction, Jim's belief that there are no paradoxes in the real world, the reality principle, the asymmetry principle, the lawfulness principle, the potential stochastic nature of reality, why determinism and lawfulness aren't the same, consciousness in the tree of emergence, why emergence is important, causal time, downward causality as the main claim of emergence, temporal reciprocal emergence, Jim's reputation for drawing a firearm when the word metaphysics is used, the weak & strong anthropic principles, and much more.

Jim talks with Nate Soares about the ideas in his and Eliezer Yudkowsky's book If Anybody Builds It, Everyone Dies: Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us All. They discuss the book's claim that mitigating existential AI risk should be a top global priority, the idea that LLMs are grown, the opacity of deep learning networks, the Golden Gate activation vector, whether our understanding of deep learning networks might improve enough to prevent catastrophe, goodness as a narrow target, the alignment problem, the problem of pointing minds, whether LLMs are just stochastic parrots, why predicting a corpus often requires more mental machinery than creating a corpus, depth & generalization of skills, wanting as an effective strategy, goal orientation, limitations of training goal pursuit, transient limitations of current AI, protein folding and AlphaFold, the riskiness of automating alignment research, the correlation between capability and more coherent drives, why the authors anchored their argument on transformers & LLMs, the inversion of Moravec's paradox, the geopolitical multipolar trap, making world leaders aware of the issues, a treaty to ban the race to superintelligence, the specific terms of the proposed treaty, a comparison with banning uranium enrichment, why Jim tentatively thinks this proposal is a mistake, a priesthood of the power supply, whether attention is a zero-sum game, and much more.

Jim talks with Alex Ebert about the ideas in his Substack essay "New Age and the Religion of Self: The Anatomy of a Rebellion Against Reality." They discuss the meanings of New Age and religion, the New Thought movement, the law of attraction, manifesting, Trump's artifacts of manifestation, the unmooring from concrete artifacts, individual and collective hallucinations, intersubjective verification of the interobjective, the subjective-first perspective, epistemic asymmetry as the cool, New Ageism's constant reference to quantum physics, manifesting as a way to negate social responsibility, the odd coincidence of leaving the gold standard and New Ageism, spiritual bypassing, a global derealization, new retribalized collective delusions, the Faustian bargain of AI, rationality as a virus, the noble lie, indeterminacy as a sign of emergence, nostalgia as a sales pitch, regaining the sense of hypocrisy, localized retribalizations, GameB as a series of membranes, and much more.

Jim talks with Joe Edelman about the ideas in the Meaning Alignment Institute's recent paper "Full Stack Alignment: Co-Aligning AI and Institutions with Thick Models of Value." They discuss pluralism as a core principle in designing social systems, the informational basis for alignment, how preferential models fail to capture what people truly care about, the limitations of markets and voting as preference-based systems, critiques of text-based approaches in LLMs, thick models of value, values as attentional policies, AI assistants as potential vectors for manipulation, the need for reputation systems and factual grounding, the "super negotiator" project for better contract negotiation, multipolar traps, moral graph elicitation, starting with membranes, Moloch-free zones, unintended consequences and lessons from early Internet optimism, concentration of power as a key danger, co-optation risks, and much more.

Jim talks with John Preston about his book 40 Flushes to Grow Your Business: The World's #2 Business Series, which is designed to be read during bathroom breaks. They discuss breaking free from being a one-person show, hiring self-guided employees, the importance of business owner support networks, clarity on business goals & personal objectives, the five-gear growth machine business metrics model, marketing fundamentals & investment levels, understanding the customer journey, social media pitfalls, customer inquiry response strategies, complaint management, CEO time management & delegation, working capital needs, lifestyle creep, measuring business metrics, gross profit vs net profit, building high-trust company cultures, transparency with employees, marketing strategies & customer acquisition, hiring & retention strategies, and much more.

Jim talks with Pablos Holman about the ideas in his new book Deep Future: Creating Technology That Matters. They discuss deep tech versus shallow tech, computational modeling and simulation for real-world problems, the hacker mindset, the role of inventors, nuclear power and renewable energy solutions, population growth, development challenges, space-based solar power, the likelihood of fusion power, mistakes in German energy policy, energy storage limitations, the transformation of the apparel industry through automation, and much more.

Jim talks with Brendan Graham Dempsey about the ideas in his book Psyche and Symbolic Learning, volume 2 in his Evolution of Meaning series. We discussed hierarchical complexity, stage theories of development, constructivism & realism, dynamic skill theory, the Lectical Scale, ego development & consciousness, meaning systems & worldviews, cross-cultural developmental patterns, statistical distributions of developmental stages, the relationship between semantic richness & structural complexity, justification systems theory & cultural evolution, & much more.

Jim talks with James Fadiman and Jordan Gruber about the findings in their recent book Microdosing for Health, Healing, and Enhanced Performance. They discuss the definition of microdosing, "subthreshold" vs "subperceptual," typical doses, current usage statistics & demographics, its legal status & classification history, LSD, psilocybin, why cannabis isn't suitable for microdosing, mechanisms of action, dosing protocols, anti-inflammatory effects, health applications, enhancement applications, contraindications & side effects, research methodologies & limitations, commercial potential, global adoption patterns, and much more.

Jim talks with David Shapiro about how to use AI language models as research and writing tools. They discuss post-labor economics, the evolution of AI tools from GPT-2 through GPT-4, using AI as a learning companion vs. relying on it completely, David's AI tool stack, exploring new domains, using NotebookLM for document management & searching, AI writing and editing techniques, critique and perspectives through personas, the rapid adoption of AI tools across industries, understanding limitations, challenges for AI startups, and much more.

Jim talks with Lawrence Cahoone about his book The Orders of Nature and his systematic approach to naturalist philosophy. They discuss fallibilist & local metaphysics, objective relativism, the rejection of simples, Jim's materialism which grants emergence first-class existence, Wimsatt's notion of emergence & nonaggregativity, downward causation & pruning rules, natural complexes, Aristotle's four causes & the use of purpose in biology, the distinction between teleonomy & teleology, the five orders of nature (physical, material, biological, psychological & cultural), characteristic time scales in emergence theory, why particular disciplines coevolved in intellectual traditions, Erik Hoel's theory about emergence having the highest causal power, natural religion & the fine-tuned constants of the universe, the choice between multiverse explanations & a single ground of nature, Darwin's views on divine purpose, comparisons to deists like Spinoza & Einstein, and much more.

Jim talks with Adam B. Levine about humanity's rapidly changing relationship with AI and "thinking on demand." They discuss the GPT-5 release & pricing, open-source AI models, the three-dimensional framework of AI advancement (models & hardware & agent frameworks), the evolution of vibe coding, development tools, agent-based development, AI implementation strategies with humans in the loop, the Midnight Protocol project, Vendor Relationship Management versus CRM, automated negotiation systems, the trillion-dollar opportunity in improving the infosphere, enshittification risks, local AI processing on personal devices, the future of AI agents as personal representatives, and much more.

Jim talks with David Shapiro about his six-part series on "post-labor economics." They discuss historical economic transitions, the logic of labor substitution, automation & AI's  impacts on employment, the four basic human economic offerings (strength, dexterity, cognition & empathy), labor as a societal pillar, the pyramid of prosperity (universal basic services, collectively owned public & private assets, conventional private assets, & residual wages), the pyramid of power (immutable civic bedrock, freedom to transact, radical transparency, direct programmable democracy, & forkable constitutional meta-governance), blockchain & cryptocurrency, radical financial transparency, liquid democracy, governance innovation, and much more.

Jim talks with Ken Stanley about the Fractured Entanglement Representation hypothesis in deep learning neural networks. They discuss open-endedness in AI systems & evolution, the Picbreeder experiment & its significance, the objective paradox of finding things by not looking for them, comparisons between Picbreeder & SGD networks, visual differences in internal representations, weight sweep experiments, modular vs tangled decomposition, implications for creativity & continual learning & generalization abilities, Unified Factored Representation as an alternative to FER, the relationship to grokking in neural networks, scaling considerations & evidence in larger models, potential methods to achieve UFR, connections to biological evolution and DNA representation, and much more.

Jim talks with Ed Latimore about his new book Hard Lessons from the Hurt Business: Boxing and the Art of Life. They discuss Ed's chess playing & street hustling, size differences in modern heavyweight boxing, growing up in Pittsburgh's Hill District, childhood trauma & violence, relationships with his single mother & absent father, middle school & gifted programs, the cocaine prank incident, his high school football career, academic struggles, attending University of Rochester, spending his father's life insurance money, his boxing career, the All American Heavyweights program, alcohol abuse, sobriety, Olympic trials, military service, a degree in physics, his current life as an author & speaker, and much more.

Jim talks with Zak Stein and Marc Gafni about consciousness, attention, and value as fundamental aspects of reality. They explore continuity & discontinuity in evolution, phenomenology & naturalism, emergence, value theory, selection theory, mathematics as both discovered & created, pre-life organic chemistry, sexual selection & evolutionary dynamics, attraction/allurement across different emergent layers, evolving value, first principles & first values, the intimacy equation concept, desire as disclosing value, consciousness in animals vs simpler systems, machine consciousness, group selection theory, the evolution of complexity, the role of contingency & necessity, religious & materialist perspectives on value, and much more.

Jim talks with Chris Colin about his recent Atlantic article "That Dropped Call with Customer Service? It Was on Purpose." They discuss customer service hell & Chris's personal story with Ford, the concept of sludge, intentional friction in customer service systems, call center operations & tactics, high-quality customer service approaches, the impact of short-term CEO tenures on service quality, the Biden administration's attempts to address bureaucratic time tax, political implications of poor government services, administrative burden, coping mechanisms, consumer action possibilities, the psychological toll of dealing with poor service, Cory Doctorow's concept of "enshittification," responses to Chris's article, and much more.

Jim talks with Lee Cronin about Chemify, his startup that aims to automate chemistry through "chemifarms" that turn code into molecules. They discuss the development of the ChemChi programming language & its evolution to Turing completeness, quantum vs classical chemistry computation, open source tools & academic access, robotics & automation in chemistry, catalyst discovery & optimization, integration with tools like AlphaFold, business models & venture capital funding, supply chain implications & distributed manufacturing, personalized medicine possibilities, and much more.

Jim talks with Nicholas Humphrey about the ideas in his 2023 book Sentience: The Invention of Consciousness. They discuss the distinction between sentience & consciousness, access consciousness vs phenomenal consciousness, terminology in consciousness studies, ring-fencing theories, Nicholas's early experiments with phosphenes, the discovery of blindsight in monkeys, his relationship with Helen the monkey, color preferences in monkeys, sensation vs perception, realism vs illusionism, consciousness as art, the concept of "ipsundrum," the evolution of consciousness as "all or nothing," the Fermi paradox & the uniqueness of consciousness, qualophilia, consciousness in birds & mammals, theory of mind in different species, and much more.

Jim talks with Samo Burja about his report on the defense startup Anduril's plan to modernize the U.S. military. They discuss "live players vs. dead players," AI adoption & cognitive tools, Anduril's background & naming origin, military technology modernization, software-defined conflicts, autonomous & software-enabled weapons, sensor deployment & data collection, the Lattice software platform, hardware offerings including drone & underwater vehicle acquisitions, surface naval warfare obsolescence, military industrial capacity, US vs. China manufacturing capabilities, personnel-to-weapon system ratios, drone production scale, cost considerations, defense industry ecosystem, traditional contractors, friend-shoring possibilities, NATO+ industrial capacity, component manufacturing, future warfare implications, training advantages of digital systems, scale of drone warfare, AI capabilities gaps between nations, industrial advantages in military competition, and much more.

Jim talks with Richard David Hames, picking up from the ideas in his recent Facebook essay about the decline of Western civilization. They discuss the retreat from truth in politics & institutions, postmodernism's impact on rationality, China's governance model, the failure of democratic institutions, wealth inequality & social stratification, the liberation of women as our era's defining achievement, climate change denial, the futility of modern warfare, AI's disruptive potential, the loss of character & virtue in leadership, living in a liminal period between worlds, and much more.

Jim talks with David Chapman about rethinking nobility for the modern age through his recent "nobility tetralogy" of essays. They discuss character & virtue as "risible" concepts, noblesse oblige & elite education, nobility as intention vs status, "The Battle of Maldon" poem & its lessons, postmodernism & postmodernity, the failure of elite universities, effective altruism & Sam Bankman-Fried, Elon Musk & hubris, meritocracy & institutional change, Nietzsche's master-slave morality, Tolkien's models of nobility, Vajrayana Buddhism's life-affirming approach, software engineers eating the world, meta-rationality & the tech industry, new institutions, visions for a more playful & connected future, and much more.

Jim talks with Thomas Schindler about heliogenic civilization as a vision for a regenerative future. They discuss the current multipolar trap shitshow of global civilization, M3 money supply & GDP growth requirements, the doubling of energy demand, exit to planet as an alternative to traditional business exits, biomimicry & biological approaches to manufacturing, solar energy as a fusion reactor, nature's material production vs human industrial production, construction systems using earth blocks & natural materials, bioregional self-sufficiency, feminine scaling vs traditional growth models, the Oslo Project as an inverse Manhattan Project, deep ecology & Arne Næss's philosophy, governance structures, education systems as symptoms of industry, coordination among farmers in Kenya, project governance & preventing OpenAI syndrome, Bernard Lietaer's alternative currency experiment, biological computing possibilities, solar energy & hydrogen electrolysis, ocean floor mining & environmental impacts, copper vs aluminum for electrical transmission, material constraints on renewable energy transition, and much more.

Jim talks with Anders Indset about his book The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, co-authored with Florian Neutkart. They discuss the "final narcissistic injury of humankind," Freud's three historical narcissistic injuries, machine consciousness vs human consciousness, the "undead" state, human cognitive limitations, game theory dynamics & multipolar traps, Artificial Human Intelligence vs AGI/ASI approaches, consciousness preservation, chess AI & human cognition, coevolutionary dynamics between AHI & AGI/ASI, "playing to win" vs "playing to become," organizational design for anticipatory leadership, trust & friction as progress drivers, the three pillars of forging & investment & efficiency, reactive vs reflective societies, technical hygiene, "zombie apocalypse" scenarios, the role of agency, questions of identity & authenticity in an AI world, and much more.

Jim talks with J. Doyne Farmer about his book Making Sense of Chaos: A Better Economics for a Better World. They discuss deterministic chaos & strange attractors, how chaos makes time possible, bounded rationality, economic equilibrium & Nash equilibrium, traditional economics' failures, standard economic theory basics, "as if" vs "as is" approaches, heterogeneity in economic systems, agent-based modeling & its critiques, the "metabolism of civilization" analogy, financial markets as an ecology of strategies, the Prediction Company experience, climate economics, weather forecasting as an analogy for economic forecasting, energy investment modeling, technology cost curves & climate change solutions, the vision of a "conscious civilization," and much more.

Jim talks with Samuel Arbesman about the ideas in his book The Magic of Code: How Digital Language Created and Connects Our World—and Shapes Our Future. They discuss Sam's motivation for writing the book, the wondering vs. utilitarian stances toward computing, early personal computing experiences, scale in programming, AI as a "hinge of history" moment, the democratization of code through AI tools, the dual nature of code as text & action, analogies between code & magic/mysticism, HyperCard as an early programming tool, the evolution of web development & protocols, layers of abstraction in computing, code golf, imperative vs. functional languages, recursion in programming, tools for thought & note-taking software, numeric modeling & world simulation, agent-based modeling & artificial life, the simulation hypothesis, research into "glitches in the matrix," and much more.

Jim talks with Mark Stahlman about the new Pope Leo XIV and the Catholic Church's evolving role in a digital age. They discuss Trump as an avatar of the digital paradigm shift, the significance of Leo XIV's name choice, Francis as a thug, Francis's background as chemical engineer and bouncer, Synodality & Church decentralization, the exterior vs interior personas of Pope Francis, Leo XIII's 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum, the three pillars of Catholic social teaching, financial system reforms and new settlement currencies, the role of Dubai in blockchain/crypto development, multipolar traps & solidarity, generational changes & media consumption, the growth of Catholicism in France despite overall European decline, the Catholic Church's diplomatic efforts and interfaith outreach, the future of global systems, and much more.

Jim talks with Daniel Mezick on the theme of games and their relationship to governance. They discuss Jane McGonigal's four properties of games, the nature of authority, position-based vs role-based authority, formal vs. informal authority structures, finite & infinite games, mutable games, the paradox of self-amendment, the U.S. Constitution as a game, progress tracking in governance systems, roles, artifacts, rules, events, Constitutional reforms, problems with a two-party system, unintended consequences in rule design, game theory & system design, gaming virtue, and much more.

Jim talks with Zak Stein about the psychological & developmental risks of AI in K-12 education. They discuss education vs schooling, technology's role in human-to-human interaction, GPS & skill atrophy, prosthetic vs enhancement technologies, multipolar traps in AI, cognitive diminishment & skill development, teacherly authority, attention as a constrained resource, attention as a service, parasocial attachment, risks of anthropomorphizing AI, object relations theory, bad parenting & AI parenting, Daniel Dennett's proposal about criminalizing misrepresentation, design principles for responsible AI in education, non-anthropomorphic design, age limits, neurological safety, fiduciary security, the transhumanist ideology behind AI development, the need for better cultural & legal frameworks, and much more.

Jim talks with Daniel Rodriguez about the state of AI software development and its implementation in industry. They discuss Daniel's background at Microsoft & Anaconda, transformer-based technologies, software engineering as hard vs soft science, vibe coding, barriers to entry in software engineering, cognitive styles needed for programming, Daniel's history with LLMs, unit testing & test-driven development with AI, social aspects of AI adoption, quality concerns & technical debt, style consistency & aesthetics, approaches to steering LLMs through roles & personas, philosophical perspectives on LLM consciousness & intelligence, personification & interaction styles, memory & conversation history in models, agent-based systems & their historical origins, the future of agent frameworks, customer/user interaction within agent ecosystems, distributed systems, future predictions about inference costs & protocols, IDEs & linting tools, and much more.

Jim talks with Ryan Blosser about the ideas in his book Mulberries in the Rain: Growing Permaculture Plants for Food and Friendship, co-authored with Trevor Piersol. They discuss the motivation behind writing a permaculture book, the human sector in permaculture design, financial challenges of permaculture farming, 8 forms of capital, food forest design principles, plant guild functions & relationships, persimmons, hunting stories, willows, redbuds, bourbon, black locust properties, rhubarb as a barrier plant, spring bulbs, garlic, Hawaiian adventures, the benefits of tulsi, growing cannabis, uses of comfrey, beets for deer plots, burdock as medicine, community, climate considerations, water management, soil fertility, aesthetics in design, and much more.

Jim talks with Adam Lake about Reboot America, a project aimed at reforming American democracy. They discuss existential threats facing humanity, the two-party corporate duopoly, a Princeton study on policy preferences, first-past-the-post voting problems, campaign finance issues, social media's role in polarization, wealth & income inequality, Bernie Sanders's Fight Oligarchy tour, the Democratic Party's cultural baggage, Trump country perspectives, courage in leadership, how the quality of leadership has changed over time, the "politician's pledge" & its six points, ranked-choice voting, proportional representation systems, liquid democracy, the People's Agenda concept, lessons from the Emancipation Party & GameB, and much more.

Jim talks with Sara Walker about the ideas in her new book Life as No One Knows It: The Physics of Life's Emergence. They discuss Sara's path from theoretical physics to astrobiology, the biggest scientific questions, philosophy of science & theory development, historical approaches to origin of life research, Schrödinger's negative entropy concept, Prigogine's dissipative systems, information as a causal force at life's origin, emergence as a scientific concept, constructor theory of information, Assembly Theory as a framework for detecting life, assembly index & copy number as measurable properties, complexity vs randomness, the physical nature of time in complex systems, how Assembly Theory redefines life beyond Earth-centric definitions, planetary-scale perspectives on life's origins, measurements of exoplanet atmospheres, addressing the error catastrophe problem, Sara's collaboration with Lee Cronin, the application of Assembly Theory to minerals & planetary atmospheres, the Fermi Paradox & observational horizons, constraints on Drake equation parameters, and much more.