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The Resilient Pastor

Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.

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    75 | Ger Jones on Evangelism that Listens First

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Ger Jones to explore how pastors can help their churches recover a renewed vision for evangelism. Drawing from his ministry at Vintage Church in Los Angeles and his experience with Alpha, Ger shares how churches can create spaces where spiritually curious people feel loved, heard and safe to explore Jesus. Together, they discuss why evangelism must begin with empathy, how listening can soften hearts, and why clear gospel proclamation still matters. This conversation equips pastors to reach the lost with humility, courage and renewed compassion. Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    74 | Esau McCaulley on Preaching Truth with Biblical Integrity

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Sharon Miller sits down with Esau McCaulley to explore what it means for pastors to preach truth with biblical integrity while navigating cultural tension. Drawing from Scripture, pastoral ministry, and Barna’s research, they discuss why pastors must resist being shaped by cultural narratives and instead help their people interpret reality through the lens of Scripture. Esau offers wisdom on preaching with courage, theological depth, and love for the congregation God has entrusted to you. This conversation equips pastors to lead faithfully when truth requires both conviction and care. Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    73 | Stewarding Authority & Creating a Culture of Feedback

    Send us Fan MailIn this host-led episode, Rich Villodas, Sharon Miller, and Glenn Packiam explore what it means to steward authority well in pastoral leadership. From the subtle weight of a pastor’s words to the challenge of receiving honest feedback, they unpack how influence shapes church culture—often more than leaders realize.Together, they discuss why feedback is so difficult to give (and receive), how insecurity can distort power dynamics, and what it looks like to create a culture where trust, honesty, and accountability can grow. They also share practical insights on building healthy leadership structures, inviting input from teams, and knowing when to lead with clarity and conviction.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    72 | Luke and Anna Hellebronth on Worship Leadership & Alignment

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Sharon Miller sits down with Glenn Packiam and worship pastors Luke and Anna Hellebronth to explore the relationship between senior pastors and worship leaders and why it matters for a healthy church. Drawing from their experience at Rockharbor Church, they discuss how trust, alignment, and shared vision shape both services and culture. They offer practical insight into planning, navigating creative tension, and partnering in leadership. This conversation equips pastors to build stronger, more aligned relationships with their worship leaders.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    71 | Jay Kim on AI, Tech, & Ministry

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with pastor and author Jay Kim to explore how church leaders can navigate technology and AI with wisdom and clarity. Drawing on ministry experience in Silicon Valley, Jay reflects on how digital tools can serve as a “front door” for connection while still pointing people toward embodied spiritual formation and community. Together they discuss how pastors can embrace innovation without losing the irreplaceable power of human presence in ministry.Pushpay exists to bring people together and help people be known. Through our innovative suite of products, we cultivate generosity by streamlining donation processes, enhancing communication, and strengthening connection. Visit Pushpay.com to explore how our digital solutions can support your mission and vision for the future of your ministry.Download Barna’s newest report, developed in partnership with Pushpay, Technology for Missional Impact, to explore how churches are using digital tools and AI to support ministry and mission. Download the report here.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    70 | Leading with Your Board of Elders

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller explore what it looks like to lead well with your board of elders. Drawing from personal experience and Barna insights, they discuss alignment, shared authority, healthy accountability and the spiritual rhythms that shape strong pastor–elder relationships. Whether you’re planting a church or strengthening an existing leadership team, this conversation offers practical wisdom for cultivating trust, clarity and resilience in church leadership.For more related insights on church leadership and governance, download your copy of Barna's The State of Pastors Volume 2 report.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page

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    69 | Edgar Sandoval on Leading Through Change & the Impact of Global Missions

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Edgar Sandoval, president and CEO of World Vision, to explore what it means to lead through change while staying grounded in mission. Drawing from his experience navigating organizational disruption and global humanitarian challenges, Edgar reflects on steady leadership, spiritual resilience, and the practices that sustain leaders under pressure. The conversation also highlights the impact of global missions and how churches can partner in meaningful ways that foster dignity, agency, and lasting change.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26. Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    68 | Tyler and Kirsten Staton on Sustaining Spiritual Formation & Connection in Marriage

    Send us Fan MailRich Villodas sits down with Tyler and Kirsten Staton for a candid conversation about staying connected in marriage while navigating the demands and transitions of ministry life. They reflect on communication, emotional safety, and vulnerability between spouses, as well as the importance of recognizing and honoring one another’s spiritual gifts. The conversation also explores simple, sustainable approaches to prayer and what faithfulness looks like for couples walking through seasons of change.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26.Discover how today’s families are changing—and how the church can strengthen family resilience. Download your copy of Barna’s The State of Today’s Family report.For more related insights, explore The Friendship Gap in Pastoral Life on Barna’s website.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    67 | Gabe and Jeanette Salguero on Pastoring Families in a Changing Culture

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Rich Villodas joins pastors Gabe and Jeanette Salguero to discuss what it means to pastor families in today’s church with greater awareness and care. Drawing on decades of pastoral leadership experience and insights from Barna research, the conversation explores the changing realities shaping modern family life. Together, they examine how pastors and church leaders can lead with presence, listen well to families’ needs, and develop family ministries that reflect the lived experiences of the people they serve. Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26Discover how today’s families are changing—and how the church can strengthen family resilience. Download your copy of Barna’s The State of Today’s Family report.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    66 | The Relationships of Today’s Pastors with David Kinnaman

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Rich Villodas, Glenn Packiam, and Sharon Hodde Miller join Barna CEO David Kinnaman to unpack new research on pastoral relationships. The conversation explores the tension between strong marriages and relational loneliness, and why friendship, spiritual direction, and community are essential for long-term pastoral resilience.Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26Get your own copy of new Barna report, The Relationships of Today's Pastors.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    65 | Bryan Loritts on the Future of Preaching

    Send us Fan MailSharon Hodde Miller sits down with Bryan Loritts to discuss the future of preaching and why knowing your congregation is essential for faithful communication. They talk about navigating justice topics with biblical grounding, speaking into cultural pressure with integrity, and maintaining credibility in a skeptical age. Bryan also weighs in on the opportunities and limits of AI in sermon preparation.Text BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thrive for over 15 years with step-by-step tools to build a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    64 | Discipling Your Church in Generosity

    Send us Fan MailGlenn Packiam, Rich Villodas, and Sharon Hodde Miller explore how pastors can disciple their churches toward worshipful, year-round generosity rooted in trust and vision. Framed by Barna research, they discuss how to cultivate healthy giving cultures, build trust with congregants, and wisely guide churches through year-end giving seasons and large capital campaigns.Text BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thrive for over 15 years with step-by-step tools to build a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.Explore Barna’s latest insights on fostering a culture of giving here: How Churches Can Foster a Culture of Generosity.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    63 | Jenni Catron on Leading & Sustaining a Healthy Staff Culture

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Sharon sits down with leadership coach Jenni Catron (founder of the 4Sight Group) to discuss what it takes to cultivate and sustain a thriving church staff culture. Together, they unpack how trust, clarity, and intentional systems help teams flourish, while reminding leaders that every role in the church is mission critical. Jenni offers practical wisdom for building trust through character and competency, creating healthy feedback rhythms, and stewarding the sacred responsibility of leading others well.Episode LinksText BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thrive for over 15 years with step-by-step tools to build a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    62 | The Surprising Shift in Church Attendance – with David Kinnaman & Ashley LaLonde

    Send us Fan MailBarna’s newest research reveals a stunning reversal: for the first time in decades, men are attending church more than women. Host Rich Villodas sits down with David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde from Barna to unpack what’s driving this shift and what it means for pastors and leaders. From purity culture to politics, Gen Z to single moms, this conversation offers both empathy and practical insight for churches navigating today’s changing spiritual landscape.Episode LinksText BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thrive for over 15 years with step-by-step tools to build a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    61 | Pastoring in Polarized Times

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode of The Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas, and Sharon Hodde Miller discuss how pastors can lead with wisdom and calm in polarized times. Drawing from Barna research and their own pastoral experiences, they explore what it means to be a non-anxious presence, when to speak (and when to stay silent), and how to shepherd a politically diverse congregation with humility, prayer, and conviction.Episode LinksFree Resource from Our Partner, BELAYFor over 15 years, BELAY has helped pastors and churches thrive. They’re offering a free download of Mission-Based Budgeting—a step-by-step guide to building a budget that fuels your ministry’s mission.Get your copy: Text BARNA to 55123.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    60 | Nona Jones on Embracing Rejection & Finding Strength in Ministry

    Send us Fan MailSharon Hodde Miller talks with Nona Jones about how rejection can shape your purpose and strengthen your ministry. Drawing from her own experiences in leadership, Nona shares how pastors can process hurt, set healthy expectations in relationships and stay resilient in the face of challenges.Episode LinksDownload Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-what-matters.Check out Nona Jones's book, The Gift of Rejection, wherever books are sold.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    59 | Jackie Hill Perry & Preston Perry on Screen Time, Family Rhythms & Ministry Life

    Send us Fan MailRich Villodas talks with Jackie Hill Perry and Preston Perry about navigating the pull of technology, setting healthy family rhythms and keeping their marriage strong in the midst of ministry demands. They share honest insights on creating space for connection, managing digital distractions and trusting God with the pressures of parenting and leadership.Episode LinksDownload Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at Barna.com/measuring-what-matters.Hear more from Jackie & Preston on With The Perrys.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    ​58 | Robby Angle on Building Discipleship Cultures, Small Groups & Embracing Slow Growth​

    Send us Fan MailSharon Hodde Miller talks with Robby Angle about relational discipleship, building small groups that foster real growth and why changing church culture takes time. They explore practical steps for investing in leaders, cultivating meaningful relationships and trusting God with the slow but lasting work of discipleship. Episode LinksLearn how RightNow Pastors Plus equips ministry leaders with on-demand training at rnow.me/plus.Check out True Face for resources on relational discipleship.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    57 | Tyler Staton on Making Room for the Spirit & Reaching a Spiritually Open Generation

    Send us Fan MailRich Villodas talks with Tyler Staton about helping people experience God in meaningful ways. They explore practical steps for creating space for the Holy Spirit, how to pastor in a spiritually open culture and why awakening desire is key to connecting with today's generation. Tyler also shares insights on preaching, prayer and learning to lead with courage.Episode LinksDownload Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-what-matters.Check out Tyler Staton's new book, The Familiar Stranger, wherever books are sold.Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    56 | Daniel Muvengi on Parenting in a Digital Age & Supporting Pastors Globally

    Send us Fan MailGlenn Packiam sits down with Dr. Daniel Muvengi (from World Vision International) to discuss the challenges pastors in Kenya are navigating, the pressures of parenting in ministry and how the Church is working to strengthen families. They also explore ways that churches in the West can learn from the resilience and perspectives of the global church. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Get World Vision’s free resource on parenting: Parenting the Open GenerationView all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    55 | Lisa Fields on Discipling Through Doubt & Deconstruction

    Send us Fan MailDavid Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder and CEO of the Jude 3 Project, to discuss how pastors can disciple people through doubt, deconstruction and spiritual disappointment. She shares practical wisdom on listening well, fostering spiritual healing and leading from a place of emotional health.Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller open the conversation by reflecting on the realities of deconstruction in their own ministry contexts, the importance of curiosity and compassion in addressing doubt and how pastors can create safe spaces for hard questions.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Learn more about Jude 3 Project at Jude 3 Project.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    54 | Jennie Allen on the Global Church & a Generation Hungry for Revival

    Send us Fan MailRich Villodas sits down with Jennie Allen, founder of IF:Gathering and Gather25, to talk about mobilizing the global church and discipling the next generation. Jennie describes the growing spiritual hunger she’s witnessing across the world, how pastors can help their churches connect with the global movement of God, and why now is the time for believers everywhere to unite in prayer, worship and mission. She also shares the vision behind Gather25, a 25-hour global event that will highlight stories of faith, transformation and evangelism from every continent.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Learn more about Gather25 at Gather25.com.Explore Barna’s latest research on the next generation at BarnaAccess.com.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    53 | Jay Kim on Team Health & Leadership Development

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in Silicon Valley, to discuss how to cultivate healthy teams in ministry. Jay shares actionable insights on fostering trust, navigating generational shifts in team dynamics and implementing consistent feedback loops to support growth and alignment for church teams.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Sign up for the free State of the Church 2025 webcast at StateoftheChurch.com.Learn more about Jay’s books Analog Christian and Analog Church.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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    52 | Shaila Visser & Dan Blythe on Evangelism and Engaging the Open Generation

    Send us Fan MailGlenn Packiam sits down with Shaila Visser, National Director of Alpha Canada and Dan Blythe, Global Youth Director for Alpha, to explore how pastors and church leaders can reimagine evangelism in today’s cultural landscape. Together, they share key findings from The Open Generation research and the creation of the Youth Alpha film series, offering practical insights on fostering intergenerational ministry, empowering young leaders and creating authentic spaces for faith exploration. Shaila and Dan also highlight the importance of listening in evangelism and the power of prayer in joining the Holy Spirit's work.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna's YouTube Channel.Access The Open Generation research and insights on Barna Access Plus.Learn more about the Alpha Youth Series at Alpha.org/youth.View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on Barna's podcast page.

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    51 | 3 Ways to Strengthen Your Marriage in Ministry (Live Recording)

    Send us Fan MailJoin Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for a special live recording of The Resilient Pastor podcast as they explore the unique challenges ministry places on marriages. Together, they share practical insights, actionable steps and key strategies to help leaders safeguard their relationships and overcome common hurdles.Whether you're looking to strengthen your partnership or connect with others navigating similar challenges, this episode offers valuable wisdom and encouragement to help your marriage thrive in the pressures of ministry.-Follow along on Youtube.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative?  Check out the podcast page.

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    Coming Soon: Season 6 of 'The Resilient Pastor'

    Send us Fan MailJoin Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for another season of conversations to equip you in your ministry work. In this upcoming season, we’ll be covering more pressing topics, including  the relational health of pastors, engaging with the work of the global church and practical ministry challenges for pastors and leaders.  New episodes start on January 2, 2025 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode!-Follow along on Youtube.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative?  Check out the podcast page!

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    50 | Pete Scazzero on Pastoral Credibility & Establishing Trust Within the Church

    Send us Fan MailPete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to  reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusCheck out Rich Villodas’ new book: The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our SoulsWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    49 | Jimmy and Irene Rollins on Building Healthy Marriages & Relational Support for Pastors

    Send us Fan MailJimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Two Equals One Ministry: Two Equals One MinistryCheck out the Rollins’ latest book: Two Equals One BookGlenn with the double glasses: PictureWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    48 | Mark Matlock on Rethinking Evangelism & Reaching the Spiritually Curious

    Send us Fan MailGlenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Mark Matlock’s latest book, Faith For The Curious: How an Era of Spiritual Openness Shapes the Way We Live and Help Others Follow JesusWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    47 | Megan Fate Marshman on Leading Amidst Grief & Learning to Slow Down

    Send us Fan MailRich Villodas sits down with Megan Fate Marshman to discuss the impact of grief on spirituality and how her own grief journey has affected the way she leads. Together, they discuss different struggles she has faced as a preacher and how to slow down in today’s hustle culture. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Megan Marshman’s latest book, Relaxed: Walking with the One Who Is Not Worried about a ThingWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    46 | Reward Sibanda on Spiritual Openness in the Next Generation & the Impact of Digital Technology

    Send us Fan MailOn today’s episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam and Reward Sibanda discuss the gaps in spiritual openness between the Church and the next generation, the impact of digital spaces and how spiritual disciplines like fasting are connected to holistic renewal.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusPartner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcastWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    45 | Michael Wear on Navigating Political Polarization & the Spiritual Impact of Politics

    Send us Fan MailMichael Wear sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss what it looks like for Christians to engage in politics, how spiritual health impacts the state of our politics and some practical ways to navigate political conversations. Michael also shares his personal experience working in the White House and the challenges he’s faced as a Christian in politics. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Michael Wear’s latest book, The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public LifePartner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    44 | Daniel Im on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation in a Post-Everything Age

    Send us Fan MailDaniel Im joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a post-everything world. Together, they explore the historical context of the church growth movement and its impact on church leadership, emphasizing the critical importance of developing robust discipleship pathways and the key role pastors play in guiding congregations toward spiritual growth and maturity.___Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Daniel Im’s latest book, The Discipleship Opportunity: How Can Our Churches Become Stronger, Healthier, and More On-Mission in Our Post-Everything World?Partner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    43 | Lisa Whittle on the Pastoral Credibility Crisis & Rebuilding Trust

    Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Glenn, Rich and Sharon sit down to discuss the challenges pastors face in gaining and maintaining trust amidst a crisis of credibility. Then, Lisa Whittle shares her personal experience as the daughter of a pastor who experienced a public fall, emphasizing the need for accountability, compassion and grounding faith in Jesus to rebuild trust and resilience in ministry.___Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Lisa Whittle’s organization Ministry Strong.Partner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    42 | Carey Nieuwhof on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Leadership Succession

    Send us Fan MailCarey Nieuwhof sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the trends he is noticing among younger generations of church leaders, lessons he learned from his pastoral succession at Connexus Church and practical advice he’d give to young leaders entering into ministry.  Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Carey Nieuwhof’s Art of Leadership Academy.Partner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    41 | Dr. Anita Phillips on Pastors’ Mental Health & Betrayal Trauma

    Send us Fan MailIn this interview from the State of Pastors webcast, Dr. Anita Phillips joins Sharon Hodde Miller to discuss the similar emotional/mental health risk factors that pastors and entrepreneurs face, the trauma leaders face from relational losses in their churches and the ways that elder boards can better support pastors to get the help they need when they’re struggling.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusPartner / Guest ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Check out Dr. Anita's new book, The Garden Within, today!Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    Coming Soon: Season 5 of ‘The Resilient Pastor’ Podcast

    Send us Fan MailJoin Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral well-being, church leadership and navigating the pressing cultural challenges of today. New episodes start on May 23, 2024 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode!Follow along on Youtube.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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    40 | John Mark Comer on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation

    Send us Fan MailJohn Mark Comer (teacher, author, founding pastor of Bridgetown Church) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss what he’s learned as he stepped back from pastoring, why he’s underwhelmed by a Sunday-centric model of discipleship and the formative power that a rule of life has played in his personal life and leadership. Sign up for the State of Pastors Summit.Learn more about John Mark’s new book, Practicing the Way.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCohort

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    39 | David Kinnaman on Spiritual Backstories, Deconstruction & Resilience

    Send us Fan MailDavid Kinnaman (CEO, Barna Group) joins Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller to explore current trends in spiritual openness, the factors that contribute to people distancing themselves from the Church and how understanding people's spiritual backstories can be a gateway for meaningful faith conversations.Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort. Learn about The Intentional Year by Holly and Glenn Packiam.Partner LinksWorld Vision: Visit WorldVision.org/Barna2024 to access the Resilient Pastor video series. Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

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    38 | N.T. Wright on Vocation, Lament & Suffering

    Send us Fan MailN.T. Wright (theologian and author) discusses with Glenn Packiam what he has learned about the gifts of prayer and lament in the church, trends he is seeing in vocational satisfaction for pastors and the encouragement that Paul’s letter to the Romans has to offer pastors and teachers.Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Learn more about N.T. Wright’s latest book, Into the Heart of Romans: A Deep Dive into Paul's Greatest Letter.Partner LinksWorld Vision: Visit WorldVision.org/Barna2024 to access the Resilient Pastor video series. Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohortAdvent Series (Week 1, Week 2, Week 3)

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    37 | Jeanne Stevens on Community Engagement & Global Outreach

    Send us Fan MailJeanne Stevens (pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, IL) joins Glenn Packiam to share about how her church is engaging their local community, rethinking what global partnership can look like and what she’s learning about the power of presence through her own leadership journey. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Learn more about Jeanne’s latest book, What’s Here Now, and discover how you can get involved with World Vision’s Chosen initiative today.Partner LinksWorld Vision: Visit WorldVision.org/Barna2024 to access the Resilient Pastor video series. Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohortAdvent Series (Week 1, Week 2)

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    36 | Gabriel Salguero on a Pastoral Approach to Addressing Current Events

    Send us Fan MailGabriel Salguero (pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, FL) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss when to discuss national and local issues, finding balance between the priestly and prophetic callings of pastors and the importance of relational support for church leaders. Together, they also discuss trends he’s observing within the Latino church community and insights they offer for the broader church.Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

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    35 | Jess Connolly on Ministry Burnout & Accepting Your Limitations

    Send us Fan MailJess Connolly (author, church planter, coach) talks with Sharon about the overlooked causes of burnout among church leaders. Together, they talk about the importance of not making exceptions to your limitations, the power of the ministry of absence and the important role of rest and time management for sustainable ministry.Check out Jess’s upcoming book, Tired of Being Tired: Receive God’s Realistici Rest for Your Soul-Deep Exhaustion. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

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    34 | Ike Miller on Redeeming Childhood Wounds & Cultivating Healthy Relationships

    Send us Fan MailIke Miller joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the valuable insights he has gained from church planting, how painful childhood experiences and trauma shape pastor’s leadership styles and how to harness childhood wounds as a source of strength in addressing the needs of your congregation.Check out Ike’s latest book Good Baggage: How Your Difficult Childhood Prepared You for Healthy Relationships. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

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    33 | Faith Eury Cho on Navigating Wilderness Seasons & Encountering God's Presence

    Send us Fan MailFaith Eury Cho (co-pastor of Mosaic Covenant church) and Glenn Packiam discuss how to handle God's absence, developing awareness of His presence and managing ministry challenges during wilderness seasons. Plus, in the introduction discussion, Rich, Sharon and Glenn share their experiences in leading during spiritually dry spells and encouragement on expanding our understanding of God's presence.Check out Faith’s latest book Experiencing Friendship With God: How the Wilderness Draws Us to His Presence. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

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    32 | Ken Shigematsu on Grace, Shame & Developing Healthy Rhythms

    Send us Fan MailKen Shigematsu (Senior Pastor of Tenth Church in Vancouver, BC) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about the role of confession in overcoming shame, the healing power of embracing God’s grace and how a rule of life can help leaders set healthy rhythms of rest and formation in their lives. Check out Ken’s latest book Now I Become Myself: How Deep Grace Heals Our Shame and Restores Our True Self.Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort launching January 31, 2024.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastRoundtablesPartner LinksWorld Impact: Check out the latest Barna webinar with World Impact at barna.com/urbanchurch.RightNow Media: Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.

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    31 | Chuck DeGroat on Narcissistic Leadership & Healing from Past Wounds

    Send us Fan MailChuck DeGroat (professor, therapist, author) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about how unhealed trauma can cause future leadership challenges and narcissism, practical ways pastors and church leaders can move towards healing from their past and how to lead confidently without feeling overly inhibited by the fear of being a narcissist.Check out Chuck’s latest book When Narcissism Comes to Church. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor roundtables this Fall 2023.Oct 4- Charlotte, NCOct 26- Chicago, ILNov 16- Orange County, CAWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastPartner LinksBrotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.RightNow Media: Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.

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    Welcome to Season 4 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast

    Send us Fan MailSeason 4 of The Resilient Pastor podcast will be back on Tuesday! Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral health, church leadership and navigating complex challenges in today’s culture.New episodes start on September 19.  Share the Season 4 trailer, and subscribe to The Resilient Pastor wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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    30 | Beth Moore on Cultivating Resilience & Finding Hope in Hardship

    Send us Fan MailBeth Moore (author, speaker, teacher) talks with Sharon Hodde Miller about staying open through criticism, lessons she’s learned from her years in ministry and leaving a legacy for future generations of church leaders. Additionally, Sharon, Glenn and Rich discuss the impact that a leader’s family of origin and patterns of trauma can have on how they show up in their ministry roles.Beth’s memoir, All My Knotted-Up Life, is available wherever you buy books.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBrotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.RightNow Media: Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.

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    28 | Bianca Olthoff on Preaching & Church Planting

    Send us Fan MailBianca Olthoff (church planter, author, speaker, podcaster) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about some of the emotional tolls of preaching, developing resilience through her journey with church planting and navigating the leadership challenges of political and cultural polarization. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorldVision: Get access to the free Engaging Gen Z webcast at worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.

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Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.

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