Two Ordinary Cops

What happens when police officers from opposite sides of the world sit down and compare notes? As it turns out, far more is shared than separates them. This week, Schultzy and Damo welcome Inspector Ben Dimmock from Bedfordshire Police in the United Kingdom for the Two Ordinary Cops' first international guest interview. With more than 24 years of policing experience, Ben shares his remarkable career journey, from frontline response and detective work to counter-terrorism, offender management and now leading one of the UK's largest police wellbeing teams. The conversation explores the universal realities of modern policing, including leadership, mentoring young officers, public scrutiny, social media, officer wellbeing and the psychological toll of the job. Together, they compare policing in the UK and Australia, discussing the challenges of recruiting the next generation, supporting officers through trauma, building psychologically safe workplaces and why good leadership is essential to keeping experienced police on the frontline. Despite the different uniforms, accents and countries, one thing becomes clear—policing is policing. This is an honest, insightful and thought-provoking conversation about the people behind the badge and why looking after those who protect our communities has never been more important.

When Queensland Police Dog Squad Officer in Charge Joel Davidson first joined the police at just 19 years old, he never imagined the journey ahead. From proactively hunting offenders on the streets of Toowoomba to leading the Mount Isa Dog Squad, Joel shares what it really takes to become a police dog handler, how these remarkable dogs save lives, and why they're one of policing's most valuable resources. But this episode goes far beyond tracking offenders. Joel opens up about the devastating losses that have shaped his life, including the death of his brother, the impact of Brett Forte's murder, and the unimaginable heartbreak of losing his young son, Ollie. With remarkable honesty, he explains how tragedy changed his outlook on policing, leadership, fatherhood and life itself. This is a powerful conversation about resilience, mateship, purpose and the importance of looking after those around us. It's an episode that will leave you with a greater appreciation for the people behind the badge, the extraordinary bond between a handler and their police dog, and the strength it takes to keep moving forward when life delivers its toughest blows. If you've ever wondered what it takes to become a police dog handler—or how someone can turn unimaginable grief into a mission to help others—this is an episode you won't want to miss.

In Episode 131, Schultzy and Damo tackle one of the biggest questions facing modern policing: at what point does doing your job become a crime? Using the recent conviction of NSW Police Sergeant Ben Bryant as the catalyst, they explore personal responsibility, accountability, police pursuits, youth offending, sentencing, and whether the justice system is shifting responsibility away from offenders and onto the very people tasked with protecting the community. The conversation also revisits a Northern Territory tradition with a look back at Cracker Night, discussing freedom, risk, and where personal responsibility should begin and end. Along the way, the boys share stories from their own policing careers, debate the role of the courts, and ask whether current policies are giving frontline officers the confidence to do the job the public expects of them. To finish on a positive note, the inaugural Extra Sauce on the Burger Award is presented to a deserving police officer who has gone above and beyond for both his community and his colleagues. As always, this episode is built on the boys' own experiences and opinions, with the aim of encouraging respectful discussion around policing, justice, leadership and community safety.

Before Two Ordinary Cops ever had a name, one of the titles we seriously considered was The Real Northern Territory. It only seems fitting that 130 episodes later, we finally tell that story. The Northern Territory is unlike anywhere else in Australia. It's a place of breathtaking landscapes, unforgettable characters, incredible mateship, and communities that leave a lasting mark on everyone who spends time there. But it's also a place that has faced its share of challenges, many of which rarely make the headlines with the full story behind them. In this episode, Schultzy and Damo take you on a journey from Darwin to Katherine, Tennant Creek, Alice Springs and some of the Territory's most remote communities. They share the places they loved, the people they'll never forget, the humour that got them through the toughest days, and the realities of living and policing in Australia's last frontier. This isn't a policing episode—it's a conversation about a place that shaped who they are. Whether you've lived in the Territory, visited once, or have always wondered what life is really like beyond the headlines, this episode offers an honest, heartfelt and often hilarious look at one of Australia's most unique places. If you've ever wanted to know what the real Northern Territory is all about, this is the episode for you.

The conversation around Australia's Special Forces has never been more relevant. After watching the powerful documentary Bravery and Betrayal, Schultzy and Damo take an honest look at the extraordinary courage of the men who served in Afghanistan, the sacrifices made by their families, and the toll that service takes long after the fighting ends. From daily combat operations and impossible decisions to the loyalty between mates, military working dogs, and the support of families back home, this episode explores what it truly means to serve at the highest level. The boys also discuss the importance of fair investigations, leadership under pressure, and why those who put themselves in harm's way deserve both accountability and unwavering support when the facts are established. This isn't about politics. It isn't about personalities. It's about recognising those who answered Australia's call, understanding the realities of modern warfare, and asking difficult questions about loyalty, leadership, sacrifice and justice. Whether you've worn the uniform, know someone who has, or simply want to understand the human stories behind the headlines, this is an episode that will challenge your thinking—and one you won't forget.

In this powerful episode, the boys sit down with Queensland policing legend Keith Banks. From working deep undercover and helping build Queensland’s early tactical policing capability, to facing some of the most confronting moments of his career, Keith shares the lessons that shaped his life both in and out of uniform. Drawing on experiences from his books and years on the frontline, Keith reflects on the loss of fellow officer Peter Kidd, the impact of PTSD, alcohol abuse, organisational trauma, and the remarkable MLC siege negotiation that remains one of the proudest moments of his career. The conversation also explores the changing face of police leadership, the importance of looking after your people, and the lasting impact that both good and bad leadership can have on those serving on the frontline. More than just policing stories, this is an honest conversation about courage, leadership, resilience, and the hidden toll that policing can take on those who serve.

In this special episode, Schultzy's partner, Miriam Leask, joins the podcast to share her firsthand account of living through the devastating Christchurch earthquakes. From the terrifying moments when the earth shook beneath her feet to the long road of recovery that followed, Miriam provides a powerful and emotional insight into one of New Zealand's darkest chapters. Miriam reflects on the incredible support provided by police, emergency services, military personnel, and disaster response teams from across Australia and New Zealand, offering a heartfelt thank you to those who helped Christchurch when it needed it most. The conversation then shifts to a different perspective on policing—the view from the partner of a former police officer. Miriam shares what she's observed over the past nine years with Schultzy, including the lasting effects of the job, hypervigilance, life after policing, and a few stories that prove you can take the cop out of the police force, but you can't always take the police force out of the cop. A thoughtful, emotional, and at times hilarious episode about resilience, recovery, service, and the people who stand beside those who wear the badge.  

This week, Schultzy and Damo reflect on their experience at the Queensland Police Union Council Conference and the incredible people they met along the way. From frontline coppers and union representatives to those who continue to serve despite significant personal challenges, this episode is a reminder of the strength, resilience and camaraderie that exists within the policing family. The boys share stories from behind the scenes of the conference, discuss why police from every corner of Australia instantly connect through shared experience, and give a well-deserved shout-out to the outstanding men and women who dedicate themselves to looking after others. They also highlight the importance of police welfare, mental health support, and the positive impact initiatives like Cop Care are having on serving and retired members. Along the way, there are plenty of laughs, a tribute to those we've lost, recognition of officers doing it tough with remarkable outlooks on life, and one of the best Cartonable Offences we've heard in a long time involving OC spray and a very unfortunate place to carry it. A heartfelt episode about mateship, resilience, and why the blue family remains one of the strongest communities you'll ever be part of. 🎙️ Listen now: https://benschultz.podbean.com #TwoOrdinaryCops #QueenslandPoliceUnion #BlueFamily #PoliceLife #FirstResponders #MentalHealthMatters #CopCare #PoliceCommunity #PolicingAustralia #QueenslandPolice #AnswerTheCall #TwoOrdinaryCopsPodcast

In this special live episode, Schultzy and Damo take the stage at the Queensland Police Union Council Conference to share their experiences from policing in some of the toughest and most remote parts of Australia. The boys discuss the lasting impact of the Zach Rolfe case on Northern Territory policing, the importance of strong leadership, mateship, and looking after your people, and the challenges many officers face both during and after their careers. They also explore life after the badge, the realities of PTSD, and why finding your tribe is so important once you leave the job. Of course, it wouldn't be a Two Ordinary Cops episode without a few laughs along the way, with plenty of wild Northern Territory stories, policing mishaps, and the sort of humour only cops can truly appreciate. This is an honest, raw, and often funny conversation about policing, resilience, camaraderie, and why first responders need to keep talking about the things that matter. 🎧 Listen now: https://benschultz.podbean.com #TwoOrdinaryCops #QueenslandPoliceUnion #QPUC #PolicePodcast #FirstResponders #PTSDAwareness #PoliceLife #Leadership #Mateship #LifeAfterPolicing #BeTheGreaseNotTheSand #AustralianPolicing

In this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Schultzy and Damo sit down with exercise physiologist Jack Woods from to discuss the powerful connection between exercise, routine and mental health recovery for first responders. Jack shares his experience working with police, ambos and other emergency services members suffering from PTSD, depression and burnout, explaining how small achievable goals, accountability and physical activity can genuinely help rewire the brain and rebuild lives. The boys also talk openly about the struggles many first responders face when asking for help, the importance of camaraderie after the job, and why organisations like Bellator are filling a critical gap in mental health support across Australia. There’s still plenty of laughs along the way, including Damo’s inability to remember Jack’s name and discussions about sinking instead of swimming, while also touching on the realities of life after the job and why staying connected matters. The episode also includes an exciting announcement about Two Ordinary Cops being invited to speak at the Queensland Police Union Conference next week. A genuine, honest and important conversation about PTSD, resilience, fitness, mateship and looking after your own.

For 23 years, Lyn Kowalski worked behind the scenes in the Queensland Police Service — but as you’ll hear in this episode, the job was anything but “just admin.” From homicide investigations and child protection cases to supporting detectives through some of the darkest moments of their careers, Lyn shares the side of policing the public rarely sees. The long hours, the emotional toll, the black humour that keeps people going, and the incredible bond formed behind closed station doors. This episode is raw, funny, emotional and brutally honest at times. Lyn opens up about transcribing murder investigations, working alongside CIB and CPIU detectives, supporting officers after tragedy, and the unseen role admin staff play in keeping policing running every single day. You’ll laugh at stories of taser demonstrations gone wrong, detectives getting barricaded into offices until briefs were finished, and the chaos of life inside a busy police station — but you’ll also gain a whole new appreciation for the people who quietly carry the weight behind the badge. A powerful reminder that policing is never done alone.

In this episode, we come to you live from the National Suicide Prevention Conference, where we sit down with Nick White and Krista Hawke to talk about what’s really missing in the mental health space for first responders. Nick shares how Bellator Fortitudinum has grown from a small support network into a nationwide charity helping current and former first responders find connection, purpose, and support after the job. From lived experience to life-saving impact, this is raw, honest insight into what actually works. Krista brings nearly three decades of experience as a psychologist working with first responders, breaking down the reality of PTSD, moral injury, and why so many traditional support systems miss the mark. Together, we unpack the importance of peer support, early intervention, and why understanding the job is critical to helping those who’ve lived it. This is a powerful conversation about identity, transition, and the importance of looking after those who’ve spent their careers looking after everyone else.

In this episode, we reflect on the tragic events out of Alice Springs and the loss of Kumunjayi Little Baby. We break down what actually happens during a major police investigation—from the initial response, search efforts, and escalation, through to arrest and the long road to prosecution. It’s a confronting conversation, but an important one. We talk about the balance between emotion and evidence, why process matters, and the reality of policing during incidents like this. We also touch on our time at the National Suicide Prevention Conference, focusing on practical solutions and the importance of supporting those on the front line. Our thoughts are with the family, the Alice Springs community, and all those involved.

In this episode, we break down the reality behind the Northern Territory’s liquor laws—why they exist, how they differ from place to place, and what it’s actually like policing them on the ground. From permit systems and dry communities to the chaos that can unfold when alcohol floods back in, we share firsthand experiences from the job that most people would never see or fully understand. We also tackle the bigger question—where does responsibility really sit when it comes to alcohol-related crime? We also touch on some exciting news as we head to the Suicide Prevention Conference in Sydney, working alongside Nick White and Bellator Fortitudinum—an important step in continuing the conversation around mental health and supporting first responders. It’s an honest, no-filter look at a complex issue that’s often misunderstood, with insights only frontline cops can give.

In this episode, the boys take a closer look at the high-profile arrest of Ben Roberts-Smith — and ask the question many in policing are thinking: why was it done that way? Schultzy and Damo break down the different types of arrests, including “arrest by appointment”, and explain why it’s often the safest and most practical option for cooperative individuals. They also dive into the realities of policing that the public rarely sees — from discretion and use of force to the difference between legislation and general orders, and why police don’t get to pick and choose which laws they enforce. With real on-the-job examples and honest insight, the boys unpack how decisions are actually made on the ground — and just how complex even simple jobs can be. If you’ve ever wondered how arrests really work, this one’s worth a listen.

This week, the Two Ordinary Cops step into one of the most talked-about and complex stories in Australia — the arrest of Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith. Drawing on their policing experience, Schultzy and Damo unpack the realities of high-risk environments, the pressures placed on those who serve, and the difficulty of judging decisions made in situations most of us will never truly understand. They discuss due process, justice, and the importance of keeping perspective while emotions run high across the country. This is not about jumping to conclusions — it’s about asking questions, looking at all sides, and recognising the sacrifices made by those sent into conflict on behalf of Australia. It’s a respectful, honest and thought-provoking discussion that tackles a difficult topic, while also reminding us of the importance of standing behind those who serve.

Leadership in policing — everyone talks about it, but what actually makes a good leader? In this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops welcome back fan favourite Andy Bedwell for one of the most thought-provoking conversations yet. While the episode starts with some reflections and real-world examples, it quickly builds into a powerful discussion about leadership, decision-making, and what’s really going wrong — and right — in policing today. From remote communities to major incidents, Andy shares lessons learned from decades on the frontline, breaking down why good leadership matters, how poor leadership impacts policing, and what can actually be done to fix it. This is more than just a conversation about rank — it’s about influence, trust, communication, and empowering good cops to do what they do best. If you’ve ever worked in policing, leadership, or any high-pressure environment, this episode will resonate. And trust us… by the end, this one hits hard. 🎧 Don’t miss Episode 117 — one of the most insightful conversations we’ve had yet.

This week, the boys sit down with one of their closest mates and one of the best leaders they ever worked under — former Detective Sergeant Andy Bedwell. From the wild days of Catherine, Tennant Creek and Alice Springs, Andy joins Schultzy and Damo to relive the jobs that shaped them — from homicide investigations and remote policing to the camaraderie that helped them survive some of the toughest moments of their careers. They talk about the reality of policing in the Northern Territory, dealing with tragedy, the importance of humour in dark times, and the unbreakable bonds formed between those who worked shoulder-to-shoulder in some of the most demanding environments in Australia. There are plenty of laughs, a few emotional moments, and classic old-school policing stories — including golf course chaos, remote deployments, leadership lessons, and the kind of mateship you only find in the job. This is one of those episodes that captures exactly what policing was — tough, confronting, and unforgettable — but also full of loyalty, laughter, and lifelong friendships. One of the best yarns yet.

What really happens when substances like kava, cannabis, and alcohol take hold in remote communities? In this episode, the boys cut through the noise and misinformation to share what they actually saw on the ground. From massive kava seizures and organised crime networks making huge profits, to the devastating impact on families and communities, this is the reality most people never hear about. They also tackle the backlash from social media critics, the mindset needed to handle it, and why “the standard you walk past is the standard you accept” still rings true in policing. It’s raw, honest, and at times confronting—mixed in with a bit of the usual banter, a yarn about the old PCYC days, and a well-earned “carton of the week.” If you want the truth behind the headlines and a real look at life policing the Top End—this one’s for you.

In Episode 114, Schultzy and Damo sit down with retired Queensland police officer and long-time dog handler David Raymond, who spent 26 years in the dog squad after joining the QPS in 1989. From tracking offenders through the streets and scrub of North Queensland to locating missing people and saving lives, David shares what police dogs are really capable of and why they are one of the most effective tools in policing. This episode dives into the training, selection, and real-world use of police dogs, along with plenty of stories from David’s career in Cairns and beyond. It is a fascinating look at the bond between handler and dog, the pressure of the job, and the role police dogs play not just in catching crooks, but in protecting officers and the public as well.

In Episode 113, Schultzy and Damo kick things off with shout outs to members of the policing community who have reached out to the podcast, including former coppers who have sent in books, patches, and messages from across Australia and New Zealand. The boys then unpack a busy week in law enforcement across the country, discussing several recent police shootings and explaining why police are often referred to as society’s hard stop. They also break down the reality behind welfare checks, what they actually mean in policing, and why the vast majority of these jobs end without any force being used. Along the way there’s the usual Two Ordinary Cops banter, including stories about police dogs and life on the job. Coming up next, the podcast will feature some of the former police officers who have sent in their books, sharing their own experiences from bush policing, dog squads, and frontline service.

What does a detective actually do? In this episode, we break down the reality behind plainclothes policing — where detectives came from, why they exist, and what it really takes to earn that gold badge. From intense training courses and major crime exercises to extradition warrants, long hours, and cases that don’t stop just because you’re exhausted — this is the work behind the badge. But it doesn’t stop there. We also reflect on the extraordinary coppers we served alongside — the ones who ran in sixth gear when everyone else was red-lining in fifth. The hunters. The relentless operators. The ones whose phones never stopped ringing because everyone trusted them. This isn’t about Hollywood undercover myths. It’s about commitment, pressure, pride, and the people who went above and beyond. Two Ordinary Cops talking about extraordinary policing.

In Episode 111, the boys sit down with serving Queensland Police Sergeant Jake Lacy for a genuine yarn about growing up on the Gold Coast, joining the police, and choosing the adventure of heading north before being thrown straight into the realities of bush policing in Mount Isa. From relentless jobs and limited backup to tight-knit teams and lifelong friendships, Jake explains how the bush fast-tracks both your policing experience and personal growth. The episode blends humour, frontline stories, and honest reflections on camaraderie, police wellbeing, and organisational pressures - highlighting why looking after your mates, switching off from the job, and embracing the adventure out bush can shape not just better cops, but stronger humans.

Every week we get asked the same question: “How do I join the police?” But the real question isn’t how — it’s why. In this episode, we break down what becoming a police officer actually demands. Not the recruitment brochure version. Not the TV drama version. The real version. We talk about: Why your motivation matters more than your fitness score The responsibility behind the badge (not the power) The lifestyle change no one fully prepares you for What the recruitment process is really looking for The personality traits that will make or break you in the job How the job will change you — whether you’re ready or not We share our own recruitment journeys, the mistakes we made, the lessons we learned, and what we’d tell our younger selves before stepping through those academy gates. If you’re thinking about joining the police — or you’ve already applied — this episode is your reality check. Because this isn’t just a job. It’s a commitment. And you need to learn what it really takes.

What happens when NT bush coppers and Queensland country police work the same patch of dirt? You get chaos, camaraderie, and some cracking stories. In this episode we sit down with Queensland Police officer Amit Singh, whose career has taken him from Brisbane to some of the most remote communities in the country. From solo responses on the Barkly Highway to cross-border jobs with NT Police, Amit shares what policing is really like when backup is hours away and the locals are your first support crew. We talk Camooweal connections, bush problem-solving, interstate teamwork, and a bit of friendly cricket rivalry thrown in for good measure. But it’s not just war stories. Amit opens up about the mental toll of the job, why recognising good police work matters, and how a simple message can change — or even save — a life. He also shares why he started the Strong Legacypodcast, focused on resilience, wellbeing, and reminding first responders of the difference they make. Bush policing, cross-border brotherhood, and looking after your mates — this one’s got heart.

We’re back answering your questions — from joining the AFP and life in the dog squad, to why bush policing can shape you into a better cop. We share stories about working with police dogs, the reality of remote Territory jobs, and how body-worn cameras could save huge time on statements. Then we tackle the big one: does a full moon really send people wild? Let’s just say… there’s a reason cops watch the sky. We also head into croc country, talking Cahill’s Crossing, remote dangers, and the kind of policing you only see in the Top End — before finishing with a few laughs and cartons owed. Real stories, real policing, and plenty of Territory chaos.

In this episode, we’re joined by Rebecca Dale, Queensland Police veteran and Games Manager for the Australasian Police & Emergency Services Games, to talk about what the Games are really about — connection, camaraderie, and catching up with the people who just get it. From cops, ambos and fireies reconnecting years after working side-by-side, to mixed teams, unexpected friendships and plenty of laughs along the way, this isn’t just a sporting event — it’s a frontline reunion. Rebecca shares how the Games bring together thousands of emergency service workers across Australasia, why networking off the job matters just as much as teamwork on it, and how shared experiences create bonds that last a lifetime. There’s talk of unlikely sports, legendary banter, beer gardens, and why coming together for something positive hits differently for people who usually meet at the worst moments. It’s a high-energy, feel-good chat about mateship, movement, and why the Australasian Games are one of the best weeks on the calendar.

After missing their first deadline in 105 episodes — thanks to a 250kg heifer flattening Damo’s wife — the Two Ordinary Cops are back on the mic. In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive deep into one of the most fundamental — yet often underestimated — parts of policing: taking a proper statement. Sparked by Schultzy reviewing a poorly constructed statement in the Lockie Jones investigation, the boys unpack why statements are often the difference between justice and a case falling apart. They break down key techniques like TEDS and ADVOCATE, explain how to avoid contaminating witnesses, and why open-ended questioning matters so much in court. From handwritten notebooks to audio, video, and body-worn cameras, they also reflect on how statement taking has evolved — and why modern recording methods can be a game changer for both victims and police. With real stories from the job, practical lessons for current serving members, and their trademark humour along the way, this is a must-listen for anyone who wants to understand how cases are really built from the ground up.

After a disrupted start to the year, Schultzy and Damo reunite to reset and kick off 2026. This episode is driven by listener feedback following recent powerful episodes, particularly the stories shared by Kath and Susie. The boys reflect on why those conversations mattered, how they humanised policing, and the impact they’ve had across Australia and New Zealand. They also share honest reflections on the realities of modern policing, the challenges faced on the ground, and the disconnect that can exist between frontline experience and public commentary. A grounded return episode focused on reflection, connection, and what’s ahead for Two Ordinary Cops in 2026.

In this episode, Schultzy flies solo while Damo takes some time out for family, and he dives into something deeply important. A huge thank you goes to Melanie Reid and Bonnie Sumner, whose powerful work on The Boy in the Water series helped bring this case, and its serious concerns, into the light and kept it in the public conversation. While visiting New Zealand, Schultzy travelled to Gore to walk the ground, speak with those involved, and take a closer look into the heartbreaking case of three-year-old Lockie Jones, whose death in the Gore oxidation ponds has left more questions than answers. From investigative red flags, unanswered questions, policing standards, hierarchy-driven decisions, and the duty to properly investigate — Schultzy talks openly and honestly about why this matters, why impartial policing is essential, and why Lockie, his family, and the community deserve clarity and truth. This episode isn’t about politics. It’s about responsibility, good policing, and a little boy who loved cops. It’s about making sure the job is done properly — and doing it for Lockie Jones.

In this shorter-than-usual Boxing Day catch-up, the Two Ordinary Cops jump on quickly to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a safe New Year. With family time taking priority over the holidays—and Schultzy heading over to New Zealand to spend time with loved ones—recording time has been tight, so this one is brief but heartfelt. Schultzy also shares that his NZ trip isn’t just about family; he’ll be digging deeper into The Boy in the Water podcast and the death of 3-year-old Lachie Jones, who was found in the Gore sewerage ponds. From a policing perspective, he’ll be looking closely at aspects of the case that don’t seem to fit the accepted narrative—while making it clear nothing will be speculated on without proper evidence. The boys reflect on a massive year that included powerful guests, emotional stories, laughs, live shows, and incredible listener support. They promise more conversations, more honesty, more humour, and more important voices in 2026—plus plans for another live show and a Christchurch catch-up for Kiwi cops and supporters. A quick sign-off, a Christmas cheers, and a reminder: look after yourselves, look after each other, and we’ll see you in the New Year.

This week is another heavy one. In the wake of the Bondi tragedy, we pause to pay our respects to the victims and their families, and to acknowledge the first responders and everyday civilians who ran toward danger when most people were rightly running away. We don’t pretend to have all the facts — that’s what investigations and coronial processes are for — but we do talk through what these moments feel like on the ground: the radio traffic, the confusion, the fear, the split-second decisions, and the leadership that has to cut through chaos when lives are on the line. We also unpack the reality of mass-casualty response, why armchair criticism misses the point, and why the human courage shown that day matters. It’s a respectful, honest discussion from two ex-coppers who’ve been to critical incidents — and who never forget the cost paid by victims, families, and the responders who carry it long after the scene is cleared.

In this deeply personal episode, Brett’s wife, Senior Constable Susan Forte, shares what it’s like to hear your husband’s final moments over the police radio and live through the week that followed. From the frantic drive to the scene, to sitting in the paddock as she’s told Brett is gone, to a funeral watched by thousands in blue, Susan opens a raw window into grief, love, and the reality that every cop’s family lives with – it can happen to you.

In Part Three of our In Remembrance of Brett Forte series, Cath Nielsen takes us inside the coronial inquest and the fight for truth that followed Brett’s death. Cath reveals what happens when you challenge the accepted narrative from inside the job — how asking questions can lead to isolation, retaliation, and personal attacks. She outlines the missed intelligence, cultural issues, and leadership failures exposed through the inquest, and the heavy personal toll of speaking up. We also look at what real accountability means in policing, the key reforms that were introduced after the findings, and why owning mistakes is essential if future lives are to be protected. This episode is about truth over comfort, courage over silence, and the hard path to building a better police force.

In Part Two of our In Remembrance of Brett Forte series, Cath Nielsen takes us through the immediate aftermath of the ambush — the shock, the confusion, and the heavy days that followed Brett’s death. Cath shares what it was like going home in the early hours still covered in Brett’s blood, breaking the news to her family, and feeling the weight of a community grieving beside her. She talks about the Tactical Crime Squad office becoming a safe place, the moment Brett’s mates broke down, and meeting the Fort family for the first time in the middle of heartbreak. We also explore the emotional toll of Brett’s funeral, a later pursuit that triggered her trauma, and the unspoken impact on partners, families, and frontline officers. Cath reflects on CERT’s bravery, the support of the Blue Family, and why every cop must take ownership of their mental health. This episode is about the humans behind the headlines — and the reality of surviving what no one prepares you for.

In this deeply personal and emotional first instalment of our In Remembrance of Brett Forte series, we sit down with Queensland police officer Cath Nielsen, the partner who sat beside Brett in the Tactical Crime Squad vehicle on 29 May 2017 — the day he was ambushed and killed. For the first time on the podcast, Cath takes us inside the moments leading up to the shooting, the sudden explosion of automatic gunfire, and the desperate fight for survival as 27 rounds tore into their car. She opens up about the chaos, the fear, the slow-motion clarity, and the instinctive training that kicked in as she returned fire, tried to save Brett, and fought to stay alive. But this episode isn’t just about the gunfight — it’s about the human cost. Cath talks us through the surreal hours that followed, the moment she learned Brett was gone, and what it’s like to carry survivor’s guilt, trauma, and intrusive memories long after the news crews moved on. Her courage in reliving this day isn’t for shock value — it’s for every cop, every family, and every person who needs to understand the reality behind the uniform. This is Cath’s story. This is Brett’s story. And this is Part One of our tribute to a man who dedicated his life to protecting others and paid the ultimate price.

Part 2 of our first-ever live show gets raw, real, and bloody funny. The crowd jumps in with questions—some from people looking to join the job—sparking honest advice not just from us, but from the current serving cops in the room. We cover it all: mental-health jobs that can turn in a heartbeat, the art of leadership on the frontline, and lessons from decades in blue. Add in a few wild stories—a taser mishap, a rooftop standoff solved with sausages, and the world’s worst naked arrest—and you’ve got one hell of a Q&A. Authentic, unfiltered, and full of laughs—this one’s for anyone who’s worn the badge or ever thought about it.

Our first-ever live show! We’re at the Gold Coast Tavern with a rowdy crowd, reunited with our recruit-college “Mum” Di Gallo, swapping pink-slip memories, OC “party pack” war stories, the infamous Christmas domestic, and the legendary “red button” mishap. Plus, Todd jumps up for pursuit and stinger tales, and we launch the Cartonable Offence on the bar. Real cops, real laughs, real yarns—Part 1 sets the tone. Tune in and be part of it.

After seven huge weeks with Zach Rolfe, we’re back to basics—Two Ordinary Cops, eight jobs between us, and a candid debrief on where we’ve been and what’s coming. We unpack the big takeaways on resilience from the Rolfe series, preview an unmissable new multi-part interview with Cath Nielsen and Susie Forte (Brett Forte’s partner and widow), and recap our first live show—complete with real-world Q&A for aspiring recruits (VicPol vs the NT, the truth about learning curves, and why throwing yourself in the deep end can fast-track your career). We also tee up 2026 roadshows (Dorrigo and beyond), hint at US law-enforcement guests, and share a powerful story from a 1950s QPS veteran. Big lessons, big plans—zero fluff. Tune in.

In the powerful conclusion to the Zach Rolfe series, the questions come from you — the listeners — and the answers come straight from Zach himself. No scripts, no rehearsals, just genuine, unfiltered truth. Schultzy and Damo sit down for one final deep dive where nothing’s off-limits. From leadership accountability and training shortfalls to moral courage, media bias, and what policing needs to look like going forward — Zach responds with honesty, reflection and conviction. The Two Ordinary Cops add their own frontline insight, challenging and unpacking each topic with the same openness and balance that’s driven the whole series. It’s raw, intelligent and deeply human — a conversation that peels back the layers of policing culture, examines the toll on those behind the badge, and asks the hard questions most avoid. If you’ve followed this story from the start, this is the episode that ties it all together — real questions, real answers, and the kind of authenticity rarely heard in Australian policing today.

In the final part of the coronial series, Zach Rolfe lays it all bare — the evidence, the bias, and the fallout that followed. He recounts being torn apart on the stand, the silence when hard evidence challenged the narrative, and the irony of an $11 million inquest that left victims and frontline cops worse off. Schultzy and Damo join Zach in unpacking what was really achieved, how the system failed to learn, and why calling everything “racist” helps no one. Raw, honest, and unfiltered — this is the coronial aftermath, through the eyes of those who lived it.

In this fifth instalment of the Zach Rolfe series, Schultzy and Damo sit down with Zach as he unpacks what unfolded after his Supreme Court acquittal — the return to work, the internal reviews, and the long shadow of the coronial inquest. Zach details how his private phone was accessed, the handling of his text messages, and how selective evidence shaped public perception. Through the lens of former cops who’ve lived the system, the discussion dives deep into what the coronial chose to hear — and what it didn’t. From questions of lawful process to professional reputation and media framing, this episode explores whether the search for truth was ever truly balanced.

The Two Ordinary Cops return for Part 4 of the Zac Rolfe series, diving into the tense lead-up to the Supreme Court trial and the five gruelling weeks that followed. From delayed hearings, hidden evidence, and internal charges laid just days before proceedings, to Rolfe’s decision to take the stand and the jury’s final verdict—this episode exposes the fine line between justice and agenda. It’s a raw, inside look at what really unfolded in the courtroom, how evidence was tested, and how one of the most controversial trials in Australian policing history came to a close.

In Part 3 of the Zac Rolfe series, we step into the moment everything changed—Rolfe’s arrest for murder. What followed raised difficult questions: was this an impartial investigation, or had the outcome already been decided? Rolfe recounts being directed to Darwin under the guise of “welfare,” only to face a murder charge days later, while the process itself left many wondering if justice was served fairly. From the watch house in Darwin to enforced exile in Canberra, this episode looks at the pressures, procedures, and perspectives that shaped those crucial first months. The Two Ordinary Cops believe in being impartial, so we explore these events as part of a search for the truth—one that matters not just to Zac, but to the police force and the community as a whole.

In Part 2, Zac Rolfe takes us inside the events of 9 November 2019 in Yuendumu — the night that changed his life and shook policing across Australia. From the lead-up and mounting risks, to the split-second moment when a routine arrest turned into a fight for survival, Zac recounts the stabbing, the shooting, and the desperate efforts to save Kumanjayi Walker’s life. He lays bare the reality behind the headlines: respect shown, decisions made under extreme pressure, and the fallout that saw him charged with murder. This is not the media’s version — it’s the raw, unfiltered story from the man at the centre of it all.

In this first part of our three-part conversation with former NT Police Constable Zac Rolfe, we go behind the headlines to hear his story in his own words. From a privileged yet restless upbringing in Canberra, through boxing rings and the battlefields of Afghanistan, Zac explains how chasing discomfort and growth shaped him long before Alice Springs. He opens up about the culture shock of policing in the Centre, the camaraderie (and gaps) in training, and the river rescue that almost killed him but earned him a Bravery Medal in just his first week on the job. This isn’t the story you think you know—it’s the raw beginnings of a man who would find himself at the centre of one of Australia’s most controversial policing cases.

From listener shout-outs to cartonable offences that’ll make you shake your head, Schultzy and Damo dive into the good, the bad, and the downright funny side of policing life. This one’s packed with stories from the bush, hard truths about break-ins, and a few unforgettable Q&A moments. But stick around—because right at the end, the boys drop a bombshell about a guest every cop in Australia knows. Trust us, you don’t want to miss what’s coming next.

When a call comes in for a body recovery and you’re dropped into shark-infested waters, most would tap out. Luke McCulloch dove straight in — literally. In this gripping episode, Schultzy and Damo sit down with former WA cop and police diver Luke, whose 15-year career took him from the red dirt of remote mining towns to the pitch-black depths of underwater crime scenes. From recovering a suitcase with human remains, to getting buzzed by sharks mid-dive, to navigating trauma, burnout, and the quiet toll of confronting death — Luke shares it all with raw honesty and a dry sense of humour. He opens up about the dive unit’s unofficial motto “Profundus Obscurus Sordidus” (“Deep, Dark and Dirty”), how he learned to detach from horror without losing his humanity, and why writing his book became part of his healing. If you’ve ever wondered what really goes on beneath the surface — this one goes deep.

Episode 85 – Hypervigilance, Heartbreak, and Healing, Interview with Karlie Fleming dives deep into the hidden toll of frontline policing and intelligence work. Karlie shares her powerful journey from chasing her dream of joining the police, to years spent in high-risk intel roles, through the trauma that nearly broke her, and finally the breakthrough that gave her life back. From the confronting reality of child protection and counter-terrorism to the science of nervous system dysregulation and the simple tools that can save first responders from burnout, this episode is raw, real, and packed with lessons every cop, firie, ambos — and anyone who cares about them — needs to hear.

In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the lifeline of every first responder – the radio. From the gut-wrenching moments of being outnumbered on a hostile job to the sheer relief of hearing sirens racing in for backup, they unpack the power of comms and the mateship it represents. You’ll hear raw frontline stories, a shout-out to the unsung heroes in comms, and of course a cartonable moment that’ll have you laughing out loud.