Episodes
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Admired but Not Enjoyed: Pastors, Loneliness, and Community
Pastors build community for everyone else and often have none of their own. Clif and Sally get personal about loneliness in leadership and the hospital night that taught them the difference between suffering and trauma. They also explain why loving your dream of community can destroy the real...
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Hospitality Is Not a Performance: Margin, Generosity, and Being Hosted by God
Hospitality isn't frozen cookies and a tidy front room. Clif and Sally tell the story of a neighbor who asked for a glass of water every day for a whole summer, explain why welcoming others without margin leads to burnout, and offer permission for the seasons when it's your turn to be hosted....
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You Know a Lot of Theology. How's That Going for You?
Clif and Sally rethink competence in ministry. They talk about why real wisdom grows in relationship, the year Sally stopped reading books and heard God say "you have enough," and curiosity as reserving judgment just long enough to learn something new. In this episode (00:00) Introduction (00:49)...
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God Is Not a Cowboy: The Slow Journey of Spiritual Formation
Soul work is slow work. Clif and Sally reflect on staying patient (and staying patients), the pain that forms us, and why the Good Shepherd walks beside you instead of driving you from behind. In this episode (00:00) Introduction (01:44) Soul check-in: How do you see God seeing you? (06:23) The...
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The Best Gift You Can Give: Being Present in Ministry
Over breakfast, a mentor told Clif that the best gift you can give anyone is your transformed and transforming presence. He nearly fell out of his chair. Clif and Sally talk about the people who showed up for them, and why you can't be present to others while you're absent from yourself. In this...
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You Don't Have to Repent for Not Being God: Pastors and Burnout
Your limits aren't a result of the fall. They were part of God's very good design. Clif and Sally explore embracing your humanity with honesty and hope, and why ordinariness is the gravity that keeps leaders grounded for the long haul. In this episode (00:00) Introduction (01:34) Body check-in…
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Intro - What Ministry Does to You: Why Pastors Need Soul Care
Research shows that about 90% of pastors encourage their people to get counseling, but only 9% seek it out for themselves. Clif and Sally share why they started this show, where the name came from, and why every pastor out-teaches what they can live. In this episode (00:00) Introduction (03:29)...
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The Pastor as Person | Trailer
Seminary teaches you how to do ministry. It doesn't teach you what the ministry will do to you. The Pastor as Person is a soul-care conversation for pastors, ministry leaders, pastors' spouses and families, and anyone who loves a pastor. Hosts Clif and Sally Roth have been married more than 20...
About this show
Soul care for pastors, ministry leaders, and the people who love them. Clif and Sally Roth talk honestly about staying human in ministry: not superhuman, not less than human, just human.
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CrossPoint Ministry
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