PODCAST · music
The Musician's Loupe
by Elaine Chao and Trist Curless
A discussion about music and musicianship by Trist Curless (jazz singer, educator, sound engineer, and recording engineer, formerly of m-pact and The Manhattan Transfer) and Elaine Chao, M.Ed (multi-instrumentalist, vocalist, beatboxer, singer-songwriter, author, and former educator). Each week, we listen to a song together and discuss the music we love through the lens of decades in the music industry. Topics include analysis of songwriting, chord progression, instrumentation, recording technology, and arrangement.
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Tragedy, cover songs, and a surprising tagline: I Can’t Make You Love Me (George Michael)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/2_lpN31PmD8Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/3dQVWKuUMjxtuyflV4tzHV?si=9cded47836ed433c (may not having ending)Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/i-cant-make-you-love-me-studio-version/429945624 (may not have ending)Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B011QPB5MO?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_q2daXareM97Nqr2K4FngIftPl&trackAsin=B011QPCN5WOther linksPlaylist of the songs we’ve reviewedYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5bn23baJ4xQ1t0TMqukELY5W95HwuMoTSpotify - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7gCOF5M0zYS1fBvXgT5ccI?si=7F3yVdEDRRWa_gAArK3AYgApple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/songs-reviewed-on-the-musicians-loupe/pl.u-V9D7maah06JNoAmazon Music - https://music.amazon.com/user-playlists/3b47be4937b7490982f4a872db32ec8dsune?ref=dm_sh_AEFZY8KhvSsz1TGoRmasg6zHZKey takeawaysTrist and Elaine compare and contrast George Michael’s cover of “I Can’t Make You Love Me,” the classic Bonnie Raitt hit, covering the differences between the vocal delivery and instrumentationElaine and Trist dig into the mystery of the surprising tag that George Michael added to the end of his version, which takes a tragic song and gives a surprising twist of hope on itIn the mailbag portion of the segment, Trist and Elaine discuss the importance of music in schools, especially at the elementary school level, in shaping lifelong musical engagement, both as creators and as consumersAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer
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A healthy relationship, an unexpected child, and forever: Breathless (CPR)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5roGAz789g Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/1tBuk5BcGKtR9hFK2iAZoB?si=4f8a9d44101545f1 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/breathless/1501438604 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DZV354MB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_A1SGcs4DfJEKxgvoovZCmjUhk&trackAsin=B0DZV2NM9Z Other linksPlaylist of the songs we’ve reviewedYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5bn23baJ4xQ1t0TMqukELY5W95HwuMoT Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7gCOF5M0zYS1fBvXgT5ccI?si=7F3yVdEDRRWa_gAArK3AYg Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/songs-reviewed-on-the-musicians-loupe/pl.u-V9D7maah06JNoAmazon Music - https://music.amazon.com/user-playlists/3b47be4937b7490982f4a872db32ec8dsune?ref=dm_sh_AEFZY8KhvSsz1TGoRmasg6zHZ Straight No ChaserKey takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss CPR’s song, “Breathless,” detailing the intricate harmonies, unexpected chord changes, and the interplay between acoustic and electric instrumentation, emphasizing the song's artistic depth and emotional resonance in this father-son collaboration between David Crosby and a son he discovered late in lifeElaine and Trist analyze the lyrics of "Breathless," focusing on its use of repetition, descriptive imagery, and the metaphorical portrayal of a supportive and joyful relationshipTrist and Elaine discuss how the music industry has shifted over the past 15–20 years, with artists now able to record and distribute music independently, reducing reliance on traditional record labelsAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Rhythmic surprises, key changes, and classic movies: Lasso the Moon (Level 42)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/41i9_-RXngg Other linksClip from It’s A Wonderful Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAERYfeiYBc The Number 42 (The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy) Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)#The_Hitchhiker.27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy Playlist of the songs we’ve reviewedYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5bn23baJ4xQ1t0TMqukELY5W95HwuMoT Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7gCOF5M0zYS1fBvXgT5ccI?si=7F3yVdEDRRWa_gAArK3AYg Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/songs-reviewed-on-the-musicians-loupe/pl.u-V9D7maah06JNoAmazon Music - https://music.amazon.com/user-playlists/3b47be4937b7490982f4a872db32ec8dsune?ref=dm_sh_AEFZY8KhvSsz1TGoRmasg6zHZ Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine dive into UK band Level 42’s “Lasso the Moon” from the 1991 Album “Guaranteed,” covering the song’s unusual chord changes and additional beats, which add rhythmic complexity and surprise to the compositionElaine and Trist praise the lyrics for their vivid imagery and poetic artistry, painting a detailed picture of a woman’s longing and emotional journey, with references to a scene from the classic movie It’s A Wonderful Life.In the Mailbag section, Trist and Elaine explore how perfectionism can hinder creativity, emphasizing the importance of letting go during the initial creation phase and focusing on iteration and editing to refine the final productAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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BONUS: The value of analog creation in a digital world
This special bonus episode is the full discussion in response to a Mailbag quote about AI in music, which turned into a deeper conversation about analog creation, live music, and community.Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine dig into the growing presence of AI in music production and its potential to create "perfect" music. They point out that AI lacks the emotional depth, innovation, and human connection that make music truly meaningful, and encourage musicians to continue creating, as human artistry and imperfection are irreplaceable.Elaine and Trist explore the unique experience of live music, emphasizing its ability to foster community and emotional connection. They discuss how live performances, whether by orchestras, street musicians, or bands, offer a sense of shared humanity that cannot be replicated by digital or AI-generated musicThis mailbag segment delves into the significance of individual interpretation in music, particularly in classical and piano performances. Trist and Elaine compare the nuances of human interpretation to the uniformity of AI-generated music, underscoring the value of personal craftsmanship and the emotional resonance it brings to the art formAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Traditional Cuban music, the State Department, and a party trick: Montuno Sampling (Vocal Sampling)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz-5NDMYcrESpotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/7aVCFiwe5TipJ6tToCvIWl?si=7bef5111b9724a73Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/montuno-sampling/1290453682Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B075ZQDWXY?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_rJMToaKnfUs5sq7C4vPAqkLeA&trackAsin=B075ZPWNYYOther linksPlaylist of the songs we’ve reviewedYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5bn23baJ4xQ1t0TMqukELY5W95HwuMoTSpotify - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7gCOF5M0zYS1fBvXgT5ccI?si=7F3yVdEDRRWa_gAArK3AYgKey takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss “Montuno Sampling,” a 1995 track from Cuban a cappella group Vocal Sampling. This group mimics Latin percussion instruments using only their voices, creating an authentic and rhythmic sound that mirrors traditional Cuban music styles like "son" and salsaElaine and Trist dig into the vocal blend and rhythmic patterns, which reflect Vocal Sampling’s deep connection to Cuban musical heritage, showcasing the tonal and rhythmic nuances of Latin music that are distinct from North American traditionsIn the Mailbag segment, Trist and Elaine dig into the rise of AI in the music industry, emphasizing the importance of human creativity and emotional connection in music-making, which cannot be replicated by algorithmsNote: this episode also has a special bonus episode, which has the full Mailbag segment for those who are interested in the deeper conversation about our relationship to technology and how technology changes how we value analog experiencesAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Tempo changes, grief, and a bass trombone: When You Were Lovin’ Me (Neil Sedaka)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/Gjsr6Siv41c Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/6OuUISbNW1tLkDCilb6OSX?si=f5f8facb463f4444 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/when-you-were-lovin-me/1838780486 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0FQFWKL3F?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_DJ7aVn46RvgzAdUL8H5LMNxI6&trackAsin=B0FQFBDSL5 Other linksEric Benét - “True to Myself” versionshttps://youtu.be/IwtVWu59Yn4https://youtu.be/ieQx7VL3bNghttps://youtu.be/rsn78b843DA Key takeawaysIn this episode, Trist and Elaine dive into Neil Sedaka’s “When You Were Lovin’ Me,” which features distinct tempo and feel changes, transitioning between nostalgic blues-inspired sections and upbeat gospel-like segments, creating a dynamic storytelling experienceElaine and Trist further explore the deep sense of grief and wistfulness in the lyrics, highlighting themes of longing, loss, and the emotional juxtaposition of celebrating happy memories while grieving their absenceIn the mailbag section, Trist and Elaine discuss the creative value of artists releasing alternate versions of their songs, citing examples like Neil Sedaka and Mariah Carey, and emphasizing the artistic reinvention that can bring new life to familiar tracksAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Anguish, loss, and a class ring: She’s Got You (Patsy Cline)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/6ck__iCtc-8 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/5IQPBVTvQ4mfdkzs0GFEZ6?si=2f866ddf86394a66 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/ca/song/shes-got-you/1443840404 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B07L6C8HX4?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_67xRkpxxKOMh1xxmkCOiFGwwx&trackAsin=B07L6B9462 Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss Patsy Cline's distinctive voice, characterized by its clear, mature tone and emotional depth, which made her an ideal choice for songs like "She's Got You." They highlight how her voice conveys pain and anguish, making her storytelling relatable and heartfeltElaine and Trist analyze the song's lyrics, focusing on the tangible objects mentioned: a signed picture, shared records, and a class ring, that symbolize the protagonist's memories of a lost love. They emphasize the emotional weight of the refrain, "But she's got you," which encapsulates the song's theme of heartbreak and longingTrist and Elaine dig into the difficulties artists face in promoting their work, including feelings of discomfort, fear of being annoying, and the exhaustion of managing personal branding and marketing strategies in a competitive digital landscapeAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Dissonance, structure, and a personal reinvention: symptom of life (Willow)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8txXdr4kkqQSpotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/70nmpLYSyZ58QTUzUiB1VA?si=9f0f8e7f007c4f6cApple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/symptom-of-life/1737442321Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0CYTK33WX?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_yfvgQ0eYvSPgxaqRb9eqS7AIe&trackAsin=B0CYTKXWL6Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine review Willow’s 2024 single, “symptom of life,” describing it as "delightfully chaotic" yet surprisingly structured. They explore its use of changing meter, rhythmic complexity, and contrasting vocal textures, including untreated main vocals and lush, stacked harmoniesElaine and Trist highlight the poetic depth of the song's lyrics, which explore themes like transcendence, transformation, healing, the fragility of life, and the tension between mundane and transcendent experiences In the Mailbag segment, Trist and Elaine discuss the importance of singers viewing themselves as musicians and learning to speak the language of music. They discuss how understanding musical concepts, such as sight-reading and harmony, can open doors to more opportunities in the music industryAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Memories, mid-tempos, and Friday nights: Reminiscing (Little River Band)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/hyRbhTUc6aI Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/6qXFNKuKBD6DQljVKrLzsl?si=ebf0e898f6f84eb0 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/reminiscing/1645806384 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0BFPKLH4B?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_c3v27s32uwmhUmya7imRWCUSg&trackAsin=B0BFPWJ2Z5 Other linksRecordando (Reminiscing, Spanish language version): youtube.com/watch?v=xdU3wgKL1Gw&feature=youtu.be The Holderness Family - https://theholdernessfamily.com/Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine explore the musical elements of the 1978 hit “Reminiscing,” but Little River Band, highlighting its lush strings, flugelhorn solo, and use of 7-9 chords, which evoke a classic 70s sound. They also discuss its unique tempo and blend of ballad and danceable qualitiesElaine and Trist also delve into the song's lyrics, emphasizing its nostalgic theme and the clever use of tense shifts that reflect the narrator's desire to create lasting memories for future reflectionIn the Mailbag segment, Trist and Elaine discuss how the accessibility of music production and distribution platforms has reduced barriers to entry, allowing musicians of all ages to share their art and build followings, regardless of traditional industry biasesAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Vocalese, a carrot garden, and a very naughty rabbit: Cottontail (Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/r55laPFEY0k Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/0lif2WoJ1LOQWmmJ1JV9gY?si=599443ee63cb4524 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/cottontail/170501696 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B00138H29K?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_O64dpDZHgJ98zsvP8EC2LNl4X&trackAsin=B00137VE90 Other linksDuke Ellington’s Cotton TailKey takeawaysTrist and Elaine dive into the unique style of vocalese, where lyrics are added to instrumental melodies and solos, highlighting the legendary contributions of Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross, particularly their rendition of Duke Ellington's "Cottontail”Elaine and Trist discuss how varying tempos in different versions of "Cottontail" influence the song's energy, mood, and storytelling, emphasizing the relationship between tempo and audience perceptionIn the Mailbag segment, the hosts highlight the similarities between individual and team-based activities in music and sports, emphasizing the role of community and support structures in both fieldsAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Latin rhythms, song structure, and a superstition - An Olive Tree (Basia)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAgbvUL8Ap4 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/3CiONr7T1221WXvNDCS4jh?si=1dea603406ec4a40 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/be/song/an-olive-tree/457233483 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B00138H6BO?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_MWTDQIz8Ts7CyqmMuiQGflwhR&trackAsin=B00138EFVS Other linksTED Radio Hour interview with David Byrne - https://www.npr.org/transcripts/894686165 Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss Basia’s jazz-pop sound, her use of Latin-inspired rhythms, and the influence of language in her song “An Olive Tree.”The song’s unconventional structure, featuring distinct movements and varied rhythms, challenges traditional expectations of musical composition and highlights the flexibility of musicIn the Mailbag segment, Elaine and Trist explore how physical spaces, such as churches, jazz clubs, and concert halls, shape the type of music created and performed, citing examples like Gregorian chants and jazz ensemblesAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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New wave, gospel, and loud hotel gossip: Badman’s Song (Tears for Fears)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FRHjqY-WI Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/10QGEFiAS7ANZ8jLqEkKOE?si=0de83e5028dd4698 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/bad-mans-song/1527555433 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B08FTDNVPY?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_EkGTvVs5mPjm77WaMZQwNFsl6&trackAsin=B08FTDCT55 Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss the unique stylistic departure of "Badman's Song" from Tears for Fears' typical new wave sound, highlighting its jazz, blues, and gospel influences, as well as its multi-movement structure reminiscent of classical musicElaine and Trist analyze the song's lyrics, focusing on themes of sinfulness, redemption, and self-reflection, with references to church language and personal experiences, and the lyrics’ relationship to the gospel feel and Oleta Adams’ inclusion as a guest artistTrist and Elaine dig into the topic live performance versus practicing alone, emphasizing the unique lessons learned on stage that cannot be replicated in a practice setting, while also acknowledging the importance of preparation and discipline during solo practiceAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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The blues, collaborative duets, and a harmonica solo: Everyday (I Have the Blues) (Tony Bennett)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ethfkbryt0 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/0djVp1dfkHrq6dxnFkjgMi?si=ebab0df0719945fa Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/everyday-i-have-the-blues-with-stevie-wonder/572652905 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B00A70V8TU?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_7ocbabTtLIkc6aWbBg6IMQ8WB&trackAsin=B00A70V9OO Other linksHoward Levy on the harmonica - https://youtu.be/9gQgjHTNkmk Interview with Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E88BMN96hJQ Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine highlight Stevie Wonder’s soaring harmonica solo in the song, emphasizing his effortless mastery of the instrument and the harmonica’s unique role in blues musicElaine and Trist talk about Tony Bennett’s career, which spanned decades, and how duets and MTV Unplugged helped him expand his reach into broader audiences over the yearsIn the Mailbag segment, Trist and Elaine discuss how record stores serve as vital third spaces for fostering community and connecting music enthusiasts, despite the challenges posed by online marketplacesAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Solo voice, multiple registers, and live performance: Blackbird (Bobby McFerrin)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8uzMFb74M Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/5bNoizZe6YhwPXGt0mu7fX?si=22a02fc363a44d9e Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/nz/song/blackbird/41228105 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0011ZYCU2?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_5PzlbJJBi2oR2UNWbHSRu4VZo&trackAsin=B0011ZP7H4 Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss Bobby McFerrin’s live solo vocal album through the lens of “Blackbird,” a Beatles cover. In the piece, McFerrin uses techniques like switching between vocal registers and singing while breathing in, which showcases his exceptional precision and intonationElaine and Trist also emphasize the magic of McFerrin's live performances, where his playful sounds, such as bird flapping noises and whistling, elicit delighted reactions from the audienceIn the Mailbag segment, Elaine and Trist talk about both classic and modern ways to get more exposure for a new act, including opening for similar bands, collaborating with local businesses, and networking at music workshops, camps, and conferencesAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Chord progressions, jazz rhythms, and a call for community: The Baker’s Daughter (Laila Biali)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCOWHFugLhc Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/6axEByVcWO1rGvJ8wbG2Fy?si=832914b3dd424062 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/au/song/the-bakers-daughter/1502087315 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B085NW7BRC?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_EYeB2kM01aUtFssDMJz3YWKlw&trackAsin=B085NWGRXL Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss Laila Biali’s “The Baker’s Daughter,” which Biali had initially composed as an instrumental piece during her college years and later added lyricsThe podcast highlights the song's structure, rhythm, lyrics, mix, and the subtle use of brass and doubled vocals in creating the lush jazz soundIn the Mailbag portion, Trist and Elaine discuss the importance of consuming media and engaging in activities with intention rather than by defaultAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Brass, dissonance, and pedal tones: Overture (Björk)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w6apA_LbOE Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/1cgesvTA9wgm2x6a6AEjnn?si=03d52c468f934754 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/overture/313221988 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0027OQ2ZY?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_JV1c672eQzcyAHeWfT24LjGtR&trackAsin=B0027OQ3AI Other links“New World” by BjörkYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZt8eic_KNw Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/6tgLIvZaal11lbuSXv48BD?si=3d0ba049609f4695 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/new-world/313222042 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0027OQ2ZY?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_TH5hZ5UARlYNOpFbIQiGCRM3g&trackAsin=B0027OM5ZK “The Carnival of Venice” with Wynton Marsalis - https://youtu.be/q0V4qPEK8jQ Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss “Overture,” a movie soundtrack composed by Björk, focusing on the arrangement and textural choices she made in this all-brass arrangementThis episode delves into how Björk’s "Overture" uses repeated themes, pedal tones, and layering to build and resolve tension, creating a captivating listening experienceIn the Mailbag segment, Trist and Elaine discuss the concept of setting a personal limit on recording takes, balancing perfectionism with practicality, and how technology has changed the approach to music productionAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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South African harmonies, bilingual songwriting, and hailing a taxi: Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes (Paul Simon)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXe2HzFOJYQ Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/71GvlH0VdeClloLIkHrAVu?si=86a85fa9cc56478c Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/diamonds-on-the-soles-of-her-shoes/529574619 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0085LMFAE?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_InQKPS94PVgshxXsoqYCrDrci&trackAsin=B0085LMI9W Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss “Diamonds in the Soles of Her Shoes” by Paul Simon in collaboration with the South African vocal group Ladysmith Black Mambazo. This song showcases the rich musical traditions of South Africa and addresses themes of class disparity and cultural integration during the apartheid eraThe lyrics of the song incorporate South African cultural elements, such as the "sign of a teaspoon" and "sign of a wave," which reference specific taxi signals in South Africa, adding depth and context to the narrativeIn the Mailbag portion, Trist and Elaine explore the idea that musical ability is not solely dependent on innate talent but can be cultivated through dedication and practice, emphasizing that anyone can achieve a decent level of musical proficiency with effortAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Simplicity, storytelling, and a breakup averted: Never on the Day You Leave (John Mayer)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1d5c1fVxSA Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/3TQbr3G3U5wlwEJejmqC1F Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/never-on-the-day-you-leave/1224353385 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B06Y3HV2N3?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_gArDR5BzTxFt1Suiqwo03YUHf&trackAsin=B06Y3R6LPH Other links“Further Notes on Scenius,” May 2017, Austin Kleon, quoting Brian Eno on the term “Scenius”Key takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss the storytelling and lyrical depth of John Mayer’s song “Never on the Day You Leave,” highlighting its emotional journey and impactful outroThe song's minimalistic instrumentation, including acoustic and clean electric elements, creates a sense of intimacy and supports the poignant lyrics, emphasizing the emotional weight of the narrativeIn the mailbag segment, Elaine and Trist emphasize the critical role of local music venues and audiences in fostering emerging artists and creating a thriving music communityAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Hocket, pocket, and a surprise brass breakdown: Workin' Day and Night (Michael Jackson)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnyCxva6bA Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/6BdiFsPMPkSEEO4fFXFVWX Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/workin-day-and-night/186166410 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B00138KJY0?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_n0DKAlMsv9XvZL5bSVgX5cY0z&trackAsin=B00137QO0O Other linksHocket in horns breakdownJackson family demo of Workin’ Day and NightHorns in the NY subway station (Lucky Chops)Key takeawaysIn this episode, Trist and Elaine explore how Michael Jackson incorporates the ancient musical technique of hocket, originating from 13th-14th century choral music, into his song "Workin' Day and Night," creating a seamless melody from alternating instrumental partsThe discussion highlights the rich, human elements of the "Off the Wall" album, including live brass sections, hand drums, and vocal percussive sounds, contrasting it with later albums that relied more heavily on synthesizers and programmed soundsElaine and Trist discuss how musicians with corporate jobs can play a vital role in the music industry by using their income to fund projects, pay fellow musicians, and sustain their passion for music while maintaining financial stabilityAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Vocal jazz, doo-wop, and a little melodica: In the Still of the Night (I’ll Remember) (Johnny Mathis)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://youtu.be/Hr1M6wWBei0?si=ygI48sWUK1WvFumB Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/20DUr5qMlguUSIeVsquajt?si=90324010b59a4cc7 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/in-the-still-of-the-night-ill-remember/270027184 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B00138JBLM?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_nzxPmWqf3yYHOkPUPqfx65MuE&trackAsin=B001389W7A Other linksTake 6The Five SatinsThe BobsThe PersuasionsVulfpeckKey takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss Johnny Mathis' rendition of "In the Still of the Night (I'll Remember)" with Take 6, highlighting the unique arrangement and the contrast between Mathis' wide vibrato and Take 6's tight, straight-toned jazz harmoniesThe hosts analyze the distinct features of Take 6's arrangement, including close vocal harmonies, walking bass lines, syncopated backgrounds, subtle jazz chord tensions, and the use of vocal techniques to mimic instrumental soundsIn the mailbag portion, Trist and Elaine discuss different approaches to merchandise, such as limited runs, and how these strategies can help artists create a sense of exclusiveness and urgency to purchase. They also touch on evaluating the return on investment of merchandise sales, especially for indie artistsAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Standards, phrasing, and the jazz ballad: Over the Rainbow (Lorez Alexandria)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07svdMmaQbM Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/4rnTlPjfyaDtKVhq9ZYryy?si=bcbff13656ac43f5 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/over-the-rainbow/1444164049 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B000W15BNS?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_1lz8YoMjapO1PSPL3SaW0Iyma&trackAsin=B000W190LM Other linksPete Kelly’s Blues (1955)“Sing a Rainbow,” Peggy LeeKey takeawaysTrist and Elaine discuss Lorez Alexandria’s take on the jazz classic “Over the Rainbow,” which introduces an intro from “Sing a Rainbow,” performed by Peggy Lee in “Pete Kelly’s Blues.” Topics include the relationship with theme and variation, back phrasing, and the push and pull with jazz instrumentalistsIn the Mailbag portion, Trist and Elaine reflect on the importance of creativity and expression in helping people connect, discover their true selves, and understand the human experience. They go on to discuss what type of activity to them brings meaning and connection in the context of an artist’s contribution to the worldAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Anthems, harmonies, and unexpected soul: If You Believe (Kenny Loggins)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG0eW6zHoyc Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/2thU0AOHF6C9Iwnrch1oHA?si=7a2cab7b25b848a3 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/if-you-believe/202777729 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B00138CRKY?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_dpAh3rAcWNutnxKDLPr1dx5Z3&trackAsin=B00137RMKK Key takeawaysKenny Loggins' song "If You Believe" from his 1991 album Leap of Faith features a unique a cappella intro that features three female singers who all had successes as background singers and successes as solo artists: Sheryl Crow, Siedah Garrett, and Ruth PointerThis song can be taken in context of the world history in the late 1980s and early 1990s, as well as in the context of Loggins’ careerIn the Mailbag segment, Trist and Elaine discuss the importance of external feedback, both in individual and group settings, in helping musicians growAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
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Minimalism, metaphor, and heartbreak: Never Dreamed You'd Leave in Summer (Stevie Wonder)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLDXORRDpo&list=RDFrLDXORRDpoSpotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/37Coai9PTZrf39716Ypi0SApple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/never-dreamed-youd-leave-in-summer/1443793772Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B000VWPMX2?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_SAOWAZX6uO74jq9sKAZbYD40N&trackAsin=B000VWQXJYKey takeawaysDespite Stevie Wonder’s typical full band sound, this ballad is a minimalistic experience, with just a piano, upright bass, and a light orchestra and choirLike most of his music, Stevie Wonder creates unexpected chord progressions that deviate from traditional music rules. However, these chord progressions never distract, only enhance his musicElaine and Trist also discuss album order and how it could be influenced by the limitations of available technology, and how it differs from creating a set for a live setIn the Mailbag segment, Elaine and Trist explore the concept of a “calling” in musicAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.Contact usEmail us at: [email protected] us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themusiciansloupe/ Talk with us on Threads: https://www.threads.com/@themusiciansloupe
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BONUS: A belated introduction
Join us for this special bonus episode: Trist and Elaine introduce themselves, cover their own musical backgrounds, and share why they’re doing this podcast.Other LinksThe LHR ProjectTake 6m-pactPentatonixStraight No ChaserThe Manhattan TransferNaturally 7The SwinglesAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.Contact usEmail us at: [email protected] us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themusiciansloupe/ Talk with us on Threads: https://www.threads.com/@themusiciansloupe
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Clever songwriting, vintage vibes, and a bit of whimsy: The Laundromat Swing (Rachael and Vilray)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDgAKf6pE6I&list=RDKDgAKf6pE6 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/4sluRx2AOutiE6pVszQfZ0 Apple Music - https://open.spotify.com/track/4sluRx2AOutiE6pVszQfZ0 Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B07VGP8RCW?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_OnOs1Dd5AHZ7VTB6bC1Si32Zb&trackAsin=B07VCH4ZX8 Other linksThere's Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift, by Kevin Evers“Here It Goes Again” music video, OK GoPomplamoose PatreonKey TakeawaysThe featured song, “The Laundromat Swing,” is a clever and compact duet by Racahel and Vilray, released in 2019 but styled to emulate 1940s musicThe recording style mirrors the 1940s, using a single high-quality microphone and live balancing, which adds warmth and authenticity to the sound. The song's lyrics are clever and nostalgic, using 1940s slang and focusing on a lighthearted, relatable topic about making a good impressionIn the mailbag segment, Elaine and Trist discuss the importance of marketing and branding for creatives, emphasizing that quality alone is often not enough for successAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.Contact usEmail us at: [email protected] us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themusiciansloupe/ Talk with us on Threads: https://www.threads.com/@themusiciansloupe
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Storytelling songs, pop culture references, and the underdog: You Don’t Mess Around with Jim (Jim Croce)
Listen to the songYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hickVDiW8k0 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/6ZBeRXjadHvBk9VYSnoO0R Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/you-dont-mess-around-with-jim/1674575644 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DZVD77DQ?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_MGVmgH42gWddvoDScPKQIAkC5&trackAsin=B0DZVFQ96F Key Takeaways“You Don’t Mess Around with Jim” is a story song that cleverly shifts from the crowd narrative of warning people away from a city boy bully to celebrating Slim, the country boy who overcomesTrist and Elaine delve into the musical and lyrical elements of the song, covering storytelling, orchestration, and usage of pop culture referencesIn the mailbag portion, Trist and Elaine discuss creativity and whether or not it’s influenced by the time of day, or if it’s just a personal rhythm and discipline that must be masteredAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.Contact usEmail us at: [email protected] us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themusiciansloupe/ Talk with us on Threads: https://www.threads.com/@themusiciansloupe
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Retro funk, pop, and a powerful bridge: Half of the Way (Vulfpeck)
Listen to the song we're discussing:YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr6f26I2cBI&pp=ygUYdnVsZnBlY2sgaGFsZiBvZiB0aGUgd2F5 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/3uFp6gGgNMtSEmzx1cHTG4 Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/half-of-the-way-feat-theo-katzman/1436319130 Amazon - https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B081ZLBTR1?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_Gu5DAmMNThAfAbN7TVhRRknB4&trackAsin=B081ZLYTFK ReferencesMore about Larry Goldings - https://youtube.com/@larrygoldings?si=1vAyRthG1Tbos6MQ Key Takeaways“Half of the Way” is a song by Vulfpeck, a funk and soul band. This particular song has a strong pop structure, catchy hooks, and retro soundThe discussion includes a discussion of the role of a bridge in pop music, and discusses how different this one is from the main body of the songThe Mailbag portion of the discussion focuses on the relationship between social media and the music industry, and the ongoing importance of live performances and word-of-mouthAbout usTrist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.Contact usEmail us at: [email protected] us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themusiciansloupe/ Talk with us on Threads: https://www.threads.com/@themusiciansloupe
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
A discussion about music and musicianship by Trist Curless (jazz singer, educator, sound engineer, and recording engineer, formerly of m-pact and The Manhattan Transfer) and Elaine Chao, M.Ed (multi-instrumentalist, vocalist, beatboxer, singer-songwriter, author, and former educator). Each week, we listen to a song together and discuss the music we love through the lens of decades in the music industry. Topics include analysis of songwriting, chord progression, instrumentation, recording technology, and arrangement.
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Elaine Chao and Trist Curless
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